Second wave of red pill rage after self improving , changing my game and getting women now ???

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TLDR: I’ve changed and see the difference in women behavior and how they treat me better then my past blue pill version who wasn’t getting any play and it’s made me disgusted with women because Blue pill would be my dating choice if I was a woman

Recently I’ve felt like I’m going through red pill rage again . These women honestly disgust me . When I discovered the red pill it was tough to swallow but I accepted that I needed to change and improve myself . Not only for women but my life . Recently I’ve been spinning plates to great success and I can’t take these women seriously . I look back at the version of myself that wasn’t getting any play and using my logical brain I would date him over my current version if I was a woman but we all know that’s not how it works . Now I’ve pretty much turned into a misogynist asshole and treat these women pretty shitty but they always come back for more . 4 years ago when I was a blue pill I was kind , generous , humble super charming and selfless if I only had one dollar and you needed it more then me I would give it to you . I would Want this version of myself to be married to my daughter . I’m still charming but it comes from a place of manipulation and self gain . I’m nowhere as funny cause I stopped to be taken more serious. Even with all the self improvement I just honestly believe that I would prefer the old version of myself . My interactions with these women leave me with a level of rage pill rage I’ve never hit. Everything they say goes through on ear and out the other because I feel like everything they say is nonessential nonsense or lies. I’m disgusted with them honestly. I thought I would never feel red pill rage again after I started to plate women but it’s more intense this go around . The other day one of my plates was telling me how much she loves me and being emotional when I didn’t want to commit and I never done anything for this woman to feel like she loves me and needs me. I’ve never treated her better then a booty call but now I’m the love of her life. Has anyone Else went through this . How did you get through this ? The first red pill rage self improvement was my focus but I don’t know where to go from here the 2nd wave .

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Title Second wave of red pill rage after self improving , changing my game and getting women now ???
Author throawayqiestion
Upvotes 143
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Date 01 December 2019 01:27 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]2SirKolbath138 points139 points  (5 children) | Copy

Anger phase is a nice place to visit, but you don't want to live there. The rent is too expensive and the taxes are exorbitant.

Take the pictures, do some sightseeing, and get out of there.

[–]abomba2416 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good reminder that the phases are cyclical

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

rent, taxes


[–]topmatrixgun2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can you please elaborate? Thank you in advance

[–]theredsperg17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

he's talking philosophical shit. being angry serves literally no purpose

[–]linkofinsanity1948 points49 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don't commit to these women and just enjoy them. There is a difference between women with potential, and women with problems. Women with problems make great plates, women with potential might make great LTRs. Enjoy them for what they are and if you ever need to remind yourself why you came to TRP, treat them the way you used to.

[–]thesoloronin0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

THIS! If I could give you a silver I would. Here. The poverty-stricken version is all I could ever. 🥈

[–]linkofinsanity190 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What is a silver?

[–]jailbreaker0100 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Reddit silver is what he's talking about.

[–]linkofinsanity190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think I saw something mentioned about gold once but didn't really ever learn any more about it. I have no idea what any of that is. Cursory Googling tells me I wouldn't personally benefit too much from the silver, gold, or platinum anyway. I'm mostly just here for TRP and it's related subs.

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[–]iwviw9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s good though cuz who wants to deal with a woman like that anyway

[–]WildCock307 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

First time I let a tear roll down my cheek after her constant crying/breakdown, a gf of 9 months broke up with me the next day...shit is absolutely wild

[–]systemshock8698 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"She swore that she would be all mine and love me till the end, but when I whispered in her ear I lost another friend"

-Led Zeppelin, 1969

These hoes have never been loyal.

[–]Snowaey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What? That's TRP basics dude, if you break frame, she starts controlling the relationship..

You're definitely not alone lmao

[–]2SirKolbath4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women use tears the way ISIS used knives.

[–]Flintblood11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Brah. I purposely try to act blue pill to create distance when I feel I need some space, yet I don’t really do it effectively anymore, because I’ve just about conditioned myself not to act like too much of a blue pill. There is no way now that I can even remotely act as blue pill essay naturally lived the blue pill life 2 years ago.. That said I have been able to put on the blue pill act just to get some space with a particular girl. If I feel like she wants to much of my time, I put on the BP act and I magically create some distance.

