Are married women who refuse to take their husband's last name more likely to cheat on them?

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December 29, 2019

I was having my drink while thinking about how my life has changed for good after applying TRP principles.

And as I was thinking about that I remembered all the married women in my office who playfully flirt with me and always find an excuse to spend time with me. One thing I notice is that all the married women who flirt with me were the one who kept their own last name.

I've personally started to think that "not taking husband's last name" is major redflag.

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Title Are married women who refuse to take their husband's last name more likely to cheat on them?
Author Carnivore_Guy
Upvotes 76
Comments 71
Date 29 December 2019 06:33 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–][deleted] 88 points89 points  (5 children) | Copy

I would take it as a strong indicator that those women aren't in their husbands' frame, hence likely to cheat on him.

[–]Massap2439 points40 points  (3 children) | Copy

I agree with this, she’s probably not taking him seriously. Look at Kim Kardashian refusing to change her name in her last marriages. Suddenly with Kanye west she manages to change her name.

[–]volvostupidshit22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

I wonder how long Kanye can tame that bish.

[–]AGameofTrolls18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think she knows she already hit the wall by now, so I think Kanye isn't too worried about tamming her too much. But, then again, it's Kim fucking Kardashian so you never really know right?

[–]thechaosz5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

As long the checks keep clearing and he's in the news and relevant. Maybe 5 years or so.

[–]30dirtyfingers2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was just talking to a girl about this.

I simply said "If we were to get married, the only thing I get out of it is you having my last name......what else is in it for me? More over, if you dont have my last name, no one knows your married, so why would I bother to marry you if your not gonna tell everyone your with me?"

She quickly decided (fuck what she says, watch what she does) that MY last name would be the only one she would take.

She had to step into my frame because she had no logical reason not to.......side bar talks about this.

[–]Filmguy00099 points100 points  (13 children) | Copy

If a woman marries a man and refuses to change her name, it implies that she is in it for the benefits of the contract, and not because she wants to be in his frame (in love with him). She basically has one foot out the door at all times in her hindbrain. That's my opinion at least.

[–]Nastynatee12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy

100% I've fucked 2 that were adamant on keeping their ex husbands last name for retarded social status continuance (the name has a ring to it or gives/maintains their status. Both of these women are nightmares and awful people lol.

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[–]nombre16 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

I see his comment relating this way: Women take (and in his examples, keep) a man's name as a symbol of their association with his power and status.

If she doesn't see your name having sufficient value, she won't take your name. If she sees you as having high enough power, she might keep your name, even after you next her.

[–]redaftrp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just like my ex wife... bitch still has my last name, none of her relationships has meter is listed into a marriage either...

[–]sir_shitfuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well overloading your body with sugar can indeed cause your body to have a detoxification response, especially if it's been a while since you've eaten any sugar.

[–]VigilantSmartbomb-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol and then you find out youre lactose intolerant- yeah they’re closer than you’re making it out to seem

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Where did you meet them?

[–]Nastynatee1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

1 from my gym the other from a friends pub. 1 is a doctor and the other an attorney. Both are pieces of shit lol.

[–]theUnBannableHulk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]VigilantSmartbomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Seems to be about right

99% of the time of course

[–]oldslut45 points46 points  (13 children) | Copy

even worse are the outrageously pathetic dudes that change their name to the woman's...

seen this a few times now, and i can't help but feeling sadness mixed with disgust for the poor moron who would even consider changing their name for a chick. it's like a giant times square billboard that flashes: "let the cuckolding begin!"

[–]Intentional6919 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Sorry excuse me what? What did you just say? Webber Agnew Webber-fuckin-Agnew!?! you took your wife's last name you're a hyphenate?!?"

"A lot of dudes are doing it, it's progressive"

"NO no dudes are doing it, you look like a progressive guy would you do that? No and he has a Goatee!"

[–]ledsdeadbaby0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Immediately thought of Hot Tub Time Machine when I read the post hahaha

[–]ripsawridge12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

A guy in my office is doing it. Insanity.

[–]oldslut4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

poor schmuck

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Jack White sounds better than Jack Gillis imo.

[–]redaftrp0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

My grandmothers maiden name was Hoffman, she had a brother name Jack... as you can imagine he took shit from everyone, for being named Jack Hoffman...

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why do people do that to their kids? I know a married guy, and when his wife had their first kid, she wanted to give the child some gay ass name. I warned him that someday that kid was going to have to go to school, and maybe he should man up, but he didn’t.

[–]redaftrp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well to be fair, it was the 1920s, and Hoffman is a German name...

[–]beginner_2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

even worse are the outrageously pathetic dudes that change their name to the woman's...

There are exceptions. Older kid neighbor had a terrible last name and he obviously got constantly mocked about it. probably wanted to save his children from that future. (last name loosely translated was jerkoff).

