Looking through RP lens, story reads almost like a fairy tale.
The long hard road, out of hell
My life was shit. I frequently dreamed of suicide. My biggest problem was my sexless marriage. I logged in to this old account this morning to find a dozen messages asking me if I had killed myself (How would I even answer?) or if I had divorced my wife yet. Neither of those things happened. Something much better happened.
Now quickly, imagine yourself going to r/relationships or similar mainstream sub. What do you think would be #1 advice?
Shortly after I made those posts, my wife and I started seeing a marriage counselor. Everyone in the world told me counseling was the right thing to do.
Of course! Counseling!! Aaaaand ... did it work?
The counselor's advice amounted to something like "So you're horribly depressed because you have needs which aren't being met. Have you considered not having needs?". At one point he floated the idea of trying to get me a libido lowering drug. He was 100% on my wife's side of everything.
Libido lowering drug!? /SMH
After one year of brainwashing he finally gives them both 'a finger' ...
... I told him to fuck off. I told him that his services were worthless and that I would not be returning.
... completely withdraws attention from his wife and starts focusing on himself:
I got back into old hobbies I had been neglecting during my depression, started spending 3 or 4 hours a day at the gym doing heavy compound lifts fueled by repressed anger, and running until I made myself puke.
For 3 months he got no reaction, but at that point he genuinely DGAF anymore. But something else was starting to happen: other women suddenly checking him out and people at gym complimenting his progress. The mark of true success: persistence.
Seasoned RPers already know what you get when you cross Dread and SMV increase:
The next day as I was leaving, she stopped me and said pretty much nothing before initiating sex. That day I missed the gym because we fucked for four hours.
The Alpha is born. Nothing can stop him now.
Starting the next day, I'd text her commands from work. Stuff like "Be naked when I get home." or "Wear the red one. Make sure a lot of lube is easily available." and she would follow them. ... For about a month after, I still spent no effort on her needs.
I can already imagine Roissy linking his skittles man story.
Every single day of that month. Sex happened whenever I wanted it, for as long as I wanted it, however I wanted it. No resistance. No complaints.
Surprise, surprise.
And then he amps it up a notch (true mastery way, not asshole way) ...
I started rewarding her for putting out. I started taking her on dates again, and playing card games with her again. I'd bring her little gifts again. If she didn't put out on a given day, for any reason, I'd completely deny her any of my attention or energy.
BRAVO SIR! Operant conditioning 101: reward good behavior, punish bad. He finally Gets It.
This change in our relationship has lasted 9 months now. She's very nice to me now, gets naked whenever I want, and is super affectionate in public. I love her again, and now I feel like she loves me too. My depression is over!
And they say Red Pill is bitter. Yes, immediately after you swallow it, but the more you digest it the sweeter it gets. The comment section turned into a discussion about The Red Pill.
What's really interesting in this story, other than being yet another proof of RP concepts, is that it's very rare that someone unplugs himself without external (RP subreddits, manosphere blogs) aid, without metaphorical Morpheus. But this guy did it.
tl;dr (his own words): Ignored my wife. Worked on myself. That fixed my marriage.
Best part of that thread is where a sub mod chimes in that he's had a tonne of reports that the OP is "advocating abuse". Sense prevails and he keeps it open for discussion.
That mod's responses on the thread are great. People asre going 'wahh muh safe space' 'omg red pill so evil' and the guy just tells them no, shut up. I will remove things breaking the rules, I will mod posts going overboard, but I won't remove things just because you dislike them. He even states he dislikes the post himself, but still won't remove the post.
Kudos to that guy, he did well.
it's funny how beta people now, when seeing a relationship that works in black & white, get mad/sad about the dynamics. Before she was miserable, he was miserable. Now they are having sex, she's affectionate, happier, he's way happier. Yet they still reinforce the betabitch behavior in their head "WAHH ITS NOT HEALTHY". How the fuck is it not healthy? What's more all-around satisfying? She desires him, he desires her. They are affectionate and enjoy doing things together now. What is more all-around satisfying than that?
That's why these idiots will never be happy, they can't handle reality and still live in a dream world where there's a perfect relationship where everyone is happy and does whatever they want 100% of the time
It's the same logic as the fat people trying to say obesity is healthy. They don't want to admit to themselves that what they're doing is wrong and needs to change. In the same way most of DB is there to circlejerk, not admit they're doing something wrong and realise they need to make an actual effort to fix it. So they hate people like this OP because they fly in the face of that and show that changing your own behaviour can fix your problems, just like how "health at every size" pricks hate diets.
I often think that the best part about The Red Pill is that it just simply leads to better outcomes. Everyone is happy. I'm happier, my girlfriend is happier with me, people respect me, nobody is crying anywhere about anything in my life. Everyone is better.
Wtf is there to dislike about it? Dude is just relating his experience. Don't ever judge the crazy bitch who kicks OP when he's down but only rewards him when he's an asshole. Judge the dude who turn his life around against all odds!
Because he took action and fixed his life, both are antithetical to deadbedrooms, a sub dedicated to whining and depression.
Didn't you know? Taking control of your life, increasing your SMV, and changing your actions in general are manipulative!!!!!!! Just be yourself! /s
Hahahhaha what the actual fuck. Do people really say this?
For your own health and future sanity this question will not be anwsered.
No, but that is the underlying psychology.
Putting in the hard work is oppressive. Only assholes work hard to get their lives on track. Fuck these guys who improve themselves and set the bar higher for me. I just want to sit here behind my pc crying about my non-existent sexlife and claiming the moral highground because I am NICE!
The counselor in the post refused to take his side on anything.
And didn't talk about it or get counselling about it.
If you didn't get counselling, it isn't really fixed.
Ya, it's SOP there that counseling is the answer.
I had a buddy to go counseling and, at that point, it's already over.
Go read it again. He did go to counselling. It didn't work. He tried something else. That worked.
The blindness these people show used to astonish me. But now I get it. And I use that knowledge to make me better.
I think it's about rewarding her for putting out and punishing her for not. But that's like a minor detail in the whole thing and isn't even the point of the story.
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Miserable people are like crabs in a bucket. They would rather see others just as miserable as themselves and will rationalize all kinds of excuses to do so. People are ego invested in their own way of life so the fact that the guy employed TRP principles and his marriage, wife and life are in a better place....
It must be something else.
Hey, if he dislikes it, that's on him, I'm not going to harp on him for disagreeing with something. It's his dislike for the post but his refusal to remove it that impresses me.
I'm more amazed that someone said the redpill is dumb because its name is taken from a shit movie. Last I checked the matrix was studied in college classes and was one of the top rated movies of all time.
Matrix actually comes from the Latin "mater" meaning mother, and the later middle English for "womb". The movie title is aptly named because the plugged-in are effectively incubated in the generated world - with the unusual side meaning from mathematics : a rank 2 tensor / linear operator / grid of numbers. It's conveniently an excellent metaphor for the manosphere too because of the female connotations - and of course the RedPill/BluePill scene. That whole film is laced with brilliant metaphors.
I wish it was laced with a logical fucking reason for why the machines kept the humans alive at all when they could get all the fucking electricity they want from nuclear and/or renewable sources while the amount of electricity you can generate from humans is insignificant plus you have to feed them house them and dispose of their shit and build a damn matrix and run the risk of some asshat breaking out and destroying it.
The story was originally that humans were kept alive to serve as memory and processing network nodes but they changed it because they thought that people are too stupid to understand a concept that simple.
There was actually a very good explanation for this.
Initially it was scripted such that humans were kept alive by the robots so that their brains could be used as computers. This was marginally forward thinking for 2001, when we didnt have Machine Learning and Big Data as household terms. The public rarely thought of brains as types of computers.
But the producers were worried the concept was too difficult for audiences to grasp. And Duracell offered them a fat sum of money for a product placement. So they instead did the scene with morpheus holding a Duracell battery and telling Neo that humans were just for energy.
