Feminism has long maintained that men's interests are entirely and always misogyny, and now we can see the long-game play out.
New Zealand just passed a bill that would make sexist comments online a punishable offense:
After it passed by a 116-to-5 vote in New Zealand's parliament, Gareth Hughes, one of the four Greens MPs to vote against the bill, said it was overly broad and “risks limiting our freedom of expression”.
NZ Labour said it was “wedged” by the NZ government: while some of the bill was “worthy of discussion” the law has “deeply worrying” elements.
The bill covers posts that are racist, sexist, or show religious intolerance, along with hassling people over disability or sexual orientation.
Wouldn't be so bad in principle, if we didn't have a social movement hellbent on labelling all of men's interests "sexist."
And here we have it, just another shining example of women trying to invade and colonize a male space. Rollo has a piece on this very thing, if you haven't read it yet, I recommend you do.
(The irony here is palpable: linking a voice for men automatically deleted my post and I have had to manually reapprove it because reddit has already banned the use of the website- for nothing more than being a male space)
What are the implications for reddit and TheRedPill? Well it's not good news, if Reddit wants to operate in New Zealand (which they probably will if they don't already)...
There's a safe harbour provision for Web sites, and here's where the free speech arises. A platform like Facebook or Twitter (if they bothered) can opt into the safe harbour – but only if they agree to remove allegedly offending material either on-demand or within the bill's 48-hour grace period.
Wait, what's this? In order to operate in New Zealand and comply with their laws, they need to agree to basically give feminists carte blanche on a delete button for anything they find distasteful.
Anybody who wishes to defend feminism as simply an equal-rights movement will need some seriously creative gymnastics to skirt around this issue. Even if you could feasibly say that feminists had nothing to do with the law that passed or it's enforcement, there is little you can do to speak against the fact that it is feminism, and feminism alone, that has been on the war path to making sure men's issues, and any form of men speaking with each other without female approval, are inherently misogyny.
I'm curious to see how this plays out. The fact is, as men, a lot of us already knew the feeling of having no belonging and no place for men's interests in the 90s. The internet was a life saver for many of us. If this takes place, you can be sure that men aren't going to roll over and take it again.
Don't believe the lies that feminists tell, that they aren't for censorship or that they're for equality. This will have real impacts and will interfere with the rights of men, and men alone.
What the fuck NZ.
This isn't just about feminism or Red Pill. This is blatant fascist censorship.
The SJW movement has not only penetrated social media, but now government.
I wonder how long it will be before the SJW's and radfem's realize how much they fucked up.
Twitter and Facebook aren't going to be able to appropriately comply with these laws. Free speech is rampant on the internet and especially social media.
Without Facebook and twitter and every other platform these people abuse to yell "RAPE!" and "MISERGERNY!", how will they spend their miserable lives policing others?!
I don't think you'll see them come to this conclusion. They are the higher caste, they will never see bad consequences from these actions.
In the words of Socrates:
Women know this won't be a problem for them, they are already our superiors. Their speech literally cannot be hate speech or sexism, why would they care what laws they pass to fuck us?
Agreed. When there was that whole Kony 2012 thing, several people in my classes at school were up in arms about it. A few years later Kony was brought up during a conversation with the very same people who encouraged it the most. They mentioned how stupid the people were to fall for such a simple trick, which they would never do.
Can you expand on the kony 2012 dilemma?
Bitches got they pantiez twisted over nothing as a direct result of corporate marketing.
^ Could also describe society writ large ; )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kony_2012
Correct. That's why I said I wonder. It's not worth thinking about.
Women can pass as many laws as they like to fuck men. It's artificial superiority. It's a system of control. Like God, aka Patrice O'Neal once said: "Women are the fuckee, and Man are the fuckers." Physically, sexually and mentally, we are superior to women.
The problem is that the mainstream idea being broadcast to men is that they shouldn't be men.
Fine, to those who listen woe be unto thee. I'll be fucking the precious snowflake you admire but can't seem to get naked.
No, we're not - not inherently at least. If men were inherently superior how would females ever get to the point they are now where they've gained ground in actively suppressing the male population?
Men make themselves better, and not all of them do it.
Think about your local drunk guy at the bar and compare him to a female olympic athlete. The difference is work, drive, and discipline.
Men and women are different, and those differences end up producing statistical differences in the population at the end of the day. That doesn't mean men (or women) are better than the other.
Not all men are created equal; Some are more worthless than the most worthless woman.
But I guarantee you, the best man is superior to the best woman.
I'm not arguing against any of those points - but they aren't what was said and what I disagreed with.
Specifically, I'm standing by my original point that the general statement of men being better than women is incorrect. Men may have a higher potential but how many fuckwads do you know with a ton of potential who just sit around smoking weed all day?
Don't you know they are incapable of making mistakes? And incapable of admitting they made them?
wedge politics is a scourge in AUSNZ They dont give a shit about what theyre voting on, as long as it puts the opposition in an awkward position. Wedge bills are necessarily so ridiculous, extreme and poorly constructed/broad because a right minded person needs to baulk at voting for it. And when they refuse to be wedged and go along with it then the process begins again with an even more extreme bill.
Since that "teenage rape gang" bs everyones been super keen to stand up for women in NZ
Except none of that group of rich kids were convicted or charged with anything.
What was the teenage rape gang? I didn't hear about it.
Govs are fascist. They control people to gain power. A gov that wont allow you to have guns, certainly doesnt want you to have free speech either.
Not so fast. I can't have guns here in japan but holy shit, is the internet full of free speech. Media too. The weirdest, most freaky free speech you can imagine. Aside from a few blurred genitals, everything is fair game. Culture is the only restricting factor and that too, is fading.
I would bet I could say a million worse things on the net here without even a spy agency bothering to snoop than you could, for example.
The US spying budget is probably greater than all of Japans defense spending. So that kinda goes without saying.
Soon TTP comes in effect in America, so not anymore
Not fascist, this is what we call cultural marxism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
You can thank these Jews for the slow genocide
The law is not designed to be complied with, it will only be selectively enforced.
It will happen soon in the US as well. I'm 23 and am fully confident it will happen in my lifetime. Tumblr from the top-down.
Well, this is a bit shit. Can someone please remind me what a government's job is, they don't seem to be up to much good of late.
Governments have no set, recognized purpose, which is a big part of the problem.
Am I the only one who cringes at the word "radfem"? Doesn't that implicitly play in to the idea of NAFALT?
We kinda always knew that the dystopian future was going to be anti-sex. We just didn't realize it was going to come from the left.
I swear people were recently circlejerking over Snowden and free speech, but now it's like they all want Big Brother's cock up their ass. This is creepy and sad.
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Your feelings end where my intellectual expression begins.
You cease to exist when you fail to check your privilege
I'm a white male...
My privilege is checked on a daily basis.
It was tongue-in-cheek, but yeah, if you're a male, especially a white male these days, some fat, ugly, white feminist is guaranteed to ensure your "privilege" is checked.
I was ok with this comment last night, but now I'm offended
"You will come to love Big Brother"
The SJW thing is likely the government's response to Snowden.
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Here is the bill text. I think that a case can be made that posting offensive material despite having no "target victim" can still create a victim when the bar for harm is "emotional distress."
ReasonTV just posted a video yesterday about a feminist female professor (is there any other kind?) who was attacked by SJWs in a Title 9 administrative case for the thoughtcrime of writing an article critical of some aspects of feminism.
There was no target "victim" in this case and yet she was called on the carpet by her university administrators just for having written the article.
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I saw that future harm BS too. Pre-crime thoughtcrime here we come.
I think they may be trying to deal with revenge porn and genuine cyber-bullying, but this is just poorly thought out and over-broad. Principles 1, 4 and 6 are crazy.
I'm waiting for someone who is, say, getting fired to bring proceedings against their employer here under Principle 8. Getting fired is "serious emotional distress".
10 (1) (d) is chilling - how do the Police know what communications are going on? Actually don't answer that.
This is gold!
Why don't you put that in your post?
Reading the bill, I just realized that if you want to send a message that is guaranteed to offend people, you'll have to do it with pen and paper (or just print the damn thing out).
Kiwi's primary means of objection is going to end up being a letter writing campaign.
Edit: Surely this impugns on several constitutional articles?
There will come a time when The Rational Male will be smuggled into New Zealand and secretly read by small groups of men like the Bible in Maoist China
Drawing the letters 'TRM' or 'RP' in the sand with a stick like persecuted christians did with the greek alpha symbol.
they drew a fish, not an alpha
Ichthys.... Iēsous Christos Theou (h)uios sōtēr
Jesus anointed, God´s son, savior...