[–]Velebit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Change the quality of people you hang out with, get good at noticing signs of strong standup character and not ease of having fun. Also if the image you nurture about yourself is being a badass and you slip you not only look like a fake person but also weak for not being able to keep doing it.

If the women are dancers/bartenders/airplane bartenders/assistant cooks/street cleaners/retail sellers etc they are clearly not very strong in their head especially if they do 'normal' things like party every weekend and use mental state altering substances.

[–]SerialATA_Killer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This may be an odd question, but what do you mean treated them like shit? Could you relay me some examples?

[–]Flintblood29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

The way I accept is that I now see that women’s sexual validation needs and wants overlap the higher value redpill men’s desires a lot. Now that you’ve raised your SMV, don’t you have higher standards? Don’t you want to optimize your gains in options? Well that’s what higher value women want to. Yeah sure, the occasional unicorn may want to settle down with any regular guy, but most women want to maximize their returns. So do we. We’re not so different in that regard.

I get mine now and enjoy the moments and keep things in rotation without ‘having the talk’. Sometimes I feel like I’ve had enough or want some space. In those times I really want to go back into Monkmode to solely focus on work and mission and wealth building. Yet I have a last little trace of scarcity mindset holding me back; the potential regret of losing the female orbiters I have now. I feel like I have to at least message them once a week and don’t go too much more than that without hooking up in person.

Focus more on enjoying their company and having fun. Don’t fault certain women for looking for options like you do. She is yours while she is physically with you. Be in command of those times and don’t even bother thinking about what she’s doing at other times.

[–]Greaterbird25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy

Every time I improve my surface appearance, it disgusts me how shallow the world it. The sad part is now I'm getting to be more shallow too.

[–]muricanwerewolf116 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've always been shallow with my dating choices, my mistake was thinking the world owed me a woman less shallow than myself.

[–]Greaterbird14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not even just dating. I'm more muscular now and arguably a worse and more selfish person, but people are more friendly and I get IOIs now where I didn't before. Used to be weird, now I'm "eccentric." The halo effect is disappointingly real.

[–]PayneGreyWolf18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck these hoes to sleep and keep it pushing chief

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[–]RyanLikesyoface12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Been there, done it all. Trust me, the women you're seeing are just damaged, they like abusive assholes and that's all they like. There are healthier women out there that will appreciate someone who doesn't let them walk all over him but also isn't an asshole, but you're not going to find them if you keep acting like this. That's one way in which the red pill mindset is harmful, even though I agree with most of it. Red pill encourages behaviour that only attracts damaged women into your life.

[–]mortalcoil122 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am so tired of these anger posts. Women like what they like. Men like what they like. Why are guys so angry that women are attracted to arrogance? I think it's a nice guy fallacy.

Put yourself in a woman's shoes. Imagine getting hit on every hour of every day of your life. Think about how many guys are "nice" to them, but they aren't actually being nice, what they are doing is trying to set up a nonverbal contract. Nice guys are nonverbally saying, if I am nice to you, I get to have sex with you, and why wouldn't nice guys believe this? Almost every movie and TV show tells them this.

Aside: We also get angry at women for the Disney Princess fantasy, yet how many blue pill men are stuck in the Disney Prince fantasy.

Imagine, if you were a guy who was hit on every hour of every day of your life. Imagine if every hour of every day a girl was super nice to you with the nonverbal reasoning being, "If I am nice to this guy, he will marry me." Imagine that happening to you every hour of every day? Would you start hating "nice girls?" Would you know all of their nice tricks? All to get you to marry them? This is what nice guys are doing, every hour of every day. They are being nice in hopes of getting sex.

Until you can imagine getting hit on every hour of every day of your youth, yes, you might be angry, but if you try to understand why they do what they do, it makes complete sense.

"The other day one of my plates was telling me how much she loves me and being emotional when I didn’t want to commit and I never done anything for this woman to feel like she loves me and needs me."

This is a girl trying to be nice to you in hopes that you will get in a relationship with her. Nice guys do this every hour of every day to girls. You feel anger towards this girl. Imagine how much anger girls feel towards nice guys.

