Good morning, TRP. Open your notebooks, today we are going to learn a very important lesson: never trust women or bluepilled men to give meaningful support for anything. They have been so indoctrinated by years of feminist culture that they can think of literally nothing else. They are robots. If they detect that you're not in line with feminism, they will put aside any empathy for your problems and attack you instead.
Which is what happened to this guy on AskMen. If you read his OP and comments, he is starting to wake up to reality and realize that women have made him miserable.
I don't want to be anything. All those terrible experiences have left me fucked up in the head. I can never trust women. I will never get married or have children.
Guess what his comment score is at. That's right, -20. And while AskMen has long been known to be comprised of 50% women adn 50% card-carrying betas, the responses to his politically incorrect posts were pretty remarkably vitriolic. According to a proud white knight who rode in to slay this horrible OP beast:
Your problem is seeing it as the fault of "women" rather than as the fault of those who caused the problems. You're generalizing about women based on what some women have done.
+47
Step one: stop calling us females.
+15. Yes, that's clearly the problem here. Not that OP has been constantly put down by women since high school, not that OP feels alone and has nobody to turn to - no, the problem is that he calls women "females".
If you knew what women say and think about ladies men you wouldn't want to be one.
Yeah, I'm sure women just hate playas and ladies' men. That's why these guys are slaying pussy every weekend at the club. Wait...
Because women don't have a shared consciousnesses. If every woman you meet smells like shit, you need to check under your shoe.
+47. Alternatively, if every woman you meet smells like shit, maybe that's because... every woman you meet smells like shit. Sometimes it is that simple.
Anyway. Short but simple lesson here. Women and bluepilled men cannot empathize with your issues, even if you are a suicidal man who desperately needs help. They will scold you instead for not accepting the feminist party line that all women are special snowflakes and wonderful creatures. The girls behave this way intrinsically, the guys do so because they're on a short leash and they hope that by helping kick down their fellow brothers, they might one day get some pussy. It's a sad cycle.
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His problem is the opposite of narcissism. It's that he spends most of the time thinking and reacting to other people and not paying attention to power or social dynamics.
Just to be a bit pedantic, the term that may be better to describe a person as discussed is egocentric. It is actually quite similar to narcissism, but with some key differences. In my opinion, TRP content can help in calming some egocentric tendencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egocentrism
Might offer some interesting reading.
What troubles me is that if this was a post in AskWomen, and if it was a woman who had been used and tossed away by man after man, and if she had called a suicide hotline, and they told her to fix her shit and "Woman Up", the entire fucking Internet would collectively lose its goddamned mind.
Banks of servers would fucking ignite spontaneously and explode. Thousands of miles of fiber optic cable would shatter. Datacenters would go up in flames from the collective outrage made physically manifest.
If you needed any more further proof that men are considered the disposable sex, this would unequivocally be it.
How about a social experiment? Wait a few weeks and do exactly that under a throwaway. See what happens.
Please. Please do this! If no one wants to I GLADLY will. Please lmk
I have a feeling that the hordes of mediocre, generic, boring and flat people who have lives rotating around pointless trivialities can't stand the idea of anyone trying to be better than them. Like the crabs in a bucket analogy, mediocrity wants to breed mediocrity.
Definitely, just check out the comments on any of the Christine McConnell threads.
Comments (mainly from women) complaining that she's too perfect and making people uncomfortable, +1948 upvotes
I had friends excusing themselves from joining me in the gym because "in the end girls won't like us".
Fuck that logic.
Men promoting the dadbod?
Disgusting
Next would be women promoting mombod/overweight as "normal" and attractive...oh wait.
It's called HAES (Healthy At every Size) and Fat Acceptance. It's already here. Fucking lazy fat bitches.
Fuck those friends too bro. Honestly that mentality scares me.
No, fuck that mentality
Feminists (and women in general) have pushed their agenda as far as they have because they stick together and hold formation when faced with adversity.
Us MEN need to start doing the same if we want to make any kind of change.
Leaving or throwing other men to the wolves only diminishes us as a gender.
If all you really want is just another hole to stick your dick in then fuck those friends who don't get it.
If you want more than that (ie. broad societal change) you need numbers, not casualities.
May I just say this?
FUCK MEDIOCRITY
That single sentence could be the tagline of reddit.
You can say that again. Hell, reddit doesn't even allow for salary negotiations for employees now. Mediocrity at it's finest.
Well, they always say the best way to move up is to move out.
It's so ironical to me, that they fail to recognize that they are dwelling so deeply in their own narcissism by bathing themselves in their self-righteousness and their self-percieved higher morality.
What a bunch of laughable idiots.
That made me angry. First of all, unless you're a doctor shut the fuck up about diagnosing mental illness. Second of all, the guy came in saying he had shit self-esteem and their solution is to accuse him of being...self-absorbed?
If he was really a narcissist he wouldn't be in that thread seeking your approval, asshole.
"Accepting mediocrity" got me going too. What the fuck is wrong with shooting for the stars, wanting to be something better than fucking mediocre? This is the same fucking crabs-in-a-bucket mentality that holds so many men back.
It's a rationalization. We hate weakness (except when it's complemented by feminine beauty), so we find an acceptable reason to hate.
We may viscerally hate his weakness, but we consciously convince ourselves that he is not weak at all, but rather the opposite. This is obviously most pronounced in women and feminine men. Men with masculine minds will not hate him, but recognize him for what he is.
He's tremendously strong for fighting back against depression and for seeking out help. I don't understand how anyone could see him as weak, but the feminine imperative is a twisted thing.
what the fuck has happened to america
This comment has completely shocked me. Are there really people that accept mediocrity?
I had to re-read that quote a few times and that shit still doesn't make any sense. "Your inability to accept mediocrity troubles me." What?
Makes you wonder how many of these armchair psychologists are really working for pharmaceutical companies trying to get more customers
LOOOOL ! Is that even a serious answer ? OMG I'm dying !
Let's see, would I rather get laid with beautiful women that didn't like me, or be stuck in the friendzone and get laid once every 5 years to the first fat woman who took pity on me? What a tough choice.
The funniest of the whole thing is how that same person will say "don't generalize women!" while in that post admitting that they judge and generalize all men they think are "ladies' men".
If he knew what women think of hot ladies men he would definitely want to be one.
I laughed at this:
Right because the term female is so offensive.
Female
Definition: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.
You know what, I say we go back to calling them bitches and hoes, and if they behave really good, we can call them broads, but if they behave really bad, we call them cunts. Deal?
Yeah, that's where having women answering Ask Men really goes south.
Oh shit, that's true. It just hit me, it's a sub about asking men things and yet the women are answering the questions and setting the tone. Ironic lol.
It's why a place like TRP will always be necessary even if the whole thing isn't to everyone's taste. It's the only way to make sure there's at least one place shit like that doesn't happen.
They have a woman moderator, and frequently comments from women are voted to the top. Going there isn't asking men at all, its asking women but with slightly less crying. Slightly.
Penis envy bro, they've got the key to our bp society between their legs and they still want more.
........AND I would add that i don't hear any men complaining that askMen is no longer "safe".
Thats because most men arent sniveling pussies. Protect me from myself!
It's unbelievable the mods allow that to happen.
Why just look at the pretty feeeemale icons for feeeemale users! We're good men who make women feel like home in our space!
Stop calling us females! Ugh!! Its so degrading ,like we're just some animals in the wild.
meanwhile.... SHUT UP WHITE CIS MALE
What does "CIS" mean? I'm curious , it's not the first time i've seen it. It probably doesn't mean Commonwealth of Independent States , does it?
It's just feminist newspeak for "normal". As in a person who is not transsexual. Meaning, depending on the estimates you read, anything between 99.98% to 99.998% of the population.
It's short for cisgender; having a physical body that matches the gender you identify as.
EDIT: For the record, I don't see anything wrong with having a word that means the opposite of transgender, and I'm not sure why you guys are making such a fuss about it.
It hurts a little that a term for that even exists.
It used to be called "normal". Apparently that's offensive.
That's why they invented it ;D
And it's usually used the same way racists use nigger
A term for everything exists. Thats how describing something works.
Funny how a decade ago we only had 2 genders
We still do. But sometimes gestation goes wrong and since fixing the brain is impossible at this point, we fix the body.
In other words, someone who is not delusional about their sex.
Oh fuck, that's an entirely different can of worms.
