"Everyone is too accessible" - The harsh reality of the dating market for women

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November 25, 2020

Prior to me stumbling on the weird part of the internet called "Reddit", I was just a regular youngin livin' life and enjoyin' the dating scene. I didn't question anything really, I just sat back and observed and used what worked.

"Oh....she didn't get mad when he called her a bitch. In fact, she laughed. Interesting. takes notes."

"This guy is great at negging. I gotta be like that - takes notes"

"When you play fight with a bitch it's basically foreplay. Takes notes"

You get the idea. Whenever I saw something that worked I stashed it away in my memory bank and would use it at my leisure while calibrating it all to my personality.

When it came to dating I just did whatever I felt like doing.

LTR? Sure why not.

Cheat? Yep, I've cheated on all of my exes. Don't give a fuck.

I'd cheat on them, we'd have a "falling out", and then we'd fuck because I thought you were supposed to fuck your exes before you get more pussy. It's not like you're supposed to catch feelings or care (although I am incapable of such things but that's another convo) point is that you are doing it out of familiarity and sexual chemistry. You two both know what you like already.

Overall I was just living my best life, not caring much about the "state" of the Dating Market, my Sexual Market Value, etc, etc. I never had to "looksmaxx" or any weirdo shit like that. I look decent enough to put my foot in the door at best, and the rest was just pure game.

Then, after a day of sex with one of my exes, shit changed. She was wondering why it was so hard to find a decent guy to date, and then digressed to how our relationship ended because I cheated on her and then promptly dumped her.

That's when she hit me with one line.

"Everyone is too accessible."

At the time I had no idea as to why that line bothered me so much. I hit her with that "what the fuck is that supposed to mean" look.

She pretty much explained that it's far too easy for a guy to find a hoe to fuck be it online or otherwise. So there's no loyalty.

I just thought for a second and brushed off what she said, then changed the subject. I shrugged my shoulders but what she said lingered in my mind for days. And then weeks. Why the fuck was this bothering me so much?

It was like an innate "sting." And I only feel that way when I am face to face with a hypocrite (call it intuition). Nothing repulses me more than hypocrisy, so there was an innate subtext to her statement that even she had not picked up on but I did.

During my search I stumbled on Reddit, then The Red Pill. I read the sidebar, and it was some real shit. Most of it were things that I had known innately, but it was a dope ass read. Still, I didn't quite find the answer that I was looking for.

Then finally, a line from a poster over in PurplePill damn near gave me a paradigm shift.

"Women are having a hard time accepting the new realities of this new dating system, even when they are one of the primary beneficiaries of the dating market."

That was it. That was the "sting" I felt. The hypocrisy, solipsism, etc, etc.

The very same bitch that was able to enjoy ONS, FWBs, and flings when it was convenient for her, AND cheat on her LTRs (yes she did it multiple times) by calling me up to go fuck her (or by me calling her up), had the audacity to turn around and say that, "Everyone is too accessible." Because *I* had the means to cheat on her?

Shit, it was all one big brain blast for me. But once you swallow that Red Pill you become obsessed with patterns and shit.

I thought back to another one of my exes when we had some pillow talk months ago. We've known each other for a long time, and we dated on and off twice (I cheated the first time and broke it off, second time I just got tired of her and dumped her).

We reminisced back to when we were in the "talking" stage of dating shortly after we first met. Back then it was just us going out for drinks, a movie, or over to each other's places to fuck. She admitted that she legitimately wasn't seeing anyone else during that time.

I just said matter-of-factly "Ohhh, well this is awkward, but you were one of three."

You should have seen the look on her face. It was the same look she gave me when I told her that I cheated on her.

"Oh, I didn't know that you were that type of guy...."

At the time I found that statement funny, and now I know why. The same kind of bitch that ain't mind going on multiple dates when it came to other dudes, have a few flings and ONS, is judging me for 'multidating' with her before we were even official?

So I asked myself why?

Then during some study time (read: meditative porn time) it hit me like an epiphany.

Casual sex and the dating market is only seen as bad when it is the reason why they can't lock down the man that they want.

So they blame tinder hoes, thots, 'Pick-me' bitches, etc, etc, because if they didn't exist then the man that they desired wouldn't have strayed or had more options to explore away from her.

In their mind, every guy up until the 'LTR-material' guy was simply a "learning" experience. Now she's ready for the "real" thing. But there are two things that they don't consider.

1) He has other (better) options

and more importantly.....

2) He doesn't see her as anything more than what she saw the last guys as - something fun to do

You see, when bitches talk about the guys that came before (and during pillow talk they love going down memory lane) there are men who they just didn't care much for. Hell, even ex-husbands are treated that way. Of course, she still fucked all of those men, but they didn't mean anything and what's more, "they just happened to be there."

So when the shoe is on the other foot, and she herself "just happened to be there" for a guy that they caught feelings for, they cannot handle it.

And we have a term for what these women end up as.....

Alpha Widows.

Hell, that shit reminded me of a Trey Songz lyric in his song Love Lost

"When the one you need, don't need you. What do you do?"

And the sad truth is....

They don't know what to do

And that is, the harsh reality. And why now I went from indifference, to a small little twinge of pity for a lot of bitches during these sexually liberated times.

The very same market that allowed them to explore their sexuality, is the same one that also allowed the men that they wanted to lock down to do the same. Thus, it's a gamble to see if the man that they caught feelings for actually likes them, is just fucking them, or will eventually come across a better option and throw them in the trash bin.

So, essentially, they hate being put in the same position that a lot of men are put in when it comes to dating women - the one with more to lose.

What's the point of it all then?

It goes back to what one of my OGs told me about street life and just life in general.

"There's no rules to this shit."

Act accordingly.

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Title "Everyone is too accessible" - The harsh reality of the dating market for women
Author DerekMorganBAU
Upvotes 695
Comments 187
Date 25 November 2020 10:53 AM UTC (4 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/331329
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/k0q310/everyone_is_too_accessible_the_harsh_reality_of/
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[–]1BlondeHornyElf202 points203 points  (22 children) | Copy

i lost a lot of respect for women over the years by actually dating them...

all that pillow talk shit hit me the same. i remember a girl i was fucking told me she was single, the next morning her bf calls and she breaks up with him right in front of me. too many stories of stuff like this and after a while it makes it hard to want to commit to them.

"there's no rules to this shit" <-- your friend called it right

[–]BasilevsNihili30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, the cure to simpism is being around women. Be long enough and you'll want your distance. Betas on the other hand fantasize about it.

[–]mrbabZ8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also, female friends are the best wingmen possible.

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[–]travhall1968 points69 points  (1 child) | Copy

YO THIS... the shit your female friends will vent to you about lol

[–]oldskoolflavor49 points50 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been telling all you mofos this whole time. There's no better RP teacher than your female "friends".

They're teaching you by their actions and behavior.

[–]halflotus240 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are for raising children. That’s why they are children. If you don’t need them for that, you don’t need them.