So, you might ask fine, they don't like "nice guys," why do they like assholes? and to that I answer, women don't like assholes. Okay, fine maybe some highschool girls and young college girls and women who were abused actually like assholes, but the vast majority of women don't like assholes. The vast majority of women like the benefits of being with an asshole. An asshole will protect them. An asshole will take charge. An asshole will demand what is his. An asshole is exciting. An asshole is a fantasy, and that whole asshole part, well surely they will be able to change that bad boy, but of course, we know the second they do, dead bedroom.

How do you get over your rage? Understand that rage is a useless thing to have in this regard. The world is the world. Women like what they like. Women generally act in a way that they believe is most favorable to them, including nice girls who think if they are nice to a guy he will get in a relationship with her. Men generally act in a way that they believe is most favorable to them, including nice guys who think they can be nice in order to have sex with a woman, and honestly, sometimes that actually works. Nice guys do get laid on occasion, including funny guys who think they can be funny in order to have sex with a woman, and plenty of times that works with a woman. People generally do what is best for themselves. You can't expect anybody to do anything other than that, and getting angry at people for doing things that they believe will benefit them is a fool's game.

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[–]LexFrota3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll just add to what he said " women like what they like and men like what they like". It's just as it is, it's the same as if a girl was angry because men like beautiful women. Why don't you like the ugly really nice girl that likes the same things you do? Dont you feel disgusted by how an asshole you are for not going out with her? Thats just how we're wired.

[–]Diche_Bach18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sounds like your moving on to gay stage?

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[–]Diche_Bach6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Definitely nothing wrong with being Gay. Alexander the Great was as Bisexual as the day is long and he was a serious fucking bad ass. More bad ass than then 99% of the rest of humanity to ever exist all wrapped into one. Despite any bisexual drives, I honestly don't think I could handle it, whether that is by force of habit or whatever. I've done a lot of research (anthropometry) on men, which means I've got up close to and touched (with calipers and tapes and stuff) lots of men. Some of who were quite young studly men. They almost all "smelled funny" to me; some of them smelled downright disgusting, despite being perfectly clean smelling. The idea of rolling over in the morning to a big hairy bulky chest thing in my face. Some guys might get a boner to that but to me it would be like rolling over into a bad LSD trip. This is where I think some of the rhetoric on "Red Pill" gets a bit silly. Females are fucking tasty; it doesn't really matter if any given female is loathsome from a character standpoint or an ethical or merit standpoint. She may well be hot as fuck, with a deeply enriching smell, taste and look. Now, we are all different. I've been able to get past having very little respect for a female as a person in order to savor her physically plenty of times with plenty of individuals and then bring things to a nice neat closure without too much drama or despair. I've also been beguiled by their feminine wiles and found myself a source of drama and despair plenty of times. And then finally, after years and scores of disappointment, I found the one: a sold 8 (probably 8.5 in her hey day) who I ALSO deeply respect as a person. Whatever most of these guys mean by "red pill" I'm quite sure I've been there done that, as had many men of my generation (Silent Generation); it was arguably the norm back then and we didn't make any big deal about it. But we ALSO stuck with the veneer of chivalry and being gentlemen and it was just as fun or perhaps more fun than being outwardly misogynist assholes.

[–]fignootins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Less evidence he existed than that Jesus did fyi

[–]PiperBigBell3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women responding to the new you is a painful confirmation of how inferior and bitch made the previous you was. Thus the second red pill rage. It hurts to have your identity exposed like that.

[–]WIA20XX6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess you might have to find meaning in life other than between a woman's legs.

[–]Zero-Milk2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blue pill dotes on women. Blue pill caters to their every need. Blue pill agrees and never challenges them. Blue pill goes along to get along, changing himself to meet her needs. Blue pill is the reflection of whatever she needs. Blue pill is boring and uninspired. Blue pill is a pussy.

