Veer Clear of Female Therapists

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February 18, 2020
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I've been seeing this therapist over the last few months.

I mentioned to her about an encounter I had with my ex's best friend (also F). She would incessantly throw subs at me even though I literally did nothing to her. That is, she would get mad at me for things going south between my ex and I. When she heckles me last night out of the blue, I don't lose frame (or so I think) and throw an insult questioning her femininity. When I mention this to my therapist, she goes nuts and starts calling me a "bully" and admits to "coming to the defense of another woman." She sits there and keeps throwing insults at me while I sit holding frame (for sure this time), ignoring her attempts to stimulate a reaction. I mention my experience with bullying in high school, and how it taught me a lesson, she accuses me of "enjoying it" and being "a bigger bully." I calmly sat until our time was over, only to leave without scheduling another appointment.

This just goes to show how the sisterhood is intact even in professional women - even to those who are paid to help you navigate through your own issues. Let this be a lesson for anybody out there suffering clinical depression and anxiety as I am to never opt for a female therapist.

My question to you guys is, did I hold frame when I think I did? I understand if this comes out as a rant. Feel free to report it as spam.


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Title Veer Clear of Female Therapists
Author DrGandu
Upvotes 275
Comments 118
Date 18 February 2020 06:13 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/339155
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[–]StephenHawkingsEars198 points199 points  (16 children) | Copy

I agree but with the exception of older women. The only good therapist I had was 70 years old and had seen so much she knew wtf she was talking about. The young ones were retarded.

Imho it’s more about age and experience.

[–]TacoMedic57 points58 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is pretty common in most fields. This is why when you get your first post-college job, they don't give a fuck about your degree and only see your lack of experience.

Therapy is just an extreme example of this as therapy is simply helping someone to collect and voice their thoughts and experiences constructively. A 70 year old therapist who was there for all the trauma from Vietnam onwards is likely gonna be better than any rando with a degree.

[–]Gandalfthegrey232354 points55 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes my therapist is in her early 60’s and she always calls younger women out for their bull shit. How every woman thinks they are special now because they have a vagina. And how men are turning into feminized yes men. I honesty owe a lot to her. I stuck with her because she was tough and didn’t tip toe around my feelings to make me feel better. She has said verbatim said “you need to stop being such a pussy.” . That’s why I stuck with her. She holds me accountable and doesn’t give a fuck if I fire her because I get upset with her.

The older generation of women was so much different.

[–]StephenHawkingsEars31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same experience with me man. She shot straight and didn’t bullshit. Stayed with her husband from the age of 22-until he died in his 70s. That woman had her shit in check.

[–]psrE35317 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

I disagree with this greatly. My first counselor (in her late 30s-40s) did not understand me at all and we basically got nowhere over the many months of paying her for help. HOWEVER, my second counselor, who is maybe a couple years out of school (aged in her mid to late 20s) has been super helpful. I went from the lowest of the low (basically dropped out of high school for a year) to where I am now, attending a very good public university. I'm sorry your experience was this way, but this is not always the case...

[–]StephenHawkingsEars22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

This thread is mostly anecdotal speculation, tbh I’m not surprised there’s so much variation in people’s experiences.

[–]thrwy754792 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. There's also the possibility of internal subconscious biases that we all have.

Perhaps he feels he can relate better to a younger person, since he's young himself; or because his mother was young when she had him.

There could be a whole range of underlying reasons. Who knows.

[–]anxiousdweller9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it's the 70/20 rule, dawg, you're either a zoomer, a boomer, or getting therapy..

[–]Kyomeii1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had a similar experience, my first therapist was probably in her 60s, and I didn't like her approach at all. My second was in her late 20s I guess and she was very helpful. It's a matter of methods and what fits for yourself.

[–]Ill_mumble_that17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

Or just see a Male therapist.

Mine was great. Just had me talk. NO ADVICE. NO OPINION. NO WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT. NOTHING. JUST ME TALKING AND SPILLING MY GUTS IN 100% HONESTY. Knowing it was confidential.