Yeah, you had to suspend almost all disbelief. I guess you could say the machines used some kind of randomized creativity to get to that point and reached a local optimum so were unable to change their minds - as often happens with artificial intelligence - convinced bioelectric was the best option. The other argument you could make was that they were somehow undetectably leveraging the computational power of the human minds as well, and they hadn't worked out how to grow brains in a vat without the whole body. It was still a good film, but the concept deserves revisiting with less emphasis on the action.
Wasn't it for computing power or something?
That "asshat" never actually broke out of the matrix. He is still in it because of his powers are still usable in the "real world." The matrix actually created Neo to fight off a virus and that whole "wake up" thing was an "outside" programmed world for those special humans who were incompatible with the matrix. The whole movie is basically a personification of program code.
The film is a great study in several areas of philosophy - what is real/human perception, what is control, what are the limits of the human mind? There's religious elements too, if you see Neo as a Christ figure. Hell, the Matrix invented a number of film making techniques!
Say what you want about the red pill, but never badmouth The Matrix! :P
They dislike it because he treats his wife like a sex servant. The prevalent mindset (apart from "go away with your TRP crap") is "there has to be another way!"
It's actually all about respect..
Fucking white knights. Even when it's obvious that someone is doing well because they bettered themselves and are doing life their own way, they'll find a way to hamster how mean the dude was. Anything that's different than what they would do and yet is successful, is still wrong in their eyes. So dumb.
They are too afraid to try anything different because "it's not being who they are". Nah bitch you being a nice dude expecting shit for being nice is you not being yourself.
White knights will never accept a man doing well if it's different than their ideals. Only if it was a nice dude making it to the top will they accept it.
But that doesn't happen because nice dudes are like feminists. Complain about life not going their way, and just sitting back expecting all the work to be done for them.
Hilarious. It's fucking called "dead bedrooms." It's a sub about trying to resurrect the sex life of married couples. That's exactly what this guy did. He is happier, his wife is happier, and he's on a path of general self-improvement which is great. One can only assume that she'll feel a need to work on herself too, as a result of the dread.
This one post could probably solve all of the dead bedroom problems on the internet.
But they complain.
I laughed out loud when I read that. The butthurt from feminists and white knights whenever a RP concept achieves results is almost palpable.
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I see that here sometimes. However, in this case, we're talking about a guy's wife. He realized that since she wasn't responding to him as he liked that he would take it upon himself to change, instead of going 'round and 'round with blaming her or engaging in useless therapy that pretty much only sides with the woman. The only "mental issue" at work here is the woman following her natural biology once the man follows his. We've shown this to be a pretty consistent phenomenon here.
No, the best part is he DID try the therapy, it didn't work, THEN he moved on
You have witnessed the hamster hard at work creating logic where there is none to begin with.
Bluepill brigade got a massive butthurt. The real beauty of this story is that guy is 100% genuine:
I too can pretend on the internet that I have no clue about TRP.
However, that guy has a (short) history of posting frustrated stuff regarding his dead bedroom, his suicidal thoughts and his alcoholism, then he took a 2 year-hiatus, and then he resurfaced while having his love life turned around. So unless he really played a long con, it's extremely unlikely he's pretending.
Pretend?? Last time I mentioned RP I was threatened to be DOXXED to my family and work for "bigoted views." Ironically, that was their moral high-ground.. to threaten me.
TheRedPill as a sub has only existed for 2 years and some odd months, so it's unlikely that he's did it to further advance this place.
lol, that's the great thing about concepts that work. In the end it doesn't matter how many people hate them, if they work, more and more people will start using them.
You touched on my favorite part of the story, other than confirmation of a lot of our RP philosophy.
His story just appears so goddamn TRUE and verifiable based on the long post history. It really comes through how much pain he was in and how hard he really turned it around.
why are they even talking about the red pill though? the poster of that thread doesnt even visit the red. if anything it reminds me of that movie "american beauty" with kevin spacey.
It won't stay open long if redpillers continue to flood the comments with RP terminology...
Gents, please stop. Let that thread alone, that it may remain and become a shining beacon for the poor chumps of that sub in need of real help. There are now enough hints in the comment section as to where they will find it...
I concur, there's a lot of TRP spread around.
Personally I think some of the probably non-TRP comments may be more valuable to them because they don't obviously push an agenda. Like
All these accounts have in common that we have people who, instead of wallowing in their depression, turned their lives around and ultimately separation either happened or is on the horizon - but the message that these posts broadcast is pretty clear: (a) you can make things better by working on yourself and (b) you don't need an abusive partner, heck, you actually don't want an abusive partner even when (s)he complies once you successfully dreaded him/her or managed to reignite your attraction otherwise.
I agree with you. But I also don't think it's going to stop for a very simple reason: men are waking up.
For example, I'm not sure of the exact metrics but in the last week or so we've had about a thousand new subscribers join. The mods will be better placed to give you the figures. That's no joke.
redditmetrics.com/r/TheRedPill
If I knew how to pull the stats from the site I'd do an exponential fit.
This sub has gotten just about 5k new subscribers every single month month since November 2013. Nothing is heating up, but progress is steady, if the goal is to have as many subscribers as possible. I am not sure about that.
Looks like we're probably less than two weeks away from overtaking /r/Mensrights as the premiere male-oriented sub on Reddit
Which is probably for the best. I don't fundamentally disagree with it, but the atmosphere was a bit too whiny the last time I was in there.
Hahaha. Get outa here. That's incredible! They're gonna ban us for sure - can't let the truth spread too far.
Thanks. In the last week alone (14th - 21st) we've had 1159 new subscribers
This only counts people who actually subscribe on Reddit too. The actual visitor counts for subreddits this size is way higher than the subscriber count, as in probably pushing 10 million hits a month with at least 100,000 uniques.
So a man getting what he wants in his relationship = advocating abuse now? What a load of shit!
the best part is when people mention TRP. the OP responds with "?" and people say 'its a shitlord sub that advocates doing [what OP did].
OP simply responds with "Oh. Neat."
it worked for him. and now ops thinking about looking up this sub now. boom new subscriber.
I dunno; he seems to be done already.
No, the best part is that a common suggestion in that sub is for the guys to read & apply "The Married Man Sex Life", which is essentially TRP without the 'never get married' piece. Right down to a lot of the same terminology and everything.
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.....and people are calling this emotional abuse?
wut
Technically, they are referencing the withholding of attention by the husband and calling it abuse. Women recognise it instantly because its the main item in their playbook.
"The silent treatment"
Personally as an introvert, I love it when girls try to pull this shit to spite me. Like, hey thanks for the vacation!
Could not agree more. I think one very important part of the Red Pill is playing to your strengths. There seems to be this idea that only the loud and boisterous extroverted types can pick up girls, but that's not true at all. So long as you have the confidence, silent stoicism can work just as well, sometimes even better.
Ha I was born in the briar patch, bitch!
Absolutely. My gf threw a mini-tantrum last night and walked into the bedroom, expecting me to run after her.
Hey thanks! I'll be reading on the couch!
For women, that's where the abuse started. For men, it was from the two previous posts.
The sort of people in dead bedrooms cannot concieve of this not being abuse. If it was just a normal, mundane, relatively easy fix for their problems, they would be forced to admit that they were failures, that their lack of a good relationship is their fault. They cannot do this, since it would involve admitting fault, something most people are remarkably unable to do.
Combine that with the common misconceptions about TRP, and you've got an easy exit for the hamster to run for.
Haha exactly. You should look at my comment history. Some guy says that sub is a redpill echo chamber. I said maybe because it works. His response. "I'm only in this sub because my wife admitted her intimacy problems are 99% her *fault."
Yeah the few times I've been there I can't help but say things about trp or manliness.
so true. most dead bedrooms are CAUSED by the party wanting sex, its their unattractiveness that is to blame.
they feel entitled to intimacy--they want the disney soul mate providing unconditional love.
its not reality, its the bluepill
Any time anyone is putting out positivity, happiness, strength, improvement, and there are people reacting negatively to that positivity; you know those people are dirt. Misery loves company, and they are miserable, so anyone achieving happiness must be evil. Because if they're not evil, then the dirt people must be, and their ego (solipsism) would never allow that.
