Married man from r/DeadBedrooms gets fed up. Applies every single RP principle by the book, without even knowing about RP. Results are as predictable as you'd expect.

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April 22, 2015

Looking through RP lens, story reads almost like a fairy tale.

The long hard road, out of hell

My life was shit. I frequently dreamed of suicide. My biggest problem was my sexless marriage. I logged in to this old account this morning to find a dozen messages asking me if I had killed myself (How would I even answer?) or if I had divorced my wife yet. Neither of those things happened. Something much better happened.

Now quickly, imagine yourself going to r/relationships or similar mainstream sub. What do you think would be #1 advice?

Shortly after I made those posts, my wife and I started seeing a marriage counselor. Everyone in the world told me counseling was the right thing to do.

Of course! Counseling!! Aaaaand ... did it work?

The counselor's advice amounted to something like "So you're horribly depressed because you have needs which aren't being met. Have you considered not having needs?". At one point he floated the idea of trying to get me a libido lowering drug. He was 100% on my wife's side of everything.

Libido lowering drug!? /SMH

After one year of brainwashing he finally gives them both 'a finger' ...

... I told him to fuck off. I told him that his services were worthless and that I would not be returning.

... completely withdraws attention from his wife and starts focusing on himself:

I got back into old hobbies I had been neglecting during my depression, started spending 3 or 4 hours a day at the gym doing heavy compound lifts fueled by repressed anger, and running until I made myself puke.

For 3 months he got no reaction, but at that point he genuinely DGAF anymore. But something else was starting to happen: other women suddenly checking him out and people at gym complimenting his progress. The mark of true success: persistence.

Seasoned RPers already know what you get when you cross Dread and SMV increase:

The next day as I was leaving, she stopped me and said pretty much nothing before initiating sex. That day I missed the gym because we fucked for four hours.

The Alpha is born. Nothing can stop him now.

Starting the next day, I'd text her commands from work. Stuff like "Be naked when I get home." or "Wear the red one. Make sure a lot of lube is easily available." and she would follow them. ... For about a month after, I still spent no effort on her needs.

I can already imagine Roissy linking his skittles man story.

Every single day of that month. Sex happened whenever I wanted it, for as long as I wanted it, however I wanted it. No resistance. No complaints.

Surprise, surprise.

And then he amps it up a notch (true mastery way, not asshole way) ...

I started rewarding her for putting out. I started taking her on dates again, and playing card games with her again. I'd bring her little gifts again. If she didn't put out on a given day, for any reason, I'd completely deny her any of my attention or energy.

BRAVO SIR! Operant conditioning 101: reward good behavior, punish bad. He finally Gets It.

This change in our relationship has lasted 9 months now. She's very nice to me now, gets naked whenever I want, and is super affectionate in public. I love her again, and now I feel like she loves me too. My depression is over!

And they say Red Pill is bitter. Yes, immediately after you swallow it, but the more you digest it the sweeter it gets. The comment section turned into a discussion about The Red Pill.

What's really interesting in this story, other than being yet another proof of RP concepts, is that it's very rare that someone unplugs himself without external (RP subreddits, manosphere blogs) aid, without metaphorical Morpheus. But this guy did it.

tl;dr (his own words): Ignored my wife. Worked on myself. That fixed my marriage.

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Title Married man from r/DeadBedrooms gets fed up. Applies every single RP principle by the book, without even knowing about RP. Results are as predictable as you'd expect.
Author wakethfkupneo
Upvotes 1208
Comments 345
Date 22 April 2015 11:13 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
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[–]pahispua396 points397 points  (78 children) | Copy

Best part of that thread is where a sub mod chimes in that he's had a tonne of reports that the OP is "advocating abuse". Sense prevails and he keeps it open for discussion.

[–]Nantafiria321 points322 points  (41 children) | Copy

That mod's responses on the thread are great. People asre going 'wahh muh safe space' 'omg red pill so evil' and the guy just tells them no, shut up. I will remove things breaking the rules, I will mod posts going overboard, but I won't remove things just because you dislike them. He even states he dislikes the post himself, but still won't remove the post.

Kudos to that guy, he did well.

[–]6846167489705145498072 points73 points  (3 children) | Copy

and is certainly not a relationship I would want to be in (well, okay... given our common history here, I could go for this for a couple of months before wanting to find something a little more all-around satisfying)

it's funny how beta people now, when seeing a relationship that works in black & white, get mad/sad about the dynamics. Before she was miserable, he was miserable. Now they are having sex, she's affectionate, happier, he's way happier. Yet they still reinforce the betabitch behavior in their head "WAHH ITS NOT HEALTHY". How the fuck is it not healthy? What's more all-around satisfying? She desires him, he desires her. They are affectionate and enjoy doing things together now. What is more all-around satisfying than that?

That's why these idiots will never be happy, they can't handle reality and still live in a dream world where there's a perfect relationship where everyone is happy and does whatever they want 100% of the time

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the same logic as the fat people trying to say obesity is healthy. They don't want to admit to themselves that what they're doing is wrong and needs to change. In the same way most of DB is there to circlejerk, not admit they're doing something wrong and realise they need to make an actual effort to fix it. So they hate people like this OP because they fly in the face of that and show that changing your own behaviour can fix your problems, just like how "health at every size" pricks hate diets.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I often think that the best part about The Red Pill is that it just simply leads to better outcomes. Everyone is happy. I'm happier, my girlfriend is happier with me, people respect me, nobody is crying anywhere about anything in my life. Everyone is better.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon95 points96 points  (33 children) | Copy

He even states he dislikes the post himself, but still won't remove the post.

Wtf is there to dislike about it? Dude is just relating his experience. Don't ever judge the crazy bitch who kicks OP when he's down but only rewards him when he's an asshole. Judge the dude who turn his life around against all odds!

[–]larrythetomato177 points178 points  (13 children) | Copy

Wtf is there to dislike about it?

Because he took action and fixed his life, both are antithetical to deadbedrooms, a sub dedicated to whining and depression.

[–]FattestRabbit 107 points107 points [recovered] | Copy

Didn't you know? Taking control of your life, increasing your SMV, and changing your actions in general are manipulative!!!!!!! Just be yourself! /s

[–]PlebDestroyer25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hahahhaha what the actual fuck. Do people really say this?

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (1 child) | Copy

For your own health and future sanity this question will not be anwsered.

[–]foldpak1119 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, but that is the underlying psychology.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Putting in the hard work is oppressive. Only assholes work hard to get their lives on track. Fuck these guys who improve themselves and set the bar higher for me. I just want to sit here behind my pc crying about my non-existent sexlife and claiming the moral highground because I am NICE!

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The counselor in the post refused to take his side on anything.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because he took action and fixed his life,

And didn't talk about it or get counselling about it.

If you didn't get counselling, it isn't really fixed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ya, it's SOP there that counseling is the answer.

I had a buddy to go counseling and, at that point, it's already over.

[–]tsudonimh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Go read it again. He did go to counselling. It didn't work. He tried something else. That worked.

The blindness these people show used to astonish me. But now I get it. And I use that knowledge to make me better.

[–]ThisShitRules7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think it's about rewarding her for putting out and punishing her for not. But that's like a minor detail in the whole thing and isn't even the point of the story.

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[–]fasterpussycatdie44 points45 points  (1 child) | Copy

Miserable people are like crabs in a bucket. They would rather see others just as miserable as themselves and will rationalize all kinds of excuses to do so. People are ego invested in their own way of life so the fact that the guy employed TRP principles and his marriage, wife and life are in a better place....

It must be something else.

[–]Nantafiria12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey, if he dislikes it, that's on him, I'm not going to harp on him for disagreeing with something. It's his dislike for the post but his refusal to remove it that impresses me.

[–]Squeezymypenisy20 points21 points  (12 children) | Copy

I'm more amazed that someone said the redpill is dumb because its name is taken from a shit movie. Last I checked the matrix was studied in college classes and was one of the top rated movies of all time.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy

Matrix actually comes from the Latin "mater" meaning mother, and the later middle English for "womb". The movie title is aptly named because the plugged-in are effectively incubated in the generated world - with the unusual side meaning from mathematics : a rank 2 tensor / linear operator / grid of numbers. It's conveniently an excellent metaphor for the manosphere too because of the female connotations - and of course the RedPill/BluePill scene. That whole film is laced with brilliant metaphors.

[–]alpha_n3rd6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

I wish it was laced with a logical fucking reason for why the machines kept the humans alive at all when they could get all the fucking electricity they want from nuclear and/or renewable sources while the amount of electricity you can generate from humans is insignificant plus you have to feed them house them and dispose of their shit and build a damn matrix and run the risk of some asshat breaking out and destroying it.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

The story was originally that humans were kept alive to serve as memory and processing network nodes but they changed it because they thought that people are too stupid to understand a concept that simple.

[–]alpha_n3rd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Still a pretty flimsy premise.

[–]NightGod2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not when you consider the state of technology in the mid to late 90s, when the script was written. Even today, technology struggles to achieve processing similar to that of any organic brain. I recently read an article (I want to say it was in Popular Science) that stated that researchers are excited to be closing in on making a chip with the parallel computing prowess of a housefly.

[–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

There was actually a very good explanation for this.

Initially it was scripted such that humans were kept alive by the robots so that their brains could be used as computers. This was marginally forward thinking for 2001, when we didnt have Machine Learning and Big Data as household terms. The public rarely thought of brains as types of computers.

But the producers were worried the concept was too difficult for audiences to grasp. And Duracell offered them a fat sum of money for a product placement. So they instead did the scene with morpheus holding a Duracell battery and telling Neo that humans were just for energy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, you had to suspend almost all disbelief. I guess you could say the machines used some kind of randomized creativity to get to that point and reached a local optimum so were unable to change their minds - as often happens with artificial intelligence - convinced bioelectric was the best option. The other argument you could make was that they were somehow undetectably leveraging the computational power of the human minds as well, and they hadn't worked out how to grow brains in a vat without the whole body. It was still a good film, but the concept deserves revisiting with less emphasis on the action.

