Never sacrifice a thing. Make her sacrifice for you.

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Disney, popular culture, and modern feminism foster a viewpoint that having a woman in your life is a great reward. The modern story goes that a regular guy is supposed to pursue a fairly average girl, she probably rejects him a few times at first, but he keeps himself present in her life, is a great guy, does things for her, and demonstrates how much he can benefit her and how in love he is and willing to sacrifice for her, and she eventually agrees to be his girlfriend. The fact that she agreed to be a part of his life is his reward. He had to jump through hoops to earn it, and he needs to go out of his way and do everything he can to keep her happy so she stays with him, because having her in his life is his reward. A man should be grateful to have a girlfriend at all, because if you don’t have a girlfriend, you’re a loser.

A girlfriend’s not really required to do anything. You’re not supposed to make her buy you things, clean your apartment, cook your meals, or insist that she have sex with you. You’re not entitled to any of that just because she’s your girlfriend. She does those things if and when she wants to. Your reward is that she’s willing to be your girlfriend. Not any of those things you’d think a girlfriend might do for you. Just having her in your life is the reward. A woman spending time in your presence is the greatest thing ever. Forget that spending time in your presence usually involves giving you one-word responses to anything you ask while not looking up from her cell phone, because she’s too busy doing something on Facebook. That’s more than those losers who don’t have girlfriends at all are getting.

Meanwhile, to keep your girlfriend, you have to keep her happy, entertained, and feeling special. That’s a girlfriend’s biggest complaint by the way: he never makes me feel special. You have to plan and execute an entertaining date at least once a week, buy her gifts, be smart and funny and at the top of your game, complement her often, and if you successfully make it through enough of her hoops, she might let you hold her hand for a little bit, or even give you a goodnight kiss. Keep up this great behavior long enough and maybe, just maybe, you guys can take it to the next level and she’ll reward you with sex! But even if you never get there, it’s a great reward just to have a girlfriend at all. Guys who don’t have girlfriends are losers.

And that’s how the others would prefer the game is played. Jump through hoops, do what you’re supposed to do, be entertaining for girls, sacrifice left and right giving them whatever they want in a desperate attempt to make them happy, as the bare minimum just to get a woman to spend time with you. Forget sex. Just having a woman in your life is considered a great prize for which you must sacrifice heavily. A man should be lucky he had a woman agree to this! A woman who will put up with him? That’s a rare find! He’d better work hard to keep her happy.

We know how this story ends. A man who spends his life searching for a woman he can sacrifice for ends up getting his wish. He sacrifices everything and becomes an empty shell, all for the joy of having a woman grudgingly spend time with him, hoping that maybe, just maybe, if he sacrifices a little bit more and works a little bit harder, she might even let him touch her. Oh, sure, that guy is still screening women somewhat. He won’t date just anybody. But his perspective is that of the supplicant. He’s searching the world for a woman he wants to work for. A woman worthy of his hard work and sacrifice, so that he may give it to her, impress her with it, and maybe one day get to hold her hand.

That’s the true measure of love. How much you’re willing to sacrifice for someone. And men across the world leap at the chance to demonstrate their love for their women by sacrificing.

But wait…If the true measure of love is how much someone is willing to sacrifice for someone else, what’s up with all of these women who aren’t doing a damn thing, except spending time with their men? Surely, a woman’s love is measured differently then, right? We don’t ask a woman to sacrifice. It’s her willingness to accept a man’s sacrifice that demonstrates her love, right?

Wrong. Women show their love the same damn way. When a woman loves a man, she sacrifices for him. She does things for him. She buys him things. She begs to fuck him.

If your woman is not sacrificing for you, eagerly, in an attempt to please you, impress you, and keep you happy, guess who doesn’t love you?

The Red Pill is a shift in our perspective. Cast off the old system. The goal is not to find a woman worth sacrificing for. That’s the old you. The loser you. The goal is to find a woman who will sacrifice for you. And to do this, you become the kind of man women will want to sacrifice for. You’re not searching for the right woman. You’re searching for the right you.

If you build the right you, women will be bending over backward trying to please you, just for the pleasure of your time, and maybe, just maybe, you can reward the best few whose sacrifices please you the most with a good, hard fucking.

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Title Never sacrifice a thing. Make her sacrifice for you.
Author Archwinger
Upvotes 694
Comments 130
Date 06 April 2015 02:59 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]InferiousX73 points74 points  (18 children) | Copy

A more intermediate problem arises with this as well in the man who gets halfway there and then fucks it up.

The woman is attracted to a man with drive, vision, and a mission. She becomes a loving nurturing influence in his life. The man may continue on his quest for a little while as this woman continues to be an asset to his goals.

But somewhere along the line, he switches perspective and goes backwards. He thinks, "Here is this woman who is at my side doing all of these great things. I need to focus a bit more on her and reciprocate by shifting my focus."

Logically it makes sense. But this isn't logic we're dealing with. What a lot of guys who are halfway into the pool don't see is that the second you let the woman become the mission and primary drive in your life, she begins to lose interest. Lots of women won't admit this (or just don't realize it) but it's true. Soon she'll get bored or suddenly not "feel it" as much with her man when he puts her above everything else in his life. You see so many guys who end up getting dumped or cheated on going "I don't get it. I did everything for her and this is what she does to me."

