"I overheard my 29-yr-old girlfriend say she used to date jerks, and that I'm not exciting at all, but make up for it by being nice, sweet and caring."
The jerks she used to date were far more physically attractive than him. She just hamsterized that the jerkiness of them were a part of their sex appeal.
Looks like OP is the retirement plan for this woman. To rub insult into injury, she's telling her friend Lucy that her ex isn't worth dating (but sure was worth fucking) and that she needs to find a financially stable chump to live with and extract resources from.
"Alpha fucks, beta bucks", "ladder theory"; call it whatever you want, but it is 100% real no matter how you phrase it, and looks like it's embraced and out in the open. Men, you have a choice to make: be the one she obsesses over and fucks, or the one who she divorce-rapes and chucks.
"Starter Husband" is a real thing in female dating strategy forums.
If that doesn't get your blood boiling, then I don't know what will. I realize that they are women and unfettered they devolve into super-resource sponges, but that callous "starter husband" thing really pissed me off when I first saw it.
I knew a girl from high school who got married quickly after college, then in less than five years got a divorce. Now she’s married again with kids. So I guess she’s done this starter husband too.
When they get tired of him they can replace him for another and blame him. You know like when you buy a second house and the reasoning is "well the old house was too small, this one is in a nicer area, the old house couldn't be improved anymore, the new will hold value" - 'Well I divorced Brian, he wasn't that physically attractive, the new guy I met has a better job, and earns more money.' So the husband is seen more often these days as a commodity. That is what this forum is about in my opinion highlighting the hypocrisy. They want to treat people like commodities but they themselves lose value over time while usually the commodity they got rid of or did not value gains in value over time.
Adverts like Gillette pushing the idea that ordinary men are somehow defective and the fact that they even get allowed to be made show that society reinforces this idea that men are disposable just like a gillette razor in fact. If anyone gender were to be disposable it would be women since they stop ovulating around 40s. The media and advertising push these false ideas but that doesn't mean to say that people have to believe in them.
Youi mentioned Gillette. Since that commercial came out, I have replaced all my shaving equipment with non-Gillette products. My little way of saying thnaks for the man hating commercial. A Gillette product I will never buy, again.
One man can impregnate dozens of women, one woman needs 9 months before she can have another child. Of the 2, the men are obviously the most disposable.
I'd rather set my own house and money on fire than hand it over. At least that way, its only destruction of my property, but at least she doesn't get it.
Yep, and they usually don't just stick to alcohol either. I remember back in my college days I had a girl who would bang me and then ask me if I could get her some coke from one of my roommates before she left.
I did it for a while and then my roommate wanted money for it because coke is expensive. Sure enough, as soon as I told her "No" to the coke - She started banging my roommate.
I think I managed not to cross the line, as difficult as it was. Poor bastard needs a kick in the ass from a father figure, much like I did when I did stupid shit.
It take some men longer to find and take the red pill than others. I was never a blue pill, but it took time for me to realize how rigged the system is against men i.e. marriage, divorce, child support, alimony, paternity fraud, women delibertly getting prego to trap a man, and this is just a few wrongs.
Honestly when I read stories like these, I feel like some of these guys DESERVE what happens to them. Why are we living together if we aren't married (likely not to happen with the BIAS against men in marital courts today).
He is a BETA -- the fact he has to ask what to do after hearing his GF say in not so many words that he was the "safe" choice is all I need to know.
I can agree with lots of things in this sub, but only complete morons get married before living together. You will never know the daily quirks and habits of the person you're with, until you're with them 24/7 outside of work. To blindly commit to them for life (marriage) without knowing how they are as housemates, is just an idiot move. There is no reason to marry first, rather than living together first so you have an easier time of splitting if it turns out you aren't compatible as housemates.
If I was planning on marrying a chick I damn sure want to live with her before I get married. You will learn much more about them when doing so. So maybe that's why?
there’s no divorce for a boyfriend and girlfriend breaking up. It’s just a pain in the ass if they’ve got their stuff mixed together in one place
Let me introduce you to Common Law Marriage as recognized by some states in the US.
A common law marriage is one in which the couple lives together for a period of time and holds themselves out to friends, family and the community as "being married," but without ever going through a formal ceremony or getting amarriage license. Even if you don't have capacity to marry at the point that you start living with someone, you can still end up in a common law marriage.
Yup. My husband was NOT my type. I would always go for the outgoing guys who would say the right things. Eventually, I realized this was Not working for me at all, and around that same time, I fell for my husband. He has amazing morals, a pure heart, good work ethic, selfless, honest, funny, views me as an equal, stays in shape, and is responsible financially.
Lol right under the top comment telling OP that he has a negative outlook on it. Read the comment and you can tell her husband is a beta provider. She clearly said he wasn't her type and she liked him for the following reasons:
Amazing morals, pure heart, selfless, honest = a comfortable beta she settled for
good work ethic financially responsible = makes money cha ching
Nothing about his looks or how he turns her on. But wait!!!! There's more!!!
And the social aspect works for us because he would rather, happily, stay home with our kids and let me go out
Does this really need any explanation? The language used in that comment was "I married by husband because he was a safe choice."
The poor guy wants to know how to man up and be "exciting" while at the same time wants his GF to know "how hurt I am."
Sorry pal, thems are mutually exclusive. You see, the key to being "exciting" is that you don't care so much about the drama your woman inflicts on your life. It is like the cat and the flashlight. They play games and make you pounce on the light before jerking it away. Then they get bored. If you ignore their jerking motions and look bored by the light they double down and try to get you to react. THIS is what women think is "exciting." A man they cannot control or jerk around is what women find exciting.