[–]alpha_n3rd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I enjoyed the movies no doubt. I just think it's narcissistic to assume that advanced AI robots would have any use whatsoever for us meatbags except perhaps as pets.

[–]Hrodrik0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wasn't it for computing power or something?

[–]peoplearejustpeople90 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That "asshat" never actually broke out of the matrix. He is still in it because of his powers are still usable in the "real world." The matrix actually created Neo to fight off a virus and that whole "wake up" thing was an "outside" programmed world for those special humans who were incompatible with the matrix. The whole movie is basically a personification of program code.

[–]RPthrowaway1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The film is a great study in several areas of philosophy - what is real/human perception, what is control, what are the limits of the human mind? There's religious elements too, if you see Neo as a Christ figure. Hell, the Matrix invented a number of film making techniques!

Say what you want about the red pill, but never badmouth The Matrix! :P

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

They dislike it because he treats his wife like a sex servant. The prevalent mindset (apart from "go away with your TRP crap") is "there has to be another way!"

[–]jakethesnake768 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's actually all about respect..

[–]loin_fruit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking white knights. Even when it's obvious that someone is doing well because they bettered themselves and are doing life their own way, they'll find a way to hamster how mean the dude was. Anything that's different than what they would do and yet is successful, is still wrong in their eyes. So dumb.

They are too afraid to try anything different because "it's not being who they are". Nah bitch you being a nice dude expecting shit for being nice is you not being yourself.

White knights will never accept a man doing well if it's different than their ideals. Only if it was a nice dude making it to the top will they accept it.

But that doesn't happen because nice dudes are like feminists. Complain about life not going their way, and just sitting back expecting all the work to be done for them.

[–]thredditsowaway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hilarious. It's fucking called "dead bedrooms." It's a sub about trying to resurrect the sex life of married couples. That's exactly what this guy did. He is happier, his wife is happier, and he's on a path of general self-improvement which is great. One can only assume that she'll feel a need to work on herself too, as a result of the dread.

This one post could probably solve all of the dead bedroom problems on the internet.

But they complain.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner57 points58 points  (5 children) | Copy

I laughed out loud when I read that. The butthurt from feminists and white knights whenever a RP concept achieves results is almost palpable.

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[–]coffee_and_lumber4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I see that here sometimes. However, in this case, we're talking about a guy's wife. He realized that since she wasn't responding to him as he liked that he would take it upon himself to change, instead of going 'round and 'round with blaming her or engaging in useless therapy that pretty much only sides with the woman. The only "mental issue" at work here is the woman following her natural biology once the man follows his. We've shown this to be a pretty consistent phenomenon here.

[–]garlicextract1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, the best part is he DID try the therapy, it didn't work, THEN he moved on

[–]BooksofMagic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

decided by the hivemind

You have witnessed the hamster hard at work creating logic where there is none to begin with.

[–]1wakethfkupneo[S] 92 points93 points  (8 children) | Copy

Bluepill brigade got a massive butthurt. The real beauty of this story is that guy is 100% genuine:

  • long history of ranting about sexless life
  • shits on counseling as a goto bluepill solution
  • applies clean RP solution when it's clear from comments he had no idea about the existence of TRP
  • gets spectacular results
  • thread is overwhelmed with "... red pill ... red pill .... red pill ..."

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman49 points50 points  (3 children) | Copy

applies clean RP solution when it's clear from comments he had no idea about the existence of TRP

I too can pretend on the internet that I have no clue about TRP.

However, that guy has a (short) history of posting frustrated stuff regarding his dead bedroom, his suicidal thoughts and his alcoholism, then he took a 2 year-hiatus, and then he resurfaced while having his love life turned around. So unless he really played a long con, it's extremely unlikely he's pretending.

[–]life_manager26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

Pretend?? Last time I mentioned RP I was threatened to be DOXXED to my family and work for "bigoted views." Ironically, that was their moral high-ground.. to threaten me.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TheRedPill as a sub has only existed for 2 years and some odd months, so it's unlikely that he's did it to further advance this place.

[–]RealRational26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol, that's the great thing about concepts that work. In the end it doesn't matter how many people hate them, if they work, more and more people will start using them.

[–]GarandTheftAvto10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You touched on my favorite part of the story, other than confirmation of a lot of our RP philosophy.

His story just appears so goddamn TRUE and verifiable based on the long post history. It really comes through how much pain he was in and how hard he really turned it around.

[–]twistyquasar21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

why are they even talking about the red pill though? the poster of that thread doesnt even visit the red. if anything it reminds me of that movie "american beauty" with kevin spacey.

[–][deleted] 147 points148 points  (14 children) | Copy

It won't stay open long if redpillers continue to flood the comments with RP terminology...

Gents, please stop. Let that thread alone, that it may remain and become a shining beacon for the poor chumps of that sub in need of real help. There are now enough hints in the comment section as to where they will find it...

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman42 points43 points  (0 children) | Copy

I concur, there's a lot of TRP spread around.

Personally I think some of the probably non-TRP comments may be more valuable to them because they don't obviously push an agenda. Like

  • the one from the guy who did the same but said that he had emotionally checked out and divorced her
  • the one from the woman who did the same but said that even though her man started desiring her again (which he didn't before even though she ostensibly took care of herself), but her saying that her attraction to him has been poisoned by his constant refusal
  • the one from the guy who started to do the same but isn't sure how it will pan out because his wife starts becoming more adverserial and hostile instead of folding right of the bat; and there's a real chance that she'll leave him

All these accounts have in common that we have people who, instead of wallowing in their depression, turned their lives around and ultimately separation either happened or is on the horizon - but the message that these posts broadcast is pretty clear: (a) you can make things better by working on yourself and (b) you don't need an abusive partner, heck, you actually don't want an abusive partner even when (s)he complies once you successfully dreaded him/her or managed to reignite your attraction otherwise.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus20 points21 points  (11 children) | Copy

I agree with you. But I also don't think it's going to stop for a very simple reason: men are waking up.

For example, I'm not sure of the exact metrics but in the last week or so we've had about a thousand new subscribers join. The mods will be better placed to give you the figures. That's no joke.

[–]jiveraffe 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy


If I knew how to pull the stats from the site I'd do an exponential fit.

[–]M3_Drifter10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

This sub has gotten just about 5k new subscribers every single month month since November 2013. Nothing is heating up, but progress is steady, if the goal is to have as many subscribers as possible. I am not sure about that.

  • 20k - Nov 4, 2013
  • 30k - Jan 6, 2014 (63 days later)
  • 40k - Mar 6, 2014 (59 days)
  • 50k - May 9, 2014 (61 days)
  • 60k - Jul 2, 2014 (54 days)
  • 70k - Sep 2, 2014 (62 days)
  • 80k - Oct 31, 2014 (59 days)
  • 90k - Jan 4, 2015 (65 days)
  • 100k - Mar 4, 2015 (59 days)
  • 110k - May 3, 2015 (projection) (60 days)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Looks like we're probably less than two weeks away from overtaking /r/Mensrights as the premiere male-oriented sub on Reddit

[–]Jordoom5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Which is probably for the best. I don't fundamentally disagree with it, but the atmosphere was a bit too whiny the last time I was in there.

[–]Azzmo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed. I was subbed there before I found TRP a year and a half ago. Unsubbed. I got tired of the "Here is a bad thing that somebody did" posts. TRP has those bitch posts too, but at least it also has a lot of good, actionable advice and real life anecdotes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same here. I first found mensrights, which led me to GirlWritesWhat, which led me to Heartiste, which led me to TRP (the mindset, not just the subreddit)

/r/MensRights was a worthwhile stepping stone, but our growth rate gives me the sense that TRP has siphoned off most of the non-whiners*, leaving MR with nothing but.

It's sad, because I think a manosphere subreddit oriented around laws, current events, and even a little strategically applied activism could be very useful...take out the whining and striving for "equality", and MR actually used to be a decent place to poke around.

*Or at the very least, men who could be convinced to stop whining once they've read the sidebar and gotten an initial dose of TRP.

[–]busyalterego0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hahaha. Get outa here. That's incredible! They're gonna ban us for sure - can't let the truth spread too far.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks. In the last week alone (14th - 21st) we've had 1159 new subscribers

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This only counts people who actually subscribe on Reddit too. The actual visitor counts for subreddits this size is way higher than the subscriber count, as in probably pushing 10 million hits a month with at least 100,000 uniques.

[–]RPthrowaway12326 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

So a man getting what he wants in his relationship = advocating abuse now? What a load of shit!

[–]garlicextract11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

the best part is when people mention TRP. the OP responds with "?" and people say 'its a shitlord sub that advocates doing [what OP did].

OP simply responds with "Oh. Neat."

[–]twistyquasar21 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

it worked for him. and now ops thinking about looking up this sub now. boom new subscriber.

[–]PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I dunno; he seems to be done already.

[–]brannana3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, the best part is that a common suggestion in that sub is for the guys to read & apply "The Married Man Sex Life", which is essentially TRP without the 'never get married' piece. Right down to a lot of the same terminology and everything.

[–]bartallen47900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Post was deleted, what a shame.

[–]herpes_delivery_man 257 points257 points [recovered] | Copy


  1. Wife doesn't put out and ignores husband completely
  2. Husband decides to lift and do hobbies because wife ignores him
  3. Wife now finds husband attractive and they start fucking
  4. Husband and wife are now happy together and their sex life is saved.

.....and people are calling this emotional abuse?


[–][deleted] 209 points210 points  (9 children) | Copy

Technically, they are referencing the withholding of attention by the husband and calling it abuse. Women recognise it instantly because its the main item in their playbook.