Well this is why. You let the happiness of the First Mate take priority over the welfare of the entire ship. And now your life is a mutiny or a sinking ship.

Always keep your life as a whole above any woman you're with. Always.

[–]oddtimesigs33 points34 points  (9 children) | Copy

Duuuude, holy shit that was literally me and my ex girlfriend. I didn't even realize it before finding TRP, but I pretty much lived all of my life like a RP guy before I found my ex. I knew how much she was in love with me but I kept my focus on my work, my studies, and my friends. She was the icing on top but not my whole world. At some point, her being my first serious relationship, I also thought the "Here is this woman who is at my side doing all of these great things. I need to focus a bit more on her and reciprocate by shifting my focus." Cue the break up 16 months later. Lesson learnt.

[–]rpkarma3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did it three times before it clicked, so I know that feeling bro

[–]Joshua_Naterman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Upvoted. I've been there in the past. It happens, we learn, and then we don't fuck up again :)

[–]Postboned0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you sure that your goals or desires just didn't change or that something didn't fuck up along the way..? 16 months is a fucking long ass time.

[–]oddtimesigs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I pretty much lost interest in my passions and my life became about pleasing her and always keeping our relationship afloat, it was draining the life out of me and I didn't even realize why until I started reading TRP. I didn't realize not having myself anymore drained that experience and I guess it went as long as it did because we both didn't want to admit shit wasn't working out. It was both of ours first LTR.

[–]SoldierGenerale-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

It seems more like you letting yourself go and losing your drive is what caused the break-up. Not being the attractive guy she first met is what caused her to lose attraction. I highly doubt that you just reciprocating abit of affection is what ended the relationship.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You'd be surprised. I've always been an ambitious guy but I experienced the same damn thing. Women don't want to be your number one focus. They want to be on a well-run ship that's going places. They want you to focus on keeping that ship well-run.

[–]SoldierGenerale1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fair enough, women want to be taken along for the ride. They don't want to be the ride.

I'm just saying reciprocating affection doesn't kill attraction.

[–]oddtimesigs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, but making reciprocating affection the one thing you do constantly literally chokes the life out of an LTR. I forgot about my ambitions and doing that kind of became my new toxic ambition, and it blew up in my face. Lesson learnt!

[–]trowawayyada1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dirty River Boys a song called "She"

[–]fort_wendy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks for this. I was a victim of this. Seeing the replies, I guess it happens often. We've got to get our act together. Unfortunately, I am MGTOW for now.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Careful how you conceptualise this. Perceiving yourself as the 'victim' is not useful because you are saying that you were merely a passive recipient of her behaviour, that you had no control over the situation. This is both false and unhelpful.

Instead of saying you were a 'victim' consider that you failed to keep your priorities in order. By doing this you retain control over your life and you give yourself a clear avenue for improvement rather than worthless victim status.

[–]fort_wendy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps I used the wrong word. It's not good to play victim. I just felt more as a victim of circumstance rather than a victim per se. If I only knew how the whole thing worked, maybe we would have been together, still. I'm the one who broke it off because I couldn't bear to see us grow apart. Better to end it before it explodes. At least I know a lot more about myself now and have no ragrets

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You explained what a nice guy is the problems associated with it.

[–]redarkane0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn this was me in my last relationship...

Gotta keep that abundance mentality always or else they dip

[–]flexiblehold359 points360 points  (5 children) | Copy

"You’re not searching for the right woman. You’re searching for the right you."


[–]ChaoticParadox89 points90 points  (3 children) | Copy

The switch comes from deciding to view yourself as the prize, not her. Begin now. Not when you have attained that perfect body. Not when you have amassed that great fortune to live comfortably. Not when any arbitrary parameter for victory in your mind has been achieved. It is now that you need to live for yourself and yourself first. This is not selfish, it is exactly the kind of man a woman wants. She wants a winner, not a beta. Beta = approval seeker. Winner = High quality man who values himself just the way he is.

Don't be lazy though. Living for yourself means doing what benefits you, and if you're not improving yourself on a consistent basis then you are no winner, you're stagnant or worse. So enjoy every little improvement you make for yourself, and you wont need to look for pussy, because it is looking for you.

If pussy isn't seeking you out, that's a sign that your smv is too low. No amount of approval seeking will change that though, so show yourself some love and do what you can to improve your situation. When you are kicking life's ass, pussy will come. Part of kicking life's ass is doing shit that will make you proud of yourself. A woman can take away her validation of you on a dime, but she can never destroy your confidence in yourself when her approval means nothing to you. Instead, you want to be in the position where what they do makes you proud of them. You are the one who gives and takes approval at all times, never them. Any other frame of mind is going to leave you empty inside.

Succeed and exceed in all your pursuits, but leave women out of the equation unless they happen to benefit as an incidental result of your greatness. Improve, build, and feel awesome knowing that you created that value. As time goes by you will begin to see yourself as a magnetic force that attracts positive outcomes and every little obstacle along the way will just look like part of a larger game you rule at anyway.