Else I don't see any issue with a woman keeping her last name. WTF does it matter?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you scroll up (or maybe down) you'll see I relate to this situation. It's very real and people overlook it. In my case, I desire a public career, and my last name is difficult to pronounce, and at the end of the alphabet. I am against marriage, but if I did marry, I would take either my mom's maiden name or my partner's last name, depending which I thought sounded better with my first name.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

To be fair, you overlook that this can have uses practically. The men you describe likely aren't that case, though.

Disclaimer: I am against marrying and will never do so. However, these were my thoughts at a younger age on the matter.

My last name fucking sucks. I am the only person in America with it, it's at the end of the alphabet, and hard to pronounce--and yes, I am white. In my opinion, it is almost as bad of a last name as you can get. I have thought many times about changing my last name to my mom's maiden name. That being the case, had I gotten married, I considered changing my last name to my partner's. Not as an act of submissiveness, but because I don't want this shitty last name. Having an unpronouncable last name makes you less recognizable and hurts career aspirations--there are studies. Being at the end of the alphabet, in today's world, practically subjects you to discrimination--always being last for everything, to the point where things often run out, or you're left off of your HS graduation pamphlet.

In my case, I have a very submissive LTR. If we theoretically got married--we won't--she already knows we'd either take her last name, or my mom's maiden name. If she had a last name that sounded good with my first name, I would definitely take her last name. The girl I am with now, particularly, would likely have to take my mom's maiden name, since I don't like hers too much. She'd be okay with that.

The point being there's a little nuance to consider to this opinion. Things like names that people are just born with aren't always desirable, and I certainly would never wish my current last name on a girl.

[–]oldslut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ok, if your last name is something like lipshits, then i can agree. but this is the exception, and not the norm.

[–]nothestrawberrypatch17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Divorced. Can confirm.

[–]5e4v9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is a really good question. I’m going to test new R skills and download data for divorces and see if I can maybe separate them by last name change or not.

Not exactly the question you asked but it might be a good indication.

[–]hamagiclamp2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I really hope you actually do this.

[–]5e4v1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

When I get some free time! ;)

Will post it here.

[–]30DaystoSolstice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Commenting to get updates

[–]theUnBannableHulk58 points59 points  (14 children) | Copy

After much research I have concluded—- 200% YES

This is a gigantic shit test and the ones who fail are always cucked.

Same with Hyphenation or any of that shit, bitches should be begging to change their last name to yours.

[–]volvostupidshit9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy

How do you even pass that shit test if that's a shit test at all?

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[–]theUnBannableHulk6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Underrated comment 👍🏻

Sloots these days so dumb this might woosh over her head... further proving her unfitness for marriage

[–]theUnBannableHulk7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy

A firm NO coupled with letting the bitch know that she’s one more fuck up away from getting dumped on her ass.

In fact, a firm NO, then telling her you’re gonna want a pre-nup to really solidify the Alpha.

Also, hide your assets in marriage. Bishes are incentivized to cheat and divorce


One of the best marriages that I have known the guy didn’t even buy her a proper engagement ring and just got her a Mickey Mouse ring for $5 while walking through town.

Wedding ring he got her some $50 tungsten ring which looks stylish and she got him a $5000 gold band that he promptly lost and didn’t apologize for.

She ADORES him.

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[–]theUnBannableHulk7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know it son 😂

[–]josh_e_pants6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I know from first-hand experience that some people like being treated that way but they usually have serious problems that make it not worth your while being in a relationship with them.

[–]theUnBannableHulk2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy


Unfortunately, experience in multiple countries with sweet virgins to sluts....all women love indifferent Men who focus more on their mission.

The explanation you believe in is a cope designed to not shatter the dreams of betas.

Tough but it’s true.

[–]josh_e_pants0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Be indifferent and focus more on your mission, I like that. My problem is with the misinterpretation that you should just be an asshole.

[–]theUnBannableHulk-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man....what is an “asshole” according to women?

A Man who is indifferent and doesn’t treat her like a special vagina. And calls her out on her stupid dumb shit.

The way we Men think of “asshole” is a rude, aggressive, unreasonable dickhead,

This is where the disconnect comes in.

However, even so, the unreasonable dickhead will always get laid more than the nice guy. So don’t err on the side of caution when it comes to women.

