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Running MAP on peri menopausal or menopausal women

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January 6, 2020
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I need some advice. Been running the MAP for a year. I know it takes time to see tangible results and I am going to keep pressing on. My wife is almost 48 and I believe she may be going through peri menopause. Thus, this is affecting her ability to respond to the MAP as she has low estrogen. I want to let her get through this phase of her life and see if she will respond once her hormones return to normal levels. I don’t think she has made the connection that she is PM though and I am certainly not going to bring it up to her. I don’t want to come across as trying to fix her. I just want to keep pressing on. But, I don’t think the MAP can play out as normal under the current environment. I would like advice from anyone who has run MAP and encountered this. Thanks in advance.


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Title Running MAP on peri menopausal or menopausal women
Author Brothervoliver2
Upvotes 8
Comments 44
Date 06 January 2020 03:50 PM UTC (9 months ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/306076
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/ekvv3i/running_map_on_peri_menopausal_or_menopausal_women/
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[–]2ndalRed Beret24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

A MAP is an action plan to turn you into a worthwhile man of substance. How your wife responds has no affect on turning yourself into a man of substance--it runs in parallel to whatever another person decides to do or not do, your wife included. Your wife may respond, or she may not. In the end you turn into a worthwhile man of substance regardless.

[–]justpickanyusernameRed Beret22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

Running MAP on peri menopausal or menopausal women

Your title tells me all I need to know. You have made your wife your mission. That's not how it works fucktard. Go back to the beginning and start over.

[–]EmbracedBiology0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you, I recently had the same discovery while reading MRP.

My wife is pregnant, and I was like, "Does the MAP even work with her hormones off due to pregnancy?"

Then it clicked. I still operate in her frame. Changing myself to get her to spread the eagle. Fucking stupid. But it bears repeating until it's finally hammered into the brain.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

Women may choose to have sex with a desirable man for some personal combination of one or more reasons, including

  • hormone driven libido

  • validation

  • mate retention

  • mate competition

  • emotional intimacy with a partner

  • to make a baby

Even with some attractions in play, most women will not voluntarily have sex with someone who displays unattractive characteristics; even a horny woman will choose to go home alone rather than fuck an undesirable man.

Menopause doesn't change these redpill truths about a woman's sexual attraction and desire, but it often reduces or removes many of her motivations for desiring or choosing sex. The hormonal shifts of menopause may affect each woman differently, but usually reduces or kills her hormone-based libido; pregnancy is also completely out; greater emotional maturity with age or hormonal shifts may reduce her desire for external validation through sex or to compete for mates.

Redpill methods for increasing desire remain the same, but typically have reduced effect with a menopaused woman, while unattractive behaviors that turn off her sexual interest remain in full force. So the effectiveness of various improvements or techniques may shift, a higher level of performance might be required, and the desire they produce might be reduced, but I can assure you from personal experience that the red pill still holds true for post-menopausal women.

So if you're foolishly pursuing a "Dancing Monkey" Attraction Improvement MAP, or if menopausal plates are your target demographic, emphasize 'not being unattractive', and the attraction triggers still relevant to menopausal women. Unfortunately for you, a Dancing Monkey plan rules out most of those (mate competition and retention; polarization and boldness in playing with her emotions) so good luck with that.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

Redpill methods for increasing desire remain the same, but typically have reduced effect with a menopaused woman, while unattractive behaviors that turn off her sexual interest remain in full force. So the effectiveness of various improvements or techniques may shift, a higher level of performance might be required, and the desire they produce might be reduced, but I can assure you from personal experience that the red pill still holds true for post-menopausal women.

Amen! Maybe even understated.

Think of it like starting a fire. It's easier if you can use kerosene (hormones) when you light it. But the process is the same, the results are the same, it just takes more time and effort. Then the question is, does she add enough value to be worth the effort?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

does she add enough value to be worth the effort?

That question is what I'm dealing with. A younger replacement model might very well deliver more benefit per effort on a strictly sexual basis, however my original model of 25+ years delivers a great deal of value in plenty of other areas that improve my quality of life. I'm not inclined to do a trade-in unless things degrade significantly.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

OK here's some info you might use...