[–][deleted] 107 points108 points  (4 children) | Copy

"The silent treatment"

Personally as an introvert, I love it when girls try to pull this shit to spite me. Like, hey thanks for the vacation!

[–]lobstergenocide31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Could not agree more. I think one very important part of the Red Pill is playing to your strengths. There seems to be this idea that only the loud and boisterous extroverted types can pick up girls, but that's not true at all. So long as you have the confidence, silent stoicism can work just as well, sometimes even better.

[–]RedHeimdall1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ha I was born in the briar patch, bitch!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely. My gf threw a mini-tantrum last night and walked into the bedroom, expecting me to run after her.

Hey thanks! I'll be reading on the couch!

[–]BooksofMagic21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

For women, that's where the abuse started. For men, it was from the two previous posts.

[–]2IVIaskerade27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy

The sort of people in dead bedrooms cannot concieve of this not being abuse. If it was just a normal, mundane, relatively easy fix for their problems, they would be forced to admit that they were failures, that their lack of a good relationship is their fault. They cannot do this, since it would involve admitting fault, something most people are remarkably unable to do.

Combine that with the common misconceptions about TRP, and you've got an easy exit for the hamster to run for.

[–]blacwidonsfw6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Haha exactly. You should look at my comment history. Some guy says that sub is a redpill echo chamber. I said maybe because it works. His response. "I'm only in this sub because my wife admitted her intimacy problems are 99% her *fault."

[–]PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah the few times I've been there I can't help but say things about trp or manliness.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

so true. most dead bedrooms are CAUSED by the party wanting sex, its their unattractiveness that is to blame.

they feel entitled to intimacy--they want the disney soul mate providing unconditional love.

its not reality, its the bluepill

[–]RealRational57 points58 points  (2 children) | Copy

Any time anyone is putting out positivity, happiness, strength, improvement, and there are people reacting negatively to that positivity; you know those people are dirt. Misery loves company, and they are miserable, so anyone achieving happiness must be evil. Because if they're not evil, then the dirt people must be, and their ego (solipsism) would never allow that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Miserable people sulk when they witness happiness. Because happy people remind them of their own misery and wretchedness.

[–]SwissPablo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not emotional abuse if both parties are getting what they want from the relationship. It's so elegant!

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon244 points245 points  (68 children) | Copy

Ha some of the comments on there are truly incredible. People are having a happy, sexual relationship. Woman has the man she wanted, man has the woman he wanted, and people are calling it abuse. Amazing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner281 points282 points  (42 children) | Copy

I've noticed a strange double standard among a lot of redditors.

Woman withholds sex from her husband, making him feel unloved and unwanted? Not abuse.

Guy responds to lack of sex by withholding attention and support from his wife? OMG EMOTIONAL ABUSE!

[–]Redrog1172 points173 points  (23 children) | Copy

You are just an example of rape culture with your sex entitlement. Rape happens because people like you believes a women can be pressured into sex, but that's rape. Did I mentioned rape? Rape.

[–]sweetleef16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]kalstate24 points25 points  (12 children) | Copy

You sir, are one goddam funny son of a bitch...Can I buy you a beer?

[–]Redrog119 points20 points  (11 children) | Copy

Sure, send me some bitcoins and I'll have one on you.

[–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (6 children) | Copy

Aaah the old bitcoin for a beer rape.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points | Copy

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[–]billcosbyeatsbabies0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey thanks for the beer man! Tastes a bit like rape though..

[–]trrrrouble4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

not sure if I have any remaining in this account and whether i remember the bot syntax

+/u/changetip all verify

[–]PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You have donated $300 in bitcoins


[–]trrrrouble0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah I never had that much in there. In fact it seems I emptied it out before.

[–]TheRealMouseRat8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sorry, you have to say rape a couple more times. I'll do it for you: Rape rape rape. There we go, now it should be ok.

[–]thedude1224871 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't tell the last girl I slept with that I took a trip to K-Mart beforehand to buy some chocolate. If she had known that, she wouldn't have slept with me. That means I raped her. If you don't disclose 100% of your life's story beforehand, and there's something in there that could make her change her mind about sleeping with you, it's rape.

[–]Drekalo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"IIIII was raped, when my mother called my bros sister a slut." -stupidest rape YouTube video ever

[–]n0xin-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

I believe you forgot the "/s"

[–]systemshock869 28 points28 points [recovered] | Copy

The fact that we have to use /s is pretty sad IMO. Fuck the /s. If you can't tell when obvious sarcasm is being used you should be exiled to France and re-identified gender neutral.

[–]Dr_Gd_N_Sxxy12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Whoa. Check your rape privilege bro.

[–]ModAerobus16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is literally the BP mentality. Go to PPD and you will see them act like this On second thought, don't go there.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

That entire sub:

RP: Do this and it will work and you will be more successful

BP: Yeah but feeeeelz

[–]americanmook2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one ever brings up stats there when arguing against a red piller.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's almost as if we live in a gynocentric culture or something

[–]coffee_and_lumber30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nuh uh! Women only get 77 cents to every dollar that a man does! And all the laws are skewed so there's no incentive for a woman to get married.

[–]WarsmithOrgruk12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

I can confirm that 77c/1$ is taught as curriculum in college classes that are happening this semester.

Also, when that same class addressed intimate partner abuse as they called it, ALL the statistics were for women. There was no statistics or information or ANYTHING about the possibility of men being abused by their wives.

[–]coffee_and_lumber5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

The abuse that is inflicted the most on men is not the kind that sends them to the hospital. Hell, even then, we would not be encouraged to admit it.

[–]WarsmithOrgruk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And when I brought that point up, it took the instructor a full 5s to recognize that I was referring to the possibility of men being victims as well.

There was also no mention of women being the primary perpetrators of abuse against children. Only that it was an unfortunate thing, and X% of children experience it.

[–]ReddishTablet13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

There was something along the lines of this on askwomen post yesterday titled "If you discovered your SO was much more "romantic" in previous relationships, would you care?"

Pretty much the opposite of when you see the situations of girls are bored riding the CC and find a beta and settle down. They then don't do any of the crazy(or even a simple thing like a BJ) sexual acts that they did in the past. Thinking about the relationship post that was posted on here recently about a guy finding out his wife was crazy in the sack before him but never did the stuff with him and also she lied about her sexual experience.

Pretty much the overwhelming majority said it would bother them if the guy was more romantic in a previous relationship... I would bet a big sum that most of them would have no sympathy for a guy who had a partner who was holding back on things she did with other partners.

They say men aren't entitled to sex but then can't see it the other way when they feel entitled to romantic gestures for them.

[–]newls2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They say men aren't entitled to sex but then can't see it the other way when they feel entitled to romantic gestures for them.

That's because modern western culture, including movies, books, and sitcoms, have all framed the commitment and romantic stuff (men's product) as "good" and the sex stuff (women's product) as not "bad" per se but not as "good".

Problem is guys buy into that too and become white knights. They're so unaware and prone to messing up shit tests that they have no idea they're literally making themselves more and more beta provider in their women's eyes.

[–]floppymammarygland 15 points15 points [recovered] | Copy

I really think most redditors are absolutely fucked in the head and incapable of seeing things for what they are.

I REALLY want to come up with a way to take money from people like this. Legitimately, of course. But parting these fools from their money would bring me great joy.

[–]Redrog129 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

Anita Sarkesian already did it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

She definitely knew her target audience, feminazi's and white knights, lol

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

She's a genius if you think about it. Even when her scam is so obvious her victims still support her. That's a very skilled con artist.

[–]PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I recall reading something about mugs with "male tears" on them being sold by a men's advocacy group.

So that's an example.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amazing observation. I commented in that thread and was told that husband was sooooo manipulative. As if he should accept a sexless life because.....femail primacy says so

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because women only care about emotional abuse. You can't deny them sex; if they really wanted dick, they could have a dozen lined up that evening.

Loss of affection and attention is something they respond to. That's why it's verboten whereas denying sex is perfectly kosher.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet47 points48 points  (8 children) | Copy

and people are calling it abuse.

Because the truth of human sexual dynamics (where women are happily subservient to a strong man) threatens the power dynamic they've spend decades building (where women can extract everything they need from men without having to give anything in return).

It really just amounts to laziness.

[–]_fappycamper21 points22 points  (7 children) | Copy

Honestly, I doubt there is a secret evil plot here. Just men forgot how to be men, that's all.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

Laziness isn't an evil plot. The achievement of maximum resources using minimum effort is the intrinsic goal of all living things.

If we could get hot bitches without working out and working hard, we'd happily live as fat, unmotivated wastrels.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Very astute. Only difference is we admit that, we don't pretend that it's NOT the case.

[–]Iramohs9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Men allowed women to condition men into forgetting how to be men.

[–]MHOOD0117 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

You mean men forgot how to teach men how to be men.

That whole 'women should've kept men in-check,' no motherfucker, you have to be a man. What you want is your woman to be a man just like you, and have a dick while acting like a woman. Just like if your woman nags you to do something, but she also wants you to do the million dollar deal at your job, but there can only be one: take out the trash or do the million dollar deal, you will not get both.

What has happened is men forgot how to be men and women decided that they are going to have to drop the feminine role and play the masculine role. I can't even blame them.

No woman wants to get fucked by a man that acts like a bitch.

[–]Iramohs5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

What I meant was that men allowed feminism to spiral out of control which gave women the power they needed to condition men into forgetting how to be men.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The International Communist Conspiracy is a real thing.

Feminism was NEVER the goal and feminists- like blacks, jews, the disabled and every other 'victim group' are nothing more than useful idiot. The REAL plan is a LONG MARCH through all the social institutions followed by equalitarian Nirvana, Comrade.

[–]herpy_McDerpster-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Break down of the traditional family unit causes this.

[–]justtookit71 points72 points  (8 children) | Copy

If these people had healthy concepts of relationships, they'd have healthy relationships. Instead, they're in /r/DeadBedrooms.