Correct, however...
(Source)
The greek symbol came before Christianity.
I spent my life wondering why the hell some symbol of a fish had anything to do with Jesus, thanks for finally clearing that up
New Zealand male here, loving TRP and rational male and trying to help other men see the truth. We haven't given up yet.
Just got in on kindle
I'll start an underground screenshots rebellion, $1 every 10 pages, you'll get 51% of the profits
pseudo liberals are going to turn firstworld countries into shitholes, this religion is going to be worse than chruch during galileo times
Let's just all start calling ourselves "pre-op transgender dominative-lesbians who are uncomfortable with their femininity".
And essentially just don't change anything about yourself except your legal gender.
That might just be crazy enough to work
I already do - you missed out crossdresser. Means you can be as you are but a super victim - it really annoys SJWs because they cannot say anything about it since they know you're full of shit... Just like them.
Aha! You're totally right.
"pre-op transgender dominative-lesbian crossdressers who are uncomfortable with their femininity"
Pseudo liberals? Are those like democrats who make meth?
Or hipsters who "vote" republican ironically...
Is this enforceable?
It will only be used to silence certain unwanted people, like politicians who don't want to give more benefits to women or men's rights activists.
Yes, selective enforcement is the only practical way these laws can be implemented. On top of that, because what constitutes "sexism" is completely arbitrary and subjective, the government can define just about anything as "sexist" if it wants to.
Let's not forget the definition of racism and sexism has been changed to say you cannot be racist against whites, nor sexist against men.
This shit HAS to stop. If Free Speech is impacted here in the states, it's all over boys
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I feel like this should be a band name.
All you have to do is to reject the wrong woman and suddenly your social life is in ruins forever. Already happened in my country to a few people.
It will be hilarious to watch them try.
The chans will have a field day with this shit. Endless reports of government and feminist sites.
Lets get wikipedia banned for saying men are stronger than women. Pubmed and github up next. Keks for days.
we should really do this. This sounds so god damn funny. 1 week and 100.000 reports later they will think "damn this is not gonna work".
Like trying to sip water from a fire hose.
More like trying to stop water from coming out of a garden hose from the end without the spicket.
Good old "agree and amplify"
Care to slice me a piece of your optimism? Suppression of free speech worked pretty well in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rogue' Cambodia... Now add NSA-style technology to all this.
Men are better than women.
Posted from NZ. Lets see.
That's a pretty low bar for misogyny. Such an understatement might even be a form of white knighting. In my book it's not misogyny until you start exchanging recipes for how to properly cannibalize women---and even then it's misogynistic unless you don't like the recipe.
Not for their small ass police force.
No. It is as enforceable as the "Internet Piracy Law" passed in NZ a few years ago.
http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/internet-piracy-law-come-into-force-4377958
In reality the number of people who have received 'warnings' can be counted in the low hundreds and none (that I know have been prosecuted). Everyone I know around here still pirates like mad.
Bills like these are just sops to satisfy whatever public outrage is the flavour of the month.
This is the type of shit that amazes the fuck out of me. I'm no politician... hell, I not very well educated in politics at all. But jesus christ. How the fuck could this be a good idea in anyone's mind??? Such a waste of time and resources, its ridiculous. I see racist comments online damn near every day I get on the internet. It may offend me, but I never think, "They should enforce a law against this and charge people for it." I just stop reading the comments and/or go to another page. Boom. Problem solved. Expense free.
Because they are progressives. Progressives do what feels good rather than what achieves results.
Seriously, look at the law in Norway about 12 years ago that forced public companies to have 40% of their boards to be women. Then a study came out in 2009 which showed that private companies in Norway (which were exempt from this law) significantly outperformed public companies.
... and today several countries in the EU are pushing for the same goddamn law. Because it feels good and that good feel is more important than the damage to the economy it will cause.
Norwegian here, that law really embarrassed me, but at least we understand more now. We have that amazing documentary by Harald Eia showing the stupidity of feminists. And the results of that law is known too.
What is the documentary name?
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It's still there, labelled "gender studies is nonsense." Great documentary, especially part 1
It is, and rightfully so because its fuckin brilliant. Click 'Gender Studies is Nonsense.'
You're full of shit. The nz government has a right wing majority and are not progressive . The greens (far left) who opposed this bill are progressive.
Does the NZ right wing believe in equality? If so, they are progressives.
Just because they are right of the local center doesn't mean they are not progressive. Hell, the right wing in America even is more centrist than actually conservative, and America is considered far right to just about every first world country.
No such thing really as right wing in NZ, the only parties in that area barely get any votes. National, the party in power are very central. If they were in the USA they'd be considered centre-left.
hes american, so everything bad comes from the progressives and the left/ socialism and everything good comes from the conservatives.
They are assuming that google and you tube will police their content. Good luck with that. New zealand is small i bet they will just pull out.
Could you imagine the backlash if Google(which owns youtube) and Facebook both pulled out because of this? Oh my god it would be hilarious.
College kids would be fucked.
But they already do. https://www.chillingeffects.org/
As long it's illegal in target country, they'll comply on geoip basis. It's like viewing hitler youtube videos in germany, you get a nag screen instead that you should get a proxy or move to someplace less nanny state.
I have never been more disappointed in my home country.
This is one of the things that almost throws me right back to the depression phase.
Dude, this just depresses me. Even blue pill me would know this is very very bad. Has nothing to do with TRP. This is just blatant censorship.
what does it matter any more. in the UK you can get arrested for calling a soccer player a nigger in a tweet. you get arrested for making a joke about nelson mandela dying. in australia you get arrested for saying anything racist. US will go the same way too, as the western first world is on the decline.
meanwhile places like china are taking steps in the opposite direction to have more freedom. eventually the two will intersect, and then it's time to move
I hear ya. I spent nearly 5 years living and working in Moscow, and I never felt more freedom. Speak your mind, drink a bottle of beer in a park, fuck girls without fear of being called a rapist.
I come back to Canada and I subconsciously find myself censoring my speech, following the proper protocols when drinking beer (must be locked in a closet and wrapped in two thick blankets), eyeing all women with deep suspicion, etc.
If I didn't have a business that was doing so damn well, I would say screw the west and move back to Russia.
yeah but dont you dare talk shit on the russian government. They will fucking gameofthrones you.
They only care when you start being an agitator for revolution. If you don't pose a threat to their system, why should they give a shit about you? And what exactly are you going to criticize about a system which enables you to "speak your mind, drink a bottle of beer in a park, fuck girls without fear of being called a rapist"?
Doubtful; The Constitution has always been a pretty strong argument against "muh feelings".
There's a lot of soft power being wielded especially where there's a bottom line for someone, for example the confederate flag. Sure you've a right to display it but when Walmart et all doesn't sell them and Google is purging market place search results for it that right doesn't go a whole long way.
Agreed. The ACLU has and will employee Jewish lawyers to support the right of Nazis to celebrate the holicaust.
There is this cool streak in the American zeitgeist that goes something like "I hate what you are saying but I will fight for your right to say it."
The ACLU already supports Affirmative Action aka the most blatant form of racial/sexual discrimination currently going on in the US. No values are sacred, not even liberty.
Let us not rely on the government or organizations. If we want to keep our liberty, we ourselves must fight for it every day.
The shitty liberal progressive logic of affirmative action is blowing up in their faces now because Asians are pissed off about being discriminated against. Other minorities w much lower grades are getting accepted above them. I love when lib-logic contradicts itself.
It's not true though, not for organizations with some power like the ACLU. If they're talking about Larry Flynt or the Piss Christ guy, they talk about principles and give the line you mentioned. Acceptance or tolerance of these things weakens traditional values in the culture, so they're on board -- supposedly for reasons of principle.
What about the Confederate flag? I haven't seen them rushing to the barricades to defend it. What about cartoons of Mohammed? Do we see them defending free speech against "hate speech censorship?" Point is: they pick and choose when they want to apply their principle and when they don't. Which means in reality they do not follow said principle.
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Since when does the government listen to the constitution? If enough people complain about it (they won't) they can just amend it.
It would be nearly impossible to find, let alone cite, a meaningful precedent to sanction a similar law in the United States. That's not to say there must be a precedent to make law, of course, but that if the U.S. Supreme Court were to vote in favor of something similar to this NZ law, they would be ignoring and superseding the countless arguments featured in landmark Constitutional law that, with great fervor, argue otherwise.
