They're all virgin neckbeards. Couldn't get laid to save their lives.
I consider it somewhat ironic on a meta level, that the people saying this don't themselves see the irony.
Recently we were deemed the most bigoted subreddit on this site. And of course the usual insults began to fly. We are, as everybody knows, just a bunch of sexless, angry, nobodies.
I'm hoping I've caught the attention of at least a few new people taking a peek to see what we're about. You're probably hoping to find evidence to support the popular opinion- that we should be chided or ignored.
The reason we are here and the reason we don't care about the insults are one in the same: Because joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.
The irony sorely lost on the masses is in the call for equality, anti-bigotry, and whatever other causes your average social justice warrior stands up for. The public has doubled down and taken up the very weapons they decry. Shame and scorn against those they disagree with. Sexual shame in retribution for valuing sex. Smooth.
They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.
But they've got the order of operations down wrong.
I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.
But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!
Right?
I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted. The fact is, for most of our lives, we've come to accept that we are not sexually desirable to most (or all) women. Our advances left us crushed and depressed, were treated as creepy or worse than murder. Our relationships left us broken or broke. Our marriages crumbled. If you listen to pop culture, and believe everybody finds their special somebody, then we must have been the outcasts.
The fact that commenting on our lack of sexual success is inherent in all public dismissal of us (virgin neckbeards) should help put this into perspective- even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?
I don't really buy the rationale that it does matter to be a man. But I do recognize that sex will still be important to men nevertheless. And so here I support such a hypothesis, and behold, 102,000 men in two years have flocked. You can dismiss us, our views, and theories. But you cannot dismiss the common need and problem that brought us together.
I want to back up a little bit, and address the idea that we're social outcasts.
Now, you'd think, every gender and every group has their outcasts. Looking back at highschool, there were always those fringe groups that didn't quite get along. Some banded together in their unpopularity and played dungeons and dragons or wore funny looking clothing. So what's the red pill? Just a group of pimply-faced nerds who never learned to talk to women?
That's the problem here- the reason for our corner of the internet. It affects more than just the pimply-faced nerds, more than the short guys, more than the fat, the skinny, or the ugly.
The changes to inter-gender relations over the past 30 years have started to affect all of us.
You can see it in the declining marriage rates, in the studies that show dissatisfaction among both genders in relationships, the sky-high divorce rates, and the endless stories of custody battles and alimony cases. The school shootings and the male suicide rate, the gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns. The declining rate of male college graduates and the women who don't care. The single mothers, and the children who hate men.
We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.
We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.
And we've all been affected by the changing environment.
And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.
Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.
It's up to you how you're going to deal with this information.
A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.
I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect? It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice. Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice. Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.
It's been said before, and I'll say it again:
"The Red Pill is the radical notion that women are people."
They are not special snowflakes. They do not have an inherently predisposed tendency towards chastity, towards compassion, towards loyalty, towards affection, towards empathy or towards any other righteous quality that the feminine imperative society tells us that women have.
See, this is what outsiders now define as misogyny. Any time a man calls one of the aforementioned qualities into question regarding women, we are told that we are bigots who 'hate women', simply because we are suspicious of their motivations and inclinations. No, we are simply stating that women can have motivations that are just as selfish, deceitful, and ruthless (maybe moreso) as the motivations that men can harbor.
Yes, when a woman divorce-rapes her husband and takes his kids from him for no other reason than "unhaaaapy", she is a fucking self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.
Yes, when a woman leads a man on into orbiter-zone, dangling a false carrot of implied future sexual relationship, only to get him to buy things and do things for her, she is a self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.
When a man musters the balls to approach a woman, and she publicly ridicules him, shames him, and nuclear rejects him for her own self amusement, rather than just a polite "no thanks", she is a narcissistic cunt with no regard for the feelings of other people. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.
In all three of these examples, these are the same exact judgments that I'd levy against a man who engaged in the same behaviors.
After all...women are people.
What makes people call us misogynists though is not that we call out the women that do those awful things, but rather that we claim that all women have the potential/tendency to do those things (AWALT). Again, like your first comment, women are people too and it's not like we would be feminists if we said that men have the potential to sleep with new women constantly and never commit and be aggressive to get what they want and other things that society claims is bad for men to do. We simply are stating the truth of social interactions. People often can't handle the truth and therefore lash out in denial and anger.
I'd say AWALT is only about 30% of the reason people call us misogynists. While we assume that most people put women on a pedestal but think all men are potential scumbags (AMALT), the reality is that for the most part people believe their fellow humans (man or woman) are either good or bad. They reject the idea that in the right situation all people would be ruthlessly self-interested because we live in a society that seldom forces people down that road. So when we say AWALT in their minds we're challenging that belief for women but not for men. Instead of AWALT we should say "everyone is self-interested;" if women are people, too, unnecessarily focusing this idea on women just invites misunderstanding.
The other 70% of the reason we're viewed as misogynists is that we use emotionally charged language to describe women and our interactions with them. TRP is all about reason over emotion; one key aim here is to avoid willfully misunderstanding the world simply because it feels good. Unthinkingly referring to women as "whores," "bitches," "sluts," saying women are children, saying they "hamster," and generally being derisive in our descriptions of them are all examples of using emotionally-charged rhetorical techniques in place of taking the time to accurately describe our ideas. It's no different from calling black people "niggers" or "coons" -- you aren't rationally describing why you're criticizing them, you're taking a lazy, emotional shortcut to connect with other people who feel the same negativity about them. It's not "calling it like it is;" it's intentionally using less precise terminology because it feels better. The widespread use of such emotional language has no place on a sub that prides itself on its rationality.
I wish I could give you gold right now. This comment needs to be saved.
reading this made me realize... this is not a group of people who don't get sex... but of emotional men who got hurt by women
the primary motivation behind this is to understand women (usually by explaining their actions as raw selfinterest) and not get hurt again.
how often does this happen? real talk son, rejection is never that bad. you're scaring fellas from approaching women if you say shit like this lol. Even if it bad, good. Don't take it personally and learn from it. Take responsibility, and realise that you might have come across in a weird way for example.
"We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist."
We are here because of feminism. We're here to take from them what they tried to take from us: purpose.
Agent Smith lines aside, what our detractors and critics fail to realize is that the Red Pill is an emergent property of a preeminent problem. That is, the ever-increasing encroachment of male subjugation, expendability, disrespect, and sexual constriction.
We didn't wake up one morning and collectively decide to call women on their bullshit because misogyny, we suffered through our early lives doing what women and television told us to do and decided to do things the successful way: our way.
Their hamsters are stuck in a loop while we decided to get somewhere using our own two feet as sovereign individuals whose prerogative is to find satisfaction in our lives on our terms.
They don't hate us for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us. They've become so entrenched in their narcissism that the notion of using effort and offering value beyond their pussy is heresy itself.
A man who cannot be controlled by sex cannot be used by women, and the idea of the chickens coming home to roost scares the shit out of them.
The irony though is that many of us don't care about women that much anymore, we just want to be free to enjoy our own slice of pie in peace. We are giving ourselves the respect we were denied by people who offered rhetoric instead of solutions.
Fuck them, I've got my own life to live.
I wish TRP bot was working because that's a great point. ♂
I'll manually point him.
If he struggles I'm a developer in many languages, I can help you fix it.
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If you think you can fix it- PRAW was upgraded to match reddit api upgrade, so now the code is broken and I haven't had time to fix it.
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"our own slice of pie."
This is where I am now. I went from actually fantasizing about a wife, house, kids to wondering what life would be like if it was just house, and realizing it is a very legitimate option.
My own slice...i don't like watching movies as much anymore. Or TV. I don't want to read the news or Facebook statuses. Anything "trending" is probably shit.
I can't handle the idiocy and the sensationalism over nothing.
I don't know how "women are more than their dress" can be in the news one day, and some girl singer's latest fashion choice in the next.
I don't want this crap in my slice of pie. I just want to do what I need to do to be the man I wanna be and not be fed this bs anymore.
And the fact that it's what "most" people care about is just as upsetting.
Reading this reminds me of a book I read recently, "Empire of Illusion". By Chris Hedges. Fantastic book. It has a similar morality and belief to red pill, but more focused on the lies and how they're affecting society as a whole rather than the sexual strategy bent red pill takes. Though my favorite chapter is "the illusion of love" which delves into the porn industry.
Thanks dude i will read that, because previous comment just stuck me. I am feeling the same thing ! I am sick of tv with stupidity and nakedness everywhere. Every piece of shit has now a golden wrapper... Music books movies are nothinb new etc...
+1 Chris Hedges is absolutely brilliant, a Pulitzer Prize winner who was kicked out of the NYT for asking questions. A true people's champion. He's one of the few clear voices on the (true) Left these days.
This is what i raged earlier this week. Probably used too many fucks... Oh well, but i read you and sometimes i feel that i should just watch the world burn without moving a finger...
"A man who cannot be controlled by sex cannot be used by women, and the idea of the chickens coming home to roost scares the shit out of them." - very nice, very empowering to hear other men out there feel the same!
And yet you'll soon see on those same boards threads from men that doesn't know how to get a grip on their lives, and prefers to pretend that all men are sexual slaves and that they phisically need sex or some other bullshit. Hamstering to cover laziness or helplessness.
Excellent points all around.
I'd like to add that our society tells men that we're weak for showing compassion or emotion. Frankly, I find that disgusting. Men have a right to all emotional ranges and the right to express those emotion in anyway they choose (as long as it's not a danger to others).
A lot of men when they come to TRP are angry and they have a full right to be! For one reason or another the system that was supposed to provide and support them failed, those men (us) weren't getting what we needed to have a happy life.
For me, one of the great things about TRP is that it brings me (and others) peace and serenity. When a man is willing to accept his mistakes and work to better himself and his situation it will calm him. When a man subsequently see progress from bettering himself he feels serenity.
We're not physically violent and we're not emotionally abusive, we're here to make ourselves no longer need the system and to not need to rely on others.
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I no longer care what a woman thinks of me. I care what I think of me and care about what I feel a man should be.
I never cared about the opinion of others that is no way to live but god the friends I've made.....you're too loud, you're drawing too much attention, you're being obnoxious......care to guess who was smiling and who had a closed face? I never cared for the judgment of someone I won't see again
That's fine, just be aware of how others will react and don't expect the world to change to fit your own definition of what an attractive man should or shouldn't be. That is the problem with the feminists and fat acceptance advocates.
Only men with low/lower SMV. They will rationalize emotional range from a man with high SMV.
A high SMV man might have a higher 'threshold' for showing emotional range, but it's not much.
It also depends on how close you are. If you've demonstrated your value consistently and you open up your emotions about something to your LTR or wife they generally wouldn't lose respect for you.
It isn't recommended to go to them first, or do it often, but you're relatively safe if you do it wisely. I think one of the big points is that they don't want to see you distraught and dependent. If you open up about something serious but use the correct wording and posturing it can sound far from needy and weak.
The thing is, women don't get close to men with low SMV. The orbiters will think they are close to them, but they aren't.
I agree that people close to you will tolerate more emotion than strangers. But when a man displays a wider emotional range, it's perceived as weakness. Period. No SMV will change the fact that men are allowed fewer emotions than women. Both sexes find emotional displays from men unsavory. I do it too, I either can't or won't help myself. Being emotional feels wrong. I just want to solve the problem, not linger on it.
This also affect people close to you. It's deeply embedded in our perception of what a man should be. A rock (both physically and emotionally). It's even visible in the way we differentiate the emotional care we give to our children. Young boys will be picked up later than young girls, we give the boys a second before we act. The attention given to them when they experience pain (like falling off a bike) is less than that of young girls. This is information from studies that's just about to reach the surface of mainstream media.
Here are a few links that scratches the surface:
Psycology Today: Adolescence and Physical Affection with Parents
William Pollack: Real boys
(This is an oldie) Lois Wladis Hoffman and Martin L. Hoffman: Review of Child Development Research, Volume 1
"As noted earlier, girls receive considerably more affection and less physical punishment than boys."
I'm having trouble finding the more recent studies underlining the difference. I hope some of you can help me find them.
In closing, it's a huge problem and definitely something we should work on as a society. But right now, male emotional displays count as weaknesses.
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If you've read this far down into this tangent and you're new to TRP (as this post was likely to attract you), it's important to grasp the following point as I feel the past few comments are missing on something HUGE that is a pillar of the Red Pill.
Saying society is wrong for treating, raising, and valuing men in a way that suppresses their emotions is the same shit as Feminism trying to denounce society for valuing women for their youth, faithfulness, and pleasant attitude. You can't hope and bitch away reality. It is what the fuck it is.
Deny it all you want, live your life as a blubbering emotional basket case and declare "i'm a strong independent MAY-uhn who don't need no woman, and I can cry when I want to" and enjoy the same reaction from women that men would give to a hambeast feminist who says "i'm a strong independent womyn who don't need no man, and I can fuck as many dudes as I want and put off a family for some shit career and still have everything in the end."
The Red Pill is not about what you wish the world would be like, it is about accepting and embracing reality for what it is and modifying your behavior and awareness to produce an outcome that best aligns with your values and desires.
The world can't be "wrong" for being the way it is, it is not a person, it is an emergent state of consequences. The only thing that can be wrong is your expectations of it. Know this and behave accordingly.
There's talking about how you feel with a view to solving your problem.
There's saying nothing about your problem and letting it fester inside.
And then there's talking endlessly about it and crying.
Of these responses, I think the second is the dysfunctional male response, and the third is the dysfunctional female response. I believe the first response is the best way to deal with any issue you have, and that goes for men and women.
By letting your emotions fester inside, they remain undefined and all consuming. By talking endlessly about your problems you start self-victimising, and fairly soon you enter the path of self-matyrdom. Talking about your problem with a view to solving it helps you to see the issue more clearly, and you'll gain empathy from other people.
Just like women have every right to be fat, shrill, bitchy slobs. They just need to understand it will not attract men.
Go ahead. Just dont expect it to be attractive to the other sex.
Vulnearbility can be valuable, but only if coming from a man who is percieved as strong and is choosing to be vulnerable.
Unless you're a 106 year old vampire that glitters in the sunlight. Then it's fuckin sexy.
Here's the thing. Men have a right to the full range of emotions. However, that doesn't mean that people won't still perceive you as weak for showing them. The right to do something is also the responsibility to bear the consequences.
Law 30 states "make your accomplishments seem effortless". There is a difference between experiencing emotion (nobody can entirely stop that unless they have a mental disorder) and showing it (anyone can hide their true feelings). By hiding your emotions, your anger, your hurt, people will see you as unfazable, as untouchable by worldly setbacks. By hiding your happiness and weakness, your will pique the curiosity of women, who want to be able to be "the one to make you open up". By allowing yourself to feel emotions, but not showing it, by adopting a calm, stoic perspective, you will become a more powerful person.
Yes, men suffer alone, but that makes them stronger. I neither need nor want the pity of people who do not understand me.
That fine. I find it perfectly acceptable for some people to perceive my display of emotion as a weakness. To me personally, I find the loss of emotional control as a weakness.
For example, I think it's perfectly acceptable to display anger; but believe it's a lose of emotional control to allow anger to overwhelm you to the point where you physically lash out violently. I find it perfectly acceptable to be unhappy or cry if you've experienced some sort of sorrow; but I find it to be a lose of emotional control if you roll around kicking and screaming on the ground.
Again, I understand that people in our society believe male emotion to be a weakness ... I just no longer allow their thoughts to influence my life. It's a personal choice that each man must make.
When you are showing emotions you are earning yourself a shit test, period. There are only so many shit tests you can survive and you've got to pass pretty much all of them. So you can show your emotions but each time you are getting a shit test for it within a few weeks.
I enjoy setting up shit tests with emotionality, only to crush them mercilessly with teasing and dread game. It comes from the Temujin Khan school--big emotional ups & downs. It's fun & sharpens the dark triad chops.
It sounds harsh, but I've seen it in practice more than once, from someone I thought was the sweetest girlfriend ever. It really shocked me...
I enjoy setting up shit tests with emotionality, only to crush them mercilessly with teasing and dread game. It comes from the Temujin Khan school--big emotional ups & downs. It's fun & sharpens the dark triad chops.