[–]Protocol_Apollo48 points49 points  (14 children) | Copy

Respect is earned not given.

I give little respect to women. Why?

Because they haven’t earned it.

And also: I’m not sure if they are even worthy of it. I, instead, just treat them like the cute, naive children they are.

They truly have brains of children as u/collegeguy115 points out.

The order of getting respected goes:

Men > women > children.

Men are respected by women who are respected by children.

You don’t see men respecting children. And you don’t see women respecting children.

That’s why men can’t respect women.

I don’t hate women I just don’t respect them.

[–]PickUpScientist44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy

As someone who taught English in South Korea for over a year, I disagree. Kids are at least honest. And they produce much more interesting conversations.

Some highlights:

Ruby: Michael Teacher, why is your hair yellow?

Michael: Why is your hair black?

Ruby (looking legitimately confused): Because I am a person?

In another class...

Michael: Jack, read number six for me.

Jack (looks up from his phone): Six. (goes back to playing with his phone)

[–]Metaforze0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

So what about that female surgeon who may one day save your life? Not all females are the same, maybe your social circles contain a lot of naive cute women, but there are also a lot of capable women who should deserve your respect.

[–]1redditthrowaway147816 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I work with surgeons everyday, guarantee they are human like the rest of us

AWALT still holds true

[–]18cmOfGreatness13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

A person can be competent in one area of life and completely helpless in another. The same goes both for men and women.

[–]Metaforze-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes indeed, so it would be irrational to generalize that all X are the same regarding Y.

[–]Protocol_Apollo7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy

who should deserve your respect.

Should just means I want.

You want me to respect women.

But again, respect is earned not given.

And many women are unworthy of such.

[–]Metaforze-3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy

I know that, and maybe you are unfortunate that you are surrounded by women that don’t earn respect, but that doesn’t mean that none should. You cannot generalize like that. I see a lot of retarded Americans (e.g. Trump voters) but I won’t say that ALL Americans are retarded, just those.

[–]Protocol_Apollo11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

Oh dear. Looks like we got a low IQ take.

you cannot generalise like that

all trump voters are retarded

Generalisations don’t have to be 100% true, they just have to be generally true.

And many women aren’t worthy of respect.


Imagine voting for Biden who’ll assemble a task force to stalk and shutdown people from trp and other sites. Scroll down/command find “task force”. This is literally on his website.

But then again, I’m not sure that would affect you too much since you spend more time on r modern warfare than on asktrp or Trp.

Hi guyzz, I’m metaforze, I love to play vidya games, post about video games and I respect women. Oh but don’t worry I’m a red pill alpha male.

Do you even sidebar bro?

Do you even lift?

Edit: and you believe in “a girl who is your love of your life” and don’t mind if her n count is 20.

You never took any red pills.

[–]Metaforze-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You sad little man... 🤣

My IQ is probably way higher than yours but let’s leave that out of it. I don’t give a shit about your vote, I’m not in the USA. But good thing that Biden’s “task force” should want to shut down this misogynistic page. I don’t spend time on this weird sub indeed, I just came by to be amazed at people’s stupidity, like I do with flat earth pages and other conspiracy bullshit. The fact that you think you can insult me for NOT being misogynistic is laughable. There is no red pill, it’s a fairy tale made up by pathetic males who have been rejected too many times. No thanks I will never swallow that red pill, but you go ahead and swallow each other’s pills ;)

[–]Protocol_Apollo6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ah phew, actually thought you were from here.

Now I know you definitely don’t lift.

And I now know you fit this description

For a guy who just likes to laugh at us “stupid people” you sure like to spend time trying to convince us of your views.

Weird that isn’t it?

Surely if we were like flat earthers, you wouldn’t even bother trying to convince us of your “truth”? You would just leave them alone.

You should probably stick to playing video games and posting 24/7 about them on reddit.

[–]Metaforze-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I do lift, thank you, beta. But the difference is that I don’t make a big deal out of it. Judging people by it they lift is a “wannabe alpha / small dick move”. You have something to compensate for?

[–]Protocol_Apollo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I’m sure a guy who loves playing vidya games, loves talking about vidya games everyday lifts.

You didn’t answer the other bit

For a guy who just likes to laugh at us “stupid people” you sure like to spend time trying to convince us of your views.

Weird that isn’t it?

Surely if we were like flat earthers, you wouldn’t even bother trying to convince us of your “truth”? You would just leave them alone.

If we are all stupid and wrong, why do you bother trying to convince us that we are wrong?

Surely if we were like flat earthers, you wouldn’t bother with us?

[–]LexiconicalGap1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Go back to posting about video games and iphones, you brainless simp-ass beta.

[–]Bonjourbonjourreturn683 points684 points  (16 children) | Copy

When you are used to privilege, equality looks like oppression

[–]JasonPaul1797 points98 points  (11 children) | Copy

Oh shit, this one hit deep

[–][deleted] 160 points161 points  (7 children) | Copy

This is the flip-side of feminism that chicks are embarrassed to confront. They wanted the freedom to ride as many dicks as they wanted without consequence. However, now guys also get to bang as many chicks as they want without commitment. For a beta male it's hell, but for an alpha it's paradise. Chicks are the ones who inherently need commitment, and they're the ones who sustain the most damage in this new-age market. I honestly think the women got the shit end of the stick on this deal and it's ironic because they're the ones who pushed for it.

[–]1redditthrowaway147872 points73 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women nearly always do this shit to themselves

They’re the ones who advocated for working outside the home, now they complain about how everything outside the home works.

[–]sawyer9411753 points54 points  (0 children) | Copy

And now they are more miserable than ever before.

Quick, find a way to blame men.

[–]aamour157 points58 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s herd mentality that leads them off a cliff

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the flip-side of feminism that chicks are embarrassed to confront.

They are the ones who say this line though, This post is the first time I've seen a guy using it. Its a go to for justifying any kind of nonsense when there is a gap between their "logic"

[–]18cmOfGreatness5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nah, women only benefited from it, but they can't exploit the benefits because they are "bugged". You see, by default, women aren't supposed to get alpha men, those who are "above their league". They are supposed to find a loyal provider at their own level or close to it. Maybe, if she wants to get the max benefits, she can try to cheat on her hubby with someone better and get the best genes while still having commitment, but it is risky (high risk high reward evolutionary strategy).

The problem with women is that they think that guys who are above them in SMV could be "locked", it is like a lottery to them - yeah, chances are low, but if it succeeds it would be great. And so they try and fail, they try and fail and then get disappointed. Most of them, eventually, learn the lesson. This is why women start seeking provider on their own level after hitting the wall. Before that, they are often addicted at trying their chances with men who have too many options to consider something serious.

[–]__Lord_of_Light__2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Under the old system in society 6s would be paired up with 6s, 7s with 7s and so forth, and so even though 6 women would naturally lust after 8 & 9 men, bc they hadnt really had any exposure to them they learned to just accept their lot and be happy with the 6 man they were with.

