Wife of 6 months only just told me that she has debt

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December 31, 2019

It came up when we were arguing about when to try to have kids. (I want to start now, and she wants to wait til she's out of debt.) She just finished her studies and at some point during those studies (several years ago, before we were even engaged) she ran out of money and needed to get a loan. She hasn't said how much (I didn't ask), but that she can pay it off in 6 months with her new job, so potentially about 10-15k. I would have expected that to go into our joint bank account, and you know, towards a house or car or something unimportant like that. But now it will just be disappearing into thin air.

It explains why she was always so reluctant about joining our finances. But we talked about that before and after getting married, and she never said a word about her debt, and even (reluctantly) accepted my offer of a card with access to my bank account after the wedding, and started using it.

I don't have any debt. Funnily enough, she did loan me some money during my studies, because I had told her that I was running low and would need to get a loan, and she offered. I paid her back ASAP. So, I've been in exactly her situation, but I told her about it and even accepted help from her. So I don't really see any excuse for her behavior. She says she never told me because "it's my matter, not yours", and that she felt too ashamed to tell me.

What would you do in this situation? We are devout Catholics, so divorce is not on the table, only annulment in which you have to justify that a legitimate marriage didn't happen. I just know that the fact that she did not communicate with me about such an important thing feels to me like deception. So now I feel that I can't trust her, or at least in her ability to communicate. What if something else happens that she's too ashamed to tell me? At the moment I don't even want to be around her. But she didn't seem to realize the importance of what she was telling me when she mentioned the debt. Or she was just downplaying it. I don't know. Am I making too big of a deal out of this?

Edit: to be clear, we had agreed to join finances after the wedding. I brought this up and she said that she would pay the debt herself. I explained that if our finances were joined, then she is not earning money for herself, but for us. To which she had no response.

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Title Wife of 6 months only just told me that she has debt
Author DuffBude
Upvotes 8
Comments 61
Date 31 December 2019 11:30 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askMRP
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[–]part_wolf20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

Everyone else has already pointed out your shitty frame, your beta tendencies, and your poor leadership so I'm going to zero in on the trust issue.

From one Catholic to another, here's my question for you: what role do you believe trust plays in a marriage?

[–]DuffBude[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I guess the Catholic perspective is that the two become one. So I would think you should be able to trust them completely, and that's what makes it important to vet properly to find someone you can trust

[–]part_wolf3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

“Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.”

I thought your biggest problem was that you are a textbook true blue pill beta, but I was wrong. The simplest way to put this is that you’ve got a flawed idea of what marriage is, or should be. That’s your biggest problem.

You seem to think that marriage is about finding a good person, making sure they’re a good long-term fit, and then you decide to get married and all of a sudden - as if by magic - you place complete trust in each other.

That’s not how it works.

One of my friends put it very succinctly when he said, “marriage is just sharing your life with someone. that’s it.”

Trust is earned. If your wife doesn’t trust you, it’s probably because you aren’t worthy of her trust - or at least you haven’t earned it. Your role as a husband is to lead, and that means doing the work to be someone worthy of trust. Not just from your wife, but in all of your relationships. Not simply for your wife or for your marriage, but for yourself.

Are you a man who is worthy of trust?

Are you a man that your wife can look to to help understand her problems?

Are you a man who truly knows whether it’s best in a given situation to offer assistance, or simply support, or to do nothing and hope (or pray) that another person will find the right path for themselves?

You can’t change the fact that your wife kept something from you. In fact, you can’t control your wife at all. You can only influence her and lead her. She already told you why she kept the debt from you - she was ashamed. In my opinion, you handled the conversation poorly. All you had to do was remain calm and say, “this impacts both of us. I want you to be completely honest with me about the finances” and then shut the fuck up and wait for her to open up. It’s that simple. You didn’t do that, and so you missed a chance to be a leader and earn some trust. It sounds like you married a decent woman. It’s up to you to not fuck it up.

You’re well within your rights to tell her that you want her to be honest with you. But you can’t reasonably expect her to trust you if you haven’t earned it.

If your wife isn’t confident that you are pursuing your mission, you’re going to have a bad time. By the way, do you even have a mission beyond “having a big family”?

If your wife isn’t bought into your financial plan, you’re going to have a bad time.

If your wife doesn’t believe she can open up to you and be honest about something she’s ashamed about, you’re going to have a bad time.

Wanting a big family is fine, but how are you going to lead them? How are you going to provide for them and plan for their future? How are you going to attract and seduce your wife and get her pregnant? How are you going to lead them to a better life?

If you want to figure out your mission and answer those questions for yourself, I suggest you start with the sidebar.