Miserable people sulk when they witness happiness. Because happy people remind them of their own misery and wretchedness.
It's not emotional abuse if both parties are getting what they want from the relationship. It's so elegant!
Ha some of the comments on there are truly incredible. People are having a happy, sexual relationship. Woman has the man she wanted, man has the woman he wanted, and people are calling it abuse. Amazing.
I've noticed a strange double standard among a lot of redditors.
Woman withholds sex from her husband, making him feel unloved and unwanted? Not abuse.
Guy responds to lack of sex by withholding attention and support from his wife? OMG EMOTIONAL ABUSE!
You are just an example of rape culture with your sex entitlement. Rape happens because people like you believes a women can be pressured into sex, but that's rape. Did I mentioned rape? Rape.
YOU ARE TRIGGERING ME SHITLORD.
You sir, are one goddam funny son of a bitch...Can I buy you a beer?
Sure, send me some bitcoins and I'll have one on you.
Aaah the old bitcoin for a beer rape.
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Hey thanks for the beer man! Tastes a bit like rape though..
not sure if I have any remaining in this account and whether i remember the bot syntax
+/u/changetip all verify
You have donated $300 in bitcoins
haha.
I'm sorry, you have to say rape a couple more times. I'll do it for you: Rape rape rape. There we go, now it should be ok.
I didn't tell the last girl I slept with that I took a trip to K-Mart beforehand to buy some chocolate. If she had known that, she wouldn't have slept with me. That means I raped her. If you don't disclose 100% of your life's story beforehand, and there's something in there that could make her change her mind about sleeping with you, it's rape.
"IIIII was raped, when my mother called my bros sister a slut." -stupidest rape YouTube video ever
I believe you forgot the "/s"
The fact that we have to use /s is pretty sad IMO. Fuck the /s. If you can't tell when obvious sarcasm is being used you should be exiled to France and re-identified gender neutral.
Whoa. Check your rape privilege bro.
This is literally the BP mentality. Go to PPD and you will see them act like this On second thought, don't go there.
That entire sub:
RP: Do this and it will work and you will be more successful
BP: Yeah but feeeeelz
No one ever brings up stats there when arguing against a red piller.
It's almost as if we live in a gynocentric culture or something
Nuh uh! Women only get 77 cents to every dollar that a man does! And all the laws are skewed so there's no incentive for a woman to get married.
I can confirm that 77c/1$ is taught as curriculum in college classes that are happening this semester.
Also, when that same class addressed intimate partner abuse as they called it, ALL the statistics were for women. There was no statistics or information or ANYTHING about the possibility of men being abused by their wives.
The abuse that is inflicted the most on men is not the kind that sends them to the hospital. Hell, even then, we would not be encouraged to admit it.
And when I brought that point up, it took the instructor a full 5s to recognize that I was referring to the possibility of men being victims as well.
There was also no mention of women being the primary perpetrators of abuse against children. Only that it was an unfortunate thing, and X% of children experience it.
There was something along the lines of this on askwomen post yesterday titled "If you discovered your SO was much more "romantic" in previous relationships, would you care?"
Pretty much the opposite of when you see the situations of girls are bored riding the CC and find a beta and settle down. They then don't do any of the crazy(or even a simple thing like a BJ) sexual acts that they did in the past. Thinking about the relationship post that was posted on here recently about a guy finding out his wife was crazy in the sack before him but never did the stuff with him and also she lied about her sexual experience.
Pretty much the overwhelming majority said it would bother them if the guy was more romantic in a previous relationship... I would bet a big sum that most of them would have no sympathy for a guy who had a partner who was holding back on things she did with other partners.
They say men aren't entitled to sex but then can't see it the other way when they feel entitled to romantic gestures for them.
That's because modern western culture, including movies, books, and sitcoms, have all framed the commitment and romantic stuff (men's product) as "good" and the sex stuff (women's product) as not "bad" per se but not as "good".
Problem is guys buy into that too and become white knights. They're so unaware and prone to messing up shit tests that they have no idea they're literally making themselves more and more beta provider in their women's eyes.
I really think most redditors are absolutely fucked in the head and incapable of seeing things for what they are.
I REALLY want to come up with a way to take money from people like this. Legitimately, of course. But parting these fools from their money would bring me great joy.
Anita Sarkesian already did it.
She definitely knew her target audience, feminazi's and white knights, lol
She's a genius if you think about it. Even when her scam is so obvious her victims still support her. That's a very skilled con artist.
I recall reading something about mugs with "male tears" on them being sold by a men's advocacy group.
So that's an example.
Amazing observation. I commented in that thread and was told that husband was sooooo manipulative. As if he should accept a sexless life because.....femail primacy says so
Because women only care about emotional abuse. You can't deny them sex; if they really wanted dick, they could have a dozen lined up that evening.
Loss of affection and attention is something they respond to. That's why it's verboten whereas denying sex is perfectly kosher.
Because the truth of human sexual dynamics (where women are happily subservient to a strong man) threatens the power dynamic they've spend decades building (where women can extract everything they need from men without having to give anything in return).
It really just amounts to laziness.
Honestly, I doubt there is a secret evil plot here. Just men forgot how to be men, that's all.
Laziness isn't an evil plot. The achievement of maximum resources using minimum effort is the intrinsic goal of all living things.
If we could get hot bitches without working out and working hard, we'd happily live as fat, unmotivated wastrels.
Very astute. Only difference is we admit that, we don't pretend that it's NOT the case.
Men allowed women to condition men into forgetting how to be men.
You mean men forgot how to teach men how to be men.
That whole 'women should've kept men in-check,' no motherfucker, you have to be a man. What you want is your woman to be a man just like you, and have a dick while acting like a woman. Just like if your woman nags you to do something, but she also wants you to do the million dollar deal at your job, but there can only be one: take out the trash or do the million dollar deal, you will not get both.
What has happened is men forgot how to be men and women decided that they are going to have to drop the feminine role and play the masculine role. I can't even blame them.
No woman wants to get fucked by a man that acts like a bitch.
What I meant was that men allowed feminism to spiral out of control which gave women the power they needed to condition men into forgetting how to be men.
The International Communist Conspiracy is a real thing.
Feminism was NEVER the goal and feminists- like blacks, jews, the disabled and every other 'victim group' are nothing more than useful idiot. The REAL plan is a LONG MARCH through all the social institutions followed by equalitarian Nirvana, Comrade.
Break down of the traditional family unit causes this.
If these people had healthy concepts of relationships, they'd have healthy relationships. Instead, they're in /r/DeadBedrooms.
Unfortunately logic doesn't work on everyone. OP's woes are finally solved by applying Red Pill methods and everyone shits themselves. I mean wtf is the point of that subreddit then?
Only taking advice that agrees with peoples' existing worldview. And giving advice based on that same shitty worldview.
Do what you've always done, you'll get what you always got.
No wonder they're all perpetually fucked
actually they arent fucked thats tey are on r/deadbedrooms
I know this is an old post... however, I get shit if I say something about RP outside of this sub. So... that's called double-jeopardy.
It doesn't stop me of course, I'm RP, lol I'm not going to have someone tell me what to do.
So, on some of the posts that I feel it's worth responding on, I give dissenting opinion.
This is great. Honestly I doubt anyone who has a healthy sex life ever set foot in r/deadbedrooms
Um... That woman was abuse, point blank period. If they put it on the guy, they're jerks.
A lot of RP folks have bitter experiences with women, hence the disconnection. Most of the world out there have no cross with each other, some people are in perfectly happy relationships with no drama, so RP strikes them as such an odd way to view life and genders. Sure there are unhappy people who would be gladly be willing to swallow the pill, but I'm talking about a large majority who are perfectly content with life. That's why people understand RP as abuse, if that makes sense
How does he have the woman he wanted? He has the same unloving harpy he had before. Does she bring any value to his life at all besides a warm hole?