Now under the new system in society 6 women STILL end up with 6 men, but now bc shes spent her 20s fucking 8s & 9s, she is miserable, can never be happy, and usually ends up ruining her life and her kids' lives still trying to chase the 8 & 9 men she used to have access to.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thomas Sowell I believe. Look him up. He gives good talks on economics, including race and gender perspectives on the subject.

[–]gELSK4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just read the first few chapters of Discrimination and Disparities. Based, former marxist

[–]Apfelstrudelboner5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's worse than this

Equality is a male abstraction. Maths (which can measure equality) is a male abstraction. The concept of there existing other people who have their own consciousness not being part and parcel of the female hivemind is a male abstraction.

Females compete with other females as rivals in the queen hive, as organs of the same body. The male world is alien to them. The world where people are complete persons with agency and all the attributes of individuality... is an alien concept. Children are like some limbs of their mothers. Not real persons. Males are aliens.

OP's ex didn't just disagree on a matter of measurements and equality. She disagreed on principles. What is true for her doesn't, and shouldn't, and has no business applying to other people, especially not to males, "these weird aliens who give us protection and providing in exchange for girly tricks".

More properly than aliens, to women males are things, tools, robots, golems. Aliens when they haven't been subdued and used, tools when they have.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This summarizes this post to a tea,

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[–]prsAtwice2doabarlrol34 points35 points  (2 children) | Copy

Funny. I feel nothing for them. It’s fucking hilarious.

[–]publicdoxxedaccount6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

i'd like to think im apathetic but i think i've just started to hate society as a whole -- not just women, not just the cucks that act as catalysts in this shitshow, but just everyone.

[–]7SM14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thats bread and butter right there.

I have a stable job, and work out and play music.

[–]Ben_Eszes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, and it makes you a god compared to the average guy. It's pretty sad, but hey, I'll take it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tragically however they usually manage to find some poor guy who doesn't know what's actually going on who's willing to take them and their rubbery well used vagina and can't believe his luck

[–]1laserdicks246 points247 points  (33 children) | Copy

Nearly all thousand year old cultures: Limit sexual freedoms. It's a good idea.

Feminism: Limitations are evil and wrong because I'm horny and want dick without judgment, destroy them!

Women literally one generation later: Oh fuck, my horny decisions aren't making me happy and I'm old now.

Women one maybe two generations from now: Maybe we should limit sexual freedoms.

[–]Eustace_Savage83 points84 points  (6 children) | Copy

Women one maybe two generations from now: Maybe we should limit sexual freedoms.

But the younger generations below them don't want to give up those freedoms and they're the ones with the social power and capital and support from all the media institutions.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (2 children) | Copy

By the time the realize they've been fucked they no longer matter.

[–]llama_moth8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

By the time the realize they've been fucked they no longer matter.

  • By the time they realise they fucked themselves, they no longer matter.

They chose the carousel, they own the consequences.

[–]Lightning1432 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its really unfortunate. In our society young men have little power and older women have little power. It all lies in the hands of older men who have built up their place and have a stake in keeping the status quo, and young women who are benefiting from their young allure without realizing the power of it and the limitations of it in the larger scheme of life satisfaction.

[–]yomo8616 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bingo. I guess that's why older women hate younger ones. They have what they once had and they will end up just as bitter

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[–]CandleLess41 points42 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yup as a member of gen Z in college it's actually insane. Benefits me but is gonna screw over a lot of guys who can't get casual sex

[–]1empatheticapathetic12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

What do you mean its insane?

[–]CandleLess65 points66 points  (2 children) | Copy

Like the degree to which girls will avoid commitment and fuck every solid looking dude around. Not complaining personally, but I know I have a few friends looking for an actual relationship and it looks like it's just about impossible right now. It's more common to find a girl who wants to fuck and never talk again than one who wants to stick around

[–]1empatheticapathetic32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

Interesting. I have a guy on fb who is around this age. Met a girl who is basically his gf now but there is no way she would ever willingly 'commit' to him simply due to the fact that she wants to be able to branch swing whenever it suits her. The problem is she isn't really that appealing and definitely isn't finding anyone as good as the guy to fuck. So they settled on an 'open relationship' status on fb. At first i thought this was pretty cucky of the dude but eventually realised this is the closest he can actually get to a committed relationship in this climate.

[–]CandleLess23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, I actually lost my v card to a girl in an "open relationship" in the first few weeks of college. This meant that the dude presumably was chilling in NYC while this girl hooked up with at least 5 guys including myself, and that's just the ones I know about. Plus a threesome. Not sure if I even want a relationship but for now I'm just trying to secure consistent sex and it's worked pretty well for me. No point in locking anyone down at this point

[–]Zehinoc26 points27 points  (11 children) | Copy

Women one maybe two generations from now: Maybe we should limit sexual freedoms.

Lol there are women saying this?

[–]1laserdicks44 points45 points  (8 children) | Copy

Some hinting at it but their methods obviously cloaked in plausible deniability. Invention of the term "fuckboy" is the most recent development.

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[–]1empatheticapathetic23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

They'll definitely pursue attempting to do both though.

Words are just words man.

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[–]nofappist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, a fuckboy is literally a word for an attractive man who goes for what he wants. You can never make a word for a high status person be derogatory.

[–]alexzang7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just because they can’t without being a hypocrite doesn’t mean they won’t. They’re deluded enough to believe it

[–]gELSK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Words are wise men's counters; they do but reckon by them; but they are the money of women.

[–]1laserdicks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The two are inconsistent, but there is more than one woman. I think it shows a turning tide, but we'll see.

[–]Zehinoc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's fair. I can see them trying to limit the sexual freedom of men, but I can't see women en masse limiting their own freedoms.

[–]yomo863 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you have sisters look no further than your mom. Mom usually tells the slutty daughter not to be a slut, leaving out the little detail on how mom was a slut herself

[–]1redditthrowaway14782 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes actually, it’s often the ones that are now in their 30s. You have to be really gentle to coax it out of them, but you can get progressive women to admit to the superiority of traditional relationship in the end.

Getting them to admit they specifically were wrong though is pretty much an impossibility...like with most women, as we all know lol

[–]WesternRattle12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

That last part is starting to happen. The youngest of Millennials and GenZ are having less sex than previous generations. Im currently 25 and in my last year in college. A lot of girls in my social circle are either virgins or have had less than 3 sexual partners. And a few have openly said how many men they have had casual sex with.

It's also easy to tell who's open to casual sex and who are more prudish the more girls you hang out with. The girls who act more immature/naive are the ones who believe in that disney fairytale (also if they're huge fans of Disney that's a dead giveaway). Girls who are more open and love to party/have fun are the ones who enjoy the cock carousel.

Don't get me wrong, there are many Millennials and gen Z having tons of sex, but it's not as high as previous generations. I think it has to do to how many are still being treated as little kids by their parents so they are really immature which leads to them having less sex. This goes for guys as well.

[–]gELSK4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

A lot of girls in my social circle are either virgins or have had less than 3 sexual partners.

