Is ego the number one thing sitting in the way of the effectiveness of Organized Churchs?

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February 20, 2020
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Obviously I'm going to say yes, why would I be on this sub otherwise?

But I wanted to share some thoughts I've been having recently to see if anyone else had opinions thoughts or ideas on it. Pardon if it seems scattered or like the points are not connected very well. I have only about 45 minutes before a training.

(When I say Church, I mean Churches around me.)

1. The Church is using secular language, and in doing so removes Christ from the metric that acceptance should be measured.

I've heard it said "Obesity is the only sin a Churchgoer will never be criticized for." Is having an unhealthy, cumbersome fat body enticing? Probably not.

Recently my wife and I were watching a video about some guy who, with his computer, digitally created some black model and was likely profiting heavily off this imaging, the catch: she didnt exist. Race commentary aside, one of the things that regularly came up was that if these digital models are accepted it will continue to exasperate the body image problem for people who are impressionable.

In Church I regularly hear people talking about learning to love themselves, and there seems to be a big push from administration to do this. What is so wrong with people feeling unsatisfied? I'm asking this rhetorically, but why are people so scared of the pain?

I'm asking this genuinely: Why is the Church so ready so alleviate the pain of self dissatisfaction with moralism, or theology sans Christ's expectations of us.

2. Church leadership is terrified of criticizing(read: correcting) their leadership which has resulted in the only seemingly successful Churches being the equivalent of country clubs.

I'll admit I may just be fire and brimstone on occasion, so take this with a grain of salt.

On a smaller scale version of Church, the Youth Group I participated in Youth Leaders would regularly discuss drinking and partying during the half hour following group. Regularly there would still be youth kids there. When I brought it up, the only thing the Youth Admin did was an equivalent of "hey, you should stop talking about this. " Not even a "Hey, this is obvious sin. Pick it or us." It's nonsense.

Why is the Church so okay with poor leadership, especially when it comes to shepherding 'at-risk' sheep? Sure, the kids loved it, they felt cool, but who cares? The point isn't numbers, the point is actualized faith.

3. Churches that do align their values to a more scripturally accurate agenda are scared to admit.

I think this specifically comes up with practicing premarital sex and financial responsibility.

Right now there is only a small small handful of Churches near me that will speak negatively on the sin of premarital sex. Specifically gay sex. Even fewer Churches will speak out against their congregation managing their finances poorly. Why is there nobody willing to have conflict?

As another personal story, as a child my family was pretty poor. We had a house but were quickly reaching foreclosure. My Mom and Step-Dad were apart of a few different small groups, and despite there being a few keyholding Church Leaders nobody once ever called my parents out to stop. They understood my parents were struggling financially but instead of saying "Wow, you are really poor stewards of what God has currently given you, why do you expect to be given more?" We'd get heapings of "God provides." Yeah, but if you don't take care of what he gives you, you'll still fail. God let's people fail.

Does it all boil down to ego? Is that why RP and the Bible share so many fundamental ideologies? Kill the ego, die to yourself. So that you can live in Christ?

Thoughts?


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Title Is ego the number one thing sitting in the way of the effectiveness of Organized Churchs?
Author Praexology
Upvotes 6
Comments 6
Date 20 February 2020 11:08 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]markreadsred2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

The attraction model is too pervasive because it works at first. This leads to the ego you're seeing. The issue is it doesn't last so must churches seem to double down or simple change leaders to get a fresh ego at the front of the room to dance and sing.

Most churches couldn't think of running a complete run through of the bible as a sermon series, no holds bar. lets even just read the entire book and let the spirit do the job of teaching and convicting.

This is because the leadership is the focus not the message. Their message not God's

I think God still uses these broken vessels to his glory, but imagine a world where he had sharp tools to do the job.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RPC community is where the next revival comes from because it will be so focused on Jesus and truth and not cow tailing to some ideological agenda or concession.

[–]Praexology[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wow, I'm not sure why I've never realized this before but.

The issue is it doesn't last so must churches seem to double down or simple change leaders to get a fresh ego at the front of the room to dance and sing.

It just became so obvious to me what is happening. I'm going to write in broad strokes for a minute so pardon some of the more nuanced stuff. What is happening is the Church, speaking primarily in the US, is pandering to the effeminate heart. By way of hyperfocusing on presentation. Common churches are peacocking but once the mate, a ready-and-willing stb believer comes in close, there is no substance. So they go to the next place, riding the (C)hurch carousel until they hit the wall and bitter up to the whole thing.

This is why Churches now are so full of women and Blue-Pilled xussies. The crux of it is, that same effeminate heart is fickle and will easily branch swing. To another Church, another Bible study or small group. The pastors are left dancing-monkeying to get attention but they can't 'close' long term. So the Church kicks them out to try to bring in the next dancing monkey. One with a different mask this time, but all the same underneath.

I'm having some real mental masturbation right now. Yeesh.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RPC community is where the next revival comes from because it will be so focused on Jesus and truth and not cow tailing to some ideological agenda or concession.

Amen. I don't necessarily believe this subreddit will be the where it's from, but definitely it's ideologies will be.

[–]rocknrollchuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here's another perspective on it: How institutions die.

[–]markreadsred1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you're onto something with the peacocking leaders. It sure fits.

[–]OrlandoTheAxe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I haven't experienced this in any of the churches I've attended thus far, and I've been fairly involved in most of them. Could this trend you're describing be a megachurch thing or a regional or denominational problem? I find it hard to believe I would have gotten lucky with church selection in 3 different states, three times in a row.

It's true that people at church are generally not as up-front and ready to call others out as they are here on RPC, but I think that's just because we are conditioned to avoid confrontation and become defensive when criticized.

If the trend you're seeing is more than a regional/denominational problem, I think a good course of action would be to get involved as a leader and steer your community towards the truth. Much easier said than done, of course.

[–]Praexology[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good point, I usually try to make asterisks disclaiming YMMV. I think regional differences place a huge role in how a Church behaves.

If your Church isn't behaving like this, lucky you. Pastors here will preach a sermon about something abstract like "Don't live in Sin" but then won't confront the elders who are 365lbs about losing weight. Or if they do, nothing ever comes of it. And as we all know confrontation without expectations means nothing. You have to change or you're out.



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