He has the woman he wanted in that she's fucking him again. One of the things that happens for men in LTRs after they swallow the pill is that they stop seeking approval and romance from their SO's and instead look for a companion and someone to have a steady sex life with--a first mate as I've seen it termed. I don't need my girlfriend around all the time, just when I want to make love to her or have a companion. My running, my job, most of my life is my own and we each do our own thing. But we share it together. So while recognizing AWALT, if what you want is a LTR that comes with certain understandings that you have to accept (like she wont be as intellectually curious as you most of the time) and that its okay because AWALT. I tjink he got exactly what he wanted. It doesnt mean shes perfect but you can.only expect so much in the first place.
No, but that needs to be enough unless you plan to go MGTOW.
Most of that is coming from the fence walking PC pussyfooter crowd. You know, the types who share animal abuse videos every day on your FB feed, yet make little to no effort toward those actual causes than "spreading awareness" via sharing crap articles with catchy headlines they didn't even read.
Most men in the generation who go on reddit (I'm guessing anywhere from teenagers to early 30s) are spineless PC "liberals" who are scared shitless of "offending" others.
GOD FORBID IF TRADITIONAL ROLES ACTUALLY WORK FOR SOME PEOPLE. FUCKING CIS GENDER OPPRESSORS.
The most beautiful thing is that OP posted the first two threads back when /r/theredpill didn't even exist. You can't say he's a RP troll or a madeup story. He really is a guy who used to post more in suicidewatch and is now happy.
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All counselling is targetted towards women, because women are the majority of customers who want to go in for counselling. The moment a therapist hints that the wife may be at fault, she will refuse to see that therapist again. I've seen it happen so often.
Sticking with something you've volunteered to subject yourself to despite it feeling bad is a predominately male trait.
Because women can never accept blame.
Everything is everybody else's fault, women are perfect. /s
A wedding planner doesn't take suggestions from the groom, either. A therapist knows who the customer and the motivation for the counselling is, and that the money is in feeding her fantasy rather than resolving the conflict.
Actually, it's because words (read: deception) are a woman's wheelhouse.
Women talk, men do.
That explains why my many counsellors hardly did anything when i explained how abusive my mother was when I was a kid. I had to take my life back like a man
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I was pretty shocked and horrified at reading about the counselor line too. Hell I could imagine myself in that situation sitting in the comfortable chair or couch and standing up saying, you want to what? medicate my natural male physiology that is healthy and is simply has desire and the need to have sex with my wife? There are mental AND physical connections between us, as a man, I need the physical contact, it's human. Then unzip, say something along the lines of: "So, perhaps you've forgotten men have these" and smack him in the face with it. - Maybe not this last part.
I thought most decent couples counselors were actually there to help both people, although most will focus on the woman, be it that she is the one who really wanted to go, or that she may have underlying issues. It almost doesn't seem real that a counselor would suggest DRUGS to lower one's libido. Guys have more testosterone, thus will usually have a high libido/sex drive as long as they are healthy and active.
Women who have their own hormones out of whack, or something chemically/physically out of balance should always be checked first. Even that though as we all know here isn't the simple solution. If you don't create the tingles then the stream will be dry. But again something they don't even know about inside of them could prevent this, which is a real shame because they actually don't have total control of their own desire. I've known older woman who went through a phase or two where their hormones made them downright scary, and needed hormones to get them back to safe levels. Other women do not however seek to find out their own levels, and along with life choices makes them simply believe their unstable emotions are normal, which in turn scares away most men.
TRP ideas are typically supported amongst a high number of people... if you don't ever mention the words "red pill", that is. Use other kind of language and suddenly everything is logical and makes sense.
You'd be surprised by the amount of people that hate on TRP and have no idea how to recognize a TRP-esque post when they see it. They think 90% of posts around here start with "women are evil" and end with "do you even lift".
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Then just like clockwork bluepillers start reporting the thread and blaming us for a brigade (even though I read the post myself yesterday before it was posted here)
SJWs often accuse TRP of brigading merely when TRP-esque ideas all get upvoted and SJW ideas get downvoted into oblivion.
What they don't understand is that this sub has specific rules against linking to other threads. They're always archive.today or redditlog links.
Reminds me of this.
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Of course he did, that's why he was on the verge of killing himself for two years. You don't need anything when you're dead.
I was surprised about it too. Lots of redditors on that thread agree with trp.
I love good dread game porn. I've got a raging dread boner right now.
Good post. I am happy that this guy used his anger to fuel self-improvement, instead of loathing around and waiting for a solution.
However, on another note, I don't know whether I am angry or just fucking livid from reading this:
How the fuck can this be a serious fucking solution? Like are you fucking kidding me? A man wants to fuck his wife, and this dipshit wants to prescribe him a libido reduction-esque drug? God damn I thought things were bad but this just pisses me off. How the hell do these faggots become doctors/counselors. And how the fuck can they prescribe a man this sort of drug as a solution to a "no sex" problem. Un-fucking-believable.
/rant
A marriage counselor will lose a valuable repeat customer if he actually fixes the problem.
True, but I also have no trouble believing that the counselor may just be incompetent.
Grey's Law: Any sufficiently-advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Holy shit. This is hilariously amazing.
Just from the information in the post, it sure looks like the therapist is incompetent. Of course, most therapy disciplines don't require specialized training in couple's issues, so technically they're practicing outside their competency. Hell, some disciplines will grant licensure without any clinical experience at all!
No, that is the way they are educated and that is the way they practice.
I had a similar experience, except with suggesting antidepressants instead of antilibido. I'm not against responsible medication, but I found it to be incredibly one-sided to suggest that my mood was what needed adjusting, not the relationship itself.
I ended up saying to my ex: You like everything in your life except me; and the only thing I like in my life is myself. I'm not willing to spend any more time and energy letting you and our marriage counselor make me feel like I'm broken and worthless. I'm filing for divorce.
She didn't believe I'd leave; when I did, she told me how much she wanted me back. I filed, and left town. Even to this day, friends and family make it seem like it was my fault for walking away. I guess that's the blue pill culture -- in their minds, I should have taken some medication so that I would be obeisant in a dead marriage while providing all the income and stability but receiving no sex or affection. Makes sense right?
A few years later, I'm in a LTR with a woman now who is almost text-book RPW. Captain / First Mate dynamic, great communication, and copious amounts of crazy sex. I am positive I would never have gotten here without TRP.
Reminds me of the relationship of a friend of mine that had devolved into a DB-situation towards its end. When he broke up for good (after she had implicitly threatened to break up countless times before), she was seriously dumbfounded and couldn't grasp how he could leave her because after all, she loved him more than anything yadda yadda yadda. Bitch.
Same thing. SSRIs will kill your dick. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what this guy was offered too.
You're a fine example of what this place is trying to help people achieve, the captain/first mate dynamic, while at the same time, TAKING BACK YOUR LIFE. Letting YOU live it on YOUR terms.
hah. how's the ex doing these days?
No idea. Strict no contact. Only way to fly.
Counselors are much more than completely worthless. They're downright fucking dangerous.
Ex wife dragged me to various counselors for years. She was prone to firing them on a whim and making excuses as to why, though I eventually realized it was the moment they said anything positive about me or suggested there were areas she could work on, too. She was basically shopping for someone to tell her what she wanted to hear and she eventually found it in a male white knight religious "counselor" (with no formal training) at a local church.
This fucking schmuck... The ex had done her typical rant about how I control her with money and won't let her have nice things. Truth of the matter is she wanted dressage horses and acres of land with stables and a big truck and horse trailer with built in camper to take them to shows and on and on and yours truly didn't have a quarter mil just laying the fuck around to blow on that dumb shit.
Do you know what this prick told me? "Buy it anyway. Borrow the money at any cost. Your wife isn't happy. This is your wife we're talking about here, if a little debt will save your marriage, I can't understand why you wouldn't do that." The bitch sat there with a smirk on her stupid face like she'd won the fucking lottery.
