Proud cam girl who expects honesty needs advice on how to manipulate guys into a relationship.

Traksimuss · 2019-04-19T10:37:19+00:00

I am a pornstar, why people judge me and do not take me seriously?

Also she is after the same 20%, but other women are less damaged so men would choose them, and it gets her all butthurt.

Overkillengine · 2019-04-19T10:47:12+00:00

Posted on the dating over 30 sub, so probably over over 30, with the default baggage and issues that entails.
Sex industry job. Which will always come with even more baggage, notably the baggage where she will be extra prone to using her sexuality in a transactional manner or as a weapon (note: It's always transactional, just with a variance in terms and benefits).

Yeah totally can't see why men would avoid a relationship with her, much less top-tier men that can pull younger women without her level of baggage.

Ok, enough sarcasm, time for Real Talk: The problem is not explicitly her selling her sexuality, any man with a brain knows that every woman has her price. The issue is finding one that stays bought once you do pay and is of course worth the asking price. Sex workers tend to fall into the end of the spectrum where neither is true, so you have to either not offer an open ended and (for the man) unenforceable contract like a long term relationship or marriage to begin with; or you have to at least structure it with an escape plan already in place so that you can opt out the moment she reneges and does not provide the paid for value.

Disclaimer: I am actually pro-prostitution; as it provides a way for women that are unsuitable for long term relationships like marriage to identify themselves as such and also provides a way for bottom tier men that have no other avenue to obtain sexual release to do so in a civil manner. The issue is where women refuse to accept that their choice to participate in this industry disqualifies them from long term male provisioning by top tier men and are willing to engage in deception or coercion to negate the consequences of said choice.

SezitLykItiz · 2019-04-19T11:27:06+00:00

The top comment says “I don’t see how it’s any business of theirs” lol ok.

Devilsgun · 2019-04-19T10:39:52+00:00

Love means never having to say you're sorry

Live Laugh Love

If You Can't Handle Me At My Worst You Don't Deserve Me At My Best

Etc etc

Today we add Honesty means intending to tell him... Eventually

lorem6300118 · 2019-04-19T11:22:51+00:00

Her hamster is coming so close to the truth, but it needs validation (which is like air to a good hamster) before reality is a jerk and shows up.

She gives herself away when she says “it is like acting”: she clearly tried to disassociate: this camgirl really isn’t me, it is good money, I am owning my sexuality. You know, all the hamster rationalizations.

Then reality shows up (I am thinking of that South Park clip), and decent men are wary and turned off.

But the script said he was supposed to shout “you go girl “!

No one likes it, but we are largely perceived as our jobs.

comptejete · 2019-04-19T11:57:18+00:00

The scenario of dating a woman who is involved in selling her body is worth delving into.

In one of his videos Barbarossa discusses the relationship between MMA fighter Jonathan Paul "War Machine" Koppenhaver and porn star Christy Mack, starts at the 8 minute mark.

He makes the argument that a high status alpha male "primitive" like War Machine had access to thousands of women, and yet he still chose to date a "damaged" pornographic actress with all the baggage that comes with it. After waking up to the undercurrent of female hypergamy and promiscuity, choosing a woman whose "corruption" is proudly on display is refreshingly honest. Having had an abundance of partners, he could easily rise above the petty beliefs of lesser men who would be jealous of her past. Even after all that, he still flies into a rage after finding her with another man and proceeds to beat them both up and effectively destroys his life in the process.

This resonates with me because as the illusion of fidelity crumbled as a younger man, I too sought out openly promiscuous women and dated a stripper for some time. It was truly liberating for a time to drop the pretense, but it just doesn't work out in the long term. Even when you acknowledge that "she's not yours, it's just your turn", I don't think that you can shake off the visceral need for her to be yours. Trying to reconcile the two was invariably a path to misery.

As a small relevant footnote is, a convicted abuser still managed to find a good woman while in prison.

vsamael · 2019-04-19T11:51:50+00:00

When a girls is selling(!) her sexuality she is free to do what she want with her body.

But when a guy escalates his sexuality to match her level, he is horny pervert.

When guy doesn't not approve her shady line of work its "snap based judgements".

If your extracurricular activity is nobody else's business and you think you're in no obligation to disclose it in first date, for reason is that you don't wan't to be judged on that activity and you know you wold be, then you need to adjust your moral compass you cunt.

OldFashionMarine · 2019-04-19T11:28:39+00:00

30+ camgirl....lol. Talk about having zero skills in life. I can guarantee she can't bring anything to a relationship. Her seeking "approval" online for her decisions and wondering why everyone else is the problem.....will only get worse when that wall hits with full impact......probably sooner then later.