That's very interesting. Thanks! I wouldn't have figured it out.
It's a term borrowed from Organic Chemistry oddly enough. Like a molecule can be a cis or trans isomer.
The real word for this is "normal" but then trans and other would have felt "not normal" and offended
Can't we just use the word "normal".
Cis is the opposite of trans in chemistry. I guess that's where it came from.
CIS used to describe someone whose gender identity matches their anatomical gender at birth. So a non-transsexual male (or non-transsexual female).
isomers of molecules in chemistry: cis has two groups of atoms on the same side of the molecule, trans has them on opposite sides.
So I'd expect normal (boys like girls, girls like boys) to be trans and homo to be cis. But the usage is reversed by those who use it in this context: cis is normal, trans is homo / transsexual / whatever other weirdness.
It means normal from the point of view of non normal people.
Cis is a word SJW's use that they pinched from Chemistry.
In chemistry terms Cis and Trans Isomers are mirror images of each other. Fun fact, only one form of Thalidomide (the Cis one I think) causes birth defects, the other does not.
Anyway, because SJW's are retarded, they latched onto Cis, because they were trying to sound smart and wanted new terms to call people who weren't trans, other than "normal"
With you in spirit but you're confusing cis and trans with (R) and (S) stereochemistry. The latter is the set of mirror images you're thinking of while cis and trans are positional isomers with R groups on the same side (cis) or opposite side (trans) of a double bond or ring face.
A related fun fact is that administration of either (R) or (S) thalidomide as a pure compound to avoid toxicity is likely to be in vain because the drug racemizes in vivo, meaning the body converts it to a mixture of both (R) and (S) thalidomide naturally .
You are correct, and it's been many many years since I did Uni chem.
You guys are pretty smart to know all these things. Cheers
Yeah, cunt needs to make a return. I feel like it's never been more applicable.
You can say that again. They are constantly looking for a reason to feel offended.
Nowadays you can't even say 'female' without an estrogen-fueled frenzy of butthurt and crocodile tears from these vagina-carrying-retards. Might as well just call them cunts.
Exactly. Female is the scientific term, it is ENTIRELY neutral. There exists no gender term that could possibly be LESS offensive. As soon as I got bitched at for saying "female" I decided cunt needed a return. Entitled loopy cunts.
neocunts because not even cuts would get why female is offensive
Someone reported your post for sexism. That gave me a chuckle.
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Yep, my best mate is cunt, so is my next door neighbour, and my drinking buddy is also cunt.
You would want to meet my boss, he is some cunt.
Haha, it's near the top of my list. You guys are just so fucking far... like, in order to make it really worth while I need to figure out a way in my schedule to stay an entire month. As a US citizen that is pretty much impossible.
They say it in game of thrones all the time (the books, even HBO isn't brave enough to kick that beehive). My personal favorite remains "Myrish swamp".
Cunt is one of my favorites.
There is a scene in In Bruges that you would love then, I think they broke a record for the usage of cunt in a movie scene.
I'm from Australia, where you call your friends cunts and your enemies "mate"
Thundercunt is my personal favorite.
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Oh I do.
Years ago girls would get upset by it. Then I changed one thing. Now, when they look at me in shock I don't look away at all, I stare straight back with a shit eating grin. They eat it up :)
cunt is reserved for a very special type of...female. It would lose its value if you just called us all that! then what would we call the ones that really are fucking cunts??
Ankle.
It's about two feet below a cunt.
You are underestimating the number of females who "really are fucking cunts". It's the majority. Majority means more than 50%. Granted I think only 20% or so are by nature, the rest it's from ignorance. Doesn't really matter though, cunts a cunt.
Does that bother you? I think this sub should merge with whatever sub is out there that say ALL guys are liars, cheaters, and only care about getting their dicks wet. Both just love to generalize the other gender so i think you all would get along well :)
Shouldn't bother anyone. For example:
All human beings lie. All of them. You tell at least one lie everyday, that's just human nature. White lies mostly. Technically this applies to everyone and is a valid generalization.
The problem with that is the word "only", but the rest it true, guys DO care about getting their dicks wet, but we also care about a bunch of other important shit, like work, money & finances, hobbies, life, whatever. So once again, it's almost a correct generalization, but misconstrued.
Generalizations are based on statistical likelihood. Some are statistically accurate, some are not. You want respect from men? That's easy: don't be a cunt.
That's this sub too, red pill ideology states that all people are self-motivated and will 9 times out of 10 violate their own flimsy moral code if given the right incentives, the only way to not get screwed over by these men and women is to understand the system of incentives so that you don't get burned.
What? That you didn't know the majority of females today in the US are cunts?
That 20% or so are by nature?
That the rest are due to shear stupidity?
You should learn to provide context for your questions as well, I'm not a mind reader.
Call them fucking cunts like you just did. Some girls manage to not be cunts, others seem to have it as a lifestyle.
Fuck.... i'm Australian, we call everyone that here! shit cunt is the special label we reserve for those that need it.
Laughed at this. I like the idea
Pretty soon, the term woman will be offensive to them. If you call them anything, they will take offense.
Maybe I am out of the loop, but didn't the word womyn surface a while ago? Because the man part is offensive?
I think that one has been around since the 60s or 70s
Since women have often referred to other women and girls as "females" in my presence (and probably also outside my presence) I won't bother following any instructions not to call them that.
there is no fucking way that even the most retarded cunt out there could possibly get offended by that term. reddit constantly lowers my expectations for shit people
You have to admit, calling bitches females is kind of weird.
Meh....depends on the context I guess. If you want to say "women and girls" it's faster to just say females. For example:
Sounds a lot better than:
See what I mean? Female or male captures both young and old alike, whereas woman or man only captures adults and girl or boy only captures young.
I see what you mean and I agree if you're pressing in a more formal, scientific way, yeah females is appropriate. I never say females in everyday conversation unless I'm joking like, "look at those fine lookin' females over there" or something.
What should people say?
Wench?
Obviously the only proper term to address a woman is "M'Lady". *Tips fedora.
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Pretty sure she just meant it's weird
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It can be both adjective and noun from the definition, google "female definition":
adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.
noun
a female person, animal, or plant.
Grammar Nazis? More like grammar Feminazis.
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In the immortal words of our fallen friends at r/FPH: FOUND THE FATTY.
You know what was priceless?
Walks into TRP and tries to use standard feminist shaming tactic of labeling guys as "weird" and "creepers" LMAO
Like we give a fuck lol
girls can be weird as fuck and creepers, too...
Take your shaming terms and fuck off with them
Fuck off woman. Go find somewhere else to bitch.
False. Creep as a noun is used almost exclusively to define men that give off unwanted sexual attention or appear to be considering unwanted sexual attention.
Some Red Knight needs to get that boy over here right now.
Already done. That man is ready to be unplugged.
Yeah, just couldn't hold myself back and went there and wrote him a 'switch' exercise.
I hope he starts lurking here.
I was watching a crappy podcast yesterday with two really hot girls on and this guy gets on with them and asks for advice on things he can do to have more luck with women.
The advice that both of the chicks were spouting as gospel was a straight up one way ticket to being a used and abused beta cuck orbiter that's "like a brother" to all the girls you desire to date.
Women's advice is almost always shitty like that regarding dating. Is it because they get off using orbiter guys and are unconscious of the fact they fuck guys nearly the exact opposite of what they say all guys should be like?
It's because when they give that advice they are imagining a certain guy, who they really want to be sweet to them - he's a famous athlete over 6' tall with 6 pack abs, 8 figures income, an 8 inch dick, and a huge string of women he pumped and dumped that he never cared about until he met her.
Yeah, they imagine the perfect alpha and then their wildest fantaisy is to gain power over him and to break him. What they describe is them succeeding in that.
This is the plotline of every bored housewife romantic fiction. Pride and Prejudice, Twilight, and 50 Shades of Grey come to mind.
This is what all women will try to do to every single one of us.
A woman just wants to be able to break a man's will. Her dream is like a music video I saw once....the singer literally had buff studs in leather bow over and hold each others arms shoulder to shoulder just so she could walk on them like a side walk of buff men. That is what women dream of.
Most romance fiction follows the same theme of domestication and subjugation of the wild male by the female through use of her sexuality.
It's the female version of the Hero's Journey.