I responded harshly. White knight got an earful about what his own Bible says about debt (nothing good) and how dare he sit in this church and claim to be a Christian while advocating for actions in direct contradiction with his own holy book and so on. All the while he made dismissive faces to me, rolled his eyes, shrugged his shoulders and gave my wife those knowing glances as if to say, "I sympathize with you."
When I finished yelling I stormed the fuck out, refused to pay for the session and told ex wife I was never attending another marital counseling session and if she wanted to go by herself she damn well better get a job because I wasn't going to let another penny out of my paycheck go to these sucker fish.
Of course she doesn't have a job. I just laugh at these people. They can laugh, they can talk shit, they can cry in the corner like a little troll, they can make a Facebook post about it. I am a dominant man that has put in my 10,000 hours learning the reality in which the world we live in. So that means I am more qualified than these people when it comes to making life choices. I also give myself permission (not a permission boy), and I could kick your ass, so sit the fuck down, white knight.
Unbelieveably bad advice from that counselor. It’s easy to give that sort of advice when you’re not forking out the dough.
Here’s some better advice:
http://www.returnofkings.com/16904/avoid-women-with-horses
Funnily enough I actually stumble upon RoK articles most frequently on my Facebook feed when girls share them all like "Oh my god is this guy actually serious!?"
I think it terrifies them so much that someone actually publishes all this stuff warning guys about how they're unsuitable LTR material. I bet that 90% of their social media shares are from the feminist/SJW crowd.
I think that specific article has a good point. I think the main idea is that horse girls aren't LTR material. Those beta provider
slavesguys are completely at their wives' whims.So true on the horses. Wow. Never even realized it but I have always been creeped by those girls. No other animal connection weirds me out as much. Not even the ones I am irrationally scared of (dogs of all things).
This made me furious as well. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I would rather castrate myself and join a monastery than become anything resembling that bottom feeder.
I tried marriage counseling. Never found a counselor who wasn't a total asshat. "Take these personality tests and do 5 pages of homework so I can tell you what your issues are next session!" Fuck off retard. We never got very far with any particular counselor, for lack of quality, but when specifics start coming out they always have a bias for the woman and it turns into 'how can we fix this guy so she's happy.' Worthless.
You have to wonder if these people have ever been married, but then again so many guys I know put up with unbelievable bullshit. Even 'bluepill' me has always been blown away by some of the blatantly childish behavior that a lot of domesticated men accept as totally fine.
Actually, I think I know one major cause for the rampant acceptance of bullshit these days. The postmodern belief that there is no right way to look at anything and everyone is the architect of their own reality. "I identify as female" -some dude. Fuck nature, science, logic, common sense, and anything but feelings. Get the red carpet for this brave champion of individuality and shame/belittle/harass anyone who hurts his fragile little feelings with the truth. Hell if he feels like he's a woman let's give him, not just a free pass into the women's bathroom, the legal right!
Girl gets drunk at a frat party, blows 5 dudes before she blacks out, wakes up pregnant: "I was raped!" Shame on anyone who questions her noble virtues and/or her victim narrative. And graffiti on their house, bricks through their windows, don't forget character assassination. Judgment and intuition is for outdated assholes. If she says it happened a certain way then there better be video proof, explicit texts of intent, and 10 corroborators or someone's going to jail.
Females are notorious for spinning facts to make themselves look innocent victims that are always right, and convincing others that their version of reality is the only one. Postmordernism has enabled this to happen on a societal level, even backed by FORCE OF LAW in some cases. We're fucked.
Wow long rant. MAH FEELZ!
Bet you feel a lot better after that.
This makes perfect sense of you wholesale buy into that the woman is always the victim and the man is always to blame
Blue pill thinking is pervasive. That's why. Men swallow it, and women don't even realize why they're unhappy, or why they're single.
The marriage counselor has probably seen enough of this to know that the tingles are gone. Libido suppression, and eventual castration, are the only viable options.
The way the poster summed it up seems to be the best description of marriage counseling I've seen yet:
"It seems like you have needs that aren't being met. Have you tried not having needs?"
That line is pure gold
That's a pretty good way to do it, offer the extreme options.
You will either shock the "boy" into becoming a man again, or finish his transformation.
I highly doubt this is actually the method in any sense..
And that's why it's actually monstrous - not some kind of 'Judgement of Solomon'-esque response.
Yeah, the counselor most probably doesn't have shocking the man in mind. His lashing out was probably seen as the counselor's failure, especially by the wife.
...other than advocating what the OP in that thread did... which apparently isn't allowed because that would be 'abusive' or something.
They get through the gatekeepers when at university/college. All the gatekeeper academics in my psychology degree who chose those for selection to become grad psychs chose only those who agreed with their values. That is, that all men are evil and only a world run by women was acceptable, anything else was evil.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/u/uptonsincl138285.html
And another one tangentially related
http://kk.org/thetechnium/2010/04/the-shirky-prin/
Counseling, feminism are all the same. If the core problem they purport to be solving gets solved then there is no need for the movement/organization/role. So the problem needs to persist.
Pretty much sums up the DEA too.
It's astonishing that somebody who's supposed to be a professional in human relations is that far off the mark. The power of feminist indoctrination. I don't want to think about how many anaesthetised doped up men are walking around out there like zombies wondering why their wives divorced raped them after they chemically castrated themselves to make her happy.
True, the part with the counselor pissed me off far more than the year-long emotional abuse by his wife. She wasn't attracted to him anymore and lacked the decency to do something about it.
The guy on the other hand was supposed to be a fucking professional and help finding a solution. Seriously, I hope that guy ends up in a similar situation with his wife, but I wouldn't be too surprised if he'd actually take his own advice.
Marriage counselors have an unnaturally high level of divorce. Who could have predicted?
Pragmatically speaking, who are you going to appeal to, the potentially rational male, or the erratic, irrational female? Shrinks aren't typically dumb, they know that you can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic their way into.
Counselling is anti-male by its very nature.
Don't forget there is the chance that he is getting paid a ton of money by pharmaceutical reps to prescribe expensive drugs that no one actually needs.
A doctor almost killed my friend's mom that way.
You're thinking of a psychiatrist (MD), not a psychologist (not an MD).
There was a post on here somewhat recently that talked about how psychologists work for women. It was long but basically it was just the idea of a feedback loop. They're paid to give them feels, to alleviate their fear. They're not paid to fix problems.
The comments... some of these fuckers deserve a deadbedroom. Their wives must be half mad with horny.
It's worse, they're getting only half the cock they want. It's just a tease for them because they know they're not fucking a real man. Sex with their loser just makes them pine more for alpha cock.
Maybe.
Most of the women in a "death bedroom" will seek strange cock ASAP, unless their physical features impediment them to (very ugly or very fad)
Women don't abstain from sex... Ever. Understand this little nugget of wisdom and you'll understand much more of the bigger picture.
Did you notice how everything the husband did was quickly labeled as "abuse,"
But the wife who did all of the initial abusing gets a pass and is the "victim?"
So predictable
Pussy pass, it exists everywhere, even they're the abusers.
It's amazing how so many people feel that a women is automatically entitled to your devotion and commitment as a partner to provide for her even when she does not return anything at all. Then when a guy says fuck it, it's manipulation...
It's all just a power play. One big shit test. She wants to know that you're a real man who laughs at her silliness and tells her to go do something useful.
I'm picturing a legion of RPer's around the world banging their desks,chests,dashboards,worktops making loud,approving monkey noises at our Lazarus buddy who made the changes to his life.
He has ascended.
Synchronicity.
I watched this last week for the first time.
The Baader Meinhof phenomenon
Someone said the word red pill....and got 90 upvotes instead of an insta perma ban. See that shit?
I was amazed at that too. Even the mod refused to ban it, saying that obviously this was a topic people want to discuss and they won't silence it. I'm frankly blown away by the reasonableness of it all.
There was an AskReddit post the other day about male strippers and bachelorette parties. The top comments were male strippers who both agreed that women at these parties, especially the brides-to-be, thought they could get away with touching them and whatnot just because they were women.
