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by blackdowney on /r/TheRedPill
01 December 2019 11:53 AM UTC
| Title | Kiss on Oprah discussing RedPill theory on an audience full of women |
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| Author | blackdowney |
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| Comments | 132 |
| Date | 01 December 2019 11:53 AM UTC (4 months ago) |
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Their frame and level of confidence blows my mind.
That's what you get if you fuck 30 girls a week for a few years. Can't say I'm surprised.
I do think it's pityful that some men resent people like this for what they do.
I wanna do this but I'm afraid I'd get an std lol
If you ever figure out the logistics of fucking 30 girls even a quarter year, please make a post on how.
Rockstars just have the right schedules to do it and can literally do that pornstar fantasy of going up to women, saying "let's go fuck" and the women says yes. It's just a world none of us will ever know unless we too became famous rockstars.
I forget which singer it was on Opie & Anthony who was discussing this, but they basically explained how you can just mix in with the crowd at a festival and get recognised, chat to a girl, and take her back to your trailer to fuck all within about 10-20 minutes. This singer said he once had a contest with another frontman and his personal record was 6 girls in one day before they went onstage that night.
Rockstars just have the perfect set up to do all this. They have godlike recognition among their fans, light working schedules when they're on tour, lots of time to kill, access to large groups of people who are all there to see them, and their work makes women wet. It's probably the #1 lifestyle to rack up your N-count other than being a Medieval Mongolian warlord.
So you're saying there's hope for the rest of us.
They have to be recognisable parts of the band. And then even, it depends on genre and all that. I have friends who hang with big rockstars of certain genres and they don’t get any attention or recognition.
Rap stars these days are more like the rock stars of the past.
Sure, and before rock stars it was jazz stars. Same for DJ's. The same idea applies.
To really speak the truth, Justin Bieber can do the same. Once you reach that status, it’s just a matter of asking.
He did. He is openly a sex addict and was getting filmed but sluts he had brought home several times. Kid was caught in brothels like twice lol
I mean, okay... but there's no actionable info here.
Become a rockstar. Or a warlord.
Don't be silly, wrap your willy
I only resent Kiss because their music sucked after about 1978.
men like them are the reason why the civilization is in the pitiful state it is. there is nothing to glorify about fucking groupies, both are pathetic
Do you mean groupies are fucking pathetic, or that the act of fucking groupies is pathetic?
both are pathetic. rock bands with artificial "value" inflated by media propaganda are but a symptom of degeneracy. there is nothing impressive about fucking a bunch of dumb women who throw themselves at you because they hope you get them pregnant so that they can milk you.
Yeah they are a brilliant example of “fake alpha” who trick the female instinct for alpha.
I remember watching this when it originally aired. Some people get very, very angry at men leading a RP lifestyle. I wonder what Senator's wife Gene hooked up with.
This is the redpill confirmed by women on mainstream T.V. Bless the 80's.
Boy I can't wait until we finally have time machines
Gray's Sports Almanac, baby!
I miss Frank Zappa, it was a cool bonus to see him at the end.
Actually a chick I broke up with wrote me an email once saying how if someone brings up zappa she changes the subject now. lol
Because I liked him a lot and it reminded her of me
"I wanted to get intimate with the creativity"
Hamstering at it's finest
Oprah called her out on it too.
Big kiss fan here. Gene is an unlikable asshole but you have to respect his unwavering self confidence. When he speaks about women you can feel the truth reasonate, you can tell he is passionate about his point of view. He knows what he’s talking about here.
Gene is an asshole.
Gene gets laid like tile.
He's exceptional at what he does.
Gene doesn't give a fuck.
Be like Gene.
That’s the funny thing about gene, he truly is a screaming asshole but you can’t help but respect this joo nerd who figured out what he wanted and became excellent at getting it.
How is he an unlikeable asshole? Because he's extremely successful, rich, has a woman that lives in his house who raised his kids while he runs around and acts the alpha having affairs with fans, and is thus living every male wish-fulfillment dream, and getting away with it?
I mean, I was at an absolute nadir in my life, but I wasn't going to make the mistake of hating on the dude. If anything, I learned from him, lol.
