So, I’m an Asian immigrant who moved to the US a few years ago and after a few years of dating fell deeply in love with a white American girl. My family is conservative, so I fought through hell and high water to marry this girl. Turns out there was always something she was lying about.
1 - Met her through CMB, and became exclusive in about 2 months - at the time she told me that she never had a one night stand or hooked up with strangers (this aligned with my values and me fall for her quicker)
2 - 6 months into it, she tells me her body count is 15 with 4 being relationships and the rest guys met in a bar or on apps... mostly bars in NYC and LA. I also discover that 3 months in after being exclusive she ventured on the dating apps ( we were going through our dating apps and deleting them together) . She says she wanted to be sure that what she was feeling for me was real. I’m heartbroken and we have a big fight and she truly seems distraught. I feel like she wouldn’t have shared her body count if she wasn’t sincere so we make it work and I fall back in love
3- We say I love you 9 months in, she says I’m the only one she’s ever said that to, a year later I discover that she actually said that to her ex of 3 years (texts, calls, everything). She says she forgot and doesn’t remember saying it. We breakup.
4- We get back within a week and she convinces me that it was young dumb person and she didn’t really mean it back then. I believe her, and chose to get back together. She creates a list of all the adventures she’s ever had and we talk through it. 15 body count, another 10 3rd bases and like a 50 boy’s she’s made out with ( also got drunk / date raped thrice during and after college). I process it and am like she came clean and has a good soul.
5- We get engaged, and turns out she forgot to mention a one time 2nd base with her best guy friend. I feel lied to, she cuts the guy friend out of her life so I’m like ok whatever. We get married.
6- A year into the marriage turns out there’s more to her body count ( apparently went home with a guy she met at a work mixer as soon as she moved to LA etc.) and said I love you to another one of her exes ( the one right before me). Tells me she blocked those shameful memories and hence didn’t share.
After the latest, I can feel my love and feelings towards her diminishing. What do I do? Do I give her the benefit of the doubt? I’m tired of all the lying. Or do I understand and accept her fears and that she will never be fully honest in this part of her life and enjoy the other parts.
Side note: in the spirit of TMI she did give away her best to randos she met barely a couple of hours ago in life (wild sex, car sex, outdoor sex etc. ) In our marriage we have okay sex now, nothing wild as such. However, she did have a few threesomes with me and other girls (she says she’s never done that with any other guy).
Update: just had a big fight with her and she says it’s 25 people she’s had sex with and doesn’t know what was wrong with her and is coming clean coz she can’t stand the thought of losing me. Fwiw y’all were right and I appreciate your thoughts on this
[–]rewire_your_brain20 points21 points22 points (0 children) | Copy Link
They all lie. As long as she didn't do any funny stuff while you were together, I don't see why her past is a problem. Stop trying to pry it out from her, it just shows your insecurity. As another poster on TRP said, she doesn't even sound that bad with her trying threesomes with you. Her not giving you her best sex? Lead to make it happen. Head over to the sidebar on this sub, because you need it.
With that said, you have no kids, and on the sliding scale of AWALT it's clear you can find more suitable specimens, but I have a feeling that with some work on your mental models you could still make it work. But don't have kids until you fix yourself, and then reassess once you have abundance mentality. Use her as a sparring partner while building yourself.
[–]rotkohlblaukraut15 points16 points17 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. You are naive, needy, and insecure. Chasing a dream of an imaginary perfect woman. This perfect woman exists nowhere but in your head. Your wife thought she should try to play the part now that she was past the party girl phase of her life and now into the "settling for a good man" phase. But eventually the truth came out. it usually does. In drips and fits, usuualy called "trickel truth". And at every turn your need to cling to the fantasy, your own unrealistic naivete caused you suffering because your imagination didn't match the real world.
After the first time your world fell down because she (heavens to betsy!) had sex with other guys in her past, you should have had a clue what was going on. You were trying to paint the virginal figure of the Madonna over the ordinary human being that you had met, who admittedly, like many many women, has a bit of a whore side. But the whore side only comes out for the right man. You were at one point the right man too, evidenced by your threesome claims, but I'm guessing this occurred well before you started creating drama about her past and then as you revealed what a sensitive and easily butthurt kind of guy you were, the crazy stuff dried up, There's a cause and effect in there.