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[–]Joshua_Naterman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fake it until you make it :)

Don't worry about doing a shit job at improving right now, just keep focusing on improvement.

Eventually you'll get good at improving, and then you'll improve a ton, and then you'll be exactly where you want to be.

Just gotta forget (for the most part, aside from obvious planning purposes) about tomorrow and do what you need to today, every today, for the rest of your life. Tomorrow takes care of itself when you do what you need to do today on a consistent basis.

[–]1aguy01110 points111 points  (8 children) | Copy

Want to know the secret to making your girl feel special? Let her see all the other girls that wish they had her spot.

[–]Mechbiscuit 39 points39 points [recovered] | Copy

^ The most powerful tool a man has in his arsenal to generate attraction is making her jelly. Women want what other women have.

[–]thevic11522 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

A lot of my phone is female friends flirting with me. My girlfriend thinks she's slick and asks to "see my phone to change the music" I let her. I let her see ALL that shit. I give her access to my conversations because I'm always talking to at least 3-4 different chicks. She wouldn't let me sleep until we had sex. She randomly gives me head. It's fucking great. You have to see that she can be replaced. That she's here to impress you. She has to earn your love.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'd appreciate further insight.

You label her "girlfriend" because you actually care about her or is she just your upgraded steady plate? How frequent are her shittests about this? How do you typically diffuse? How sexual is your flirting with these other girls? I would think a "girlfriend" would expect some level of faithfulness.

I typically lock my phone when I'm with a plate but plates are plates and idgaf if she sees or cares. Stopped it cold with my most recent plate with something like "yeah your mother's in here somewhere too." Was never mentioned again.

[–]thevic11511 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh she's a girl I've known for about 2 years now. We started off having sex and she was really into me. I had just gotten out of a serious relationship when we started hooking up. I told her I wasn't looking for a relationship. She stayed with me anyway and doesn't talk to other guys even though I told her I was okay with it. She cooks for me, never shit tests me (I have no idea what the hell her deal is. Maybe she's an actual woman and not a fucking psychopath like most) I'm going into the United States Air Force and since then she's been really supportive. She cares about my needs and is a great first mate to my captain of the ship. She always offers to help with whatever I need. we go through everything as a team and that's why she's my girlfriend. She rarely complains about her stupid friends, instead she looks at it in a logical manner. She was never really a sexual person either but I brought it out of her. She's a shy one. These types of girls exist, guys. They're not a lost cause

[–]rpkarma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't have to be sexual. Just the fact that I regularly tease and make fun of my (attractive) female friends, some of which would do nearly anything for me (modulo them having a boyfriend themselves, you're always second best then) is enough. Barely need to do anything, although if you're inclined to orbiting you're better off steering clear of female friends for a while until you're used to how it needs to go, and they become comfortable with the new you. Some won't be, just like plates, let them drop.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never let a woman undermine your attempts to do this either. Most women will sure as hell give you shit the second she starts feeling dread, but that just means you're on the right path. She may bitch and complain that she's feeling insecure, but that just means she's feeling the incentive to work for you.

The second she feels comfortable, that she has you locked in, that's when the attraction dies.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus132 points133 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well worth remembering in any relationship. To reduce it to a memorable mantra, Patrice O'Neal said it best on the Black Phillip Show: "women don't want to win, they want a winner."

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet65 points66 points  (4 children) | Copy

A woman will work hard for a man she finds attractive. Hypergamy pushes her to, because she knows that if she doesn't fulfill his wants, some other woman will. It's easy to be a fuckhole, so she has to be more than that to keep him.

[–]druganswer 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy

Also, when a girl says "you don't make me feel special" it means she doesn't respect you / isn't attracted to you (this is if you have given her commitment - if you haven't then this probably is her way of digging for that commitment)....

if she thought you were some prize then your attention / affection would make her feel special... but no, you are below her so that is just what she deserves, nothing "special" so she tries to say well "if you went out of your way for me more, if you took me to fancy dinners, if you bought me thoughtful gifts" she would feel special... but really at the beginning when she liked you just showing up to her door because you wanted to hang out with her would be plenty...

she can't dump you because she doesn't like you though... "he doesn't make me feel special anymore" comes off as her being the victim... so totally fine then.

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What you said makes so much sense.

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[–]magus6783 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

What the hell is it with people using weird capitalization? Is that one guys alt or something?

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope24 points25 points  (10 children) | Copy

Many of us have trouble asking women to do stuff. Break that habit and establish precedence early. If you're hosting a BBQ, you have no problem asking Tom to bring some beer. Or chips. Or ice. He will gladly grab any of those.

What if you told him you needed shampoo? Tom would probably look at you like you're crazy. WTF does that have to do with a BBQ? There's no logical connection.

With women, no such logical connection is needed. You invite her to do something with you, have her bring something. Anything. Doesn't matter if it is related to the activity or not. Get her to make some contribution in exchange for your company. Too many women have been told (by betas, club promoters, bar owners, etc.) their presence is the only thing they need provide. Show up and be pretty!

Men expect a like for like reciprocation. Tom will bring BBQ items to a BBQ. Women are more prone to time for time exchanges. Her time at the store for your time at night. Have her fetch or prepare something for you and she will value the time with you more. If it is logically connected, great. "Hey babe, can you make some guacamole?" But even if it is random bottle of laundry soap, get her to contribute something.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

You invite her to do something...