I’m not downplaying his material successes. However he is a greedy condescending prick, which is not required for success.
He "acts" like a "condescending prick" in public, during interviews.
But why?
To generate controversy, create publicity, and generate sales.
Of course.
But maybe he's also trying to communicate something.
I'm listening to an interview right now, with a woman, and he DOES sound like an asshole... BUT, my ideas of what an asshole sound like are shaped by a gynocentric education system. I was raised by women. You NEVER talk like that to women, lol.
So, he's breaking a bunch of soft social taboos publicly to make a point to his male audience: if you are rich, you can say whatever you want without consequence, because nobody can take away your money which you use to buy food. If you are rich, women will want to have sex with you because you are rich. Women throw themselves at rich men. Etc. etc. He's being very blunt in his speech, and saying things how he sees them. The female interviewer, who is pretending to be neutral, actually starts the interview off in a hostile manner, and almost every single one of her questions has a passive-aggressive hostile undercurrent. But it's less obvious, so people are less likely to characterize HER as the asshole.
It's the same thing with Trump. Everyone says he's an asshole but I don't take offense to how he talks. Plain speaking is the natural result of living the way you want to live, like an alpha. I think people are just too soft these days. It's the gynocentric "politically-correct" soft mindset that causes everyone to get butthurt and take offense where none really exists.
Time to bring out that video from a couple days ago of a couple THOTS saying Tump could literally piss or shit on them and they'd still support him. Money and power...
A person's character doesn't matter. Focus on their results. If you don't like them, then just stay away.
Just listen to his music, or don't.
"When we started to strum guitars, it was to fuck women, and there daughters too."
This is the level of shameless frame I aspire too.
" it's long enough to make you my very closest friend"
Gonna use it
Couple things:
Excellent interview.
Every girl who fucked their rockstar hero considers the fuck the highlight of her life. Wouldn't you if you hooked up with your celebrity lay?
Note how the men are extremely non-judgemental. It is the women who are doing the slut-shaming. Men who slut-shame single women are morons.
These guys are extraordinarily lucky they didn't catch AIDS as this was the beginning of the epidemic in America.
Eh, I remember when I was a young lad, and I would occasionally have an obsession about a screen starlet... but then I would get over it, because they were just another woman, and there were hot women all around me, and I also realized I wasn't really in love with the starlet, but the combination of her and the character she was playing.
That's the little con trick Hollywood pulls:
A bunch of writers create an archetypal character with all the desirable virtues, and then the director finagles the attractive youthful starlet into aping the signals of the archetype, and then the gullible audience falls for it. It's all fake. The starlet is usually a bimbo, although a small handful of them are impressive human specimens in multiple categories, but still nowhere near the goddess ideal.
All good comments, except the AIDs part. The chance of getting AIDSs from one round of sex from an INFECTED woman (HIV) is about 1 in 500. That statistic used to be on the National Inst. of Health website, but they removed it as it didn't fit the narrative of AIDS is bad for straight people. It's highly unlikely as a straight male you will acquire HIV from a straight sexual encounter.
These guys were high out of their minds and banging 50 girls a week. Economically speaking, that HIV risk may be low on a per instance basis, but when you multiply the nominal risk (1/500 for an infected woman) with their high frequency of hookups, the real risk of HIV infection grows substantially.
And that doesn't even take into account the effects of group sex and drug use.
I don’t believe Gene (and Paul?) ever did drugs. So that’s one thing for them not to worry about.
Let's assume that 2% of women were infected, it would be 1/25000 chance of getting infected. They would need to fuck 25000 women on average to get infected. The main source of AIDs infection is the drugs, the second closest would be homosexual sex between men. Traditional sex is the least likely way to get infected even if you aren't using condoms and fuck every girl you see.
They were doing chicks. They weren't taking it in the pooper.
Oh my sweet summer child.
HIV doesn't and didn't discriminate, as Magic Johnson, John Holmes, and many others discovered.
ACTUALLY it does! It's like the black people HS diploma of STDs, well LOL CDC graph! Haha thanks for reminding me!
https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/6089-14-figure-2-update.png
hahahahhahahahaha
Factually correct statement that's misleading. Pointing this out makes me racist, so what? Numbers are racist.
