Men of Iron

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September 22, 2019
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Anyone have any experience with or comments about Men of Iron ?


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Title Men of Iron
Author Iseeitnow7
Upvotes 2
Comments 8
Date 22 September 2019 07:38 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askRPC
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/304625
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askRPC/comments/d7vd33/men_of_iron/
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[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

For any of the guys that want to respond to this, here is a snippet:

Share the why and take responsibility – When the moment is right, share with her why you planned this day. For me, I had to be honest.  I said, “I planned this day because I felt like we are going through the motions in our marriage. It’s not what it could be, and I take full responsibility for this. I want to use this day to get things back on track and to share my goals and plans with you.”

Unfortunately it appears to be purple-pilled.

[–]OsmiumZulu1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Acta Non Verba" seems highly applicable here.

[–]Red-Curious1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Purple or not, my thoughts here mirror my thoughts on this chain of comments. There's so little in the way of actual disciple-making that if people can get more right than they get wrong, that's a win. Sadly, most congregations can't pass that test, so when things like this pop up that do, I'd rather support them than undermine them because of a few side-issue disagreements.

In this situation, the fact that they're getting guys on board with disciple-making is huge for me. Historically, I've found that if guys spend enough time in the Scripture through discipleship, they're going to get to the right conclusions eventually. The problem is that most people who teach Scripture nowadays are doing it from the perspective of looking up verses to support their topic of interest at any given time. They're not studying Scripture, they're quote-clipping Scripture and calling the time finding those quotes "research." If these guys are teaching actual Bible study, among other disciplines Christian men need to be equipped with (and I don't know - maybe they're not; but if they are), then they'll eventually get where the Spirit wants them to go and I can support that.

I don't know enough about their model yet to endorse or disown them, but I'm certainly intrigued. Props to /u/Iseeitnow7 for asking about it in the first place :)

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You mean I have to take in content and use my own brain to decide if it's good or not? Pretty tall order.

I think I get what you mean though, when I was digging around on the site it had a few real and true men empowerment stuff. That said, everything I read relating to women was... suspect.

[–]Red-Curious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well, every website that claims to talk about biblical masculinity will claim to have some unique insight on what it means to be a "true man." Even RPC.

But talking about men's issues, and even supporting men in a modern feminist culture doesn't make something "red pilled." Noobs do this all the time - "My church is pretty red pilled." Why? "Because they believe in biblical marital roles, headship, etc." Okay, but that's not what the red pill is.

The red pill is inherently an understanding of intersexual relational dynamics as they actually function, rather than how people say they function. That's all. It is not a prescription on how a person ought to behave. You can do with that knowledge what you will.

However, just as with "faith," it's 99% probable that if someone doesn't adjust their behaviors because of what they believe about Christ, they probably don't have actual, real faith; and if someone doesn't adjust how they relate with women based on what they learn from the red pill, they probably haven't actually swallowed the pill, despite having some rote intellectual awareness of the ins and outs of it all. So, if a guy claims to have red pill awareness, but still holds onto his blue pill hopes and dreams, or otherwise doesn't seem to live up to any rational implications of red pill knowledge, he is at best purple - or in faith terms, "luke warm," claiming to have knowledge of God and to be a believer, but not actually living up to it in practice most of the time. It's playing games instead of playing the game.

So, before calling another organization "red pilled," I'd want to know: are they aware of things like fitness tests? Do they realize that things like AA or fogging or whatnot are effective conflict resolution tactics that increase respect and attraction, or are they using other methods that are less effective? Do they know the difference between a "nice guy" and a "good man"? These types of questions and more are what give greater insight into just how "aware" the organization's communicators are about how intersexual relational dynamics actually function today. Simple puff pieces for men mean squat in deciding if someone is red pilled. It doesn't mean it's unimportant; it's just distinct from being red pilled.

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, every website that claims to talk about biblical masculinity will claim to have some unique insight on what it means to be a "true man." Even RPC.

No comment

But talking about men's issues, and even supporting men in a modern feminist culture doesn't make something "red pilled." Noobs do this all the time - "My church is pretty red pilled." Why? "Because they believe in biblical marital roles, headship, etc." Okay, but that's not what the red pill is.

Yes, but I struggle to tell a major difference between Redpilled agenda and things that are posing as a roadblock to the female imperialists imperative. One is going in the backdoor (making a man more capable of handling the current feminist climate) the other the front door (making the environment easier for confused or idealistic men to succeed.)

The red pill is inherently an understanding of intersexual relational dynamics as they actually function, rather than how people say they function. That's all. It is not a prescription on how a person ought to behave. You can do with that knowledge what you will.

I am still not convinced that red pill doesnt extend further than just intersexual dynamics. While I'm still getting the ropes of RP, I can see how the transformation from a bp guy to a RP Man would do more for than just help him with his wife/potentials. I've seen it help me in my own faith, same-sex relationships, my leadership ability and in my community. I think you're underselling the faith-based approach to redpill and what it could do. At some point I'll probably make a post outlining my thoughts/ideas, and I'd appreciate your criticism on it greatly.

However, just as with "faith," it's 99% probable that if someone doesn't adjust their behaviors because of what they believe about Christ, they probably don't have actual, real faith; and if someone doesn't adjust how they relate with women based on what they learn from the red pill, they probably haven't actually swallowed the pill, despite having some rote intellectual awareness of the ins and outs of it all.

Agreed. No comment.

So, if a guy claims to have red pill awareness, but still holds onto his blue pill hopes and dreams, or otherwise doesn't seem to live up to any rational implications of red pill knowledge, he is at best purple - or in faith terms, "luke warm," claiming to have knowledge of God and to be a believer, but not actually living up to it in practice most of the time. It's playing games instead of playing the game.

Even the demons recognize Jesus is Lord, yet christ didn't come to die for them. Christ has a naughty little propensity for calling a spade a spade, don't he.

So, before calling another organization "red pilled," I'd want to know: are they aware of things like fitness tests? Do they realize that things like AA or fogging or whatnot are effective conflict resolution tactics that increase respect and attraction, or are they using other methods that are less effective? Do they know the difference between a "nice guy" and a "good man"? These types of questions and more are what give greater insight into just how "aware" the organization's communicators are about how intersexual relational dynamics actually function today. Simple puff pieces for men mean squat in deciding if someone is red pilled. It doesn't mean it's unimportant; it's just distinct from being red pilled.

In tandem with what I mentioned earlier, I believe RPC has a chance to outline more expectations for a Christfollowing man than what is currently credited to it. I believe you would be hard pressed to find quality content that is both Biblically sound, and not-RP'd. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

Im realizing my response may have been unnecessary. Let me know and I'll delete it.

[–]Iseeitnow7[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

quote-clipping Scripture and calling the time finding those quotes "research."

How does a noob tell the difference? Asking for me.

[–]Red-Curious1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha. The only good answer is to stop being a noob - learn Scripture inside and out so you can call BS when you see it. Initially this means researching every issue for yourself as you hear about them, even if you're not particularly interested in it. That's what I did - that and always having a discipler who knew scripture better than I did.

The good news is that you really only have to research each issue once. Most of the time the answer sticks with you. After enough, you've seen it all at least a dozen times until new concepts are the rarity and not the norm, and you can see through bogus claims reflexively.

An easier way, if you have context to do so, is to challenge people: "How do you know that's what this verse really means?"

Meditating on scripture also really helps. More on that in my scripture memory post on the sidebar.



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