We must be able to release our emotions from time to time. Showing them to much may be seen as weakness, however not expressing your emotions at all can (and often will) lead to psychological problems.
It is up to you when, where and how to show your emotions.
As far as I was aware, that's a myth. Expressing a given emotion makes you more likely to express it, and nothing more. You don't, "bottle anger up".
Agreed. Those that I see in life that always feel they need to vent (men and women alike) seem to be the ones that complain the most and struggle the most with their issues. Those that do their best to take it in stride seem to have the fewest problems in their lives.
Now it's obviously not that simple because there is selection bias (not everyone is dealing with the same amount of problems), but it does seem that the more one allows their emotions to vent, the more frequently they feel it's acceptable to vent them.
I never thought about it before, but it actually makes perfect sense. Got any links for further reading?
I would say that's a big claim. Any sources?
Having personally done a lot of self work over the decades, I would say that the key to handling emotions successfully is allowing oneself to fully feel them while calmly observing their passage. The consequence of not doing this is a kind of a chronic body tension resulting in a kind of muscle "armour".
That's why you lift. I come out of every workout feeling like I just 'went the distance'. It's a spiritual experience if your workouts are that intense.
Definitely! Everytime I feel stressed I go to the gym, you feel amazing after a good workout. To channel your emotions (and stress) into something is great, everyone should have some kind of outlet.
Absolutely. However, one must also be aware of how society views things. TRP has a very "fuck PR" stance, which is a fantastic thing for filtering out those not ready to have a mature discussion about it, but individually we must be more shrewd. Society still frowns on open displays of emotion from men, so we should endeavour not to give them.
If you have disconnected then that is good for you, but I number among the men who do not wish to do so right now, so I must tread more carefully.
all rights are responsibilities, though.
Tell that to the people who advocate for such “rights". They promote the “right" to sleep around, but not the responsibility to accept the lowered desirability that comes with it. They promote the “right" to equal pay, but not the responsibility to work equally hard for it.
I wouldn't have made the statement if it was redundant. It should be so, but such truisms are being deliberately erased by those with a stake in ensuring their own irresponsibility.
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What I find most disturbing about this whole thing is the total lack of self-awareness women seem to have of their own actions. Their capacity to express one belief and then follow the direct opposite within the span of a conversation makes me question their intelligence or even sentience. It's such a mindfuck.
You and me both.
I recently made a post that talked about this same thing, healthy emotional processing is necessary to becoming a healthy, independent human being.
This is one of the best posts I've read in a while.
Bravo sir.
Fantastic post. It reminded me of the quote from Fight Club:
I subscribed to respond to this:
Much of concern with women today, is they too were also raised by single mothers.
Exactly. Learning from women who learned from women about what a man should be. So far removed from an original source it's laughable.
This is what I needed today. Thanks.
And I can, have and did get laid- and that's part of my problem. If I never was able to land a woman I would be in a large paid-off house with a nice retirement fund thinking if I want to work until 55 or 65.
But I got some and I got stupid. And part of that stupid was thinking I could use my wallet to fix my relationships. Now I know that is not the case.
People fear what can't be controlled. Its that simple. We don't buy into the bullshit and that's scary. It doesn't mean we hate women. It doesn't mean we're racist or bigoted or whatever else people claim. It just means we see things for what they are.
This... all of this. Thank you.
This is so inspiring.
I would totally raise my sword and follow you to death in battle if you said that from a pedestal.
so you are saying we got off the hamster wheel and had a look around the cage?
Male here, 22, TRP has helped me get over my ex GF and understand my own value. I love myself, and I love women even more now because I understand them and their natural instincts.
It's been said before and should be said again, TRP is not anti-woman. People who believe so are the real bigots, since they never read up on the quality posts here.
Truth. The intolerant will always find ways to twist meanings to suit their agenda. At it's core TRP is not anti-anything. Simply Pro-you.
The problem of anti-X movements is they never have a defined end-game. Hooray, we removed racism, communism, friendzone and the nation of Finland, what now?
Case in point is MADD. The founder of the organization left because she felt it was more concerned with perpetuating itself than celebrating the success it has had. It continually needs to move the goal posts in order to have something to be Against.
MADD stopped being about "anti drunk driving" a long time ago. They are now just as corrupt a political lobby with a self-serving agenda as any other lobby.
'The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.'
The whole raising the drinking age thing really pisses me off. Well over 90% of drunk drivers are in their 20's or older. From anything I've seen, kids that are 16-21 are more scared to drive after drinking because they're are younger, less experienced, and know they could lose their license instantly.
The problem is the culture around alcohol not the laws. People don't crave alcohol or hurt themselves with it nearly as much in Europe as the United States. It's introduced earlier with parents around, and it's understood that it's nothing special. 21st birthdays are glorified in the United States. Kids even go to Canada when they turn 19. Teens get black out drunk at weekend parties because it's a forbidden fruit and they are taught that they can't easily get it, so they might as well drink as much as possible.
Fuck MADD. Its name, as if "mothers" makes your concerns more important than everyone else's. Its policies. Any group that wants to make laws and fuck with my life based on their emotions and feelings instead of logic and facts really pisses me off. Fuck them. I started having beers with my dad while working around the house when I was ~15. Wine with dinner sometimes. Drinks on holidays. I'm far better off for it. I still get hammered sometimes but I never had that attitude that some kids have towards it.
In my hometown, I dealt with MADD constantly to try to get music festivals and concerts going with the support of other local organizations. It was going to mean more publicity and more ticket sales if we could convince parents that it was a safe environment.
Every time we tried to contact them, they chose to not reply to our correspondence. Instead, they would always go to the newspaper, drum up some drama about how we are trying to be secretive, refusing to talk to them, and make a bunch of wild accusations about the nature of our events. It was exhausting.
They had no interest in whether or not we were being safe. They were only interested in using our events as opportunities to build up controversy and give them a public venue to display their concern for all the community to see. Fucking useless people.
Really? I am interested in this? Can you point to any examples about how they are furthering a feminist agenda? I'm going to google them and do some research, but I had no idea they turned full SJW.
raising the drinking age to 21... how did they celebrate that, with cake?
Go north, drinking age is 19 in most Canada, 18 in Quebec last I checked anyways.
People hear/see only what they want hear/see
It's easy enough for newbies to come here and find examples of men bad mouthing women and not being shamed and reprimanded for it. TRP veterans recognize that anger and bruised ego is only part of the first uncomfortable stages of swallowing the Pill and so let it lie. This is a safe place.
I'm not anti-women, I am anti-feminist. The problem is that feminists can't tell the difference and refuse to acknowledge that not all feminists are women and not all women are feminists.
Perhaps I am just anti-stupid, which is what really pisses off feminists when they are still on about earning 78 cents on the dollar or whatever mendacious/ignorant number it is they are throwing out this time around.
I've never had any particular problem meeting women, having sex partners or - hey - even falling in a love a few times. However, after 3 years at a left coast law school and then 4 years as a divorce attorney I said "fuck this". I was sick of all the feminist bullshit and having to tell fathers, "sorry man the system is rigged against you."
I tore up my shingle, moved to China, and now this really pisses the feminists off that I am having sex with women who are younger, prettier, have one quarter the divorce rate and one sixth the obesity rate. And now that their sexless neckbeard insult has been proven as untrue as the "gender wage gap", what is their reply?
Are you delusional, bitch? Before law school I spent ten years in the military doing explosive demolitions. You think some cow with a gender studies degree intimidates me?
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Got a good kick out of this. I think about my own military service and all the places I've been and traveled to, and all the struggles of my life every time I see one of these people furiously spinning wheels with their useless education. Undisciplined, self-righteous, shrill, entitled, and seeing no correlation between their feminist beliefs and their own disastrous level of unattractiveness.
Thank you for your service.
Appreciated. Of course the irony is that I spent a decade preparing to fight the commies, and now I sort of is one!
Chimo
Have a fucking up upvote brother.
You should be a motivational speaker, that rant got me ready for battle.
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I sort of joke that there are two types of prostitutes: those you pay to get into bed and those you pay to go away after. Whenever you read a celebrity scandal about some rich guy caught with a hooker, it will be the second type.
I think a number of contributors have commented here about always be doing things as part of the attraction and maintenance of a woman. And others will say that your woman will try to take control of thing and if you let them, that is a role reversal that spells death.
Woman can do, in theory, do just about any career but they should be judged by and held to the same standards that men have been for the last 6000 years of recorded history.
This is interesting, can you confirm gender? Because people will point to this as a sexless man pretending. But I will comment about a particular girls look, specially in movies, magazines, events, just not in a sexual tone, more of beauty appreciation
Oh, duh...you're asking me to "confirm gender" because you apparently don't believe I'm a girl?? Whatever, guy. If you don't want to believe me, then don't. I'm not here trying to prove something. Just wanted to show a (non traditional) females perspective. Relax....
LOL! That was awesome! I'm saving that rant and with your permission I might use that on some other forums.
Use it, and here is the addendum: I was a geek in high school and I could not pay a girl to piss on me if I wanted to. Then I unplugged: got a haircut, better clothes, contact lenses, joined the army and formed a rock band. That transition showed me just how vacuous society - and women in particular - can be. Blue pill says "be yourself"; Red pill says "be the person you are meant to be".
Excellent post, sir. Curious, how are you earning money in China? Early retirement?
I teach but I have some other business opportunities coming down the pipe that I hope will let me retire early.
I would say you are "anti-fake feminist," since real feminists are pro-men as well as pro-women. If this sub just shifted a bit semantically we could avoid being seen as bigots quite a bit.
No True Scotsman yada yada. Who gives a shit a about how we are seen from the outside?
It only matters to the extent that there are a lot of guys on the "outside" being fed all the feminist nonsense and then a bunch of abusive vitriol on top of that to inoculate them from coming down the rabbit hole and deciding for themselves what the real deal is.
Which of these
true Scotsman"real feminists" are you talking about? The ones who slashed funding to prostate cancer research while keeping breast cancer research, despite the former causing more deaths? The ones who have overseen the institution of no fault divorce, vociferously oppose shared parenting, and then tax child support in the hands of the man before it is given to the woman to spend? The ones who have pushed for common law marriage reform such that the guy ends up married by stealth and then loses half his house when she leave? The ones who push for more women's shelters while opposing any funding going to men's shelters while the former already outnumber the latter by a dozen to one? The one's who invented "battered woman syndrome" so they can kill their husband in his sleep and then claim self defense? The ones who have overseen an education system that is failing boys and young men?I could go on - lord knows we do around here - but are these the real feminists or the fake feminists running the show while the pro-men feminists hide ninja-like, not to be seen?
You only got half of this bro. Homeless men outnumber homeless women by about 4:1, yet women's shelter still get the funding advantage.
Part of the reason this sub, and the whole, "manosphere" concept exists is to point out that despite pretense, this is very much not in fact the case.
There's a reason egalitarians tend not to call themselves "feminists." Self-proclaimed feminists are known for spending the overwhelming majority of their effort on behalf of women's rights issues, and as long as that remains the case, they'll continue to be associated with women's rights specifically. No dictionary definition can change that reality.
Anti feminist now days is anti 3rd and 4th wave feminism no one is against women having rights and voting
What people can't understand is that TRP isn't misogynistic, it's sexist. It deals with the reality that men and women have different desires, strengths, and weaknesses and discusses the consequences of those differences.
The thing is, being sexist is not evil. Nature is sexist. Science is sexist. Dealing with the world without taking gender into account cannot result in a complete picture of gendered relationships. Funny how it's always the science and nature documentaries that mirror what is said in TRP. Science and nature are sexist.
I have been called a misogynist so many times I can't even count. Every time I have responded that I am not, that I like women, and truly enjoy their company, but I don't eat bullshit, no matter how pretty the server, nor whether the utensil is lead or gold.
Exactly, the haters use low-quality posts and out-of-context quotes to disqualify TRP.
Many of which are planted by our opponents.
The albums of screenshots they usually parade around are from mods or endorsed contributors or comments handsomely upvoted, so what you said isn't exactly true.
The thing is, no matter how stinging the truth, our detractors don't have the experience or introspection necessary to even begin to understand what the posts mean. So they just get angry or give a clueless, patronizing laugh.
And I would file those under out-of-context. Not understanding the culture here can lead to some rough interpretations of the content here.
As a member of the other sex, I agree. This subreddit has its bad posts, but if you actually read this subreddit instead of going by titles, you can find gold. As a lesbian leaning bisexual girl, I use good information from here a lot - even if its centered around men getting women. I also use it to become a better woman for men without giving up everything.
I very much enjoy this subreddit and ignore the people who make the few nasty "extreme" posts.
I find feminism to be much more hateful and full of bigots than this subreddit could ever be.
I recently reconnected with my best friend from high school, a girl, whom i had not seen in almost 10 years. No physical attraction, she's literally like my little sister.
She's just ended a 6 year live-in relationship with a lesbian. She had a ltr boyfriend and was a woman of God last i saw her. Now she's living a life of sin (according to her).
Out at dinner, she questions me on how guys can put up with so much drama that women create needlessly. All the mind games, all the manipulation on feelings. Her own words were 'it took me to sleep with a woman just to see how messed up women are!' and was why she ended her relationship.
I'm amazed and appreciate that some women like yourself are out there and aware of the struggles that men put up with in the dating world.
Yep!
Although I am attracted to women, I don't really date much. I still get the drama, the mind games, all the negatives. I don't need it. I know how guys feel in the dating world and I agree with a good portion of this subreddit.
There's a lot I've learned about myself dating women though. I don't [think I] shit test or play mind games. I'm forward and to the point. It's sort of a taught thing I think, and I didn't have a very good childhood and didn't have a female figure in my life except my grandmother who really wasn't that interested in me. I never really had female friends either.
My sister plays games with guys because my mom taught her to. My mom is on her 3rd marriage, getting married in a few months to the 3rd beta guy she found (I thought he was alpha when I met him, then he submitted to her stupid bullshit). I love when my sister reads me texts how she's mad at her boyfriend because he's being alpha and not putting up wth her shit. The other day I saw a text that he sent after she "broke up with him": "[Sister] If you text me 3 more times I'm blocking you" so she replies "OK" and the boyfriend texts her back "2." I laughed and applauded him. I don't think she knows what to do, and he doesn't really give a shit because while he's having a great life in college and already in a great job, she's sitting at home doing nothing and depending on him.
Read this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2yn18l/psa_regarding_new_guidelines_courtesy_of_your_new/
I am not going to take further action, because I don't think you are actually consciously trying to get extra attention "because vagina". You're just kind of used to doing that.
But it needs to stop. In the future, do not preface comments with "As a woman,". It lends nothing to your argument. The proper thing to say would have been "I am bisexual, so I... etc etc etc".
It's okay if someone manages to infer that you have a vagina, but don't yell and wave it about... unless you brought enough for everybody.
Being rude to people isn't a great way to make friends or start relationships regardless of sex or gender. I would've told you to fuck off immediately for that in a date setting. It gets you nowhere.
Please change the guidelines on the sidebar as well, as I read the current rules in the side bar: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1woc2r/mod_posting_rules_2014_update/
I'll stay out of TRP from now on though. I don't like mods on their high horse who don't know how to run a community when I've had people telling me they appreciate my point of view and how I see how women work in relationships and dating since I have experience.
Ah, so you were expecting special treatment for being a woman. The kind of special treatment that prevents you from being kicked out, punched in the mouth, or laughed at when you waltz into someone's clubhouse, spend one or two days there, and then tell them how to run the place, because you now know all about it.
Little miss wants to be "one of the boys", but doesn't like being treated the same.
Bye now.
When I was a teen I always thought lesbians were a beautiful thing until I actually dipped my toe in the dating pool with other girls. Kind of creepy, I know, but hey.
I certainly don't envy you, you get basically none of the perks of being a girl in the dating world I imagine. :P
TRP is anti-women the same way I'm racist because I point out the majority of robberies are committed by black people.
It's a fact. It's just not socially acceptable to point it out.
The problem is that it's a rather worthless fact. It's worthless because it explains nothing about why they commit more crimes, and gives us nothing to go on in terms of reducing crime.