That nails it... A sacrificial act of devotion creates more loving feelings in the giver (oxytocin hit).

Keep your sacrifices in check to avoid getting hooked (one-itis). Praise her when she does something to encourage her to give more.

[–]RedHeimdall10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm going to start making bitches bring me a bottle of shampoo every time they want to see me. Would be hilarious to eventually have an overflowing closet filled with more shampoo than I could use in three lifetimes.

[–]Ovadox5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Please post a picture in several years.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too many women have been told (by betas, club promoters, bar owners, etc.) their presence is the only thing they need provide. Show up and be pretty!

And from this time forward, "Ladies Night", in bars and clubs across America, was born.

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[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

i told her not to bother because she wouldnt get the right one. should i have managed this interaction better?

You needed to give her much better, clearer direction. Remember, women are like children, the most responsible teenager in the house. You have to be direct and detailed in your direction with them. My last LTR, I told her to pick up wine for dinner one night, because it was going to complement well with the filet I was searing off. I assumed that she'd know that red wines complement red meat, not white wine. She came home with white wine. It was my fault for not being more direct with my instructions to her.

[–]Senior ContributorRedPope11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

A good woman wants to know your preferences, especially when it is something you care strongly about. If she is invested in you, she will pay very close attention to those details, and will be incredibly proud when she successfully demonstrates how well she knows you.

Instead you communicated a lack of trust: "I'll get it myself, you'd just fuck it up..." You may not have said those words, but that was the subtext. Not only did you deny her a chance to prove herself, but by reducing her agency, you removed her accountability.

[–]Ovadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a solid comment. I've been making a point to do this more with my LTR and at work. I bring a lot to the table, but in the past I hesitated to ask for anything back from people and in the long run I think it actually caused me to lose respect in their eyes. Asking people to do things for you is a subtle form of leadership, you are guiding them through their interaction with you, providing structure. They don't have to think about it as much because they know what you want.

[–]BowlOfCandy29 points30 points  (24 children) | Copy

You’re not searching for the right woman. You’re searching for the right you.

An excellent way to describe how TRP isn't PUA but a philosophy.

[–]RPthrowaway12315 points16 points  (14 children) | Copy

This is precisely why I prefer the red pill to bullshit routines. I'm not in this for her, I'm in it for me.

[–]sigmayogi 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy

To be fair majority of PUA schools have long switched to RP mindset.

[–]GRRMkills 18 points18 points [recovered] | Copy

Men in general are switching to a RP mindset. It's happening very slowly, but there is definitely headway being made in the fight against the pussification of men.

  • The resurgence in popularity of weightlifting
  • Pickup techniques focusing less on superficial technique and more on being the type of man who attracts women (alpha)
  • Rejection of obesity acceptance and HAES
  • Swing of public sentiment against porn and compulsive masturbation
  • Men taking women off the pedestal and instead pursuing their own passions

We'll claim victory in the long run, as men always do when they gather together for the accomplishment of a common goal.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

If headway is indeed being made, the pace is so slow that it is barely noticeable. I think the problem is that as with almost every other difficult and worthwhile thing in life, the hardest part is getting started.

Every man wants to get better with women and I think it's true that more and more men are realising on some level that the game is rigged against them as long as they continue playing by the rules they have been taught. The problem is THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK FOR A BETTER WAY.

That's why I am conflicted on the issue of spreading TRP. On the one hand, there are undoubtedly many men out there with the will and potential to become great men if we only give them the manual - ourselves and the rapid growth of this sub are proof of that. But on the other hand, if and when we reach the point that TRP is known to mainstream society, I think the level of shaming and ostracism from feminists and the politically correct will be so great that only the most single minded of individuals will make it here - if here even exists by that point.

[–]GRRMkills 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

TRP is already pretty widely known. Elliot got us some pretty bad publicity from mainstream media, and we're still around. In fact I'd say that recently, it's becoming less common for people to hate on TRP on reddit and elsewhere, but maybe they're speaking of it less in hopes that fewer people will learn of our existence and join us.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I doubt anyone who doesn't use reddit, or associate with others who do, has a clue what TRP is. When I say mainstream, I mean it. I mean a time when it is common for parents to get together and talk about how they don't want their kids to be 'poisoned' or 'damaged' by our community; where school administrators are devising sanctions for anyone caught accessing or propagating TRP; when feminists start a direct smear campaign, probably suggesting that all TRP subscribers be added to some kind of future rapist watchlist.

The last one was tongue in cheek but you get my point. I was talking about a time when TRP cannot be ignored and is known to most people in most major demographics. At that point I think the social pressure wielded against those who would consider coming here will be like nothing we've ever seen before. We'll probably be treated like an online paedophile ring that has the gall to operate openly.

[–]Ovadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Then they will have picked a fight with a group of people who fight to win. We also have the truth on our side. They can ignore the truth, they can demonize the people who speak it but they can't ever change it.

[–]tallwheel1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Swing of public sentiment against porn and compulsive masturbation

Do you have any evidence for this?