Freedom of speech includes expressions that will disagree, criticize, or offend; this applies to all citizens given that the very reason for its creation was precisely for the purpose of criticism towards the government.
"The sort of robust political debate encouraged by the First Amendment is bound to produce speech that is critical of those who hold public office." - Hustler v. Falwell
"It is a central tenet of the First Amendment that the government must remain neutral in the marketplace of ideas." - F.C.C. v. Pacifica
"The First Amendment does not guarantee that other concepts virtually sacred to our Nation as a whole, such as the principle that discrimination based on the basis of race is odious and destructive, will go unquestioned in the marketplace of ideas." - Texas v. Johnson
"When a man hath been laboring the hardest labor in the deep mines of knowledge, hath furnished out his findings in all their equipage, drawn forth his reasons as if it were a battle ranged, scattered and defeated all objections in his way, calls out his adversary into the plain, offers him the advantage of the wind and sun, if he please, only that he may try the matter by dint of argument; for his opponents then to skulk, to lay ambushments, to keep a narrow bridge of licensing where the challenger should pass, though it be valor enough in soldiership, is but weakness and cowardice in the wars of Truth." - John Milton
Most notably, look at the decision made in Hustler v. Falwell; as a result of being 'outrageously' parodied within the November issue of Hustler Magazine in 1983, respondent, and nationally known religious leader, political activist, and television evangelist Jerry Falwell filed to recover charges for invasion of privacy, libel, and unintentional infliction of emotional distress. The mock interview featuring Falwell's admittedly fictitious interview displayed his 'first time' as a "drunken, incestuous, rendezvous with his mother in an outhouse." Hustler included this parody due to having previously featured other Campari liqueur ads that would notoriously capitalize upon the "sexual double entendre of the general subject of first times." The District Courts dismissed claims of libel and invasion of privacy, but did uphold that Falwell would receive 100K in compensatory damages and 50K more in punitive.
Later, the Court of Appeals dismissed the First Amendment importance of the case by arguing it was irrelevant to the case which they saw as concerned not with protection of speech, but whether or not the defendants had acted intentionally or recklessly. This was met with resistance and granted certiorari by the Supreme Court because of its transparent involvement with First Amendment (free speech) issues.
It was decided 8-0 (justice Kennedy was not involved) that the intentional infliction of emotional distress as the basis or reason for which awards of damages are given is not consistent with the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
This decision was important because it highlighted a few things. (1) the benefits of the free-flowing exchange of ideas are not limited to being positively affected by speech (2) inherent subjectiveness of being offended (i.e., not legally enforceable).
The Court has historically emphasized the fundamental importance and richness that freedom of speech and its inevitable consequences, both positive and negative, contribute to the "quest for truth and vitality as a whole," and that the State cannot restrict content based on what is desirable or not.
"There is no such thing as a false idea." - Gertz v. Robert Welch
TL;DR: it is both consistent and has been upheld that being offended is not a justified reason for receiving damage rewards. In other words, to be offended by an idea/symbol/group is not sufficient reasoning for speech to be suppressed in the United States. There are only a few caveats (e.g., speech meant to incite or imply imminent violence or danger) all of which demand strict scrutiny and a clear and compelling reason. None of which sophomorically indignant mahfeelz-laden feminist/new age rage-posts would pass.
Is that true about Australia? All the Aussies I've met are racist as FUCK. (Maybe rationally so though, I dunno, I've never been there). They aint fuckin with those aboriginals
Australians arnt racist, we just tell it how it is and don't pussyfoot around the truth. But that is changing. It really is becoming sjw hell here and our governments are so legislation happy and the population so enthusiastic about being ruled over by nanny....I fear for the future
We are racist a lot but we don't get as butt-hurt as Americans do. If we get truly offended we smash it out and if not then we yell and then leave (probably).
As for aboriginals, some of them are all good and can be real good mates but some of them (quite commonly the ones who have never worked in their life and claim welfare) can be absolute trash. Some of those aboriginals can be so fucking racist even i get astounded sometimes.
P.S I haven't seen anyone get arrested for saying something racist. Get hit in the face with a brick? Yep. Wearing a pair of cuffs? Nup.
Agree completely. NZ once had a lot going for it, now we face an incoming storm of censorship and state control.
Just take the red pill about how much government actually matters (protip: it doesn't) and then you'll feel better.
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They do. it means whatever the fuck fits them in whatever situation they are using the word. Just like everything else in feminism it is whatever they want it to be. And since no one will(or can for fear of being labeled a rapist or misogynist) call them on their bullshit, it will continue to mean whatever they want it to.
The feminists have succeeded where they failed in Sweden/Norway, the "Saudi Arabia of feminism" according to Julian Assange.
It was nice knowing you, NZ.
My cousin in sweden said that the hierarchy of how things are treated in Sweden goes like this:
Women>children>animals>the environment>men
He told me neighbours have gotten in trouble with the law for simply raising their voice at their kids.
The age of men is ended. So begins the age of Idiots.
We are living in a real life idiocracy world. I like that movie.
That movie is a dog whistle about African countries / welfare recipients that breed out of control. He just made all the actors white so no one would cry racism.
I wonder if this law will apply to the Red Pill Women sub?
It'll get categorized as "internalized misogyny" which is the normal go to censorship tool used when race and gender based accusations aren't readily available.
Sexism and misogyny is only when females have feelings hurt, if men are hurt they deserve it because they would rape me.
Definitely will. Women are given carte-blanche except wherein their ideas are decidedly pro-male. Anti-male is more important than pro-female.
Or with Cosmopolitan.... that magazine objectifies women more than any man
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This. Supposed democratic governments in the west are all clamouring for control of the internet. They have all taken slightly different routes for convincing the public that they should implement means to filter the internet at the ISP level. The U.K. Used porn as their excuse, Aus has been bought out by fucking USA copyright holders because piracy, NZ has used SJW's /feminists. The end result is the government can block any website it sees fit with little oversight. Only a matter of time before criticism of the ruling party can be silenced, at least for the masses who don't know how to get around the censorship.
Would be nice for a sensible discussion on this as opposed to speculation that the Western world is doomed. I would like to know if there were any pressure groups etc campaigning for this.
I have already seen the backlash begin in my country, England. People are sick of political correctness, which is why there has been the huge rise in votes for conservative, eurosceptic UKIP.
This is not strictly a feminist bill as it is just part of the scope. Although Internet laws in the UK are rarely enforced, It is a worrying step. It takes away what the Western world supposedly holds as supreme, individual freedom.
It's not speculation, it's a law that passed that makes our "sensible discussion" illegal in NZ.
I was talking about other members who I can tell are about to shit themselves and spew mindless bullshit in the comments.
Haha, my sister in law lived in England for 4 years (we are Norwegian) and she is disgusted by your political situation. She's shaking her head over UKIP and stuff, but I have to laugh cause I know all countries will have more and more of those parties.
Id agree that it's premature to say the western world is doomed at this point. But it definitely feels more and more like we live in an upside down twilight zone world.
And the notion that the West is doomed cannot be entirely written off. World civilization changes, that is constant. Sometime in the next 100 years I would not at all be surprised if we are overrun by non-western countries.
Just wait till the fragile world economy gets worse or collapses. You'll have bitterly hungry hordes in Asia and the Middle East licking their lips at the remnants of western prosperity and grinning with shining eyes at our weakness, like a crippled gazelle. Plunging into our defensive fire means nothing to people in a desperate state, and surely some of the droves will break through. I can see the Middle East overrunning a crumbling Europe, and China possibly invading the U.S. At some point.
The Chinese already look at us as weak. Their giant population has been gaining a better quality of life and is hungry for more. If the world economy goes seriously south (which it almost certainly will sometime in the next 50 years, if not the next 10-20; it is the only thing keeping cordial relations with China) just wait for all the Chinese to start looking at the American breadbasket hungrily.
Only like 15% of China's land is farmable and they have to feed 1.3 billion people. If things get real shitty economically, they will be looking at us thinking "look at how weak America is. We could use that land so much better. We deserve it more. America fucked the economy in the first place. We can hack their grid and electronic infrastructure and cripple them further. Let's invade."
A lot can change in a few generations boys. Don't expect the West to last forever. I can see the above scenario sometime in the 21st century. Not saying it will happen, but it certainly could, don't doubt that.
'History repeats itself' does not answer for the vast changes, and the extremely volatile situations in these areas.
China do not look at the West as weak. They heavily rely on exports to the USA, and as they are advancing so are their government. It has to to keep up with growth. Consumerism needs open markets and decentralised power. As China develops, risk decreases, unless something serious happens.