My MAP's progress by year:

  • Year 1- nothing got better, some things worse.

  • Year 2 - some slow gains. Back and forth. Erratic progress. Tough gal, I almost gave up. (Later I realized that I would not have ever married a woman that wasn't tough. So that's just the way it is.)

  • Year 3 - Suddenly she turns. In fact I had a hard time believing that she turned it around. In my disbelief, I made it harder for her "to get out of the maze"

  • Year 4 - I DECIDE THAT I NEED TO HONOR MY VOWS - because that's what I'm gonna do. It's important. Her health is failing. I'm in it for the full boat. I delete all my accounts as the stress of some of the old content would be seriously hard on her health(if she were to read it) - my choice to honor what is important to me.

  • Year 5 - (just started) continues to improve....

Each step along the way, I decided what was important to ME and followed it. There is no other way.

[–]EmbracedBiology0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

That reads like your MAP is just too focused on her, isn't it?

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you think so. But one thing I am certain of, I really don't give a fuck what you would chose. Oh wait give me a minute and I will defend myself..... nada fucks given

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is very helpful information to me. Rule 9 says to focus on your own actions and mission, and not on your wife, but personally, my marriage is why I washed up at MRP in the first place. Seeing real world, long-term outcomes, good and bad, provides a lot of value. Edit: I'm mostly at your year 1. Upsetting the status quo is not welcome.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy

I don't have an answer to this, but as a pro-tip you should probably start preparing some other excuses to ask MRP about once you are done riding this wave of validation.

Some ideas:

  • Can't get fit due to low T
  • Wife is bipolar
  • Dry vagina
  • ED due to excessive alpha
  • Big boned/endomorph
  • Childhood trauma/ptsd
  • BPA in plastic bottles

This is just a start to get you rolling, I'm sure you can think of more. Good luck!

[–]BlueMyLoad696 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

His vagina is dry hahaha...

[–]hack3geRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wtf who you calling big boned?

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

ED due to excessive alpha

Gold

[–]EmbracedBiology0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ED due to excessive alpha

The fuck? I've never heard that before! How's that supposed to work ? haha

[–]WolfofAllStreetz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I lifted with low T for 10 years, what a waste of time that was.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I bet he has ADHD.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn right I do, now give me my Addy

[–]hack3geRed Beret2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Congratulations you are officially now in the running for faggot of the 2020.

The sooner you recognize the woman you call your wife is completely irrelevant the sooner you will find what you seek.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

this is a really good idea. maybe have a community vote at the end of the year against the nominations?

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There's no need to - you are the official winner of Faggot of the Year.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

its really cute how butt hurt you are that i took the crown off you, congratulations on earning it back.

[–]Brothervoliver2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the advice. Especially, from a gay man. Much respect.

[–]redditguy612 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Find two 24 year olds. Fuck them.

[–]ImNotSlash4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

As Steel says, you're doing it wrong.

BTW, you're wrong. Figure it out.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you are running your MAP to see how your wife responds and she's not responding due to the menopause, you need to hit the PM button hard.

If that doesn't work, hit it harder.

If that doesn't work, hit it with a hammer.

If that fails, press the Green Button. It's beside the Yellow Button.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh no! Not the Green button. Hard-ass...

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

All the HVM in this age bracket have wives on female TRT.

She will make zero excuse for anything if you are High Value.

[–]ImNotSlash3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

TRT nor ERT required in my experience.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well, you clearly are not around high value men, or women.

Dont sit there and try and tell me hormones do not rule all.

[–]ImNotSlash1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm saying therapy isn't necessary in my experience. YMMV

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, pretty sure it has been established you are a Fuckboy so, yeah, YMMV.

[–]HeckleandChide1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Your contract isn't even covert. It's like a gigantic blinking neon sign over your head anytime your wife looks at you.

How attractive.

[–]Brothervoliver2[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah. You really know my situation. Thanks for playing.