I'm not going to be a total monkey for a lady I'm with. If she likes guys who play games, I don't want to waste my life associating with/entertaining her presence.
If she's not humble and serious w.r.t. a relationship, among many other factors, she isn't the one. And if she's not the one, it's just not worth my time to entertain her.
What she's saying is fairly obvious to all men and it relates to the inferior and superior paradigm or r/K selection theory, or simplified to masses as alpha fucks, beta bucks. It's an insult to any cognizant man. It does not matter what she 'meant' by it. This is an underhanded insult disguised as a compliment. She knew exactly what she was doing, which is destroying his morale so she can prepare him for the cucklife.
It comes down to respect. She didn't respect him as he hoped, and now he doesn't respect her as she hopes. A lack of respect is going to throw a wrench in things.
First off hear things, don't overhear things. One is active the other is passive lurking. Do you appreciate being nice sweet and caring? They are not bad traits at all but bestow them on the correct person.
This last thing do for yourself. Make a self assessment. Do you want adventure, excitement, thrills, travel? Make a plan, make a change, make it happen. This is your future self giving you a golden ticket so use it. Active life. The time is now.
he needs to go full alpha on her, e.g. foot to head, while fucking her in the ass, nothing shows domination, like hearing an entitled girl squeal fineprint:consensuallyofcourselol
I'm going to attempt to give some real advice which is be honest with her. If you like her, you should be able to talk about it. Maybe you can just ask her if there's anything you two can do to mix things up a bit and make the relationship more exciting.. There's plenty of activities outside of sex that can be fun and have a tolerable degree of "risk" to them. I know this sub will take "excitement" as a euphemism for "fucking dangerous Chads" or whatever, but launching yourself into the air off a snowboard ramp is pretty fucking dangerous and exhilarating too. Sex is not the only way to produce feelings of excitement.
First, you want him to lead her to a more exciting life by asking her what they can do? This is the problem with men today.
Scond, you take M'ladies words far to literally. She doesn't want snowboarding. She wants a guy who can put her in her place and who has options and is unpredictable. By "talking" and talking and emoting and listening you make yourself even more boring!
I mean if he asked her and she said "there's nothing we could do to make this more exciting" then I'd be inclined to agree that maybe he should reconsider the relationship.
The feeling of danger and excitement is not exclusive to "dangerous men." And if she doesn't want to date that type of man anymore (clearly she would still be dating them if she wanted to) then maybe she can find that "excitement" in other activities. Everyone in the comments are like "oMg AWALT," you're using this man's query for advice as a means of reinforcing your own ideas rather than attempting to give useful advice.
I'm not saying my particular idea will work, but I don't think OP should just give up..
Asking a woman for relationship advice is a terrible idea, especially if the woman you're asking is your wife/gf.
Women generally don't consciously understand what turns them on, so their advice is garbage. As if that's not bad enough, when they see you trying their suggestions, you have lowered your value in their eyes.
Objectively your advice is terrible. This woman said the guy wasn't exciting "at all". That is a huge red flag. It doesn't just encompass dangerous douche bags, it encompasses ANYTHING that could be exciting. This woman doesn't love this man for who he is. Sound advice is not telling this man to change. Sound advice is telling him to go find a woman that appreciates him for who he is and not as a beta bailout billy. Even if he should change, he should not change for this woman. He should change for the next one.
Yeah I'll give you the fact that that's a really harsh wording. I think she could have been exaggerating to relate to her friend (for affect), but I guess if I were in OP's shoes I definitely wouldn't assume this as the case.
However I would still attempt to talk to her about it. But then again I prefer brutal honesty to blissful ignorance myself.
Well, he should definitely talk to her. It just needs to be a talk that ends with him walking out the door. His gf is just going to do the typical female panic rationalization thing. There should be a term for it. Caught in the act so feed him bullshit about how she was just referring to how amazing hang gliding in her previous relationships was or some shit.
I don't buy that "she doesn't want to date that type of man anymore" nonsense. Women always say that when they can't get the hawt, exciting guys they want anymore. They settle for a nice, boring guy that they grow to resent for not living up to her standards but mark my words, if a hawt, exciting guy shows interest she'll be riding his dick in no time.
Exactly. If she wanted to date one of those "exciting" guys, she would still be dating them. She actively chose to date her current boyfriend. She decided she wanted something different. I'm not understanding the problem. Maybe if he was her only option and she settled for him, I'd understand, but it's clear she did not.
That said, if this guy wants to take the advice of guys from this forum, then he should. Maybe he could find someone who found him ~exciting, since apparently that's so important. Hopefully, he then finds her ~exciting, too.
That's the way I see it. The guys on this sub are quick to strip the agency from the girl, even though she's dating the kind of guys that they'd say she "should" date (non-Chads, willing to commit, good potential fathers, etc).
If the girl is actively choosing me, and isn't cheating, I just don't see the problem. Especially if I could get her off anyways..
Yeah that word ~exciting is being equated to a whole bunch of shit. Just seems more like a complex in TRP hive mind. Like "oh that must mean she's not enjoying the sex" when that isn't what she fucking said. Personally, I accept that there's always a bigger fish, and that it's unreasonable to expect yourself to be her "best sex ever." As long as it's good sex who cares? She said he makes up for it by being, essentially, a good person.. lol
she used to date jerks and that the fact that they're exciting doesn't mean they're worth dating, even though they can be addictive.