Is this based on what they tell you?

[–]nofappist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s backed up by anonymous studies as well. Gen Z doesn’t drink, fuck or smoke as much as previous generations. How anyone can be surprised when they get depressed is beyond me.

[–]ComplexProjection13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

As an alpha male you should not wish for sexual limitation, since you are the winner of this sexual market.

[–]1laserdicks35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

Of course I do. I can already choose most women I want. The fewer STIs they have the better.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

This sub really just teaches men to be in the position of power that women intinctively seek and are not 'reeducated' to relinquish. Men are late to the game. Rules are for losers.

The rules people follow are self-imposed. It has them playing a rigged game at a constant disadvantage. Rules in a rigged game are designed to swindle the profitable participant (men). Women have no rules because they know there none. They seek to hold their power by shaming others (men) when they exhibit behaviors that hint at turning the tables.

[–]DerekMorganBAU[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's almost like dudes establish an innate social contract with these broads.

"I could kill you with my bare hands - so while I have physical superiority you will have sexual superiority."

Nah. Dominate them in all aspects

[–]DonsPosting105 points106 points  (21 children) | Copy

Then there are those women who are freaks in college and prudish in marriage. I mean they will do for other men what they won’t do for hubby. And they wonder why hubby gets upset when he finds wifey’s gangbang video and asks for divorce. And there are really good men out there - women see them every day. Unfortunately, they have been relegated to the friends roster.

[–]Rich_Chemist91497 points98 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be honest man that goes both ways. After a few years even if your girls a bombshell you’re tired as fuck of fucking her. Charlie sheen said it right. “For every hot chick there’s a least one guy tired of fucking her”.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock34 points35 points  (9 children) | Copy

You forgot the third step, revisiting the freak stage once they think their comofrt is established. She starts putting herself in positions to get attention and is open to advances. Starts dressing more provactively? Goes on girls night outs. Posts on social media etc. The guy she fucks is often a guy the husband knows too.

[–]1BlondeHornyElf17 points18 points  (8 children) | Copy

The guy she fucks is often a guy the husband knows too.

seriously.. dude her husband knows or a co-worker

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock33 points34 points  (7 children) | Copy

~"You know the man who has betrayed you. He has been in your home, ate your food and drank your wine".

This why TRP requires 3 types of game: handling your woman, dealing with strangers, and working within your primary group. If your woman is attractive, ALL men want her and will pursue if given the shot, including your own family.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOW sounds so much more sensible IMO. I wanted kids man, but not this badly.

[–]rf900rt10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

There you go, it's the end game for men, for when you're tired of playing around and can't give a fuck about women no more. It gets old.

[–]Baba_humbug3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was shocked when I found out my ex-girlfriend was being stalked by a creep who actually seemed pretty normal, clean cut, good job, somewhat nerdy. She had stalkers before who would not give up. I think it's cause she has huge natural boobs, so I guess that makes guys go a little crazy about her. I almost wonder if I should have dumped her. Having a woman that other guys go absolutely nuts over seems like it'd be worth it.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thats the one aspect that you never know about in a dudes personal time, obessession with a particular woman. The next door neighbor that walks out ot the balcony everytime she does and knocks asking if she wants coke. The ex fuck buddy that smashes her phone into the ground because he found out about other guys. The simp that paid for some of her expenses that smashes her side mirrors on her car because he jealous. The other guy that paid for her car that takes photos of her from afar while hanging out with other people to let her know he's watching. The lawyer that offers her shopping sprees if she would date him. On and on and on.

She also had big tits. Makes most guys go loco. She used a lot of these guys. Free apple bees drinks guy. Guy who pays for daughters medical appointments. Guy who pays for car. Guy who drives her home.

She was also crazy. And not in the overused sense. A sweetheart when sober. Then a MESS when she started drinking, almost always drinking till wasted. Have to monitor her drinking for her and thats if she lets you. Always promising she'd stop and that shed lean on her christian values to stop (lol). She was an awesome side chick. She was down for anywhere ie tag teamed in the living room during a party. Women that are a mess are the best fucks hands down. Sluts are awesome but how do these guys want to date her LMAO. The usual advice is usually avoid these women but there's a way to handle them.

The only way to keep your crazy woman is to have other women available and to hang out with her somewhere that shes not the knly fun thing to do. She will inevitably pine for another guy while hanging out to prove ahe isnt taken. She will cause a scene. A jealous man she used will start trouble. When this happens, you start making moves on another girl and ignore her, or walk away and hit up another chick. If you dont, youll get get jealous, desperate, and clingy for your sex demon. Give your ego convenient option get you out unscathed. She'll be back, trust me. Gotta be able to abort missions asap upon her shenanigans.

Happy crazy women humpin. Crazy bitch by buckcherry aint just a song.

[–]SunOfHelios0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

3 types of game:

dealing with strangers, and working within your close groups. If your woman is attractive, ALL men want her and will pursue if given the shot, including your own family.

Any tips/recommended reading for these two types of game?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I dont have a crew. My friends dont hang together so the intragroup competition for your gfs isnt my expertise but I know the problem exists. I've seen guys do it and hear guys talk about problems with it. It especially applies to marriage and kids situation where other families get together often for the kids, combining the 7 year itch, partners letting themselves go, and proximity. If your wife got a pair of tits or juicy ass, you in trouble. Even with home repair guys. All fronts.

[–]chomponthebit23 points24 points  (8 children) | Copy

You can be one of the dudes she gets freaky with or the regretful incel. Alpha fux, beta bux. Choose wisely

[–]dreamville_6470 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

how do you make her show you her freaky side? lead by example?

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten57 points58 points  (7 children) | Copy

Women’s lives over the past 35 years have improved by most objective measures, yet measures of women’s subjective well-being have fallen both absolutely and relatively to that of men.


The social sciences, infected with liberalism (this is the false belief in perfect equality, not american Democrat beliefs) want to call it a "new gender gap" because of course it needs to be a problem for society to solve - but in reality the answer is simple and observable.

Freedom of choice makes women unhappy - they aren't able to select things for themselves that contribute to stable happiness.

As recently as the 1970s, this gender happiness gap was reversed. What changed since the 1970s?

Women entered the workforce and marriage rates have fallen off a cliff.

The root of all social problems is economics. The false prophets of today would like you to believe that it's some sort of evil social force - perhaps race, perhaps gender, perhaps generic "oppression". It's always economics.

Women fought for equality and in many ways they have gained it. They have never been unhappier.

Our general answer here at the red pill is that the natural social order flows from the man on downward. This is an unbelievably controversial view in the modern age. The statistics back our view, however. Correlation and causation be damned, I can use my eyes.

Put simply, what this post is about is that giving women unlimited freedom does not make them happy. They cannot, as a whole, make choices that provide them that benefit over time when it comes to relationships. No amount of anecdotes against this point can change a trend.

