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A little help - advice on aftermath of big fight

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February 24, 2020
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Background: 46, 3 kids, married 16 years, red pilled 18 months, DL 4-6, 5x5 SL: Bench 160 OHP 90, BS 275, DL 305. Readings – Pretty much everything recommended, the sidebar, and some other things.  Most recent: The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck.

TLDR: I picked a fight with my wife, it got very ugly, but I think she’s looking for something from me.  How do I stop feeling like a victim and be the oak?

A few days ago I picked a fight with my wife.  Honestly, I’ve been wanting to fight with her for a while.  The subject was a social media post about a birthday present she bought for another guy (AG).  I’ve long suspected that something more than pure “friendship” existed between AG and her.  This situation is what drove me to Red Pill in the first place and has been the subject of several fights between us in the past.  I didn’t bring this up immediately upon learning of it because she was going through an unrelated personal trauma and the timing was bad.  But it had been eating away at me and I wanted to make sure we talked about it.  From my perspective and experience, she didn’t tell me about the birthday present because she knew I would be mad or at least it would have made for an uncomfortable conversation.  So her logic is to hide it from me.  I suspect she has been hiding A LOT from me over the past few years.  This is the reason I find it a red flag.  It’s the tip of a much larger iceberg.

Our “talk” turned into a pretty big fight reminiscent of the ones we had in the days before my Red Pill awareness.  We haven’t really fought at all since I became Red Pilled although I never was able to entirely let go of the anger around the situation.

Some observations: We are terrible at fighting each other.  I bring up the past and say hurtful things.  She goes into full histrionics and uses her tears and abject victimhood as a way of manipulating me.  She knows if she slapped me or swore at me or threw something at me that I would think it was funny.  When she makes me feel like the bad guy, I’m much more likely to cave in. 

What have I done right? – 1) I think I’m willing to recognize her manipulation and not fall for it completely.  I never DEERed, I haven’t acted scared or uncertain around her.  2) I’ve continued with my schedule including gym and time with friends.  3) We had this ridiculous episode where we were both in the house and texting each other about the fight.  My texting game has improved 1000% since becoming Red Pilled.  She would send scrolling texts to me that smacked of hurt, manipulation, maximalist interpretations of what I said etc.  I think I did a good job staying out of her game and keeping it somewhat light.  She was trying to corner me into DEERing and I avoided it.  4) She and I often sit on the sofa and drink coffee in the morning before our day starts.  The day after the fight she came and sat next to me on the sofa as usual.  We didn’t speak, but I maintained focus and breathing and tried to use a generally calm body language.  I held her hand for a little while.  Not great, but not bad.

What have I done wrong? – 1) Victim mentality.  When I think about the fight, I keep thinking about how I was “right”.  This is small, shitty, victim thinking.  The universe gives no fucks about “right”.  The fight was lost because I lost my cool.  2) The episode on the sofa (above) was, I think, good.  But it can’t end there, obviously.  She wants more from me and I don’t know how to get myself in the proper mindset to give it.

My questions – The bottom line is that I’m stuck in a cycle of victimhood.  I’m focused on the ways that I was “wronged” and how I was “right” to say some of the hurtful things that I did.  As if gravity cares about right or wrong when you fall off of a building.  I think she’s looking for something more from me, but I’m not in the proper mindset to give it.  I’m not mad, but I’m also not setting my mind toward a vision for us or how we can move forward together – or apart.  So when we’re silent together, that presence isn’t underlain with anything profound or inspiring to her.  How do I get in the proper mindset to move forward?  What I’m looking for is perspective or perhaps something from the sidebar or other readings that this reminds you of.


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Title A little help - advice on aftermath of big fight
Author IRunYourRiver
Upvotes 11
Comments 75
Date 24 February 2020 04:30 PM UTC (11 months ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/340305
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[–]fannyfire37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

There’s too much going on in this post.

What exactly did she buy this guy that caused you to go full retard?

[–]CrazyLegs7824 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is pretty simple dude. She does this stuff after you've told her it's not acceptable. She also tries to hide it from you.----> She's not afraid of losing you/you aren't high value to her.

Why do you fight about this stuff? It's/she's not worth it if she is doing shit like this. You've already set your boundary, she broke it, now you must show her what happens. This is the hard part for low value men without options. You could always stick around and support her and the kids while she buys gifts for the other dudes she's banging if you want...or maybe she just wants you to go buy the gifts for him instead?

[–]InChargeManRed Beret18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

A few days ago I picked a fight with my wife.  Honestly, I’ve been wanting to fight with her for a while. 

Off to a good start... If only somebody had told you to STFU as a go-to strategy.