[–]GRRMkills 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

Well there's Your Brain on Porn, a popular documentary. Popular books are now recommending cutting your masturbation, such as Models which suggests 1/week scheduled. Here's a post by WebMD that notes sex is healthier than masturbation and talks about some health risks of it. Then of course there's nofap. I'm sure there's some other evidence. Anecdotally, I've talked to a lot of people who've mentioned quitting porn and masturbation, but perhaps that's a result of cutting BP people out of my friend groups.

[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not evidence, it is in fact shamefully wrong.

Of course having sex instead of masturbation is great but with the bullshit drama women cause, there's a price to pay. You choose your own level of re-balancing to deal with that.

The body itself really has no idea, for ejaculation, the difference between sex and masturbation.

Porn is a whole other story, having 2 major points:

1) porn is a great way to switch sex drive to new, hot girls you've never seen, to forget women you did know and wish you never touched

2) modern porn is average/hot girls from random/anywhere in life you could meet any time, not studio porn stars, made free on computers. It's practically free advertising for which cam-sluts you could fuck in an hour if you go looking. Could be you fuck a girl who you never saw a video for but who makes them, could be you fuck a girl who wishes she did those things but hasn't, but you'll probably find a girl equally hot to those cam-masturbating girls and fuck them all if you want.

[–]1oldredder1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Swing of public sentiment against porn and compulsive masturbation

No. There is no such swing and it isn't red pill to believe such things. "compulsive" - define: what's a compulsive number of times per day to have an orgasm, sex or masturbation? I used to fuck 3 times a day and peak hit 7. Is that compulsive? Am I pushing women too hard? I'm being rhetorical: at 7 times we both had friction burns so we both knew the answer to that one.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy

Yes...totally true

Pua....goal is to seduce women

TRP....goal is to be best man possible. Women love and need this man

[–]circlhat2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

PUA came up with the term dread game, preselection and basically the entire TRP dictionary

These early PUA's where on to something big, as anyone who views TRP as a scene that cooler than PUA there is no hope because it shows you truly don't get it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

PUA in my opinion is the learned exhibition of Alpha behaviors.

TRP transforms one to BE a Alpha

Studying PUA and Game is a worthy use of time. I just see it as part of the "solution" rather then an end state by itself

Perhaps that clears up my thinking? Or do you feel I still dont get it?

I'm keen to learn.. show me where Im off

[–]cariboo_j2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Have you read The Game by Neil Strauss? It starts with Mystery crying and downing valiums because some girl rejected him. It ends with the author riding off into the sunset with his soulmate and leaving the PUA scene behind.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I have not read it. I have watched some youtubes where he shares some "tricks"

I like him alot

[–]cariboo_j0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's a good read. They basically try everything they can think of to pick up chicks and learn what works through trial and error. Unfortunately they are just going through the motions; there is not much self reflection and they are ultimately pursuing getting laid as a means of self validation

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I enjoy watching youtubes of Vadim to study game

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There is talk on red pill on how we are all recovering alpha's we just haven't been shown the way. I tend to follow this belief , there is no inner self, as soon as you do something alpha , you are alpha. We can redefine ourselves on a minute by minute basis(Free will is amazing)

PUA focuses purely on getting into a girls pants, while its moving toward natural game and other feel good concept, nothing will help you better than understanding a girls psychology, which the red pill is all about

reading is a great read about perspective mainly, not quite trp and not quite pua, but it will mind fuck you every article.

I'm keen to learn.. show me where Im off

If you don't feel PUA can help you, than it can't help you, for me however it was a game changer , it helps with conversational skills greatly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We are in agreement that PUA is very helpful. but for me.. its just a part of the package

[–]HAMMURABl37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy

what women actually want is to sacrifice themselves. it makes them far happier than seeing a man sacrificing himself for her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

But they don't mind cashing in on beta orbiters front loading their end of the invisible contract for their attention

[–]HerculestheRed11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. People have no idea what "female submission" actually is. The image of a teary-eyed wife dropping prozac like tictacs while an abusive husband beats her stupid to tire himself out so he sleeps well at night is ridiculous.

Female submission is actually just docility and putting others before yourself. That's what submission is. That's why people have this cultural idea of motherly instincts as hyperfeminine. It's not because being a SAHM is slavery. It's because being a good stay at home mother means putting your children, and your husband, and your household above your "need" to sit around playing Candy Crush all day.

This is what makes women happy. Women are like adult teenagers. Their world view, when put up on a pedestal "breaks" them. Narcissism is an illness. It's someone who gets a warped perspective about their true value. They have no idea who they truly are because they've always been told they're better than they are.

Pedestalization hurts women as a whole just as much as it does an individual man's chances at getting laid.

Women don't want to be the #1. They don't want to be a winner. They just want to fuck him, and raise his victorious spawn.

Women want men to be Jordan, and for them to be Scottie Pippen. Without any kind of bitterness about not being the best. They're not just content in it, they're happy there.

Feminism has convinced them their natural urges for being a support class is "sexist, and oppressive" is why women are being forced to play a role they never wanted to play, and downing so many anti-depressants they're poisoning the water supply.

