Is less more when it comes to women?

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December 18, 2019
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I feel like the harder I try the harder I fail. I'm trying to tone it down with compliments, trying to get sex, and overall being pushy. It's tempting not to but I feel it will get better results if I don't give them so much attention.


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Title Is less more when it comes to women?
Author bayfarm
Upvotes 82
Comments 80
Date 18 December 2019 09:15 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/300888
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/ecaafe/is_less_more_when_it_comes_to_women/
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[–]MVWeiss149 points150 points  (19 children) | Copy

I think that a lot of advice deals with generalizations not specifics so here’s some specifics for ya

  1. Don’t ask her out to shit, tell her you’re gonna do xyz and she’s welcome to join. If she turns you down once, chill for a week, keep talking , ask again, second time she turns down, tell her “well good luck, I’m trying to meet people not just have online relationships” she’ll reply with bait and carrot, ignore her.

  2. Call them out if they are boring or stupid ....ALL OF THEM ARE

  3. Let her chase. Ignore her for a few days, if she doesn’t chase, work on your internal game and next her. Stop wasting time on thots that don’t wanna waste time on you.

  4. Don’t take them to expensive places until after the fuck and display of feminine qualities

  5. Don’t get too excited when talking/texting them.

  6. Laconic game works if you’re very aesthetic or very masculine TO HER. If you aren’t, practice push pull, it’s fun.

[–]Dimenzije9017 points18 points  (9 children) | Copy

What is a Laconic game ?

[–]revaforce23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

Low effort, low attention

[–]User-31f64a4e1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Which works because it mimics detachment from the outcome.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

Check out the Wikipedia article on Spartans.They had that shit down to a T,and they were masculine as fuck.

[–]illusiveab-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Provide a link so everyone knows exactly what you're referencing, don't be lazy

[–]TehJimmyy-4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy

said the guy who won't google it

[–]illusiveab4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why should I have to sift through Wikipedia to better understand a specific point you're making? If you're serious about your point, you should be more than willing to source your comment to make it effective.

[–]2000inchbiceps2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's probably trying to fuck you with this 'less is more' shit. Is it working?

[–]eightandsix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Saying only what needs to be said. Eliminates the possibility of looking like you're trying too hard. Laconic refers to Laconia in Greece where Sparta is. They were said to use words sparingly and only for the desired purpose.

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

well good luck, I’m trying to meet people not just have online relationships

Oh God I can hear the cacophony of furious time wasters screeching at their phones when they see this

[–]SebastianValdes3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

did this once and she tried baiting me back. i just ignored and she just came back to me

[–]rukavil4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don’t ask her out to shit, tell her you’re gonna do xyz and she’s welcome to join.

There’s a chance she will shit test and say something like ‘so you‘re gonna go to grab drinks by yourself if I don’t come’. Or sum like that.

I think it’s better to straight up ask her out if she showed IOI’s. But I generally agree with your advices

[–]i_forget_my_userids7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

The first step to becoming alpha is being a degenerate alcoholic

[–]mrpoopistan3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s a chance she will shit test and say something like ‘so you‘re gonna go to grab drinks by yourself if I don’t come’. Or sum like that.

One of my all-time favorite moments was with this chick I had arranged to meet after she got off work at midnight.

She was texting and giving me shit left and right around 11:45. By midnight she was hinting she wasn't going to show up at all.

I texted her back, "I'm walking there right now. I'm gonna have fun with or without you."

Five minutes later, I see her car pull around the corner just as I'm getting to the club.

[–]illusiveab3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the worst pieces of advice unless it is an interactive event. You can just say "I've been meaning to do XYZ, let's do it together" and not sound like a moron.

[–]TRPCops[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's a bot trying to follow you around claiming you scam people on crypto. Our automod has nuked it. What's the deal?

[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl82 points83 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes.

Now go and read the sidebar to prevent silly questions.

[–]btrpb43 points44 points  (8 children) | Copy

Tone it down with compliments?

Don't give any compliments to a bird you haven't slept with. And if your do manage get laid keep the compliments rare thereafter.

[–]tyronethejabrone6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

Is that what big daddy trp told you?

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[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Bzzzt. You compliment her when appropriate, and call her on her shit/make fun of her when it's appropriate. You give validation, then take it away. What, are you really gonna keep score?

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[–]muricanwerewolf11 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol you got me on that one.

[–]WIA20XX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, experience taught me that

[–]GrooveDive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Compliments are great, just do it in a backhanded teasy way and it's push pull.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Less isn't always more; sometimes more is more.

There are two traps that average frustrated chumps fall into, and they are polar opposites of each other.

One is being a dancing monkey. Thinking it's your job to entertain a girl.

The other is being boring. This is when you hit a girl up with something like "Hey, how's your day?" Congratulations, you've just given her a homework assignment. No wonder she doesn't want to jump all over your dick.