I thought 50SoG was about a female being dominated by a male. I haven't read it but people say it's a very redpill book.
hahahahahahahahahahhahaha yeah sure redpill
it shows what women fantasize about. They want a billionaire to somehow fall for them even though they are nothing special and dominate them. It shows red pill realities with blue pill reasoning.
If it's anything it an blue pill example of what not to do.
Jesus effing christ you just described my ex wife. Where was this advice 6 years ago.
If one doesn't know, he is a victim. If he knows, he is responsible.
Now you know.
Then eventually grow bored at the remaining carcass of a man and divorce-rape his ass
Don't forget that he also manages to find the time to give her all the attention she could ever desire in between all the training he'd have to do to maintain his position.
Doesn't matter, even if he's like that, they will still get bored of him if he acts like that. Nobody is to blame for this though, this is nature and we evolved this way for good reasons. I believe many societies and many people tried to fight this nature of things and none succeeded so why not just do what works.
Because all males are exactly like that. (there are some other invisible creatures around, but who cares about those)
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Don't post reaction gifs in this sub.
That's why you ask a fisherman how to catch a fish, and not the fish itself. A fish will tell you the best way to catch it is to come by the fishing hole every day and throw food in, and eventually (read: never) it will let you catch it. A fisherman will tell you that they usually bite on worms, but a good spinner will get em too
I think I'll use a spinner. I don't want my worm bitten.
I only use plastic worms for these hoes
I feel like a spinner when I swim naked
Was waiting for the "ask a fisherman" line, but you extended it brilliantly.
Women want the naturals, hence the whole "hide your efforts" from the laws of power. Asking for girl advice automatically places a guy out of that group. The girls can genuinely like him and want to help him, but their advice will be in the context of helping him be a better beta, since he has outed himself as a non-alpha.
This. Artifice (makeup, angled photos, heels, pushup bras, etc) is encourage in the sexual market, but only if you're a female. When males try to artificially pump up their market value (lifting heavily to gain muscle, putting lifts in their shoes for height, consciously adjusting their behavior to be more attractive) they are vigorously shamed - indeed I believe this is one of the main reasons TRP gets shit on so much. Perhaps it, like most things, has a biological root; women don't like the idea of being tricked into getting pregnant by beta sperm.
I don't ask the cow which steak would taste best, I ask the butcher. Why would I ask a woman how to pick her up? Ask someone who gets girls how to get girls.....how is that a complicated idea?
But if it's flipped around men I don't think give terrible advice to women. Women also give terrible advice to women come to think of it. All the chicks with obnoxious boob jobs that make a mockery of real breasts most likely asked too many women for advice.
Maybe this is in the eye of the beholder, but I really don't like fake tits anymore. When I was 11 and they looked huge in playboy, it seemed great, but in real life, they're unnatural and off putting.
Give me real ones even with a little sag rather than balls under skin.
I knew this one chick with nice A tits that were full and went perfectly with her skinny frame and awesome ass that hypnotized you when she walked.
Then I went gambling a couple hours away from my town and went to a strip club afterwards and I found out she worked there. While getting lap dances from her she told me that she was was getting a boob job in a couple weeks. I begged and pleaded with her not to do it because she was young, hot, didn't need them, had ass and legs for days and already was a 8.75/10 in my book. But she insisted this boob job was going to be great and the surgeon was just so talented and giving her a good deal on them.
Well, fast forward about 3 months and I go gambling again and go to the strip club againafterwards to celebrate with the winnings.
Then she came out and saw me and I saw her, new boobs and all and she put her head down and walked real quick into the back. But eventually she had to come out for her stage dance and I could tell she was really embarrassed by them and I think she was crying in the back after she saw me because she remembered me begging her not to do it. This surgeon that did this atrocity should have been next in line after Saddam's hanging. She eventually came and talked to me but we ignored the elephant in the room (her completely fucked boob job) because no one with a straight face could honestly say "oh yeah, those are so much better than before".
I honestly felt bad for her. The tits were rock hard obnoxious D size tits that would not even move if she did jumping jacks on a trompoline, they looked like two grapefruits were implanted under her skin stretched so tight and thin you could put a light up to her tits and read the implants bar code, the tits weren't even in the right place and looked as if the surgeon created a parody of the worst possible tit job ever accomplished by the shittiest surgeon on planet earth. Not to mention the fucked up highly visible butcher job scars he left under both grapefruits that didn't move.
They were just horrible looking on her skinny frame and she knew it too. The surgeon must have really sold her a line of BS about how awesome he was.
TL;DR: 8.75/10 chick gets knocked down to a conservative 4.5/10 thanks to the help of a "talented" surgeon performing a hack job on a 23 year old stripper that was already gorgeous to begin with.
That sort of thing is truly sad.
I know it seems a leap, but I feel the same way about older women having facial plastic surgery. Why can't they accept becoming an elegant wise grandma that people love and respect, rather than a strange looking freak who is obsessed with her young sexual days...?
I don't come here to feel emotions, but this made me legitimately sad...
Because men give very simple advice, and women hate hearing that advice. They think it's sexist but it's just the honest truth.
Never ask a woman for advice attracting women for the simple fact that it already shows her you aren't capable of it yourself and thus are pitied
No. It's because they want an alpha. If a woman had to find a beta, get in a relationship with him and then mold him into an alpha then that would make her the leader of the relationship and therefore the alpha. Any man that woman must make alpha is not alpha at all. So they shit test to find real alphas. Feminism is one giant cultural shit test and if you pass you're giving tons of women tingles.
Since my red pill journey really took of a few months ago I've had tons of women freeze up in a convo or while making out and just look at me and say, "You're different..." Their reproductive strategy is working. Any man who passes shit tests is instantly hot.
This freaked me out the first five times it happened.
Now I just grin with amused mastery, and say "You have no idea."
Holy fuck. This happened to me not too long ago, i was so confused but now i get it
I just had an epiphany. Thanks man! My sister is trying to mold her bf into a man and I now know why she's failing.
Shit tests are just a subtle way to determine if you're going to be the leader. They're annoying as fuck but necessary because if you have to be taught how to be a leader, you aren't the alpha she's looking for. It's also why men don't shit test, just next. You don't need a subtle way to determine if she's going to be the leader because that implies you already have no power.
What got me to this sub was a combination of reading about reddit closing subs (and possibly this one) and someone mentioning that I've been shittested but didn't even realize.
I didn't like the idea of shit testing at first, but now after reading the sidebar and kind of processing stuff, I think I can handle it better.
Attractive women are going to shit test, because they're considered a "prize" in our world, so as men might as well take the prize and the status that goes with it. Not so much to be with her because she's so special, but because she's rather just a tool to utilize for a man's benefit and happiness.
Women are unaware of what turns them on, they only have The Hamster to rely on, and The Hamster is a fucking Jedi Master : "This isn't the 'nice guy' you're supposedly looking for, go flirt with Chad Thundercock over there..."
Edit : shitty bot won't let me link to a TRP thread, and archive.today is out of bounds thanks to my company's firewall. Look up "women don't know what turn them on" on google and choose the TRP link for the article I was trying to link to.
Dude I was talking to this girl on tinder. Following the "how to date online" post that was prompted on trp a few days ago.
got her number within 5 messages, immediately got the conversation off tinder.
asked her if she knew any good skinny dipping spots, she laughed but responded saying she wasnt going to get nude that easy.
but she texted me regardless.
i invited her to go run with me, she was out of town but is going to when she gets back (she says without me asking her again).
then she says that im really demonstrative.
yeah, well youre the one texting me back and sending smilie faces.
I point that out even and she laughs and says touche. then i cut the conversation short after that til she gets back in town.
women dont know what they want at all. look at their actions not their words.
If you ask a woman for advice, you're showing your intent (to take instructions from women). You've already shown her you don't want to carve your own path, so she'll help you carve a path that best serves her needs.
I miss Patrice's dating advice. He was the most redpill guy I have ever seen, he was OPENLY redpill too. He would say this shit to women's faces and eventually they'd reluctantly agree. He was honest as fuck. He knew what was up and told it like it was.
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No, Dad, that's an empty hook with no bait on it.
This is all advice on how to build a better beta. You say this, and we translate it, as men, as "make sure you will be able to provide for me and buy me things. It doesn't get more beta than that. Most women would rather fuck Brad Pitt on a dirty mattress in a small apartment, than fuck a pot-bellied "dad bod" beta at a 5-start resort.