This stat is right because most of the HIV infected are people of the low social-economic status who do drugs and unprotected sex with random people. And being of low social-economic status and/or drug addict is much more common among the black population. It isn't like black people are more vulnerable to HIV.
I like how "Former groupie" said that she wanted relationship with every single one of them, but was ok with just one night stands.
I guess she's not getting picked to go on a bus with celebrities anymore, and settles with
$50$5 blowjobs at local bar, while still dreaming about relationship with one of her clients.I can't really hate on her. She was following the best strategy that she could at the time.
Women don't want to win they want a winner
She's going to have a bad time with some regular guy after she's been with all these dudes
As a man if you're used to banging Victoria's secret models could you get used to banging fours fives and sixes again?
Actually I got a song for it glad the other poster above mentioned zappa
https://youtu.be/I8YzI6MhPdw
Lol, i knew it would be crew slut!
Source: i ams musicians
She wanted to be "close" to the creativity.
Lol.
why'd you think she wrote the book?
She is actually happy and made it into career, fuck she got booked on OPRAH, she WON!
She monetized this shit, holy fuck compared to the jealous one it's night and day. You could tell from the body language where it was going to go.
Awesome.
At 4:47 that girl licks her lips like she's imagining being one of those ONS girls.
These days there is no way women would answer questions that way.
One thing that wasn’t RP about this was their willingness to speak openly about the truth of it. It seems that In the 80’s they could semi get away with it despite Oprah’s jabs, but the crowd and media could turn on music artists for that kind of rhetoric today.
That's because the 1980s preceeded "political correctness".
Gene could get away with it today too. An up and coming artist couldn’t, but Gene has money from multiple sources, he’s still immune to consequences. Also try #MeToo on Gene, when it’s obvious rape would be too much effort for him to get laid.
https://imgur.com/a/wcftMFe
The real alpha of the video, watch and learn ,betas!
Damn, we might as well all go blackpill if that's the competition
We never stood a chance. Dude is the Genghis Kahn of the 80s.
Gene Simmons is 99.9% Redpill.
Did anyone ever see Gene Simmons' Family Jewels? I was going through a shitty period in my life, where I watched a lot of TV, but I remember being struck at how well his life was going, and how he seemed to have everything figured out, and how self-assured he seemed. He gave ZERO fucks about what people thought about his life-style choices.
He was with Shannon Tweed for 28 years before finally marrying her after she helped him raise two children, who seemed very mature, self-aware, and intelligent. That was 28 years of her not being married to him, yet living as his wife. He seemed completely unapologetic about it too. As if it wasn't something one should question him about. He's insanely wealthy, constantly running around doing business deals, enjoying every aspect of his life.
I think he finally married Shannon Tweed legally, as a reward for her years of loyal service, and because he realizes that he could die and if she outlives him, her fate is up in the air potentially, and his children are full-grown adults, and that it was probably harming him socially where people were probably constantly badgering him with, "Why don't you make Shannon your wife already, for crying out loud???"
Of course, it's all TV, so you knows what's really going on, but he was a successful businessman for years, and you can't argue with success.
He was the opposite of what was being shown on TV at the time, weak, degenerate men who pander to and cater to their spoiled wives who don't appreciate him.
He did a morale appearance for the military once. A woman in the audience asked how many women he's slept with in front of a ton of other soldiers, including superiors. He walked up to her, whispered in her ear, and she gasped.
The best part is that Gene Simmons is basically using Oprah's TV show as a platform to advertise his sexual prowess.
He's selling a product: his dick.
And he built a fuckin empire to do it.
Like that other guy in the thread said: peak apex jew!
Yeah, but he's not really a Jew, he's a self-interested, materialist, hedonist agnostic. It's like saying the Bush family is Christian, or the Saudis are Muslims. They just use those labels as protective coloration so they can have some fictive kinship.
Being a Jew, meaning an observant Jew, is a full-time job.
Simmons is savage to women but worse for men. "Women want to be with somebody that is not a plumber or a dentist" Ouch! TRP cut both ways.