You have a couple of choices here. One involves you, one involves her. You can stay with her or you can leave her. Nobody here can tell you what to do - it's up to what YOU want. That's the"her" choice. Buy the "you" choice is more interesting. You can hang onto you your fantasy world and remain butthurt going forward in your life. That means a shitty unhappy marriage if you stay. Or if you leave, it means a series of shitty unhappy relationships while you meet other actual real life women with flaws and baggage, possibly culmianting in another shitty unhappy marriage to one of them while you hang onto resentment because she's not perfect. Or you can swallow the pill, accept life for what it is, and start leading both yourself and your women to the life you want to lead and drop the whiny butthurt. And drop the childish fantasy that women are perfect creatures (until you stumble across a bad one, and she inevitably hurts you, OMG!!!!) That shit is right out of Fedora and m'lady territory.
Note that I'm not advocating for you to "settle" or lower your standards. I'm advocating for you to take a more critical role in examining your own emotional overreactions, and to examine the role the fantasy and Disney Princess thinking plays in how you view women. If you can get your head out of your ass, you can bring out the best in yourself and your partner, and have the vision and the balls to cut off incompatible women early in the vetting process, rather than letting yourself be strung along after clear signs of incompatibility, suffering at every step triggered by your fear of loss (aka scarcity mentality).
[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red10 points11 points12 points (1 child) | Copy Link
That is her best?
Next.
[–]InChargeManRed Beret5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Red, the eternal optimist
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[–]rightsided14 points15 points16 points (1 child) | Copy Link
On the contrary, I think OP is being a faggot. If she's been a loyal gf and wife up to this point, what's the big deal now? OP's mad because he was suckered into her virgin princess story.
Is finding out she sucked and fucked 25+ cocks (definitely more) grounds for divorce? Sounds like bad vetting and insecurity issues to me.
[–]ImplodedVeggies6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya I’m still trying to wrap my head around a guy sitting with his girl and going through a literal list of her sexual experiences like an accountant with a balance sheet.
[–]Delicious_Freedom635[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you, Sir,
[–]rightsided5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Madonna...
..Whore.
Congratulations on bagging your Disney Princess who could do no wrong and welcome to the west.
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[–]good_looking_man4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Retroactive jealousy. It's the biggest waste of energy. Assume no women is honest about her past. The fact that you're hamstering over this list in your head says a lot about you and how much work you need to put into yourself. Good luck.
[–]bob--man2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
There is a lot of fucking bullshit in your post...
When in doubt - AWALT.
Your own insecurities are the issues here, not the choices she made prior to you getting into a relationship with her.
You don't lift. You don't sidebar. You are weak mentally and physically.
You did a poor job of vetting and setting boundaries.
You don't argue with women or debate them on issues like this - ever.
You care too much, that's why you fail.
STFU, sidebar, lift heavy, and own your shit.
[–]Delicious_Freedom635[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Been lifting since I was 15.. building myself mentally is next.
[–]business---travel1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The problem with chasing unicorns is that unicorns don't exist.
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[–]Delicious_Freedom635[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
There is some truth to this, I’ll give you that. I do feel I should have discovered trp and mrp before all this. Never too late tho
[–]EasyDaysHardNights3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah. It's more like 60.
Who cares.
What do you want? That's all that matters.
Get reading the sidebar junior. You got a lot to learn.
[–]Secret_Twitch1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You sound like a needy little insecure beta bitch. You married a girl who openly admitted that she has had 15 cocks run through her? Then a year later you're mad cause maybe it was 30? 50?!?! 100!!!!!!! Poor you because she used to get tied up with a plug stuck up her ass while she gagged on Chad's cock, but you only get starfish sex. What kind of a red pill man are you? (I'm afraid I've got some bad news... you're not). What's this post even doing here? Oh now she is coming clean because she doesn't want to lose you, but I've got some more bad news... this display of total beta cuck behavior has made her lose all attraction for you.
[–]2wo2wo3hree0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Beats by DreBeets by Dwight
[–]rnsbrum0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You smell of weakness and insecurity. Why are you so obsessed one girl? Your tiny asian dick can't get another white girl? pathetic...
[–]Delicious_Freedom635[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t cheat and this is a long and expensive process