It was fucking phenomenal and more effective and treating my mental health than anything else possible (besides exercise).

I don't understand why a therapist needs to get a degree in college to do the job, when the only requirement to be a great therapist is to just shut the fuck up and let your client talk while you sit there and get paid to keep your ears open and your god damn mouth shut.

[–]flipdoggers8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was fucking phenomenal and more effective and treating my mental health than anything else possible (besides exercise).

Obligatory shoutout to meditation :) gets to the root of all suffering

[–]woyspawn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I once red about listeners in Japan park benches.

They charge you to go and talk to them.

[–]RaidenDark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. My grandmother is the only woman I've ever met that actually understands women.

[–]TheProfitMotive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

looool at you still believing NAWALT

[–]fantasticfantasy69-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I may be late on this but isn’t ANYONE bothered that people are going to see THE RAPIST?! Male or female?

[–]Silas1067168 points169 points  (15 children) | Copy

Why would you be seeing a female therapist?

Of course you are going to get pozzed feminism and other nonsense from her. Even finding a male therapist worth anything is very difficult

[–]DrGandu[S] 43 points44 points  (12 children) | Copy

It was a service offered by my college, and I didn't have the option to choose. I'm going to do everything I need to get a male one.

[–]HaroldTFinch139 points140 points  (1 child) | Copy

Report her for unprofessional behavior. Then request a male because of the traumatic experience.

[–]olinvomibo12323 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

This, report her. This is not acceptable, god knows how many more will suffer.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

It was a service offered by my college, and I didn't have the option to choose. I'm going to do everything I need to get a male one.

I mean, you can't complain too much. Free is free.

She's in that job for a reason. Can't pay all too much working for the college, I imagine.

File a complaint with the college. They probably won't do shit, but she'll at least have to sit through an uncomfortable conversation with the HR.

[–]macheagle19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy

They may be billy betas also. See if you can find a RP brother to help keep you on track.

[–]owning_my_shit25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy

Been to multiple male therapists. All pussified

[–]Ill_mumble_that7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Doesnt fucking matter. The best therapist is a mute that can't talk, who also has big ole ears to listen to their clients.

[–]urbancore-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

therapy is pussified, really.

[–]anxiousdweller1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's possible for me to learn from everything. you didnt think everyone was supposed to be able to be alpha? besides, it's simply honest to admit that many of who you'd call conquered by e.g. the feminine imperative still have something and some wisdom that it is up to you to hone your senses to extract and obtain

[–]Nergaal6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

keep in mind that college therapists are paid by the college to make the college look good (i.e. drop the suicide rate in their college). they have an intrinsic incentive to get the gears not to squeak, and trp can be seen as a squeaky gear. the advantage is that they might be cheaper, more convenient, and they must be above a certain minimal qualification.

[–]urbancore2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

i know a bad ass red pilled lesbian therapist. I don't see a therapist, and I probably wouldn't see her (we know each other too well), but if I did I would want to see someone much like her...male or female. She (60 yr old, and cool af) shoots it straight as a fucking arrow.

Most of the women I know are red pilled at their core, its the men.....I can't stand. Most dudes make me sick.

[–]RPthrowaway12359 points60 points  (3 children) | Copy

Therapy is pretty shit overall honestly, but female therapists give the worst possible advice to men and it's incredibly damaging. It's a good thing you had the knowledge to get out of there unscathed...a lot of guys end up getting fucked up even worse by "professionals" like that woman.

[–]thesoloronin10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like TRP says: you don't ask a fish how to get fish. You also don't ask a fish how to get out of the waters, because they don't want you to.

[–]TFWnoLTR13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I even recommend some women go to male therapists instead of female, if their issues are basic self-esteem and not related to sexual abuse or something like that.

Good female therapists are few and far between, and they're always booked up. I've never actually met one, and the ones I have met all came off as crazier than their average client.

[–]McFuckOffx213 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, went to see a shrink, met a female. Didn’t even get half way through and told her I’d be requesting a male therapist for the next session.