Also the Chinese are not stupid people. They also do not think in black and white as 'we could use that land so much better'. They cannot just 'hack their grid'. They will not start a war that is actually impossible to win, even with the help of THE REST OF THE WORLD. (http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a-military-expert-if-the-whole-world-could-conquer-the-united-states). The USA has planned everything down to the tee. Americas defence is more advanced than to anything the public could dream off. Defence at the expense of everything else important in a society. If anyone is going to invade someone I can personally guarantee it will be spearheaded by America.
Islam is in my opinion the biggest cause for concern as of today. This is particularly a issue for Europe. We cannot count the amount coming in, and we have absolutely no idea of their affiliations. Again we can thank America for removing Gaddafi in Libya for this, as he ruled the Libyan shores with a iron fist. Now since Libya is totally destabilised, boats are leaving everyday with potential threats to Europe. This is not even scaremongering, the rise of jihadism has just begun.
Yeah I agree with you about the Middle East being the biggest current threat, definitely.
And I know we are mutually beneficial with China economically. That was my point tho, is if some shit hit the fan in the world economy in the next 50 years, I think our relationship would likely turn sour.
Lastly, I fully know that invading the U.S. would be the most difficult military operation you could possibly think up. But people begin to crave WAR in really shitty times, and if those times come, America would not be immune to attempts. I don't think we have any inkling just how foul things could potentially go. Not saying they will necessarily, but I do believe it's in the cards.
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They can't not leave the EU. Here is an incredible comment by /u/mistervanilla to understand why, I know it's lengthy so here is a TL;DR by /u/ungeiist.
Interesting, I hope they will leave the EU. This corrupt country is a disgrace, maybe they'll get their shit together but I doubt it.
Hopefully it won't happen. My small country is experiencing a lot of propaganda by Russian government. Having in mind situation in Ukraine, it's the real threat for our independence. By being NATO and EU members, we feel more safe. As well as our economy grows rapidly every year. Really bad things are happening nowadays, I hope there won't be collapse of EU or even worse.
In my country, a law is being voted right now to give the government the right to spy on every single exchange one might have with someone else (mail, telephone, internet...). . The bill says one could protest in the case he/she thinks the government is using this right wrongfully but ultimately, big dady government has a veto right. No private life anymore. I bet the next step will be to abolish freedom of speech.
Men won't wake up.
What country is it bro?
It's funny because if you're using the Internet without encryption everything you do online is transparent, if you use chrome it's even worse (https://8ch.net/tech/chrome.html), if the government wants to spy on you it already can (and will). I encourage you to learn how to use Tor.
Freedom of speech doesn't exist anymore.
Thanks. Any more advices on that topic will be welcomed as this is something I eagirly try to educate myself about.
Haha the aussies and kiwis are so fucking faggotized. Good luck.
This law will fail. It's not enforceable. The moment they try to dictate to Facebook and other large companies what they must delete and censor is the moment those sites simply stop doing business in NZ.
There are hundreds of millions of profiles on Facebook. They can't possible manage them all for content.
What's more is that NZ can't possibly field all the complaints that feminists will likely bring against websites.
At best they can block major "offenders" but, again, that will reduce services and content for NZ.
And EVEN if they are successful in blocking content and censoring Facebook, then the "offending" websites just use proxies or false fronts, mirrors, etc.
If you want to see what censorship looks like then look at North Korea. There is no way they can reproduce what NK has done in NZ.
That said, I also think this is a huge boon to men. Why? Because it once again brings men's issues into the public view. What greater way to advance RP knowledge than to defend them in the public theater?
There's no such thing as bad publicity.
The law may fail, but not due to unenforceability. The UK's porn law is unenforceable, but that isn't stopping them from trying. China's censorship laws are theoretically unenforceable but a relatively compliant populace seems to just accept it. America's DMCA would seem unenforceable but YouTube and other sites are more than willing to fuck over their own users and forsake "fair use" doctrine in favor of a "shoot first, as questions later" approach.
DMCA doesnt really work for google searches, just click on the link on the bottom of the page about DMCA notices and it will give you all the blocked pages...
They do not need to enforce it for everyone. They can simply use it to target dissent.
Edit: 'they'
Who is "they".
They is every feminist and white knight out there who will flood whatever office they create to field all the accusations.
There won't be any organization to it or targeting of dissent. They will target everything.
It's a mob and a mob is indiscriminate.
Kia ora, from New Zealand.
This isn't about SJW. The legislation's main intent is to protect children. New Zealand has a high rate of youth suicide, some of which can be attributed to bullying, especially cyber bullying. Supporters of this bill have cited certain social media apps which allows anonymous comments, apps which children (pre-adult) use.
So while the legislation is shit, being far too broad, it's intent is to protect children most of all. How they get around anonymous messaging, I don't know. It is not about SJW or whatever term you want to label people who get butthurt over anything - it's just an adverse repercussion of such poorly worded legislation.
I see your bet, on good intentions, and I raise you with 'scope creep' on your road to hell.
Seconded. Law student from NZ here.
Mrs Lovejoy's shrill voice "Oh won't someone please think of the children!"
We're raising a nation of pussies. If you're being harassed on social media, block the person and move on. Better yet, don't bother with facebook or social apps at all.
We're failing our children in trying to protect them without teaching them how to protect themselves. This is a problem in the west writ large with hopeless helicopter parents who blame their failures on the rest of society.
I agree completely.
It's sad that some are bullied to the point of suicide, but things like this aren't really going to help.
Exactly. How are these people going to survive in the real world, where daddy government won't protect them (and in many cases is actively suppressing them)
Competing against them will be easy for us though, so I can't complain too much
This post should be at the top.
The legislation's stated aim is to protect children. Lots of dubious bills are passed under the guise of protecting children. Look at how many spying laws are pushed with the touted aim of catching pedophiles.
It's a social manipulation trick used by politicians.
Shh...that does not fit into our narrative. We are trying to raise an army here.
Ok. Where are the parents?
Correct me if im wrong, but it's the parents' job to protect their children. If my daughter is telling me that she is being cyber bullied, you know what I would tell her? That these are only words on a screen, and that she is strong and shouldn't let measley little words affect her.
I thought feminism was all about creating strong, independent women. All I see is little girls being told that they are weak and fragile, and that they need government to protect them.
Everyone should just flag all the feminist rants as sexist. There is no reason it shouldn't swing both ways, that's what they purport to be fighting for.
Like that's going to happen. The companies, police and courts are going to give SJWs a pass, and label anything against feminism as hate speech.
Gareth Hughes was immediately charged as the first person in violation of the new law, and is up for early release in 2017.
I think it goes beyond this. They can class anything as sexist even if it isn't and people will not look in to what it really is. They can take down anything they dislike and call it sexist.
I've got plenty of facebook friends who somehow think every advertisement ever made is sexist. This is a nightmare. Just talking about basic hereditary biological in relationship with gender, race, disabilities or sexual preference is bound to hurt or offend somebody. This is horrifying in it's scope.
People are very misinformed about this Act - it isn't nearly as bad as you make out. TRP won't be illegal by any stretch. It's not illegal to read offensive material online, and it's only illegal to POST offensive material if it's directed at an individual. And even then, the person who's targeted has to jump through hoops to do anything about it.
Local news coverage
While I don't like the Act too much, it really is targeted at "cyberbullies" who harass individuals. It won't stifle discussion forums like TRP.
As a Kiwi RPer, perhaps I'll avoid tweeting about a Kiwi Sarkeesian or Sulkowitz. It's stupid, but that's about the level of censorship this will cause - for now at least.
This is where the law would backfire if men were prone to telling on people. A majority of direct sexist attacks come from SWJ's and militant feminists. Hell, there are countless hashtags based on man hate that could be taken down..
While i don't like drone bombing much, it is really targeted at "terrorists " who terrorize individuals. It won't harm good, law abiding people like peaceful citizens.
The Red Pill is 120 thousand fit college educated middle class men. If we really wanted to we could invade New Zealand and install a new government. We definitely have the manpower. There are plenty of veterans here. Plus everyone here knows where the magazine release is on an M16, from years of playing Call Of Duty.
Realistically the Red Pill Reaction Force would be far more effective than half the world's militaries. The Afghan military is fucked up on opium. The Iraqi army cant even do jumping jacks.. Plus New Zealand has only 8 thousand military personnel the majority of whom are useless paper pushers.
I don't actually support the violent overthrow of New Zealand. I just think its kind of a fun idea conceptualy.
Ahahahahahahahaha.
Sincerely, New Zealand.