[–]grimreaperx28 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Unfortunately logic doesn't work on everyone. OP's woes are finally solved by applying Red Pill methods and everyone shits themselves. I mean wtf is the point of that subreddit then?

[–]coffee_and_lumber14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

I mean wtf is the point of that subreddit them?

Only taking advice that agrees with peoples' existing worldview. And giving advice based on that same shitty worldview.

[–]Kyuzo_6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do what you've always done, you'll get what you always got.

No wonder they're all perpetually fucked

[–]twistyquasar22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

actually they arent fucked thats tey are on r/deadbedrooms

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And giving advice based on that same shitty worldview.

I know this is an old post... however, I get shit if I say something about RP outside of this sub. So... that's called double-jeopardy.

It doesn't stop me of course, I'm RP, lol I'm not going to have someone tell me what to do.

So, on some of the posts that I feel it's worth responding on, I give dissenting opinion.

[–]_fappycamper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is great. Honestly I doubt anyone who has a healthy sex life ever set foot in r/deadbedrooms

[–]1iluminatiNYC8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Um... That woman was abuse, point blank period. If they put it on the guy, they're jerks.

[–]Venicedreaming10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

A lot of RP folks have bitter experiences with women, hence the disconnection. Most of the world out there have no cross with each other, some people are in perfectly happy relationships with no drama, so RP strikes them as such an odd way to view life and genders. Sure there are unhappy people who would be gladly be willing to swallow the pill, but I'm talking about a large majority who are perfectly content with life. That's why people understand RP as abuse, if that makes sense

[–]well-ok-then1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

How does he have the woman he wanted? He has the same unloving harpy he had before. Does she bring any value to his life at all besides a warm hole?

[–]meet_me_at_high_noon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He has the woman he wanted in that she's fucking him again. One of the things that happens for men in LTRs after they swallow the pill is that they stop seeking approval and romance from their SO's and instead look for a companion and someone to have a steady sex life with--a first mate as I've seen it termed. I don't need my girlfriend around all the time, just when I want to make love to her or have a companion. My running, my job, most of my life is my own and we each do our own thing. But we share it together. So while recognizing AWALT, if what you want is a LTR that comes with certain understandings that you have to accept (like she wont be as intellectually curious as you most of the time) and that its okay because AWALT. I tjink he got exactly what he wanted. It doesnt mean shes perfect but you can.only expect so much in the first place.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, but that needs to be enough unless you plan to go MGTOW.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most of that is coming from the fence walking PC pussyfooter crowd. You know, the types who share animal abuse videos every day on your FB feed, yet make little to no effort toward those actual causes than "spreading awareness" via sharing crap articles with catchy headlines they didn't even read.

Most men in the generation who go on reddit (I'm guessing anywhere from teenagers to early 30s) are spineless PC "liberals" who are scared shitless of "offending" others.


[–]riverraider6963 points64 points  (0 children) | Copy

The most beautiful thing is that OP posted the first two threads back when /r/theredpill didn't even exist. You can't say he's a RP troll or a madeup story. He really is a guy who used to post more in suicidewatch and is now happy.

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[–]Tqbfjotlds 46 points46 points [recovered] | Copy

All counselling is targetted towards women, because women are the majority of customers who want to go in for counselling. The moment a therapist hints that the wife may be at fault, she will refuse to see that therapist again. I've seen it happen so often.

[–]coffee_and_lumber17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sticking with something you've volunteered to subject yourself to despite it feeling bad is a predominately male trait.

[–]lewd_crude_dude6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because women can never accept blame.

Everything is everybody else's fault, women are perfect. /s

[–]sweetleef3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

A wedding planner doesn't take suggestions from the groom, either. A therapist knows who the customer and the motivation for the counselling is, and that the money is in feeding her fantasy rather than resolving the conflict.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All counselling is targeted towards women, because women are the majority of customers who want to go in for counselling.

Actually, it's because words (read: deception) are a woman's wheelhouse.

Women talk, men do.

[–]billcosbyeatsbabies0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That explains why my many counsellors hardly did anything when i explained how abusive my mother was when I was a kid. I had to take my life back like a man

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[–]_eskimo_brothers_12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was pretty shocked and horrified at reading about the counselor line too. Hell I could imagine myself in that situation sitting in the comfortable chair or couch and standing up saying, you want to what? medicate my natural male physiology that is healthy and is simply has desire and the need to have sex with my wife? There are mental AND physical connections between us, as a man, I need the physical contact, it's human. Then unzip, say something along the lines of: "So, perhaps you've forgotten men have these" and smack him in the face with it. - Maybe not this last part.

I thought most decent couples counselors were actually there to help both people, although most will focus on the woman, be it that she is the one who really wanted to go, or that she may have underlying issues. It almost doesn't seem real that a counselor would suggest DRUGS to lower one's libido. Guys have more testosterone, thus will usually have a high libido/sex drive as long as they are healthy and active.

Women who have their own hormones out of whack, or something chemically/physically out of balance should always be checked first. Even that though as we all know here isn't the simple solution. If you don't create the tingles then the stream will be dry. But again something they don't even know about inside of them could prevent this, which is a real shame because they actually don't have total control of their own desire. I've known older woman who went through a phase or two where their hormones made them downright scary, and needed hormones to get them back to safe levels. Other women do not however seek to find out their own levels, and along with life choices makes them simply believe their unstable emotions are normal, which in turn scares away most men.

[–]1Sergnb8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

a number of comments in that sub are surprisingly supportive of TRP. are we witnessing a gradual awakening?

TRP ideas are typically supported amongst a high number of people... if you don't ever mention the words "red pill", that is. Use other kind of language and suddenly everything is logical and makes sense.

You'd be surprised by the amount of people that hate on TRP and have no idea how to recognize a TRP-esque post when they see it. They think 90% of posts around here start with "women are evil" and end with "do you even lift".

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Then just like clockwork bluepillers start reporting the thread and blaming us for a brigade (even though I read the post myself yesterday before it was posted here)

[–]newls0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

SJWs often accuse TRP of brigading merely when TRP-esque ideas all get upvoted and SJW ideas get downvoted into oblivion.

What they don't understand is that this sub has specific rules against linking to other threads. They're always or redditlog links.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Have you considered not having needs?

Reminds me of this.

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[–]thedude1224870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Have you considered not having needs?

Of course he did, that's why he was on the verge of killing himself for two years. You don't need anything when you're dead.

[–]HumbleEngineer-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was surprised about it too. Lots of redditors on that thread agree with trp.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love good dread game porn. I've got a raging dread boner right now.

[–]laere104 points105 points  (39 children) | Copy

Good post. I am happy that this guy used his anger to fuel self-improvement, instead of loathing around and waiting for a solution.

However, on another note, I don't know whether I am angry or just fucking livid from reading this:

The counselor's advice amounted to something like "So you're horribly depressed because you have needs which aren't being met. Have you considered not having needs?". At one point he floated the idea of trying to get me a libido lowering drug. He was 100% on my wife's side of everything.

Libido lowering drug!? /SMH

How the fuck can this be a serious fucking solution? Like are you fucking kidding me? A man wants to fuck his wife, and this dipshit wants to prescribe him a libido reduction-esque drug? God damn I thought things were bad but this just pisses me off. How the hell do these faggots become doctors/counselors. And how the fuck can they prescribe a man this sort of drug as a solution to a "no sex" problem. Un-fucking-believable.


[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet97 points98 points  (5 children) | Copy

A marriage counselor will lose a valuable repeat customer if he actually fixes the problem.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

True, but I also have no trouble believing that the counselor may just be incompetent.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

Grey's Law: Any sufficiently-advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

[–]Jokoran2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit. This is hilariously amazing.

[–]brannana2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just from the information in the post, it sure looks like the therapist is incompetent. Of course, most therapy disciplines don't require specialized training in couple's issues, so technically they're practicing outside their competency. Hell, some disciplines will grant licensure without any clinical experience at all!

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, that is the way they are educated and that is the way they practice.

[–]n0xin43 points44 points  (5 children) | Copy

I had a similar experience, except with suggesting antidepressants instead of antilibido. I'm not against responsible medication, but I found it to be incredibly one-sided to suggest that my mood was what needed adjusting, not the relationship itself.

I ended up saying to my ex: You like everything in your life except me; and the only thing I like in my life is myself. I'm not willing to spend any more time and energy letting you and our marriage counselor make me feel like I'm broken and worthless. I'm filing for divorce.

She didn't believe I'd leave; when I did, she told me how much she wanted me back. I filed, and left town. Even to this day, friends and family make it seem like it was my fault for walking away. I guess that's the blue pill culture -- in their minds, I should have taken some medication so that I would be obeisant in a dead marriage while providing all the income and stability but receiving no sex or affection. Makes sense right?

A few years later, I'm in a LTR with a woman now who is almost text-book RPW. Captain / First Mate dynamic, great communication, and copious amounts of crazy sex. I am positive I would never have gotten here without TRP.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reminds me of the relationship of a friend of mine that had devolved into a DB-situation towards its end. When he broke up for good (after she had implicitly threatened to break up countless times before), she was seriously dumbfounded and couldn't grasp how he could leave her because after all, she loved him more than anything yadda yadda yadda. Bitch.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

antidepressants instead of antilibido

Same thing. SSRIs will kill your dick. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what this guy was offered too.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're a fine example of what this place is trying to help people achieve, the captain/first mate dynamic, while at the same time, TAKING BACK YOUR LIFE. Letting YOU live it on YOUR terms.

[–]garlicextract0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

hah. how's the ex doing these days?

[–]n0xin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No idea. Strict no contact. Only way to fly.

[–]1independentmale29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

Counselors are much more than completely worthless. They're downright fucking dangerous.