Fucking dozens of comments were deleted except for the very top few comments from the strippers themselves. I don't think the mods and admins delete posts that are gilded. I wouldn't be surprised if they deleted the whole post though.
I read loads of quite reasonable and inoffensive comments legitimately recognising how shitty this behaviour was from the women specifically when you square it with how most people react to people cheating. But you'd refresh the page and see another ten of them deleted. And over and over again.
/r/askreddit is far from free and open discussion. It seems /r/deadbedrooms at least allows it.
Yep in the defaults it shouldn't be a surprise that any criticism of female behaviour, no matter how justified, is censored and straw man represented as 'misogyny'.
Suddenly the trees were not so tall anymore, he was overlooking the forest.
That, my friends, is how you become a giant.
Look what one of those manginas wrote...
I'm afraid to go to the gym because I'm a beginner and even if I watched tons of youtube videos on proper form, I still haven't gone mainly because I care too much about other people even though it seems like gym people are usually super friendly.
But I've had enough now, I've read enough stories of people starting working out and seeing life improvements over a long time span. I am ready to accept that. I'll see you on the other side.
Here's something to wrap your head around to get you less anxious:
Nobody in the gym gives a flying fuck whatever you're doing unless they need to work in with you.
Good luck.
It's mainly a ''I've never been there before'' kind of anxiety. But as I'm typing this, I am on the way to the gym. No more excuses.
Facing the unknown is part of the process of alphanotbetization. Yeah, I'm coining that.
Realize that your blue pill programming made you narcissistic. No one gives a fuck about you
I don't think that lifting is that complicated, most of the stuff should come naturally to you
We are .......most of the time, you know why? because everyone at the gym was once a beginner on their first day
Finally, if you absolutely can't go to a gym, then you could easily buy some free wights, you would be amazed how much you can accomplish with a bar and adjustable dumbbells
Take the plunge my friend, it's worth it!
If you have the space get a bench with adjustable squat racks, a barbell, and some weights. You can do Stronglifts 5x5 at the house.
The parts in bold are the most shocking yet not surprising points of this post, why is it seen as okay to basically castrate men?
Some men won't know any better and will listen to this advice and be terribly depressed if he is told he needs to be on some T suppressing drug, most men today have low T as it is.
Why is it OK to castrate men? Because. Men are also castrated [and castrate themselves] with 24/7 videogames, porn everyday, weed, booze by the case and nachos / corn feed / junk food and sugary drinks. That elusive pussy, cars and money comes in the form of a promise of a lifetime supply of giant carrots. BBs taste the product, but that shipment never arrives. That pussy is always on the horizon, like a Rainbow, but you BBs can't touch that. Sign that dotted line... Nope.
And Yes, today the majority of these so called "men" DO NOT know any better and never will. BB are made, and are bound to invisible mental chains, they have no idea know how enslaved they are. What real life is. To them nothing is real. Everything is a dream. These guys are sleepwalking through life. Sleepwalking! [edit] Western Culture tm has already approved the castration of men...
What is Real? RP guys know - Once you grow a set, and start pushing your boundaries and destroying limiting beliefs, you see real progress and real results.
A whole lot of fuckers forgetting about rule 1.
People get the fucking evangelical bug and then can't help themselves. They can't just lead by example.
rule 1: don't talk about redpill.
Yet, everyone talks about redpill. So in reality, rule 1 can be restated:
rule 1: rules don't actually matter
I really don't understand how any subscriber to relationships and deadbedrooms can ridicule any advise in those subs. They are there because their relationships suck and nothing they try is making it better. How would you even know those subs exist if you don't have bad relationships??
It's like the fat fuck at the gym critiquing an olympic athletes training program.
This is a truly inspiring story.
Amusing that ppl keep pushing he's being RP & the guy is clueless what it is or even means. From his history, it seems like it was a natural progression.
Now it's been explained & mentioned so much I think he can't help but examine this more
Sounds like we might have new redpillers incoming
Why doesn't anyone in the comments crying about how he's abusing her realize that he's just doing the exact same shit she did to him before he stopped giving a shit?
They say men chase what runs but maybe women do too.
something to think about
The sad part is that probably all he wanted was for her to do that in the first place. If he didn't, she would be worse off, yet she resents him for it.
I had an ex that resented me for giving her shit when she didn't work out-- she always complained about how she looked, about 15-20 lbs over where she should have been. Guess what the first thing she tried to do after we broke up was?
I never understood this, women who complain about their weight but don't do anything about it. Even if you mention,
"Hey would you like to run with me today?" She replies with, " So you DO think I fat?"
When a woman says something she isn't conveying information. She's expressing her emotional state at that time. That's why you don't take what they say too seriously. Just smirk and act as if your seven year old daughter said the same thing.
Of course they do. Both males and females are hard wired to think "Who runs away from you probably has a higher SMV than you".
I remember that simpsons scene where lisa took the ball from maggie
Also... I swear to god I am going to have to subscribe to most of these subs, just to downvote every idiot in here who keeps talking TRP there.
Seriously, fuck you guys, you're why I can't post in a sub without some idiot throwing your bullshit in my face
Whatever lol. I posted a guideline in dead bedrooms to kill a dead bedroom and it had no rp language. No one have it credit but I didn't expect them to
I know. you can tell who is actually a man, they talk about the same thing, but don't use AWALT...
I PMed the one guy telling him to cut that shit out, he says he doesn't really even go to this sub, don't even know what to do with that information
The manosphere did not invent the phrase.
regardless, they have copyright over it.
do we really need to have a discussion on this? Stop posting TRP lingo in femenine friendly subs, it's not that hard
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Good, then people can stop throwing it out to everyone and expecting praise.
I got that for you, many people in TRP are women haters or manipulators.
This is because accepting a new reality is difficult. Our first reaction is to go "WTF?!? This is so effed up, I hate women for playing these games!"
Then, we learn what the games are and how to play along, and life gets much easier for both sexes.
I only dislike of women cause they're boring. I'm trying to change this but I can't. I been trying to learn to fake laugh for years and I still can't.
I'm sure you'll find a good breadth of sociopaths and bitter losers any sub you go to.
Until they start getting tenured positions and start teaching the next generation, I'll treat them as the malcontents that they are.
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I think the takeaway here (at least how I view it) is that this man started off redpilling, and then stopped giving a fuck. She may have been begging him for sex and he continuously rejected her, even though she might have been willing to fuck him good and suck his toes after. This here (of course assuming dread game initially worked yet he kept resisting) could be the difference between dread game or simply him losing attraction to her, in which case it is natural that she had reciprocated those feelings.
lol just got done reading the comments from the original thread... funny, funny stuff. I love it when people get all butthurt about trp on those threads... it only ends up sending more people here. They investigate and some of them wake up. many are called, few are chosen.
This statement is so accurate it actually gave me chills. Once you get a taste of what it actually means to be a man you become addicted. You struggle and you persevere, and if you don't you struggle harder. Fuck giving up.
The spark you light today will become a forest fire tomorrow and nothing will stop it because nothing can. The alpha train has no breaks.
There's that saying about breakups making bodybuilders. The point of it is that men are extremely powerful and dangerous (in an awesome way) when we put our minds to things. When some selfish bitch dumps a guy, it can awaken a deadly focus inside him that will help him achieve great and glorious things.
What terrifies most people about TRP is that they know how effective and powerful men are. We actually get shit done. We're self-motivated and potent. We don't give a shit about what other people think. We do what we want to do.
Women depend on each other and follow the crowd's overall direction. Watch a video of a shoal of fish or look up in the sky at a fleet of birds - they just follow the same evolutionary behaviour programmed into them.
Peering into the dead bedrooms thread only reinforces my view that dead bedrooms is meant to be a 'poor me' circle jerk of misery. Not about fixing problems.
The reaction to TRP success is hilarious. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
It's amusing that people get so worked up about the monsters that haunt TRP, when the message here is essentially this:
Behave like a man, and most women in your life will behave like women. If they don't (and you are SURE it's not your own weak frame causing it), get her/them out of your life.
So... how does a man behave? How does a woman behave?