Doubt this comment will last mate, they've deleted anything that hurts their feels.
Are you fucking retarded? Do you seriously believe the red pill could overthrow New Zealand. Hahahahahaha
Have we ever actually polled for this? I mean it intuitively makes sense, but now I'm very curious to see the demographics of our subscribers.
Nope, and I would guess less than half fits this description.
Iv skyped approximately 200 Red Pillers and my Twitter subscribers also confirm this. The average age is about 22.
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I thought what we did was called "camming." $4.99/min
What would you say the median income is? Or job fields?
I just like looking at charts lol
Most of them are still in university. So they are very skilled intelligent men without income. The most common field is programming.
Hmmm. Perhaps I should do a "How to Manage a Software Engineering Career" post.
I wondered about this and was guessing the same thing. There is no better training for your brain as a man than programming. Writing software forces you to think in a purely logical manner in order to accomplish your goals. Computers don't care what you want them to do. They will only do exactly what you tell them to do, for better or worse. They will never give in to feelz and bullshit you with blue pill nonsense.
IMO, every piller should learn how to program, even if they never apply it to their career. It is lifting weights for your brain.
you need vets without jobs. They almost always turn to brigandy. It was a huge problem for Rome. Take some unemployed vets and equip them.
All those programmers, we need a robotics engineer, then you could just develop autonomous robo-killers to go in alongside the ground forces and kill them even faster / reduce moral of the rest of the military / civilian population.
Wouldn't the first step then be designing a usable secure, back door free communication platform?
It would be much more effective to ask the mods to allow a survey, via survey monkey or Google Forms, to verify that data.
Really easy to set up and if mods sticky it for 7 days, incredibly useful. They should also throw in some common questions that keep appearing, "will the pill handbook ever be edited and polished, made available print on demand, is it possible to get top comments reconstructed into news feeds monthly or weekly, etc"
Ridiculous. I'm not sure if it's worth trying to comprehensively injecting some realism in here, or if it's better to let everyone hold their power fantasy.
In short, the NZ Army is very well trained and equipped. Comparing to the Iraqi army or Afghan army is ridiculous - the NZ Army is directly descended (<200 years ago) from the British army. It has fought alongside the US Army numerous times (e.g. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan).
That's just for starters. I don't think bodybuilding and CoD are going to stand up.
I'm pretty sure GLO is just having some fun. The rest of the west obviously isn't going to let a bunch of dudes on the internet take over New Zealand.
I don't think there is any way to revert back to policies that are fair or reward hard work or protect liberty. I also think there won't be a collapse, at least not in my lifetime. I see more of an Orwellian/Huxleyan dystopian thing playing out where everyone just kind of trudges along half asleep. Hell we are about halfway there already.
The 'rest of the west' has nothing to do with it. As a Kiwi, I welcome you dumb cunts to have a go. Haven't had long pork in too long.
The better and more realistic way would simply be to show up there.
If you could sneak in through beaches and congregate, you could likely eventually secure citizenship. Then you could demand legal changes, etc. a force of 120000 committed and unified men could easily dominate parliament.
You are forgetting that GLO has the Russian mentality. We will just rush them in great numbers and beat them with our hats. No ammo/guns necessary.
Maybe one sniper needed.
I thought the Russian philosophy was let them invade Mother Russia. Mother Russia will freeze them to death.
Combined with "We have more people than you have bullets" and Russia wins every time.
Russia is always the cornerstone of my Risk campaigns. Few games go by without me pounding on the table screaming, "Mother. Russia. Will. Not. FALL!"
Zerg rush. I'll be commander Zerg.
They are only have 4,500 regulars. Im sure there is an asshole somewhere who is willing to arm, train and fund our anger phase boy army. My guess is North Korea, Iran maybe China or Russia. We can't be too picky.
I'll respond as if you were serious, but perhaps you're trolling.
4,500 regulars is just the army. The full military includes the navy and airforce, and is 10,000 strong of trained personnel with a $3B annual budget and the experience of fighting in the aforementioned wars. In the case of a ground invasion you have to further consider 1 million military aged men (and a further 1M women) who could take up arms as readily as the average Redditor.
If North Korea wanted to help the RP army (the other 3 are preposterous), you have to consider the long-standing allies NZ has (e.g. Aus, UK, US). NZ has fulfilled its military obligations to fight alongside allies in dozens of wars.
Yes invading another country is a fun idea if we want to suspend reason. For someone interested in international politics and military combat, it just sounds silly.
Sounds like a feminist PsyOp to me. Nice try feminists but we are going to conquer New Zealand. We can get Mens Rights in on the action too.
In the news: Roid Rager who went by handle of "GayLubeOil" arrested and held in solitary under anti-terror laws. Advocated violent subjugation of women and believed rape and beatings to be a divine right from Brodin. More news at 11.
Only thing left is for us Kiwi RPers to pick an allegience.
Look up the Korean war. We were off guard and we got our asses kicked. If we strike before they can field and train regular soldiers and capture key places, it'll be a cakewalk. We'll be done by Christmas!
I can't tell if you actually can't tell he's joking or if you're just fucking with me.
Not the mention the logistics, administration, and finances involved with operating any modern army. Run and gun won't do the job.
The middle east pulls it off because they are living in a hell hole financed by oil. They recruit desperate people into using ex-soviet surplus and improvised weapons in an asymmetric fashion. You want me to leave my middle class lifestyle and die for a cause? That's way worse than beta self-sacrifice.
And if anyone thinks the US, UK, CA and AUS wouldnt jump in for NZ is dreaming.
Well, in that case, we'll do what we do best. Improve. You heard the man, guys. Learn to shoot a gun, learn about military strategy and learn about firearm/military equipment engineering.
I'll start right now and watch a documentary on how tanks work while on the treadmill.
Every man should know how to shoot, disassemble, and clean a rifle.
how could you take this shit serious.
Recently I've become quite heartened about the long-term future of our society, because I've noticed how astronomically, incredibly well I've done in my career since I swallowed the pill. I seriously doubt I'm unusual in this respect; in 20 years time more than a few of us are going to be in positions of serious power and we may see some positive change from that alone. No need to invade anyone, climb the ladder and shit on the degenerates from above.
Im just saying we have more than enough anger phase 19 year old boys to seriously fuck shit up. We could install a Jeffersonian democracy where only men have the right to vote. Then we can prove our theories right once and for all!
If these satirical comments make me the most wanted man in New Zealand, im definitely going to cashing in these bad boy points for unlimited sex.
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Anger phasers are my favorite reds. People give them a lot of shit but without them we'd lose our tone, edge, message, and drive. Anger phasers are the backbone of the red pill. They may not always have the most coherent or accurate beliefs but they make up for it with sheer rawness. Reading an anger phase post versus an old veteran is the difference between taking a woman's virginity and fucking your wife of 25 years.
Set your anger phasers to stun, or kill?
I love my anger, it keeps me warm. I don't let it run my life, rather I use it and channel it into awesomeness. It gives me that edge you speak of, without dulling the blade or overheating it.
I know what you mean, man. People make the mistake of thinking that the anger is caused by misogyny, but really the anger is caused by reality. /u/All_fixed_again's post yesterday where his wife of 15 years kept
gaslighting himlying to his face so she could cheat on him with some guy from her online class... Fuck, how could a person not get angry by that?Anger is the fuel that drives so many Redpillers to change and become powerful men.
damn sorry to let you down CWM. I never got mad. Just kinda tiredly resigned.
You wouldn't stand a chance
Don't worry, you're not alone. Plenty of other burgeoning school shooters in this sub.
young people are flocking to terrorist groups like ISIS, i know you are joking but i believe you could actually create your very own "red pill army" if you really wanted to.
If a law like this we're to pass in America I wouldn't hesitate to join an organization devoted to fighting it.
And they would do what exactly?
Considering the number of daddy-issues 19 year old boys you've recruited into the Cult of Odin, I suspect you're probably a few years away from having a minor private army at this point. You need a cult compound strategy asap. I recommend taking over somewhere in South America instead, way hotter women than the kiwis.
My Cult compound is definitely going to have a nice gym. Thats all I know.
Fuck it, Im in. Dying for a good gym. I dream about squat racks instead of quality ass these days.
Don't forget the cafeteria consisting of oats, milk, and chicken.
Kick ass NCO ready to go. Middle Earth will be our bitch.
Would rather fight in the mountains than in the jungle. Personal preference.
mountian jungles are the fucking worst. As much as I hate the heat of the desert, you can see a great distance
We already have South America. I mean, there are some imperfections but anybody who's dated women down there probably isn't going to find as much reason for a coup as in feminized places.