Ex wife dragged me to various counselors for years. She was prone to firing them on a whim and making excuses as to why, though I eventually realized it was the moment they said anything positive about me or suggested there were areas she could work on, too. She was basically shopping for someone to tell her what she wanted to hear and she eventually found it in a male white knight religious "counselor" (with no formal training) at a local church.

This fucking schmuck... The ex had done her typical rant about how I control her with money and won't let her have nice things. Truth of the matter is she wanted dressage horses and acres of land with stables and a big truck and horse trailer with built in camper to take them to shows and on and on and yours truly didn't have a quarter mil just laying the fuck around to blow on that dumb shit.

Do you know what this prick told me? "Buy it anyway. Borrow the money at any cost. Your wife isn't happy. This is your wife we're talking about here, if a little debt will save your marriage, I can't understand why you wouldn't do that." The bitch sat there with a smirk on her stupid face like she'd won the fucking lottery.

I responded harshly. White knight got an earful about what his own Bible says about debt (nothing good) and how dare he sit in this church and claim to be a Christian while advocating for actions in direct contradiction with his own holy book and so on. All the while he made dismissive faces to me, rolled his eyes, shrugged his shoulders and gave my wife those knowing glances as if to say, "I sympathize with you."

When I finished yelling I stormed the fuck out, refused to pay for the session and told ex wife I was never attending another marital counseling session and if she wanted to go by herself she damn well better get a job because I wasn't going to let another penny out of my paycheck go to these sucker fish.

[–]foldpak1119 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course she doesn't have a job. I just laugh at these people. They can laugh, they can talk shit, they can cry in the corner like a little troll, they can make a Facebook post about it. I am a dominant man that has put in my 10,000 hours learning the reality in which the world we live in. So that means I am more qualified than these people when it comes to making life choices. I also give myself permission (not a permission boy), and I could kick your ass, so sit the fuck down, white knight.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Unbelieveably bad advice from that counselor. It’s easy to give that sort of advice when you’re not forking out the dough.

Here’s some better advice:

[–]newls2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Funnily enough I actually stumble upon RoK articles most frequently on my Facebook feed when girls share them all like "Oh my god is this guy actually serious!?"

I think it terrifies them so much that someone actually publishes all this stuff warning guys about how they're unsuitable LTR material. I bet that 90% of their social media shares are from the feminist/SJW crowd.

I think that specific article has a good point. I think the main idea is that horse girls aren't LTR material. Those beta provider slaves guys are completely at their wives' whims.

[–]kazaul1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So true on the horses. Wow. Never even realized it but I have always been creeped by those girls. No other animal connection weirds me out as much. Not even the ones I am irrationally scared of (dogs of all things).

[–]systemshock869 18 points18 points [recovered] | Copy

This made me furious as well. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I would rather castrate myself and join a monastery than become anything resembling that bottom feeder.

I tried marriage counseling. Never found a counselor who wasn't a total asshat. "Take these personality tests and do 5 pages of homework so I can tell you what your issues are next session!" Fuck off retard. We never got very far with any particular counselor, for lack of quality, but when specifics start coming out they always have a bias for the woman and it turns into 'how can we fix this guy so she's happy.' Worthless.

You have to wonder if these people have ever been married, but then again so many guys I know put up with unbelievable bullshit. Even 'bluepill' me has always been blown away by some of the blatantly childish behavior that a lot of domesticated men accept as totally fine.

Actually, I think I know one major cause for the rampant acceptance of bullshit these days. The postmodern belief that there is no right way to look at anything and everyone is the architect of their own reality. "I identify as female" -some dude. Fuck nature, science, logic, common sense, and anything but feelings. Get the red carpet for this brave champion of individuality and shame/belittle/harass anyone who hurts his fragile little feelings with the truth. Hell if he feels like he's a woman let's give him, not just a free pass into the women's bathroom, the legal right!

Girl gets drunk at a frat party, blows 5 dudes before she blacks out, wakes up pregnant: "I was raped!" Shame on anyone who questions her noble virtues and/or her victim narrative. And graffiti on their house, bricks through their windows, don't forget character assassination. Judgment and intuition is for outdated assholes. If she says it happened a certain way then there better be video proof, explicit texts of intent, and 10 corroborators or someone's going to jail.

Females are notorious for spinning facts to make themselves look innocent victims that are always right, and convincing others that their version of reality is the only one. Postmordernism has enabled this to happen on a societal level, even backed by FORCE OF LAW in some cases. We're fucked.

Wow long rant. MAH FEELZ!

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bet you feel a lot better after that.

[–]skoobled19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

This makes perfect sense of you wholesale buy into that the woman is always the victim and the man is always to blame

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blue pill thinking is pervasive. That's why. Men swallow it, and women don't even realize why they're unhappy, or why they're single.

[–]Frdl12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy

The marriage counselor has probably seen enough of this to know that the tingles are gone. Libido suppression, and eventual castration, are the only viable options.

[–]Kyuzo_21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

The way the poster summed it up seems to be the best description of marriage counseling I've seen yet:

"It seems like you have needs that aren't being met. Have you tried not having needs?"

That line is pure gold

[–]troll_bends_fir12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's a pretty good way to do it, offer the extreme options.

You will either shock the "boy" into becoming a man again, or finish his transformation.

[–]Hoodwink2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I highly doubt this is actually the method in any sense..

And that's why it's actually monstrous - not some kind of 'Judgement of Solomon'-esque response.

[–]troll_bends_fir1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, the counselor most probably doesn't have shocking the man in mind. His lashing out was probably seen as the counselor's failure, especially by the wife.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

...other than advocating what the OP in that thread did... which apparently isn't allowed because that would be 'abusive' or something.

[–]redpilltaste13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

They get through the gatekeepers when at university/college. All the gatekeeper academics in my psychology degree who chose those for selection to become grad psychs chose only those who agreed with their values. That is, that all men are evil and only a world run by women was acceptable, anything else was evil.

[–]krakosia13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" --Upton Sinclair

And another one tangentially related

“Institutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution.” -- Clay Shirky

Counseling, feminism are all the same. If the core problem they purport to be solving gets solved then there is no need for the movement/organization/role. So the problem needs to persist.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty much sums up the DEA too.

[–]Niketi9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's astonishing that somebody who's supposed to be a professional in human relations is that far off the mark. The power of feminist indoctrination. I don't want to think about how many anaesthetised doped up men are walking around out there like zombies wondering why their wives divorced raped them after they chemically castrated themselves to make her happy.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

True, the part with the counselor pissed me off far more than the year-long emotional abuse by his wife. She wasn't attracted to him anymore and lacked the decency to do something about it.

The guy on the other hand was supposed to be a fucking professional and help finding a solution. Seriously, I hope that guy ends up in a similar situation with his wife, but I wouldn't be too surprised if he'd actually take his own advice.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Marriage counselors have an unnaturally high level of divorce. Who could have predicted?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pragmatically speaking, who are you going to appeal to, the potentially rational male, or the erratic, irrational female? Shrinks aren't typically dumb, they know that you can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic their way into.

Counselling is anti-male by its very nature.

[–]SunshineBlotters0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Don't forget there is the chance that he is getting paid a ton of money by pharmaceutical reps to prescribe expensive drugs that no one actually needs.

A doctor almost killed my friend's mom that way.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're thinking of a psychiatrist (MD), not a psychologist (not an MD).

[–]RealRational0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There was a post on here somewhat recently that talked about how psychologists work for women. It was long but basically it was just the idea of a feedback loop. They're paid to give them feels, to alleviate their fear. They're not paid to fix problems.

[–]Chuckit_53 points54 points  (3 children) | Copy

The comments... some of these fuckers deserve a deadbedroom. Their wives must be half mad with horny.

[–]noLoveonlyWar13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's worse, they're getting only half the cock they want. It's just a tease for them because they know they're not fucking a real man. Sex with their loser just makes them pine more for alpha cock.


[–]RojoEscarlata3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Their wives must be half mad with horny.

Most of the women in a "death bedroom" will seek strange cock ASAP, unless their physical features impediment them to (very ugly or very fad)

[–]enticingasthatmaybe3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Their wives must be half mad with horny.

Women don't abstain from sex... Ever. Understand this little nugget of wisdom and you'll understand much more of the bigger picture.

[–]chrisindub20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

Did you notice how everything the husband did was quickly labeled as "abuse,"

But the wife who did all of the initial abusing gets a pass and is the "victim?"

So predictable

[–]Totsean6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pussy pass, it exists everywhere, even they're the abusers.

[–]Dzuari 19 points19 points [recovered] | Copy

It's amazing how so many people feel that a women is automatically entitled to your devotion and commitment as a partner to provide for her even when she does not return anything at all. Then when a guy says fuck it, it's manipulation...

[–]newls0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's all just a power play. One big shit test. She wants to know that you're a real man who laughs at her silliness and tells her to go do something useful.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm picturing a legion of RPer's around the world banging their desks,chests,dashboards,worktops making loud,approving monkey noises at our Lazarus buddy who made the changes to his life.

[–]muddynips12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

He has ascended.

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I watched this last week for the first time.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (5 children) | Copy

Someone said the word red pill....and got 90 upvotes instead of an insta perma ban. See that shit?

[–]RPthrowaway12316 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was amazed at that too. Even the mod refused to ban it, saying that obviously this was a topic people want to discuss and they won't silence it. I'm frankly blown away by the reasonableness of it all.

[–]newls5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

There was an AskReddit post the other day about male strippers and bachelorette parties. The top comments were male strippers who both agreed that women at these parties, especially the brides-to-be, thought they could get away with touching them and whatnot just because they were women.

Fucking dozens of comments were deleted except for the very top few comments from the strippers themselves. I don't think the mods and admins delete posts that are gilded. I wouldn't be surprised if they deleted the whole post though.

I read loads of quite reasonable and inoffensive comments legitimately recognising how shitty this behaviour was from the women specifically when you square it with how most people react to people cheating. But you'd refresh the page and see another ten of them deleted. And over and over again.