That's the difference between men and women. "Caring" takes place in the mind and requires no actual effort. It's like women saying they "care about" the starving children in Africa; caring takes no effort at all. Women care, men do.
More terrible, terrible advice from women about how to attract women.
Sweetcheeks, listen...most of the men here are are because they've been doing just this their entire lives. Confiding in women, whining to women about their problems, trying to be "emotionally open", talking about their "feelings"...and here, you tacitly admit that, while you will be "ears", you won't actually offer a man any real damn advice on how to fix his problem. Unlike women, men don't bitch about things just for the sake of bitching about them; we want solutions. And if you aren't going to offer any, random discourse is masturbatory and only serves to make a man look pathetic.
Men, this is why you do not confide your problems in women, that's what your male friends are for. Your male friends will actually care enough to offer support and solutions. Women will just cry about it along with you.
Of course women like to manipulate the thoughts of men. Women have been doing this since the beginning of time. The problem lies wherein the woman becomes the leading voice in the relationship and starts making the decisions, rather than giving input on a man's final decision. When a woman can completely control a man, he becomes emasculated in her eyes, and the woman will eventually see him as disposable.
Men, completely disregard the mental musings of this particular hamster. Listening to shit advice like this is what got you here in the first place.
You proved his point. All your categories are Beta caregiver attributes combined with "talking."
These increase the man's value as a workhorse to a woman. They do NOT increase a man's sexual attraction in the eyes of a woman.
Kindly fuckoff M'lady.
ooo m'lady. I like that. b-b-but....those do increase sexual attraction...I think you guys are a little confused...Im pretty sure the men that are getting all the women you guys want aren't on reddit to begin with. i really dont know what kind of hoes you guys are dealing with that acting like a dick who doesnt give a fuck about anyone but himself attracts them..maybe I just like the betas then...sigh. And those things dont really have anything to do with being a workhorse to a woman...more just being a valuable member of society....which if a man increases his value DOESNT THAT INCREASE THE SEXUAL ATTRACTION? yes, it does...Im thinking you guys are just messing around with airheaded girls who just want a guy that gives them the best orgasm.
Are you aware there is a difference between
"Likes" and
"Makes me wet?"
Of course you like little Beta pets. All women like them. They just don't want to fuck them. TRP is not about being a dick but about being a strong, masculine man who is not a pushover. You are so steeped in female supremacy you equate "being a dick" with "being a confident strong man."
of course they fuck them. what in goodness...do you know how many guys have gotten laid by acting like the nice guy???? plenty. "beta pets" "makes me wet". jeez i thought this sub was about improving yourself as a man, not how to make a girl fucking wet. If thats the objective of you people then i will kindly fuck off. Looks like i was the confused one..also you can meet all the points i made on my list and still be a strong confident man...idk why you think thats not possible
This is how to be a provider 101. Your numbers 1 and 2 are literally "buy me things". 3 and 4 are "don't be so unattractive I can't get wet at all anymore". 5, 6 and 7 are means to dominate him so that you can be secure and ensure numbers 1 and 2 don't go away.
I am willing to bet that if someone demonstrated your numbers 3 and 4 strongly then you would cease to care about the rest for a while. These are the parts that actually get your panties wet.
You are so right about everything. And i mean...if your username has any truth to it...then...maybe we should continue this in private messages...
Talk is cheap, sweetie. PM some pics and location and you might get somewhere. I love pillow debates, but you have to promise keep the feisty up.
I fucking hope so, if it was as easy as doing what every other beta did to try and get girls all the girls would be taken and the world would be a boring beta brewed bitch fest bro. It's already almost that bad.
"If you knew what women say and think about ladies men you wouldn't want to be one."
Genuinely made me laugh. It's right up there with "money doesn't make you happy".
they say all that stuff while sucking the cocks of the ladies men.
Money buys freedom, freedom can create happiness. - Dan Bilzerian
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Glad to see you on here. Consider learning the core fundamentals of RP theory for your own knowledge. You will then decide if any part of RP knowledge is worthwhile for you, and subsequently if you want to incorporate any part of RP into your life.
This may also be of some interest to you. I found it very interesting and the understanding stuck with me over the years: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/10/13/jumpers
I also posted to your thread before TRP picked it up, and I will reiterate:
One more thing is for you to get your metabolism, sleep, hormones, nutrition, exercise, etc. under control.
I highly recommend everyone reading this thread to completely disregard this in its entirety. This shouldn't need an explanation, but I will give a rudimentary one:
No worries about your health coverage and your teeth are perfect.
Concierge health care service and any other service you could think of.
Unlimited bitches (paid for), and you can buy whatever you want.
Don't have to work, can make your own business.
Anyone tells you something you don't like, you can say "fuck you" and walk away to a life where everyone pampers you and does what you say because you have $.
If he's man enough this experience will change him for the better.
I feel like when we see stuff like this someone should send the guy some kind of invitation to TRP.
Who says it didn't happen already ?
hey who better to invite him than chad thundercock himself
And believe me, the guy is on his way to Truth Land. He is aware of his fuck ups and that he must fix them. I hope he keeps lurking.
This is why you don't ask for sympathy. Ever. Because the average man or woman's sympathy for a hypothetical female with an abstract problem is higher than for real you with a concrete problem.
People get sympathy according to how much they are valued. Since women have inherent, biological value to the tribe (they can have babies), they retain at least some value no matter how much of a train wreck they are. Men are only valuable to the tribe because of what they can accomplish (sperm is cheap).
If you show weakness by asking for sympathy, you will demonstrate weakness, and therefore be seen as unworthy of it. The more severe your problem, the more you will be seen as unworthy, and the less sympathy you will receive.
Here's what you do instead:
As a parent with difficult teenagers, I would have expected there's lots of help out there for us going through a famously difficult phase of raising young'uns. I am having some problems with my younger boy, and I wanted to reach out.
Well there's no really that much help, and even when it starts out pretty good, it eventually turns bluepill in most cases.
I found reading this sub helpful even though it's about sexing women rather than raising boys.
It's about sexing women because it started as a pickup group, but the mission has broadened.
One of the biggest problems with raising boys today as that, as women's voices have become more and more listened to, and men's voices less and less so, and as acknowledgment of the fundamental differences between the male and female brain has started to vanish from our culture, female behaviour is reinterpreted as healthy behaviour, and male behaviour is reinterpreted as defective or delinquent behaviour.
Proper care of boys starts with respect for the value of masculinity.
What problems are you having?
One problem is that he generally shows disrespect around the house. This I am addressing step by step by building in minor consequences. I used to attribute the mistakes to stress or other things. Now I've concluded they are intentional disrespect, and furthermore, school is about over for this year so I don't have to worry about stress at home from dealing with this bleeding over into problems at school.
Another problem is that he knows I follow redpill-like ideas, and his feminist training at school and especially from the feminist websites he frequents, rejects that. They literally say I am a terrible person and even though that's illogical, the mind control is pretty sophisticated. (He doesn't know that I know he reads that stuff and is very big on his privacy these days.) They are psyops designed to drive kids away from fathers like me. I have no bright ideas here other than waiting and being as true to my beliefs as possible, and he'll either come around or not.
There are other family members doing things too, but I don't want to be more specific here.
PS the definition of the group is still that it is a discussion of sexual strategy, and I've seen nothing to the contrary from the mod crew. But we're doing no "worse" than many others with this non-sexual discussion.
Do you mean disrespect, or insubordination? Because these are two different things with two different causes.
In other words, is he violating the social mores for how one human is expected to treat another, or the social mores for how a child is supposed to treat a parent?
You may PM me if you like. (Might take a little while to respond, have a backlog.)
"They are robots. If they detect that you're not in line with feminism, they will put aside any empathy for your problems and attack you instead."
Very true and in all cases, I've seen this post from a girl who got raped and now wanted to have violent sex to relieve it, at some point she said she liked what happened to her, you should have seen the avalanche of hate and accusations (you're sick, twisted, evil, made evil by the rapist, he broke your mind, etc...) on a support forum.
We can establish one simple truth from situations like this. Femnazis loves attacking people. Support forums provide easy targets, a wide selection of hamster wheels updated daily and a recruitment ground full of broken people that they can "fix" (read: indoctrinate).
That's only true if you're talking to white knights or feminist women who think their SMV is higher than yours. If you give her the tingles, it doesn't matter what you think of feminism because she will still fuck you anyway. Women have far less empathy and patience for betas.
