Is it just me or is online dating way different now?

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February 2, 2020

Used to use online dating apps back in 2015 had an overall wholesome experience and got some dates out of it. But I took a huge break from it

Fast forward to 2020 I decide to use online dating again and it's a shit show.... Got 4's and 5's giving attitude and shit testing and whenever I try to say something funny it's met with rudeness. Seriously wtf happened to online dating? The experience left me so turned off compared to how online dating was 5 years ago

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Title Is it just me or is online dating way different now?
Author Wert44
Upvotes 190
Comments 108
Date 02 February 2020 05:21 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]RahnBurgundy291 points292 points  (20 children) | Copy

Too many thirsty dudes talking up fatties just trying to get laid.

[–]y0ussefhesham143 points144 points  (15 children) | Copy

which means fatties now think they’re the shit and started having an attitude.

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (9 children) | Copy

Fatties are the worst now, they think all that extra weight means you're getting more loving. Just don't take them out to dinner, unless it's an all you can eat buffet

[–]Onidramon107 points108 points  (8 children) | Copy

“Thicc” was a fucking inside job

[–]The-Knowing67 points68 points  (4 children) | Copy

I've literally not seen a single woman on OLD referring to herself as thicc or curvy without being fat. And it's so fucking sad, and was especially prevalent when I was living in the US.

I love legitimately thicc and curvy women, not these lard golems that are fat from head to foot. Having curves implies that parts of your body deviate from the rest in shape.

[–]Hungboy696942025 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy

You don't even need to read her bio, the headshot profile pic from way above tells you her body is bloated. Any time you see that headshot from above, it's ALWAYS a fatty

[–]KnightBlue29 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is also true if their only pictures are headshots.

[–]ThrowawayYAYAY20023 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah, the good old "Helicopter View".

And if she has ran that pic through a filter, Run!

[–]MelodyMyst8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lard golems. LOL.

[–]Gordon-G23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

9 times out of 10... “Thicc= Fat”

[–]jackandjill2220 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lizzo? Are we talking about Lizzo?

[–]PerplexingPegasus_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Always appreciate a good Lizzo joke

[–]alpha_in_progress1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

cmon brah , fatties are people too dont fat shame

edit: its a joke ppl damn.

[–]TBtgoat3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

As long as you’re making progress that’s all that matters. But if you’re fat and don’t do anything about it, you’re a fucking pathetic beta whose genes don’t deserve to be passed on

[–]alpha_in_progress1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

i was making a joke

[–]TBtgoat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You could be dead and my point still stands.

[–]alpha_in_progress0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

obviously .

[–]ThrowawayYAYAY200218 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

And too many fatties, because of this (and because being fat is welcomed now), thinking that they're 9's and 10's.

Confusing times.

[–]Hungboy696942027 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like I've said on here before, tinder is for 5s , pretending to be 8s, looking for dudes who are 10s

[–]Ill_mumble_that5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why I stick to Grindr.

[–]2319Skew9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

You mean "curvy" /s

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (3 children) | Copy

I agree with you. 4-6 years ago it was open season, I could open with a joke, a comment, or nearly anything, and got a very good amount of responses. Now it's not as easier as it used to be.

Perhaps it's that all the validation given over the last years has made it a commodity.

Either way. This is the way it is, nothing to do than to keep building yourself more and more and increase your chances. Other guys didn't suddenly get handsome as fuck, so if you do become handsome as fuck, you'll still get success.

[–]jasonlarry-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

i noticed. i think there's been a shift of norm making guys constantly entering dms a thing now. being creative, teasy over text becomes forced almost cringe.

what seems to be working is talking as if you're not interested and just chat shit and be yourself (supposed to be doing that anyways) but without the obvious flirting. once they catch your frame, it's pretty easy to pull.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree with you. The clever funny opener is really not working at all anymore for me, when before it was my go to thing.

But the ‘hey, what’s up’, doesn’t work either, so I am somewhat lost on how to open

[–]jasonlarry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i haven't developed a 100% successful formula, but most of the time, I comment about something on their profile. "hey why is your tattoo like simba from lion king". it's not smarty flirty, nor is it boring. it's just conversation with some substance. it's good because if they're interested, you usually noticed instantly based on how invested their response is. if they just go "aha" you know she doesn't see any SMV, yet.

statistically speaking, I was able to turn quite a few boring conversations by just saying: hey, I think you're bland to talk to and I'm not about that. or something about let's get to know each other (for some reason this just lights a bulb and it makes them interact much more).

last tip, because everybody texts now, try calling. develop that 'real human' interaction as well. it helps you notice if you're playing it too safe etc..