If you want an LTR, it's time to grow out of that belief. That doesn't mean you'll never have one. It means that to do it correctly you court a bunch of women, provide your attention according to who treats you the best, and then it's her job to ask for it.

that will at bare minimum give you a woman who's interested in your leadership. In a healthy relationship she'll treat you as her superior - another controversial point.

Superior just means hierarchical superior. The people who wish to say that the red pill represents male supremacy just can't read.

After all, if you've been actually out there in the sexual marketplace at all, you'll see what is true.

See Stevenson, Wolfers 2009 for data if interested.

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I think the reason modern men can't "filter" women is because they themselves don't have a definite north in life. A man who doesn't stand for something can't get women to submit to them, because he doesn't have a frame of reference he can use to make her submit. Men should start by acquiring a definite set of values and try imposing it on others.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

a frame of reference

Critical point. Same thing that plagues our wannabe TRPers - need to go out and try things before you can have any authority on the subject. Importantly, someone who's been there can spot a faker in half a second.

[–]dreamville_6470 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

what’s the best advice you would give to a man in his late teens? use your purpose to direct your life?

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Get a discord account and PM me.

[–]ixDamocles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for this comment, this is what I needed to hear.

[–]ChrimsonChin9880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I found a gem from Wolfers; ' Maybe women are answering the question differently than they did 35 years ago, he says, because now they feel more comfortable talking freely about life’s challenges and disappointments, and because they have different points of comparison. ' (He then goes on to argue that perhaps now women compare themselves to the guy in the corner office, which is completely fucking ridiculous) What if, in the 1970s and prior, women were happier because they were living in a fantasy world, at home most of the day, taking care of their children, making small-talk with other women, having a secure relationship etc. And now suddenly they are thrust out into the real world men have lived in forever, going to work every day, facing problems, tough social situations, having to make their own decisions etc. And the days of 'secure' relationships are done.

Most hilarious thing is that despite tons of data he can't find a definitive cause (because he is looking through a mainstream lens, looking in the wrong places and not seeing what should be obvious). Also if he did it would probably be the end of his career lol.

In addition and in contrast to others here, I don't think there will come a time where women's sexual freedoms or anyone's sexual freedoms will once again be limited. First of all, once you squeeze toothpaste out of the tube, there is no putting it back in. Secondly, I think there was a reason to limit sexual freedoms; Christianity and 1 man 1 wife policy, allowed children to grow up safely in a secure environment. One of the big reasons for our technological advancement is that kids get to develop for the first 20 years of their lives without worries about survival. Compare that to caveman times where 1 alpha fathered all the children in a tribe. If it would've stayed like that I believe we would still be caveman. Without secure families at some point we never could've made the leap from there to here. I think the necessity of sexual limits have run its course at this point and although there will arise some issues it's not necessary anymore for the (technological) evolution as a species.

[–]Tek_Analyst42 points43 points  (1 child) | Copy

She did say, “everyone is too accessible.”

I think she gets it totally. Probably even realized long before you did that this doesn’t benefit her.

Have fun with women and enjoy them. But be honest about your intentions. No need to date exclusively if you don’t intend on it. There’s nothing good about that and nothing for you to brag about.

[–]DerekMorganBAU[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not bragging and trust me it ain’t a big deal. They always move on it is what it is 🤷🏿‍♂️

[–]paint-the-world-red43 points44 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, this was the truth bomb I was not expecting at 6:50 am, but I’m still all the more grateful for it.

[–]RatingsOutOfTen26 points27 points  (22 children) | Copy

As a MGTOW guy, I can say that this is generally true.

Furthermore, there are no negative consequences for someone cheating like their used to be, and in fact many women are rewarded if they are in a marriage and decide to break it off and/or cheat.

Women who are getting older are seeing this stuff and realizing that they are damned to only be a piece of meat because they wasted their 20s. Thats why the #metoo stuff is happening so much.

The only solution to this, as far as I can tell, is for younger generations to see this and grow up and decide not to make the same mistakes once the dating market "crashes" and the value of a woman becomes dirt. That option for love, a family, actual happiness(if your goals are love and a family), and marriage goes up in a puff of smoke if the women are thotting about in their teens and 20s, and they don't see it vanish into nonexistence until they are 35, or sometimes even younger if the wall hits sooner. Rampant sex changes a woman and morphs her into something else. Brides need to become pure again, or at least value relative purity.

[–]4ktx3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's already dity.

80/20 rule.

Only top men get laid, 80% of women are the same.

[–]RatingsOutOfTen13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think that rule is only true in cities. Where I live, there just aren't as many men running around having sex, and a lot of the overweight and/or slutty women are still a bit ashamed of themselves and try to hide it or are terrified of being single because men are still 'allowed' to hang out and crack jokes about fat women with each other.

I have seen the 80/20 rule in action, though.

I won't say women don't fall into the 80/20 dynamic, but there is a clear and distinct cultural split where I am and the blue pill married simp types don't have it as bad yet.

There's no reason that can't change, but I think the change happens more slowly in rural, Christian Conservative areas.

These men have nice brides that get fat after the first 2 kids and then go on psych meds and then get fatter, but never go out unless it's for church or to shop. These women don't even think about sex anymore and just do arts and crafts while the men go out and cut firewood drunk or something.

Divorced women, or women with kids get ignored. I see them at church all the time looking for a provider man.

[–]throwabcdaway447 points48 points  (5 children) | Copy

Its just like any other competitive environment when everyone lools for the best options for himself.

Men and women just behave the same but just prentend not to and no one is even conscious of it and doesnt want to see it.

Even here people makes that mistake: when a girl lie its a hamster, when a guy lie its "dark triad" lol.

[–]viggyvodka17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

Because any girl can sleep around and a man would have to pass a certain looks/height/race threshold for it to work. That’s the most basic concept of Redpill and why we’re all busting our asses to uncover where we stand in the sexual hierarchy.

Not every man has the genetic potential to be in the top 20%, it’s one of the few things Redpill refuses to acknowledge, along with a lack of empathy for their fellow man who do get screwed over by this horrible sexual marketplace. No respect for simps though.

[–]throwabcdaway44 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Girl who are not in the top 20 can sleep around but not with men they want... its a similar pain.

The only thing men have harder is that they have to make the first step all the time or they have no opportunity. As soon as a man decide to make any first step he will find a girl on his level of the hierarchy.

Its seems skewed on trp because most of the people were naturally not that great on the first place with girls and are unwilling to lower their standards.

Also.. WTF "look height race" ? This is "basic incel" not "basic trp", and every EC and post tells you its not... Especially race is 100% bullshit but looks and height LOL. Have you heard of Berlusconi ? Even looks its not true, the biggest players i knew were usually recognized as 'not great at all' lookwise.. they just created opportunity all the time.

The basic trp is masculinity: "frame, status, muscles, and good social life". There you have a real threshold on that. Go read the side bar.

[–]viggyvodka3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Race is 100% bullshit? Lol lemme guess you’re an above average height white dude. Those with the advantage will never admit to the immutable traits which grant them it clearly.