Men: The Way of the Superior Man
Women: Fascinating Womanhood
I have to disagree with the fact that is rare that people unplug themselves without aid. If that were the case, I don't think this reddit nor the PUA community would exist.
Some men stay plugged all their lives, others just get fed up with the brainwashing shit like this man, give the world the finger and after some time, those that have improved their SMV start seeing changes.
My point was that he reached the rock bottom -> said "fucked this shit" -> and picked the perfect tool (heavy iron) to solve his problem, completely on his own, not because someone told him to.
What majority of us do: have a problem -> try to solve it conventional way -> start googling for some answers -> eventually stumble upon "red pill" -> decide to give it a try "let's hope these guys know what they're talking about".
True enough, still I think TRP and the PUA world wouldn't exist without the internet. It's one thing when a dude says "AWALT, you have to be an asshole for girls to respect you". But when every guy you know can count with the fingers of one hand (and still leave many out) the number of women who are not like that, dudes begin to question their dogmas.
I don't know if this is guy is truly RedPill, he definitely acts like one. Like many who stumbled out of frustration upon this. He might go back to beta, who knows.
Nevertheless this dude is a motherfucking hero.
If my wife made me feel so shitty I was considering suicide, I'd probably just nuke the relationship.
Yeah you could improve yourself and jump through hoops to get her to respect you again, but who's got time for people that ignore you and treat you like shit?
After seeing the ugliness of her character it's almost better to be like "welp fuck it". If she treats him that poorly once (even though he was lacking in certain areas), that just shows the shallowness of her feelings and supposed care for him.
I suppose it's a success story in that he's getting laid again, but it also reveals some ugly truths about how many shits she gives about his happiness (hint: zero. It's all about how he makes her feel.) Not to mention her level of self awareness.
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From the comments:
Though I assume the guy who wrote this is redpill-aware or at least came to RP-compatible conclusions, here's what I wrote about dread to a bluepiller (card-carrying sort):
It would be better if people didn't mention TRP in the comments, let it flow normally, or else would sound like a fake story that circle jerk made up selling as true.
a lot of people mentioning it are not red pillers, but are people trying to shame him for being alpha and equating the two together.
This is the only thing I want to comment on.
How the fuck is The Matrix a shitty movie?
Sequels were so shit they retroactively ruined the whole series?
Exactly.
You're right, but the term comes from the first movie.
There was only one Matrix movie.
True. On a completely off-topic note, it's funny how little happened in the last two. We meet the architect, the machine god and see Zion almost-fall. Aside from that it seems to be mostly petty infighting and running away.
the matrix is top.
its a case of sequels making the first look bad.
really? i mean the sequels weren't good, but i wouldn;t really say they ruined the original, thats like saying the prequels ruined star wars.
Personally, I wouldn't have fucked the bitch with my own worse enemy's dick after that libido lowering drug BS. That's flat out abusive. Still, he got the results he wanted. Apparently his wife needed a strong pimp hand to keep the mojo going. Good work.
The one thing I'd say is that focusing on your hobbies is always a good thing, depression or not. You need to have something to build off of, and hobbies are a good one (working out being a given of course).
ibido lowering? Shit I'd send him to a Whorehouse with 2000mg of horny goat weed.
This sounds like how American Beauty should have ended if Kevin Spacey didn't get shot.
The wife knows that if she finds him attractive, other women will. She also knows that he could leave any time he chooses when he's not getting what he wants. That tension is what makes the magic happen.
Why the heck are you guys flooding that topic with RP terminology? Stop.
This. Seriously. The concepts in redpill are pretty solid but a lot of you are faggots drenching yourself in redpill culture, never out there getting laid.
Seriously. stop.
mah nigga
This is the most redpill fucking thing I've ever read.
I've noticed a common theme in all of these stories. None of the success stories involve the woman "coming to her senses" and initiating sex again. It ALWAYS begins with the man making a positive change in himself. It's never about a man paying more attention to his wife.
Maybe, subconsciously, this is the reason RP is so vehemently hated by BPers in subs like /r/DeadBedrooms . They absolutely hate thinking that there is something wrong with themselves that's causing their absence of a sex life. They believe they are entitled to sex being just the way they are. They should get it for free without working for it. It's a male hamstering where they self-inflate their SMV.
They see TRP as a PUA trick, where "just learning one pickup line will get you laid". They hate it because their entire dating life is just manipulative tricks to try to get a girl to sleep with them. They're not upfront about their sexuality and they KNOW it doesn't work. They see TRP as an extension of this bullshit. If they accept TRP as having truth to it, it means they must accept that they are not sexually attractive and something is wrong with them.
So true, I wish I could upvote this more times than once.
Man, this guy is legit, go read his threads from two years ago:
smallvictories:
Deadbedrooms:
offmychest venting about his wife:
All this was two years ago.. he has been suffering like this for 2 years. I'm generally quite skeptic about this whole RP stuff, but this guy is definitely legit
God dam this really makes me proud. Starting to think of this forum as a positive place now.
In the words of Bill Burr, "she wants a guy that's fuckable to other women."
That's really the main thing most women are after, and I think it has to do with the fact that women haven't evolved a "functional" sex drive in the way that men have (simply because there was no reason for them to)
I've noticed that when I hang out with guys, I tend to favor the types of guys that women would probably be more likely to have sex with.
In other words, when my inherent sex drive is a non-factor, my "default" drive is similar to a woman's "sex" drive. Women's inherent sex drive is usually a non-factor, so it is essentially replaced by this.
Heh, they seem to be waking up.
/r/DeadBedrooms seems generally to be a very excellent proving ground for RP theory, yea.
Thanks for bringing this to the class's attention.
Where can I read more about operant conditioning? I know what it is but how do you apply it in RP terms
Operant Conditioning: How to train your woman
my favorite part after reading through the comments is how the negative responses accuse him of misogyny, chauvinism, sexism, and abuse. his actions can be boiled down to two basic elements: self improvement and barter/compromise. he became the man he always wanted to be, had hobbies, became respectable and admired by his peers. at the same time he wasn't getting what he wanted out of an exchange so he didn't deliver what the other party wanted. after so long the other party began to deliver more and more on the expectations placed on them by the agreement and he began to reintroduce goods and services expected of him. you cannot get any closer to true compromise than that and aren't bluepillers always crying about compromise being so important in relationships?
Hats off to that mod, even though he's plugged in (judging from his comments) he's reasonable enough not to give in to the unwarranted reports.
Libido lowering drug…
I would probably get a court order to take a testosterone lowering drug after I punch that doctor in the face for making a suggestion like that. Fuck.
It's kind of ironic that the utter disrespect the doctor shows the man in this scenario is probably adding to the crumbling of their marriage.
I am morally apposed to a lot of the Red Pill mentality, but what bothers me the most is how successful it can be. So I'm over here unable and unwilling to charge my moral outlook, knowing first hand that those morals are the wall preventing me from reaching the relationship goals I truely wanted.
Im only upvoting to keep this comment from collapsing.
Red Pill truths are amoral. How you choose to APPLY them will filter through your lens of morality. In this sub we tend to refrain from moral judgments about how people choose to live their lives with one exception - NO ONE will tolerate real abuse. You will not find any up-voted comment encouraging violence toward women - self defense not withstanding.
These are truths about our primal nature. Men want to "pollenate" women want to reproduce with the best genetics. Women also want to ensure that they and their offspring have the highest chance of success, which means attaching themselves to the best resource.
There is nothing moral or immoral about that statement; it simply IS. We all exhibit primal traits - from hypnotically staring into campfires to children competing with each other. When you can accept that reproduction & relationships are primal too, this fits together like a puzzle.
The only thing you're morally apposed to is reality.
"I am only as moral as the system allows"
It's moral to believe this is what they like and refuse to offer it to them?
Oh I'm not saying I'm moral right, in fact I consider it a deep seeded flaw. Just a deep seeded hangup I haven't been able to shake. Regardless of how much my So enjoys or wants it, there are certain behaviors/mentalities I feel morally apposed to. Most likely an over reaction to too much abusive men and I walled off anything I felt was too close in that direction. Not saying Red Pill is abusive at all, just my youthful reaction.