E.g. I was in Miami and was walking down the street looking kinda pissed, 3 drunken girls got shoved over by Me (wasn’t paying attention) two of them started bitching and asking me to apologize...I told them to “fuck off before I make you” the bitches stopped talking as it was late and they got scared, the third chick who was the hottest (think skinny with great round ass and tits , 21-22) literally grabbed my hand and said and I quote “I’m sorry, I see you angry...but maybe, you are in pain?” (I was not in any pain, got a great life etc 😂 )

I took that bitch home. Literally zero game apart from. Me being a pissed-off (about work) unreasonable jerk willing to smack dudes and bitches at 3:30 AM. Bitches really DO rationalize completely unreasonable psychopathic behaviour 🤦🏼‍♂️

[–]josh_e_pants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OMFG dude, what a story. So many girls are obsessed with serial killer documentaries... I wonder why.

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[–]theUnBannableHulk1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol you have zero idea what women find attractive because that’s the No. 1 cope excuse of Beta Mmales everywhere.

Not even gonna answer and let you grow up into RP

[–]Musicgoon14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

My BPD ex bitched up and down that she didn't have the same last name as me. When we got married (huge BP mistake) she never changed her last name. In my opinion. Yes that a huge red flag that she doesn't see her man as high value.

[–]volvostupidshit2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's future faking. They do it to lure you into their frame. I just brushed them off and never took her seriously even when I was blue pilled. Even when we have broken off she is still in my frame. She tries desperately to lure me back but I already burnt all the bridges by accusing her of being a cheater. Haha I totally love to control these bitches but they are exhausting and they make my narcissistic tendencies go wild because I have the need to always be in control.

[–]IntrepidLawyer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's future faking. They do it to lure you into their frame.

Freaky sex before marriage, NO sex (with you) after marriage.

[–]tefllifestyle22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

What kind of retard marries a girl who doesnt take their last name. Unless u live in the middle east or in a culture where it is not common or she is a superstar and needs to keep her name. Just thinking

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also if the guy's last name sucks. This exists. I have an abysmal last name and would love to change it, but haven't actually taken the steps to do so.

I am against marriage, though, so it'll never be in that context. Were I to marry, though, I wouldn't really oppose that--in fact, I'd likely suggest it. It would still be my frame.

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[–]d-rob33-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Obviously, the pussyshack is being remodeled, right?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t shit where you eat

[–]scorpionkg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cheat? Maybe not. But she don’t admires him. Low desire it is.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

MRP guy here.

The only way I see this as acceptable is hyphenated when they are doctors or lawyers and they had like a Father who was the same field and it helps their career.

Still feel like the man is being cucked.

[–]roughback2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That’s like getting married without all the paperwork and only having a ceremony. As long as our families know and meet and we make a verbal commitment in front of them we are married, right? Don’t need to change your last name or anything, and we don’t need to get the law involved.

That shit wouldn’t fly.

[–]bmw1999m32 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ironically with the way the laws are now, this might actually be the preferable form of marriage. But at that point it's moot and you might as well just be in a LTR.

[–]Whammywham0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not taking my last name isn’t something I’d accept. It definitely shows that she’s not all in and doesn’t respect you as a leader. She’s not more likely to cheat per se besides the fact that she’s not genuinely fully committed.

[–]HumbleTrees0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting question and interesting replies here gents. My ex wife didn't take my last name. Clue is right there. Ex wife.

[–]PIGamer860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My BIL married a woman with only two names. A first and last. Apparently her father did this with all the girls(4), insisting that now they’d only have to add the new last name after his. Now all the married girls in the family retain his name as a middle name. Weird.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes there are other factors at play. For example, one of my sisters was established in her career (yes, I know, I know, but that’s her husband’s problem). So she is “Ms Zaitzev” at work, and “Mrs. Smith” outside of work. They’ve been married for 15 years now, so I guess it’s going OK.

[–]HeungMinSwan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

hi, what happens if you, the male, actually prefer the wife's surname to your own as it sounds better, and ask to have her surname but for your own will?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is fine. My last name sucks. I would like a different one. It's still your frame.

[–]diogenesdooky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, definitely.

[–]LemonIggy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keeping a man's last name is part of tradition and usually a task that doesn't affect your life by much. My gf tells me everyday that she wants my last name and to be mine.

In their case they decided not to take their husbands last name, it could be either because she really loves the history of her last name or the pronunciation or because they just don't respect their husbands enough to see value in carrying their husband's last name.

Identify the patterns before your eyes and assume AWALT, that's what trp taught me...

[–]sstrelnikova10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm married and have not taken my husband's last name. He was adopted as a teenager and his adoptive family, particularly his mother and brother, have not treated me well - hell, they even treat him like dirt most of the time. I have refused since day 1 to share a name with that woman and there's not a chance in hell our kids will either. I am 100% on board with taking his birth last name, but he feels uncomfortable with it all of a sudden, so I am keeping mine. Just wanted to put a story out there from a slightly different perspective.

[–]Terdmuffin-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think without any actual research or statistics, anecdotal and speculative "evidence" is pretty worthless.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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