Source: just spent a month in Colombia, which has ruined American women for me forever.
I have only been involved with Argentine women for 15 years.
And Australia could invade and restore freedom
As they say, "think as you like but behave as others." and "don't talk the red pill, show them the red pill." I am also doing something similar.
People ask me how I do it all the time, and I only tell a certain few that I know are open and accepting of the way the world works about the red pill, while the rest I tell them no idea.
Leading through example is the best way to lead. Admiration is stronger than love or fear.
That always seemed like the end game to me. Our goal isn't to change society but how could hundreds of thousands of extremely antifeminist motivated achievers with presumably high social status not lead to change.
And in practice, if and when you do get to the top, you'll have come to the same realization the ones at the top have already arrived at - it's more profitable to keep the status quo than make things fairer fort men.
A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. The greeks understood this, every non-degenerate society in human history has understood this, and it's ultimately the failure of the generations above us that led us to where we are now. They failed to carry the torch their ancestors had been carrying for 100000 years, and decided it was cool to ignore the accumulated wisdom and knowledge of the men before them. I owe my existence today to the fact that, somewhere back in pre-history, one of my grandfathers was the type of dude who would kill a bear with a stone axe just to stop it harming his children.
I ain't letting him down. I couldn't look myself in the eye. What kind of ungrateful little bitch would that make me?
I know this comes up from time to time, but most people in positions of power NOW are RP. It's just not worth it to go against the grain (48 Laws, etc. etc.).
If I'm running for president, and, in a fake vacuum that I constructed for this comment, I can choose to be for men's rights or choose to be for women's rights... well... men can suck my presidential dick.
-Redium-
Redium (pronounced ree-jee-um) is a large set of islands, formerly known as New Zealand, off the east coast of Australia. The nation has a small population of 5 million, however it also is known to boast the world's highest GDP per capita.
The history of Redium can be divided into three sections: the pre-colonial era, during which Maoris lived as a simple tribal society in the region, the British era, during which the nation was known as New Zealand, and the Modern era, marked by the sudden reversal of national policies in 2018. The nation at this time was the center of a world-wide crisis, when a large number of unknown mercenaries attacked the country. The locals were unable to provide resistance to the 120,000 strong invaders (most likely due to poor soldier quality), and the nation underwent drastic social and political change.
Redium, once thought to be a likely first candidate to fall to social disarray, escaped most of the decline of the 2020's with its new leadership. This is thought to have been due to conservative social policy, and has since maintained the world's highest standard of living.
Invaded by Australia and loses the war
Redium also holds the accolade for the state with the most gyms per 1,000 citizens, standing at 50.
Clothing sizes in Redium do not conform to international standards. Instead of small, medium and large, the sizes ascend as follows: do you even lift?; noob gains; constant pump; swole; beast mode; and Arnold.
Let's go you shit kicking cunts, I'll happily eat your fucking heart. You want to invade New Zealand, you better have a shit fetish because you're going to be covered by the end of it. I'll stomp your muzz you fat headed bitch. Seig fuckin ow and yo fucking Za, will come together, Chinese takeaways and Indian dairys will supply the troops, that bakery down the road will probably even have a sale (fucking rip off cunts) I forsee this invasion being an awful experience for you.
Before you invade a country, you're going to have to harden up enough to stop deleting comments that mock you.
I font have the power to delete other people's comments.
I know you were joking, but I've been fantasizing about living in a society where the average person was both useful and coherent. Is there any chance the higher-ups on TRP could make a poll for the best places to expat to, so I have a better idea of where I'll find you all? Here's my list, in order:
Bulgaria
Ecuador
Laos
Yo dawg pass me one of them "degrees". Doesn't matter what it's in, whatever will work best for New Redpilland.
There's no guarantee that because someone subscribes to r/theredpill that they hold red pill values.
Well do a Blood Pact to make sure everyone is on the same page.
Good call. Blood makes the grass green, after all.
Where shall my blood be spilt
guessing you haven't seen the haka performed, that shit is scary
Where would you get the money from to assemble such a a force? Why wouldn't you get shot down by New Zealand or even Australia before you arrive. If you arrive by sea why wouldn't Australia's navy obliterate you?
Heck why wouldn't the US obliterate you?
Lol, the fact that you think you would seriously have a chance vs actual armies Bcz you've played CoD is an example why this sub is a joke
Casualties would be high. It is home to the riders of Rohan after all...
We'll need the Orcs and the undead army to take Rohan.
As much as I like this idea, I can't. My plates need me.
That third guy in from the right doing the jumping jacks must have thought the order given was to "walk like an Egyptian".
But your idea for invasion would make a good movie: working title, "Red Pill Dawn". The plot would revolve around a small band of alpha males and RPWs liberating NZ from the matriarchy.
Let's all collectively fuck New Zealand and make it an official RP Plate.
I would be down on two conditions. I bring my sword and gaylubeoil his own version of the braveheart speech. https://youtu.be/gr_OpFxCx-A
I could loan you a rifle, I have several. Buy your own ammo though.
As long as the bullets are not that expensive
this is literally the most hilarious thing I've ever read and further confirms that everyone here is a moron. Go ahead, try and invade New Zealand with your army of neckbeards. I'm sure New Zealand and their allies would find it hilarious.
Shun the nonbeliever
You just get my up-votes for the oats and the Charlies.
Do you really think anyone here is serious about this?
I bet you he is. There are a lot of autists spergs on Reddit making all sorts of sperg comments in fun threads like this.
Easy to deflect by going "lol we aren't serious!!" when it's clear many are.
Massive UV. Lets conquer New Zealand and do that cool dance their soccer team does before matches!
NZ government officially more beta than my country's (Sweden) government
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So as I man can I report things on Facebook or Twitter that are anti man or man hating to be removed because I consider them offensive or sexist? And they'll be removed then right?
The other fun part of this bill: you can't criticize a religion either. Sorry guys, if you say anything bad about ISIS and the religion of peace, and you live in NZ, you're going to jail.
couldn't we just say that a lot of the shit feminists come out with is clearly sexist - against men - and give them a taste of their own, censoring medicine?
I say use the report button an their sexist posts, call Misandry! the are spouting hateful messages against men! Do this to every one of their posts/video's and see how this goes. DO not waver at all, do it to all of these cunts.
So I can't dislike religion and actually say it? Well fuck. I'm glad I don't live in middle earth.
Now I wonder, will sexist comments against men also be curtailed, or only the criticism of special snowflakes with vaginas.
George Orwell was on the money. We are being targeted for 'ThoughtCrime'
Sorry for your loss of freedom of speech, NZ. My condolences.
But they kinda just created a double edged sword. Now guys can call out misandry. There will be a post somewhere where a girl will say "suck it up, and be a man." and boom, some guy will have the right to call out sexism on that comment.
Guys, protect yourselves. Sign up for a VPN if you live in NZ. Or heck, anywhere. I don't have much knowledge of NZ VPN's, but you definitely want one that keeps minimal logging.
Any NZ IT professionals want to chime in?
Women belong in the kitchen. TAKE THAT, NEW ZEALAND YOU COMMIE FUCKS.
COME AT ME YOU FUCKING DUMBFUCK PUSSY CUNTS, AND FUCK YOUR WIVES, THEY'RE SHITTY COOKS
It's not like these bitches can cook.
Nz has right wing government
Economically maybe. Socially? No way
Everything from far-left to the far-right is poisoned by PC totalitarianism and cultural marxism nowadays.
Aside maybe from some staunch libertarians, no political fraction is currently upholding freedom of speech.
There goes freedom of speech.
It was always bound to happen. Feminists gain control, marriage and sexuality turn into something entirely different, and suppression of supposedly inalienable freedoms follows swiftly to oppose common sense.
Free speech and liberty in general is on the decline in much of the Western world. Spain just passed a law that makes it illegal to criticize the government and the monarchy, disrespect authority, or have a "spontaneous" protest in front of a public building, amongst other things. The West is an absolute vipers nest and it's only going to get worse; I encourage you all to set your sights on new horizons.
Such as where? That is what I am trying to figure out now.
Can we use this to get feminist websites banned?
I read the letter of the law. It seems like a bill designed to tamp down revenge porn and "cyber bullying" but it just goes so far off the deep end.
It defines "harm" as hurting someone's feelings. No seriously, it does.
What. The. Fuck.
Pretty sure when the Anzac forces ran up on Gallipoli they weren't defending the right for a person not to have their feels hurted.