The fact that most crimes are committed by poor and uneducated people, conversely, is a useful fact. If we reduce the number of people without a good education, we can reduce crime. If we reduce the number of people who are so poor that they feel the need to steal, we can reduce crime. But reducing the number of black people will not reduce crime, unless they happen to be (surprise!) uneducated and poor black people.
The other problem is that facts like this are misused to justify racist attitudes, regardless of whether the person who initially points it out has racist intentions.
No, that is a bit racist; disingenuous at least. The vast majority of robberies are carried out by poor and undereducated people. In some places (large parts of the US) there us a very high correlation between being black and being poor and undereducated. Once you adjust for poverty, skin colour isn't much if a factor, and perpetuating the myth is primarily used by those with a racist agenda.
TL;DR: Rich black people are unlikely to be robbers, poor white areas have predominantly white burglars.
You're bring pedantic. "Most robberies are committed by black people" is a true statement. Period. You can slice and dice and qualify and explain it away any way you want, but it remains a true statement. It is a statistical fact. Black and white.
bit racist... disingenuous... I'd probably go with unqualified truth. Saying "most robberies are committed by black people" is a faulty statement because it leaves open the opportunity for it to support a racist agenda.
It's pretty standard practice in science for example to offer a conclusion, but heavily disclaim it with other explanations or reasons why the research could be more complete. People get what you're saying. But let's not be deliberately thick.
I stand firm. Stating a fact does not make it or me racist, no matter how much you take it personally. You are committing a logical fallacy.
No, you're cherry picking "facts" to align with a world view, purposely misunderstanding correlation and causation. If you want to live in a better future, it's important to understand the difference so you can combat the causes of problems without wasting time, money and energy on statistically insignificant corollaries.
It is fact that most burglars are right handed, and male, and in their late teens to early thirties... however none of these corollaries are useful unless your aim is to marginalise people who fall into those categories. If your aim is to reduce robberies, people who prefer evidence based reasoning prefer combating poverty and the other causes of crime.
Are you a female by any chance? I could understand if the female mind was confused as you appear to be, but most men would get it. Where did I mention correlation/causation? What I stated is a statistical fact, just like you stating that must robberies are committed by right handed people. There's really nothing to debate about. Both are true facts.
yeah and vaccines cause autism, amirite?
(yawn...) please go review the rules of logic and rational debate
Intelligence among difference races is largely genetic. There are studies that show statistically two high IQ black parents will have less intelligent offspring than their white/asian equivalents, two low IQ white parents will have a more intelligent child than their black equivalents, a black child raised adopted by white parents will be less intelligent than a white child adopted by blacks, etc. Sure intelligence and crime/wealth are connected but so is race and intelligence. MRI scans even show blacks have have an average brain size that's 5 cubic inches smaller than the average brain size of whites which falls in line with the correlation of brain size to IQ (~0.4) and their respective average IQs (85 & 100)
Source
Yep, races are physically different beings, and having 0.0001% difference in skin, hair, muscle, brain matter, is how biology works.
Will anyone ever want to acknowledge those differences, the respective strengths and weaknesses of different types of humans? Maybe not, but the differences are so infinitesimally small that it really isn't something we should be focusing on.
That being said, if we collect statistics on everything else and apply them to legislature, it is certainly bigoted not to use all relevant statistics and research.
Consider that blacks and South Americans didn't need any kind of affirmative treatment in order to absolutely dominate so many sporting events (once racist laws allowed them to). Nobody helped them out then. | All of this seems to give credence to logical, race-based laws, HOWEVER:
My last point is a question: what it is about a few IQ points that made people with one skin color so racist and hateful? Do you forget that we already tried out a round of society where people weren't allowed to do shit-all because of the consequences of their birth as opposed to the value the person can bring to society?
As for as the "sporting success" argument, I would counter that the obsessive commitment required to achieve excellence in these sports can actually be a result of having fewer opportunities in the first place. I've heard black athletes in the UK citing, for example, sprinting as an alternative to gang culture.
Also note that the sports that have seen the greatest adoption and success in by black sportspeople over the last 75 years generally require little or no equipment, another sign that the environment in which you were raised is likely crucial to outcomes.
White people aren't the only ones who have been really racist. You're too sheltered.
Great, I like this argument. Please explain why 33% of forcible rape is committed by black people.
Robbery will surely correlate to being poor, but forcibly shoving your dick in a dry cunt does not. Please liberal hero, be my guest.
Your logic is only good at the superficial level. What you fail to understand is the concept of ghetto culture. The problem is that a group of people living in poverty, with poor education and limited ability for self-advancement, developed a culture that gave rise to gangs and the glorification of violence and criminal activity. This culture is as much the cause, if not more, for the prevalence of robberies, and is also the cause of gang killings, rapes, and the like.
I partially agree with you. Black people are on average much dumber than any other race (even when family income is held constant).
I could see how they could be so easily influenced by that culture.
It really isn't. Its a useful statistic. If I am walking down the street in a seedy area of town, I can't automatically know who is poor. I can tell skin colour though.
No, that would be a false predictor, and believing incorrectly that your stereotype gave you increased knowledge is worse than realising that you can't spot a burglar readily.
Your heuristic will probably work in some specific places, notably some US cities, but taking that fact and extrapolating it as a general rule? Once again you're back into territory of grossly misunderstanding causation and correlation, in regards to both skin colour vs. burglary and singular results vs. general rules.
There's no progress until everyone involved in the dialog is on the same page. If that's clouded by everyone trying to seem nice and enlightened, nobody is going to get anywhere.
r/TheRedPill/comments/25q7ld/the_red_pill_is_prowoman/
Can confirm. Am female subscriber.
Been on TBP and it sickens me how women speak about men on there. Would much rather hear you guys make valid points that seem to get lost in neo-feminist bullshit.
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Man, I wish I had come across this like ten years ago Atleast
I'm with you on that. Although I'm not sure in my youthful ignorance I would have listened.
Same here. Instead of breeding hate because of misunderstanding, since I know how and why women think the way they do, I empathize and forgive the actions of them.
Important point, and well stated.
I can't stress the truth of this statement enough. We've been conditioned to reject this part of ourselves, this primal urge toward fulfilling sex and dominant behavior. We've had our natures coerced and beaten from us since childhood, and to the less-aware man, this takes a horrible psychological toll. This community we have here, within this subreddit, is a place to begin repairing the damage done by a society at odds with tens of thousands of years of masculine instinct.
This is precisely why, after finding the Red Pill, I've stayed here and been an (on-and-off) active member of the community. Because not all men are self-aware enough to really know this without help. For me, the number one concept the Red Pill represents is such a self-awareness. And it cannot be an evil thing to be self-aware.
The further society pushes the top 5-10% of males away from their peers, the easier it is for women to find that top mate in the wild.
Of course we've been conditioned to this. Its perfect for them to insist that you be a super niceguy male feminist. It means you bought into the bullshit, which is like strapping a "DO NOT FUCK THIS MAN" banner to your back. Easy to see straight away you don't have any respect for yourself, instead of trying to find out by interacting with you. This streamlines the process of if you will be used as a utility or an actual prospect as a mate.
And it works in reverse too. When it's wall time, which dude has the biggest banner? He's the one that won't ever run away and kowtow to any bullshit you want to throw at him for the rest of your life. "Oh your spending the night at Chad's tonight honey? Don't worry, i'll take care of the kids" "Hey, i'm no bitch, men gotta do their parts in the relationship too guys!"
This gave me a good laugh.
If only the poor sap knew Chad's last name.
FTFY
The more I hang out here, the more I know about myself, how I behave, and how I react to others. Amazingly enough, I seem to have been red pill in every relationship I have had. I did not realize that when I walked away from every girl who has ever tried to bend me to her will, I was not walking into "you are going to be lonely your whole life", I was walking away from a VERY possible lifetime of manipulation and abuse.
edit: VERY
This, absolutely this.
Learning about and becoming more masculine has been a breath of fresh air for me - it feels right. I hate using phrasing like, "I truly found myself", but I am a much happier, much more effective person now than in the past. Masculinity is great, and I'm sad I wasted almost 30 years not truly having a good grasp on it.
I will thank the girl who broke me so hard I came upon PUA and the manosphere until the day I die.
It's basically three things.
First it is the oldest trick in the book to discredit the messenger in order to distract from and discredit the message and sometimes even to create a bogeyman. By shaming us as neckbeards, loosers, virgins, misogynists, you name it, they create a picture in the head of people before they get a chance to form an opinion based on the content served here.
If you need an example how well this works, then picture a terrorist in your head. Now tell me what he looks like. Does he look like a ginger member of the IRA? Does he look like a Basque from the ETA? Does he look like a German from the RAF? Does he look like Timothy McVeigh? Is it maybe even a woman? Probably not. I bet he's got a beard.
Secondly it's the application of the japanese proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered." We've got the nerve to act contra popular consent. We deny to let ourself be manipulated anymore. We refuse to play the game by the rules which we never set up and agreed to in the first place, because the price offered just doesn't appeal to us any more.
And lastly we hold up a mirror to them. It can't be true that in the end it indeed is myself who is able to make change to my life to the better. It must not be, that I can't blame all the strawmen I've put up for my personal misery.
I am fat because genetics and thyriod and not because I am a lazy fuck whose nutrition consists of Cheetos flushed down with a bucket of Mountain Dew. I am unhappy because society denies me my happiness, and not because I can't be bothered to make a step out of my comfort zone. I don't get what my neighbour has, because of his priveleges and not because I spend my time on tumblr or in the World of Warcraft, while I could have used that time to educate myself and maybe build a career. I do net get laid because I wasn't nice enough and because of Chad McCocky, who finally fucked her brains out, and not because I am a pathetic piece of wobbly meat which stinks, has got no sense for fashion and lacks confidence. I lack confidence because of society and not because I actually don't have just anything I could be confident about.
And finally it just cannot be true that these misogynistic shitlords get all these things just by tweaking their lifes. They must be loudmouthed pathetic neckbearded loosers.
"I lack confidence because of society". I don't understand the grammar of the rest of that sentence.
My sex life is a thousand times better since finding the red pill. I get blow jobs on command and my wife is so much more turned on by me now that her sex life is a thousand times better.
Feminism is a plague and the red pill is the cure.
Discovering TRP has in all seriousness been the most important moment of my adult life.
There is no way I can ever express the gratitude for what you guys started here.
Shit, I'm genuinely getting emotional, gotta go!
Male, 20, TRP has done more for me in the last 3 months of reading than the last 11 months i spent moping and complaining over why i lost my gf (oneits to the max). I am more confident and i honestly dont really give a fuck what they think of me anymore and people(particularly girls) have picked up on that. I owe more than i can give to TRP. steps off soapbox
The SJWs of the world don't get this, though. I was answering a thread in AskReddit a couple of weeks ago (the thread was asking parents why they didn't have anything to do with their kids) and my response didn't exactly paint my ex-wife in a positive light. The mere fact that I had dared suggest that a woman might not be a special snowflake prompted some white knight to go through my post history and find out that I was TRP.
Obviously, the only natural conclusion he came to after that was that my marriage crumbled because I was your average TRP douche and she obviously deserved better and not that a failed marriage to a bitch while being a completely beta faggot had helped put me on the path here to try and find a better way of conducting myself and making sure that it didn't happen to me again.
Fuck 'em. They can think and squawk all they want, it won't affect the life I'm living or stop me from striving to improve myself and achieve my goals.
The womyn don't like the idea that they've finally been figured out and getting resistance, the guys are either hampered by crab-bucket mentality or hoping that being Captain Save-a-ho will score them some poon which is just as manipulative as they claim our strategies are.
The more of us there are, the more we are going to see the cognitive dissonance of a feminist population who wants to have their cake and eat it too. I don't think many of us have any problem whatsoever with female equality on all fronts. The kicker comes when they no longer get to have the benefit of that equality and our chivalry, money, effort, pedastalization, etc.
Absolutely. I don't care what gender, colour, religion, whatever you belong to, if you do a decent job then you deserve a decent wage. What I do care about is girls sat at a register all day complaining that they're not getting paid the same as a guy slogging his guts out hauling shit around in the warehouse, or someone getting a position over someone with more aptitude or experience simply to tick a box on the latest diversity quota.
We've spent decades being brow-beaten and shamed simply for having a penis, and told that if we were just a little more caring, or effeminate, if we'd just relinquish the reins of our own lives and let the smarter gender take control for it for us then we'd get the Hollywood RomCom ending and be happy with the woman of our dreams for the rest of our lives.
TRP is proof that guys have been thought this, seen through this, and we now know that the walk down the aisle doesn't guarantee the Happy Ever After we'd been promised, that being a doormat means nothing other than you're something for someone else to walk on and scrape the shit from their shoes.
As for cake and eat it too, damn right. And that's why they hate us on TRP. They want their BBs that are easily controllable and so grateful to be given a half-hearted handjob every six months but will pay out for everything they want, but at the same time they want the AFs that will give them the fucking they want.
Why not fuck your husband? Well, if you just give the horse a carrot instead of dangling it in front of them, would they be so easily lead?
So that brings things to us. TRP are the former betas who have been shat on too many times and decided that enough's enough. Which irks them for two reasons: (1) they can't differentiate between the natural Alphas and the ones that have taught themselves to be Alpha and so (2) that means that we represent a level of commitment to self-improvement that they simply can't fathom.
Betas expect sex handed to them simply for being a nice guy. Women want power and control simply because they've got a cunt. They want things handed to them, and if they play by the rules they expect it will be given to them. We, however, realise that that's not the case. You want something, you work for it. If you don't get it, then YOU fucked up and you better think fucking hard about what you need to change in order to get it. TRP isn't some hugbox or an echo chamber, it's a bunch of guys telling each other to man the fuck up, take responsibility for themselves and their actions and figure out a better way of achieving their goals. The white knights don't like it because it goes against their crab-bucket mentality, the women don't like it because they don't like knowing that we've figured that we can do just fucking fine without getting divorce raped by some post wall whore. Which explains the rise of MGTOW and the Japanese "Herbivore men."
At some point standing up for yourself became the sign of being a douchebag. Fine, I'm a douchebag. You can call me all the names you want, I'm sure I'll be weeping myself to sleep while I'm exploring the world, enjoying my life and having the regular sex I mistakenly thought I was entitled to simply because some bitch had my ring on her finger.
This sub is full of men who fix problems. Women "address" problems, but rarely fix them. Your girl would rather you commiserate through her personal pain with her than solve it for her. When redpillers saw that we weren't having the kind of success in love and sex that we wanted, we sought to fix these issues. Instead of complaining on tumblr that we just didn't get enough love or respect, we took those things.
Great point. This makes me wonder if a significant percentage of guys who are attracted to this place have hobbies involving building/fixing/customizing things.
This sub probably has some subscribers who hold somewhat lofty positions of status in the workforce and society. It'd be incredible to met other RedPillers someday, but I'm assuming most here want to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons.
I like to build, fix, and customize. It's all part of the mentality behind self-reliance and self-worth.
I am getting ready to build a table: why? Why not. Building things is fun and teaches the finer points of attention to detail and finishing a project that turned raw material into a product is satisfying. It's satisfying because I did it. My self reliance just increased my self worth.
I'm worthy because I do worthy things. I do those worthy things because I rely on myself first and others second.
I hate women about as much as I hate everyone else. Which is to say, not that much to start until proven otherwise. I merely understand that there are differences between the way the genders think and feel. This therefore affects the way I will interact as such. Especially given the fact that if it is an attractive women, I'll likely desire intercourse with them eventually.
If that makes me wrong in the eyes of people who I'm otherwise not associated with and could give two fucks about, then being right is just not for me. The first 18 years of my life have proved that being 'right' in society's view got me nothing. Being 'wrong' so far has.
Some loneliness is necessary to maintain sanity in this sort of world.
The grand irony is how feminists get upset by things like saying a guy "throws like a girl" is a slight against girls and women, as if being a girl is a pejorative. Yet they turn around and do the same exact thing when it comes to men and their ability to get sex, that if a man can't get laid then it's because of or makes him a loser. Says a lot about their thought process, doesn't it?