All she did was project her own personal viewpoints on every experience I had without me getting around to finishing.

[–]WiterS27 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea, they want to use you for their own therapy.

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[–]Bing_Bang_Bam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Freud and Jung had some interesting ideas

[–]BoyFromMiami36 points37 points  (5 children) | Copy

To anyone new here, TRP isn’t about hating women, although we have some members on this reddit with serious resentments. I am not speaking on the OP, but rather on the people commenting negative things about women.

[–]KaliosX7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're preaching to the choir, they're women!

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are great, they just suck at being professional most of the time.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All the top comments above this were AIDS.

Edit: and the ones below until I decided to stop reading.

[–]realperson679821 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m honestly not seeing a ton of women bashing. To me it seems bashing the idea that a woman can teach a man how to be a man.

That’s the whole problem, boys today learn about manhood mainly from women.

[–]mikrodizels5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, I went to a female therapist for 3 and a half months, once a week.

It was nice to have somebody to listen to your problems, and I did reveal all the skeletons from my closet, but whenever I started talking about TRP, ONS etc. the therapist just couldn't get it, that women also enjoy ONS, despite being woman herself. Sex with no feelings is using the woman to her. I just lost all trust in being a professional, when she mentioned her opinion about it. I also saw pretty clearly, that she just cannot relate to my experiences and RP ideas at all.

She asked "How does that make you feel" all the time, to the point that it became somewhat laughable. I just wanna know why I am the way I am and how can I improve to be more social and be less socially retarded. Help me see what I'm doing abnormally and what should I stop/start doing. I don't care how I feel, I care how I am.

I really would like to find a shrink for myself, I'll try again later with a male one, if I ever find one, since they are so rare, especially in my country.

[–]IntelligenceLtd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

out of interest what country are you from?

[–]mikrodizels1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Latvia

[–]psrE3534 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry to hear about your struggle. Not all therapists are the best. Some therapists only have a bachelor's, which are not the ones you want, you want one with a master's in psych or better. I have a young female therapist, which has helped me go from a pit lower than I thought I could ever go, to being back on my feet again. It sounds like you were in the right, but admittedly all counselors have chances of being sucky, especially if they don't have the correct training, whether male or female. I had a female therapist before this one who helped none at all, in fact in some ways, put me down. So just check for their experience and education next time or ask people or look at reviews.

[–]XT3M311 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

talking to a female about other females is normally the equivalent of talking to a wall cause she will always try to put her self in that girls shoes and defend her . even the ones who act like men do this.

[–]subaruguy144 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

No offense OP, but going to a female therapist in and of itself is a break of frame. You subjected yourself to a harmful situation with next to no upside.

[–]Bone_Coat33 points34 points  (7 children) | Copy

professional women

that's a good joke.

I don't lose frame (or so I think) and throw an insult questioning her femininity

did you insulted her, or did you not? if you did, you lost frame.

- never seek advice from a woman -

[–]Nofapislit14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never seek advice from women about women your dating.

[–]DrGandu[S] 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

Her: Why are you here? You moved out for a reason.
My friend: Why don't you move in? (To my room, which was a boys' hall)
Her: I'm not a boy.
Me: Really? The evidence clearly seems contrary.
Queue her hysteria

[–]lintamacar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

*cue

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queue (noun): a line or sequence of people or vehicles awaiting their turn to be attended to or to proceed.

queue (noun): a list of data items, commands, etc., stored so as to be retrievable in a definite order, usually the order of insertion.

queue (verb): take one's place in a queue.

queue (verb): arrange in a queue.

cue (noun): a thing said or done that serves as a signal to an actor or other performer to enter or to begin their speech or performance.

cue (verb): give a cue to or for.

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[–]flipdoggers1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Passing shit tests successfully doesn't result in hysteria

[–]Bone_Coat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

he forgot the " /s "

[–]throwawaycunt19970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not even your own mom.

[–]RedSkeller20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

All women defend the sisterhood. They’re all aware of how terrible they are but if they trash the brand then no one buys.