[–]HeckleandChide0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Butthurt faggot. Get thicker skin.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I concur with what the other comments say about your wife not being your mission. Also, at 51, my wife's biological libido is not what it used to be. As I have followed the MRP path quietly and not ramboing, she has gotten to where she likes to shag on most days. There's no guarantees, wives vary all over the place in how they respond to a man's MAP. That's why we say to focus on improving your SMV and defining a mission that speaks to what you want. Your wife may or may not follow. There are some older members on here such as u/man_in_the_world that I follow for how MRP works on older women.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was with a woman recently who was menopausal.

She also tasted extremely nice. Her skin had an unusual taste and was actually spicy.

I called her my peri peri menopausal plate.

[–]Maximus_Valerius1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

My wife is 50 and menopausal/peri menopausal. I’ve been running my MAP just fine.

Why are you concerned about your wife’s response?

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

My wife if 48 (I’m 51), and she has sex with me whenever I want. Literally

I think I married a unicorn Or something

Oh never mind , I forgot ... I lift, read the sidebar, and have good frame.

[–]Maximus_Valerius1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

she has sex with me whenever I want.

I love it when a MAP comes together.

Literally

Yep.

have good frame.

Better yet, “I have rock solid frame.” I wrote it so it must be true?

[–]Brothervoliver2[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I appreciate all the feedback, even the harsh ones. I just didn’t want to write her off too soon (Bluepill covers this in his book) for this or other reasons if things are about to really get good. I am at the gym 4 days a week and do cardio 7 days a week. I am down 40 lbs, fit, getting preselection hits, flirting with her and others while in front of her, making myself scarce at home, etc. all the things red pill. No covert contracts, expressing sexual needs and not getting turned down. Sex is on average 2x per week (non period week). Getting handies and BJs sporadically during Shark Week. Things are on the right path and I am not stopping. I just wondered if anyone had had any experiences with PM stalling their MAP process. That’s all. I will keep pressing forward to Phase 5 indefinitely and see if I can reach it with her. If not, I know I will be in a much better place for whatever happens.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're hearing the advice but you are not listening. Your MAP is for you and for you alone. It is about YOUR life, YOUR development, YOUR ambitions, dreams, desires, goals and mission.

You don't run a MAP on someone else. You do it on and for you.

The progress of your MAP should only be affected by you - by how much time, work and effort you put into it. If she is PM, this should have no effect on it. If she goes insane, this should have no effect on it. If she decides to fuck the next door neigbour, this should have no effect on it. Your MAP should never stall because of what someone else does, says or by how they react. Otherwise, your MAP is doomed to fail before it starts.

One of the first tenants of MRP is to eliminate covert contracts - choreplay for sex, gifts for sex, date nights for sex - etc. However, while you say you are eliminating them, what you are doing now is replacing all these small covert contracts with one big one - MRP for sex. In other words, if you run your MAP, if you improve, if you lose weight, if you do the work, she will fuck you as often and as enthusiastically as you want. You have made your wife your mission and you have turned MRP into one gigantic covert contract.

You came here looking for sex. You came here looking to improve your marriage. That's fine. That's what we all did. But you need to wake up and realise that MRP is not about saving your marriage - it's about saving you.

Forget about your wife. Forget about trying to second guess what she feels, thinks or desires. It doesn't matter. Her feelings are like the wind and what she feels now, will be different tomorrow. Concentrate on yourself, on becoming a HVM and then you will be in a place where you can truly make a decision that is congruent with who you are as a man. You're not there yet - in fact you're not even close.

[–]Goobergus_Gubbins1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

what you are doing now is replacing all these small covert contracts with one big one - MRP for sex. In other words, if you run your MAP, if you improve, if you lose weight, if you do the work, she will fuck you as often and as enthusiastically as you want. You have made your wife your mission and you have turned MRP into one gigantic covert contract.

Not OP here but might as well be. Quoted comment summarizes much of the feedback I've been receiving for months. Consciously, I'm trying to focus on defining my mission and allocating my scarce resources to move in that direction. But damn if I don't get butthurt and pissy as soon as I don't get laid, after all the choreplay that I already decided beforehand was just to get a big arms, a clean house and a nice meal, and not to get me laid. Then the not getting laid part cuts through all my MRP outcome independence like a fucking knife to the heart. I'm just being honest.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Recognising these flawed mental modes is the first step.

Eliminating them and replacing them with new ones is the next.



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