Read that again. That doesn't sound like she is wants a guy who does crazy activities outside the bedroom. Going by your advice, you're basically asking the guy to be dancing monkey entertain her.
I seriously doubt her ex's were bungee jumping, doing extreme sports or whatever to get her "addicted" to them.
She was "addicted" to the feeling of being with men who had her as a second or even third option and she wanted be the first option. She got sex from guys who were much more higher value then her, put couldn't get commitment. That feeling of fighting for those guy's commitment is what she was "addicted" too.
The guy she is with now she settled for because she felt she never had to "fight" hard enough to be the first option. Pretty much the guy gave her a quicker commitment then what she's used too. Maybe someone here can put it in better words.
But, basically she settled for the comfort guy and comfort guy doesn't get her excited because she won him over pretty easily compared to what she's used too.
She got sex from guys who were much more higher value then her
I understand TRP ideological interpretation of the situation, but I don't believe for a second that the ONLY way for a guy to be "exciting" is the way in which you describe.
I'm not suggesting he be a dancing monkey. But what commenters are saying is that he ought to turn into a douchebag and start acting like his current girlfriend is his "3rd choice" -- this will not help anything either. An average guy can "sweep a girl off her feet" or inject excitement into the relationship in many ways outside of being a gigantic douche. Don't act like this isn't true. I've done it myself and I never had to act like a douche to excite girls I was with. In the end they were as addicted to me as any other "Chad." So much so that I probably should have gotten a restraining order on one of my exes for how much she stalked me. and I'm not a "Chad" by any means.
but I don't believe for a second that the ONLY way for a guy to be "exciting" is the way in which you describe.
Sure not the ONLY way, but in THIS case it is what she is referring too.
I'm not suggesting he be a dancing monkey. But what commenters are saying is that he ought to turn into a douchebag and start acting like his current girlfriend is his "3rd choice" -- this will not help anything either.
I don't see anyone saying that. If anything people are saying he should leave this relationship because she's addicted and gets excited about men who aren't like OP. It's that simple.
Sure not the ONLY way, but in THIS case it is what she is referring too.
This isn't necessarily the case, though with the context I do agree that it's the most likely explanation. This does not mean that there is no way to make up for that lack of excitement in other ways. But we can grant this point as it doesn't undermine my argument.
People may not be explicitly saying that, but I think it's the suggestion behind all of the "advice" in the comments. sort of like an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" argument. I don't think this is the only way
Also I didn't see anything in OP's post that implies she's STILL addicted to this sort of guy. (EDIT: that implication is made by the replies more than anything else) It seems as though she realizes they're no good for her, even if she doesn't get the same kind of fleeting excitement out of her current relationship with OP. Clearly she's finding the trade off worth it. It's like a drug, after a while chasing the dragon becomes more trouble than it's worth. And that's okay. It's like drinking coffee after being a daily cocaine user. The coffee is far better overall, even if it doesn't provide anything remotely close to the buzz that cocaine provided. The outcome is that the "user" of coffee is much better of. The girl is clearly acknowledging that her current relationship is overall a better thing, right?
This does not mean that there is no way to make up for that lack of excitement in other ways. But we can grant this point as it doesn't undermine my argument.
I would say it doesn't undermine your argument to an extent. Meaning if he does whatever to try and be more exciting its basically equivalent as using a bucket to save a sinking ship. Once they see you as a certain way, that image isn't going to change.
It seems as though she realizes they're no good for her, even if she doesn't get the same kind of fleeting excitement out of her current relationship with OP.
They are no good for her because of what she wants in life right now, which is a stable man that would commit and provide for the family. AKA a provider. The ex's couldn't provide that so she moved on to the Op. So she has the stable guy, but not the guy that gets her excited sexually.
I's like a drug, after a while chasing the dragon becomes more trouble than it's worth. And that's okay. It's like drinking coffee after being a daily cocaine user. The coffee is far better overall, even if it doesn't provide anything remotely close to the buzz that cocaine provided. The outcome is that the "user" of coffee is much better of. The girl is clearly acknowledging that her current relationship is overall a better thing, right?
Agree here and this is making my point. Now ask yourself this as a man; would you be fine being coffee while your wife still craves coke? The only reason she is doing coffee is because she knows that coffee won't affect her in a negative way. If it wasn't for coke's negative side affects, she would pick coke every time over coffee because coke is what she really wants. She is just smart enough to know that coke will hard her physically aka won't raise a family when her biological clock is ticking. Every time she has coffee she is going to be thinking about coke. After she has her kids she is going to be thinking about coke. If coke walks into the door she will have her razors ready and the biggest smile on her face. When she's drinking coffee its like "meh, this will get me through the morning." Coffee can try and change its flavors, its temperature, it's color, but its never going to be good as coke.
Most men don't want to be looked at that way. Now if you are fine with that then that's cool. Op wasn't .By the way the post got removed.
"the fact that they're exciting doesn't mean they're worth dating, even though they can be addictive. "
She's actually on your side. She was attempting to relate to her friend who ran into her ex. She was trying to convince her friend Lucy to do the same as she did. Does this not imply that she's happier now than she was before? Otherwise wouldn't she be saying "oh yeah don't stop chasing those exciting douchebros" or however you want to put it.
If it wasn't for coke's negative side affects
Coke's negative side effects, like "Chad", are intrinsic to the thing itself. The very existence of Chad as such comes with these negative side effects. There's no getting around that. This girl is obviously wised up to the fact that continuing to chase those men will make her unhappy. The fact that women get a drug-like hit from men like that IS the negative thing. It's short term pleasure at the cost of long-term happiness. It's intrinsic to the act.
she would pick coke every time over coffee because coke is what she really wants.