Another facet to this irony is that it confirms the crux of the lock and key analogy regarding sluts vs studs.
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I'm married and have children, and have probably had sex with 60+ women, most of which were one night stands or brief flings. At the age of 34 years, I now find myself adrift, but with the desire for new frontiers.
I don't view The Red Pill so much as a strategy for getting laid, but rather guidelines for becoming the men that we were meant to be in a culture that has systematically attempted to break men down. The Red Pill has helped inspire me to turn the dissatisfaction in my life into goals of self-improvement, so I don't spend the remainder of my life adrift.
Don't count me out just yet; it's time for a comeback!
I think you're spot on; RP is about being the best version of yourself. To do that, you have to examine the limitations society artificially places on you (spend money on this, look like that, talk like this, don't do that) so that you can remove them and grow the way you're meant to. A side-effect of that is having an easier time getting laid.
A lot of the 'sexual strategy' that gets incorporated is really about taking 'the best you' and projecting it in an optimal way (having game). That part is the icing on the cake that is 'becoming the best you' in the first place (in my opinion).
Cheers man, and good luck.
Yeah I came from a similar POV. Yeah sure I've had a few dry spells over the years, but for the most part I've extremely successful sexually since losing my virginity at age 15, yet that did not insulate me from the pratfalls that come with the crime of being male in western civilization. Previous to finding this place, I was flying through life with a self enforced blindness that comes with false doctrine. I possessed the wisdom, but bought into the narrative that suppressed it. It took crisis for me to achieve the breakthrough moment. I have been lied to. I have been misled. Society at large does not advocate justice for me as a man. I am nothing more than disposable fodder, unworthy of rights and basic human dignity.
The existence of TRP proves that seeking actual truth and rationality necessary for male happiness has become a transcendent pursuit in the profound.
We've eclipsed ordinary awakening. This decline is so fucking fubared that if you don't continuously beg for sex during romantic escalation you will be labeled a rapist and your life permanently destroyed. This shit is is scream out loud batshit nuts and is actually being codified into law. Worse yet, its just the tip of the fucking iceberg. The fact that people don't routinely reject such absurdity is far beyond outrageous. We here at TRP serve as one of the few oasis of truth in this landscape of mass hysteria and insanity - all while being lampooned and strawmanned. When you process the entirety of it, its a mindfuck. The world is a fucked up place.
Once an individual breaks free from the delusion of the New Intersectional MoralityTM they begin to see it for what it is - society bending to the will of narcissists, borderline personality deficients and the emotionally arrested who have bizarrely blamed masculinity everywhere for their personal failings and mental illness.
TRP is an open rejection of original male sin. Its proper self valuation. Its rationality. Its the pursuit of mental serenity.
A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.
http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qg2q3/honest_redpill_assesment_of_ok_cupid/
I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect?
It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice.
Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice.
Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.
After I read your story of how you became an endorsed contributor I laughed my ass off. You're a really great satirical writer...how did you learn to write like that?
Part of me wants to see what you wrote on your okc profile because it would have been hilarious.
I also wanna see what the ridiculously uptight okc subreddit people did when you submitted that. I couldn't find your post for the okc subreddit in your history so if you have it somewhere I can use a few laughs
Having successfully fucked a couple of people from OK Cupid I feel I am officialy qualified to give dating advice, however before we go any further it is important that we first have an accurate understanding of what OkCupid is
Ok Cupid: Is a rock bottom wholesaler of penis. Heterosexual males are in abundant supply and the average fuckable girl (girl you can stick your dick into without cringing) gets five to 8 messages a day.
In order to have sex with OK Cupiders you basically have to put your penis on sale. Which is to say offer yourself to girls lower than you on the totem pole. This however only works if there is someone lower than you on the totem pole. If you are already kinda low your not going to have many options. Here are some options to consider
Less attractive girls: If your a seven or an eight you can realistically fuck fives to sixes on Ok Cupid. These girls will be ecstatic that a hot guy is messaging them and will have no problem having a one night stand with a hot guy.
Fat Girls: Same as the above with the added bonus that they know how to eat and can make you a good breakfast the morning after. The only downside is that while darkness makes an ugly girl less noticeably ugly you will always know how fat a fat girl is.
Low Income Girls: Unlike your entitled middle class ass, her mother works two jobs and her father died in a gang war. This girl will be legitimately thrilled when you take her to a moderately fancy restaurant: $15 because no one in her social circle has that kind of money. Your 2005 car will be impressive compared to her 1990 car etc. These girls will be legitimately impressed by you spending moderate amounts of money because her standard of living is so low. Upside: her low income status in no way makes her less physically attractive.
Minorities: Now I personally find Black and Hispanic women very attractive. However many white men do not. What this means is there is a lower supply of white men willing to fuck Blacks and Hispanics, thus greatly increasing your value to these populations. If any of this is offensive to you, then chances are you dont understand economics. But what if im a minority male what do I do? Bro I don't know iv never tried it. Watch out for that stop and frisk.
Single Moms: There are a bunch of hot single moms out there wanting sex and that baby is a huge vag block for them. Dudes are more hesitant about single moms so if your not then your in luck. Downside: Lets be honest its not as tight.
Older women: This women is in desperate need of a husband and her ovaries are slowly drying up. However if you are in your early twenties chances are you are in better shape than anyone in her peer group. So maybe she will let you fuck her.
Transvestites: There are alot of trannys on OK Cupid. I dont think there is a very high demand so I guess this could be that golden opportunity you'v been waiting for.
Gay Men: Eventually a Gay dude is going to hit you up on Ok Cupid. Now if you are completely heterosexual you can just tell him you don't like the Pee Pees and wish him good luck on his penal scavenger hunt. If not I guess you can enjoy the female privilege of having people promptly respond to your texts, going to a fun exciting new restaurant, having that shit paid for and then having someone actively entertain you during a date. Instead of the usual where you are doing all the work while fucking Samantha checks her fucking phone for the 9th time while you entertain her. Iv never dated a man before but it sounds very good in theory except for the fact that he is a man with a penis.
Allright that about covers it. I hope you enjoyed this. I hope I didnt offend any one as this is an honest assessment of the modern dating situation. If you are in fact offended stop reading Male dating advice you are a woman.
Thanks, I have read the actual text about okc you wrote
what I wanted to see was the actual post you submitted to the okc subreddit to have some laughs/read all the butthurt from the white knights and feminist on that subreddit
I've been in three relationships that have spanned over 5 years of my life.
I ain't no Virgin.
I just got tired of getting cheated on by women and begin seeing common characteristics between all of them.
Just stup daring sluts in the firat place lol
Get ready for another 1,000 subscribers.
We are attacked because we are a threat. Because sex is a threat. Because the alpha guy is a threat. Because women's sexual desire is a threat.
And women attack threats. Especially if she can perceive or make it a low SMV threat. You virgin neckbeards.
Sex is a direct threat to every controlling woman with a BB man who must be told that he doesn't have better options.
Sex is a direct threat to every sexless marriage. In fact it is sexless because there is no sexual threat. And we bringing the threat back (dread game, self improvement).
Sex is threatening sexual competition. The worse a man believes his options are, the easier every woman has it. If all women and all men felt how awesome men really are, the whole SMV scale would tip heavily in our favour. Many more people would have much better sex, but it would be harder to lock down them beta bucks.
TL;DR Sex is a threat, attack the neckbeards!
I would wager to say this sub has the highest concentration of attractive men on reddit. We tell each other to lift, groom, have ambition, approach a lot, have game etc.
Bzzzt! Wrong answer.
Maybe that's a little harsh. But the subreddit's main goal should not be counting attractive men in its membership---you can set up a frat for that---but rather to improve the attractiveness of its members over time, from any level.
I was thinking we should start a TRP dating site for women - a place where they could finally find real men.
About the only thing that would come out of such a thing is doxxing for the men stupid enough to sign up for it. TRP is social ebola: the very idea of "sexual strategy" is repulsive to most people, let alone everything else that's discussed here. Needing to discuss sexual strategy out loud automatically disqualifies you from being a "real man" in the eyes of most people and in fact firmly places you in their "creepy rapist" category besides.
Recommended reading: the Powertalk piece on the sidebar, followed by I'm addicted to straight talk.
This is one of the most powerful posts I've read thus far. And it's in the sidebar... Take home point? READ THE SIDEBAR.
My bad. Thank you. Moving on.
Joe Rogan said it best: "There's a lot of bitches in this world, and most of them are men".
TRP is the anti-manbitch. That's all.
You can be inspired by nothing but the JRE, never hear about TRP, and make massive headway. Bless that man.
I really hope that Joe Rogan comes across TheRedPill someday. Not that he exactly needs it, but I'd like to hear his thoughts on it.
Considering TRP is 100% in his target demographic, and we've got a goodly number of people here, there's a good chance he's aware of this place.
I'm a man that was raised by my mother. My father, while an exceptional provider, was and still is never around (as he works abroad). How can a woman teach me how to be a man?
This is why I am here. TRP has helped me tremendously. It has helped me become a better person: a better lover, a better student, a better employee, and a better son.
To the detractors I would like to say that the ideas expressed here are merely a framework. Most of the anecdotes I've read here I understand to be hyperbole. I won't say that the premises expressed here are "true", just that they reinforce what I've experienced to be true.
PS My mother is as strong as they come. Although she could not equip me with the tools to be a man (the male perspective), she has done the best she can in a less-than-ideal situation, and I love her for it.
Exactly. This is like the dawn of a new brotherhood of men. All committed to the successful reeducation as to what constitutes being a man.
Yep, we cannot listen to women's opinions on what makes us better men. This is why it is so important to form relationships with actual other men who will challenge and support us. Any man who doesn't have his "boys" needs to think about finding some. If not, or if you're more a lone wolf type, then choose a role model to aspire to and a nemesis to compete with (even if they don't know about it).
Don't hate me for this, but I can tell you why a lot of people on reddit snarl at the mention of this sub.
There is a vocal minority, where this insult fits. While you barely will see a post of them in here, they will preach red pill sermons in some threads around reddit, often in a condescending tone sounding like frustrated sexless neckbeards. I am quite sure some of you found some of those cringe worthy answers of "red pillers" that just seem to scream "hate me and hate everyone that is in the same sub as me"
I mostly lurk here, there sometimes are really really good threads, that helped me understand the world a bit better and recognise hamstring for what it is and also got somehow to realises when I am shit tested and when not. Also some of the pages and blogs I got to know from here helped me through difficult times.
Just, I am right now at a point where red pill can't help me, a point where I need to get out before any of the good tipps you read here can be used. I am not at fuck all, I am at "I don't even care about women". Honestly I don't even know how I got to this point.
If you don't see them post here, but act like retards everywhere else... Maybe they're not from here but are trying to spread a different image of us?
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This is why you need a separate account for TRP. My main account was banned from several subs for just being associated with TRP. The same thing happened - my voice wasn't going along with the rest of the echo chamber and I was outed when they went through my post history.
"We got a Terper! Downvote this misogynistic scum bag!" Was the alarm cry, and so I had to make this account. Because feminazis were stalking me from sub to sub. It's ridiculous - who the fuck does that? It's like our posts are all automatically invalidated because we post on TRP. USE AN ALTERNATE ACCOUNT WHEN POSTING ON TRP!
Feminists get annoyed/call misogyny when men here talk about about plates/ONS/casual sex, because they like to remove agency/responsibility from women. A grown woman should know that if she gives it up on the first date/meeting that a man is not going to want that in an LTR. If a woman doesn't want to be dumped early, she should keep her legs closed. All I see on TRP is discussions of injustice, confirmation of the importance of TRP in men's lives, the sharing of experiences & everything else that is conducive to healthy discussion. I don't see misogyny apart from new members who are still struggling with the truth, I don't believe manipulation is part of TRP at all.
Edit: accidentally pressed enter, can't remember my conclusion, but I think what I've said still stands. Also, very interesting post OP :)
The ironic part of the name calling is that it ends up attracting the majority of its subscribers purely by curiosity. Then once its actual read everyone realizes the rest of reddit hasn't even read this sub.
I think it's safe to say they're aware of it, even if they don't understand it.
One of the first girls I dated around 15 years ago when I was full blown doormat nice guy, said to me flat out when I was trying to explain that I could be macho assertive and sexy:
"We need guys like you to stay the way you are."
It isn't just that people think Red Pill is offensive. It goes entirely against the economics of a society where men are expected to be humbled providers. If birth rates plummet in a nation where men start to learn that it's not just ok, but preferable to stay unmarried with no children, then it's that society's death knell.
Men trying to understand the dynamics of dating and relationships is, to women, men trying to game the system. That's why we're all uggo neckbeards.
This has occurred to me as well. I think that it's better for them if the guy came out of the womb masculine and dominant as fuck. It has to be natural and elemental. This is partly why it's important to not let others see the hard work you're doing, just the result. It should look effortless.
I think it's not stated clearly enough that self-directed, systematic, real change and improvement is a superpower particularly inherent in men. The hardest part is overcoming ego to admit honestly what my weaknesses really are and embracing that reality while patiently changing it.
If you have that firestorm of ambition in your belly on full blast, everything else follows from that. It doesn't matter if you find it at 5 years old or 50.
Before coming here for the first time I have to admit Reddit already had and has a well defined prejudice over TRP which somehow leaked into my consciousness and I felt I had no reason to be here. Until one day I decided to actually see for myself what was behind all of this.
The rest you guys already know, the knowledge hits you like a train.
I came across this sub last year and scanned over it; it seemed almost circle jerk on the surface.
Then I read The Married Man Sex Life Primer and found language similarities to what I had seen here.
Then I looked up the red pill definition and realized I needed this place 12 years ago.
They've taken to calling it a cult recently after discovering we really don't give an iota of a fuck for their opinions.
One of the key characteristics of a cult is control of the members. You aren't allowed to disagree with the leader / authority, and if you do then you are expelled.
I don't know how many folks get banned from this sub, but I do see a lot of open debate, which is the antithesis of a cult.
Case in point: I think a lot of TRP nomenclature is stupid, misleading and damaging to the core message (which, as OP suggests, is really important for men these days). I bet that I'm not only allowed to say this, but that others might agree or disagree in open debate.
The nomenclature is purposefully over the top and offensive. Believe it or not, it actually has a side effect of weeding out trolls, because their "triggers" make it so they can't help but post some SJW reply to something that hurts their fee-fees.
But the spirit behind our (what outsiders call) "offensive" language and tone is simple: we are men, and we will speak in a manner that we like among fellow men.
TRP is the men's locker room where no fucks are given about feminine or politically correct fee-fees.
TRP is that seedy, smoky room on the second floor of a seedy bar, with a bunch of men sitting around a poker table behind closed doors, smoking cigars, sipping whiskey, and saying what we want, and how we want to say it, about whatever the fuck we want to talk about. And yes, that includes talking about women, and no, what we have to say isn't always sunshine and flowers. We don't care what outsiders think because outsiders are not a part of the club. They don't have a seat at the table.
Except this post is a direct response about their opinions, the whole thing even starts out as a response to "neckbeard virgin".
You didn't read it did you.
OP is not for them, it's for the newbies coming here who could use a little context.
Yep. Public criticism of TRP always seems to generate a bunch of new subscriptions. It's a great idea to have something like this waiting as a direct reference to the thing that brought them here.
I can only imagine how many men came here to insult and berate this sub, only to surprisingly find that it opened their mind to a wider reality.
Pointing out the lack of value in an idea or opinion, the wrong headed-ness of it, is an effective teaching tool. People benefit from real world examples.
Fortunately SJW provide no lack of examples of what not to do. In a way it's convenient as hell for us, we don't need to plan or schedule or save anything, want an example of how not to live life? Pull up an SJW sub or blog, there's a constant stream of fresh bullshit ready for the picking.
This place has made my life immeasurably better. Love you guys. That is all!
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Each time I find myself in the depths of despair looking for that sign of hope that life isn't as bad as it seems, a post like this shows up leading me ever more towards the red pill process of thought. Whether it be by divine influence or karmic balance, truly do I appreciate the words that seemingly match my experiences at each present moment they are gleaned.
I've found myself walking the halls of a dark corridor running through the constance that was my life and how I found myself in my current situation.