And using one example does not negate the objective truth that white guys have an overwhelming advantage in the sexual marketplace and ethnics have to try much harder especially if they aren’t tall. There’s no ‘basic incel’, there are only facts.

Nobody is denying lifting/getting lean/learning game/acquiring status is not essential, but in the same vein it would be dumb to deny race and height advantages purely on a ‘uncomfortable truth basis’. If Redpill is about lifting the veil of bullshit regarding women, then not acknowledging these factors is only an impediment to accepting the truth.

[–]throwabcdaway42 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You still wrong, because 1/ nobody cares about your frustration so why speak of it 2/ thinking about it it will leak into your persona. Even if it was true whats the point of talking about things you cant change ? You are just creating a victim persona that will leak into you behaviour. Its all about attitude.. just focus on improving, knowning that there ARE ugly small indian dudes who pull a lot with their confidence. Girl smell the confidence and the artitude toward life. If you keep dmashing your brain with bad thought about how you are so unlucky you will project that.

Its not a joke or wishfull thinking, its 90% of the actual work.. a lot of stars killed themselves and were depressed while having everything you are currently dreaming of..

[–]viggyvodka1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Nobody is denying lifting/getting lean/learning game/acquiring status is not essential...”

Seems you purposefully ignored this statement of mine which directly addresses the gist of your comment. I’ve been lifting for 5 years, have no victim mentality, and do pull girls. All of that has nothing to do with acknowledging the unequal dating market regarding immutable traits such as height and race and having some empathy for those who are less fortunate.

And stop with the “juz b kunfident” shit, if you woke up tomorrow 5 inches shorter and 6 shades darker you’re telling me your confidence would pull you girls? Just fucking lol.

[–]sawyer9411719 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a logical paradox. On one hand women at every turn at told they are amazing and even if they don't feel that way there's a support structure that lifts them up with their self-esteem being of paramount importance -- contrast that with men that get the opposite treatment.

So it makes all the sense in the world that women, deep down, would find this off. So they seek guys that don't treat them like that. In fact the further they do the most intringuing they are. They know they can keep the default support in their back pocket so this serves as more. And we all know women are conditioned to seek out as much as they can get.

In her mind she things she deserves the best and if you can get multiple women that's a draw to her. All her life men have been presented as second class citizens so if women approve of a man many other will without question.

OP hit the nail on the head. Men have ALWAYS been accessible to women, they just have to open up their legs. They are pissed that the scales are evening out, denying them of innate power. Of course a guy that WOULD treat her like a princess is nauseating to her, so there's that.

Honestly if you were in a position where wishful thinking manifested you may think the same. Think of the women that get mad at men for not reading their thoughts AND acting upon it. They expect men to be a genie that grants endless wishes. This is why it's so very hard for them to be empathetic - despite their marketing that this is what they do best.

When women are ready to settle down they'll say they are "done playing games" aka having fun. What a great selling point! And guys that were interested in that before were overlooked so now that she wants it any man that doesn't give it to her is a Peter Pan. Note that whenever something doesn't go her way it can't possibly be on her.

TL/DR: Women expect all the options in the world for simply being themselves and want men to have no options so they have all the control while eschewing any responsibility that may occur as a result. I want my cake and to eat it to and I expect you to get the cake and feed it to me while fanning me with a palm leaf and if you don't you're the worst kind of man. I really feel sorry for the guys that try to make their women happy. Not only is it a thankless and impossible task but when they fail it's their fault for even having tried.

[–]muff_marauder9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

So they blame tinder hoes, thots, 'Pick-me' bitches, etc, etc, because if they didn't exist then the man that they desired wouldn't have strayed or had more options to explore away from her.

"Don't bother understanding women. Women understand women and they hate each other." -- Al Bundy

And he was right.

[–]dspjm19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think you are spending too much time in women's frame. They just say this to say they want the beta bucks strategy now, the explanation they give is trivial. They all say the same thing. Sex is not more accessible to men now, but to women. The competition is more intense for men, because women can access more alpha now, and you actually need to do more to get the same women. However, if you are an alpha, it's true you can access more women, but it's not easier, but more difficult, because women can access men they could never access. The Matthew effect is stronger now.

One piece of advice, don't listen to what women say, whatever they say. How do you know that's what they really mean? How do you know they are ignorant? How do you know they don't understand? Maybe she is playing the "I am innocent, not my problem" card again? They always lie, zero credibility for me. I don't have time to figure out if what they said are real.

They say all these kind of crap to confuse you, to trick you into a beta, nothing more. The fact is quite simple, her SMV is not high enough to lock you down or change a man's sex strategy, and she probably has passed her peak. She waste her party years with arrogance. That's all. Her outcome is a result of her ignorance rather than the system or men. In fact, it's a best time for smart women since it's the time that women have access and chance to lock down a man who she has never had an access. Like women always do, she wants men to be responsible for her own past ignorance and mistakes, but you are definitely not the one who should be responsible. Now, she still has her alpha fantacy that she only dates alpha and avoid commitment with beta. In fact, she may still be easy to get a commitment from a "decent man", but she still hasn't given up her hypergamy.

[–]Busy-Jaguar4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

One piece of advice, don't listen to what women say, whatever they say. How do you know that's what they really mean? How do you know they are ignorant? How do you know they don't understand? Maybe she is playing the "I am innocent, not my problem" card again? They always lie, zero credibility for me. I don't have time to figure out if what they said are real.

this is too true never believe them

[–]yomo865 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Folks OP is right. When you hit 25 watch out for the social media detox or more appropriatly the 'Great Purge'. Yesterday she was pics-only tits and ass hanging out while tailgating while implying she rode Chad's dick. Today, only one modest profile picture and bakig suddenly became her hobby. Every woman has a past. And when your pussy is the hottest commodity after sliced bread since you were thirteen you will use it.

[–]Sid_Insidious4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Equality" (embracing promiscuity for women and shaming male sexuality) gave women a whole new wealth of opportunities. But, it also gave men a whole new wealth of opportunities.

What this means is that ultimately women and men now have equal opportunity in the sexual marketplace. And, as we all know, women consider equal opportunity to be unfair.

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[–]4ktx11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women were running around sexually rampant. Sleeping with 10+ men not know who the father was. Trains ran on them the whole modern day 9 yards. Men at that time were burying new born baby's if they weren't male because they brought shame to the family. Women were getting treated worse than dirt. Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free. The hijab was brought in to preserve value of the women and to insure her marriage.

Pre-Islam, It's a good read.

[–]Honest-Heat5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Could you suggest some sources?

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[–]KylieJennersbutthole34 points35 points  (4 children) | Copy

You basically give an agreed upon fair price to the woman/her family for taking her away from the family home. In return you’ll get a woman that’s loyal to you, won’t ever go on “girl’s trips” and definitely won’t try to divorce rape you.

I’m personally against marriage but if you wanted to get married in this day and age that’s the fairest shake you’ll get.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

fair price

Fair as far as the women are concerned and hardly loyal, they are fighting for the right to divorce rape as we speak.