[–]RPthrowaway1231 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

/r/askreddit is far from free and open discussion. It seems /r/deadbedrooms at least allows it.

[–]newls2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep in the defaults it shouldn't be a surprise that any criticism of female behaviour, no matter how justified, is censored and straw man represented as 'misogyny'.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Suddenly the trees were not so tall anymore, he was overlooking the forest.

That, my friends, is how you become a giant.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look what one of those manginas wrote...

How unfortunate that this supposed support sub-reddit frequented by both men and women suffering from lack of sex has become infiltrated by Redpillers. The mods seriously need to do something about this, or else women are not going to feel comfortable sharing here.

[–]ConcealingFate12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

I'm afraid to go to the gym because I'm a beginner and even if I watched tons of youtube videos on proper form, I still haven't gone mainly because I care too much about other people even though it seems like gym people are usually super friendly.

But I've had enough now, I've read enough stories of people starting working out and seeing life improvements over a long time span. I am ready to accept that. I'll see you on the other side.

[–]vzhu23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

Here's something to wrap your head around to get you less anxious:

Nobody in the gym gives a flying fuck whatever you're doing unless they need to work in with you.

Good luck.

[–]ConcealingFate10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's mainly a ''I've never been there before'' kind of anxiety. But as I'm typing this, I am on the way to the gym. No more excuses.

[–]Hrodrik1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Facing the unknown is part of the process of alphanotbetization. Yeah, I'm coining that.

[–]foldpak11111 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Realize that your blue pill programming made you narcissistic. No one gives a fuck about you

[–]Dyalibya9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think that lifting is that complicated, most of the stuff should come naturally to you

gym people are usually super friendly

We are .......most of the time, you know why? because everyone at the gym was once a beginner on their first day

Finally, if you absolutely can't go to a gym, then you could easily buy some free wights, you would be amazed how much you can accomplish with a bar and adjustable dumbbells

[–]RPthrowaway1233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Take the plunge my friend, it's worth it!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you have the space get a bench with adjustable squat racks, a barbell, and some weights. You can do Stronglifts 5x5 at the house.

[–]TeasingPenguin12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

The counselor's advice amounted to something like "So you're horribly depressed because you have needs which aren't being met. Have you considered not having needs?"

At one point he floated the idea of trying to get me a libido lowering drug. He was 100% on my wife's side of everything.

The parts in bold are the most shocking yet not surprising points of this post, why is it seen as okay to basically castrate men?

Some men won't know any better and will listen to this advice and be terribly depressed if he is told he needs to be on some T suppressing drug, most men today have low T as it is.

[–]Riddick_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why is it OK to castrate men? Because. Men are also castrated [and castrate themselves] with 24/7 videogames, porn everyday, weed, booze by the case and nachos / corn feed / junk food and sugary drinks. That elusive pussy, cars and money comes in the form of a promise of a lifetime supply of giant carrots. BBs taste the product, but that shipment never arrives. That pussy is always on the horizon, like a Rainbow, but you BBs can't touch that. Sign that dotted line... Nope.

And Yes, today the majority of these so called "men" DO NOT know any better and never will. BB are made, and are bound to invisible mental chains, they have no idea know how enslaved they are. What real life is. To them nothing is real. Everything is a dream. These guys are sleepwalking through life. Sleepwalking! [edit] Western Culture tm has already approved the castration of men...

What is Real? RP guys know - Once you grow a set, and start pushing your boundaries and destroying limiting beliefs, you see real progress and real results.

[–]vzhu10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

A whole lot of fuckers forgetting about rule 1.

[–]1Ronin11A3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

People get the fucking evangelical bug and then can't help themselves. They can't just lead by example.

[–]through_a_ways4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

rule 1: don't talk about redpill.

Yet, everyone talks about redpill. So in reality, rule 1 can be restated:

rule 1: rules don't actually matter

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really don't understand how any subscriber to relationships and deadbedrooms can ridicule any advise in those subs. They are there because their relationships suck and nothing they try is making it better. How would you even know those subs exist if you don't have bad relationships??

It's like the fat fuck at the gym critiquing an olympic athletes training program.

[–]cmiovino9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a truly inspiring story.

[–]rp-disciple7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amusing that ppl keep pushing he's being RP & the guy is clueless what it is or even means. From his history, it seems like it was a natural progression.

Now it's been explained & mentioned so much I think he can't help but examine this more

[–]Shade_Raven6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like we might have new redpillers incoming

[–]Poppenhoffer7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why doesn't anyone in the comments crying about how he's abusing her realize that he's just doing the exact same shit she did to him before he stopped giving a shit?

[–]1Dev_on14 points15 points  (18 children) | Copy

I went through something similar with my husband. After years of being rejected by him I learned to stop caring. I ignored him and developed my own interests and hobbies. I started caring more for my appearance- not that I ever let it lag much, but I did make a renewed effort. It took a long time but out of the blue he suddenly couldn't leave me alone and was begging for sex.

The sad thing is, by that point the rejection had poisoned my attraction for him so I couldn't respond in turn (though I consent when he asks, but I no longer initiate. Ever.). You're lucky you're still attracted to your wife after so many years of her abusive attitude.

They say men chase what runs but maybe women do too.

something to think about

[–]nessfalco7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

The sad part is that probably all he wanted was for her to do that in the first place. If he didn't, she would be worse off, yet she resents him for it.

I had an ex that resented me for giving her shit when she didn't work out-- she always complained about how she looked, about 15-20 lbs over where she should have been. Guess what the first thing she tried to do after we broke up was?

[–]lewd_crude_dude1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I never understood this, women who complain about their weight but don't do anything about it. Even if you mention,

"Hey would you like to run with me today?" She replies with, " So you DO think I fat?"

[–]newls5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

When a woman says something she isn't conveying information. She's expressing her emotional state at that time. That's why you don't take what they say too seriously. Just smirk and act as if your seven year old daughter said the same thing.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Of course they do. Both males and females are hard wired to think "Who runs away from you probably has a higher SMV than you".

[–]1Dev_on0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I remember that simpsons scene where lisa took the ball from maggie

[–]1Dev_on14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy

Also... I swear to god I am going to have to subscribe to most of these subs, just to downvote every idiot in here who keeps talking TRP there.

Seriously, fuck you guys, you're why I can't post in a sub without some idiot throwing your bullshit in my face

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Whatever lol. I posted a guideline in dead bedrooms to kill a dead bedroom and it had no rp language. No one have it credit but I didn't expect them to

[–]1Dev_on3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I know. you can tell who is actually a man, they talk about the same thing, but don't use AWALT...

I PMed the one guy telling him to cut that shit out, he says he doesn't really even go to this sub, don't even know what to do with that information

[–]datasstoofat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The manosphere did not invent the phrase.

[–]1Dev_on-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

regardless, they have copyright over it.

do we really need to have a discussion on this? Stop posting TRP lingo in femenine friendly subs, it's not that hard

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[–]1Dev_on0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Good, then people can stop throwing it out to everyone and expecting praise.

[–]PolishedIvory2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I got that for you, many people in TRP are women haters or manipulators.

This is because accepting a new reality is difficult. Our first reaction is to go "WTF?!? This is so effed up, I hate women for playing these games!"

Then, we learn what the games are and how to play along, and life gets much easier for both sexes.

[–]americanmook0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I only dislike of women cause they're boring. I'm trying to change this but I can't. I been trying to learn to fake laugh for years and I still can't.

[–]1Dev_on-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm sure you'll find a good breadth of sociopaths and bitter losers any sub you go to.

Until they start getting tenured positions and start teaching the next generation, I'll treat them as the malcontents that they are.

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[–]1Dev_on0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wish I could remember where I found some research on the topic... I am not the best at reading, especially when you get into Delta numbers and the like... but was something akin to the research showing that showing someone contrary facts tends to elicit the oppositte of the inteded response.

Abstract talked about how people assume their choices are rational, and ideal... Anything that goes against that they assume is people making irrational choices.

Basically... ego. I must be right, I'm an enlightened person, what he said is different than what I said, he must be wrong.

Like I ways say, people would rather be correct, than be happy

[–]DoctorBlaine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

After years of being rejected by him I learned to stop caring.

I think the takeaway here (at least how I view it) is that this man started off redpilling, and then stopped giving a fuck. She may have been begging him for sex and he continuously rejected her, even though she might have been willing to fuck him good and suck his toes after. This here (of course assuming dread game initially worked yet he kept resisting) could be the difference between dread game or simply him losing attraction to her, in which case it is natural that she had reciprocated those feelings.

[–]postupandchill6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol just got done reading the comments from the original thread... funny, funny stuff. I love it when people get all butthurt about trp on those threads... it only ends up sending more people here. They investigate and some of them wake up. many are called, few are chosen.

[–]Billybob2511210 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

The Alpha is born. Nothing can stop him now.

This statement is so accurate it actually gave me chills. Once you get a taste of what it actually means to be a man you become addicted. You struggle and you persevere, and if you don't you struggle harder. Fuck giving up.

The spark you light today will become a forest fire tomorrow and nothing will stop it because nothing can. The alpha train has no breaks.

[–]newls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's that saying about breakups making bodybuilders. The point of it is that men are extremely powerful and dangerous (in an awesome way) when we put our minds to things. When some selfish bitch dumps a guy, it can awaken a deadly focus inside him that will help him achieve great and glorious things.

What terrifies most people about TRP is that they know how effective and powerful men are. We actually get shit done. We're self-motivated and potent. We don't give a shit about what other people think. We do what we want to do.

Women depend on each other and follow the crowd's overall direction. Watch a video of a shoal of fish or look up in the sky at a fleet of birds - they just follow the same evolutionary behaviour programmed into them.

[–]Kings23876 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Peering into the dead bedrooms thread only reinforces my view that dead bedrooms is meant to be a 'poor me' circle jerk of misery. Not about fixing problems.