Alright but as I've said often to TRP members and with no malice, life isn't all about fucking.
Fucking is the primary biological drive humans have in the first world because we don't need to focus on survival most of the time. It drives a lot of our behaviors, and your SMV is the primary factor that determines how much people respect you.
So Ban Ki Moon leader of the UN is respected due to his SMV?
He's a powerful man, so obviously his SMV is high.
Good god what terrible advice.
I think Bruce Jenner got that advice and took it too literally.
Not even Bruce Jenner would date the tranny version.
brb, getting a little black dress and "fuck me" pumps
In that guy's position, hearing that would probably send him over the edge.
This is the kind of advice that make men act like women.
Skimmed through the comments on that post and I think the guy is remarkably self aware. He explicitly states that he doesn't want to be a "player" for the sex, rather for the validation. This guy needs to read "No More Mr. Nice Guy" stat and stop looking to others to fulfill his needs.
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Oh, hey. You're that guy.
Welcome.
welcome to TRP. Every other place on the internet would rather you be miserable and fit the feminist narrative than have you actually achieve happiness and self satisfaction.
The truth is a bitter pill.
On behalf of all non cunt woman, im sorry you had to go through all that ridicule of bullshit. I plan on posting this on askwoman in a week or so and flipping the fuck out about double standard
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I came from a broken home too - I never met my father and still am not certain to this day who he is. As far as I'm aware, the only name I have, is dead.
I won't lie and sugar coat to you and tell you you'll get where you want to be immediately - hell, I started to have the wool removed from my eyes four years ago (when I first started discovering PUA and the like) and I'm still not where I want to be (a position of power with significant accumulated wealth).
The thing is, right now it is being, "someone you're not", and it'll feel weird, and awkward, and stupid.
But the thing is, you eventually grow into it - and merge it into your current personality. And you don't have to be the loud, confident guy all the time - you can easily be a baller socially sometimes, and other days take it easy, or just be introverted. It's just a skillset you develop to use in an appropriate situation. And once you're sufficiently good, it, like every other skill, becomes unconscious competence. You do it without thinking.
And for the record - I'm short. You can have successful relationships, and ONSes as a short man. You'll have to work a little harder, but it's nowhere near impossible.
Learn to be dominant and commanding, don't take shit. Lift weights - that'll close the gap faster than just about anything else. Remember, 2/3 of men are overweight, so simply not being overweight (f you are overweight, make a plan and lose that weight) pretty much puts you in the top 30%ish by default.
It sounds like you have to rediscover masculinity, and this is a great start to that path.
If you want to truly get good with women, you're not going to ever be able to do it just from reading though. Read, and practice. And it will take months at the very, very, very minimum. More likely a year or so.
Welcome.
I feel like a "female" (ha) version of you. I keep putting shit off cause its hard. Yesterday I had my wtf moment. After work I was dicking around on my phone and realized. I WANTED to excersize. I WANTED to clean my house. I WANTED better. But most of all I WANTED TO BE HAPPY. And your absolutely right, posting on askwoman wont change anything, but it will prove, tangible proof that the standard between men and woman are so askewed and bullshit. If you need to vent feel free to message me. Im on such a high from yesterday I want everone to feel as good as I go but more importantly I dont want anyone to hurt as much as I do.
Thank you for joining us.
Let me give you a quick idiot's guide....
Glad to see you're sticking it out.
FPH has taught me to embrace the title of shitlord. I can only hope this guy will too
That guy seriously sounds like he's gonna off himself...and they can't even suspend the "women are wonderful" effect for 5 minutes to get him some help? Holy shit.
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Nice to see you made it over here.
Start with the sidebar, you have a long ways to go, and a shit load of work ahead. I'm 40, but I know exactly what you have gone through, been there, done that, and it started early on in life for me. You can become well adjusted, you can get women. You are likely looking at a few years to get your head right. For me, I had to do the vast majority alone.
Go to the sidebar, start with 'Confessions of a Reformed Incel'. That one is going to talk to you directly. Some of the terms you won't understand, that's ok.
Start reading, keep reading. There is a wealth of information here. Once you are done with the sidebar, look at the top posts of all time on here, go through those.
When you start reading the regular discussions, pay attention to the people labeled Vanguard and Endorsed.
Shit is going to get better for you.
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Dude. You have no idea yet how lucky you are to have found your way to this sub... IF you go over to that sidebar and start reading.
It will take time, it will take effort, you will have to work for it, you'll have to consume this material until you know it inside and out, and you have to live it.
Put it this way; you've hit the bottom, the only way to go is up, because you've already decided not to off yourself.
Now, less talk, less reading this thread, and go read that sidebar... and brew some coffee, it will be a long night.
You ever need to talk, fire me a message.
I commented this in askmen but it makes more sense here.. you mentioned you had a meh fave there and are 5'5 and balding. I'm 5'6 and this sub saved my life:
You could be 5'1. You could have a burnt face which is horrid to look at. But you arent. You devote effort to making more money, financial stability and confidence can attract shallow women which you can fuck and game without spending hardly anything on them. You could devote effort to getting yourself in shape and by cutting then lifting if fat, or just lifting if scrawny.
You have the power to develop a sense of self discipline and undo the societal indoctrination of 'how a man should be'. Both genders have perceived 'shallow' motives(most of which are instinctual), like many women want someone beta to depend on for income and free stuff, or just an emotional tampon. Don't be the beta orbiter. Be the one that makes them list after your stoic attitude and defined abs. Visit r/theredpill if you want to actually change your life, if not just stop complaining and fill your life with distractions to deal with your meritocracy. Almost all women will easily whore themselves out to a high SMV male. Become one or remain in the bottom 80% of men being conditioned betas by society
Look. You've been sold a crock of lies all your life. Tell a man that, if he sings the right tune and does the right dance on the shore, fish will jump out of the lake and into his hamper and he will eventually come to think of fishing as an impossible task, in the same way you think of getting women as impossible.
We're not altering the song you sing. We're not recommending a different dance. We can tell you how to set up the boat, the fishing rod, which bait to use and how to cast your line. We actually know how women work, and they're not nearly as complicated as mainstream media has had you believe.
But for now, it's irrelevant. Fuck women, work on your body, your mind, your finances and your circle of male acquaintances, friends and colleagues. Read the sidebar, start lifting.
Welcome to reality.
Man, seeing your comment and that you actually made it here made my eyes a little watery.
Hey man I commented on the askmen thread under my regular username, I'm super happy that you found your way over here! Welcome!
your the guy who made te linked post ? if so i welcome you to a better life.
Hi, as someone who was in a similar position to you here's a gentle introduction to what could be the start of a new, difficult but rewarding phase of your life.
Pulled from my bookmarks but you can navigate to the other chapters from this page
Also (if you haven't already and if you can stomach it) scan the webpages in the sidebar links for any articles related to AFC's (Average Frustrated Chumps).....you'll see a lot of your own life in there and know the real reasons why things got so shit.
Happy travels buddy, if you stick around here, read and attempt to implement any of what you read that you are capable of then the next few months are going to be...interesting.
EDIT: be aware I'm not a pussy slaying god and I'm new to Red Pill, but I'm %100 better than I was 6 months ago before I knew it existed.
One less worthless male in their perspective.
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That lesson you learned is a good one but incomplete. No one can/will/wants to help you, except yourself. You shouldn't waste time crying about it you're right. You should use that time to improve yourself. Not for them but for yourself!
The only person who really wants you to be happy, beyond a very small, cursory level, is yourself.
You are on your own.
Don't wish for a lighter burden, wish for broader shoulders and all that.
The line from the dark knight from the joker about not doing something you do well for free really should really be remembered by more people. Most of these people playing dr phil on ask men wouldnt be on there doing it for free if they were good at it. Reddit really is a cesspool of people playing makebelieve sometimes.
Rollo and Dalrock mate. They do it for free and they do it well.
Don't know much about Dalrock, but alas you missed the operative word "Most" in my post. Of course there are exceptions to the rules; they are just that, exceptions. Rollo also has published two books that i know of.
Fair enough. Dalrock writes some good shit, you should check it out.
Going to read some of his stuff this weekend, thanks for the heads up.
Rollo publishes books. Dalrock almost certainly believes he is earning his reward in Heaven. Whether that counts as, "not free", I can't say.
There is something to be said about the pride of knowing you're helping people out, too.