Yes, in this non-existent scenario where coke has no side effects. Such a drug, clearly, does not exist. The same applies for Chads, "Chad" men who are willing to settle down and be a good father simply do not exist. And the women who ignore this fact pay the price of ending up on this subreddit for their ignorance. Their children also pay the price by growing up with abandonment issues. Women will inevitably wise up to this and choose good fathers for their children, because natural selection will ultimately favor this outcome -- although this is a side point and also not central to what I'm arguing.
but its never going to be good as coke.
it is already better than coke, because it doesn't fucking kill you really slowly... lol this is such a good metaphor, because we acknowledge that women's overall happiness has been on the decline, while deaths of despair are at an all time high (if I'm remembering my current stats correctly).
Furthermore, the girl herself acknowledged it as an addiction. In other words, it's an unhealthy craving. Any person, man or woman, if they are wise will choose long term happiness over damaging short term addiction. Because the former is far more conducive to overall quality of life. It makes sense that women would wise up to this fact if they don't hate themselves and want to enjoy their life after their 20's are over.
How can you expect me to answer that question? I don't even know the girl.
I'll answer a different question though: If there was a girl I loved, and she had never cheated on me, and I trusted her enough to know that she probably never would, and I overheard her say that, yeah I probably would stay with that girl. As long as she was willing to be honest with me about it, I don't think that it's something that's impossible to work through.
The point is I'm not going to sit here and wish I was someone else, and break up with a girl because I don't sexually excite her as much as other guys. Isn't there always a "bigger fish" out there anyways? Sex is one component of a relationship, it isn't the only part.
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Mirror.
[–]Newbosterone131 points132 points133 points (3 children) | Copy Link
lol, so much spin intended to keep him in his place. No one suggested the obvious answer, treat her like her ex did.
[–]Yoda30046 points47 points48 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It will be fake and she will notice. She has already placed him in the provider box.
[–]RRFdevSr. Hamster Analyst40 points41 points42 points (1 child) | Copy Link
She'll just leave him if he treats her bad.
The jerks she used to date were far more physically attractive than him. She just hamsterized that the jerkiness of them were a part of their sex appeal.
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I mean .... no where in the text does it say that. Its udually the situation but still
[–]ClockworkOrange92618Endorsed118 points119 points120 points (13 children) | Copy Link
Looks like OP is the retirement plan for this woman. To rub insult into injury, she's telling her friend Lucy that her ex isn't worth dating (but sure was worth fucking) and that she needs to find a financially stable chump to live with and extract resources from.
"Alpha fucks, beta bucks", "ladder theory"; call it whatever you want, but it is 100% real no matter how you phrase it, and looks like it's embraced and out in the open. Men, you have a choice to make: be the one she obsesses over and fucks, or the one who she divorce-rapes and chucks.
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"Starter Husband" is a real thing in female dating strategy forums.
If that doesn't get your blood boiling, then I don't know what will. I realize that they are women and unfettered they devolve into super-resource sponges, but that callous "starter husband" thing really pissed me off when I first saw it.
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What are they saying is the point of a starter husband? They just take him for 50% and that's it?
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod27 points28 points29 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure they start at the finances but they end at destroying you emotionally......
So actually more than 50%.
[–]SuperGoxxerRecidivist Fuk Boi26 points27 points28 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The money, sure -- but the overall tone of it is "hey sweetie, its okay he's just your starter husband" when they get found out cheating, etc.
Its the attitude that men are replaceable cogs, no big deal, that gets my blood boiling.
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I knew a girl from high school who got married quickly after college, then in less than five years got a divorce. Now she’s married again with kids. So I guess she’s done this starter husband too.
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When they get tired of him they can replace him for another and blame him. You know like when you buy a second house and the reasoning is "well the old house was too small, this one is in a nicer area, the old house couldn't be improved anymore, the new will hold value" - 'Well I divorced Brian, he wasn't that physically attractive, the new guy I met has a better job, and earns more money.' So the husband is seen more often these days as a commodity. That is what this forum is about in my opinion highlighting the hypocrisy. They want to treat people like commodities but they themselves lose value over time while usually the commodity they got rid of or did not value gains in value over time.
Adverts like Gillette pushing the idea that ordinary men are somehow defective and the fact that they even get allowed to be made show that society reinforces this idea that men are disposable just like a gillette razor in fact. If anyone gender were to be disposable it would be women since they stop ovulating around 40s. The media and advertising push these false ideas but that doesn't mean to say that people have to believe in them.
[–]mustangfrankPeek-a-boo, Single Mother See's You12 points13 points14 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Youi mentioned Gillette. Since that commercial came out, I have replaced all my shaving equipment with non-Gillette products. My little way of saying thnaks for the man hating commercial. A Gillette product I will never buy, again.
[–]cherryantacidsSr. Hamster Analyst11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Gotta be careful.
No Gillette or Braun.
Schick, Bic, or old school safety/straight edge razors.
Philips, Remington, Panasonic or Wahl for electrics.
No Gain, No Dawn. Boycott P+G.
[–]blaskowich1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
One man can impregnate dozens of women, one woman needs 9 months before she can have another child. Of the 2, the men are obviously the most disposable.
[–]minitntman18 points9 points10 points (1 child) | Copy Link
That is a bit too redpill for me. Or is it blackpilled? It is very, very, painful.