Now flip the script. You're the woman. You said blue pill would be your dating choice. You sure about that? I'd be willing to bet anything that you'd be so bored that you'd be dying for a more interesting and challenging partner the moment the honeymoon period ended. Women want men, plain and simple, and lucky for us, being a man really isn't all that complicated. All we have to do is learn to take the path less travelled; the hard roads which lead to growth and development. This is what allows us to be leaders of our households and our communities. Being redpilled doesn't mean you've got to be an asshole. It just means you've got to learn how to be a fuckin man.

So don't rage, my friend. Instead, celebrate your own growth, accept that the "good guy" mentality (as great as it sounds on paper) is bullshit, and know that you've graduated to the next stage of learning.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hmmmm. Ok, so you're mad at women for responding to your game. Is it making you feel shit that you're having to behave the way you do?

Explain your game a little more, and what being an 'asshole' means in this context.

[–]Noitrasama2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was a blue pill I was kind , generous , humble super charming and selfless if I only had one dollar and you needed it more then me I would give it to you .

Fuck, i was you man. Just like this. Now, even to family, i come first b4 anyone else. Havent started spinning plates to the level i would like yet.. but yeah, i've got some. Keep going...

[–]mikkeldaman5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am asking myself these days whether the Red Pill and associated subs have been filled by sociopaths or wannabe sociopaths (because apparently some people do take pride in that shit for some reason).

Anyway... appreciate women for what they are. Women are different from men. The problem with blue pilled guys is that they treat women as they'd like to be treated. But in reality they respond to different stimuli. You've heard the whole evolutionary stuff yadda yadda so I'm not going to delve on that. Instead I'm going to tell you: love women for what they are (with their quirks and stupid bullshit) and never bother to understand how they think.

[–]iwviw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For a women to like a blue pilled man is a woman liking a man who is her bitch. Usually a guy who is your bitch might be a good dad or provider but won’t necessarily turn you on

[–]Autistic_Reeeeeeeeee1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The truth is it never goes away.

I truly do envy the blissfully ignorant.

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[–]Autistic_Reeeeeeeeee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My advice is to do it anyway. At times you will resent women. But for the most part if you can find a somewhat decent one it makes all the difference.

In all honesty I would sacrifice physical attraction for a reliable personality in women when picking a partner.

I am just lucky I met mine young and we grew up together. That way your on the same team for most of your life. But things can change rapidly.

[–]1Opperkech691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blue pill would be my dating choice if I was a woman

You can't know that. You've never been a woman and never been on the other side.

[–]brinkleybuzz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You act Red Pill but still think Blue Pill.

Your Blue Pill mindset is disgusted by the fact that women don't act the way they're supposed to based on Blue Pill idealization of women.

You're like the guy who's appalled that his precious, idealized snowflake told you she wants to wait for Mr. Right but would blow Chad in his SUV without hesitation, except now you're the one getting his knob slobbed and you're experiencing this first hand.

To be truly Red Pill you have to accept and embrace the true nature of female sexuality. They have a hard wired need to mate with high value, dominant men and it's your imperative to give them what they need.

[–]user201806200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you look back over the last 4 years... Your transformation from blue to red... Can you identify the sections and the break points?

E.g. 12 months of lifting and anxious cold approaches ... Turning point when you got your first ONS Then opening got easier, and your body fat was down to 15%

Etc etc.... I'm curious about the stages you when through, and particularly the mental changes... E.g. blue pill responds to his gf crying about finding him texting other girls with consolation and placation. Vs red pilled guy let's her cry, doesn't apologize, and just waits for her to calm down.... Before emailing a move for sex, and making the sex brutal.


I think your timeline could be very instructive.


[–]Altin_Beg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In the first wave for me rn so I feel you

[–]theredsperg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't become such a sperg you hurt people's feelings.

that's all that matters mate.

other than that, get angry as you like. it does no positive

[–]SheriffBart420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You get angry when your expectations aren't met. Why do you still have expectations for these hoes?

[–]_Ulan_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Anger gets you blind, you will eventually notice that you are just expecting too much from average people.