We are so incredibly fucked.
No, I'm not envisioning a revolt of the plumbers and dentists lol. Rather, a disappearance. And that void gets filled. There are much worse things than boring.
https://youtu.be/qNxuL-uIaTo
This interview he did with Terry Gross was hilarious too.
She didn't know what to do.
That was amazing.. Then I scrolled down to the comments.. ugh. Everybody there is completely delusional.
Plus you got to realize what type of a person Terry Gross is and where she's coming from. She was like a 7th grade teacher that couldn't cut it so she wanted to journalism. Apparently the kids were just running all over her.
But she always moralizes against her guests and kind of expects them to get in line with her own sense of right and wrong.
I remember she was interviewing a guy that had been on the sopranos and he actually had had real mob connections and he talked about how he used to fence meat to restaurants in New York. She started questioning him, she was aghast that he was someone of the moral turpitude to do something like that. And I remember another time she was interviewing one of the old school hip-hop moguls Maybe Russell Simmons can't remember exactly. But she got on his case about the fact that in his music women are called bitches and I was actually listening with my ex-wife at the time, and she saw right through the bullshit. My ex was Japanese and she summed it up as the case of there's this entire culture here that is struggling to get out of poverty and get their shit together and along comes this rich white bitch and the only thing that she can point out is something that irritates her because of her own personal agenda-- wymynz rights.
I mean it's an NPR crowd what do you expect?
perfect example of status over looks and game. seriously, these guys are ugly AF (even by 80s standards) and pretty shitty at game... lots of overt communication that would crush any guy's chances if they weren't some of the biggest rock stars of all time.
Status being equal, Looks always wins. Look at this picture of Alain Delon vs Mick Jagger, btw that's Jagger's girlfriend:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn0Q2gdX0AEI-Oe.jpg
sure, but looks are so far down the line after status. you're talking about top 0.1% of status, on par with billionaires. these guys are objectively much better looking than the guys from kiss. in all cases, they were fucking the shit out of groupies every night and not even helping them get home after driving hundreds of miles. all of them. it's why you have fatass ugly tech nerds who are rich as fuck pulling 10s without even trying. women seek them out. in contrast, the guy who is just hot is relegated to the hottest women in his vicinity. it's why a mediocre looking guy at a vip table can pull better than a better looking guy on the floor.
Yep, this is the problem with TRP "alpha male". The only alpha males in the real world are rock musicians, movie actors, famous athletes, billionaires. Since we are not, the distinction alpha-beta is misleading. We are all "beta" and there is nothing superior about "alpha".
The romance world is divided between real men and young men. Young men are clumsy in their mating dance and called "creeps" by women. Real men are much older, around 50, virile and strong and self-controlled, worldly. Real men know that when the games start the relationship ends and women know that too, so they control their dominance games. Young men are easily strung along and played for suckers, always hoping to "get lucky".
One interviewee said "practice makes perfect" and that is true. The real man has lots of practice. One the other hand, the idea someone becomes a rock star in order to get lot of girls in nonsense. Sure, lots dream of becoming rock stars and getting girls but few make it, you need something called "talent".
So-called alpha males are surrounded by groupies. The concept of "groupie" is important. I believe women fantasize about being a groupie, which is as ridiculous a fantasy as a man dreaming of being a super hero. We see a man surrounded by adoring young ladies and wish we could be surrounded by adoring young ladies too but it won't happen, not to us nor the ladies, the whole thing is a delusion.
I've said it before and will say it again.
Gene Simmons - Apex Jew
This is bang on the more and more I am now learning about Gene haha fascinating!
Hilarious story about Gene Simmons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbBX5vsFEsI
This was funny as fuck. His Gene Simmons impression is so accurate.
Hypergamy on full display. Gene nails it when he says "a guy who isn't a plumber". Women are biologically obsessed with high status males. They cannot override that instinct. All pick up artist techniques exploit this.
Gene errs. Women are hot for plumbers and tow truck drivers and construction workers because they are "real men".