If you are boring girls, less isn't more. More is more. But more of what? Sexual energy for one. But mostly it's about putting more effort into yourself. Women want to enter a man's world. If your world isn't better than hers–or better than Jimmy-from-Tinder's–she will only be interested in using you for validation.

You don't raise a woman's interest level by turning up the amount of attention you give her. That's just becoming a dancing monkey. You raise it by turning up the awesomeness of your own life.

[–]Haytch12349 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look up the law of least effort.

[–]chickenpthrowaway12316 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you new here?

[–]2319Skew4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you are working on yourself and improving each day with an interesting life then you start to make cool shit happen to you.

Women notice that and test the waters. If you seem to be faking they pick up on that pretty quickly but if you are the real deal then an interesting thing happens. They start to chase you. They will drop simple IOIs that they can deny if you decline them but start to escalate if they want you bad enough.

You would get hints of sexuality "Nothing wrong with a spanking", touching your body, she'll make up reasons to be around you, tell you she's single or "going through a tough time". These escalate to questions about your sex life, asking you to help with X in their home, joking about or inferring your sexual ability, overtly displaying tits, ass or falling on you.

If you start to go out with them they will shit test you non stop. The higher you know your worth the less shit you take and the switch is put back on her since she doesn't want to lose a man of value. She goes into your frame or its her loss. That's the part where most guys fail because they don't interliaze that they are the prize.

If you are a 9 and she's a 5. How do you think she would act? You could get away with almost anything. Same thing. Only difference is that as an 8 or 9, she has a ton of orbiters that validate her and few if any high value guys that enough to have a relationship with.

She can and will always get dick easy but women aren't looking for just a lay. They want to have the best boyfriend ever. They want that alpha bad boy that all the other girls get jealous and try to steal.

I mean all of this is in the side bar.

Edit : Added IOIs examples for newbies.

[–]Dboy2233-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Not Gona happen unless your 6’2 that’s life

[–]2319Skew2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You post a lot of weak frame self defeating bullshit often. I don't know what your intent is on this forum.

I can't tell if you are a troll, an incel or just confused but I'll say it again.

When you do fun and interesting things and have a great personality, you draw people to you. You can look like Chris Hemsworth and still lose a girl to a guy that looks like Steve Buscemi.

[–]Dboy2233-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah right. Not a troll at all. This is the red pill right? Isn’t this “reality”. I just saw a girl at the gym love having a conversation with a 6’3 dude who wasn’t doing shit and then this 5’10 was way more energetic and she walked off when he tried to talk to her.

[–]2319Skew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This morning I had eggs. Scrambled.

What does this have to do with anything?

Good question.

Just like your post it doesn't really have any real meaning.

No one is going to say that tall guys that are attractive don't check a lot of women's boxes. What I'm saying is that you're insecure as fuck. Like if you're even 1% this insecure in your RL interactions then I can see why you have a hard time with shit.

Some men are insecure about weight, money, muscles, social status. Your insecurity is about height. I get it but it's only a handicap if you allow it to be unless you're like Peter Dinklage size. But what do I know? Maybe you walk around with a little ladder and have a hard time picking up women because of it. If that's the case then PLEASE bulk up and make a Youtube channel "Little Lifts" where you squat a Tonka Truck.

[–]oldslut6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

you try to tone it down with compliments? why are you giving her compliments? did she do something to deserve one? so your basically being a needy, beta creep, and then wondering why women are repulsed. read "no more mr. nice guy", and the side bar. you obviously haven't read either.

[–]2319Skew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you are working on yourself and improving each day with an interesting life then you start to make cool shit happen to you.

Women notice that and test the waters. If you seem to be faking they pick up on that pretty quickly but if you are the real deal then an interesting thing happens. They start to chase you. They will drop simple IOIs that they can deny if you decline them but start to escalate if they want you bad enough.

If you start to go out with them they will shit test you non stop. The higher you know your worth the less shit you take and the switch is put back on her since she doesn't want to lose a man of value. She goes into your frame or its her loss. That's the part where most guys fail because they don't interliaze that they are the prize.

If you are a 9 and she's a 5. How do you think she would act? You could get away with almost anything. Same thing. Only difference is that as an 8 or 9, she has a ton of orbiters that validate her and few if any high value guys that enough to have a relationship with.

She can and will always get dick easy but women aren't looking for just a lay. They want to have the best boyfriend ever. They want that alpha bad boy that all the other girls get jealous and try to steal.

I mean all of this is in the side bar.

[–]wowkwo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The hottest and downest girls I've gotten over my 30 years on this planet all came to me. Be social, be authentic, be on your mission, make sure you put yourself in situations with women around and let them come brotha.

[–]jajahhssgxka2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read 48 laws of power.

One is about making everything you do look easy. Don't let anybody see the amount of effort it actually takes to do something. Never tell your secrets.