[–]Gooldbergg0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

TBH I think a lot of bluepilled guys could get play, but they just don't know how. Its not that they were repellent to women, they just don't know what signs to look for, and couldn't capitalize even if they saw the signs. Theres a good chances there were girls crushing on BP you, it shocked me later in life to learn that this girl I kind of liked in HS crushed on me

[–]Velebit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, my redpill disgust (not rage) was when I got into shape and not that much women but way more men started to suddenly take me much more seriously, laugh at my jokes, stop talking when I talked to someone else (giving me priority basically), try to hang out and include or invite me at things.

I was not even that surprised at women because I was always a decent looking guy and got catcalled by women a few times etc so their change was less but the behavior of men was actually way more disgusting then women.

It is just a fact that humans are pathetic superficial dumb and irrational animals.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Study evolutionary psychology and biology to understand how mating really works. We're evolved as a society but our brains are mostly still the same as they were in the cavemen days. A woman, biologically, needs a strong man that will kill to feed and protect herself and her offspring. The "asshole" behavior is how you signal that these days. It's very powerful because you appeal to her animal side.

Over time, you can calibrate the asshole behavior to being a good dude with strong boundaries that doesn't take shit from women but cares for them and loves them. Then you get the best of both worlds and the quality of women you attract will also skyrocket.

[–]Zombiespire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Remember dude. What the red pill truly is, is not just truth, but the regain of control, over life, over circumstance, over the sexual market, over everything. It's not negativity, not necessarily. It's not just sexism, racism, and a narcissistic philosophy, what it is above all else is control. The choice a man has in this world is the choice to be a good person or a bad person, to be good, or to be evil. The question of morality is something that men have wrestled with for thousands of years. But a man cannot be a good or an evil person if he himself does not have the agency to make those decisions. If he cannot make decisions for himself as he encounters them throughout life, he is not a man, but a slave, an NPC. That is what the bluepill is. It is letting (((them))) make all of the decisions for you, and if you are unhappy with any of those decisions you are a bigot/sexist/racist/homophobe or whatever else there is.

The redpill is the return of agency to a man. When I read your post, it sounds like you have that now. Women do not have power over you now, the world no longer has power over you now. Now you truly have the decision, do you want to make good choices? Or evil choices? And I am not judging at all, because it as they say "the sexual market is amoral." Which really means "right and wrong is now for you to decide." Now in my opinion, a sense of control is not something we should abuse, we should not, as women have, use everyone else as expense to our pleasure and happiness. We should prove our worth as the dominant and just sex by acting in true moral character. Joshua Pellicer said that whether you just take a girl as a sexual object FWB, a short term girlfriend, a LTR that just didn't workout, or perhaps the worst scenario a broken marriage, you should leave the girl better than you found her, so that she is still a good woman for the man that inherits her. Remember that dickhead fuckboys in college or wherever that take the virginities of good girls, then abuse them, or just use them in general most often emotionally and sexually damage them for life. And women that were potential unicorns are now just thots riding the cock carousal until they become cat ladies. If we as men are the actor that causes that, we should do whatever we can to prevent that, unless it comes at our unreasonable expense.

Point I am getting at. You have control over your life now, relish in it, be proud of it. But don't start wreaking havoc like the women you hate do. Use your control to uplift everyone, yourself and others. If you have to next a girl, do so gracefully and minimize damage (context dependent of course). Do not become to despise women because they do not meet the standard of men. They are not meant to, which is why they shouldn't be allowed to have the same powers and rights men do. Instead understand their shortcomings as being natural to their biology, and also understand they are quite literally designed to complement and support you, as you are designed to complement and support them. Society falls apart because we forget that nature, especially human nature, does not become influenced by culture, ideology, or government. Man will always be chained by reality. But the true choice is whether to adapt to reality, or to deny and rage against it. Do no forget how much power you now have, now that you again have the power of choice.

[–]IXseed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it’s made me disgusted with women because Blue pill would be my dating choice if I was a woman

Stop. Stop doing that.

You're using your male mind to try and understand a female mind. They're wired differently. Just remember that. There's nothing you can do. Nature designed things to be this way.

[–]TheWalkingNightmare-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

How did you go from blue pilled to red pilled? What changes did you make? Please. People treat me like a doormat.

[–]flipdoggers2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Read the sidebar

[–]TheWalkingNightmare1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks. Does it contain sufficient information?

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[–]TheWalkingNightmare0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you.

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