How important is a woman's sexual past to you?

Awhile back, a young woman posted on RedPillWomen asking about men's views on virginity and N count.

So I decided to open it up here and get your thoughts.

For you single men, what number or range is acceptable to you? What would you consider a deal breaker?

For the married men, if you were never married and doing this all over again, what number would be a deal breaker for you?

Studying sex

To add a bit more to this discussion, there have been studies (CDC - The Center for Disease Control, the University of Virginia and others) that show a high correlation between the number of sexual partners a woman has and the likelihood of divorce.

And you almost always hear the "but correlation isn't causation!" as a counter. True, but when almost every time something shows up (in this case, a higher number of sexual partners) then the likelihood of something else happening also appears, that makes many men stop and carefully consider this.

Can you find a woman who has had a certain number of sexual partners and they make a good wife who stays with you? Yes.

It seems many men don't want to take a chance on the exceptions though (and who can blame them?), and prefer a woman with a lower number and/or ideally a virgin.

Serious relationships and marriage material

I should state that I'm talking about men interested in an LTR leading to marriage.

This being RPChristians, that's the likely default position.

But for men only wanting something short term and just for fun, they likely don't care as long as she's clean and disease free.

And another category of men who want something longer term but have no plans to "lock her down" and put a ring on it, they just like a steady supply of poon from their girl and all of the other benefits of companionship, then they too likely don't care too much about her sexual past.

For those who want marriage, though, the majority of men I've talked with irl and online seem to fall in the category of the lower the better when it comes to her "number."

And they base their reasoning mostly around pair bonding and emotional attachment, as well as other factors such as finding these girls happier, more joyful and thinking they make better housewives.

In fact, decades ago, a common refrain was "hoes don't make good housewives."

There is also a bit of an "ugh" factor with some of the men I've talked to irl or read online.

Let me introduce you to Mr. Magoo

One such example that I copied because it makes me chuckle when I read it is from Mr. Magoo (I think it was on one of Roosh's blogs)

He writes:

Actually zero notch count is the standard for the marriageable woman. "ZERO MEANS ZERO" and I'm serious.

If she has 'low' notch count, then there's an encumberance upon your marriage. There's a shadow cast over your happy home.

There's some guy out there who has previously reamed the woman that you like to smile and call 'wife'. There's some guy out there who in days past, squeezed astroglide on his palm and slapped it onto your 'wife's' tight virgin package. He then doused more slime from the tube upon his schlong and then proceeded to head bunt up inside the innermost reaches of her cervix. Maybe he was too cheap for store bought lube. Maybe he hocked a loogie and spit it on her snatch, thereafter proceeding with the insertion of his phallus, beating the tar out of her cervical wall like a wrecking ball and she screamed "oooh" "aaah'.

THAT MAN you can never shake hands with. You should be on good terms with all good men if only it weren't for THAT MAN who schlonged your wife. Of all the good people on earth who you can shake hands with, that one man is the exception. To shake his hand would be like shaking dicks with him. DEBAUCHERY for anyone but a fulge packing down low imbecile. Otherwise to even touch his hand would be unthinkable. It would be like 'dickshaking' - eeeew!

Those hands of his diddled your woman's vulva and much more and he wasn't even an approved gynecologist with a good reason.

SO WHY? Why would you want to have such a thing hanging over your marriage? Suppose you're running for school board or church deacon and THERE HE IS in the same room. "Why won't you shake his hand?" they all whisper. It's because you know where his moustache has been and how he turned your woman from a pure dish into an unkosher leftover scrap fit for a dog, like throwing a raw piece of pork into the punch bowl at a bar mitzveh.

It's YOUR party that's ruined, not his. He just had to ruin your party and you just had to settle for some notched up woman right? Well MCGOO says not right.

How much harder is it to simply game a virgin? It costs nothing more than with a whore. It's where you set your sights. Sure you have to schmooze her parents with accolades and convince them to release her and pull her out of high school to commence upon a grand journey of becoming a western renaissance breeder, but hey other than that it's easy. Any resistance you encounter is only a technicality.

If you're serious about loyalty, service and commitment, keep it pure. KEEP IT VIRGIN.

Well OK then lol

Personal thoughts and things to consider

So let me share my thoughts:

I think a virgin woman is HIGHLY preferable. But let's face facts, the amount of virgin women is a small subset of women in society.

And we haven't gotten into hot virgin women. Or Christians. (although you can certainly win her to Christ, but I don't recommend evangedating). Or any other qualities.

So if you find one, will she even have other qualities and traits you're looking for? As /u/Red-Curious has said, you can train up a good wife, so I'm not talking about teachable things, but other aspects.

I'd say it's more of a sliding scale.

For example, if there are two women, one is a virgin and let's say the other has had 3 sexual partners.

But the one who's been with 3 guys has almost every one of the things you're looking for. She's repented of her past. She's a faithful Christian. Her personality, her looks, her sweetness and demeanor and submissiveness to you is where it needs to be or getting there. And much more.

And the virgin woman also has plenty of good qualities, but not to the same degree as the first woman. Depending on how great the divide was in these other areas between the women (and assuming they're not something that can be learned/developed) then I'd give more consideration to the woman who has a higher N count.

But to quote Iron Man/Tony Stark "Is it too much to ask for both?" ;)

If you can get almost everything you want in the same woman, hey, go for it! Don't settle.

What's more, we haven't even gotten into other aspects of one's sexual past, such as if a man is looking for a woman as close to virginal as possible, how is he "counting" that?

For instance, let me use an "absurd" example for this first one to illustrate a point. Let's say a woman has had 5 sexual partners. She slept with each one just one time each. She's only had sex 5 times total in her life, but with 5 different men.

A second woman has only had sex with two men, but in long term, committed relationships that lasted a couple of years each. She has a high sexual drive and they had sex an average of once or twice a day.

So she's had sex hundreds, maybe thousands of times. In this case, the less sexually experienced woman is the one with more partners. Which do you prefer?

And in today's times, we also have the "virgins" who have done other sexual things. You have women who are virgins as far as being virgo intacta and have never had intercourse, but they've given oral, anal, use their hands to pleasure a man, etc.

So you may have a virgin who has done everything else verses a woman who isn't a virgin but hasn't experienced other "firsts" in various ways.

Which is the state of society that we live in.

In thinking about all of this, what is your preference and what "number" or range would you accept if you can't get your preference? What number do you consider a deal breaker no matter how good the other qualities are?

My closing thoughts are this.

I do think a woman's "number" is an important factor to consider. I think her past has an impact on her future relationships and marriage, which can end up being expressed in a variety of ways. You also have to consider whether she has truly repented and is where she needs to be with God.