RealMcGonzo · 2019-04-19T11:58:33+00:00

Top post ATM is "Keep it a secret until you've sucked him in." But imagine if a man posted, asking the very same question. Everybody would be all "You need to bring that up that right away."

This is such a big deal breaker for me (and most men) that I'd be POed if she was not up front with this.

kaolin224 · 2019-04-19T12:30:34+00:00

Meh, dated a stripper for a while who tried to hide it from me. Also, an ex got into pole dancing for fitness but got more and more into the exotic classes and performance aspects of it and the shows her troupe put on were basically burlesque stripper light.

The similarities I noticed between them were the emotional baggage from childhood abuse and neglect, and how much value they put on validation from people telling them they were sexy.

Some girls go into sex work for the money, but that's very rare. It's a popular story, but I'd say 98% of the time it isn't true. Most do it because they lack actual skills for real work, or have such low self-esteem they need this to fill that void.

Personally, I simply don't enjoy being lied to in a relationship and I think girls in sex work are great, but far from solid choices for a relationship.

bigdaveyl · 2019-04-19T13:07:58+00:00

Most men who have a high RMV are going to have a problem with someone doing sex work of any kind.

She's going to have to choose between her "job" and having an LTR.

I don't understand how this is a difficult concept to understand?

Hillarysdilddo_2016 · 2019-04-19T13:26:00+00:00

I get paid to do this (sex/cam whoring), not irl

Sex is a job for this chick. There’s nothing in it for you. Just pay her to have sex with you and she’ll pretend to enjoy it.

3amDinner · 2019-04-19T14:04:50+00:00

*boyfriend sitting there listening to her bullshit & probably spending money on gifts, dates etc. just for her to not be in the mood*

random strangers: heres a dollar bitch, get freaky

girlfriend: *gets nasty*

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL and the funny part is they still want some top 20% alpha tall ripped, $ucce$$ful, handsome,etc but also willing to be cucked

Stahlboden · 2019-04-19T13:32:51+00:00

Apart from other numerous and obvious reasons not to date a camgirl, as an honestly quite average (beta) male and a former orbiter I would be concerned about her making a living by exploiting weak and desperate men.

Stahlboden · 2019-04-19T13:38:38+00:00

Madonna/whore complex

Lol did they hear about a thing called sexual exclusivity?

houseoftolstoy · 2019-04-19T14:03:53+00:00

What the hell was she expecting? That men are just going to treat her like she is a chaste virgin waiting for marriage? Because you are not going to get that as a reaction with a job like hers. No man wants a woman who is performing sexual acts in front of other men, even if it is just on camera.

And if she makes the claim that "It's just acting," then that opens up a whole other can of worms, since they might question if she is really done acting when she is not on camera.

ransay3277 · 2019-04-19T13:44:19+00:00

An over 30 cam girl. Sign me up.

3amDinner · 2019-04-19T14:00:53+00:00

if shes does sexual things for money, shes a hooker. most guys arent trying to be in a relationship with a fucking hooker.

on another note since they are trying to get rid of the stigma for being "sex workers", when can a pimp get some love too?

Gordon-G · 2019-04-19T14:47:33+00:00

Over 30 cam whore, at or near The Wall, now wants to settle down with a “good guy”....haha...yeah pass !

Narcissist456 · 2019-04-19T19:06:24+00:00

Imagine being a literal internet hooker, and genuinely being confused as to why men don’t want to date you.

That’s like if I was a homeless dude living under a bridge and I complained that hot girls didn’t wanna fuck me.

alleyteris · 2019-04-19T18:37:14+00:00

10$ bet that she had self esteem issues as a kid and now she enjoys the sexual attention she gets.

Its not about the money as she claims, thats why she is afraid to reveal it to potential boyfriends and thats why she says she may not stop even after she enters a monogamous relationship.

Its all about validation, thats why she is in her 30s and keeps doing it. Damaged goods indeed...

Captainbuttman · 2019-04-19T13:43:01+00:00

Anybody else having trouble accessing the archive? It hasn't loaded for me in a while.

Edit: Checked on mobile and it works, just not on my desktop.

Chiliresident · 2019-04-19T17:15:49+00:00

This woman is complaining about the “usual garbage on OLD in regards to hookups and sexual talk” yet she earns money presenting herself as a sex object. You can bet she engages in a lot of “sex talk” herself. Talk about delusion. She apparently has been doing this for a while. Does she think men with anything going for them will want to be in a serious relationship with her? “ Hi mom and Dad, I’d like you to meet Cherry, she’s an online entrepreneur” “wow great catch son what does she sell, expensive handbags?” “ well not exactly.....”