Women want to be #2. Too much pressure on #1. They literally can't handle it. It's like letting a 14 year old run the house finances while mom and dad play Xbox and play on Facebook all day.

Women are literally just the oldest teenagers in the house. Treat them accordingly and they'll love you for it.

[–]argentinean23 points24 points  (14 children) | Copy

I sacrificed so much for my ex wife.

Gave away many social connections and friends and stopped creating new ones, especially women, because she didn't like them. Spent in goods for her (expensive clothes, vacations) most of the income from my first 5 years of career. Only to be eventually dumped after getting total beta at my lowest point in the relationship. Her only sacrifice may have been having put up with beta, unattractive, lame sex- me for so long.

But it was then when I stumbled across TRP. Being 29 y.o., I think I paid a relatively low price. I've got my best years and a promising career ahead.

[–]1User-31f64a4e21 points22 points  (10 children) | Copy

Gave away many social connections and friends and stopped creating new ones, especially women, because she didn't like them.

Oh, if only it was that.

I am convinced that women deliberately try to isolate men from their support networks. It has nothing to do with liking your friends or not; in other circumstances she would hang with them.

Treat this as any other shit test when you encounter it.

[–]argentinean12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Right on the spot. I find myself now with very few male friends and a non existent support network. Her, on the contrary, found herself surrounded by family members, female friends, and white knights to rescue and support her and confirm she made the right decision. Fuck them all; I'll build my empire from scratch.

[–]waynebradysworld8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

It has to do with control. If a woman senses her man has more fun with a friend than with her, it is a threat to her relationship.

You have convinced yourself of something absolutely real.

[–]RPthrowaway1239 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

This makes a lot of sense. If they isolate a man from the (already limited) support networks he has, of course he will be more likely to fall into her frame.

[–]1User-31f64a4e3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's actually a good point.

I always figured it was about support; it never occurred to me that frames comes in to this.

Working this through a bit - yeah, cutting you off from a point of view that is not hers will make it harder to hold frame, easier to fall in to hers. She's cutting away anything that could prop up a world view that is not the one she wants you to have.

I just figured it was about competition, her ego ( i.e. being around people that are not her people but rather yours means less ego propping up for her), and isolating you from emotional support.

Thanks for the additional consideration, which in retrospect is probably a really huge part of why they do it.

[–]RPthrowaway1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No problem! It is definitely additionally about the things you suggested, but I think frame is the most important thing in all relationships - and while they might not be thinking about it consciously the way we do, they are definitely motivated by it!

[–]Ovadox4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cults do the same thing to gain the absolute loyalty of their followers. Obviously not the kind of mental place you want to be in.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am convinced that women deliberately try to isolate men from their support networks

Absolutely yes. Not all do - but the manipulative controlling ones will. Never, ever let them do this. Maintain your social contacts. Do not let her alienate you from them by playing up, by bad mouthing them, by refusing to join you. (In the latter case simply go without her)

[–]1User-31f64a4e0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. In my case, she would act out and embarrass me. Leaving her behind and going solo is sometimes good for this, but not so good for dinners and other couple activities.

A hard next would have been best, that would have saved a lot of trouble and hassle over the years. If only we had had trp when I was young ...

[–]rpscrote3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am convinced that women deliberately try to isolate men from their support networks.

totally spot on man. I consider it a very good sign if your chick specifically says "I dont want to stop you from seeing you friends" or something along those lines early on

[–]GRRMkills 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

Her only sacrifice may have been having put up with beta, unattractive, lame sex- me for so long.

Her major sacrifice here is that she lost 5 years during her prime. Women are considered to peak in attractiveness at 21. Compare that to men who peak much later and also decline much more slowly in attractiveness. Women lose a lot by committing to a beta in their early 20s, hence why a bunch of women get caught up in the CC in the first place, because at first they're just searching for an alpha capable of satisfying them in the long run, they make a couple bad choices, and then eventually get caught up in a self-perpetuating cycle that only ends when they slam headfirst into the wall.

[–]argentinean0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

True. She gave me her best years, while my best years are ahead. She missed the CC and spent with me her 22 to 29 y.o. years.

[–]Ovadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

These days I would guess the CC starts around 13 or 14. Shit, I'm 33 and once I hit college I never even met a virgin let alone fucked one.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nice post. I believe this is congruent with Lesson 6 from the Book of Pook: Book of Pook - Lesson 6

Simply put: Be the prize to be won

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How tall are you? Congrats on the weight loss by the way.

Muscle is definitely good man, I would hit the weights even if you stay the same weight it's a great anti-depressent.

[–]684616748970514549804 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Disney, popular culture, and modern feminism foster a viewpoint that having a woman in your life is a great reward.

having been on both sides of the 'ideal' thing to have, a gf who loves you a lot VS a surplus of money, I can tell you that while having a gf that loves you is nice, you can't really do much with that. In fact you kind of get held back and sucked into a stagnant mentality.

But having extra money you can do so many things, and the bonus is it attracts more women to you.

If I was to give advice to anyone now it would be to focus on making more money over pua or spending time with a gf.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Truer words were never spoken. So many of us would be so much farther along without women at all.

Just fuck sluts. Forget finding a special someone. They're not special.