[–]theUnBannableHulk29 points30 points  (7 children) | Copy

Red Pill guy

Goes to women therapist

Does not compute or you are a retard

[–]DrGandu[S] 24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

It’s a service offered by my college free of out of pocket costs. Students aren’t allowed to pick and choose

[–]NabroleonBonaparte19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

College therapists/psychs are wack. It’s hard to find a legit mental health expert in general.

One offered by your university? You’d fair better buying the DSM-V yourself and working through your issues alone!

Use what you have, but don’t set your expectations too high.

[–]PoonBuffet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

*fare

[–]theUnBannableHulk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just come here brah we’ll help out without being on our periods

[–]KaliosX0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Are the Therapists also students?

[–]DrGandu[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, they’re “trained professionals”. Mine was a 58-year-old woman.

[–]bottomLobster10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

There we go, so this is not a therapist but basically a teacher, what can you expect.

[–]Zanford3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Throw subs?

Like throwing sub sandwiches?

Or helpfully finds female sexual submissives for your harem?

[–]shr3dthegnarbrah1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That could really cut down on groceries.

[–]XT3M30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

throwing subs is a term for trying to insult/talk someone down without mentioning names. its its something that alot of female's and bitch made dudes do.

[–]TheTastelessBatman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, fuck holding a frame dude. You are at the therapist paying good money and you should not be worried about holding frame or shit. Get a male therapist - someone who is older. I only give my business to men and consult other men, specially if they are older and lean towards RP.

[–]MrBreitling5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen both male and female therapists and to my absolute shock they were all very much redpilled and not feminists.

I think the overwhelming majority are poozed, but I was happily surprised that not everyone is.

Like everything, you need to shop around. Vote with your feet.

[–]Sylvester_Sterone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you were the counselor in that session. I hope you don t have to pay for that ish.

[–]2319Skew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd go as far as saying that the vast majority of professionals in any non gender specific field are better when it's a man to man interaction.

Women tend to veer on the emotional and always seem to have something to prove.

That's not to say that I can't come across a man that's taking out the fact his wife left him on some random asshole, it's just that it's not as common as a woman trying to give you a ticket due to a technicality because she wants to assert her strong independent agenda.

[–]idreamofkitty2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes."

[–]GearaltofRivia2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly this sounds like an awful therapist and you should fire her and switch immediately

[–]binrobinro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I calmly sat until our time was over, only to leave without scheduling another appointment.

[–]life0362 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was thinking about this just the other night. I'm very anti-therapy since I went as a young teen and quickly realized that the only solution to my problems was going to be me, and not some asshat sitting there pretending to care about my issues.

Anyway, I was going through a rough patch a few weeks ago and started entertaining the thought of seeing a therapist again in my older age, but I couldn't get past the fact that it would be extremely hard to find one that takes into account the realities of our evolutionary biology. I found myself questioning if a female therapist could truly understand the types of things that men go through. Sure, there may be some out there that truly understand the challenges, outlooks, and approaches of both sexes, but how hard would that be to find someone that's not susceptible to their own bias? Even if you purposely find a male therapist, who's to say they're in a better frame of mind than you are? I ended up working through my own problems, as always, and decided against it.

[–]jairothevaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone is susceptible to their own bias, there is no way around it. But you must also remember that you are no exception to the rule, so you’re also trapped in your own bias.

If any, the person most equipped to be more unbiased is a therapist. Since it’s assumed that the therapist has seen many different bias from different people, and then can understand the world from a miriad of point of views. However, that also requires the therapist to be open-minded enough to absorve those different points of view.

Anyway, it’s possibly hard to find at random a good therapist. But probably those considered the best should have enough unbiased opinions, since they probably helped many people before.

[–]cupshadow2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you should ought to leave earlier when she started to throw that. You are there to seek help and treating a patient like that is dangerous and unprofessional.

Something similar happened to me too. When I mentioned about PUA to my old therapist, first thing that came out of her mind was some news about a guy who was charged on sexual assault. She couldn't even remember the name but had the guts to discourage me without even trying to understand why I would consider PUA in the first place.