The reaction to TRP success is hilarious. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

[–]J_Baines 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

It's amusing that people get so worked up about the monsters that haunt TRP, when the message here is essentially this:

Behave like a man, and most women in your life will behave like women. If they don't (and you are SURE it's not your own weak frame causing it), get her/them out of your life.

[–]donnatellame -2 points-2 points [recovered] | Copy

So... how does a man behave? How does a woman behave?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men: The Way of the Superior Man

Women: Fascinating Womanhood

[–]TheAloofCat5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have to disagree with the fact that is rare that people unplug themselves without aid. If that were the case, I don't think this reddit nor the PUA community would exist.

Some men stay plugged all their lives, others just get fed up with the brainwashing shit like this man, give the world the finger and after some time, those that have improved their SMV start seeing changes.

[–]1wakethfkupneo[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have to disagree with the fact that is rare that people unplug themselves without aid. If that were the case, I don't think this reddit nor the PUA community would exist.

My point was that he reached the rock bottom -> said "fucked this shit" -> and picked the perfect tool (heavy iron) to solve his problem, completely on his own, not because someone told him to.

What majority of us do: have a problem -> try to solve it conventional way -> start googling for some answers -> eventually stumble upon "red pill" -> decide to give it a try "let's hope these guys know what they're talking about".

[–]TheAloofCat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True enough, still I think TRP and the PUA world wouldn't exist without the internet. It's one thing when a dude says "AWALT, you have to be an asshole for girls to respect you". But when every guy you know can count with the fingers of one hand (and still leave many out) the number of women who are not like that, dudes begin to question their dogmas.

I don't know if this is guy is truly RedPill, he definitely acts like one. Like many who stumbled out of frustration upon this. He might go back to beta, who knows.

Nevertheless this dude is a motherfucking hero.

[–]cariboo_j3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

If my wife made me feel so shitty I was considering suicide, I'd probably just nuke the relationship.

Yeah you could improve yourself and jump through hoops to get her to respect you again, but who's got time for people that ignore you and treat you like shit?

After seeing the ugliness of her character it's almost better to be like "welp fuck it". If she treats him that poorly once (even though he was lacking in certain areas), that just shows the shallowness of her feelings and supposed care for him.

I suppose it's a success story in that he's getting laid again, but it also reveals some ugly truths about how many shits she gives about his happiness (hint: zero. It's all about how he makes her feel.) Not to mention her level of self awareness.

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[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

From the comments:

To all those who can't wrap their minds around this: this is called no longer being taken for granted or a chump.

Though I assume the guy who wrote this is redpill-aware or at least came to RP-compatible conclusions, here's what I wrote about dread to a bluepiller (card-carrying sort):

The problem here is also one of semantics - "dread" sounds more catchy, but that way it's prone to be equated with terror, threats and blackmail, especially in here (though admittedly inside the redpill community it's also predominantly used as such).

To illustrate the fundamental function of dread, let's simply put it on its head: The absence of "dread" is "taking your SO for granted". And this is to be taken literally - it doesn't just mean "relying on your SO" or "trusting your SO" (which are positive things and in an ideal relationship should both be a given and justified). Someone who takes his partner for granted, who can't imagine him/her actually leaving or just asserting him/herself, who stops appreciating the efforts the partner makes (because they're perceived to be a given), who doesn't appreciate the fact that his or her efforts are enabling one to live life as it is (and can concentrate on the instances where the partner is inconveniencing him instead) - that is a person who doesn't feel dread. It may work out, but usually it only fosters complacency and, in the long run, resentment because the lack of appreciation prevents one from seeing the positive things (and believe me, I've seen it turn out exactly like that all too often to think it's just a coincidence or just extraordinarily shitty people who treat their partners like that).

Dread in that regard is simply the realization that your partner not being present is a real possibility and that your life would be worse without him or her (whether that feeling is justified or not); but it can also work in a different function; and it certainly doesn't necessarily entail the nuclear option of the "do that or else"-approach, but can also work at levels that are lower - a lot lower.

[–]DalekJay3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It would be better if people didn't mention TRP in the comments, let it flow normally, or else would sound like a fake story that circle jerk made up selling as true.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

a lot of people mentioning it are not red pillers, but are people trying to shame him for being alpha and equating the two together.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is the only thing I want to comment on.

I might respect Red Pill "philosophy" even a little bit if the name wasn't taken from a shitty movie

How the fuck is The Matrix a shitty movie?

[–]Triglycerine5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sequels were so shit they retroactively ruined the whole series?

what seque--


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're right, but the term comes from the first movie.

[–]Bandikoto2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There was only one Matrix movie.

[–]Triglycerine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True. On a completely off-topic note, it's funny how little happened in the last two. We meet the architect, the machine god and see Zion almost-fall. Aside from that it seems to be mostly petty infighting and running away.

[–]boredguy931 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

the matrix is top.

its a case of sequels making the first look bad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

really? i mean the sequels weren't good, but i wouldn;t really say they ruined the original, thats like saying the prequels ruined star wars.

[–]1iluminatiNYC3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Personally, I wouldn't have fucked the bitch with my own worse enemy's dick after that libido lowering drug BS. That's flat out abusive. Still, he got the results he wanted. Apparently his wife needed a strong pimp hand to keep the mojo going. Good work.

The one thing I'd say is that focusing on your hobbies is always a good thing, depression or not. You need to have something to build off of, and hobbies are a good one (working out being a given of course).

[–]foldpak1112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

ibido lowering? Shit I'd send him to a Whorehouse with 2000mg of horny goat weed.

[–]Vay93 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

This sounds like how American Beauty should have ended if Kevin Spacey didn't get shot.

[–]SwissPablo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The wife knows that if she finds him attractive, other women will. She also knows that he could leave any time he chooses when he's not getting what he wants. That tension is what makes the magic happen.

[–]StarDestinyGuy3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why the heck are you guys flooding that topic with RP terminology? Stop.

[–]johnchapel2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This. Seriously. The concepts in redpill are pretty solid but a lot of you are faggots drenching yourself in redpill culture, never out there getting laid.

Seriously. stop.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]NakedAndBehindYou3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

About three months in to my new lifestyle. My wife stopped me at the door while I was leaving and said she wanted to talk. I said "I don't want to talk to you. You know what I want." and I left for the gym.

This is the most redpill fucking thing I've ever read.

[–]teradactyl22 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've noticed a common theme in all of these stories. None of the success stories involve the woman "coming to her senses" and initiating sex again. It ALWAYS begins with the man making a positive change in himself. It's never about a man paying more attention to his wife.

Maybe, subconsciously, this is the reason RP is so vehemently hated by BPers in subs like /r/DeadBedrooms . They absolutely hate thinking that there is something wrong with themselves that's causing their absence of a sex life. They believe they are entitled to sex being just the way they are. They should get it for free without working for it. It's a male hamstering where they self-inflate their SMV.

They see TRP as a PUA trick, where "just learning one pickup line will get you laid". They hate it because their entire dating life is just manipulative tricks to try to get a girl to sleep with them. They're not upfront about their sexuality and they KNOW it doesn't work. They see TRP as an extension of this bullshit. If they accept TRP as having truth to it, it means they must accept that they are not sexually attractive and something is wrong with them.

[–]1wakethfkupneo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So true, I wish I could upvote this more times than once.

[–]redpillersinparis3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, this guy is legit, go read his threads from two years ago:


She withheld affection again, which made me depressed and angry. I solved it by having some Rye whiskey and watching an Avengers cartoon. I didn't talk to her, and I didn't text anyone else.


When I try to kiss my wife, beyond head-colliding pecks, she just goes floppy, refuses to support her own weight and turns her head away. It is the most depressing, frustrating, terrible thing on earth.

offmychest venting about his wife:

You don't go to school, you don't have a job, you don't even do housework anymore. I work anywhere between 40 and 60 hours in a high stress job to support us, and you won't even do things like schedule a doctors appointment for me

You don't respect me, even a little bit. In public, you are demeaning, degrading, insulting and you hit me sometimes IN FUCKING PUBLIC.

All this was two years ago.. he has been suffering like this for 2 years. I'm generally quite skeptic about this whole RP stuff, but this guy is definitely legit

[–]Hedphelym15 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

God dam this really makes me proud. Starting to think of this forum as a positive place now.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

In the words of Bill Burr, "she wants a guy that's fuckable to other women."

[–]through_a_ways2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's really the main thing most women are after, and I think it has to do with the fact that women haven't evolved a "functional" sex drive in the way that men have (simply because there was no reason for them to)

I've noticed that when I hang out with guys, I tend to favor the types of guys that women would probably be more likely to have sex with.

In other words, when my inherent sex drive is a non-factor, my "default" drive is similar to a woman's "sex" drive. Women's inherent sex drive is usually a non-factor, so it is essentially replaced by this.

[–]Triglycerine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Heh, they seem to be waking up.

Unfortunately no not so far we are still togather but appart of that nothing change. I did however go with idea of punishing behaviour from her. I do not text her first and at day time I am okay with her but no cuddles, kisses and that shit. Apears to be working slowly becuase when I'm at work she sends me at least few text. She is still "tired" at night time but I can see that this change in behaviour is bothering her and she doesn't know how to tackle it.

/r/DeadBedrooms seems generally to be a very excellent proving ground for RP theory, yea.

Thanks for bringing this to the class's attention.

[–]denart42 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Where can I read more about operant conditioning? I know what it is but how do you apply it in RP terms

[–]possumsquirrel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

my favorite part after reading through the comments is how the negative responses accuse him of misogyny, chauvinism, sexism, and abuse. his actions can be boiled down to two basic elements: self improvement and barter/compromise. he became the man he always wanted to be, had hobbies, became respectable and admired by his peers. at the same time he wasn't getting what he wanted out of an exchange so he didn't deliver what the other party wanted. after so long the other party began to deliver more and more on the expectations placed on them by the agreement and he began to reintroduce goods and services expected of him. you cannot get any closer to true compromise than that and aren't bluepillers always crying about compromise being so important in relationships?