[–]Gordon-G39 points40 points  (4 children) | Copy

OLD is full of ham-beasts 49’ers... 4’s who believe they’re 9’s !!

[–]Enlightened_Chimp9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

4's who pretend they're 9's until you see them in real life without filters and are left wondering, who the fuck is this person

[–]Ill_mumble_that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

fucked a 4

Doesnt matter, she pooped in my butt and I pooped in hers and we went back and forth forever

[–]Mobile_Pepper8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I learned OLD is stupid in that, I can only fuck 6’s, mayyybe 7’s if i’m lucky and play my cards right with OLD. But pulling off the street/IRL, I can get with 8’s and 9’s with relative ease

[–]z2a1-93 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol go 9ers!

[–]Onidramon26 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sometimes you have to try not to think about how much easier it used to be. Even though real life is still the mode that beats all, there's really no denying how fucking clutch the online dating pool was years ago. If you had even a shred of game and patience it was literally Coochies R' Us. It wasn't a bad time to be in college

[–]Merica91111 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yup.. It’s unbearable now.. Lucky for me all the 10s I match up with years ago I'm still spinning with but recently I had to delete all the apps because it's horrible now. And just going to be looking forward on day gaming irl and just stop wasting countless hour via online to match up with a 3, 50 miles away, divorce single mother.

Again. It's been said many times on here.. You have to be on the top 10% now (irl top20%) to have your pick in girls. And what's that actually looking like on this current affair.. 90% of the girls on there only interested in the SAME 10%.

And to put the cherry on top.. Those 10% of guys, at best, are viewed at 9s ( never 10s) because if you were a 10 you wouldn't be on there to begin with. So, by default, you, are viewed a single point lower as you really are irl via dating app (so comical)

The virtual life are rule be girls (tinder, insta, snapchat filters) but still irl men have the better hand.

The house of cards of narcissistic filter impose women, Instagram prostitutes are going to collapse. Not only is the bubble going to burst, not only these women going to hit the wall soon, not only are they going to get exposed, but many men (good quality ones) are no longer going to partake in this bullshit all together, leaving the dating app sence. And those women that once did match with a nice, handsome, go getter guy are no longer available, because he rather live a fuelled life of this short time on earth and not on a dating app that just doesn't work anymore and we're slowly knowing why.

Thinking Ape just made a view that us, as a Society, is moving into a hyper unrealistic reality, and the bubble gonna burst.

[–]everyone-predictable5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The house of cards of narcissistic filter impose women, Instagram prostitutes are going to collapse. Not only is the bubble going to burst, not only these women going to hit the wall soon, not only are they going to get exposed, but many men (good quality ones) are no longer going to partake in this bullshit all together, leaving the dating app sence.

I'm sorry, but from the equation you left out that there will be always be a new wave of resupply, both from woman and men. Yes, todays women will hit the wall, and men will realize the nature of woman after some years, but... then there comes a new generation of instagram horde, and a new wave of niceguy/blue pilled men, who will not wake up until the age of ~30.

[–]mortalcoil13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Instagram prostitutes are going to collapse."

There will always be Arabian princes (or some other foreign prince) who want to shit and piss on white girls and Instagram hoes who don't mind getting shit and pissed on for 5 figures.

"these women going to hit the wall soon"

There will always be more women trying to become an "influencer."

"many men (good quality ones) are no longer going to partake in this bullshit all together"

There will always, always be thirsty men looking for what they think is an easy lay and drowned women in compliments. There will always be thirsty beta bucks.

[–]Metalcrazyx-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm surprised that someone here actually watches Stardusk

[–]Merica9110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy


[–]Metalcrazyx-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

He is an og MGTOW content producer, an intellectual at that, and 'monk'. This place is on the pua side, and from what I've gathered, walking away from females is considered to be 'loser' behaviour here

[–]Johnnybeachboy37 points38 points  (6 children) | Copy

I agree, I remember when girls would engage me in conversation about anything and even if it was just a fling I had fun knowing she was actually into me. No nobody responds to me, meanwhile my friend who is higher SMV (his personality is shit thoigh) still gets hit up. I remember when it was so much easier for me to get a convo going, even a date. Perhaps its because I buzzed my hair but even then I was fatter than I am now.