So, what you said is true. Guys shouldn't go to female therapists.

[–]EvelynnSpoiler2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

From my experience a few years back, female therapists just have the habit of being annoyingly wrong which affected what I was able to share with them.

The truth is that like a relationship, therapy requires trust, and trust isn't something you're going to establish with a non sexual partner (at least at a deep enough level.

Men generally make better therapists on the basis that we are objective and rational.

[–]kankouillotte2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know a girl who is a therapist, with her own office and all. She is one of the most crazy and unstable women I have ever met in my life. I sometimes wonder how it is going for her clients .... and fear the worst

[–]SamuraiNinjaYoddha2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Therapist? 🤐 Female? 😒😕 No.

[–]craneonacrane2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only therapist I've had which is female was for quitting smoking. She was middle-aged and honestly was the most understanding human being I had the pleasure to converse with. Ib4 "reee not all females"

[–]boredrandomguy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say stay clear of liberal therapists (not just female ones).

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dont seek advice from women. They dont have the burden of performance and have agendas built-in genetically (ie team woman).

Dont seek a therapist that is under ~35. They havent seen enough.

[–]mortalcoil18 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

I go to my therapist almost daily. Best part is it only costs 20 dollars a month! Can't beat that.

Her name is Gym. When I'm feeling angry, she calms me down and focuses me. When I'm feeling sad, she makes me happy. When I'm feeling depressed, she gives me confidence. When I am feeling stressed, she makes me relax.

See if your area has a therapist named Gym. The results will surprise you.

Actually? You know what? Time out.

Rant time. We all see these commercials on the TV. Fucking anti-depressant fucking commercials. Are you feeling sad in your middle class life? Eat this pill. It costs 50 dollars a pill and we promise you will feel better, and if that doesn't work. We have a fucking anti-depressant for your fucking anti-depressant. Those fucking anti-depressant boosters. Seriously? Why are you so miserable?

Why isn't depression a big fucking concern in Somalia? Oh, that's right. When every morning you have to fight to survive and figure out where you can get water that won't kill you and food to fend off starvation, depression isn't really a thing.

How many of these sad little middle class pill poppers would need a pill if they just exercised, drank plenty of water, and ate clean?

I understand that a small minority of people have severe chemical imbalances in their brain or have actual mental disorders like schizophrenia. I understand that there is a time and a place for psych meds, but most of these people just need to get out in the sun and work out.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

A good therapist can you dissect and analyze life events and behaviours that hinder your growth. The gym alone cannot do that, but it is a good starting point from a mental-health-is-tied-to-physical-health point of view.

Don’t undersell the value of something just because you’re not aware of it.

[–]mortalcoil12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was mandated to go to therapy in the military. I was dissapointed.

but I do agree. Therapy can help people. Again, I am not saying there are zero people who could benefit from anti-depressants and therapy. I understand that for some people it can be helpful. I am saying that there is an overabundance of depression medications and people who are in therapy because their mothers didn't give them that SECOND pony they always wanted.

[–]FrenCan316-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

I always kinda wondered about this. The fact the depression and anxiety are only really a thing in the developed world is totally fucked. I kind of suspect that it's just that life is rough, even in this part of the world, but people are so pampered and propagandized that they think something is wrong with them if they're sad or going through a rough patch. I feel like this especially applies to "anxiety" which is really just either a fear of social judgement or fear of mortality. People really think you're not supposed to experience fear in life. Fear comes from taking risks, and playing it safe won't get you far at all in life.

[–]mortalcoil10 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I think humans evolved to live in hardship and fighting for survival. When we are too far removed from that fight we become filled with ennui. Some people get hobbies. Some people become obsessed with something.

What I see a lot is people set a goal for themselves, and they believe that when they reach that goal they will be truly happy, and they just need to reach that goal, and then they do, and it's never ever what they have made it out to be in their mind. Sadly, having children is a big one. So, not only is their accomplishment not making them happy like they thought it would, but also they no longer have a goal to work for. They just can't handle it. They promised themselves blank would bring them happiness, but it didn't.