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It's the truth.
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[–]SuperGoxxerRecidivist Fuk Boi12 points13 points14 points (0 children) | Copy Link
No bitch is worth prison.
I'd rather set my own house and money on fire than hand it over. At least that way, its only destruction of my property, but at least she doesn't get it.
[–]sleepyweaselisawakeNeighbor of the Beast81 points82 points83 points (3 children) | Copy Link
There's no such thing as an "ex" party girl. There are party girls who aged out and are hoping to settle so they don't end up alone.
I've dated party girls/functional alcoholics. It's fun until it's not fun anymore.
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Yep, and they usually don't just stick to alcohol either. I remember back in my college days I had a girl who would bang me and then ask me if I could get her some coke from one of my roommates before she left.
I did it for a while and then my roommate wanted money for it because coke is expensive. Sure enough, as soon as I told her "No" to the coke - She started banging my roommate.
Briffaults Law.
[–]sleepyweaselisawakeNeighbor of the Beast20 points21 points22 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are the ultimate opportunists. They'll do anything as long as they benefit.. (source: the porn industry).
[–]saltlakeshady15 points16 points17 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah in my experience every party girl I've ever dated eventually resorts to coke, they need it to be functional from all that booze.
[–]goodmansaysfuckyouBig 🍆 energy misogynist72 points73 points74 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Smack her on the ass and tell her, "I save the fun activities for women who give better head."
[–]Typo-MAGAshivDrive-by asshole25 points26 points27 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I bet that he'd be appalled at your suggestion instead of laughing and doing it. He seems like a total herb. Poor guy needs to wake up and unplug.
[–]Imperator_RedTheRedPill's ShitLord12 points13 points14 points (2 children) | Copy Link
“Why can’t I be more exciting? ☹️☹️☹️“
Jesus. Oops sorry... not allowed to man shame
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I think I managed not to cross the line, as difficult as it was. Poor bastard needs a kick in the ass from a father figure, much like I did when I did stupid shit.
[–]mustangfrankPeek-a-boo, Single Mother See's You6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It take some men longer to find and take the red pill than others. I was never a blue pill, but it took time for me to realize how rigged the system is against men i.e. marriage, divorce, child support, alimony, paternity fraud, women delibertly getting prego to trap a man, and this is just a few wrongs.
[–]TaxMeJersey52 points53 points54 points (15 children) | Copy Link
Why the fuck are they living together if they are dating? Dude is fucked....
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Honestly when I read stories like these, I feel like some of these guys DESERVE what happens to them. Why are we living together if we aren't married (likely not to happen with the BIAS against men in marital courts today).
He is a BETA -- the fact he has to ask what to do after hearing his GF say in not so many words that he was the "safe" choice is all I need to know.
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I can agree with lots of things in this sub, but only complete morons get married before living together. You will never know the daily quirks and habits of the person you're with, until you're with them 24/7 outside of work. To blindly commit to them for life (marriage) without knowing how they are as housemates, is just an idiot move. There is no reason to marry first, rather than living together first so you have an easier time of splitting if it turns out you aren't compatible as housemates.
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[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I do too but he still needs a hard kick in the ass. It is certain he has no friends with the spine to do it.
[–]askmrciaJr. Hamster Analyst6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If I was planning on marrying a chick I damn sure want to live with her before I get married. You will learn much more about them when doing so. So maybe that's why?
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Let me introduce you to Common Law Marriage as recognized by some states in the US.
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[–]EvilKlownz2Gettin nasty with wall busters5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Correct. And after 2 years she can claim 50% of gained assets. It's still a payday for them.
[–]otakuzodCeddit savior3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Blame Canada.
[–]DeterminedLogic992 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Why wouldn't you live with a woman prior to getting married with her? That's a terrible idea.
[–]TaxMeJersey6 points7 points8 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude......the real her doesn't show up until the wedding cake gets eaten. Until than its still a dog and pony show.
[–]DeterminedLogic990 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Right, I get that about this situation. However, my question was in the general sense.
[–]TaxMeJersey2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I believe the same in all situations when it comes to wymyn.
[–]HardEarnedVictoryJr. Hamster Analyst38 points39 points40 points (1 child) | Copy Link
"Good, good... Use your aggressive feelings. Let the Hate flow through you."
- Emperor Palpatine on handling disloyal bitches
[–]otakuzodCeddit savior10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"It's treason, then."
[–]Screamtothevoid231 points32 points33 points (0 children) | Copy Link
so basically she cucked you emotonally...
[–]SuperGoxxerRecidivist Fuk Boi28 points29 points30 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, that sinking feeling in your heart/gut when you realized you've been played. We've all been there, at least once.
The difference is whether you allow it to happen again. I hope he gets out, its pretty harsh to be treated like you're disposable.
[–]askmrciaJr. Hamster Analyst23 points24 points25 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Lol right under the top comment telling OP that he has a negative outlook on it. Read the comment and you can tell her husband is a beta provider. She clearly said he wasn't her type and she liked him for the following reasons:
Nothing about his looks or how he turns her on. But wait!!!! There's more!!!
Does this really need any explanation? The language used in that comment was "I married by husband because he was a safe choice."
53 upvotes and counting.
[–]NotLuceBreeSr. Hamster Analyst11 points12 points13 points (1 child) | Copy Link
She said a lot but I doubt she knows it.
[–]BlogginginvicecitySr. Hamster Analyst3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point. People tell on themselves when you know what to look for.