As one might expect, I followed what seemed to be the tempered logic of my being in the wrong at each moment that caused the dividing rift in them. It wasn't until a coworker of mine named this sub reddit off to me and gave me some keen insight on the ideals of TRP.
To add to the current post, the women I've been with all want one thing (including their own subordinates, i.e white knights) or desire said one thing: control. I find that entire process to be detrimental to the conscript of equality they so desperately cling to.
If ones idea of equality is to shit on the person next to him than there is none.
Misandrists, keep attacking you're only helping to drive the point that's made within this sub reddit further as well as label yourselves hypocrite.
Hi! I am new here, and I am tearing up right now. (: My personal success did not involve The Red Pill but now that I am here, I will happily stay and see what's offered. It's a process and I am not done!
I didn't know the word "incel" until I started reading this sub, which alienated me; I lost my virginity at 16 and have been in the zone for 14 years. I've had great LTRs and ONSs and every kind of fling in between. I get the sense there are plenty of guys like me here: they have success, but they're still beleaguered by the flashes of inhumanity in the margins of their female relationships. It's those glimpses that hint at a deeper truth about the real power dynamics that underlie the romantic fairy tales. If you're at all interested in economies of power, it's because you're the type of guy who wants to get ahead and knows there's no rules. Lots of people here have observed TRP thinking/philosophy are abstractly applicable to business, friendship, and other competitive arenas where the ends justify the means.
Edit: diction. Tl;dr, let them call us neckbeards, be too busy winning at life
Indeed, I was much like you, and after leaving a 3-year relationship I saw how she changed and how she acted, and I saw my efforts failing. At the time I didn't know what I was doing was doubling down on my beta tendencies.
I had always had a certain level of luck with women- but it was just that: Luck. Now we have real theories on why and how things work.
I was much the same way; I never really had a problem getting women, my problem was in keeping them around. After discovering TRP, it all clicked. Over time with women, as I would become comfortable with them, I'd go from aloof dickhead to "caring boyfriend " type. Now I know better.
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And this comment is a perfect and complete example of troll who needs to fuck off.
Oh yeah, I've had no problems getting laid in my life and moving a little further and faster than some of my peers. But looking back at myself through the years, I was insufferably blue pill. A few alpha traits that brought women close to me, but so much beta overall, they all eventually fled in disgust. Good for them too. I wouldn't want to spend a life with the guy I used to be either.
I look at where I am now and it's incredible and inspiring to realize that any man can systematically and methodically change the very essence of what he is if he's willing to 1) Be Honest and 2) Do The Work.
For the successful man, TRP is great because it shed light on things we already had hunches about, clarified things we still didn't understand, and helped us gain the vision to set goals to smooth out any remaining rough edges.
I'm in the same camp. I've basically been some version of red pill my whole life without really knowing it. There was one main relationship that fell apart and led me here, and when I look back on it I realize there was so much that I did right and only small missteps that made me falter.
However, the curtain being lifted after finding this place arevealing the true reality being within. Now I can clearly see where and why i went wrong along the way and it has been a great change in only a few months.
Ever since taking the red pill I have dated girls that:
* Are prettier than any I've dated before
* Treat me like someone they look up to, all the time
* Are more receptive to my needs
* Lust after me all the time
* Have sex with me on almost every of my whims, and enjoy it
* Pay half of every expense (even on the first date!)
* Don't try to change me at all
And that's the important fact, The Red Pill is testable. We can all attest to it working.
Now if people want to heckle from distant subforums I can't stop them. I just smile and tell them to enjoy their wonderful and fulfilling lives. But the irony is that in the real world, the "betas" are the ones they call creepy and target with insults.
Even many who absolutely despise TRP cannot deny that it works. I read about that in many other subreddit posts.
Quite.
Once you've actually truly made the change to your personality and outlook (i.e. you are abundant and have at least something of a frame), and see how your interactions with women change - there's no going back.
I remember in my bluepill days going without sex or even any sort of romantic contact for months or even over a year. I remember whining to a female friend (that I fell in love with) that I was so lonely and why couldn't I just find someone who cared about me.
Now, I can't even fathom being truly alone. Even if literally every girl I knew stopped responding to my texts tomorrow (and simply put, they will not), I could have a whole crop of new ones in less than a month of actual effort.
There's no keeping that sort of thing under wraps from everyone.
I'd like to highlight a couple of your points:
Lots of guys will gloss over these points and focus on the sexual ones, but these two are great LTR qualities to seek if you're a guy in the market for one.
I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.
So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.
In general, women don't know what it takes to be a man, so we in the context of this subreddit and movement don't have to listen to their opinions. Weak-willed, feminized men obviously don't have a clue either so they too can be ignored (and fwiw, derided and shamed as well). I refuse to see any of that as bigoted. When I was in basic training, we were not to speak casually to our instructors. Ask questions? Sure, but our unsolicited opinions were pretty much universally ignored, even punished. Why? Because we knew nothing about being soldiers yet. We had nothing inside of us in the context of the military to have a frame of reference yet. It was not uncommon to feel ire at your instructor for them "picking" on you, but in no way were they wrong for doing so.
At nearly 40, I look back and see for sure that 25-year-old me would have been horrified that I'm here now. And young me would be absolutely wrong. I'll certainly not be shamed by some college sophomore with an anonymous Reddit account into getting into their frame. All we are selling here is male freedom and enlightenment as intended by nature, nothing more. No new age ideas, nothing invented or idealized. Simply what resides inside each of us from the get go. Generations of heavy-handed feminism, single mothers and feminine ideals in art and media have put layers of restrictions on essential, healthy, beautiful maleness before it has a chance to mature.
Women don't mean to do that, they've simply thrown out the baby with the bathwater in an attempt to reinforce traits in us they say they want, rather than objectively recognizing what we are supposed to be. An example: When I go to the dog park and the dogs are all play fighting with each other to decide who is in charge, often quite exuberantly and violently, it's always the female owners who step in, wide-eyed, and break it up before the dogs get a chance to sort out their hierarchy. They mean well. After all, they are protecting their dog from getting hurt! And that definitely will protect the animal. However, you are eliminating an essential social experience for that dog by protecting/controlling it.
Good post. As always when critique arises about us, I expect we'll see a spike in subscriptions (there were over 20 in the time it took me to write this) when people with actual reading comprehension skills come here and take a good, measured look around.
My favorite comment that addresses the logical paradox involved in shaming red pillers would have to be this one:
I'm a handsome, wealthy lawyer. I'm incredibly successful with women now after many years of acting like a pussy post-college.
My discovery of TRP resulted from reading anti-leftist websites. My hope is that TRP will turn into a breeding ground for a cultural revolution of sorts. Nerds, neckbeards, jocks, lawyers, etc. pushing back against cultural decay as one force.
I'm in a happily-monogamous marriage where sex is frequent. I also have no hairs on my neck. Where is your social justice now?!
I wholeheartedly agree with what's being said here and I'd like to add a little bit from my perspective.
I've heard among the circles of women, their opinions of men and their attitude towards sex. It's ridiculous, albeit true in some cases.
are just a few of the commonalities between opinions.
While this is a reality for some men, it's not a reality for those who are "sexless" or even without inter-gender contact.
I myself quite value the emotional side of sex and think it should play a part into sex as it makes it more enjoyable when you get the connection with your partner. Do I think it's necessary to enjoy sex? No.
And this seems to be the common consensus among my peers. I see it day in and day out where my friends complain that a girl they're seeing doesn't treat their needs with as much importance or value as they would like. Men have needs and it's not all about sex.
Hopefully this whole threat can get stickied because I think it's very important for outsiders to realize that we're not a bunch of whoremongerers. We just want some equal and fair attention and to stop being treated like we're pathetic, lowly and worth nothing (sound familiar?).
I am very surprised to read a Post like this. I don't want to know the number of suizides this subreddit prevented... Same as the Numbers of families saved... And so on. It's the only place in the entire internet where my soul gets happy and I feel understood and my feelings as a man are addressed in the wright place. Thanks to all great posts and discussions, and keep it up!
The part of reddit where they discuss seduction could be questioned, but that's an other topic.
When you are the kind of guy who gets angry at a women for not wanting to have sex with you then you automatically become a problem in her life. It is a problem she has had to deal with since she was too young to handle it. You are an uninvited pest in her life. She can try to squash you, shoo you out the window, poison you etc... she has tried every solution in the past and it hasn't always gone well. You may be a good guy but, through your neediness, she had ceased to see you as a man and just resents you for being a pest. Fear is lock and laughter is the key.
It's funny how the supposedly most accepting people are the least. My brother posted his profile to the bastion of tolerance and acceptance known as the OKC subreddit, asking for their advice on what to change.
He was immediately shamed by the women there for his height, one of whom was easily over 200lbs. He pointed out that while he couldn't change his height, she could easily change her weight, making her comments somewhat hypocritical.
He was immediately banned for "shaming" other users. His only real violation that differed from hers was having a penis. This shit is what created TRP and the reason we both started lurking here. I honestly find this place cathartic and can't wait to start posting once I've been here long enough.
Very important line here. As a man, you are alone. And that seems really scary... but at least we're all alone together. Once you get over that part, things get much easier.
This is more than just "lel no friends to help you". When a man is down, he is down alone, but when he succeeds, he is also alone. That is one of our greatests strengths - the fruits of our labour go to us, and we do with them as we see fit. Our hard-won victories are for nobody else to savour.
The task is harder, but the rewards are greater. I wouldn't have it any other way.
You're gilded for this.
Thank you.
You are a good man, ButtPuppett.
How is this place the most bigoted when places like r/greatapes exsist.
It isn't a logical analysis. Don't read anything into the epithet that is used - loser, bigot, neckbeard, sexist, cultist. Because they all mean one thing: "bad". TRP is the worst in their eyes, and they'll use whatever word happens to bubble to the surface to describe it. They're hoping to find a label that sticks because TRP is a threat.
TRP is a threat because it is both effective and growing. Some overgrown kids posting pictures of fried chicken with a racist caption on a message board - not a threat. Lame dudes educating one another about how to put on the clothing of alpha males, about how not to get shunted into a provider role, about how to make changes in their real lives in the real world - very much a threat.
Because female narcissists got jealous of attention being poured on minorities.. and they wanted some of that.
If you ever meet more than one female narcissist, feminism and a whole bunch of ads suddenly retrains your brain into what they're actually telling women and what they're selling to women.
TheRedpill is a direct threat to attention, control, and escape hatches for women.
To me TRP is like the newspaper. I read posts here when I get a few extra minutes during the day and try to apply it later. Usually it works, sometimes it doesn't. The most important thing to me here is learning what I can. The TRP community is collectively enlightening us on what type of behavior desirable in the world and more importantly what type of behaviors make you a target to be used and abused.
Thanks for your post.
The beauty of TRP is that the knowledge allows one to properly allocate their resources to get what they want out of life. It has facets that help guide a boy to a rich and fruitful life as a man.
Most boys/younger guys want to engage girls/women. The boys/men want to make the girls/woman happy. As a matter of logic, it would seem that treating a girl/woman well would earn their respect and get them to love you. TRP teaches men that this is NOT what makes women happy. Once a man realizes what makes a woman happy, he can cut to the chase and get it done and save himself a great amount of time and heartache. That's what TRP is to me. Gives you the truth and allows you as a man to allocate your time to things that really matter and will make you a better person.
Your points are valid, but they lead to the truth that The Red Pill is a community based around becoming cold and competitive. Whether you choose to consider the validity of that or not, you have to recognize the validity of a lot of people determining that your ideas are a net negative for society.
I recognize zero validity in a lot of people determining that my ideas are a net negative for society. Those lots of people's opinions and feelings are of no concern to me, and they oughtn't be of concern of anyone's, except for the purely practical concern of not facing real life consequences for unpopular opinions.
I hope this stays stickied forever - the drop ins/new subscribers need to read this before they even move onto the content/sidebar
The anonymous nature of Internet forums such as TRP makes it easy for people to cherry pick whatever information fits the desired stereotype a person or group of people want to lump everyone associated with that group into. Since we'll never really know that much about each other outside the material and discussion (true/honest or not) presented here, there's no way to back up anything in the 'real' world.
That said, for every little comment or tidbit that comes off as <insert negative adjective> or is taken out of context, I've found so much more useful, objective, and thought provoking information and ideas.
Although I've mainly been a lurker, I encourage people here, especially newbies, to think critically about what you find here. Afterall, isn't that why you (or many of us) are here? Because you are tired of taking everything at face value and wondering why your spoon-fed paradigms have been historically ineffective at helping find whatever it is you're looking for?
It's not just the anonymous nature. In fact, truly anonymous boards are very difficult to cherry pick because you can't claim that something said on it is reflective of its overall stance without wider context.
On Reddit, popular users are commonly held to speak for the subs in which they are popular, even when this is not the case.
However, by far the biggest factor in these sorts of misquotations is context. When you see a screencap of an imgur post, you can't tell if it's serious, satire, or they were off their meds and drunk when they made it. It's not possible, so when the person showing you it says "look, X thinks Y is true!" the readers take them at their word.
Combine the erasure of context with the hyperbole and highly aggressive nature of man-to-man communication, and it doesn't look good when sat in a sterile vacuum, but in the context of the sub (and with a little knowledge of where the poster was coming from), suddenly not only is the post not as bad, it's making sense. - and that is what the denigrators cannot stand.
I totally agree with you. The point I was trying to make regarding anonymity is that snap judgments are made about anyone associated with TRP, but they'll never know what people here are like IRL.
To provide some context regarding your point, head on over to the BluePill. When I was initially skeptical of TRP, I wanted to hear the other side of things... but what I found at TBP (for the most part) was exactly what you described and then taken to the next level. When a post there takes something out of context, rather than a rational discussion about it the subject matter the conversations turn towards a circlejerk about what this person and the rest of TRP are like (e.g. neckbeards, psychopaths, virgins, socially awkward) without anything to back it up.
Of course there is going to be stuff here that a lot of people find appalling (that's what down votes are for, right?) but that goes most places on the Internet.
What I find funny is that critics tend to ignore the philosophical tenants of TRP... guess that's their loss though :)
“The other side", as it were, are not interested in debate. They use mockery and repression to convince themselves that they are correct, but, like any good cult, are not interested in interaction with people outside of the hugbox.
A fundamental mistake that new people make is to think that they will provide actual evidence and rational arguments against us, and are then confused when they do not.
You see it across a tight cabal of subreddits - SRS is the hub, but SubredditDrama, TBP, GamerGhazi and so forth are all part of the network.
Hilariously, there are subreddits for debating most of the subs that the SRS lot are opposed to, but the SRS mob don't tend to go there, because they're largely neutral spaces. I always urge new people to go to PurplePillDebate to see what the other side actually thinks, but then, PPD can get a bit flame-war-ish every now and then.
I love it when people who haven't looked at my profile or posting history try to get me "look at what the red pill has turned you into".
Bitch, I was one of the people who helped invent the red pill. I was posting this shit back before there was comment karma or subreddits.
And you know what? It got downvotes, but it didn't get downvoted to oblivion. Because the tinder was there, dry as a bone, and waiting for match. There were plenty of men tired of being shit on for following what everyone (starting with our parents) told us the rules were.
We are the evil you created, the monster you made.
Wanna cry about it, wring your hands, and wait for someone to rescue you? All the white-knights eventually turn into us when they realize that white knighting is good for damsels, but bad for white knights.
So good luck with that.
Speak for yourself. The red pill is just that, it's acceptance of the reality of men's role in society, and male/female dynamics. Regardless of whether or not the pill is bitter, that's what it is. A lot of people use the results to try to get sex. Ok. But that doesn't mean that's the point or what drove everyone here. Some people maybe, but that's tangential.
I really think those 'neckbeard virgin' insults are just a result of psychological projection. The average redditor probably isn't that far off the neckbeard virgin spectrum after all. They get 'triggered' (I hate that word) by us when we openly talk about these issues and then start projecting.
So far, everyone I have overheard in public talking about Reddit amongst themselves or has the sticker, or some other Reddit indicator, looks out of shape, awkward and pasty. They're squirrelly, and still into childish things. The pictures from the Reddit meetups for my city are just a cringey disaster. It doesn't have to be that way.