[–]jonsmif97974 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP, make sure you drill this advice into your head.

[–]DuffBude[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You make good points. Thanks for the advice

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess the Catholic perspective

He wasn't asking for that. Are you even able to be your own protagonist?

and that's what makes it important to vet properly to find someone you can trust

You did vet, see where you ended up?

[–]hack3geRed Beret9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

If divorce is off the table you have already lost faggot - I bet it’s not off the table for her...

[–]UnbreakableFrame0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is the top comment here, believe it or not. Until she believes that there are boundaries she cannot cross and expectations that she must meet just to continue being with you, this kind of shit will happen.

[–]hack3geRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s only a boundary if you are willing to walk over it - otherwise you are just a little bitch whining to mommy that she makes you unhappy.

[–]2wo2wo3hree6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

It appears you have bigger problems in your marriage than this DEBT. You’re using this DEBT to justify your exit. I’m hesitant to even call this a Red Pill issue. To give you a red pill answer to your question is like giving a kid a grenade to kill an ant.

“It came up when we were arguing about when to try to have kids. (I want to start now, and she wants to wait til she's out of debt.)”

-First... Why are you arguing? There is never anything to argue about. Stop that shit. STFU.

-Women choose the man who suits to father their children by their own standards. This includes intellect, physical features, etc. Just think of a High Value Man. But right now, she’s denying your genes. To put it into perspective... If Wonder Woman was real... She would literally stop saving the world to have the baby of a High Value Man.

For right now, the denial of your genes is actually to your advantage because you’re seeing that she might not be for you. Think of it as a near miss.

“She hasn't said how much (I didn't ask), but that she can pay it off in 6 months with her new job, so potentially about 10-15k.”

-You’re 6 months in your marriage and you’re realizing that you failed to put your wife through a vetting process. Your ship has sailed and you’re not on it. You need to get back on your ship, (drunk) Captain.

While you stare off into the sunset, think about your next course and how you’ll navigate it with a crew member who brought a 15,000lbs elephant onboard.

Your options are... A.) Toss the crew member and elephant off your ship. B.) By your leadership, involvement, fortitude and intelligence... formulate a plan to make the elephant disappear. Whatever you choose has to be all in.

“She says she never told me because "it's my matter, not yours", and that she felt too ashamed to tell me.“

-It’s on your plate now. This is dwelling on the past. This helps nothing.

There is too much fluff in your situation. Shit that doesn’t matter. You’re hamstering too much shit that it’s making your decision making process femininely complicated. Simplify it.

Can you... Will you... Should you... Why should you... do what you need to do.

And then do it.

[–]RedPillGlasses1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wait. Is his wife the 15,000 pound elephant? Or was that my New Year’s Eve tinder slut that smelled like shame and cookies?

[–]DuffBude[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, I think you're onto something. The fact of the matter is that I want a big family. I wish I didn't, but it's the most central, lifelong purpose that I can truly find in myself. But we are both almost 30. I never did the math (about fertility etc) until after we were already making wedding plans. But I couldn't bring myself to do anything just based on that. Plenty of couples end up not being able to have children and it's something that you just have to accept I guess. But it doesn't stop me from being anxious to start. And I am probably now looking for excuses or other ways to "get it done" so to speak..

But you have a point. We have been together for 4 years. If she still doesn't want kids, I can only blame myself. There is a lot that I can still do to improve myself.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Caveat emptor.

These are symptoms of your extreme Nice Guy nature:

  • You're very hesitant to discuss any issues that might cause hurt feelings or upset her, such as her finances or when to have children, which is why you're only learning these things now.

  • Her reluctance to bring things up until shit hits the fan is a sign that she feels she must tread carefully to avoid triggering your butthurt over your nice guy hidden expectations and covert contracts.

  • You're teeming with covert contracts about how finances are shared, when to have kids, and so on.

Her finances and a few month's delay in having kids are immaterial in comparison with your Nice Guy behavior and mindset in the long term outcome of your marriage. Focus your attention not on the ever-worsening symptoms of your untreated Nice Guy disease, but on their cause.

[–]DuffBude[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good points, thanks

[–]Hugenstein4117 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy

It's nice that she expects to pay it off herself. Could have been her plan the entire time.

That makes sense as she didn't hide it then expect you to pay for it.

And the money doesn't disappear into "thin air" she used it to get a degree dumbass.

She's handling her shit and sounds like she has better frame than you do.

Maybe SHE's thinking about getting an annulment? Are you that big of a prize Mr. Insecure Butthurt?

You should have used this as an opportunity to encourage her to be open (honey this is a lie of omission) and to reinforce the good part which was her plan to herself pay off her very reasonable debt.