[–]KylieJennersbutthole6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

The maher for girls from middle class families in the west is usually not a steep price. 10k-30k is the ball park. Divorce is looked upon very badly in Islam so women know if they get divorced they’re more often than not seen as damaged goods and their chance of marrying a HVM are very low.

As always though, AWALT is the number one thing a man should keep in my mind when thinking about marriage no matter the religion, cultural background, age etc.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

IDK, I guess 10k-30k is reasonable for a lifelong prostitute but at one point in my life I was sold the idea of marriage to an equal partner and this ain't it.

[–]chomponthebit0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Actually, the bride’s family pays the dowry. They have to pay you to take her

[–]Shiningmesentere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, this is an indian thing, not a Muslim one

[–]aamour13 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

All it does is even the playing field now that everyone has easy access. The funniest thing is up to this day I still don’t get whole “play fight” concept

[–]1BlondeHornyElf13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's when your girl wants to mess around a bit.. she acts up a bit and punches you or pushes you and she gets horny when you play along and pin her to the ground or against a wall or something.. it's not a complicated thing just part of being with a girl sometimes

[–]TenebrisDumplin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find it hilarious that the modern dating market and conceptions of female sexuality actively shit on the very women who pushed them in the first place. It used to be said "It's easy to be a slut, but hard to be a stud". But now men don't need to be studs to have sex, while the value of a woman who's willing to have sex with a man has plummeted. Women have been taught for so long now to have as much sex as they can that the sex market has become oversaturated. A woman can no longer get significant favors or love from a man if she only has sex to offer because men can find women who will gladly have sex with them for fun just with the swipe of a finger. The value of slutty women will likely continue to drop until they either finally own up to their worthlessness and go back to trying to build genuine loving relationships with men without any games or tricks or continue their downward spiral of worthlessness until they become so depraved that we enter a society where women are indeed just objects.

So much for feminism.

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[–]LeoLittlebook29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

He's adaptively sociopathic. You're some combination of clueless about the degenerate US sexual market and cucked. The "man up" sermon is straight blue pill.

> any decent woman she tells about it won’t touch you with a ten foot pole.


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any decent woman she tells about it won’t touch you with a ten foot pole

Might be true, hard to tell, there aren't enough of them to know either way.

[–]LeoLittlebook1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


conforming with generally accepted standards of respectable or moral behavior. of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

He has no case. Note the qualifier "any". He's simply lying. Preselection is attractive and women love a reformed badboy. This one didn't even specify whether he broke an exclusivity agreement.

[–]academicRedditor22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

Behavioral observations ≠ hatred

[–]chomponthebit14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Cheating on all his girlfriends = behaviour

[–]academicRedditor14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not "hatred", still. How is it labeling every behavior you disagree with as "hateful" helpful in any way, when so many variables at play? I am not disagreeing with you: unfaithfulness in a mutually agreed-monogamous relationship is wrong... but labeling it as "hateful"? How isn't that smearing?

[–]Bigusdickus202014 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

Honor is as social construct that most men don't follow, so neither should you. Like OP said, there are no rules to this shit. Cheat or be cheated on.

[–]1BlondeHornyElf21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

being honorable with women and even other men has only led me to humiliation after humiliation, disrespect after disrespect... nobody, especially women, actually gives a shit about stuff like that anymore. those days are over.

codes of honor only exist within patriarchy, where men agree upfront to join forces.

[–]BlackendLight5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

There might be consequences but generally its too easy to jump social circles cause theres too many people for this to matter. Maybe if you live in a small town.

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[–]BlackendLight3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too many people in my life did this and didn't care about consequences

[–]yaboyebeatz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lift weights and spin plates Kings, the world belongs to you.

[–]mrbabZ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

She pretty much explained that it's far too easy for a guy to find a hoe to fuck be it online or otherwise. So there's no loyalty.

Hypocrisy at its finest. This shit is literally the other way around.

I'm not that great with women so I'll just quote a chad friend on this one: "Dude, the more women I get to know and fuck, the less incentive I have to get married and commit to a single one".

[–]toolate4redpill10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Women ultimately are products of their environment, when they are lied to and cheated on repeatedly - they develop defense mechanisms. A really controversial statement is simply women's nature is simply a response to men's nature.

[–]1BlondeHornyElf34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol OP is just a bit of a sociopath... the average guy is not shaping the current dating market.

i only became an asshole to get girls after getting shit on enough times. girls complain about narcissists and shit but those are the actual guys they want inside their pussy.

get real.

[–]trollreign4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Except women are the choosers due to men's higher sex drive. Women are not shaped by these men, women CHOOSE these men, so other men adapt to what's successful.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And men respond to women's nature, all under the canopy of current technologies and our biological wiring.

[–]griz3lda3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like you think you're the alpha of an alpha widow. Don't give yourself too much credit, lol. It just sounds like a girl bitching about online dating being "not intimate enough" etc etc, I don't think it's that deep.

[–]DerekMorganBAU[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't care if I am or not, I just pointed out that TRP has a term for bitches who can't get over the dudes that ain't commit

[–]mangimansa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't fully agree with every literal word but check this out u/1pbetter

[–]jessekene1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good read. Revealed a lot. Will take a while to sink in though.

[–]PurpleLemon4de1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like you’re part of “the club”. I’m diagnosed ASPD and the way you’re talking is familiar

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's weird that it took this much pillow talk for this guy to realize this. Everyone knows that women male excuses for the state of dating by scapegoating everything to avoid taking responsibility for themselves.

[–]ChrimsonChin9881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Among the top posts I've read on here, potential sidebar material.

Yep, they are happy as long as they are the ones picking the benefits from a certain system/market mechanic, but once that mechanic is used against them they lose their shit.

Something about having a cake and eating it too.... hypocrisy, yes. Bitches and hypocrisy is like bread and butter.

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[–]4everrekt6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

Is everything okay? Why have such a visceral reaction to a guy on the internet that you don't know?

You may hate cheating, but you probably know as well as I do that if our girl thinks she can snag her favorite celeb, she'll sleep with him to do so. She'd probably do the same with any A Lister, B Lister, C Lister, etc

Where she draws the line is up to her, but pretending that people are bastions of morality is delusional. Similarly, if a 10/10 decided she wanted you or I to blow her back out, in the heat of the moment, it's hard to imagine we'd turn that down. Be real here.

[–]Doomtrack3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think I made my point pretty clear, ANYONE who cheats on someone else is scum. I don't care about your ideology or opinions on dating strategies etc, I simply commented on the cheating part.

[–]imares1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

lmao he's butthurt because he got cucked. end of story. he lost on the food chain. he cant accept the reality, so he lashes out at others instead of improving himself so that shit doesnt happen again.

[–]Doomtrack1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Anyone that unironically uses terms like "food chain" when it comes to dating sucked too many PUAs dicks.

[–]imares0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

thanks for further proving my point. hmu when you can bench double your bodyweight

[–]Doomtrack0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If it took you this long to respond you can't even bench press a syllable intellectually so good luck lmao.