[–]684616748970514549802 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

you can find someone special, and they can add things to your life. That's all fine

where guys fuck up is thinking they found someone special AND irreplaceable. nobody is irreplaceable. and when you keep in mind that they can leave at any time, and you're left with nothing real afterwards, you start skipping those days of lazing around watching netflix with her and focus on improving yourself/your financial prospects or status. and when you do that, she is more attracted to you, as are other higher quality women.


[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women show their love the same damn way. When a woman loves a man, she sacrifices for him. She does things for him. She buys him things. She begs to fuck him.

I totally agree. Women behave exactly the same as men when the SMV balance is on his side: being nervous, saying the completely wrong weird thing, running away at odd times, actually making some effort, etc. It's the nervousness that I love the most :)

But most men never experience this, and don't recognise it when they do. And when it happens, women will still employ the hamster to hide it ("it's his job to make the first move" = scared, "it's his job to call" = I don't dare, "he's just an asshole" = I am not worthy, so I choose to pretend to hate).

When you're in this position, it's essential to milk it for all you can. Do not supplicate, do not "give her a hand up", do not "come down to her level". Let her keep on working (and investing) and when/if she stops then go back to working on yourself and other women. Women will not be your orbiter for long without awesome sex.

I am still not totally convinced that AF/BB are completely separate rather than attraction being a continuum. I guess the difference doesn't matter.

[–]1NPIF7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I recently decided to give the Ltr game a go again, after deciding one of my plates (20 y.o, hb8, no daddy issues) was worth a little more investment.

Things were great at first, few shit tests, great sex, no real complaints. Over time though, it became apparent that this chick seriously believed being my girlfriend was enough.

The flirting ceased. The sexy pics stopped coming. When I would arrive to pick her up, she wouldn't even be ready and would take another hour plus to shower, pick out clothes, and do her makeup.

Thankfully TRP had already taught me that these things are indicators the relationship has fizzled. Not being ready when I show up is blatant disrespect for my time. Not putting in effort to keep me around is her thinking she's "got me".

Boy was she wrong. Broke up with her yesterday and I already have invitations to meet up with two former plates.

/u/Archwinger is dead on when he says that a woman who is attracted and attached to you will try and keep you around. She recognizes your worth and reels in her own hypergamy and pride to keep you around. Most importantly, she is responsive, attentive, and highly sexual with you. Why? Because she knows if she isn't, another girl will be.

Do not tolerate disrespect or a lack of effort from your Ltr or plates. And recognize that when they do slip up, it's on you to correct the behaviour or next her.

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Please write a FR about the inevitable calls you get now that she got dumped and will begin chasing you

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I feel like the movie Don Jon also addresses this perfectly, albeit in not as direct of a way.

[–]JP505152 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice reference! Most people are familiar with the phrase, but not the actual movie.

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Every married guy I know who changed for his wife and gave up the things he loved at her request inevitably ended up divorced. I doubt these guys were aware of TRP so there's that, but her requests for you to change are tests.

[–]Jack_Wellington5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"You’re not searching for the right woman. You’re searching for the right you."

The essence of Red Pill or awakening.

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The most valuable advice in this very instructive story:

Youre searching for the right you.

The woman (more like women) come out of the woodwork begging to fuck the right man.

The wrong man gets used and cheated on. Thats his reward for being a nice guy. No wonder the anger stage is so common

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I agree 100 percent. Women think all they have to do is show up with their vagina and entitled attitude and they can get whatever they want. Even fat, unattractive 3s will gloat about how they love to go to the bar to get free drinks from guys.

Fuck that.

If men had a union where all men were Red Pillers and no one was a submissive bitch, women might not expect to get away with that shit and start acting loke decent human beings again with general respect towards men. Those god damn betas make women feel like they can get away with being cunts.

Any girl that isn't brainwashed into acting this way has been married and stayed married from a young age.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Pretty sure a healthy relationship should be based on trust and compromise/sacrifice on both sides. One sided sacrifices builds up resentment and kills the relationship, doesnt matter which gender is doing it.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Equality is the least successful relationship model.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

hahahahahahahaha......oh my. Im out

[–]OneLastSpartan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the message should be your both willingly to sacrifice for each other in the name of love. Not just taking over the woman's role and casting the male projected persona onto them. Plus how many times do you need to repeat the same thing in a post? Each paragraph is a further condensed form of the first.

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[–]Johnny_Tempest39 points40 points  (4 children) | Copy

Treat her like a dog, and make her beg for her treat.

Woah dude, that's going a little too extreme.

Don't compare women to dogs. Dogs are obedient and won't steal your money.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you want love, get a dog

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ouch. My sides.

Ever wondered what properly applied disagree & amplify could be? Now you know.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dogs and women have their own boundaries. I can't trust a woman to respect me unless she knows she can be replaced. I can't trust a dog to leave alone my bacon if I leave it unguarded. It's that simple.

The dog is loyal but you leave delicious bacon out unguarded and it's your own fault.

[–]2Overkillengine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I might go get her a bag of skittles if she asks really nice.

After a good fuck.

But not every time. Too much physical and emotional Sugar will make her fat and spoiled.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

100% correct.

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.