Now you've reinforced her hiding things because of your bitch ass tantrum.

In my humble opinion, that is. I'm not flared so take it with a grain of salt.

[–]part_wolf4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

No grain of salt needed, you nailed it.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should have used this as an opportunity to encourage her to be open (honey this is a lie of omission) and to reinforce the good part which was her plan to herself pay off her very reasonable debt.

Fucknut should have had this conversation up front, full disclosure. And not gotten married. That could have solved it all.

[–]Thegogetter2220 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yup, my stance while reading the post the entire time. Catholic or not, if he's willing to divorce over $10-15k and seeing it as "you know, going towards something unimportant", I can't imagine theres better offers for this gal out there.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup, my stance while reading the post the entire time. Catholic or not, if he's willing to divorce over $10-15k

It's not the money, man. She's either lied to him directly or by omission. Either is a sign of lack of respect. It's easy to see why.

[–]RStonePT-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hope she sees this bro

[–]FlyingSexistPig5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

It's probably a lot more than $10-$15,000.

It really puts your marriage off on the wrong foot, though, doesn't it? It seems to me that she doesn't think of you two as a team. She's not even willing to disclose student loan debt? This is a major red flag.

[–]scarmine342 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Not to mention it isn't her matter - it's theirs. And she knew that going in to the marriage.

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Debt acquired before the marriage is not shared debt.

But you'd only think of it that way if you were planning for the relationship to end. If that was your plan, then why get married in the first place?

[–]WesternhagenWinner1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is "shared" in the sense that she still has to pay it off, and to do so she has to use marital income, which then cannot be used for anything else. So she isn't paying it off, they are paying it off, regardless of whose bank account the payments come from.

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not if you're not married anymore. This was the whole point.

When you get divorced, you don't get your ex-wife's student loan debt unless she acquired that debt while you were married.

[–]scarmine340 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Not unless the had a prenup agreement stating that they didn’t acquire each other’s debt...

But yeah, I know why would you go in to a marriage planning to fail.

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You are incorrect.

source: went through a divorce. Didn't acquire my ex-wifes $100,000 debt.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Check your jurisdictions, a lot of places automatically do so, especially when theres co mingling of finances.

Him giving her a credit card would be just that

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That would be for debt acquired AFTER the marriage had started.

Yes, that is shared debt no matter what. She goes out and uses your good credit to buy a new Mercedes that you can't afford? Tough. It's shared debt.

Student loans might be a special class of debt vis-a-vis marriage/divorce is concerned, since you can't declare bankruptcy to get rid of it.

[–]Rogue684862 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your beta behavior is what will help transform your marriage within a few years into a shit storm that is worth posting on this forum. I wish my biggest problem was a wife owning her debt and a little insecurity on my part.

Join your finances. Help her pay down the debt. And lead. Quit trying to make things worse because you don't believe you deserve a decent relationship, and are sabotaging this one.

[–]DuffBude[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, you're probably right

[–]Onein1024th2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

and she never said a word about her debt, and even (reluctantly) accepted my offer of a card with access to my bank account after the wedding, and started using it.

I would use this opportunity to undo this and keep finances separate


If you ultimately believe in this marriage and want to have combined finances, I would use this to get her to admit she needs your help, thus turning over control of finances to you; of which you can delegate certain tasks to her.

BUT you HAVE to work on your frame. Make masculine frame your obsession. Read the sidebar religiously; get it on audiobook and listen at the gym. When you interact with a role model, study their frame. When you watch TV, watch movies with powerful male leads: John Wayne, Marlon Brando, Charlton Heston, Sean Connery, Clint Eastwood. When you interact with your wife, pay attention to the frame game, take notes (that's how I really learned, by writing down and analyzing notable interactions). And don't go all sperg-lord. Think Thor (after the first movie), not Loki.

[–]DuffBude[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, practical advice

[–]WolfofAllStreetz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude you sound like a real prize.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Short answer: Yes, you are making to big a deal of it.

What is the problem here.

She wants to keep finances seperate (GOOD)

She plans to pay it off by herself (GOOD)

She loaned you money when you needed it without bitching and whining about it (GOOD)

No big issue about it.

What is a problem from what you say is that I get the feelz you want to control the finances in order to control her.

You are mislabeling trust issues with your own butthurtedness over this.

To spew on about divorce over something this trivial reveals no understanding of the sidebar on your side. Some stoicism will do you good.

[–]wkndatbernardus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To me the red flag is that you are both practicing Catholics (which means no artificial contraception) but she doesn't want to have your children...yet. If you guys aren't having kids, you're probably not banging on the regs (unless there are fertility issues) and, if you aren't banging on the regs, you've got trouble, right here in River City.