That was fucking beautiful.
I wasn't expecting to see so many upvotes for redpill comments. Generally we are hated. Wonder if there is a shift coming.
Oh it's coming alright, you will see a strong offensive by SJW. And thanks to FatpeopleHate and other sub-reddits, it's actually going to be hell for them. They're getting corned and now TRP actually seems a lot decent subs compared to others.
Plus it works. It fucking works.
I actually go to DB and read their posts and it reinforces TRP over and over again. Keeps me motivated, and FPH helps as well to get my butt moving. I just finished leg workout, ate and then heading to bed.
Worth it.
Even though the guy never heard of TRP--- I say mods here endorse him.
We can learn from a guy like that
What a great post. Thank you for sharing.
Rare for someone from DB to post a success story. Good for him.
From the people who brought you hormonal gender transition therapy for prepubescent teens comes the new "libido lowering drug" for husbands who want to sleep with their wives. 100% normal; nothing to see here.
This is beautiful. Especially as a newcomer, it convinces me that this way of being is completely inherent to men, only being accessible through hard work and dedication.
It's so great to see these stories, especially when examining my life and my former blue pill world. Men are wrapped up in the delusion of happiness being attained through acceptance of women, however they behave, and to submit and accommodate these desires. Shit you see it everywhere today.
However, once your shit gets serious and really hits the fan you crash and burn, or you see that you had what it took to succeed, and you apply it, which makes it all the more valuable to your personal growth. Cheers man, great post. And may this man continue on his path of happiness.
If I could give this post 1000 up votes, I would... :D
OP:
You said: The Alpha is born. Nothing can stop him now.
Fucking made me laugh. Truth and hilarious!
My question is why the fuck did he take her back? She sounds like a fucking useless slug. After his self improvement had progressed a while and she wanted him again, he should have dropped her like a turd in an outhose and gone and found something hotter.
The point isn't the ignoring. Ignoring isn't what's getting him laid. Like he said, he's rewarding her with tons of attention except for on the few days they don't fuck. I question whether she's even made the correlation, consciously or subconsciously.
Depression and the wussy blah blah blah attitude that comes with it is a complete boner-killer for the ladies. and the gentlemen, as it turns out (look through my old posts, I think my first was about when my then-girl got depressed).
Feel good about yourself, people will want to fuck you. Maybe the ignoring is 20%- the feeling GOOD ABOUT HIMSELF was the 80% (and this 80% pays other dividends- health-wise etc., whereas the ignoring may later come with a price tag.)
Im so glad this sub exists, really opening my mind makes me think there is hope out there. I'd like to shout out to everyone at this sub for the no bullshit attitude and ideas being discussed, this is probably the one place on the internet which isn't completely full of shit
The red pill is not bitter or painful. What is bitter and painful is CHANGE. Change is always painful, whether for good or bad. But once the change is over you can actually enjoy the new situation for what it is.
Seriously though, how can you fuck for four hours?
This stuff really hits home with me. It reminds me of everything that is wrong with modern day psychiatry and brings me back to being medicated in school for ADD and some disorders that I was diagnosed with that as a teenager that I no longer fit the diagnosis for. The fact that they wanted to give him a libido lowering drug is fucking insane. Drugs like that are usually saved for pedophiles in prison who are trying to change their lives that are trying to change end their sex drive so they can focus on forgiveness and self improvement. Now medications are so often used to make people fit a style of life that does not interest them or that nature did not intend. Sexuality is about as basic as food in human nature and they were trying to turn it off because it was interfering with their modern idea of what humans are "supposed" to do. I'm glad this guy had the balls to stand up for himself and change his life. I never have seen medications as a definitive solution that you can do until you're an old man and see the same effects. When you come off the drugs you will realize that your problems were put on hold and are back. Anyways tldr; if you don't fit society, people try to forcibly change you and fuck that.
I am a female. I thought this was great. Fuck you guys aren't so bad.
No one cares.
Tits or GTFO.
I asked this on the thread but am interested in your opinion:
Is his wife happier now than she was before?
i don;t see why she wouldn't be. she has the alpha she wants
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Women are like dog shit...the older they are, the easier they are to pick up
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Reads like TRP porn. Hell of a story if it's true.
with his post history it seems very likely to be true.
yeah, personally i dont believe. it wreaks of made up RP fantasy.
but that's just me, downvote away.
TRP = How going to the gym will solve all your problems.
You know what, women want to be treated like women and men want to be treated like men or at least we do. It is great that this guy discovered his sense of respect and now his wife will flock to him because of the increase in SMV and the dreadgame which he unknowingly pulled. And now he has command of his wife and more importantly his own life again.
Women want men, hell even feminists who want masculine women are just hiding the fact that they really want a man but don't want to admit it. This guy now needs to step it up and go even crazier with his wife. His wife won't be entertained for long and he has to get creative with how he establishes dominance.
Sounds too text book to be true imo. I just don't buy the story "my wife wasn't putting out, so I start lifting every day, being a jerk, and boom, problem solved". I know that this can work, and it does, but typically there's a lot more at play than simply lifting and ignoring a woman, especially a wife. There's entire books on how to properly apply the alpha vs. beta methodology, and this reads like a first two pages of one of their chapters.
His history shows that he made his first couple of posts before TRP was even a sub.
But I'm guessing he read some Anthol Kay or other such book. The "be alpha and chicks will do your bidding" idea has been around. I like to think that TRP isn't so much about manipulation, or literally being a dick to get your way as much as it is shifting your priorities and getting away from seeking approval from others as your means of feeling valuable. It's about taking pride in yourself and making yourself a man of value from within vs. without.
I see no such enlightenment in his posts. I think that he just hit the lowest level of hell, did the one thing that made him feel better, and just went with that.
This is why I read TRP. there's a lot of shit to be ignored here, but then there's this.
I don't know if it's just me, or if this is even a healthy attitude to have, but would anyone else have been too bitter to reconcile even after they patched things up? Like, he says he loves her now, but personally I wouldn't have been able to forgive/forget the months or how ever long it was of her not meeting his needs, hopefully I'm never put in a situation like that
Look, if you want to see the greatest example of this ever put on celluloid, watch American Beauty. Lester is theRedPill.
No he's not. He's having a midlife crisis and it was clearly an illustration about how a man regresses into a teenager when he's absolutetly fed up with his life.
Jesus, not everything in the entire world exists in the context of YES REDPILL or NO REDPILL. When you eat a fucking hamburger, do you question if eating is redpill?
you clearly missed the point of the film. Lester lives with a wife who doesn't respect him as a man or a person. She doesn't feel sexual attraction for him, and indeed he doesn't feel good about himself. He has an epiphany that he needs to start living life on his terms--WHICH IS AS FUCKING REDPILL AS IT GETS--and starts taking better care of himself (aka lifting, essential), executing dread game, and doing whatever he wants.
This is the essence of this sub, and it's a pity it went over your head.
Dunstin checks in was also as redpill as it gets.
That lovable monkey was SO TRP GUYS! EVERYTHING EVER IN EVERYTHING IS REDPILL
Very elaborate and fake.
I think this story is GREAT advice for a failing marriage, but that doesnt mean the story is real. I love the "?" And "O neat, thanks for telling me" when people mention the red pill. That's what gave it away.
Knowing about dead bedrooms but not the redpill? Come on guys stop being so gullible.
I found out about the redpill after posting in dead bedrooms. The comment went something like "whatever you do, don't go to r/theredpill"
Except his first couple of posts on his db were before TRP had a subreddit.
He played a 2 year long con with his account, kudos to him.
I can't believe he went to the therapist for a year...fuck that guy!
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Seriously. Fat fuck man loses weight which gives him confidence and his wife wants to fuck him again.
OMG HOW UNBELIEVABLY REDPILL EVERYTHING IS REDPILL THE SKY AND GRASS IS SOOO REDPILL