[–]rockyp321 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Idk I think it’s my generation. 4 years ago my generation were just 16 year olds in highschool. But you could just see it. So many weak males me included. My generation got it way worse than even the generation 5 years prior. Now all these boys are hitting up whales on tinder

[–]Johnnybeachboy1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm 24, so not far off.

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Exactly when you graduated from highschool online dating must’ve been amazing! I’m guessing OLD started sucking around when u were like 21 and all my generation graduated HS

[–]Johnnybeachboy2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I actually didnt use tinder until 21ish. Tinder didnt come around until I was 19. I actually did a semester abroad in Eirope and never used it.

At 21 was I was getting a ton of matches a day even thoigh I was fatter. Around 23 it started getting redundant.

I understand people want to meet the best looking people but god, I remember how much fun it was talking to people. Still a pain in the ass at times but I got atleadt a few hundred numbers and dozens of dates

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Mainly the algorithms fault now probably

[–]Johnnybeachboy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My hair thinned out alot between 24 and 25 (I turn 25 in a few months) I didn't see much of a change in person but even using my old pictureson apps I'm getting repeat match recommendations. I entirely think it's the algorithms as my age isn't much higher than 22 or 23, the largest demographic.

[–]sehns18 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy

My hunch says all the quality people have moved to Instagram

[–]illusiveab12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

This. IG acts as a currency nowadays where the quality of your pictures determines a lot about your social value. Dating is an access class and IG is the most valuable currency currently.

[–]asskisser0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

but how to capitalize on this? Posting many photos and especially of yourself, feels feminine to me. What does a man do!

[–]Hungboy696942010 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Are people really hooking up through insta tho like they did tinder ?

[–]sehns16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

They are if your pics are good enough

[–]jackandjill2225 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anything's a dating app if you're attractive enough.

[–]ZomCom1318 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you are talking about Tinder and POF, then yes, those apps in my experience have been so awful it's hilarious. I know it's completely YMMV because it's entirely dependent on where you are + the local demographics, but I've seen all kinds of shenanigans such as the typical liars, photoshoppers, fat girls pretending not to be, fuglys pretending not to be, fake women, botters, blue ballers, no-shows (about 80% of the time for me), and trolls. When I was on those apps, actually trying to be a decent person trying to match, I felt like I didn't belong, because everyone else was trying to deceive or swindle me. It turned around when I decided to flip the tables and become a troll on there myself, and ironically I actually caught a few real dates doing that, although I first trolled a shit-ton of users before it came down to that. The funniest ones are where you see a girl's profile, who is super hot and THICC, and you instinctively sense that she's too good to be true, and it turns out she is a bot, her pictures were stolen from FB and when she 'matches' with you, 'she' tries to get you to click a link to DL a ransomware or a shady 'dating' website for you to sign on like a good little sucker. I assume most ppl on online dating apps to be bots or decepticonners nowadays, and I'd rather meet women in person now. YMMV ofc.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s gone to complete shit the last 2-3 years.

[–]Crooklar49 points50 points  (16 children) | Copy

Online dating is a numbers game, it’s a process.

If I had the money and could be bothered I could get a different date (mainly 7 - 8s) every night of the week. And in my experience get laid by the second date every time.

You need to filter for the girls just looking for social media followers/likes and those just looking for their ego to be stroked.

It also helps to be 33, the dating pool gets bigger as you get older, who the F wants to date a 18/19/20 year old.

Enjoy life, don’t settle down til 30s, filter for what you don’t want (walk away, plenty of girls about) and lift.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (12 children) | Copy

Lol if only it was this easy, most of the ones I've met have recently been ejected from a LTR and are looking for a guy with money to allow them to continue the same lifestyle as before. Don't think they even care who it is as long as you can demonstrate some wealth and willing to hand it over

[–]Crooklar-3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy

Can you not pretend for 3 dates?

Go to a querky up market bar, cheapish bottle of Malbec £24, done

Depends what your looking for.

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[–]Gordon-G5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

the pussy-beggars do

[–]Crooklar9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Generally not three dates,

Women are entitled because thirsty guys give them likes + most guys think girls, who wear make up and contour, are that pretty all the time + guys don’t filter enough and put women on a pedestal.

[–]RVAGOD14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy

Show up 20 mins late so she opens a tab

[–]Crooklar8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

When the first bottles done, I look at her and tell her I’m into equality, although I very rarely have to use that word; I’m going home other wise.