Sure she deceived you, about a not inconsequential amount of money, but to me, you have bigger problems; i.e. your wife doesn't want to have your children even though, as Catholics, openess to life is the whole point of marriage.

[–]BillyRedRocks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What if she lied to you (again) and her debt it 8 godzillion dollars?

No, seriously what then?

And most importantly, why the fuck didn't you ask her how much is it?

[–]runningoutofshrimp1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

She borrowed some money to finish her studies, and she'll pay it off herself, from her own work, within 6 months to a year. Am I reading that right? I scanned.

What's the problem? You borrowed money in the same situation, FROM HER, and paid it back. She borrowed money from elsewhere, and will pay it back herself.

What exactly is your problem here? She's demonstrated more value than you have, unless I'm missing something.

She seems more red pill than you are, from this brief post.

[–]TheRedPillFinance2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is that she hid the debt from him. Hell, he still doesn't know how much it actually is. The $10-15K he referenced was a WAG on his part. Needless to say this kind of secrecy is a bad place to start the marriage and begs the question what else she might be hiding?

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[–]redwall920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You decided NOT to join finances. Why are you frustrated that she's NOT joining finances now? And maybe she'll use the money she earns to pay her bills? You sound like you want to be a white knight.

You offered her a card to your account. Did you offer it without strings? Or were you trying to buy something with that card of yours? Trust? Honestly? Fuck that bro. Stop trying to buy that shit. Either your wife is trustworthy and honest ... or she's not. Make your own choices according to your own values.

Have you read No More Mister Nice Guy???

Dude ... slow the roll. If a woman wants to pave her own way, don't take it so personal.

The trust issue ??? Sure ... I hear you. But you made the decision to NOT join finances. If this was such a big deal to you, then you should have asked. So ... what are you really angry about?

If I was your wife I would hate to be stuck with you. Sounds like you're going to be on the lookout for the next thing you can be angry about her past over ... blame her for not telling you her entire life story ... and then hold it over her head and hope you can get out of a marriage you walked straight into with eyes wide open.

Stop arguing about money, kids, whatever. It sounds like you've only been married for six months ... and you're Catholics!! Did you guys bang before marriage? Because, if you didn't, and if you're arguing about this shit already ... wow. Just wow. I thought most devout Catholics banged like rabbits and popped kids out left and right for a few years.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guess the only question is whether this is a lie you can live with.

so divorce is not on the table, only annulment in which you have to justify that a legitimate marriage didn't happen

your only tool is your feet, and you just admitted you won't use em. So basically you gotta do whatever dance you wanna do then just suck it up and do what she wants.

[–]No_Potential604050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

this is so simple, it is not even funny

SHE LIED. Your marriage is predicated on a lie. There is no marriage here.

Divorce and move on. do NOT co-mingle finances with her

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just know that the fact that she did not communicate with me about such an important thing feels to me like deception.

That's because it is. You might take this over to RP Christians. Around here we're going to see this as major disrespect because you were a bitch and didn't warrant any respect. This is all on you.

You need to take the L on this one and get her to agree to a plan to pay it off. If you don't establish frame now you're doomed to a life of misery. Start posting in OYS, read the resources we have assembled for you on MRP, and try not to be such a bitch.

[–]mrpthrowa-2 points-1 points  (15 children) | Copy

You are white knight saviour beta bux literally paying her to get pregnant. You’re so revolting and beta she doesn’t want your genes.

Get out while you can, before her debts become shared. This is not a relationship that can last.

Take some time off to improve yourself and reflect on your poor vetting

Also fuck being so devout that you are held to that standard, while she was perfectly happy entrapping you with her debt. 15k - fuck

Get the fuck out, life is too short

[–]part_wolf1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

Poor vetting? Really?

This guy married a woman who has her shit together and doesn't expect him to throw his money at her problems. She's savvy enough not to get pregnant until she knows she can support a child. She's reluctant to spend his money and she even helped him out financially. She's also a religious woman with (presumably) some decent morals. She even agreed to marry the fucking guy and enter into a social contract with tangible consequences for adultery.

This guy's problem isn't his vetting. If he wasn't such a massive beta, she would be obsessed with him putting a baby inside of her.

[–]mrpthrowa2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy

What kind of idiot marries without finding out shit like debt?

Fuck that shit about morals and religion. If you truly believe it I have a pill to sell you

Aren’t catholics supposed to be stoned for birth control or something?

[–]part_wolf0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

What kind of idiot marries without finding out shit like debt?

A Catholic one.

It's easy to criticize something that one doesn't understand.