( Like a chick saying: "NO METH HEAD RAIDER FANS" (LOL) in her dating profile. You know she was with a tweaker raider fan before!)
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod22 points23 points24 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The poor guy wants to know how to man up and be "exciting" while at the same time wants his GF to know "how hurt I am."
Sorry pal, thems are mutually exclusive. You see, the key to being "exciting" is that you don't care so much about the drama your woman inflicts on your life. It is like the cat and the flashlight. They play games and make you pounce on the light before jerking it away. Then they get bored. If you ignore their jerking motions and look bored by the light they double down and try to get you to react. THIS is what women think is "exciting." A man they cannot control or jerk around is what women find exciting.
This guy isn't it.
[–]BlogginginvicecitySr. Hamster Analyst0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you, you are spot on.
I'm not going to be a total monkey for a lady I'm with. If she likes guys who play games, I don't want to waste my life associating with/entertaining her presence.
If she's not humble and serious w.r.t. a relationship, among many other factors, she isn't the one. And if she's not the one, it's just not worth my time to entertain her.
[–]Imperator_RedTheRedPill's ShitLord16 points17 points18 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Why do I read the comments? It’s always cancer.
[–]goodmansaysfuckyouBig 🍆 energy misogynist11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Its like a train wreck. You know whats coming but cant look away.
[–]Reenas5412 points13 points14 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So much people trying to sell him that "feel good bullshit". Now she wants you Mr. Nice guy, you win in the end...
[–]evergreen3511 points12 points13 points (1 child) | Copy Link
This guy is so fucked if he stays with her. (Except she's the one who will be getting fucked, and not by him.)
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
And....he won't be.
[–]geraldhayne30389 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Good luck. I hope it works out, history is against it, but hopefully you find out she is a unicorn, not a AWALT.
[–]goodmansaysfuckyouBig 🍆 energy misogynist16 points17 points18 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I think her words have already proven that she falls into the AWALT category.
[–]Sub-SeroEndorsed10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
What she's saying is fairly obvious to all men and it relates to the inferior and superior paradigm or r/K selection theory, or simplified to masses as alpha fucks, beta bucks. It's an insult to any cognizant man. It does not matter what she 'meant' by it. This is an underhanded insult disguised as a compliment. She knew exactly what she was doing, which is destroying his morale so she can prepare him for the cucklife.
[–]silly_birb7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
When tired of the cock carousel nothing is better than a boring bench to rest!
[–]Thetrvler7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh god, she pulled a beta-bux.
[–]Criket6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Then be! Kick her out!
[–]admralrustyshcklford4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Too many guys out there are trying to be her calm/peace
Be her fucking nightmare. She is now a side piece
[–]NormanMitis3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Ironic answer. If only she knew how hurt you were, that would make her think you're exciting.
[–]Celticpenguin852 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
No. She would just think he was a bitch and lose even more respect for him.
[–]NormanMitis0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Umm, yeah. That's what makes it ironic.
[–]BlogginginvicecitySr. Hamster Analyst2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It comes down to respect. She didn't respect him as he hoped, and now he doesn't respect her as she hopes. A lack of respect is going to throw a wrench in things.
[–]rvail1361 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh she settled, alright, and you'll pay for that privilege so suck it up butter cup.
[–]velowalker0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
First off hear things, don't overhear things. One is active the other is passive lurking. Do you appreciate being nice sweet and caring? They are not bad traits at all but bestow them on the correct person.
This last thing do for yourself. Make a self assessment. Do you want adventure, excitement, thrills, travel? Make a plan, make a change, make it happen. This is your future self giving you a golden ticket so use it. Active life. The time is now.
[–]Zulucobra330 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Bury her face in the mattress and fuck her senseless. Women need the bad boy treatment now-and-again.
[–]caralto-2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
he needs to go full alpha on her, e.g. foot to head, while fucking her in the ass, nothing shows domination, like hearing an entitled girl squeal fine print: consensually of course lol
[+]corey_trevorson-10 points-9 points-8 points (56 children) | Copy Link
I'm going to attempt to give some real advice which is be honest with her. If you like her, you should be able to talk about it. Maybe you can just ask her if there's anything you two can do to mix things up a bit and make the relationship more exciting.. There's plenty of activities outside of sex that can be fun and have a tolerable degree of "risk" to them. I know this sub will take "excitement" as a euphemism for "fucking dangerous Chads" or whatever, but launching yourself into the air off a snowboard ramp is pretty fucking dangerous and exhilarating too. Sex is not the only way to produce feelings of excitement.
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod16 points17 points18 points (20 children) | Copy Link
First, you want him to lead her to a more exciting life by asking her what they can do? This is the problem with men today.
Scond, you take M'ladies words far to literally. She doesn't want snowboarding. She wants a guy who can put her in her place and who has options and is unpredictable. By "talking" and talking and emoting and listening you make yourself even more boring!
[+]corey_trevorson-7 points-6 points-5 points (19 children) | Copy Link
I mean if he asked her and she said "there's nothing we could do to make this more exciting" then I'd be inclined to agree that maybe he should reconsider the relationship.
The feeling of danger and excitement is not exclusive to "dangerous men." And if she doesn't want to date that type of man anymore (clearly she would still be dating them if she wanted to) then maybe she can find that "excitement" in other activities. Everyone in the comments are like "oMg AWALT," you're using this man's query for advice as a means of reinforcing your own ideas rather than attempting to give useful advice.
I'm not saying my particular idea will work, but I don't think OP should just give up..