If you don't see your woman as a kind of puppy (the emotional context of your relationship) you are in deep Beta Blue Pill trouble.

Disney is a kind of mental rape because it flips things upside down.

Walt Disney was part German. As were many Germans that came to America around 1848 they were escaping the Monarchy of Ludwig I. Ludwig I was the Red Pill King of Bavaria that forms the basis of Oktoberfest. It was the arranged marriage of Ludwig I (Catholic) with the princess of Austria (Protestant) that unified the two countries and started the Oktoberfest tradition.

Ludwig I was known as a womanizer. While still married he slept wih countless Bavarian women and even a high profile Irish actress.

Ludwig I was also a ruthless Monarch. He crushed the "Spring of the Peoples" in Germany in 1848 and that's why many socialists escaped Germany to America out of fear.

Walt Disney's father was a German socialist.

But at the time you had the counter-socialist fascist movement in Germany which Walt Disney was flirting with.

The bottom line is socialist or fascist American Germans all hated Monarchy.

How do you fuck the Monarchy?

Create Disney films that make the King act like a faggot.

[–]GASTON_TONNERRECOQ 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy

Can we just get this guy some MENWOMENCHILDRENPUPPIES flair so he doesn't have to write it out in every comment?

[–]NeoreactionSafe4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

It can't hurt to repeat the basics.

There are so many times when I read people with the most complicated theories of Red Pill and they simply have too many moving parts. They just don't see it clearly.

K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid.

...that's another flair that would be good.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's not basic - my experience is quite opposite. I'm not the only one. Not only did I just see a man lose his place to his lying girlfriend who faked a domestic violence victim situation but she also threatened to kill his dog.

Tell me again how women love puppies (in the chain, indirectly). Or children... some. I remember a few years back a young girl no older than 5 taking pleasure in pushing kittens heads down until they cried in pain. Evil little thing.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Natural hierarchy is the way a "successful" reproductive culture functions.

We live in a sick Blue Pill distorted reality. It will die. (Misandry Bubble)

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I feel like this is the perfect post to show the red pill to someone close that you want to unplung. In this case, my best friend. I am plugging out his cable and he isn't disagreeing or arguing against it or anything like that, but I feel that this would unplug it even further. Because concepts like AWALT scares away blue pillers really easy for example I can't go all out on "all women are children in adult bodies", it has to be gradual, that "all women today are children in adult bodies, and that our mothers are real women and they just won't ever come shipped like that anymore. Atleast not for a long time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The first paragraph sums up perfectly what is the biggest generator of "Nice Guys". Such guys follow and try to put in practice what they see and are taught, obviously get angry and frustrated because shit doesn't work like that and end up being mocked by people.

[–]Gawernator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a really good post. Not many people realize what is going on in the 'undercurrent' of human interactions.

[–]Steakin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Generally, I don't subscribe to RP philosophy, but this post truly resonated with me.

Seems like a rarely dual-purposed mindset that doesn't try to spare everyone's feelings at this point.

[–]Joshlynx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is some Book Of Pook shit right here

[–]Kirkayak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Love lies somewhere between mere liking and a willingness to sacrifice at least a little.

Mutual benefit comes to mind as an ethical and worthy goal.

[–]SoldierGenerale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post is backwards. It's only when your girl loves you that's when she starts sacrificing things for you. If you act like a beta pussy she'll never love you enough to sacrifice things for you.

Act right and she'll treat you right.

[–]nicememeboss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn the things you say make me the bitch in the relationship and my girlfriend is the beta guy.

I need to get my shit together.

[–]IWillAlwaysReplyBack0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Don't be sucking her dick, she's there to suck yours.

[–]UlyssesElias0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you mean you suck her dick less than she sucks yours? Why and how does that work?

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[–]Senior ContributorRedPope16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll be that asshole. Without even reading this

And I'm pretty sure the gist of your life's story revolves around a love of inserting large objects up your own lazy asshole.

You aren't expected to read every thread posted here. No one has that kind of time. But commenting without reading? Why? What value do you hope to add? Best case: You restate what OP posted... to an audience who already read it.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

They stay much more satisfied if things are on terms of equal trade for equal value.

Ideally, the situation cannot be absolutely equal in her mind. She needs to feel like she is working a little harder than you are to maintain the relationship, otherwise she won't regard you as her superior. Then hypergamy will kick in and her eye will begin to wander.

Women want relationships more than men. So WOMEN have to put in the work for them.

[–]MightyTaint1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey, thanks for commenting on the essay without reading it. Adds a lot of value to the discussion. Would you like to tell us more about what you think of things you purposefully keep yourself ignorant of?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That said, they don't get any of my value unless and until they demonstrate some of their own.

And we also know the ideal ratio. It's 2:3.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

wait wait wait... So you read the title but not the content, and so decided to comment that you disagree based on the title alone, but still judge the "gist of the thread" to be "spot on", so you upvote it? WTF?

[–]Creamadell-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

OP definetly could have choose a better title

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I use notoriously bad titles. Just check my post history. I'm awful at that.

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[–]Atakhan-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

the best story in my opinion is that not sacrificing anything for anyone and neither making anyone sacrifice for you at all, except your family.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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