[–]mrpthrowa1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

Go on tell me why being catholic gives you a vetting pass

[–]part_wolf2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

It doesn't. What I'm trying to say - and I'm doing a poor job of it - is that I can understand how he got himself into this mess. The structure of Catholicism indoctrinates young men in such a way that they turn into massive betas almost by design. It's possible to be a Catholic and avoid the beta bullshit, but this guy clearly isn't on that path. Ask me how I know.

I stand by what I said about his biggest problem not being the vetting. Check out his post history. His biggest problem is that he's a massive beta with no mission or direction.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

betas almost by design

I've alluded to how religion IS the Blue Pill. I would say New Testament books in particular. Altruism is the Blue Pill, and Altruism is the message of Christ. QED.

[–]part_wolf0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I can understand why you'd say that, and I'm not the best person to argue the merits of religion. However, I can speak in terms of what I believe.

I believe each of us has to find our own path, and for some of us God is part of that. He is not the mission or the end, but a mechanism by which I derive my inspiration.

Churches and religions are social constructs, and are therefore fallible. For a mortal person (or group of people) to claim they alone can understand and interpret the teachings of God and Jesus is, in my opinion, a sin of hubris and vanity. I said I was Catholic, but I never said I was good at it. I believe it's possible to separate belief and spirituality from religion to a degree.

I intend to pursue my mission and achieve what I want because it's what I believe I was created to do, and I believe God is with me on that path.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Go get 'em sparky.

[–]redwall921 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

The poor vetting is only a problem because he doesn't own it.

If mixed finances was a big deal to him, then he should have made that clear up front. He made the decision it wasn't a big deal, and now he wants it both ways. It a fucking huge deal that he's willing to divorce or die over??!!

If her debt was possibly such a big deal, then he should have vetted ... either that or be willing to work out a plan moving forward - assuming she even wants help with her debt plan moving forward. Great opportunity for leadership here has been missed IMO.

If there are other topics that are of this nature to OP ... of the nature that he's consider divorce or suicide ... then that's on HIM to own.

He failed to vet according to his own values; and he doesn't own that - he wants her to own it. That's what I see.

[–]part_wolf1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

He failed to vet according to his own values; and he doesn't own that - he wants her to own it. That's what I see.

I agree with you. In fact, I agree with mrpthrowa up until the point where he's saying "get the fuck out."

Here's what I see: a Catholic beta retard stumbled his way into a marriage with a decent woman.

He's in a better position than half of the guys that post here. If he had any conviction about his values or a mission, he could Own His Shit (u/DuffBude take note, this is a big hint), apply the lessons from the sidebar, and fix virtually every "problem" that he's trying to blame on his wife. Hell, he might even end up with a happy marriage.

But he won't. Six months in and he wants to take the easy way out and divorce her. That's a big Catholic no-no, and he's struggling with that. He's trapped in a prison of his own design, that he walked right into, and he's screaming "this wasn't part of the deal!" This man is no man at all.

OP subscribes to the notion that if you're simply a "good Catholic" then you'll have a good marriage, and that's just not the way it works. Being a Catholic doesn't exempt you from the laws of nature (hypergamy, and AWALT).

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What would suggest decent woman? Op said absolutely nothing about her by that she was a liar with debt and refuses to father his children on a schedule he would love.

It's almost like one considers all women wonderful regardless of how they act

[–]part_wolf0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If it sounds like I'm putting her up on a pedestal it's because I believe her SMV is much higher than OP's. This is all second hand and speculation, so I could easily be wrong about her.

The fact that she's reluctant to spend his money and doesn't expect him to throw his money at her problems. She's savvy enough not to get pregnant until she knows she can support a child, which is wise. She's even helped the guy out financially. These seem like positive traits.

Honestly, I think she's exhibiting this behavior because she realized too late that she married a beta and therefore she seems scared of his reactions and fearful to trust him. I assume she's an average woman, and she needs an alpha to be the woman she's capable of being. AWALT.

[–]wkndatbernardus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Solid explanation. If you didn't grow up in a solidly Catholic environment, it's hard to understand the beta juice boys are raised on and how they expect the world to play nice since they follow all the rules for life set out by the Church. It's a gigantic covert contract with God that can have disastrous effects. Ask me how I know.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, hi, local bitch boy here, I just got some bad news, I was wondering should I use it to cut and run ?

I made a commitment, to a fucking liar no less, but don’t know how to deal with it, so I’ll just get an annulment .

God forbid I lead, and we knock this shit out together.

However, since I lack frame, I’m sure a deadbedroom is headed my way, cause this really ain’t shit, especially when the kids come, but I’m devout.

I just don’t know what the fuck to do.

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