[–]RVAGOD3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I had to Google Malbec, I'm a USA guy, traditionally just ask her out for drinks, beer/liquor. I've even showed up and had guys already offer to buy em drink chips and they gave them to me. Not sure if that's a thing in your world.

[–]Crooklar3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

How much for 6 drinks vs a bottle of red

[–]RVAGOD1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Usually move locations before six

[–]ThrowawayYAYAY20021 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Now this is a thinking man right here! Like your style, bro.

[–]Fusionnn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The first girl I dated, I showed up 2 and a half hours late

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Will give it a go lol, greetings from the UK also 😃

[–]KillaJewels6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

It also helps to be 33, the dating pool gets bigger as you get older, who the F wants to date a 18/19/20 year old.

I do and am. Better to shape and mould them to your liking instead of getting handed someone else's leftovers.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

If I had the money and could be bothered I could get a different date (mainly 7 - 8s) every night of the week. And in my experience get laid by the second date every time

It also helps to be 33, the dating pool gets bigger as you get older, who the F wants to date a 18/19/20 year old.

Lol. Sure you could bro.

This sub has been taken over by simp white knights like this dude and incels.

[–]TheGillos3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

He needs the money because he'd be hiring escorts lol

[–]Kvantemekanik5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's your age (more specifically the girls ages). I'm 26 now, and the 25 year olds on tinder are entitled as fuck. But the 18-21 year olds are still as sweet as they were 4 years ago (recently out of a 4 year LTR).

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[–]Milk_moustache9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just go out and meet people in real life

[–]prettyawsm4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Totally. Broke up with gf went on tinder again and it's all the same 4s who somehow started to think they're 10s.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Screw online dating.

Most women who respond will have filters and extremely low self esteem

Most men who reach out are huge betas craving what they can’t have (sex/relationship needy), so women “expect” to meet this type all over

Most plates I spin would have swiped/ignored me on a dating app

It really is a BIG waste of your precious time

Nothing compares to approaching IRL while working towards your goals

[–]monky-loves-you4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it's changed a lot. I agree even in 2015 it was possible to meet mostly normal girls on OKC and tinder. Now it's open rudeness, single word replies, girls giving out their instagram instead of their number. I just leave them on read and move on.

[–]AuberyBitoni3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The online dating game has changed. Tinder used to be fun back in the day. Loads of matches, constantly trolling girls and actually getting something out of it. Nowadays every girl has her Instagram in their bio. They just want followers.

Best way to get girls online now is through Instagram tbh. You can just comment on their story and start a conversation from there.

But I don't have social media anymore. My succes rate in real life is massive compared to online.

[–]Psychological_Radish5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

I only started Tindering in 2017. Back then I could get HB7-8 out pretty easily. Now I mostly bang 6-7 from Tinder...with the occasional 5 during dry spells, if I'm being honest. HB8+ I match more than ever before, but virtually never meet. The reason is competition. A while back a young 18-22 college dude didn't have competition from older 23-30+ guys who were slower to adopt new tech. Now every single guy is on there.

If you want a truly great Tinder experience you have to go where the competition isn't. College towns without a lot of young professionals and cities like Vancouver with favorable ratios of hot girls to guys.

[–]AmIDyslexicStoner4190 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Vancouver? You must be talking about Vancouver WA and not BC because the ratio is not like that at all here and online dating is absolute trash. Girls feel more entitled than anywhere else I’ve see

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

No I'm talking about Vancouver BC. Look up the ratios. They're among the most favorable in North America for a major city. Vancouver is a place with tons of fit, outdoorsy girls. Most of the local Canadian guys are Beta schlubs. I got quadruple the Tinder matches when I visited compared to comparable cities, and had girls cold approach me in bars and on the street. In the words of my Airbnb host's son, "All I have to do is walk into a bar and stand there."

You may want to seriously consider whether or not you should be included with the population of schlubby Beta males that inhabit the place.

[–]RacistMuffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


Definitely visiting there now. Thanks

[–]AmIDyslexicStoner4190 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Spinning 3 plates and being literally the only guy that I know out of my insanely large social circle (most guys don’t care sharing that kind of info with me) that does that is not a “beta schlub” lmfao. Yes I do agree almost all the guys here are beta cucklords and it’s easy to stand out if you put some sort of effort in however the social atmosphere of this city sucks ass. The girls that are 6s think they are 9s . It’s ridiculous. Most guys and girls are single because they hold themselves to such high standards . Everyone thinks they are much better than they are and it is extremely cliquey here. Girls care so much about their social rep so whoever they fuck is so important.