[–]Dan-Man0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

He is being real. Nobody is saying anyone is a bastion of morality. Just because a girl can cheat on you, doesn't mean we should be all blase about it as if it doesn't matter. Cheaters ruin relationships and sometimes lives. That is why they are worthy of disdain and disgust, and may they always remain so.

[–]4everrekt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I see where you’re coming from. My apologies if I made it seem like we should be blasé.

re: being worthy of disdain and disgust: I’m not sure they’re worthy of any type of emotional reaction at all, which is what I was getting at initially.

[–]stripedtanker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cheaters are scum because they don't have the balls to be honest and tell a girl they don't want to commit. They have to lie their way into pussy. I'm all for people that have like 10 partners at once, but only pussies have to tell each partner they are in an exclusive relationship with them. Real men just say nah we are friends but still get the pussy.

It's a good way to see who's alpha or not. Alphas don't have to cheat to sleep with multiple girls at once. Wannabe alphas have to pretend to be in a relationship with a girl to get the pussy.

[–]DownVotesWrongsOnly2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

" That was it. That was the "sting" I felt. The hypocrisy, "


The reason it hurt was because it's true. You can't lobotomize away the moment you got called a whore by a super-ho. That made it undeniable. No pretending otherwise, no hamstering away, no justification about 'amorality' or whatever. Just the truth. And the truth hurts. There are 'rules to this shit', you just can't handle them. Act accordingly.

[–]DerekMorganBAU[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You think I felt hurt that a bitch called me a man hoe 😂

I was confused because she was passing judgement, not because she hurt my feelings.

There are no rules to this shit. It's okay.

[–]Wingflier1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She pretty much explained that it's far too easy for a guy to find a hoe to fuck be it online or otherwise. So there's no loyalty.

This is what I find so interesting/ironic about Western female psychology.

There are tons of loyal guys out there that are desperate to be with a woman, they just don't want these guys because they don't consider them high quality based on whatever subjective criteria they use.

Women want a guy that's in high demand to settle down with them, but the delicious irony is that a guy who's in high demand has no reason to settle down with anybody. They can't see the inherent contradiction.

So they blame tinder hoes, thots, 'Pick-me' bitches, etc, etc, because if they didn't exist then the man that they desired wouldn't have strayed or had more options to explore away from her.

In their mind, every guy up until the 'LTR-material' guy was simply a "learning" experience. Now she's ready for the "real" thing. But there are two things that they don't consider.

Rollo Tomassi talks about this when addressing Tomi Lahren's recent "All Men are Trash" rant on Facebook live. Half the video she spends degrading "Thottianas" and seems to imply that they're taking the good men. But ironically, she was one of those thots in her twenties, now that she's approaching the wall she's pissed off at younger women's promiscuity.

[–]OneTrueQ1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Cool post, some solid points, but eh. We got a different type of OG, fam.

Cognizance of honor, respect, carrying out of contracts, separates us from animals. Those who choose beastial behavior can get abused slaughtered and discarded like beasts.

There are rules to this shit - that’s why I’m justified in breaking your fucking fingers if you steal from me. Living by rules is a part of respecting myself. As it applies to this, if you agree to be monogamous with me and you cheat on me, you’re garbage because you wasted my precious time and valuable commitment. I will throw you away. Because I make the rules when you enter sphere of influence.

As it pertains to this. I agree that women are hypocrites. Most people are dregs in general. Not everyone can be a god. Some of us are intelligent enough to make the choice of discipline leading bringing us closer to the heavens. I pity all those who live in the mud like pigs.

But hey, that’s just me.

[–]Dan-Man-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, keep living like that. It is the mature masculine approach to life and love. Congrats on reaching that stage, it's not easy for most men. Especially these days.

[–]mjladieman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is wonderfully put. Nice post

[–]Dan-Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No there are no rules, never have been. That is why people create principles, philosophies, religions and so on to live by. Because without a foundation you are constantly a ship without an anchor or harbour. Which, by the way, is not a good thing, at least not forever.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great write up. Unique style and good information. However your conclusions was irrelevant and out of place with the rest of the story.

You see, when bitches talk about the guys that came before there are men who they just didn't care much for. Hell, even ex-husbands are treated that way. Of course, she still fucked all of those men, but they didn't mean anything and what's more, "they just happened to be there."

If youve had sex with a woman that means she was at one point into you, yet as the relationship progressed she lost attraction. She hamsters it from her being into you, to you happening to be there.

You have to leave while youre ahead to alpha widow the girl. Or never falter.

[–]fuckitall2k190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is when the epiphany phase kicks in and women realize the price of riding the carousel in their prime years. What's common among these women is that they have a fantastical perception that their femininity is something that can be turned on like a lightswitch; that they can indulge in debaucherous activities in their twenties while using simps as free tickets for anything, and prince charming will come riding on his white horse by her thirties. This is why women are shocked when their options take a nosedive during the epiphany phase, not aware of the biological differences between men and women. The combination of living in a single bedroom apartment, lack of options, and being a single mother or doggy mom drives women to ask this signature question:

"What happened? Where did all the men go?"

Numerous studies have proven that women with high notch counts lose their ability to pair bond with any selected mate and their sexual market value decreases with each Chad or Tyrone she mates with. Their relationship & femininity muscles also undergo atrophy due to the new social order ridiculing feminine women and telling them that "anything a man can do, you can do better", "You don't need a man!", "You go, girl! The world is your oyster!", and "Focus on getting a degree, you got time on your side". It also begets this question: what man in his right mind would want to buy a Corolla with 800,000 miles on it, or marry the bare bones of a post-wall woman with children from different fathers? In both scenarios, it is not a feasible deal because both the high mileage car and women have issues after being used for so long, and the beta male marrying her or buying the Corolla has secured a noose around his neck - he has signed up for a rocky ride that makes the trip to hell looks like a kid's rollercoaster.

The Women Empowerment Movement has - ironically - disempowered them, and reduced them to the very sexual objects they claimed not to be. The woman lamenting that everything is easily accessible proves another point: anything that benefits a man is considered misogynistic in a gynocentric fempowered society, and nobody bats an eye when women do the same. The illustration of "Ms. America" perfectly encapsulates the self-fulfilling tragedy that is the modern woman. The very system that gave women sexual liberation and rights to their womb via birth control (i.e. My body, my choice) has screwed them over in the end, as they realize that there is no "prince charming", and the dreams proposed by the Womanist Movement was nothing more than a pipe dream. The modern woman, when she's done with her "strong and independent" persona, spends her nights crying herself to sleep - taking a cocktail of antidepressants and other pills to prevent suicidal thoughts from taking root. With the father out of the picture, her sons will grow up with no masculine role models in sight, eventually becoming gender-confused emotional time-bombs waiting to detonate. Without the masculine role model, the boy never learns what it takes to become a man, and the destruction of civilization follows shortly thereafter.

In short, by trying to imitate masculine men, womankind has declared herself inferior.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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