[–]Joshd_475 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy

Women are divine beings, be so engaged yet free of attachment, put all focused energy into you and the inner will shift the outer world. Self love is magic, it’s felt by your surroundings as you radiate. Be high vibrational women will feel that and they love to feel so let your vibe talk and dance with their emotions

[–]MVWeiss16 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

“Oh heavenly blessed beauty whose beauty is heavenly” GTFO with this shit 😂

Your Divine being don’t look so divine when she’s on her knees sucking D and taking it up the pooper. Jesus ...some people

[–]Joshd_478 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

That’s the moment when their divinity in unveiled

[–]MVWeiss-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

If by “their divinity” you mean “my cum” and by “unveiled” you mean “all over her face” then I agree with you. 👌🏻

[–]Joshd_4710 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

This guy fucks. It’s ideal to have non ejaculatory orgasms so why lose your juice when you can move that energy through your microcosmic orbit rather than discharging it and empower yourself

[–]Aestheticcunt19963 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone practices semen retention☺️

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

U 0k brah?

[–]Joshd_473 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m not, instructions unclear semen stuck inside bloodstream

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit this thread is delivering

[–]Aestheticcunt1996-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

u mad, son ?☺️

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

U 0k brah?

[–]ZealousFeet0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Uh... Wut?

[–]D3ADM0US3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Semen Retention

[–]professor_mcamateur0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

what kind drugs u do

[–]Joshd_471 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

5meo dmt, ayahuasca, sananga, sapo, lsd

[–]Zanford1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When it comes to their weight, yeah.

But seriously, yes, a lot of good game is basically 'less is more'. Be laconc, don't act tryhard, the 2/3rs rule, don't act desperate or clingy or pushy, etc

[–]Polojames1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on the woman...

[–]Sin-Silver0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like someone who's come across as as being desperate. Study TRP, and stop chasing pussy so hard.

[–]VigilantSmartbomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re giving her positive reinforcement for bad behavior you don’t like, why?

Your attention should be a currency

[–]3chazthundergut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

At least read a LITTLE bit of TRP sidebar before asking a question

[–]jojojijo3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes you're starting to get it. Being a tryhard communicate neediness a.k.a. low value

[–]strainer1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you look desperate they get turned off, if you're nonchalant they tend to think you have more options so they end up interested, they're very psychologically manipulated by these games, unlike males that would love a hot girl falling over them, they don't get less hot if they're interested in you, while women perceive men as less interesting if they're really interested, this is basic TRP, dread games, etc.

[–]Don_Draper270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If something isn't working for you then try something else.

Consider reading some pick-up books like "The Natural", "The Game", and "Models" to try and add more direction with your approaches.

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[–]ModTheRedPike0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Enough. Both of you.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I feel it will get better results if I don't give them so much attention.

Attention is the only currency women chase. Controlling the attention spigot is essential to getting good results.

While you don't want to shut the attention spigot off entirely, you definitely want to keep it at a low level. You'll know you have it dialed in right when she acts impressed with herself when you give her any attention.

[–]leospace0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it’s called the law of reversed effort. my first encounter with this was beer pong, funnily enough. the harder you try to sink it the more you will likely miss. whereas if you adopt an indifferent attitude and accept whatever comes to pass as a reflection of your level of development and where you need to improve your odds of success will only increase. alan watts speaks of this in his book, the wisdom of insecurity, highly recommend a read, and maybe taking a break from seddit theory in order to reset.

[–]G0rv0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tip or reminder of a common mistake.

Women (in the dating pool) are totally unable to lead. This is an experience-based fact. Whereas to lead should be an intrinsically thing for you as a male. As it comes so natural for you as a male, you may easily, most unknowingly, assume it also comes natural for women as well. With this false assumption you'll likely do the too rash conclusion (mistake) that she's uninterested because she "gives that impression".

tl;dr A woman's subtle sign of uninterest may more truthfully be a sign of her total unability to lead.

[–]WIA20XX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can not really tell what this is about, but if the chick responds negatively to positive behavior - SHE'S FUCKED UP.

Of course knowing how maladapted these chicks are to guys who might actually be good to them - in order to get your dick sucked on a regular basis - do you have what it takes to become the guy she does enthusiastic anal for?

Everything you need to know about becoming selfish is here

[–]User-31f64a4e0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The issue is outcome independence.
"Trying hard" generally means, attachment to results.

It isn't the words, the specific amount of conversation, whatever. It's the non-verbal cues, micro-expressions, voice micro-tics, etc. they are picking up that you really, really want to bang them.

You have to actually, truly not give a fuck if you bang any particular chick; then they will swarm like flies.

-==-

PUA schemes, tricks and tactics are like Alchoholics Anonymous; fake it 'till you make it.
To the extent you can actually understand the psychology behind all this, and change how you think about things, it can all be unconscious.

By the way, this also helps with Shit tests - actually being in the correct frame of mind, can make passing them without conscious effort possible.

[–]TheeSakred0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I spend no energy on women and they chase me. The more you chase the more they run.



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