Damn.
Criminalizing online speech has severe chilling effects. Are you still willing to participate in an anonymous discussion here if there are prosecutors or plaintiffs that can serve a subpoena on your ISP to disclose your identity?
I think you should anyway. Cowering does nothing except give you a false sense of security.
I completely agree, and I'm not going anywhere. The problem is that there are going to be some folks that won't take the risk, so they'll never post, and others may be too scared to even read the material.
And that's the point of the law, isn't it?
Had a friend over, he used the computer. prove otherwise.
Have EVERYONE do that, en masse. I could really bash these fuckers skulls in that propose these laws. How many millions died so we could freely speak? Unbelievable.
New Zealand just banned freedom of speech?
No. This terrible in principle. I don't know NZ law and perhaps freedom of speech isn't a right there or it's watered down or something but no, silencing ideas is never okay.
You know, I really don't see this as an attack on men. This looks more like an attack on free speech to avoid people from being a little offended by words on the internet. Perhaps feminism is what inspired this whole PC craze and they might use this bill against men's space but I doubt this was designed specifically with sexism in mid.
The reason I see it as an attack on men is that there are very few ways these laws will be construed to limit normal female speech, but rather only normal male speech that is already considered hate-speech.
Hatespeech is speech from a nonprotected class towards or about a protected class not considered politically correct.
Sometimes, a bad idea really doesn't even deserve bad publicity. Suppose one nutjob decided that Asian people want to be slaves, and tried to preach that idea to other people. Sure, we can hope that that idea wouldn't get anywhere, but look at what not rejecting feminism has done to western society.
I shudder to think about the repercussions of the next serveral generations, where men are woman-like.
Can you imagine a country where feminism reigns in a war against a country where it has very little to no influence at all?
Steel sharpen steel, no woman made me a man.
It's not women that instill the courage and fear of ridicule that makes men step into combat. They may inspire men to protect them, but not to aggressively attack threats.
low birthrates, unhappy women, weak faggoty men, feminism destroys everything it touches. The country embracing feminism would be embarrassed.
All of this is a global attempt at silencing public forums of all types. The male space/feminism battleground is simply one small battle in a much wider war for control of the entire human species.
Divide and conquer boys, it's worked for millennia
Time for all kiwi men to get the fuck out and see how NZ deals with that. However, I guess there will be enough betas to accept being nothing more than slaves though.
A bit off topic, can someone tell me what am I?
I always believed I was a liberal, I strongly believe in individual freedoms, freedom of speech and expression, freedom of religion or lack thereof...
While I do not condone hate speech, I find it everyone's right to voice their opinions and concerns even if they appear to be on the extremist spectrum.
The way I see it, I am ok with having a priest, a neo nazi, an atheist and a fascist all with a platform on which to voice their opinions and preach their ideology. Because in the end, we are intellectuals who can use our brains to decide which ideology to follow.
From what I see in the comments (here and other subs and threads) it is the liberals who are oppressing "hate speech", shutting down "toxic" communities hint fph hint and siding up with the feminazis.
A recent test I have taken told me I am on the right wing liberalism, is it what I really am?
EDIT: Also, fuck political correctness, the world is turning into a huge fucking hugbox
Libertarian most likely. Those tests online just go from democrat to republican or liberal to conservative.
Try this test: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php
It uses two axis for figuring out your party leanings. So there are four possible results, instead of the typical two.
Very libertarian just like I thought
These days you have to make a distinction between classical and social liberalism.
The former is what the word "liberalism" generally used to refer to at the dawn of the democratic era, but nowadays the word tends to be used to refer to the latter. This is especially true in United States politics -- e.g. when Fox News types rail against "liberals" they are talking about social liberalism's focus on social equality at the expense of individual liberty. Generally, classical liberal values fall under the umbrella of "libertarian" now.
What the fuck. I am glad I left New Zealand last year.
So I've been thinking about this for a while. I've lived in 3 different western countries in my life - one of them being New Zealand, but also Australia and currently the US. All hot spot breeding grounds for feminism. I hear europe is pretty bad too.
What countries or regions left in the world haven't succumbed to feminism and are still red pill? I hear south america spouted about a lot on here but we know that's not true either.
The middle east? Is that it? Anywhere else?
Trying to figure out where I might need to escape to one day in the next few years.... because it seems none of our current countries are going to be safe for much longer :( I also see single white males are probably going to get taxed harder and harder in the coming years.
Would Dubai be a good safe bet?
Countries without any form of welfare tend to be the most RP. I have lived in both Philippines and Kenya.
Of the two, Kenya is the most RP. It is also a fairly tough place to live. There is a shortage of available men and if you are a woman, you actually need someone to protect you in most neighborhoods.
Interesting. I was just reading the Nigerian thread, too. Having a thing for African women... moving to Africa might not be such a bad idea. Once I finish making my money in the US, I could totally see myself going there to retire in a few years time.
I've always wanted to go to South Africa (mostly because its an ex british colony and i'm from Aus/NZ and would feel more at home there) but Nigeria, Kenya as you mentioned, and others are all good possibilities. Cheers!
So, if someone troubles a 1 meter negro male dwarf, dressed as a woman, a pastafarian pasta strainer on his/her head, severe downs syndrome and a fetish for goat anal sex... one could go to jail.
This is just an attack on free speech. A global trend that is extremely dangerous.
The internet is a vast all-encompassing heaven of a wasteland; laws like this shouldn't be allowed to exist. Someone's feelings are going to get hurt by some stranger miles away from them and they feel like that person needs to be punished? Some coddling bullshit if you ask me.
Once in effect and being used, it might be good if a few guys searcg fir sexist texts made by feminists from New Zealand. Texts that argue for killing men or something, plenty of those around. And then file multiple police complaints. Might shake things a bit up at least.
SJW's are only brave when they can get others to do their work for them. In this case, government.
This is great news for New Zealanders. From day, I will be submitting so many claims of sexism. Its gonna be good.
I'm sure that this law will be applied in an equitable and fair manner, and will apply to any females making any anti-male comments. Oh wait...
This is why I laugh when people suggest the USA needs hate laws. One of the few perks in living here is that we still have the freest speech.
NOBODY should be celebrating this- not even opponents of the red pill or sexism.
Stalin would be jealous. He had to kill millions to enforce this level of conformism and thought control. Now we actively encourage it.
The hilarious thing about this is that with every radfem/sjw victory more and more men will just go away. Women will look around and complain 'where are the men?' Meanwhile, dudes will just retreat to their hobbies, porn, hookers and whatever else matches their fancy.
We create the fun spaces. We populate them with good humor, fun, sexy energy and flirtation. When we leave, they're left with a bunch of bitches in hooker heels and bandage dresses trying to fuck the only four alphas in a room. It's like they have literally no idea how to use foresight and are painting themselves into a reproductive corner.
Charge a few women for breaking that law and watch how fast they get rid of it.
obviously that won't happen. Same as domestic violence by women being ignored by courts and police almost always.
I thought, "It's probably because TheRedpill doesn't use the word 'cunt' enough to meet New Zealand standards."
How the fuck did this slip under the radar? I've literally not heard anything about this
Everyone is blaming the wrong people. It's not women, or feminists, or even SJW doing this. It's politicians, bending their weak spines in half, to try to please the most vocal jackasses in the world.
Ever since John Key got elected (ex fed banker surprise) he seems hell bent on making this place lil'America. If the TPP passes he'll have pretty much succeeded.
Redditards never ceases to amaze me.
But this ain't fascist, oh no, how dare you, only a kind of people can be fascists.
(P.s., since so many people doesn't seem to know, the fascist regimes originated on a lefty base)
This is not exclusive to feminism or New Zealand folks...the left wing fascists are constantly trying to limit our freedoms (ummm, and their own at the same time, duh) through legislation. Mandatory vaccination is another one, Australia is ramping that one up. Hate speech laws totally fall under this banner. Canada has super shitty free speech laws and they are getting worse. And guess what...the fucking ladies will have to adhere to this law as well! The bullshit Euro Economic zone has one in the works already that once passed all countries belonging to the EEC will have to adhere to.
Edit...this is why we red pillers are, wether we like or not, activists.
This isn't fucking about men against women, it's a cultural-marxist power grab to control speech on the internet for purposes of silencing dissent and it's happening in almost all developed nations. People, even children, being arrested for having the wrong opinions. It's already happening and it's not too many steps from this position to the creation of an online Stasi.
New Zealand has long been in the grip of apathetic population. This is a natural progression. Another reason to become an expat.