That's cool Reddit, if that's how you want to roll, I'm not necessarily judging that on its own. But you can't assail others who are on the hunt to build some actual man shit and get a little testosterone circulating and achieve some classic masculinity and the benefits and deep personal and social responsibilities that come with it.
(It's been a slow day at work and I've been all over this fantastic thread and the whole thing is inspiring the fuck out of me to get home soon and manhandle my wife, maybe take her somewhere nice, perhaps spend tomorrow afternoon building something useful.)
Love the post, this reminds me of the point brought up in the book "how to win friends and influence people". The idea that everyone has a deep imbedded need to feel appreciated.
With the given environment this is increasingly hard. Appreciation comes from various categories in life; Sex, friends, family , career. No one wants to feel worthless.
You know, as someone with "a foot in each world", so to speak, I find this post to be a very genuine, calm, and well-written summary of why people seek out TRP's help. Whatever the other members of Reddit think about TRP, if they read this I'm reasonably confident that they'd find it mostly agreeable (provided it was presented as not RP so no prejudice could make them dislike it from the get-go). All in all, this is just a quality post.
Good work, OP.
Thanks, Spartacus.
Notice how they (feminists) still use sex to try to control men?
The shaming technique is just a manipulation technique and when men stop buying into it we are better off
Hey I get laid a lot and I am here? sexless virgin, oh god I wish I was lol.
You may get hated and burned here on reddit, but this is not where the real battles are fought, it is out there in the real world. You guys get laid and get what you want, they don't. It is easy for people to say anything and attack anybody online, but how many can in the real world? Cock sucking wankers, mostly.
Sex is a need which almost everybody has. And there are a lot of hypocrites who say oh its not that important, but really they just try to downplay it coz theyre either not getting a sufficient amount of it or none at all
I just say, go do what the fuck you want and take what you want in life. Who gives a shit if people hate you for it, either here online or out there. You win nothing by living by other peoples approval, unless youre the biggest ass kisser in the world.
The people who deride this subforum are people I feel sorry for. Their lives are full of hatred and anger hidden behind a thin facade of sarcasm. If you are curious, go to one of the subforums that call us "neckbeards" and click the post history of a few of the frequent posters.
I did, and in their post histories I found many of them were people who were significantly obese, or who were in extreme debt, or who were living life in squalor. In other words, people who don't matter to this world. I would advise you all to ignore their existence.
This isn't exclusive to TheRedPill. In another reddit forum a person told me that the streets should run red with my families blood for no reason besides the fact I was a landlord who had a few nice cars. There are people out there who are so concerned with tearing others down that they don't realize they are responsible for their own miserable lives. They are the loudest voices and there unfortunately is no reasoning with them.
Just like a plate who gets too clingy, NEXT those losers and focus on self improvement and people who matter.
Reminds me of observing political discussions on Facebook. I saw one recently that was full of absurdly incendiary, borderline racist comments about Obama. I went through and looked at some random profile pages and saw universally people living in tiny, anonymous rural areas, who were obese, haggard-looking, unsophisticated. 48 year old dishwashers and unemployed people, no college educations at all. No way these folks had ever left the country, and likely not even their own state. But somehow they had no problem forming all kinds of political opinions and ideas about foreign policy and screaming at everyone who felt differently from them.
I would not use that information or someone's Reddit post history actively against them, but it's telling to see that sort of thing. I'd say I've only seen that loud, angry, hostile behavior from people who are just not doing very well for themselves.
There is something to the vitriol of a persons argument that speaks to the class of the individual. When people are downright nasty, like what you experienced on Facebook or what we see from certain subforums, it strongly suggests their lives are a mess.
In short: when life is good, when money is good, when sex is good, it's hard to work up much anger over inconsequential things. It just rolls off your back.
This righteous fury I feel boiling in me while reading your excellent note.
Reminds me of this excerpt from Fight Club, I don't think it's a coïncidence :
We are Men. And we are taking back Manhood.
Stand Strong Brothers.
Also, we should remember something, here :
From The Iron, Henry Rollins
dI myself am here when as a borderline purplepiller started talking to a redpiller at a party, unknowing that he was a redpiller as I had heard of this subreddit and checked it from time to time, discussed sexual dyanmics and how women worked. And the more I read, the more I learned myself the nature of said dynamics, shit tests, SMV and RMV, the CC, and how much it's happened to me (shit tests) that this was the right place for me, and you guys (and now myself, the more and more I read) get it. As well as improving and working on myself and my views of the world and being aware of how things actually work, and I thank you all.
Edit: Cool, Gold! Thanks guy!
Edited for format and clarification and when I saw that a mod posted it.
I'm responding to how I understood this post, which I found worded strangely with a changing point being made. TRP was never about sex for me, even when I was purple pill, slightly above normal weight/build (shit) below normal height, I got more sex than I could handle and was much more often approached by girls than I approached them. After I broke up with an ex girlfriend I got after I decided to cool it with the multiple partners, I went 8 months not having any libido. I've never been in a relationship where I was the most common initiator of sex or the one that found it to be most important or pleasurable. Since I always had access to it, it's simply something that people do (Source: Every single persons biological parents.) and something that my parents always demonized.
TRP in my life has never been about sex at all. In my opinion, revolving anything around gaining sex is pathetic. TRP for me has always been about making oneself the best possible man one can be, which in turn makes one the best possible option for sex as a result of being better, not as a goal from the beginning. I feel like this post is about a small subset of TRP, and one that is from a very
new poster/memberSomeone making blanket statements directed towards getting the attention of the subset it's about? There are far too many aspects of TRP not about sex for everyone here to have come because they had problems with getting sex, and there are plenty of places elsewhere for people to go that take much less work to obtain the sex they want.If you need examples of reasons I use TRP, read the sidebar. I'm in it for the psychology and general knowledge that is displayed and because I just like the truth, whether it be good or bad for me. It has helped me get more sexual attention, but it has also
changedsolidified my views and respect for/about sex and women in a way that can bother a (in my opinion for myself) high quality LTR (at least in my age group of late teens-early twenties) who sees sex as something intimate between two partners. I had a difficult conversation about sex with my LTR and explained that I never saw it as something intimate after I turned 13 because it's just something so normal and prevalent not only in the hookup culture proliferated by almost all forms of media, but also because at its core, it's really not special. And she strongly disagreed.TL;DR: TRP isn't about sex. It's about being the best possible you.
Woman hate us because we are taking their power
Men in groups that involve woman hate us because they want to white knight the chicks
Men alone fucking love us
The core content here tends not to be bigoted, but from my experience, quite a good number of the commenters are. Probably because they joined simply because they want a place to vent the hate that they have built up in their life.
RPS is always such a fine, articulate and balanced writer. Beautiful post.
I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.
So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.
The most bigoted? Have these people not seen r/fatpeoplehate?
It's almost like the have an agenda to push behind a fig leaf of science. Or something.
TRP hasn't helped me get laid or turned me into a scathing misogynist. In fact, the relationship between my girlfriend and I, one that's going on 2 years, is better than ever. She has told me on multiple occasions that assertiveness has played a big part in this. She also knows that some of that has come from /r/theredpill.
Anyone believing that TRP is a bunch of guys jacking it because they can't get laid should look in the mirror. At simple face value, TRP is way more than that, anyone thinking otherwise is willfully ignorant. Why take a couple of minutes to learn anything at all about a subject when you can just cry and moan and get it banned?
Of those two, which is more likely to be effective at silencing TRP?
Even if everyone here is a "sexless, virgin, neckbeard", which is what your missive implies, isn't it better to have us mouth off online than actually bother women in our quest for orgasms all the time? That's what I don't get about people who want to ban any subreddit, be it trp or anything else.
If we are in fact attracting a certain percentage of those guys, then good. They are insufferable and practically useless as men. They are the extreme example of the kind of guy who desperately needs the wisdom here. (If any women disagree and find that assessment harsh, I invite them to go find one and fuck one.) If all they do is observe step 1 and start working out, a waterfall of improvements will follow. Drop the pokemon, get on some man shit.
Instructions unclear. Dropped pokemon on man shit.
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on this sub. It has worked wonders for me.
If that's the actual way they imagine, oh they are making such a big mistake. When one of the main things about a RedPill or MGTOW, is lifting and fitness, and RedPill man are pretty good at attracting women, and striving to be alpha males.
In the end, the bad intended women won't change their minds, and the beta bucks is bad mainly for them.
Who the fuck declared us the most bigoted subreddit anyway? How come it's fine when feminists make man hating statements in public places, but when A FEW of RedPill man might show a somewhat hatred towards some women, it's a major tragedy and needs to stop. The only sex you may hate is male, under any condition. Even if that bitch ex lazy wife stole all your hard earned money and car and house in the divorce, she being a fucking moronic ass that cheated on you and never worked a day in her pathetic existence.
most of us didn't get here on accident. And if you did you didn't stay on accident. Great insight
Immediately after reading this I subscribed. I will have to read more posts but I have always feel this is somewhere to I can relate to.I have always felt unwanted and unappreciated. Maybe because I was slightly chubby and messy when I was younger. I was never the guy the girls talked about. I was always the funny sweet one. Now because of this I changed my look, work out ever day and even tidy my hair occasionally. My narcissism has hit a point where even if a girl makes a move on me I feel it as pity. I can see how a girl might approach a friend of mine but could never accept one would like me. I feel like i will end up as Jeff Winger, calling a phone sex line to see if a women would like me for the person I am not what I look like.
Some men come here to LOSE their anger towards women contrary to the reverse belief that they come here to fuel that anger.
I'm a semi good looking successful engineer that puts honesty before all things and I easily apply red pill methodology in my life. I'm not a player or a womanizer, I discovered bluepill first ironically and subscribed to both after awhile. I couldn't stand bluepill and agreed with majority of trp.
If you want proof, I'm proof. AMA! I can record a say in my life to show you I'm not some fat ass in mom's basement jacking off all day, but a successful social and sane man who enjoys his work. There are many like me! Stick around to see!
I'd restate that a bit, that they don't come here to lose their anger but rather that they lose their anger as a result of what they read here. There's no reason to be angry at women for being what they are any more than there is a reason to be angry at a cat for doing what it does.
"Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks" after all, so why get upset when a hoe is a hoe?
You have. I am actually here to learn more about you guys by asking a few questions. I promise not to chide anyone here.
What sort of insults lead you guys to The Red Pill? Who insults you guys?
How do you define manhood? Does proclaiming you guys don't get sex really revoke you of your manhood?
Order of operations to what?
Is sexlessness used to dismiss you guys? Are your guys views being dismissed or rejected? What are your views? How has being sexless made you adopt these views as a last ditch effort? Why is sexual success important? Does it matter what gender you achieve sexual success with? How much effort do you guys put in towards sexual success before resorting to this last ditch effort? Will your views be considered valid with sexual success? What exactly was effective?
Is sex required to feel like you belong and are accepted? Can the same be said for women? Do you guys accept yourselves for who you are? If not, do you need to have sex in order to?
Does everyone in this subreddit believe they're sexually undesirable? Who says you are sexually undesirable? Is being sexually desirable important in a relationship?
How have advances left you crushed and depressed? What sort of advances do you guys take? Do you guys make advances just for sex? Are you treated as creepy for making advances? Is rejection worse then murder for you guys?
What caused your relationship(s) to break or marriages(s) to crumble? Are you guys partly responsible for your relationship(s) or marriage(s) ending? Do you guys pursue another relationship after having been in one or after having a divorce?
Do you see yourselves as outcasts if you're not in a relationship or having sex? Do none of you believe you can find a significant other?
Do you believe having access to sex grants you the right to either have or speak an opinion? Do other peoples opinions matter (Especially if they have sex)? Must other genders have sex for their right to have or speak an opinion?
Does it matter if you're any other gender?
Is it important to all men? Is sex with the same gender or other genders just as important?
What problem brought you all together? Sexlessness?
Are you guys social outcasts? If so, what for?
Are past high school reputations equivalent to current sexual social status?
Are all pimply-faced nerds, short guys, the fat, the skinny, or your idea of ugly people affected by sexlessness or social dismissal? Does it affect more than just the pimply-faced nerds, short guys, the fat, the skinny, your idea of ugly people or men? Who doesn't it affect? Does being short, fat, skinny, ugly, or pimply-faced mean you're sexually undesirable by everyone and thus social dismissed?
Could you define inter-gender relations for me? How have they changed in 30 years? How does it affect us all?
Are you stating that school shootings, male suicide rate, gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns are from male sex deprivation? Are there actual statistics to back your claims?
Can we be these without needing sex?
What environment? How has it been changed? How has everyone else aside from men been affected by it?
Are you guys still trying to find compassion, belonging, or empathy? Do you guys feel compassionate, longing, or empathy towards others (No matter whom they are)? Does being sexless keep you from finding others compassion or empathy?
Are you guys an organized group? What needs to be addressed?
By asking for more information! :D
Seems to me you've either been unable to comprehend my piece or you're being willfully obtuse. I'm happy to entertain questions, but not three hundred of them that demonstrate an unwillingness to apply even a smidgen of critical thought into comprehending what I've written.
Gather your thoughts and try again.
They're legitimate questions, I'm completely oblivious about most of this sub. Any other search or such I've done on this subreddit is instantly met with accusations of bigotry and arguing.I figure asking someone like yourself would help my understanding a bit. I don't want you to play three hundred questions with me, but if you would answer a handful of my questions to help enlighten me, then that'll be very appreciated.
The guys here have either had limited success with women/relationships, or no success using basic advice and life skills they learned from culture. They've earned scorn from popular culture for masculinity. Many suffered at the hands of feminism- losing child custody battles, child support, alimony.
Came here. Found reality. Got better results.
Alright, thank you. I still have a few more questions though. (Warning: seemingly obtuse questions) How do you guys define masculinity? Does being in a relationship or having "success" with woman mean your masculine? What do you guys consider to be success with women? Have you guys tried your own way of picking up women aside from using basic advice? How has popular culture scorn you guys for not being in a relationship or being successful with women? Is feminism truly the cause for such things as child support, alimony, and losing child custody? What's the "reality" and how has it helped you guys get better results?
I think it speaks volumes these guys like to talk about their problems and how they're all normal people, but you try to ask reasonable questions about their beliefs and they dance around them and act like you're the idiot for asking them.
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Honestly, who would **** someone that just broke down in tears? Not many aside from a few sadist or psychos. I truly feel (No matter how obtuse) that my questions are legitimate, yet none of you have even bothered to at least answer one of them. I've been listening, and all I've heard from you guys is "men have to deal with a lot of BS" from "feminist retards". Not one of you have told me what sort of BS us men must put up with that other genders don't. Are there not women who must 'work hard' to 'make money' in order to 'provide' for their family (or even just children)? Especially considering they can be seen by potential employers as a maternity risk or the fact that they'll probably have a wage gap 22% less than your average male employee. By your argument alone, I'd imagine both you and feminist would agree for equality in that regard. I'm sure it's undignified ("Unmanly") for any parent to break down in front of their children no matter what gender they are. Me personally, I would find any parent to be a bit pathetic if they broke down in front of their children because it's expected of them to provide for them. Honestly, it's "unmanly" to me if you can't handle the pressure of working and providing for your family. I don't take too kindly to being told "stfu and listen" since all I have done is listen and reply accordingly. If anything, I feel you didn't even bother reading my questions before telling me you "couldn't be f**ked reading" them. How about you take the time to listen to my questions before telling me that I "have no idea what it is like to be a man in this stupid feminised metro-sexual society". Otherwise, just swallow your own pill.
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Of course women don't know what it is like to be a man, because they're women. Same can be said for us, neither you nor I know what it's like to be a woman. What's with crying? That's a natural response to being in distress. Everyone feels distressed at some point in their life whether it be expressed with tears or subtle expression. Not to mention, I've seen grown ass men sob over referee calls in a NFL game and it be socially more accepted than a woman crying over some pop star. But honestly, who actually cares? It shouldn't matter to you whether something as crying is socially acceptable amongst other men or not. A true man wouldn't care what others thought of him like some self conscious teenage school girl would (That was a joke).