Oh well, let's soldier on.

The subject was a social media post about a birthday present she bought for another guy (AG).

Wow, social media posts (attention whore) and buying gifts for other men (whore). Two strikes in one sentence.

Lets get the popcorn going.

I didn’t bring this up immediately upon learning of it because she was going through an unrelated personal trauma and the timing was bad.

To your credit, this was an adult thing to do. But, then you blew up about it later. STFU or a well framed conversation later would have been better.

I suspect she has been hiding A LOT from me over the past few years.

Except for hide the pickle I suspect. At least, your pickle.

Our “talk” turned into a pretty big fight reminiscent of the ones we had in the days before my Red Pill awareness.

Oh golly gee, you mean being "aware" of redpill isn't enough?

Some observations: We are terrible at fighting each other.  I bring up the past and say hurtful things.  She goes into full histrionics and uses her tears and abject victimhood as a way of manipulating me.  She knows if she slapped me or swore at me or threw something at me that I would think it was funny.  When she makes me feel like the bad guy, I’m much more likely to cave in. 

Correction, YOU are terrible at LEADING. She was on-point with her programming. You fell like a rotten tree. Tip 1: Don't argue. You can express your feelings on a matter, but that is not arguing. Argument is two people trying to determine who has the power.

She knows if she slapped me or swore at me or threw something at me that I would think it was funny. 

Because you're a pussy and you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself.

What have I done right?

Seriously? What do you suppose you've done right? All that shit you listed is pure ego protection. Also, I noticed no BF% in your post. What's the over/under on 15% :) I'll take OVER.

3) We had this ridiculous episode where we were both in the house and texting each other about the fight.  My texting game has improved 1000% since becoming Red Pilled. 

ROFL

I held her hand for a little while. 

Lol, pussy. Already trying to "make it up to her" aren't we.

She wants more from me and I don’t know how to get myself in the proper mindset to give it.

Yes, you need to really work on that mindset to be ready to give her everything she wants, you know, to apologize for you accidentally finding the semblance of a descended testicle in your scrotum, before she pushed it back up into your abdomen where it belongs.

Anyway, pretty much the rest is your standard faggot speak. Ok, here is all the answer you need:

STFU, SIDEBAR, STOP BEING A PUSSY, START BEING A MAN OF VALUE

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

, I noticed no BF% in your post. What's the over/under on 15% :) I'll take OVER.

Online calculator says 12%. Fat isn't my issue.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Really, that's all you got out of that comment....Whelp, good luck

[–]Cl_ARK5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Basically, you're attempting to demand something you have no leverage to enforce. You want her to behave a certain way. You can't do that - all you can control is you. The only thing you can do is communicate your disapproval, and then use whatever techniques you are comfortable with when she engages and tries to bait you into justifying your feelings (DEER).

Your loss isn't that you had the fight - although the fight is pretty worthless. You are right that your victim mentality is hurting you....you're rolling all the ways you feel wronged into everything she does. The fight here is deeper than the birthday present. The birthday present is just the current manifestation of the deeper problem. All the fight - ie, back and forth arguing - is doing is you trying to get her to understand how you feel about it. She doesn't care how you feel. And the ways you have been 'wronged' are all things you deserve and probably caused in some sense. So, accept that and put the anger on your own shoulders. You built this.

The thing to take away from this, to me, is that she did it. And you just have to judge her behavior and whether or not this is something you want to tolerate. Your real loss is that your disapproval means nothing to her. And, so, how do you handle that moving forward?

EDIT: Is AG the same guy who was sitting in your kitchen drinking your beer a year ago?

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Good perspective and right on many counts. Yes, same guy.

[–]Cl_ARK3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Same guy? Yeesh.

You aren't directing yourself - you pretend to, then check her in the rearview mirror to see if what you did is OK. Your whole post is framed as giving her what she needs, and how you feel bad for how you reacted to her. You're still doing this to win her over.

There's no winning - AG gets the attention and adoration from your wife that you want. You lost. Even IF she's never touched his dick. All you get is her obligation, he gets the desire.. Maybe this whole AG situation will finally be the fuel you need to kill your oneitis for your wife.

You won't be able to choose yourself until you fall out of love with her.

[–]hack3geRed Beret6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Oh she touched his dick for sure if this has been going on for a year.

[–]Cl_ARK1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

My point is....does that even matter?

It wouldn't to me.

[–]hack3geRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No it doesn’t but you shouldn’t give him hope.

She is irrelevant at this point - you tell her such and give her a chance to earn her spot back in your life. The issue is OP is a faggot, doesn’t have frame to handle the fall out and has lifts lower than my side chick.