While I agree with most of TRP I disagree with hypergamy. Women are notoriously poor at choosing men because women operate romantically purely on instinct. A woman will leave her millionaire software engineer boyfriend because he is "weak" i.e. shy and "needy" i.e. committed, a man who is faithful and loving and supportive, and run off with a junky musician and in a year wind up in a battered women's shelter with needle tracks up her arm and if you ask her why, she'll say she does not know.
Furthermore a woman declines romantically with age, she cannot trade up. Women can play around when they are young but then it's over.
"high status males" = one night stands and life as a groupie? You must be kidding. Real men have bitter things to do than chase skirts. "The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men" indeed, but in the real world a positive identity for men can be found elsewhere than a between a woman's legs. Take up hang gliding for example.
...alpha fucks and beta bucks. Once a woman has maximized her divorce bail out, the beta buck no longer serves a purpose.
> "high status males"
Women determine what they consider to be high status males. Their preference is the result of what worked in the Stone Age, not what necessarily works today. Cave girls want cave men, and cave men get shot by the police today. There is no reason to respect the bad boy that gives women tingles. There is reason to emulate him in specific situations to hack her hypergamy.
> Real men have bitter things to do than chase skirts.
Agreed, but those things aren't mutually exclusive with chasing skirts. It's all about balance. You don't want to wake up some day on your deathbed regretting spending your entire life maximizing your potential only to realize that you forgot to enjoy life. That's as bad as spending all your time chasing skirts. Be balanced in all things like the big guy said.
The "Real Man" you talk about is not concerned by what you think he should be doing.
Imagine saying this shit at an interview now.. People would lose their minds.
Yep, thanks to you and to others for pointing this out. Times have changed. In those days, women considered it weak and old-fashioned to go whining over what some guy said or how he looked at you funny and made you uncomfortable 20 years ago and how that traumatized you for life. Instead, women showed strength by standing up straight, looking a man in the eye, and talking dirty because she had an education and career and was "equal". Now women want it any way they like, hypocrisy be damned. Financial, career, education freedom with sexual dominance and legal compensation for weakness in the name of "equality".
An example: in those days, a phrase like "watch your language, there is a woman present" would be laughable Victorian prudery but today it's true again, men have to watch their language and behavior in the presence of women lest they be offended.
I can't even begin to fathom what would happen to such an individual.
There is also a part 2, 3, and 4
Fucking freakshows show women have literally no self respect.
Guy just know what he wants,nothing wrong with that.it doesnt mean you should want what he wants.I dont have desire to sleep with 1000 women really.
Why? What's wrong with you?
Gene Simmons is a minor god.
Nahhh .... is just a great salesman.
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Wait, you think two guys named Chaim Witz and Stanley Eisen are propped up by Zionists? How ever could that be?!?
How do you think it works with Jews? Do you think there's some Jew club for controlling the whole world that they all know about but nobody talks about? I'm mostly Irish. It's the same paranoid talk that I hear whenever people talk about rich white people like there's some rich white people club or there's some Irish club or there's some Italian club. Yeah sure the Jews take care of their own just like any other group but that's it. My best buddy is Israeli. His family led the Soviet Union when it fell so they were refugees to Israel then he came to the United States in his early 20s. He's red-pilled as hell and he's a savage businessman and a great and loyal friend. they're really smart people They value family They value education They value hard work They value being smart with money therefore they get ahead and the haters of the world rack it up to some conspiracy.
Well guess what? Everywhere they go losers like you come out of the woodwork, people that don't have a life and don't have their shit together and somehow rack it up to a conspiracy that's against them by people that are too complex for them to understand. So eventually people like you want to kill them so they've got to have some level of protection and paranoia so they keep to themselves. They keep business with other Jews and they're slower to let you into their inner circle but I promise you when they do they are amazing people
People don't do class analysis anymore. They can't distinguish between the wealthy, powerful, but ultimately agnostics at the apex of any given ethnic group, and the vast majority of the rank and file. There are, in fact elite clubs, but no one controls everything, those that achieve a level of ascendancy for a time, don't hold onto it indefinitely, and the wave of the present has all these elites working together, across ethnic lines, to better and more efficiently "govern" the rank and file.
But it always amuses me to think that the fat minimum wage schlub working at the deli goes to an elite conspiracy meeting after he gets off work slicing the kosher pastrami.