Yes, I do believe you are correct and I was being a touch obtuse. Both of them, while not doing it to their own benefit on an individual level, are benefiting others and exhibiting pro-social behavior. Insofar as they benefit the society they benefit themselves. "What is good for the city is good for the citizen."
Edit: Plus most writers don't write for the financial benefits, but for their own edification, the satisfaction of their own ambition, recognition, and out of pro-social tendencies which most of us do have.
Whilst I think that's true most of the therapists and psychologists you pay for advice are shit too... Listen to yourself and listen to people who can prove they have extensive life experience.
Poor guy.
He will swallow the pill if and when he's ready, or else I'd mention something to him. Not sure if this counts as concern trolling but I feel for the guy being in his position before. Totally worthless of the comments section to be dicks.
I imagine him at the end of his tether, he doesn't know what to do, he's lonely and doesn't know which way to turn. You can see he knows he should do something, but he fury and desperation are strong. He did make the mistake of thinking that someone just telling him it would be okay would help; he needs firm but fair treatment, tough love.
However, he really didn't deserve the bile. The commenters were reacting to his words, not the source. It's obvious they were unable to empathize with this guy at all.
Stopping using the word "females" might, in the eyes of the commenters, help society, but it won't help this guy.
We all know men and women are valued for different things aka utility vs fertility. This is why a deadbeat woman will still have value and have no problem getting men. But a deadbeat man is absolutely the most worthless thing on the planet
It's funny that they can't have carry on like that in this sub. We smell shit at 100 yards and downvote accordingly.
ask man more like boy and ginas I would much rather go to askrp
We smell some of the shit. We disagree somewhat on what is shit and what isn't. I think a lot of what's posted here is shit because it is too easy on manipulative women, actually bluepill in some cases. But not everything like that gets downvoted.
And why do we think there aren't some women on here, redpill and otherwise? Hey I don't care. I am a man, but I don't mind if some women are here, can't stop it anyway.
Subs like AskMen and OneY are just mirror subs of askwomen and twoxc. Instead of just standing up to just how ridiculous and sexist, and anti-male, these places were to begin with, they just decided that the best solution was to mirror their formats for women's convenience(instead of standing up for themselves or demanding an end to sexist subs, they just allowed themselves to be segregated and annexed into mirror subs). It's pretty sad.
Not only is that a ridiculous thing to bring up, because that would literally never actually come into play when he's actually interacting with women directly, but this is clearly an example of her projecting her insecurities and fucked up issues with an apt word onto this guy's situation(or basically, taking an opportunity to use his insecurities and his failures with women to, as a woman, dictate his language).
Seriously though, if you have a problem with the word "female" or "male", as they apply to men and women, you either have some major mental issues or you need to read the dictionary a few more times. Stop projecting some kind of patriarchal oppression whenever someone refers to a woman as a "female". Secondly, stop presenting your personal issues with that word as if was some kind of sacrilege that all women have unanimously chosen to deem offensive. Not all women are so needlessly "triggered" by the word "female".
Also, if that guy was hot as fuck, he could be calling women "females" left and right, and women would be loving it because it's coming from a hot guy(or, at the very worse, he would still be doing well in spite of it). Using the word "female" is not the issue, and it's intellectually dishonest for you to claim that it is(not only does it show that you have absolutely no understanding of the issue and that you clearly have a major lapse in empathy towards that guy, but it shows that you are willing to use his particular misery to push your own agenda instead of actually addressing the issues at hand).
That argument always makes me laugh. "If the greater majority of women treat men like shit, then clearly there is no problem because the majority of women say so". That's like saying there was no racism problem in the early days of american history, because the majority of the population didn't think there was a problem. The reality is that women do get away with bad behaviour, and that no one actually holds them accountable for that behaviour because they are women. The fact that there are enough men out there who will just bend over backwards to accommodate them, or to subjugate themselves for their benefit, doesn't change that fact.
Why are females even allowed to comment there, its called askmen aka you want a mans opinion..
When i was a user there i asked this question many times and basic some of the female users said to me that they want to post in some place, but they think Askwomen is crap, so they answer in AskMen. That's one of the reason i stopped going there, it is really not a male space.
Kinda like going to the bank to get financial advice and having the janitor trying to talk over the banker.. Nobody wants their advice, so why even?
Because the feminist objective is to infiltrate every mans space there is. Then hijack the narrative through beta male collusion. Those spaces that cant be co-opted will be shut down as hate speech. If you cant win the debate just drown out the opposition.
The final line is very hopeful:
I have been laughing since yesterday. I have lots of thinking and growing up to do.
He is right on. He needs some better thinking and some growing. And we can help.
(when someone announces they are at a decision point like this, the whiteknight shills typically jump in in force to steer them away from actual help.)
Perhaps we should offer some help to /u/diablo1988 on how he can actually improve his experiences and results with women, some thinking and ways of growth. But I don't have experience dealing with suicidal people so I am asking for advice on that idea here.
He's found his way here, likely because of your tagging. I was honestly going to do it myself. I can relate to this guy, I've been in his position.
Great, and welcome to you /u/diablo1988. Please let us know how we can help or just hang around and lurk or chat. We don't want to lose you!!
His problem is clearly that he's just not accepting the indoctrination passionately enough.
If he would, then POOF. He'd be in utopia, along with all these 35 year old divorcees and 20 year old single moms with three kids.
Don't really see why you cited this is as poor advice. If TRP teaches anything is personal responsibility and not being a victim.
It's like getting mad at a dog for eating food you left out and walked away from. And then taking that instance (where you are responsible and ignored nature/instincts) and warping it into a hatred of all dogs.
This guy is the female equivalent of a obese tatted up pink haired feminist that complains that men are assholes because they dont want to fuck her or date her. NO. You suck. You are unfuckable. You are undateable.This dude sucks. He is depressing, suicidal, ugly, etc. I wouldn't want to be friends with him let alone expecting a chick to fuck him.
Some people suck and that's the end of the story. You can give 100 people TRP. Some will thrive. Some will still suck ass. That is life.
I think it's bad advice because it's disingenuous.
If a woman had posted a similar problem, she would not be getting responses like that. It would definitely be a case of "where have all the good men gone" and "you're a special snowflake, just wait until you find the right guy!".
Furthermore, the "You're generalizing about women based on what some women have done" is straight up horse shit. What else are you supposed to do? Make assumption about women based on how cats interact with you? This is playing into the idea of NAWALT and that eventually he'll find 'the one'. There are no unicorns and most women act like most other women. Generalizing their behaviour into something you can utilize is essentially what TRP is.
That being said, I basically agree with you. The dude most likely needs to improve himself.
There is no most likely about it. That goes for anyone.
True, and some time in the gym could help clear the depression a bit, so it cannot hurt.
But some tactics (rather than disinfo) would help him too. Look I don't know how hopeless this guy is, but it's not that hard to get a woman's time, a woman's pussy. It's just not that fucking hard. So if he's put in all this effort without more success, he was trying the wrong way.
Learn how, get the pussy, get your rocks off, move on with life -- whether it's career, family, more pussy plates, whatever. But it's not some insurmountable task, much as some bullshit artists (these are typically a certain type of women) want you to think it is.
Once you start really studying how the body works, it's easy to see why a non optimal functioning of the entire body (sleep, metabolism, nutrition, hormones, etc.) will increase the risk of so many negative things including obesity, depression, mental disorders.
It will be a huge boost to have everything running optimally.
I disagree that it is disingenuous. Blame should be assigned to the ones that cause the problems, hypothetically in this case the original OP and the chick for whatever she did (e.g. cheating). Your example is bad disingenuous advice:
Would you give that advice to your sister? No because you are feeding her sugar coated nonsense.
Generalizing and stereotyping is essential to human survival in order to make subconscious decisions about who is a friend or foe. I was all about AWALT for a time period. Interestingly this was during my anger phase. At a certain point generalizing becomes a crutch/problem as your experiences grow. Warren Buffet/Munger write a lot about this in regards to business/investing. As much as this flies in the face of TRP, when you get well past the anger stage and start screening women you will see there are similarities but they are different and there are nuances to all of them. But this is a dangerous thought to an early TRPer. It makes it too complicated. All types of dogs are just "dogs" when you are little. Then you start to recognize different types (small or big). Then you start to recognize breeds. Then you start to recognize attributes of these different breeds. TRP advocates screening women for LTRs. There is a reason for that. Some are better than others.