[–]Redrover8574 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

She bought another man a birthday present? What in the hell. Think about this she took your fucking money that could have been used on something around your house, date night, put in your kids college funds etc and bought some other dude a fucking birthday present. And in all likelihood is sucking this dude’s dick before she comes home and kisses your kids. She doesn’t respect you at all and rightfully so. Get your shit together.

[–]tightsleeves3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So your wife is secretly buying presents for another man.. major red flag that outlines two things... 1) How she feels about you (you dont do it for her) and 2) Your boundaries are as soft as marshmallows.

Once you become a valuable man you could simply say "So it is OK for us to buy gifts for the opposite sex that want to fuck us?" Your tone should make it clear that you have a few women that would love to be gifted a butt plug from you... This doesn't work if she knows you couldn't capture anything with a vagina....or a butt

It changes the dynamic from "HEY, STOP DOING THAT" to "Ohh shit, I guess I have some shopping to do"

[–]cholomiteMod / BP Downvote Magnet6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Damn dude, you made yourself look like a giant bitch with that one.

Newsflash: If your wife wants to fuck another guy, she will, and there's not a goddamned thing you can do about it, especially not arguing with her or asking her politely not to. You can't negotiate desire.

That entire thing was a giant unnecessary exercise in you losing frame, openly admitting that you know this guy is better than you, and that you are afraid of him. What kind of woman wants to be around a guy who pisses his pants and cries whenever another guy shows up? Your relationship doesn't exist in a vacuum and it never will. You have to get over your oneitis and insecurity and stop trying to control your wife. You can only control yourself, and you're doing a shit job of it.

Honestly, after a loss that bad, there's really no way to recover other than to act like it never happened. She will never forget what a weak pussy you looked like in that moment, but at least you can stop the bleed and just move on.

Your wife will never respect you until you are in the mindset that there are other women and you can leave her in a heartbeat and not bat an eye. Focus more on getting to that place and less time getting into stupid arguments. Right now your wife is watching you, desperately hoping that there is a real man inside and not the pathetic little bitch that pisses his pants whenever another man enters the picture. You want to know what to do next? Stop giving so many fucks about your wife and start focusing on you, and being more attractive, fun, spontaneous, confident...etc.

[–]Kidterrific2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I picked a fight with my wife."

Stopped reading there. You and your ego have some work to do.

[–]helaughsinhidden2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

u/IRunYourRiver Quick summary: You are butt hurt because she's still lost attraction and you still have her on a pedestal and you fear losing her. You believe deep down that you can use morality to negotiate loyalty and attraction and it doesn't work that way.

You SHOULD have already realized you are the prize. If you don't, she never will see you like that. Be confident even if it's unreasonable to you in the moment. You should have zero fear of losing her because you can replace her with a younger, prettier, and more submissive version. You should KNOW this is true because you should be gaming her and other women, even if not trying to cheat, but to KNOW you could if you wanted to.

Other fuckup, being jealous. I hope it's obvious by now, you shouldn't have picked a fight. Seriously, no one ever cares what the angry person says in any circumstance, especially wives. Instead you should have inquisitively said "So, did John like the Axe Body Spray you bought him for his promotion?" all nice and supportive like. So as to give the impression that you KNOW and don't give a fuck. Let her HAMSTER do all the convicting and produce the anxiety, not you. Shit, don't even tell her how you know or how you actually feel about it. Maybe one more comment after her reply like "Oh, good, I am more of an Old Spice man myself, but to each their own" or a simple "good, I am glad he liked it" again, with ZERO butt hurt. She might even start to feel bad and wonder what else you know. Perhaps tap the old "trickle truth" faucet and find out more things she's hiding. Never let your woman see you needy, hurt, mad, or desperate. Act like everything in the entire world it GOING to work out to your advantage, even if she's cheating.

Be honest, look here and say which level of dread you are really on after "18 months of being redpilled".

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Instead you should have inquisitively said "So, did John like the Axe Body Spray you bought him for his promotion?" all nice and supportive like.

Yep, exactly. Back when this all started, that struck me as being the right approach. But, like I said in the post, she was in the midst of a pretty large trauma and I buried the whole thing without bringing it up. The way I did bring it up was supremely stupid, but that's done now. No time machine.

You should have zero fear of losing her because you can replace her with a younger, prettier, and more submissive version.

I don't have much doubt about that. And even if I didn't, I'd be fine. I enjoy my life.

What I'm feeling isn't fear, but an opportunity to learn and perhaps work toward a new dynamic.

Be honest, look here and say which level of dread you are really on after "18 months of being redpilled".