Okay. From what you told me it sounds like you are not a feminist. However, you do like to disagree with things you honestly understand, just for the sake of a debate. In effect, you seem to be confusing yourself for the sake of it, rather than just accepting what you already know, and adapting your attitude to benefit from it. Sincerely, good luck.
It's not that I am confusing myself. In my original comment, I made it point to say I was curious of this subreddit and what you guys think. If that means I either obtusely ask questions like I were Socrates high off weed or debate points with counter points, then so be it. That's basically what learning is after all. With each question I ask and each point I debate do I learn more about what you guys are about and what you guys proclaim to be the "true reality". Problem I seem to have is that my questions are overlooked with responses that answer none of them. You guys constantly make it a point that men are unfairly held to a higher bar than women and that they've somehow have domain over most men simply because they selectively withdraw sex from us without even explaining how or even providing any evidence supporting those claims. I'm beginning to suspect that you guys can't answer my questions or make a point simply because you guys don't have one. Until someone informs me otherwise, I'm pretty sure that's the case.
So I just want to say something here. I'm a female. I'm subbed here for a reason. I think it's very interesting to see your view of things we women do. Not all of us women are the same though. But I like to check out what you guys have gone through so I can keep my own relationship on check. So I actually appreciate what you guys do here.
The ratio of words to pictures of your tits is all off.
Yeahhh well that's not gunna happen
Tits or get the fuck out. Read that plus the top comment in that thread.
I wasn't looking for anyone's approval or attention. I was just commenting.
He being a douche. What they mean about Tit's are gtfo is that you either show proof, or gtfo. They don't want people making post. Not commenting. Beer was a plain douche. Now I wait for the downvotes.
Yeahhh oh well. People are just assholes
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I thought this sub only managed to eek out an honorable mention in terms of bigotry and "general misanthrope" in the last "Which part of reddit do you hate the most" thread. Go us for coming out on top
It's a new "study"
https://archive.today/kIRmq
When i was young I thought the Battle of the Sexes was political humor. Now that I'm an older divorced guy, I'm a believer.
Marriage = Battle of the Sexes won.
Sorry to say, you didn't win that round. How's the harem coming along?
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The "no sex" accusation used to bother me when I was younger, but now I don't care. When I work at myself, women desire me, and when I don't, there is always porn. It's all good.
Great post. I would like to add, and this is purely anecdotal (isn't everything on a website), that even my girlfriend (who didn't know I was reading this sub), mainly agreed with RP ideas.
As I explained some terms, like beta orbiter, she rattled off all the ones she used to have and laughed about it.
When I told her that women will make guys they like wait, while fucking the other guy, not only did she admit to it being true, but put the onus on the "nice guy" to recognize in what way he might be being used. She also said she would understand if the nice guy didn't want any part of the fact that he had to wait... And that's why she'd do what she needed to so he wouldn't find out.
Really, I expected somewhat different answers from her about RP (and yes, I know, I shouldn't be talking about RP). AWALT... Even the woman I love. LOL.
I think sex for men, is the same as validation for women
If men in general shat all over women and didn't give a fuck about them, they would be an even greater scourge than men, going for man to man in hope of some comfort and safety in their life and whoreing themselves out with their body, just like men whore themselves out with our validation and comfort today.
Tl;dr
Life is ONLY about sex on a fundamental l, survival, evolutionary level.
I never had an issue attracting women and most of my relationships were pretty much initiated by them. My problem was that I didn't know how to keep them around and I'd eventually kill the spark by pulling out some beta shit. Back in high school I went through an asshole phase and after much success, I found myself asking why women only loved me when I was a dick.
TRP taught me why though and why I pretty much have to keep my finger on the eject button at all times. I pretty much had a hunch about most of the shit posted here but I can't thank TRP enough for constantly clearing everything up. Fuck all the femtards and thirsty whiteknights
This resonates.
I'm not a subscriber because I couldn't get laid. Far from it. I'm here for the same reason I subscribe to /r/mensrights. I'm sick of the one sided laws and man hating disguised as feminism. I got screwed so bad by the system. I see unfair bias in peoples comments on other sub's and it sickens me.
Sure this sub is mostly about "game$ and what it means to be a man. Bit the real underlying thread of commonality with all of us here is frustration over society.
this post almost brought me to tears.
well done good sir. well done!
I find something close to this "belonging" sense you speak of in music. When I play with others. Part of that is because of this thing that happens called "The Flow" (a psychological term that means that sort of zen state of mind you get when you're playing music). I don't get it doing anything else. There's something like it that I get when I work out or go for a long bike ride or a hike...all good things, but they don't include the closeness to other people that playing music does.
No you've got it all wrong, red pillers do get laid because they use mind tricks to force women to have sex with them. Red pillers are effectively raping women using their evil sorcery.
#stoptherapepillers
I've long ago stopped giving a fuck about people who have no credibility to begin with. They can tell me I'm a loser neckbeard struggling to get laid all they want. If they don't know me, wouldn't the most likely explanation for them saying that be that they're projecting? Maybe not their real self, but their poor self-image? The scariest monsters are the ones that remind us of ourselves.
From what I've gathered from this and other subs, I get laid WAY more than average. I'm literally here to learn how to avoid relationships. And I'd be willing to bet that's true for a lot of the older guys as well.
They keep trying to make it about "losers trying to get laid" so that they can preserve the power of modern relationship dynamics, and/or feel better about themselves even knowing that they're plugged in and on the losing end.
A blue pill woman will do anything to preserve the status quo. A blue pill man will do anything to reassure himself. TRP is a radical group. It goes against the status quo. Hate is inevitable.
this post cant possibly receive enough praise. and im sorry I cant really contribute to this, you pretty much said it all. kinda wish you would post this on purple pill debates just for the hell of it.
RPS hits another one out of the park. This should almost be a link for the new people stopping by to read first.
We are indeed college professors, and lawyers and doctors and fishermen and plumbers and soldiers. We are the Red Pill. It's not that we hate women, but we understand them now and the truth informs our political and world views.
That is why they are so scared.
That part about sex is completely true.
It's the only thing that really makes you feel loved/a sense of belonging.
Great post.
big·ot·ed
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adjective
having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.
"a bigoted group of reactionaries"
It's a board of logical ideas that are open to discussion that can be challenged or rebound by design to find logical meaning to things that can help a man and woman.
They aren't beliefs if they're proven true to the person.
I see it as a bunch grammar nazis and thought police on the Internet that feel that way...
As for intolerance... we call them how we see them... I'm not for inequality or want women to be enslaved by ideals as much as the next guy here. However tearing down one side to level the playing field isn't right either. So for anti-feminism banter, it's because of the injustices to men so they're addressed.
This sub has one of the best tolerances I've seen in terms of opinions on matters discussed. Almost anyone can jump in with what they think as long as it's an intelligent response and doesn't come across the lines of trolling or shaming insults.
I bet people think that because they disagree with something written here and when they replied they got down voted... but that's reddit.
I can promise you that the people who say that tend to follow the same personality profile in more ways than one.
I started on sosuave and the people there helped me a lot. I had a very painful and destructive oneitis. Then TRP appeared.. and since then i truly believe that this is the only subbreddit where you can discuss rationally. The most frustrating thing is when you get downvoted to hell on certain subreddits because you asked a question or stated something opposing to "accepted" norm. The frustrating thing is that even discussing an issue is not allowed. It's like we always have to ask questions that could offend someone and wnd up discussing how cute cats and weather are.... Anyway i thank TRP for helping me improving relations with women. It also added to my life a lot of serenity and now women actually are attracted to me due to that (too late for that though i am on the MGTOW road and i don't care abt the world anymore.... Sadly enough....)
If acknowledging the existence of the dark side of female nature is misogyny. Acknowledging the evil side of male nature is Misandry.
If bettering myself, understanding myself, and taking a hard look at myself and accepting why I struggle in life make me a bigot then awesome! 3 years ago I deleted all my social media accounts, changed my number, and moved to a new state, where I knew no one, to go spend time by myself figuring out why I wasn't happy. I read self help books, entrepreneurial books, PUA books and so on. Things have dramatically changed in my life but it hasn't been enough to satisfy my hunger for who I know I can become.
I don't remember exactly how I stumbled upon this subreddit. When I first started reading I thought along the same lines as I'm sure many others have. I thought what a bunch of alpha male, meat head, douches. This is a bunch of guys just being assholes and disrespecting women and their feelings to get sex.
I thought back on my past relationships and how they fell apart and truths of the red pill/blue pill conundrum started ringing true. I started seeing why certain girls left me that I didn't want to leave and why I couldn't leave certain girls that I desperately wanted to leave but drew the breakup out for months and months.
I think deep down every man wants to help people, be kind, be generous, be loved, and respected. However my mother used to tell me that you can't help anyone if you don't help yourself first.
The red pill isn't about hating women it's about maximizing your own potential. If you're maximizing your potential you can't stand to be around people that aren't doing the same.
When men rant about women they aren't really ranting about women they are ranting about girls that haven't and aren't actively maximizing their potential. I can see why this would be frustrating for not just red pill men but for anybody that's worked hard to put themselves in a better place.
There are a lot of women out there who also haven't had a lot of luck with dating. Probably in equal numbers to the men who come to the redpill feeling undesirable. Women also like feeling wanted. I think that's a human thing. Why don't red pill men seek these women out? There are lots and lots of them. They might not be a 10/10 (just like most guys can't be the incredible hulk), but a lot of them are sensible, smart, nice, good people. Shouldn't that count more?
That explains the huge self help industry for women who can't get laid.
I don't agree with this--or rather, I don't want to agree with this. I hate this idea that sex is the most important thing for us men. I hate the idea of being emotionally reliant on it. As long as we feel like we need sex, we will be at the mercy of the vagina (or the hand, or the onahole).
Obviously anything against the feminist agenda is immediately considered sexist because women want the power. They want to be able to use there pussy to manipulate males. When they cant they lose the power. They wouldn't have to attack the red pill if it wasn't true and didn't work. They could simply ignore it move on and maintain the statas quo. The fact of the matter is through the red pill men are learning how to control the dating world and stop buying into the bull shit. When you stop buying into bullshit who gets mad? The one shoveling it down your throat. The lose of control over men is so baffling and so shocking that women will say we are oppressing them just by trying to be a equal individual free from manipulation. Every time I see some neurotic whiny women online crying about the lose of control over her man or how the red pill is so sexist I laugh because I know one more man discovered the truth and now the women has lost the control. It is music to my ears.
"But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!" “Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.” ― Oscar Wilde he would disagree.
I have an amazing RPW and she barely knows it. She is a problem solver, a solution finder and never a weepy, oh lonesome me type Skank. I love this girl and she knows it. I respect her like no other. And I dominate her in the bedroom. She is a high earner, smart as fuck and I'm the one who controls the seriousness of the relationship...all of this....thanks to RP.
The ones who spend all their time bragging about getting bitches are usually the ones who don't get many at all
Cuz we don't have to get bitches. Cuz we know we can. It's too easy.
Wow this is the best thread, and explanation of The Red Pill I've looked at in a very long time. Thank you very much for addressing this topic. Great post.
I like you girl, you hate what you fear, and you fear what you don't understand
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Why should you feel unwelcome? Married guys are more than welcome.
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If you're already married, then I expect you to maintain your commitment. Nobody here is advocating leaving your marriage.
But that doesn't change the reality that a marriage puts a loaded gun in your face and puts your wife's finger on the trigger.
It might not be a happy thing to think about, but you can't just ignore it. Well you can, but it doesn't make it go away.
The fact is, yes, marriages are more likely than not to end in divorce. It sucks but that's what it is.
If you're looking for support nevertheless, check posts tagged LTR for long-term-relationship game. Those can help.
Who says we don't understand anything? We're here to fuck women, not men. I don't give a flying shit if men are 100 times worse than women at everything. I'm not fucking men.
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I don't care what you're talking about, because we're here to talk about who we're here to fuck.
From the sidebar:
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More bigoted than r/coontown. Got it. Jeez.
When you are called a bigot nowadays it's like being called antisemitic, you know you start to touch the truth somehow and people are pissed to see their own truth.
I can't stand when some loser who sits at a computer all day whining on tumblr about "cis gendered men" thinks that free human beings (men) aren't entitled to casual sex or simply saying "hi" to a chick they find attractive. These people seriously live in la-la land. More importantly though…
WHY SHOULD I LISTEN TO JUST ANY STRANGER ON THE INTERNET TELL ME I'M WRONG? WHAT MAKES YOU WORTH LISTENING TO? YOUR TUMBLR LOGIC? LOL! Tumblr activists simply can't understand the concept that you have to not be completely full of shit and insult people if you want people to listen to you.
Most women who enjoy a good time agree with TRP concepts without labeling them. They think that guys who don't know how to take what they want and "be sexy" are unattractive and "soft" I've had MANY MANY women confirm this over time.. All sorts of women from girlfriends, co-workers, platonic friends, even my own mother said to me "girls don't want to listen to your feelings".
I think being a jerk is kind of over-played and high school-ish. Being playful (teasing, joking around playful touch) is way better and goes a longer way. Getting a girl to do stuff for you too (giving you rides, cooking, grabbing something from the store for you while she's out etc..) turns them on because they "feel needed".
Marxism these days uses two different techniques.
The two branches are:
Racism
Sexism
. Any time you play into their lies they win.
Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism,Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism,Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism...
You would think by now people get it.
Any time you hear those key words you just automatically check out because you know all that is coming at you are lies and manipulations. Just wake up to it.
Of course this sub is filled with sexless people, its a place to change. People come here because they dont jave sex, ejat do you expect? The points hold, rp works, if you trully work on it, instead of just reading.
This is quite good. I hope the haters read it I think it will help them understand.
When people say that shit, I get more inspired LOL.
Interloper here!
I'll admit I have a bit of a morbid fascination with The Red Pill. I don't consider myself one of you but don't want to be. But I've realized that this place isn't the cesspool of boogie-men it's often made out to be (though like a lot of communities there are more than a few seriously awful people who populate this place). I've posted in here before and ended up in surprisingly reasonable conversations -- I expected cultists. Here's what I see:
1) It has to be said: the "Red Pill Manifesto" you can find on the side bar reads like it was written by a lunatic. I'm sorry, it does.
2) But really, a lot of that is putting common sense, innocent ideas into a weird, overwrought set of rules that presumes agency and motive where none exists. It's like this whole framework of keywords and theories of power dynamics, ulterior motives, etc., built to circle around an obvious point like "Women are attracted to attractive dudes more than unattractive dudes."
3) So it feels like the conspiracy theorists approach to relationships. Like, obvious things you just come to understand as you mature are approached as if they were talismanic secrets uncovered after years of study. It feels as if a wild-haired mad scientist were to run up to you with a sheaf of papers and explain to you in rabid patter this complicated theorem, pointing to his yarn-covered wall of scraps, and once you grasp what he's actually saying under the layers of rulesets and exposition, your response is: "Well...yeah, duh."
4) So, a lot of the concrete advice arrived at is actually fairly solid: focus on you, learn how to be happy with yourself, don't obsess over women or a woman, realize that ladies aren't magic, don't paint yourself into a worldview where you are weak and nothing. All good stuff.
5) But some guys aren't good with nuance. They'd internalized this view of women being powerful and dominant over them and wanted to escape. But instead of realizing this "power" was imagined, all they can replace it with is an attempt to take this "power" to themselves. They'd felt trapped, but instead of realizing the trap was illusory, they want to deploy the trap themselves. A comment above me says that one the things TRP does is help people "knock the women off their pedestal." But you're not "knocking them off" -- most often you're the one that put them there because you imagined the pedestal. Don't blame her for your delusion! Don't be angry at someone for your misconception.
6) These are the people who give The Red Pill it's bite and that people react to. The type who can only conceive of a relationship in terms of power and control, and want to be the ones in control. These people are creepy and dangerous, especially combined with the attraction of a conspiratorial worldview that lets them figure it all out.