Something to think about.
All women have vaginas. All vaginas, the hormones associated with them, etc. work the same. AWALT. If a man wants sex or reproduction, he'd better learn how that system works and how to interact with it, from hello to (wham bam) thank you ma'am.
But some women also have brains. And the brains are not the same, just as my brain is not the same as another man's.
I think it's because they're taking his feelings - which he's brought to them in sincerity for help - and thrown them out the window. They don't care, they just see him as repulsive.
He is repulsive. From the OP of that thread:
So this guy CHOSE to avoid relationships because he fantasized about being a player.....but suddenly he is not in control/responsible when it does not work out the way he wanted? Dude is mentally weak and the herd is weeding him out.
Again TRP expects a man to be capable and a emotional strong/stable. This guy is neither and as such got ripped apart (although not exactly for the same reasons I am). This guy needs a reality check, not a gentle massaging of his virginal asshole.
It's called "monk mode" when it's done reasonably. Maybe a few months, six months is OK. Six years is crazy.
Has anyone offered this TRP? Theres' so much "advice" out there meant specifically to steer away from our ideas. The disinfo is intense and sophisticated.
Exactly. He "chose" it for six years? Bullshit. Cognitive dissonance and ego protection right there.
It reminds me of when people get fired and then respond "you can't fire me because I quit".
Fox and the grapes.
There was a bit on the OKCupid data studies that said that ugly women have lower response rates to attractive men than average looking women do.
He didn't choose it exactly, he rationalised that he chose it, because he arrived at a point where his mental health had reached such a low point, that engaging with other people simply wasn't an option. Ego protection, as you say.
I turn down 10's all day. I walk up to the hottest chicks I can find and tell them we are through. So Im rejecting them.
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I don't understand you. You seem to not know what you want. Happiness is not a goal, you are happy by feeling good with yourself and doing things you like.
You don't seem to like nothing, you seem just apathetic and you seem to associate your lack of happiness with the fact that women don't seem to be into you but I think that's not it. You need to improve yourself to feel better with yourself. You also need to figure out what you enjoy doing and fucking do it.
You need to be lifting weights and get your dress/style down to science. If you are not the best looking guy in the room you will certainly be the biggest/most fit/best dressed. Steroids are always an option as well. This will really help set you apart from the crowd.
Lift weights, get your style down, and most importantly focus on your career and kick major ass in it. Channel your anger, frustration, etc into things that create value. Specialize in something careerwise. Go back to school and get a masters/doctorate.
How old are you? It gets easier to land women the older you get.
Join a sport. Seriously do this. Join your local rugby team. Go do MMA/Mauy Thai.
Don't worry about game. Think of everything like business and networking. Talk to everyone you encounter. Random person in the elevator to the person behind the register at the supermarket.
If you lack in one area (that is unchangeable) you have to work on the other areas and really make them stand out. Above should help with that.
And fuck suicide bro. Don't ever quit.
Hey, diablo. most of the men you see on here are people who couldn't win in the dating game through their heights & looks and found other methods.
116k subscribers of people accepting that the dating game is fucked up and there's other ways to succeed in it.
People wouldn't take the time to create this subreddit, make books..entire websites if everything translated to being 6' tall and handsome.
Silly redditor, when you are wounded, crying for help only summons vultures!
This is why guys go shoot up their schools.
To be fair, the guy was being a whiny bitch who always put women and the need for a sexual relationship on a pedestal (no wonder he was disappointed, he wreaked of desperation). He also had a full on victim complex going on, unable to accept that he could in fact make changes to his life to improve himself.
Yeah, cultural disempowerment will do that to a guy. It takes a lot of being "victimised" by your own idiocy before you embrace the anger and use it to cultivate change. Many of us were whiny little bitches before we became angry little bitches and used that to develop strength.
He's already in this thread, he'll be fine..
Nuke that fucking sub from orbit.
Of all the bullshit yesterday, here is a sub of vile fuckwits harassing a suicidal man.
This struck a chord with me. I've always wanted to help those around me. Make people around me become better than they were the day previous.
What many don't realize is that people take advantage of this mentality. It's not that it's right or wrong, but it is just how nature is.
Humans seem to always want to control things. Have things THEIR way.
All humans have (not just women) intrinsic dispositions that they may never come to notice. This is life.
The conventional wisdom that women are compassionate and empathetic is a load of bull and fucking shit. Women love bullying weak, beta males.
Never ask Reddit for advice. That is what I have learned.
Lol, why would you go and become some woman's husband provided that she has fucked a lot of guys that were ladies men, and you yourself are not/ never have been a ladies man?? Doesn't that show that your wife is not attracted to you, since all the men she has had sex with in the past are so different from you?
If he's suicidal, do you think somebody ought to PM him and see if he's alright and maybe try to talk to him? Maybe send him this way? I know spreading TRP is frowned upon, but we don't have much to lose in this situation, personally, and if he's suicidal maybe TRP can give him the knowledge he needs to save himself.
I'll do it, but you can do it too.
Well, if you get raped maybe it's your fault.
Wait..
The part about if every women smells like shit check under your shoe. She's right. He is probably pathetic. Even tho he has been lied to and it's hard to blame him for thinking the world should be like he has been told all his life, he is still not what women want. Hopefully he can open his eyes and stop doing the same shit the keeps failing and fine trp.
The awkward moment that I was actually in that OP's shoes 2 years ago and my depression led me to long-term unemployment.
At least with some weird stroke of luck I ended up here. I'm very thankful for that.
Yet another example of men being considered disposable workhorses by our society. The man is literally suicidal and they simply do not give a fuck. "Oh, you have a gun to your head? Man up, faggot."
lol the way you put it is pretty funny.
But what they're really saying is "Don't you have any pride as a man? If you're stupid enough to think women are 'equal' then just kill yourself. You need to understand women are inferior to you, and you need to take your place above them."
I can get behind those sentiments but I'm not convinced those were their explicit intentions. Perhaps they were thinking it subconsciously, but that's some pretty red pilled shit for a bunch of plugged in betas to be spitting.
Yeah, I agree. But that's what I'm reading it as, as the lesson to take from what they were saying. But maybe it was subconscious too. To me it was just more fuel to the fire, people say TRP is immoral, but honest to God they tried to get this dude to kill himself, and if he just embraced TRP truths he would have known better.
Well, people say TRP is immoral because it clashes with their worldview. At its heart, TRP is just a space where men are teaching each other how to become happier, more complete human beings - there's nothing immoral about that.
I find that most people tend to get enraged about things that conflict with their comfort and complacency, rather than any sort of actual moral qualm. Fatties got mad at FPH because it made them look into a mirror, and what they saw was unpalatable as fuck. TRP is the same for blue pilled beta males; they don't want to be reminded just how short their stick is in life.
Ultimately verboten spaces like TRP, FPH, etc are created as a response to the toxicities of modern society; I'd go so far as to say that TRP probably wouldn't be necessary or even exist at all if modern society didn't devalue and disregard men so harshly.
AskMen is run by feminists and SRS these days as a way of keeping the men of reddit under control.
All the mods are SRS / feminist sockpuppets.
I am certain AskBetas will be banned any minute now for harassment. Any minute now. Any minute...
I wouldn't say this guy was waking up, he did sound like he was having a bit of a pity party and had a pretty immature way of looking at things. Some of the responses were pretty bullshit though, especially the "don't call us females" one. I'm genuinely astounded some people got on board with that. You are a female? By taking this offence to it, you yourself are making it a derogatory term. Fucking ridiculous.
I see women refer to themselves as "Females" all the time...it's almost a parody the way these people find things to be outraged and hilarious how hypocritical they are.
This thread, together with that other one about some guy giving up the idea of love or whatever, illustrates perfectly why young men need powerful role models and mentors from a young age. Not only do we not have that "brotherhood" anymore, everything taught in school is about how men are to be blamed for everything bad.
Some people reach higher steps by moving up on the ladder, others do so by stating the ladder starts underground.
That thread is full of men who will one day be an excellent pension plan.
Pension? More like golden parachute
That's some serious powertalk right there. What she really means is, "I am disgusted by your beta-ness; using that word in that context is not for people like you. You haven't proven that you're alpha enough to me to earn the liberty to call us females. Only women and alphas are allowed to use that term."
I remember calling all women females in front of a feminist, she always got mad.