Just cause you were able to come in for a week into the city or however long and a 5 approached you while hammered at a bar does not mean the whole entire city is like that. I get approached by 5/6s all the time at my work. It’s not even a big deal what so ever. However when I went travelling to the states, like 7/8s would approach me. All my friends who leave Vancouver for school and go to other parts of Canada / the states. literally every single one of them agree that it is much easier to pull girls than in Vancouver.

There’s only 4 reasons for what you said

  1. Either you came in for 1 trip or whatever and you had good luck which made you generalize the whole city

  2. You are in a different age bracket as me (I’m in my early twenties)

  3. You are BSing hard

  4. You come from a garbage city in which wheeling girls is so shitty that you come to an actual city and just think it’s insane there

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not going to waste time convincing you of my experience. If you want to keep being a salty neckbeard that's your business. Good day sir.

[–]RoyBattyLives2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's way different now. 5-8 years ago was the best time to be in online dating in my opinion.

[–]qiuboujun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why even bother using online dating if you are male below 8? Literally no point.

[–]DownyGall2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

But what really has changed? It’s not like simps and fatties didn’t exist in 2015 or 2016. Is it just more widespread?

Totally agree. I could get good dates with pretty girls who would actually go out as recently as 2017. Now, it’s fucking impossible to get a date and it’s mostly fatties. It’s really unfortunate because tinder and the like used to be great.

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[–]DownyGall0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So you’d argue it’s more the effects outside the app than anything that’s in the app. That’s not heartening for dealing women. Though I’d agree dating has gotten worse in the last four years. It probably is because of the collective ego stroke for women and ego defeat for regular guys.

[–]Gawernator2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

One part of it is monetization I think. Tinder really punishes a lot of guys who don’t pay for gold now with their algorithm.

[–]smgtn1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

00ties was the golden age of online dating, before Tinder or even smartphones. Hell, even before dating websites were popular I was pulling chicks from IRC 😎

[–]cnwilks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I gave it up over 10 years ago. I was mostly on eHarmony, which almost never matched me with anyone local. Instead, I had a number of one-night stands with women out of state. I also learned that chemistry on the phone doesn't translate to RL very often. My very last eHarmony date flew to see me, and was planning on staying for 5 days. After two, I drove her to her brother's house in another part of the state, and we had a 3 hour car ride in silence.

I never tried Tinder, because I always heard that unless you're over 6' tall and have a six pack, don't bother. I don't have a cool car or a lot of money either, so no help there.

I moved a toxic XGF out a couple of years ago, ending 6 1/2 years of sheer hell. I wouldn't mind going on some dates again, but am desperately trying to avoid the online route again, because it let me down too much.

[–]Youngyoda891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t even bother with 4s and 5s EVER. Start there. Stop swiping right in every single girl. I swiped right on 1 ever 3-400 girls. I’d say ab 90% swipe right back.

If I started talking to a girl and she said something I don’t like- unmatch immediately; plenty more fish in the sea.

[–]dremmet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have had a similar experience. I put it down to having aged 5 years, meaning less likely to match with younger girls that use it the most, as well as girls on dating apps having unrealistic standards because thirsty guys taking whatever they can get skew the playing field

[–]Frothyloads860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll take all the ham beast here! They f#ck better! I warm hole is a warm hole! 🕳️

[–]decoy88-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You got older.

[–]CandiceOwensHead-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hypergamy. I blame men tbh.

[–]DieYourWorstDeath-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Truth? If you’re only pulling 4s and 5s then your SMV is shit. I’m an old man in this game (approaching 40) and have great success pulling 8s with ease. What are your lifts? How’s your approach game? If you walk up to a woman in real life, can you entertain her with conversation for more than a couple of minutes? Do you have an adult job? Do you have your financial house in order? Do you dress well? How shit is your dating app profile?

I guarantee the apps aren’t the problem. It’s you. You are the problem. Fix you.

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[–]DieYourWorstDeath1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In real life 8s are relatively easy if you’re charismatic. Online you need good photos, a witty write up, and proper grammar while messaging can go a long ways.

At 20, you should probably focus on real life game and forget the apps. Travel frequently, get lots of flattering photos, surround yourself with high value people, and revisit the apps in the future. Just what I would do I if could turn back time. Oh, and lift heavy. Get your fat free mass index above 20-21 and you’ll have no issues.

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