7) If you cruise around here, you can see that undercurrent of malice all the time. "Women tried to trick me, but now I'm on to their game." And it's disturbing. People saying with a straight face that women as a sex are incapable of true honesty or nurturing. That is batshit. Maybe a woman lied to you, betrayed you -- sure, there are shitty people out there. But the world wasn't tricking you. Perhaps you harbored delusions about the world, but they were of your own making. And realize that your propensity for delusions may not have abated, you may just be replacing them.
8) So, maybe you were "beta." Maybe you were a "Nice Guy (TM)" who "put the pussy on a pedestal." Maybe coming here and reading this website snapped you out of it. Great!! Take charge of your life. But it might not be healthy to stay here and let this become a worldview, because you might start to fall in with the creeps.
Didn't RPS make a post about how people would try to concede some of the points about the Redpill that are just absolutely undeniable now (but were denied in the past - such as the "women don't like masculine men - they really want sensitive guys" myth) and then try to say, "but you should really avoid those Redpill guys, they seem dangerous and creepy. Everybody knows women like masculine, muscular men and always has".
Because if you were going to read that post of RPS and make a post showing an example, it would be the post above me.
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I mean, the fact that you guys have a "Glossary of Shaming Tactics" with code words and everything is kinda what I'm talking about. It comes off as weird and cult-ish.
So sources of information come off as cultish to you now?
Opponents that are not making logical arguments or don't care to actually deal with your ideas in a fair manner will use duplicitous arguments. The people who don't believe in evolution do the same thing. You could also make a glossary of shaming tactics or arguments there too, because it's so boilerplate.
There's a set of talking points that they will try to frame the debate into, and will hammer you with whatever point they think will be most effective.
It's the same thing with arguments about the Redpill.
It was when I was arguing with a feminist plate (the one who told me to "educate myself" and led me here accidentally) that I came across the shaming tactics and realized she had more or less only been using those arguments against me. Even when they didn't fit precisely.
It's a powerful tool for men to see that these are all rehashed, rehearsed arguments.
The fact that there is a glossary demonstrates that people like you aren't original or critical thinkers.
Or, if multiple people see something and have the same reaction, they might be on to something.
Nice try.
That logic works both ways, hence the creation of the sidebar. The difference is that our observations are based on reality.
The aforementioned shaming tactics predate TRP and are regurgitated in nearly identical form across many different contexts. The shaming glossary isn't merely a compendium of what TRP critics say, but a pattern that mediocre minds resort to when they cannot offer a rational rebuttal.
Your argument is nothing but mere rhetoric. Here we deal in facts, observable behavior, and repeatable results. On that basis, you have nothing.
What you and those who employ such infantile tactics do have, are deficient reading comprehension skills and knee-jerk responses. Have fun with that.
You must be from TBP.
1 - Jump out the gate basically calling us lunatics. Noice.
2 - I really don't get what you're trying to say here. We're putting "obvious", "common sense" to malicious uses because we think women play the game of love and lust with the same amount of effort that men do?
3 - A really colorful way of calling us lunatics again without really making any points. You're essentially saying our heads are just as far up our asses as David Icke.
4 - Then you go on to agree with the majority of our tenets? The fuck?
5 - Then you go on to admit you missed the most important tenet of them all : self-awareness. Anybody who has a basic grasp on this sub knows that they are the common denominator in all of their problems. For a lot of men, before they came here they did not even realize the degree they were allowing themselves to be trampled upon.
6 - This is a huge over-exaggeration. We teach men to be leaders, not dictators, and yeah, you might read some posts about a guy who may have taken a course of action you consider to be too far - welcome to critical thinking! You're going to have to be doing a lot of that for yourself if you want to hang around here.
7 - Again, blown out of proportion. It's this popular idea that women are not malicious, and even though they have plenty of social weapons at their disposal, they "would never, ever do a terrible thing like (lie,cheat,steal)". It's not that we think all women are amoral, self-centered cunts, but we believe all women are capable of being those things. We grew up hearing "Women are made of sugar and spice and everything nice" while boys are made of "greasy, grimy gopher guts". That's the sentiment among most adults in the world today - that women are more benevolent and good than men. We seek to show men that this isn't true - they're human beings just like us, and part of that means they're just as capable of fucking you over as a man is.
8 - You go on to close by saying "Hey! I know TRP really helped you turn your life around, but now that's happened, abandon all that bullshit because some people are going to judge you. You wouldn't want to be cast out of the flock again, would you?"
Seriously, a whole fucking bag of dicks dude. Eat 'em up.
I'm not trying to win any kind of debate with you, I'm just telling you the impression you make to outsiders in my opinion. (And I'll admit I threw in some personal editorial.) In this thread even, I see a lot of defensiveness and a definite hard edge in many comments. You are free to believe or not believe that this is the impression that you make, and are always welcome to voice your opinion that this impression is unfair.
I'm just saying, it seems weird to have an "-ism" or personal philosophy that is built entirely around dating and relationships. It's just a part of life we all learn and grow with, and it's strange when it's given such a tactical and overwhelming focus.
Here's the thing - nobody cares. TRP isn't about reaching the masses of feebs or about spreading the gospel or about convincing much of anyone of much of anything. This isn't a movement or grass roots effort that cares about the "impression" that we leave on anyone. It's about formerly lame dudes helping each other become less lame.
Right, you crafted your root comment fairly well and so you drew out a bunch of that. Good for you, 6/10 plus points for follow through.
Of the many things of the sidebar that you won't bother yourself to read, the one that would perhaps give you the most insight the fastest is Confessions Of A Reformed Incel. There are a fair percentage of the readers here who identify with that particular experience to one degree or another.
Living through such will in fact give you a hard edge, and this sub is one of the few places where they can engage in real talk. This might hurt your feelings or at least take you aback, but I can promise that few here care.
I feel for the pain you guys have felt. I know it must suck to spend years feeling unwanted.
That article, it's disturbing to me. I don't think that guy is learning the right lessons. I think he is just displacing rage and hatred he had towards himself outwards, rather than addressing the source which was his own insecurities. Many, many men manage to live in this world without feeling assaulted by it, and many of them are fat, slow, unattractive, etc. He built that cage around himself, not society, not women, not the world.
Nobody has the world figured out, and that includes a bunch of rules put up on Reddit.
Here's what I know: I watched my parents be married for 30+ years. When my dad passed, the last thing he saw in life was my mom telling him she loves him. I saw her go through years of pain to make his last time on this earth comfortable and give him a chance at survival.
My dad was a man. A real man in every sense. And if I came to my father spouting some of the nonsense in this sub, he would shake his fucking head in disappointment.
I see the people on this sub yearning for meaning and connection, I see pain and alienation, and I get so goddamned frustrated. These rules and buzzwords-- they're not leading you to happiness. It's like I see you all developing rules to get you to the points you thought mattered when you were 15, only to put yourself on a path that you'll realize down the line is just winning at a game that doesn't exist. And you'll find yourself 50, on your second divorce, either realizing you've slipped into another cage or just fooling yourself into thinking you were proven right once again.
But I know you'll just call me a blue pill agitator, so fuck it. I'm out.
So you immediately turn to blame and shame within a sentence or two. It goes to show how weak men are viewed in society - with hatred and contempt. Men understand this, which is why you only read stories like this on anonymous internet forums. Perhaps you'd prefer that he sucked a bullet out of a gun - that way at least there wouldn't be anything disturbing to you to read, just another male suicide to cluck-cluck over. Golly how horrible he should have asked for help - while at the same time, you feel crawly skin from reading his written word.
Consider the dichotomy there. If you can make those two things coherent - your supposed pity and your expressed revulsion - you might be on the road to somewhere.
Is that the way you feel -- that people would rather see you commit suicide? That the world would be indifferent to your death?
Fantastic post.
FUCK YES!!!
Perfectly written!
Not gonna lie, when I first found this sub I thought it was a joke. A satire of /r/seduction reveling in its use of crude generalizations to tell stories of conquest that honestly didn't seem that impressive because they were nothing more than anecdotes whose only value came from being shared here and responded to by like minded individuals.
Perhaps that's all TRP really is: a safety net for those who succumb to personal deficits of confidence and self worth to connect with others sharing the same struggle. In that respect I say good luck to all and may the interactions or passive observations you have here help get you over those hurdles, you deserve it as much as the next person.
What TRP is or is not will always be in the eye of the beholder and you can either live with that our you can't. I will say this though: the problem most people have with "red pillers" aren't your results or your goals. Who gives a fuck if you want to be better at getting laid?
It's your doctrine of "x applies to all women because all women are y" and the way you encourage others to devalue individuals in general just because they were born with a different anatomy. It's so hypocritical it's comical. Most days I leave this sub positive that the name "the red pill" is some meta joke because the real red pill is realizing how counter productive most of these attitudes and practices are to successfully getting laid.
But it is exactly the doctrine of "X applies to all women because all women are Y" which makes adopting a Red Pill strategy in life successful. There are universal rules which govern the dynamics of attraction and manipulating these by decorating your life so that you maximize the net-benefit of those rules will get you results. The same goes for women trying to attract men - a certain lifestyle and attitude will make women more attractive to most men. The Red Pill has completely changed my life in that I get more female attention than ever (more than I have time on my schedule for), from all kinds of different women. I don't know why I'm trying to convince you as it is in my best interest to have as few people know about the secrets shared on this subreddit as possible, but there's something about people going against something that's so proven and rewarding which makes me a little bit sad that the world is in the state it is in. Ideals seem to trump truth and it is a bad, bad development.
If this has improved your life in a meaningful way then that's good. I think my issue with the generalizations commonly seen here are that they are universally applicable but really only on individuals who aren't as self aware as they could be. A lot of the conquest stories on here are the equivalent of a recent computer programming graduate hacking an ATM from 1995 by manipulating code the machine doesn't even know it has. Effective? Yes, but all things considered not exactly an impressive feat.
You're right you don't need to convince me or anybody else of the personal value of the social engineering learned here. If it works for you it works for you and that's all that matters, I was just offering up my opinion on why the common opinions of "red pillers" are common. I agree with your last statement 100% though, even if we might possibly disagree on the context.
The thing is, if a generalization is true frequently enough, then its better to just assume its always true than spend energy trying to figure it out for each individual case.
Absolutely true, especially when it comes to behavioral patterns. Those same behavioral patterns are what lead people to form the opinions they do of those who practice red pill theory though. People tend to look at generalizations and think, "Yeah, I can see how that's true. But not for me," when it comes to something they would prefer not to believe about themselves.
No matter how true or accurate it is nobody wants to be told that they go in this box over here just because they do. This is a form of hamstering that transcends gender because it takes a very self-aware person to look at an accurate generalization that applies to them, admit it applies to them, and avoid the trap of, "Nope not me, I'm unique and special. Sucks for everyone else though."
Until that aspect is no longer a function of social interaction, plain statements about TRP theory and practices will continue to elicit similar reactions from the uninitiated that lead to the opinions expressed in the OP.
It's a bit unnerving that every topic can be contorted to be about gender wars, sex, or White knights.
There is surely an outspoken element of negativity that brands itself as trp, especially in other subs. But I think if you took the time to read what is actually accepted and agreed upon in this sub, you'd find that hate is very much against what trp is about.
And i believe that there are those here that may even feel that way, but do not represent us as a whole. I'm not one to take anything I read on face value, i try to find connections in what others say to experience in my own life, and some of what is said here makes sense. You can't take all of it, but you should never take all of anything you read anywhere. This is also another point that I have read stated and restated here.
I'm not anti women. I'm not anti feminism. I'm a true equalist, I don't think there's anything that the given man could do that the given woman could not, save impregnate another woman. That being said, we do operate and think differently. I don't see life as a challenge against women, but I do see life as a challenge. Trp to me is about being aware of your surroundings, and trying to negate the effects of other people on your mindset. Everyone wants themselves to be taken care of, and it's only natural that desires will clash. This is about not letting your desires fall under that crash, and eventually avoiding the crash all together.
I've got an 80lb bag of instant mix concrete that I need moved 100 meters in the next 10 minutes... Sorry, all the wheelbarrows are broken.
You're right, there are absolutely 0 women on the planet that could pick up 80lbs.
For real?
Have you carried an 80lb bag of concrete? I'm 6'1" 200 lbs and while it's not backbreaking to carry 100 meters... it's not a stroll in the park.
Wait... your suggestion makes more sense though! EVERYONE IS EXACTLY THE SAME!
No, I couldn't do it, not now at least. I could get to where I could, but I think there are women out there that could get to where they could too.
More men can do that without preparation than women. That's the point.
I find this subreddit both insightful and judgmental. I'll be the first to admit a lot of what gets said is sexist, whether it's meant to be or not. I can still learn from others experiences, however, and I take everything with a grain of salt. The amount of bashing women for riding the CC is absurd. To me, a person shouldn't care about the past if he's with someone he likes. You own the moment your in. If you want to sleep around but expect a pure woman, I don't feel that's even. But that's MY personal opinion.
Take the lessons that apply and shape them to YOUR values. That's how life works.
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I don't give a fuck if a woman rides the CC. You go girl. I know and have good sexual and personal relationships with many of them. I have literally zero negative judgement for these women. I'm just not going to wife them up.
Oh, but that's such a horrible thing to say! You're not being fair! You're a mysogonist and a bad person! Fuck you blue pill assholes. YOU'RE the judgmental ones for not respecting MY choices.
You don't have to understand them. You don't have to agree with them. You don't have to respect them. But Jesus Christ, stop with the romper room attempts at shaming me for them. You don't have the credibility to pull it off.
Shaming you? How do you figure I'm trying to shame you?
Didn't mean to direct that at you so much. Just in general.
My only point of contention would be that you're social "outcastness" has been the result of the changing environment of the last 30 years. There have ALWAYS been men who struck out with women.
TRP might really help some people, but the TRP message is really just a re-statement of the most basic dating advice ever. Be good looking, work out, have confidence, get a good job. This isn't new stuff here. There is absolutely a sexist slant to the TRP, but that's also old hat. There's no magic going on here.
From the creators of 'Feminism 2015!' bring you 'The redpill: A world where losers just cant win'
The key word your missing in this title is ...anymore. I think my assumption is we are all extremely study and just sick and jaded of the BS.
I am perfectly OK with being labeled whatever by people on the outside - because I keep to myself for the most part in life and I've consciously been aware of all that is wrong in our society, but never said anything to anyone.
It never felt right to accept a socially disheveled woman into my life. Every fiber in my being was screaming NO when a hot mess was presenting herself to be the perfect partner for me.
It doesn't feel right to watch men get emasculated because they are men - and label it as entertainment, for the purposes of obtaining 'retribution' for all the years women kept the home life in top shape, at the direction of 'the patriarchy'.
And, it certainly never felt right to accept poor health for myself and anyone else in my life. Being big is not beautiful - being big is, first and foremost, deadly. And it is ugly, especially when demands are made to accept it as beautiful. Being fat has morphed into being detrimental to the personality of the obese person, because they are told to demand other people respect and praise - at any cost.
Now is the time, through this sub and selective people in my personal life, to speak up and act when necessary, in the appropriate manner.
I will not be used and abused by someone / something that offers me nothing more than an illusion. And, I will not be used and abused by someone / something that has fallen significantly short in life and expects me to 'clean them up' and 'make them a better person'.
Sure, we are labeled as 'outcasts' because we refuse to bow down and accept this illusion.
Well, so be it.
We may not be 'free', as the top post here indicates, but we at least know we won't bend or accept the misery being sold by a very venomous and destructive institution (feminism) and being carried out by it's various subscribers and followers; betas and party girls.
The Red Pill is just an expression for seeing shit as it really is.
The fact is your go-too jab was "these men can't get laid". Why is that? Perhaps because a man's stature is defined by how many or the quality of women he can sleep with?
As if a man's life should revolve around women? What the fuck do women do for them or for anyone?
Women are so fucking stupid
Joined RedPill solely as a means of self-improvement. I don't give two fucks about women as people as I don't enjoy spending time with them unless it's for sex, however, I wanted to find new ways of bettering my social value and my own feelings of self-worth after years of being raised beta.
What better way to become an Alpha in your own regard than to read well-reasoned and well-researched anecdotes from other like-minded individuals?
Thanks RedPill, you're changing lives and changing the world one by one.
When you get those legions of haters you know you doing it right mayne!!!!
We making it big!!!