Responses are so angry because he's actually asking for advice and wanting to better himself. The responders are content in their mediocrity and happy to trying to bring everyone down to their level.
Is it worth reaching out by PM, I wonder?
I dropped him a PM. Sometimes when people reach rock bottom, that's the time to introduce some hard truths.
Ah you're the guy, good work. Someone also tagged him in this thread, he's here now, lower in the thread.
Thanks, you probably brought him over. I think it will go well for him.
His first mistake was coming to the internet looking for emotional support as a man.
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I think advice works better in a group where you are an accepted member, which we have here. That guy comes here, first thing he'll hear is read the sidebar, which basically means, "Read the club handbook. Welcome to the club. STFU about the club" Instead of one or two posts with a bunch of random strangers, he'll get a full battery of information with the support of like-minded peers. Hope we see him around here.
lolwut. TRP is not emotional support.
Venting, sure, but we don't coddle people and tell them that the world is fair.
Learning the truth of the world is also a form of emotional support. Without it, many of us would be floundering around with our head up our ass, miserable as fuck.
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What's been your plan to get better?
Woman is offensive because it is derived from wife-man, implying they're a class of man (human) that is only ever meant to fulfill the role of a wife to the proper humans.
Actually, if you are a man, don't you dare open your mouth as it is offensive due to being an outlet for the cishet fascist patriarchy.
If only women would be able to hold the same level of responsiblity as male society for their fuckups.
Males might learn a thing or two from women when it comes to sticking up for eachother as a gender. By nature we are far more capable of that.
The real efforts that hold this society together go unnoticed for most of the times. Some pull the weight out of virtue and some pull their strings behind the curtains. Those at the frontlines are just whipped for being there. No wonder that so many men go blue pill just to adapt and to survive in current days. Change is too painful, especially with so many facades and comfortzones.
It's a pity and the prize they pay in the end does not benefit them at all. Women are the oppressed gender? Honestly, my respect for their self-reliance and self interest, has grown to the extent that I do not think they need more support from men.
I'm not sure I have ever seen them stick up for each other "as a gender". Each is always out for her self-interest, and often their interests coincide. If they can turn a man beta, they view it as an ecological victory that makes their life as a female much better. They NEED betas to have power.
However their general feeling for each other is hatred, whereas their general feeling for a man who doesn't show beta cues is attraction.
Good analysis, thanks. Still digesting and some pointers into the deeper workings are very welcome.
Have to be peaceful with the fact I cannot contribute that much yet, without working through the theories more.
In my family the men are the sensitive caring ones and the women insensitive and sometimes callous. This guy needs to find support wherever he can preferably from friends and family first. When he gets enough security in himself, then seek a female. He has to learn to be good in himself first or they will just eat him up.
That's generally true. Women are rough. Embrace that and you're 3/4 of the way to interacting successfully with them.
Whatever difficulties you have, realize that other women have it worse. You can go to "easy mode" by introducing a little sexual tension, a bit of natural attraction. They don't have that option and have to face bitch mode from each other, even their "friends", all the time.
Again, the hardest thing for men is to maintain self-esteem before and within a relationship.
Poor guy, I've been in his shoes before. I wasn't suicidal, but I was really frustrated when I was plugged in and didn't know anything. Best advice I got was to lift, but in terms of understanding women, I was usually told to pedestalize them, as long as I looked good enough.
I find it funny that we would be better with handling a man at the end of his rope who is suicidal due to his frustration with women than they would. I only hope someone messaged him and pointed the poor soul here so he can rant.
If you have the mental fortitude and experience then PM those men. Men need other men. Especially ones who have woken up.
I've been in this guy's shoes for real. But hey. Waking up is the best part about TRP.
After a while, it's second nature and you wonder what you ever did before it.
This was me some years ago. Blue-pill-conditioning is really strong for most of us.
I was told the same answers until I met a guy who was a self-made man (very humble and a good friend) who decided to lend a hand in the worst part of my anger phase.
He helped me realize that the problem was that I wasn't doing my best and that things (with women) are simpler than I actually thought.
The way society is going leaves a lot to expect.
Yeah, but feminism is going to free us from the oppressive straitjacket of toxic masculinity so that we can express our feelings. Unless, of course, they're feelings that women don't understand or approve of.
Asks men. Gets blasted by pissed off ugly women. "Stop calling us females" Wow.
yeah don't talk about suicide on the internet, the last time i posted something about it on this sub i ended up in the mental ward for 30 days and when i got out immediately charged with a felony
Reddit is a leftist circlejerk/cesspool. It really has been getting to me but I really only come here for this sub.
OP got downvoted to oblivion and one point that you have quoted are invalid.
Rejection is completely up to the whims to whomever the rejecter is. You don't get guaranteed a chance with anyone.
Some people are not swayed by the influence of the majority on AskMen. Many still want to help OP.
This is exactly it. The fault of your problems will always be on you, not some shared consciousness called "society" or "women". How the fuck does this post have 500+ upvotes?
I don't understand how you guys get such horrible women that you hate all of them. Good women do exist and they are quite easy to find. Unless of course you are an asshole. Ahh, I get it now. Welp, rock in all you alpha males.
Sure, be down on the one place he managed to end up where people actually gave a shit about what happens to him.
Good on you, feel that pride swell in your chest.
I just don't get it is all. Don't some of you have daughters? You want them to be with men who espouse the ideals presented here? That women are just for sex and are other wise evil? And this big alpha male thing? Most guys that act like that are douchebags who I can see right through. One can always tell when someone has low self esteem by the way they act and acting the "alpha male I piss on betas" just screams low self esteem. The most bad ass guy in the room is always the quietest.
Yes, some of the men here do have daughters, and that makes this a very hard pill to swallow indeed.
TRP isn't exactly what you make it out to be. Yes there are pick up artists, and guys who puff their chest out and play the game. That is not the end result of TRP, it is an imitation.
Our society is very feminized these days, and from a young age, starting with our mothers, to our teachers, our media, everything around us teaches us to treat women with kindness, sensitivity, to listen carefully to their feelings. This is what the majority of us grow up with, we're surrounded by it on a daily basis all our lives.
Fathers are not respected by society any more, they haven't been for a long time. This too we can see all around us. It is increasingly rare to see men portrayed in a fair light, we are usually portrayed as fumbling idiots required to be lead by the nose.
No man is pure alpha, no man is pure beta. We're all on a spectrum that puts us somewhere in between.
Women do not view men the way we have been taught. TRP is about knowledge, it is about how women actually see men, how they relate to men. TRP is also sexual strategy, about what women respond to, as opposed to what they say they like.
When you see angry men on this sub, it is because they are in an anger phase. This forum is a male space, so the people here hold back a lot less than elsewhere. Anger is where people often start when they arrive here, due to what they have gone through in life. Anger, hate... these are just symptoms of what life has put them through. It isn't where we end up though.
I'll give you one thing to think about that is simply going to seem completely against the grain. Feminism, is also a sexual strategy.
This isn't an easy pill to swallow. If you really want to know what this sub is all about, try reading a bit of the sidebar. Start at the beginning, read the introduction.
If it seems like pure bullshit to you, forget about it, and move on.
Edit, if you really want to tempt a shock to your system, read The Misandry Bubble on the sidebar.
This could have been me, thank God I am waking up and also found a place like this.
Ctrl+F misog - 1 result. WOAH ASKMEN TORE THAT PERSON APART
Woman are a necessary evil but still evil. Betas are simply evil and not necessary.
I don't get the duplicitous logic. If a woman were to address and issue she had with the way men treated her, and he subsequent reluctance or inability to trust them (which would be understandable) the response would be that it is a patriarchal bias.
When a man is treated poorly by woman and understandably is unable to trust women, he's a misogynist.
I don't approve of generalizing, but it is a coping tool we use to great effect in many instances, and I can understand why some people can't trust others, regardless of gender/sex.
I judge people on a case-by-case basis, but as a coping tool, I understand how these problems happen. When it is a woman who doesn't trust men, it's justified; when it's a man who doesn't trust women, his a misogynist. I don't understand how a person can hold opposing logic simultaneously.
I think it's about time men either embrace the term misogynist or ignore it, the same way women ignore misandry. My spell check still won't recognize misandrist, despite this word obviously existing for a long time now.
Either that, or ignore the noise. Don't be the 80% of moron males or 100% of worthless females. Be the top 20% of males, and take your pick of the females for plating or top 20% for LTRs (if you want it).