[–]Typo-MAGAshivDrive-by asshole10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Asking a woman for relationship advice is a terrible idea, especially if the woman you're asking is your wife/gf.
Women generally don't consciously understand what turns them on, so their advice is garbage. As if that's not bad enough, when they see you trying their suggestions, you have lowered your value in their eyes.
[–]sparklingscott8 points9 points10 points (14 children) | Copy Link
Objectively your advice is terrible. This woman said the guy wasn't exciting "at all". That is a huge red flag. It doesn't just encompass dangerous douche bags, it encompasses ANYTHING that could be exciting. This woman doesn't love this man for who he is. Sound advice is not telling this man to change. Sound advice is telling him to go find a woman that appreciates him for who he is and not as a beta bailout billy. Even if he should change, he should not change for this woman. He should change for the next one.
[–]corey_trevorson0 points1 point2 points (13 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I'll give you the fact that that's a really harsh wording. I think she could have been exaggerating to relate to her friend (for affect), but I guess if I were in OP's shoes I definitely wouldn't assume this as the case.
However I would still attempt to talk to her about it. But then again I prefer brutal honesty to blissful ignorance myself.
[–]sparklingscott4 points5 points6 points (12 children) | Copy Link
Well, he should definitely talk to her. It just needs to be a talk that ends with him walking out the door. His gf is just going to do the typical female panic rationalization thing. There should be a term for it. Caught in the act so feed him bullshit about how she was just referring to how amazing hang gliding in her previous relationships was or some shit.
[–]corey_trevorson0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Who knows what she meant. We're all assuming she means that sex with OP isn't exciting at all
[–]corey_trevorson0 points1 point2 points (10 children) | Copy Link
I think about it this way: college was fun, more exciting than my life now. I partied and did drugs ans shit. Slept around. Would I go back? Hell no
[–]Flat4DIT2 points3 points4 points (9 children) | Copy Link
Just stop. Everything you say in this thread is terrible advice.
This is what you get when a beta buggy hitches up to alpha widow.
Men of value do not enter into LTRs with women that slept around.
[–]corey_trevorson0 points1 point2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
With women that have slept around* learn how to use grammar, then maybe I'll take your criticisms seriously.
[–]Flat4DIT2 points3 points4 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Why would the With be capitalized in that sentence? And shouldn't there be a comma after around?
Maybe take your own advice corey cuckorson.
[–]Celticpenguin853 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't buy that "she doesn't want to date that type of man anymore" nonsense. Women always say that when they can't get the hawt, exciting guys they want anymore. They settle for a nice, boring guy that they grow to resent for not living up to her standards but mark my words, if a hawt, exciting guy shows interest she'll be riding his dick in no time.
[–]merlinsmoon-2 points-1 points0 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly. If she wanted to date one of those "exciting" guys, she would still be dating them. She actively chose to date her current boyfriend. She decided she wanted something different. I'm not understanding the problem. Maybe if he was her only option and she settled for him, I'd understand, but it's clear she did not.
That said, if this guy wants to take the advice of guys from this forum, then he should. Maybe he could find someone who found him ~exciting, since apparently that's so important. Hopefully, he then finds her ~exciting, too.
[–]corey_trevorson0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's the way I see it. The guys on this sub are quick to strip the agency from the girl, even though she's dating the kind of guys that they'd say she "should" date (non-Chads, willing to commit, good potential fathers, etc).
If the girl is actively choosing me, and isn't cheating, I just don't see the problem. Especially if I could get her off anyways..
Yeah that word ~exciting is being equated to a whole bunch of shit. Just seems more like a complex in TRP hive mind. Like "oh that must mean she's not enjoying the sex" when that isn't what she fucking said. Personally, I accept that there's always a bigger fish, and that it's unreasonable to expect yourself to be her "best sex ever." As long as it's good sex who cares? She said he makes up for it by being, essentially, a good person.. lol
[–]askmrciaJr. Hamster Analyst7 points8 points9 points (34 children) | Copy Link
Read that again. That doesn't sound like she is wants a guy who does crazy activities outside the bedroom. Going by your advice, you're basically asking the guy to be dancing monkey entertain her.
I seriously doubt her ex's were bungee jumping, doing extreme sports or whatever to get her "addicted" to them.
She was "addicted" to the feeling of being with men who had her as a second or even third option and she wanted be the first option. She got sex from guys who were much more higher value then her, put couldn't get commitment. That feeling of fighting for those guy's commitment is what she was "addicted" too.
The guy she is with now she settled for because she felt she never had to "fight" hard enough to be the first option. Pretty much the guy gave her a quicker commitment then what she's used too. Maybe someone here can put it in better words.
But, basically she settled for the comfort guy and comfort guy doesn't get her excited because she won him over pretty easily compared to what she's used too.
[–]corey_trevorson-4 points-3 points-2 points (33 children) | Copy Link
I understand TRP ideological interpretation of the situation, but I don't believe for a second that the ONLY way for a guy to be "exciting" is the way in which you describe.
I'm not suggesting he be a dancing monkey. But what commenters are saying is that he ought to turn into a douchebag and start acting like his current girlfriend is his "3rd choice" -- this will not help anything either. An average guy can "sweep a girl off her feet" or inject excitement into the relationship in many ways outside of being a gigantic douche. Don't act like this isn't true. I've done it myself and I never had to act like a douche to excite girls I was with. In the end they were as addicted to me as any other "Chad." So much so that I probably should have gotten a restraining order on one of my exes for how much she stalked me. and I'm not a "Chad" by any means.