[–]Drenmar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hats off to that mod, even though he's plugged in (judging from his comments) he's reasonable enough not to give in to the unwarranted reports.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Libido lowering drug…

I would probably get a court order to take a testosterone lowering drug after I punch that doctor in the face for making a suggestion like that. Fuck.

It's kind of ironic that the utter disrespect the doctor shows the man in this scenario is probably adding to the crumbling of their marriage.

[–]MindsetRoulette12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

I am morally apposed to a lot of the Red Pill mentality, but what bothers me the most is how successful it can be. So I'm over here unable and unwilling to charge my moral outlook, knowing first hand that those morals are the wall preventing me from reaching the relationship goals I truely wanted.

[–]TW_RPAwake21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im only upvoting to keep this comment from collapsing.

Red Pill truths are amoral. How you choose to APPLY them will filter through your lens of morality. In this sub we tend to refrain from moral judgments about how people choose to live their lives with one exception - NO ONE will tolerate real abuse. You will not find any up-voted comment encouraging violence toward women - self defense not withstanding.

These are truths about our primal nature. Men want to "pollenate" women want to reproduce with the best genetics. Women also want to ensure that they and their offspring have the highest chance of success, which means attaching themselves to the best resource.

There is nothing moral or immoral about that statement; it simply IS. We all exhibit primal traits - from hypnotically staring into campfires to children competing with each other. When you can accept that reproduction & relationships are primal too, this fits together like a puzzle.

[–]foldpak1115 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only thing you're morally apposed to is reality.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I am only as moral as the system allows"

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's moral to believe this is what they like and refuse to offer it to them?

[–]MindsetRoulette5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh I'm not saying I'm moral right, in fact I consider it a deep seeded flaw. Just a deep seeded hangup I haven't been able to shake. Regardless of how much my So enjoys or wants it, there are certain behaviors/mentalities I feel morally apposed to. Most likely an over reaction to too much abusive men and I walled off anything I felt was too close in that direction. Not saying Red Pill is abusive at all, just my youthful reaction.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was fucking beautiful.

[–]rojo-pildora1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wasn't expecting to see so many upvotes for redpill comments. Generally we are hated. Wonder if there is a shift coming.

[–]Totsean0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh it's coming alright, you will see a strong offensive by SJW. And thanks to FatpeopleHate and other sub-reddits, it's actually going to be hell for them. They're getting corned and now TRP actually seems a lot decent subs compared to others.

Plus it works. It fucking works.

[–]Totsean1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I actually go to DB and read their posts and it reinforces TRP over and over again. Keeps me motivated, and FPH helps as well to get my butt moving. I just finished leg workout, ate and then heading to bed.

Worth it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even though the guy never heard of TRP--- I say mods here endorse him.

We can learn from a guy like that

[–]Arbitrage841 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What a great post. Thank you for sharing.

[–]Hokuto199x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rare for someone from DB to post a success story. Good for him.

[–]Stephen_Reeves1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

From the people who brought you hormonal gender transition therapy for prepubescent teens comes the new "libido lowering drug" for husbands who want to sleep with their wives. 100% normal; nothing to see here.

[–]tastygorilla1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is beautiful. Especially as a newcomer, it convinces me that this way of being is completely inherent to men, only being accessible through hard work and dedication.

It's so great to see these stories, especially when examining my life and my former blue pill world. Men are wrapped up in the delusion of happiness being attained through acceptance of women, however they behave, and to submit and accommodate these desires. Shit you see it everywhere today.

However, once your shit gets serious and really hits the fan you crash and burn, or you see that you had what it took to succeed, and you apply it, which makes it all the more valuable to your personal growth. Cheers man, great post. And may this man continue on his path of happiness.

[–]frankgold1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If I could give this post 1000 up votes, I would... :D

[–]bama79rolltide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


You said: The Alpha is born. Nothing can stop him now.

Fucking made me laugh. Truth and hilarious!

[–]ChairBorneMGTOW1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My question is why the fuck did he take her back? She sounds like a fucking useless slug. After his self improvement had progressed a while and she wanted him again, he should have dropped her like a turd in an outhose and gone and found something hotter.

[–]AK27ABROAD1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The point isn't the ignoring. Ignoring isn't what's getting him laid. Like he said, he's rewarding her with tons of attention except for on the few days they don't fuck. I question whether she's even made the correlation, consciously or subconsciously.

Depression and the wussy blah blah blah attitude that comes with it is a complete boner-killer for the ladies. and the gentlemen, as it turns out (look through my old posts, I think my first was about when my then-girl got depressed).

Feel good about yourself, people will want to fuck you. Maybe the ignoring is 20%- the feeling GOOD ABOUT HIMSELF was the 80% (and this 80% pays other dividends- health-wise etc., whereas the ignoring may later come with a price tag.)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im so glad this sub exists, really opening my mind makes me think there is hope out there. I'd like to shout out to everyone at this sub for the no bullshit attitude and ideas being discussed, this is probably the one place on the internet which isn't completely full of shit

[–]1CowardlyPetrov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The red pill is not bitter or painful. What is bitter and painful is CHANGE. Change is always painful, whether for good or bad. But once the change is over you can actually enjoy the new situation for what it is.

[–]redpillersinparis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seriously though, how can you fuck for four hours?

[–]thederpist6661 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This stuff really hits home with me. It reminds me of everything that is wrong with modern day psychiatry and brings me back to being medicated in school for ADD and some disorders that I was diagnosed with that as a teenager that I no longer fit the diagnosis for. The fact that they wanted to give him a libido lowering drug is fucking insane. Drugs like that are usually saved for pedophiles in prison who are trying to change their lives that are trying to change end their sex drive so they can focus on forgiveness and self improvement. Now medications are so often used to make people fit a style of life that does not interest them or that nature did not intend. Sexuality is about as basic as food in human nature and they were trying to turn it off because it was interfering with their modern idea of what humans are "supposed" to do. I'm glad this guy had the balls to stand up for himself and change his life. I never have seen medications as a definitive solution that you can do until you're an old man and see the same effects. When you come off the drugs you will realize that your problems were put on hold and are back. Anyways tldr; if you don't fit society, people try to forcibly change you and fuck that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am a female. I thought this was great. Fuck you guys aren't so bad.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am a female.

No one cares.

Tits or GTFO.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I asked this on the thread but am interested in your opinion:

Is his wife happier now than she was before?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i don;t see why she wouldn't be. she has the alpha she wants

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[–]through_a_ways2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are like dog shit...the older they are, the easier they are to pick up

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[–]_fappycamper1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Reads like TRP porn. Hell of a story if it's true.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

with his post history it seems very likely to be true.

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah, personally i dont believe. it wreaks of made up RP fantasy.

but that's just me, downvote away.

[–]Vietnom2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP = How going to the gym will solve all your problems.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know what, women want to be treated like women and men want to be treated like men or at least we do. It is great that this guy discovered his sense of respect and now his wife will flock to him because of the increase in SMV and the dreadgame which he unknowingly pulled. And now he has command of his wife and more importantly his own life again.

Women want men, hell even feminists who want masculine women are just hiding the fact that they really want a man but don't want to admit it. This guy now needs to step it up and go even crazier with his wife. His wife won't be entertained for long and he has to get creative with how he establishes dominance.

[–]Shigglyboo1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sounds too text book to be true imo. I just don't buy the story "my wife wasn't putting out, so I start lifting every day, being a jerk, and boom, problem solved". I know that this can work, and it does, but typically there's a lot more at play than simply lifting and ignoring a woman, especially a wife. There's entire books on how to properly apply the alpha vs. beta methodology, and this reads like a first two pages of one of their chapters.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

His history shows that he made his first couple of posts before TRP was even a sub.

[–]Shigglyboo-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

But I'm guessing he read some Anthol Kay or other such book. The "be alpha and chicks will do your bidding" idea has been around. I like to think that TRP isn't so much about manipulation, or literally being a dick to get your way as much as it is shifting your priorities and getting away from seeking approval from others as your means of feeling valuable. It's about taking pride in yourself and making yourself a man of value from within vs. without.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see no such enlightenment in his posts. I think that he just hit the lowest level of hell, did the one thing that made him feel better, and just went with that.

[–]privated1ck1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why I read TRP. there's a lot of shit to be ignored here, but then there's this.

[–]hk44440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know if it's just me, or if this is even a healthy attitude to have, but would anyone else have been too bitter to reconcile even after they patched things up? Like, he says he loves her now, but personally I wouldn't have been able to forgive/forget the months or how ever long it was of her not meeting his needs, hopefully I'm never put in a situation like that

[–]analrapeage0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Look, if you want to see the greatest example of this ever put on celluloid, watch American Beauty. Lester is theRedPill.

[–]johnchapel-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

No he's not. He's having a midlife crisis and it was clearly an illustration about how a man regresses into a teenager when he's absolutetly fed up with his life.

Jesus, not everything in the entire world exists in the context of YES REDPILL or NO REDPILL. When you eat a fucking hamburger, do you question if eating is redpill?

[–]analrapeage1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

you clearly missed the point of the film. Lester lives with a wife who doesn't respect him as a man or a person. She doesn't feel sexual attraction for him, and indeed he doesn't feel good about himself. He has an epiphany that he needs to start living life on his terms--WHICH IS AS FUCKING REDPILL AS IT GETS--and starts taking better care of himself (aka lifting, essential), executing dread game, and doing whatever he wants.

This is the essence of this sub, and it's a pity it went over your head.

[–]johnchapel-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dunstin checks in was also as redpill as it gets.


[–]ucfgavin-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't believe he went to the therapist for a year...fuck that guy!

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