Meh, no one cares about the bill lol
Source:born and raised
Download the program "Hola" and you will be able to read through a proxy
Weird, I didn't knew sheep used the internet.
Excuse me? As a Kiwi, that's racist and I'm very offended. Please come to my country so I can have you arrested for such behaviour.
A law like this is quickly repealed by making sure it hurts women. I encourage New Zealanders to start reporting every sexist thing you see women post. From "he's the man so he pays for the date!" to "killallmen"
[Also, start using TOR browser or at least a decent VPN]
I think its a bit premature/sensationalist to claim that TRP specifically has been banned in NZ.
I'm curious to see how it plays out too.
I lived in New Zealand years ago. I am American. When I was there I was definitely BP. I was so blind and thought they had their shit under control. Beautiful women (not kiwis but all the foreign HBs on Holiday) and had a great go. What the fuck NZ, I wanted to move back one day.
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You broke the law but their ugly asses broke men
We should ask the question how can we turn that law against feminism?
That law give the power to put feminists on trial for sexim, It is time to take those person to the court.
It will be a victory what ever the judggement can be: either the feminists get condamned or the judge give a proof that the justice system is turned against men.
And for those who think about civil war, stop it now. it is exactly what the sons of bitch that fund feminisim want, in order to avoid their coming fall by hiding into the confusion of a war.
I wholeheartedly agree. SJWs regularly make crude and demeaning remarks on men, maybe it's time men started using this law to take them on.
This. A billion times, this.
Feminism and liberalism, there you have it all in a nutshell. fuck free speech, right?
When will people wake up from their SJW induced coma?
They keep pushing their shit.
I wonder what will be take the last drop of feminism to break the camel back and revert all their BS.
I have noticed some YouTube responses from women who aren't confused about their sexuality, or aren't prone to lesbianism. So there is some push back, however small it is.
These New Zealandan feminists neber lern meng
Link?
I can't find anything:
Never mind here is something.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/01/nz_swings_banhammer_at_trolls/
First Tyler The Creator now this.
Cultural Marxism going rampant. Expect this to happen in all industrialized countries in the coming 20 years. The decline is very real. Soon enough I expect they are going to put out laws which would make it illegal to say sexist, racist, any kind of -ist things in both public and private places. Well they already do of course but it's going to get much worse.
It's not gonna be overt though. In typical Machiavellian fashion it's going to be to protect children or women or whatever other group of victims that could garner sympathy. Shit boys growing up in the upcoming years are going to be in for a wild ride. They'll probably just give them Ritalin as soon as they leave the womb.
I hope to shit there's a few guys out there willing to black-knight to the full extent of the law.
It IS bad in principle. THe principles themselves are what is fucked up about this very law.
Bill Maher had a great segment where he called out his fellow liberals on the free speech issue, reminding them that free speech doesn't mean "speech I like." I think it extends to political hypocrisy in general.
It's funny to watch, as the pendulum has swung in favor of gay rights (for the record, I've always been fine with them getting married), gays have turned right around and begun viciously going after people for life choices and speech they don't like. Don't want to make a cake for a gay wedding? Well then, we'll issue death threats to you and take your business. Go on TV and say you wouldn't supply pizza to a gay wedding? We'll, you guessed it, make you fear for your life and destroy your livelihood.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime. It's so severe for one reason - to make an example out of anyone who dares oppose them. That's a little taste of life under a leftist government, which is what we're moving towards.
Oh, shut up with that "leftist" shit. Look at the only ones who voted against this. Representatives of the Greens. They're leftist.
Honestly, it sounds like SJWs are going to be hurt a lot more by this than TRPers.
You really think that the law is going to target SJWs? The police and courts are going to give SJWs and feminists a pass like they do in so many other cases.
Racist? Not once have I encounter anyone being racist here
Hmm.. And one day we find a dot missing from the map. Sweden/UK/US/India to follow?
Never look to what a woman says; it's what she does that's important.
Surely this goes both ways, if any comment is sexist against men then the same will apply?
No, because sexist doesnt apply to men
Any chance this could backfire? I mean legally equal rights would mean men get the same average alimony as women, child support prison sentences etc.
Or look at r/tumbrinaction saying men can't be raped or eye contact is rape is blatant sexism. I don't expect it to be enforced but one could make the legal case
As usual, the greens are the few that vote for reason.
You all know this will all backfire horribly in a decades, maybe some of us will miss it, but luckily (or sadly cause of the cognitive dissonance) our children won't.
Don't worry about such ridicule laws... it will never be used or once to make an example.
it's like the anti male Canadian (and Swedish) prostitution law. In Canada they arrested 0 men. In Sweden they arrested 5 then they gave up.
It's all for Show.
Yes it would be bad in principle any way you cut it. There has to be 100% tolerance for all opinion. Any crackdown on speech is a slippery slope.
they probably have a charter of rights; I'm sure political moves like this could be struck down easily
groups gain attention by looking unfairly victimized
This makes me want to run a proxy through New Zealand every time I post any Red Pill doctrine.
I can only see this ending well
Can we somehow start a new site to post the content to?
How can we untangle RP biology/psychology useful information from "mens rights" whiners?
Why can't men have a place to discuss what being a man is to the very people whom embody manhood? Defend yourselves and your beliefs. It's what makes us men. God-speed.
P.S. Where do we go if said censorship happens here? We should have somewhere to retreat.
It's in the sidebar! Puerarchy.com
mgtowhq.com - it's about the reddest of red pill forum sites ever to exist.
Quite the conundrum, this.
The MGTOW approach is to do your own thing and ignore shit like this, but it is not clear when or if MGTOW will lead to a shift. It's sort of a frog, saying enjoy the pot as the water heats up, just find non-female sources of enjoyment.
MRM says appeal to justice and a compassion for men ... that women don't have. Try to break through mens' innate, hard-wired preference for serving women. Good luck with that, too.
TRP says be alpha and PUA says fake being alpha. It's not clear how that helps prevent abuses like this - it's a purely personal strategy. It has more sex and more risk (false accusations, paternity scams, etc.); vigilance can help but is not a guarantee. It too is a frog; unlike mgtow, while the water in the pot heats up it does get laid.
I don't really see an acceptable strategy at this point.
At some point, maybe men would have developed the ability to see through this bullshit and call women on it; laws like this make change impossible by making discussion impossible.
It doesn't say sexist against one gender. Given the amount of sexism against men on the Internet I think they're going to have some trouble here.
Ya, because governments - courts and police - never use sexism accusations to smack around men and just ignore what women say/do that falls under the same laws.
If I lived in New Zealand I'd be reporting the blatant sexism against men and boys in the media. It wouldn't take many of us to make a serious nuisance of ourselves. I hope they try to bring something in like that in the UK. I'd be reporting Jessica Valenti every day.
they'd just turn around and decide your accusation is sexist and libel and jail you.
The Red Pill is about improving male sexual strategy. In studying that strategy it is impossible to not realize that the deck is increasingly stacked against us legally and politically. TRP itself should not be a political platform, but men around the world increasingly need a unified movement to crush the society level shit test that is feminism. In the meantime, vote, write your representatives, and stand up for your rights every day, in every way. Push back. Don't join the ranks of the self defeating little eunuchs curled up in the fetal position crying the mantra "There's nothing we can dooooooo. Happy Wife Happy Life."
I'm not even red pill, and this is fucking ridiculous. Absolutely unacceptable. I can't believe what I am reading. Really, New Zealand? Fucking fascist feminists. This outrage should go beyond ideologies - this is one issue feminists and TRPers should even be able to agree on; that this is too far. I doubt it, though, because feminists seem to love censorship these days.
Preposterous!!!!! All Men leave NZ at once!!!!
there is nothing good about this at all op.
I'm a woman, and I actually agree with most of what you have to say.
hahah new zeland you suck. so does feminazi dogma and so does retarded governments. We gotta fight these fools. It's incredible how one sided these things are dealt and viewed. I was raised in to a better world than this. Unbelievable.
Fuck. As soon as I find TRP, it gets banned in my country.
Ah well. This won't stop me, fuckers.
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It doesn't take much for this reddit to go all Chicken Little. Never trust what you read in newspapers.
The bill is called the Harmful Digital Communications Bill. Google is your friend. Read it for yourself.
I think the bill is broad enough to be interpreted poorly in a court.
I think companies like facebook and reddit will err on the side of caution to be in compliance with the new law.
Don't underestimate the far reach of poorly written censorship laws.
And of course it only counts when men do it. Women cant be sexist because they are opressed by the patriachy and rape culture.