[–]askmrciaJr. Hamster Analyst6 points7 points8 points (32 children) | Copy Link
Sure not the ONLY way, but in THIS case it is what she is referring too.
I don't see anyone saying that. If anything people are saying he should leave this relationship because she's addicted and gets excited about men who aren't like OP. It's that simple.
[–]corey_trevorson-4 points-3 points-2 points (31 children) | Copy Link
This isn't necessarily the case, though with the context I do agree that it's the most likely explanation. This does not mean that there is no way to make up for that lack of excitement in other ways. But we can grant this point as it doesn't undermine my argument.
People may not be explicitly saying that, but I think it's the suggestion behind all of the "advice" in the comments. sort of like an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" argument. I don't think this is the only way
Also I didn't see anything in OP's post that implies she's STILL addicted to this sort of guy. (EDIT: that implication is made by the replies more than anything else) It seems as though she realizes they're no good for her, even if she doesn't get the same kind of fleeting excitement out of her current relationship with OP. Clearly she's finding the trade off worth it. It's like a drug, after a while chasing the dragon becomes more trouble than it's worth. And that's okay. It's like drinking coffee after being a daily cocaine user. The coffee is far better overall, even if it doesn't provide anything remotely close to the buzz that cocaine provided. The outcome is that the "user" of coffee is much better of. The girl is clearly acknowledging that her current relationship is overall a better thing, right?
[–]askmrciaJr. Hamster Analyst5 points6 points7 points (30 children) | Copy Link
I would say it doesn't undermine your argument to an extent. Meaning if he does whatever to try and be more exciting its basically equivalent as using a bucket to save a sinking ship. Once they see you as a certain way, that image isn't going to change.
They are no good for her because of what she wants in life right now, which is a stable man that would commit and provide for the family. AKA a provider. The ex's couldn't provide that so she moved on to the Op. So she has the stable guy, but not the guy that gets her excited sexually.
Agree here and this is making my point. Now ask yourself this as a man; would you be fine being coffee while your wife still craves coke? The only reason she is doing coffee is because she knows that coffee won't affect her in a negative way. If it wasn't for coke's negative side affects, she would pick coke every time over coffee because coke is what she really wants. She is just smart enough to know that coke will hard her physically aka won't raise a family when her biological clock is ticking. Every time she has coffee she is going to be thinking about coke. After she has her kids she is going to be thinking about coke. If coke walks into the door she will have her razors ready and the biggest smile on her face. When she's drinking coffee its like "meh, this will get me through the morning." Coffee can try and change its flavors, its temperature, it's color, but its never going to be good as coke.
Most men don't want to be looked at that way. Now if you are fine with that then that's cool. Op wasn't .By the way the post got removed.
[–]Celticpenguin850 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Why was it removed?
[–]corey_trevorson-1 points0 points1 point (28 children) | Copy Link
her words:
"the fact that they're exciting doesn't mean they're worth dating, even though they can be addictive. "
She's actually on your side. She was attempting to relate to her friend who ran into her ex. She was trying to convince her friend Lucy to do the same as she did. Does this not imply that she's happier now than she was before? Otherwise wouldn't she be saying "oh yeah don't stop chasing those exciting douchebros" or however you want to put it.
Coke's negative side effects, like "Chad", are intrinsic to the thing itself. The very existence of Chad as such comes with these negative side effects. There's no getting around that. This girl is obviously wised up to the fact that continuing to chase those men will make her unhappy. The fact that women get a drug-like hit from men like that IS the negative thing. It's short term pleasure at the cost of long-term happiness. It's intrinsic to the act.
Yes, in this non-existent scenario where coke has no side effects. Such a drug, clearly, does not exist. The same applies for Chads, "Chad" men who are willing to settle down and be a good father simply do not exist. And the women who ignore this fact pay the price of ending up on this subreddit for their ignorance. Their children also pay the price by growing up with abandonment issues. Women will inevitably wise up to this and choose good fathers for their children, because natural selection will ultimately favor this outcome -- although this is a side point and also not central to what I'm arguing.
it is already better than coke, because it doesn't fucking kill you really slowly... lol this is such a good metaphor, because we acknowledge that women's overall happiness has been on the decline, while deaths of despair are at an all time high (if I'm remembering my current stats correctly).
Furthermore, the girl herself acknowledged it as an addiction. In other words, it's an unhealthy craving. Any person, man or woman, if they are wise will choose long term happiness over damaging short term addiction. Because the former is far more conducive to overall quality of life. It makes sense that women would wise up to this fact if they don't hate themselves and want to enjoy their life after their 20's are over.
EDIT: spelling/grammar
[–]askmrciaJr. Hamster Analyst3 points4 points5 points (27 children) | Copy Link
Right, after all of that would you ltr, marry or stay married to that girl?
[–]corey_trevorson-3 points-2 points-1 points (26 children) | Copy Link
How can you expect me to answer that question? I don't even know the girl.
I'll answer a different question though: If there was a girl I loved, and she had never cheated on me, and I trusted her enough to know that she probably never would, and I overheard her say that, yeah I probably would stay with that girl. As long as she was willing to be honest with me about it, I don't think that it's something that's impossible to work through.
The point is I'm not going to sit here and wish I was someone else, and break up with a girl because I don't sexually excite her as much as other guys. Isn't there always a "bigger fish" out there anyways? Sex is one component of a relationship, it isn't the only part.
[–]askmrciaJr. Hamster Analyst2 points3 points4 points (25 children) | Copy Link
You answered perfectly.