My point exactly. I'm Christian in heritage and culture but not religious. My specific Jewish friends I'm speaking about are the same. If you are intelligent and have good social skills and provide value there is no club that you cannot get into just like no pussy is unfuckable to someone that is alpha enough.
I thought about it the same way whenever you hear leftist SJWs talking about how white people are conspiring to keep certain classes down blah blah blah. The thing is I've never been invited to any type of white club even though my grandfather was a Mason. It's only for having meanings and it's not like Jews are either, in general anyway
Right, for every "white" person at the top, there are 10 working an assembly line. Also, the definition of white is so vague, and every-shifting. Within the "white" group, there are all kinds of ethnic and sub-ethnic hatreds and rivalries. The whole thing is rather comical.
Actually there is a club for controlling the whole world, however it turns out they let anyone in who's rich and connected regardless of race or background or no matter how many atrocities they've committed.
Like attracts like Poor people hang out with poor people Rich people hang out with rich people This isn't a conspiracy It's a law of nature
Blue pilled AF my dude. Israeli's are currently genociding the hell out of Palestine and whites in the US with mass migration. All while getting billions of US taxpayer dollars each year. They have many clubs like the SPLC, ADL, hell in the World Zionist Organization- give their creedo a read.
Yes they value those things for THEIR tribe, they hate YOUR tribe. Inbetween child sacrfices to Moloh, the two things Jews hate the most are Jesus and whites. Check out what their book the Talmud says on how Jesus is doing.
Believing in pregnant virgins is bp
You’re right, it’s just a conspiracy that a group representing 2% of the population could be vastly overrepresented in banking, finance, media, journalism, politics, academia, college admissions, and more.
I’m obviously not saying that there aren’t millions of ordinary, kind, hardworking, admirable Jews throughout the world. I am saying that to ignore the obvious does not make you enlightened, it makes you blind.
Man you're probably an incel waiting to shoot up a sorority house
Get out of your mother's basement and go make something of yourself or you're going to have a very bad destiny
No I don't literally think you live in your mother's basement but your mind is in your mother's basement figuratively
Nothing is stopping you from getting what you want in the world
I’m not saying anyone is preventing me from living my life, you’re reading your own biases into my statements. I’m saying that some people work together to run things for selfish reasons, and I’m not ok with it. I’m not saying that anyone but me controls my destiny.
And really dude, incel jokes? That’s such pathetic low hanging fruit to use as an insult when anyone disagrees with you. Debate my points, don’t ad hominem me like a pussy.
„Some people work together for selfish reasons, and I’m not ok with it” — why though? Literally everybody does this. Some people just do it better.
So what you are saying is “Hitler made a few good points.”?
lol
C’mon man.
Fuck off dude. If you’re not going to engage in a reasonable discussion then there’s no point even talking with you.
I've noticed that anti-semites are also usually haters tend to be paranoid and want things to go according to a set of rules that they think would benefit them.
Let me guess you think 9/11 was an inside job too right?
Anything bad that ever happened the Jews did it?
Get out of here loser.
You're the epitome of using red pill knowledge to try to achieve blue pill dreams.
I think your comment reveals a mindset that is indicative of what’s wrong with a lot of people on this subreddit. You think that just because trp is a strategy for understanding our reality and thriving in a shitty society that everything is perfect. Everything is not perfect, and myopically striving for your own pleasure as the world burns around you is not virtuous or masculine, it’s actually the opposite. It’s possible to completely understand how correct trp is at describing our world and still think our society is sick and broken.
Also you’re still strawmanning everyone instead of actually debating them and it’s pretty pathetic.
Okay so what are you proposing to do? Go out and change the world? Do it!
I've actually found that the best impact I can make on the world in society comes as a byproduct of doing the things that may look selfish on the surface and get me all the things that I actually want.
Do you want to know why? Because I'm a producer. I make stuff. I create jobs, I create wealth, I create value. It's not a zero-sum game. I can make the world a better place without ever going to out of my way to try to take down these nebulous structures that you're talking about. What am I going to do try to take out the world Bank? Infiltrate the IMF?