Luckily, there is a cheat code. Exercising!

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[–]FrenCan3160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am 100% in agreement that lifestyle choices combat this. So many people lead disgusting, depressing and distracted lives that I'm kind not surprised that people spiral downward. On a personal note, I can't believe how unrelatable 90% of my previous friends and acquaintances have become for me since I've become RP and NoFap. It's like people aren't even operating on the same plane of existence anymore. It's a little bit disorienting but I'm still happy about it and charging on.

[–]Quo2103 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Avoid female "Professionals" whenever possible. They more likely to get away with anything negative just because pussypass. That alone should direct you to stay clear of them.

Why would you even look for a female therapist? Like, what piece of useful advice in your personal development that wasn't bluepill trash authorized by the governing elites do you expect to get?

Do you know the American school of Psychology coined the term toxic masculinity since 2019 in books? Are you really going there to look for advice?

If you're going to visit a mental health personnel atleast make sure it's a man. And even then, chances are it's an indoctrinated male that will spout non sense.

[–]WiterS20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you know the American school of Psychology coined the term toxic masculinity since 2019 in books? Are you really going there to look for advice?

And it wasn't based on science, but on an opinion piece from an opiniologyst, who wasn't even a profesional.

[–]bilabrin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Unless they are older. I've had good experiences with some of the older ones.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Therapy is for people with physical injuries and severe mental illness.

The whole seeing a therapist because I'm sad and I have some problems things is a crock of shit. Biggest scam of the 20th century. Everybody has issues my man, these therapists are just a bunch of narcissists who learned some stock phrases and advice for various situations and have found a way to take money from rich people who want to moan and feel important.

Source: both of my parents are therapists and I grew up around them and their therapist friends

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

did I hold frame when I think I did?

Nah. You should have just walked out.

[–]WiterS21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Female therapists, and blue pilled male therapists.

That is, she would get mad at me for things going south between my ex and I.

Sounds like she did the same things as your ex.

[–]KillaJewels1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Personally, sticking to my gender would work best for me. That doesn't mean I'd turn away a golden goose if I found one. I have tried a couple of therapists, one male and one female. Both seemed to act in their own interest by running down the clock, but that doesn't mean there aren't any solid therapists out there.

If it's a priority to you, keep trying. And stop worrying so much about whether or not you are holding frame. It's good to calibrate but don't fall in the trap of manufacturing your behavior to impress an online forum.

[–]abhi_071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Therapists are not supposed to be judgemental. You should probably report her for being incompetent.

[–]AuberyBitoni1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thereapy won't do shit.

[–]silent_dominant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Had 2 male therapists who were utterly useless.

Female one now, late 30's. Things are going great. She's the one that stopped me from feeling guilty over dumping my ex after a 10yr relationship, so sisterhood? Idk

[–]slamdunktiger861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even the guys are blue-pilled and cucky.

Still, a guy is better overall.

The hive mind is real and they really defend each other even indirectly.

If you look at the academic progression and prerequisites to become a psychologist, LMFT to psychiatrist, it’s no surprise they promote blue-tinted lifestyles and enablement.

I was dealing with some heavy family issues and also needed to find someone for my cousin who was 16 and going down the class A substance list one by one to self-medicate.

Luckily, I found a Swedish Viking who was a Stanford JD and securities attorney (he did mortgage-backed securities due diligence like in The Big Short). Dude was brilliantly smart but really had that didactic secular empathy that I’ve loosely heard about from Sweden.

Credit given, he’s divorced and lives in the most liberal city in America unfortunately. Still, we respect each each other and he’s really helped me get closure as well as have more working tools when it comes to dealing with issues.

[–]Whatdoin273 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Imma be real. You guys can can even accuse me of lying or whatever you want, but this isn't always true.

My therapist is awesome as fuck, and she always took my side when it came to people being assholes, and this includes my ex.