I've read Saving a Low Sex Marriage and got a lot out of it. The Dread concept bugs me though because it looks and smells a lot like a covert contract. I stopped thinking in terms of DL a few months ago.

[–]helaughsinhidden2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your missing the concept with Dread.

Covert Contract is a man chasing a woman. Doing things and expecting her to reciprocate because of them. It is an attempt at negotiating attraction. Think of a puppy begging for a treat. The human has all the value and power and the dog is needy, begging, and has no real leverage. Like the human, this makes a woman even more aware of her power as the sexual gatekeeper and reinforces her place on the pedestal. A human gets bored really fast playing fetch and a wife gets bored really fast with your chore play and roaming hands once both your heads already hit the pillow.

Dread is very different. If you take the time to study it, the levels include establishing frame, passing shit tests, exhibiting the qualities of a high value man, refusing to be needy at all, and demonstrating that you are the prize, she is the lucky one, and she can easily be replaced. It is also about being attractive and not being unattractive. You clearly do not understand it because dread is the actual progression of red pill, not a different path or an option. Your refusal to internalize these things is a manifestation that you are not actually red pulled yet and shouldn't expect any progress. You tasted the pill, then spit it out and put it away in your back pocket.

[–]SuperCrazy071 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Instead you should have inquisitively said "So, did John like the Axe Body Spray you bought him for his promotion?" all nice and supportive like.

This is just failing STFU in a passive aggressive way instead of the direct way he actually failed. His wife doesn’t care if he knows, she posted on social media about it. Him having a discussion with her about it while pretending to not care is going to end in a colossal fail.

All this goes away when OP actually is the prize.

Step 1 has to be getting your bench above 160. That’s just embarrassing.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The issue is that no matter he says his frame will indicate he’s a jealous little faggot. It’s not what you say but how you say it. That’s the thing about frame - you can’t fake it.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is insightful and gets to the heart of the matter. When I first saw the post about the present, it was obvious that the way to handle it was humorous nonchalance. But there's no way I could have pulled it off because actually I do care and I do feel threatened. That's all true. My frame isn't really there.

[–]Praexology1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

How do I stop feeling like a victim and be the oak?

I think you may have picked up the wrong idea here. Red Pill doesn't teach you to not feel hurt. It does however teach you how to respond to things in a way that is way more advantageous to you (and in mrp's situation) and your relationship.

The 'Oak' can be hurt. But it won't react. You wife will be able to see the pain but the whole point of STFU is so she doesn't know exactly how you feel.

"How far did I push him this time?"

Let her hamster run, as you become more consistent in boundary-setting, especially emotionless boundary setting, the less she'll try to push you. The less this stuff'll come up.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

as you become more consistent in boundary-setting, especially emotionless boundary setting, the less she'll try to push you. The less this stuff'll come up.

It hardly comes up now. The birthday present (which HE posted about, not HER) was the first manifestation in a long time. But where there's smoke there's fire. The fact that she hid it from me is the major red flag.

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What was the gift? There is a chance you're way blowing this out of proportion.

Hiding=/=Not bringing it up.

There is stuff I do all the time I don't tell people about. If it was someone's birthday and I bought them a snickers or something it isn't important enough for me to even bring up.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

A painting made by someone they both used to work with. Again, it's the fact that she didn't tell me. Her logic is "IRYR doesn't like this so I'll hide it from him". Red flag.

Sure, but it's a particular man that she and I have had fights about in the past.

As someone else said this was probably best handled with nonchalance or humor, but that's just not what I did.

[–]Praexology2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Get back at her, sleep with him first.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And have your sloppy seconds? No thanks.

[–]IWantToHelpSometimes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, you will be fine with any sloppy seconds, given that you are used to Chad being in your wife.

[–]IWantToHelpSometimes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wait, is this the same guy you nicknamed "Chad" in you previous post? The guy who couldn't work a grill and had a being wife?

So first he was drinking your beer and now getting gifts using your money?

Why hasn't you fucking moved on from your wife? She is not going to change and it is clear you won't either.

[–]FereallyRedHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I have two pussies. Looking for a man."

Her Tinder profile.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Man.

Being the AG was great.

Women fucking me while their men worked and paying for my lunches with their husbands money.

Fuck.

[–]hack3geRed Beret3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

What the fuck on the downvotes - moralizing mother fucking faggots.

I broke my rule of not fucking a women in a relationship because gym chick wanted to have a threesome. Her friend now calls me to fuck her and tells me all about her boyfriend and his promotion and the house he promised to buy her - all right after I was face fucking her and cumming down her throat.

The only way to win is literally not play and give zero fucks. Swallow that pill mother fuckers.