Take a walk with that stuff already dude you're wasting your time.
The only way to change that world is to get inside of it but if you get inside of it then you're not going to want to change it.
Guys like me me need guys like you because we need useful idiots that are dumb enough to go on suicide missions that we order them into.
For real dude drop this martyr complex.
You don’t have to do anything I tell you, you’re your own man. I’m not saying you have to join a guerilla movement to overthrow the government, that’s some stupid LARPy bullshit anyway. If you’re successful I’m happy for you, and I hope you use your success well.
I’m only saying that you don’t have to be Ted Kaczynski to realize that things are fucked up. A lot of people in this board act like striving for more traditional values makes you a bluepilled cuck, while I’m pointing out that our current societal frame is destructively feminine. Being one of the more successful men in this world can make people unwilling to change it, and I believe that’s actually indicative of weakness and fear, not strength.
Okay now we're having a conversation. I understand what you're saying but I feel almost as if you are still seeing the world in moralistic terms.
That said, a lot of your points are why I really like a guy like Elon Musk. People shaking things up.
Of course I understand there are deep power structures in the world with a very very long history and information that I am not privy to. I simply don't think that it's caught up in any type of mysticism it's just more like a clannishness. I think anyone can get admitted to anything under the right conditions.
and I believe some conspiracies exist but they're probably not what we think and in any case I don't bother wasting my mind space thinking about them because they have nothing to do with me and how I can operate in the world
It's like have you read much Nietzsche?
One of the things he says is why bother wasting your time with metaphysics because at the end of the day it doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong you still have to live your life one way
I feel like you are maybe still having trouble with the metaphysics of things and I'm not saying one way is right or wrong I'm saying what does it matter? What difference does it make if there's a giant conspiracy running the world and all the Alex Jones stuff is true?
It matters because we can live in a better world, and it doesn’t have to be full of shit making our lives worse for no reason. There are people who fuck us on a daily basis, for their selfish gain, and I’m not ok with that. Things are going to get a whole lot worse in the US in the near future and we won’t be able to survive as atomized individuals forever. I’m not talking about metaphysics and bringing Nietzsche into it seems a little odd. Here’s the distinction: I’m not arguing from morality, I’m arguing for morality. And that’s not some plea for you to find religion, it’s an advocacy for living in a society that had the right things incentivized and disincentivized. We have no structures upholding the values that built our society and things are going to continue breaking down regardless of how successful you are on an individual basis.
For starters, it doesn't have to be 1 or 0 - "all conspiracies are true, including stupid ones" or "all conspiracies are untrue".
I'm believer in some of USA-related conspiracies, like 9/11 inside job. I would not feel safe as a citizen in USA given how they treat their citizen. I'm glad I was not born there.
It matters if you want to make some good in the world. To do good you need to know the most. Otherwise you might be putting your effort in the wrong place. And given you're saying you're a resourceful guy, your effort may well be more powerful and effective than some other guy's effort. I believe it's worthwhile to be creating better society, and one cannot do that if he believes all the current systems are fine and dandy.
Hardik Pandya said this on Karan Johar. Lol look what happened to him.
One thing I thinks maybe disqualifies them from being RedPilled is if they chose an entire career to get women. That indicates some sort of insecurity for me, to choose what you do based on how likely you will be to get women. They clearly didn’t have an abundance mindset beforehand, and obviously they’re rock stars which they love to do too, but I think it was interesting he said the only reason (or the main reason) he did it was for women.
Watch Joe Rogan's podcast interview with Paul Stanley. He admits that he had tremendous insecurities growing up as a young man. He wanted women. He figured out a way to get them. Lots of them. The same reason most of you are here, reading this forum.
I get what you say, if you try to fuck women just because you think it's gonna fix some of your other problems or because you're insecure, yeah you're right. But this aligns with TRP perfectly. If YOU CHOOSE to do that, who cares what anyone thinks? Isn't it shallow, can't you do better? Of course, but it isn't against TRP to set your goal to "fuck lots of women."
I don't think it's as simple as wanting to fuck lots of women. I wouldn't say that goes against TRP.