But I believe the sisterhood shit dwarfs logic in most cases.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Steer clear of female therapists.

FTFY.

[–]shadowq80 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Therapists are the clergy of the "modern" religion of conformity

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well put.

The important takeaway from this is that modern clinical/counseling psychology doesn't attempt to study what is healthy and influence culture accordingly. Instead, it attempts to use post-hoc rationalizations to enforce a popular and completely unscientific (in the sense of being generated by no objective research) definition of what acceptable behaviour is.

There is no qualitative difference between the modern christian cherrypicking a "bible" (which was already cherrypicked by the council of Nicaea) to generate post-hoc rationalizations for white western European tradconism, and a "psychologist" citing a DSM made of post-hoc rationalizations for globalist homogenized left-wing humanism.

In either case, the respective philosophy began not with "here are the facts, what course of action do they imply?", but with "here is the desired course of action, what facts can we find to support it?". (Which is what I mean by "post-hoc rationalization" in this context.

Example: in the DSM 2, homosexuality is called out as a "paraphilia", hence a type of mental disorder to be treated and dealt with as a mental health issue. However, in the DSM 4, it's not. It's considered a perfectly normal, sane, and healthy lifestyle and not called out at all.

Now, whether you think homosexual is a sickness or not isn't the point here. The point is that psychology, as practiced, collectively had an idea, that idea changed 180 degrees, and that change was not driven by any objective research, but rather by a change in popular opinion.

That which changes based on popular opinion, rather than objective investigation, is not a science.

[–]jairothevaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean, shouldn’t what is considered mental health change according to the society opinion? Because what is healthy is being sociable and shit.

So, if you want to fit in a society, you gotta play by their rules. If the rules change, you have to adapt. So, a homossexual in a society that persecute them would not be mentally healthy. Then, in this society the therapist would have to try to stop the individual from being homossexual in order to conform.

It’s like in chess, there is a general agreement on how much which piece is worth, but ultimately it all depends on the position.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I’ve seen over 10 different therapists, some women and many men; all of them were useless...

You better buy books, read and apply

[–]AJ_KG_JG0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Mostly agree. I've probably seen around that many in my lifetime, and I found ONE who was worth a damn. Reading books was immensely helpful.

[–]NationalLurkersParty0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sound somewhat typical. In fact a lot of these same therapists will lecture you about your relationship problems while hypocritically being involved in toxic/failing ones themselves. Anyone else hear the recent story about Amie Harwick?? There are good therapists out there, but as always do your due diligence.

[–]urbancore0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

thanks Doc, see you next tuesday.

[–]_Last_Man_Standing_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

bro... fuck therapy...
start reading about the philosophy of Stoicism...
and remember to workout every day...

[–]mcdonaldsTeenus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What does 'frame' mean? I see that a lot on here.

[–]DrGandu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Generally: inner confidence. In this context: being in control of the situation. Details: sidebar

[–]Domebeers-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your writing is poor so I have no idea if you held frame or not, the story is too rambling.

However you shouldn't see therapists in general and you shouldn't see female professionals

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Those kind of posts are not only unproductive, they cut deeper for those already in the anger phase. Next time this shit happens, make a mental note and move on.

[–]maljo240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One bad experience = Never?

[–]BoyFromMiami-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here’s another issue, the comment about “profesional women” being a joke was hilariously juvenile. Next they will think women shouldn’t vote. It’s amazing the level of resentment some of you flops have. Be a leader not a follower, TRP isn’t about hating the opposite sex you mopes, once your RP hard, you will see the beauty of women even more and have so much fulfillment.

I fucking love the red pill. Love it. Changed my life. I have a handful of friends that are redpilling with me, we had a study group at one point, I am by NO means a practitioner, but I do believe in the principles whole heartedly.

Posts like this lead me to believe most users on this reddit haven’t even read the basic literature.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

am I the only one that thinks this kid might actually have problems he needs to work on? He’s seeing a therapist and blaming them on...her? I feel like I’m talking crazy pills



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