[–]SoggyTrainCucked by machines0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Too many people getting their egos hurt cuz it's not fair. Red is not the only man whore out their banging dude's wives. Shit I already know who's wives I'd fuck if things went south for me.

There are only two things you can do about this the way I see it.

  1. Be a man who's wife wouldn't risk their relationship.
  2. NGAF if it does happen.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is no mitigating the risk - it can be the equivalent of her going to the fridge for a snack when she isn’t even hungry.

The real solution is being able to replace her with 3 younger, tighter women in a week.

[–]nobsyoga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a noob at this stuff, but a lot a clicked since I last posted about a year ago. You haven't internalized frame yet. It's hard. I takes a lot of time, but it's the one real thing you need to do in order to be grounded in all this and start moving another direction. I can't tell you how I did it, it just clicked with me one day and I moved on from there.

[–]FoxShitNasty830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A few days ago I picked a fight with my wife.  Honestly, I’ve been wanting to fight with her for a while.  The subject was a social media post about a birthday present she bought for another guy (AG). 

Come on mate, seriously. Just shut the fuck up and become a high value man.... is the only course of action when there is a chad sniffing around her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

STFU is a miracle worker.

[–]ImNotSlash0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe don't pick fights you can't win?

And for God's sake your lifts fucking suck. I'm a few years younger and well past that in just over a year.

Focus on shit you can control.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was going Crossfit until last spring and then, predictably, fucked my shoulder. A few months rehab and then started 5x5 SL last fall. My upper body lifts are still lagging, no doubt, but I think I got some traction in the past month or so.

(Also, body weight is 165 lbs)

[–]lefty9290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just based on what you write here it sounds like your wife has eyes for someone with higher value than you. Combined with the fact that you appear to be operating in her frame and you don’t appear to be secure or outcome independent, I’d say you have quite a bit of work to do.

Also if you suspect something you may want to check the MRP sidebar links for the one about monitoring. If you go down this path use recorders/GPS tracking and see if you can catch her in a lie. If you can, as someone else wrote, question her first, because anything a liar admits to is usually 1/10ths of the truth.

In any event, my wife having a close male friend would be a hard-no from me personally.

Focus on your lifts, become happy driven and dedicated with your own life, read NMMNG again and set some fucking boundaries regarding her “friendship” and stick to them, be prepared to leave if necessary.

[–]dilberryhoundog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are tangled in a web of shame and emotional dependency.

You do not have a stable base of self acceptance, whereby you can steadily build yourself using MRP techniques. You won’t get anywhere until you untangle your self.

Deliberately hurting people close to you, is an attempt to transfer the toxic shame that is eating at you.

[–]SoggyTrainCucked by machines0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Most recent: The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck

That's funny right there. Must have missed the NGAF part.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have you read it? It's pretty good.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dear Bitch

You are looking to us for answers

You look to her for approval

Fighting is nothing more than disagreeing with someone. Taking it to another level and waiting, wanting to fight is glorified DEERing, to get your point across. That makes you a bitch

No you are not red pilled, you are doing nothing for you, seeking solice in bitching your wife out

you do you

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

TLDR: your wife knows you are a faggot with no options.

My wife wouldn’t dare start a fight with me - if there is a disagreement or difference of opinion she has changed the way she engages and handles it and is respectful. She used to do what your wife does but I’m not a giant faggot any more and she doesn’t want to lose me.

P.S. other dude is 100% balls deep in your wife, likely in every hole and she loves every minute of it - probably takes it ass to mouth and gargles his cum while it runs down her face. She fights with you and buys him presents - that literally tells you everything you need to know. Good luck with that - I’m expecting the I found out she’s cheating post shortly.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] -2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy

To be clear - I started the fight, not her. Hable usted Ingles, Mr. Lebowski?

[–]hack3geRed Beret1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

No you tried to say something she did was inappropriate and set a boundary and she started the fight to teach you who has all the power.

You don’t speak womanese dumb ass.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Well, look at that. Some insight on this thread. That's the kind of shit I was looking for. This is good.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Stop pretending youre in control, it's off putting.

Guarantee you act like this at home and she finds it off putting too.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You don’t even know what it looks like to have a woman who respects you because you don’t respect yourself.

[–]IRunYourRiver[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Last one was better. This one has a fortune-cookie ring to it.

[–]Cl_ARK0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Nope. He's right.

Your problem is no more complex than fortune cookie level. You want "insight", because you think this is complicated.

It's simple. But Simple <> Easy

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Don’t worry about him he might figure it out some day.

He only understands things at the surface - the second one is too deep for him to understand.

[–]Cl_ARK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t worry about him he might figure it out some day.

color me skeptical



You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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