If I chose to be a lawyer or a dentist to become rich and use that money to get women, that's very blue pilled. I mean, it's more nuanced than that. Do I like being a lawyer, what sacrifices did I make to get there, etc etc. But it doesn't exactly scream abundance mentality, and it's quite insecure to do.
Choosing to read the TRP subreddit is not the same thing as choosing a career, a life, based on doing something to get laid. Obviously we wouldn't all be here if we inherently came from a place of abundance with no insecurities at the start of our journeys, but again, if he had chosen a career that wasn't rockstar, I think a lot of people would think differently; it's almost creepy.
Agreed. Well said. I personally started lifting because I thought I was ugly and all I wanted was to be attractive to women.
I think I misunderstood you in your first comment. What I had in mind was that AFTER finding TRP, if somebody decided that all they wanted was to have lots of sex (I think it's fucked up and they will grow out of it, with a lot of new problems and insecurities), It still aligns with TRP. They just suck at setting their goal properly.
Yeah it comes down to the underlying motivation, at least for me. I don’t blame Kiss at all, I can’t imagine they were red pilled at the start of their careers. Probably just young, horny guys with some musical talent.
But yeah once you’re red pilled and you’ve been working on yourself for a while, I don’t think it’s appropriate to be deciding on career choices based on an urgent desire to sleep with women. Not saying there’s anything inherently wrong with it (although there might be), but it’s certainly not red pill.
It's pretty disappointing that this community is looking up to these guys like they are something to aspire to.
First, these guys are probably trolling. I'm sure they got lots of pussy, but part of their job is selling this lifestyle to the youth. God knows how much of this they are lying about. The fact that they came on the fucking Oprah Winfrey show should be a clue that this is part of the degenerate lifestyle the mainstream media wants to sell you. You can't be all like "the mainstream hates the Red Pill" but then continually find exceptions.
Second, these guys are a very rare minority. Most high status guys, even millionaires and "alpha" guys can't do this, so this is not remote realistic for anybody here to aspire to.
Finally, I know this places hates "tradcons" but you cannot possibly think that what these guys are doing is fulfilling or makes them happy. These girls are the scum of society, and they are just as opportunistic and predatory as they are. It's not a healthy transaction, nor is it something that one should make the goal of their life. Both of these guys grew up and got married, meanwhile we are sitting here jacking off about how cool they used to be.
Are you retarded? This is KISS. Probably the most recognized rock band in the world. In the 70's they were the kings. Period. They don't have to lie about how much pussy they got. They got it. No doubt in my mind. Rock stars and celebrities live in a different reality than the rest of us do. What sounds outrageous to us was just another day to them. They went on the Oprah Winfrey show in the 80's like damn near every other celebrity did, because there was no internet, no 24 hour cable news or entertainment channels filling our minds with mush. Obviously what these guys did make them incredibly happy AND wealthy. I suggest you watch Joe Rogan's podcast episode with Paul Stanley. He's no dummy, and you might just learn a thing or two.
I was with you up until this point. Care to elaborate?
Anyway, although I agree with most of what you said, keep in mind that this sub has almost 420,000 subscribers. You can't cover everyone's interest in a single post. I'm sure this has been useful especially to some of the newbies.
These girls still exist, dumbass! One of these girls will fuck a GigaChad DJ and think she's hot shit, act like a retard, then start hitting you in the face as if she's a man when you call her out.
It's her perceived status due to this that will justify this in her mind - AND crying to the cops when you hit her back instinctively because you're a man! And getting pinched for it and then paying to defend yourself!
Is that a healthy transaction?
There is nothing wrong with casual sex. And yes, fucking so many girls WILL make you happy, at least until you got tired from that. It is always better to have more money than less, it is always better to have more available female options than less, it isn't even a red pill, but common sense. It is up to you if you want to fuck all the women who want you or choose the best of them to have relationships. The perfect outcome, of course, would be romancing the best and most loyal out of them and still banging side chicks with the main girl's full approval. It is the best way a man can fulfill his sexual life and they are, eventually, did it. Also check when exactly they married their wives, at this age your libido already barely alive, lol.
This isn’t redpill theory at all