[deleted] · 2019-04-19T21:41:56+00:00

"been single for two years" = been fucking randos for 2 years

ethrael237 · 2019-04-19T16:41:35+00:00

Why do you say “manipulate men into a relationship”? Seems to me she’s just trying to be honest just as she expects the guy to be honest to her. It may be hard to find a guy who wants to be with her despite her doing cam sex stuff, but it makes sense that she wants to be honest.

EffigyDijjih · 2019-04-19T17:57:44+00:00

I know a camgirl, personally, and we've been over this exact same conversation. It felt weird reading this, because almost verbatim everything this girl said was in line if not exactly what the girl I've known said.

I don't remember exactly how we got onto the subject, but I remember I wanted to dig around in her thoughts. She wanted to make it a point that she doesn't pursue guys for "shallow" things like looks and affluence. Reciting garbage about how she's some intellesexual or whatever title losers assign themselves. She's only "sexually attracted to intelligence, and if you're capable of engaging in deep conversations". She told the story of two of her former lovers, Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks to a fucking T.

Alpha Chad was a kid she had a thing for in high school, and soon after graduating they lost contact. She described him as a sweet dude that was pretty chill to be around in high school, but when they met up a few years later apparently he had became a huge douche, and she could see through this "mask" he was apparently wearing. She figured he would act that way because it got him girls, funny enough that same behavior got him in bed with her. She claims they didn't have sex that night, because he was a loser (and couldn't get it up.) She was really condescending about it. Focusing on him being a "loser douche" part but didn't think of the hypocrisy in the fact that she's letting this "loser" mount her up. If it's confusing to read trust me it was confusing to listen to.

Now let's move on to Beta Billy. Beta Billy was some foreign guy from Europe, apparently he's an engineer and this word guru that just tickles all her fancies. She was completely head over heels for this guy, or atleast she projected that image. Saying he's so much better than all the guys she's been with before, and he actually wants to know her. Apparently before him, she never had a guy that cared. He found out about her camgirling, and actually didn't have a problem with it all he wanted to do is watch it as well. She denied him ofcourse, because "it's my job." "That's not the real me, it's acting." "I wouldn't be able to have a 1 on 1 with him in that kind of environment.", she tried to ease this by offering to "do some of those things on a 1 on 1". I noticed the "some of those things" part, and said wait if this guy was so great why not go all the way. "Because I'm not like that, like I said it's an act. I'm not enjoying it.". He promptly called bullshit and ghosted on her, over the next few days she panicked and would hit up all his friends. Eventually she guilt tripped enough of them to get them to bring him back. He made up the excuse that he was really focused on work or school, or whatever. She later finds out he went to a bar with some chick he had a thing with from high school. She was raving and raging, how dare he leave my prostitute-lite self for another girl! She "dumped him", calling him a liar and that she can't deal with liars.

She hasn't had a relationship since that guy, albeit it has only been a few months. She apparently blew one of her previous "douche bag" ex's between that time and now. She ended the conversation zealously proclaiming how she doesn't want kids and that she's going to pursue her makeup career and never get into another relationship and this and that. It's so crazy to have like the perfect real world example of red pill truth. She's like a gold mine for this sorta shit.

WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey · 2019-04-19T19:23:32+00:00

Why the absolute fuck is it so hard to grasp that choices have consequences? She chose to do this type of online prostitution and regular guys are repelled and not interested in an LTR. And they're honestly right not to as she states quite clearly that she has no intention of stopping.

Cristoff13 · 2019-04-19T22:27:55+00:00

She says something at the start about unsolicited sexual talk and offers for hookups, then writes "we all know it can be hard to avoid this as a female. Men too probably".

I don't this is actually a concern for men on OLD.

Jonlife · 2019-04-19T22:42:41+00:00

Insane. Some of the comments were saying to wait until he's hooked all the way in. That's like waiting to tell someone you used to be an escort but didn't want to say it early on so they wouldn't run for the hills lol, Wtf.

Ladies, all you have is your sexuality. Men value that which is why we don't want to get with a woman who's fucked 10,000 guys in a year. Women get with criminals and thugs and drug dealers because it's thrilling to them. They don't care if a guy fucked 50,000 women. They'll get in line to see what it's all about.

This is clear and present danger for any guy looking to start a long term relationship. Any time a chick says she met a really great guy, this is her saying she's looking to get off the cock carousel. She's getting older and tired of spinning plates. This is also the time where she thinks giving head is a special occasion type thing and feels too righteous to give it to her man without him giving her something expensive.

I hope that guy ran for the hills. If he's smart he probably did.

aussielander · 2019-04-19T23:56:11+00:00

Guys are just the fucken worse, am i right sisters??? Judging women who stick things up their front bum for money.

wtfboooom · 2019-04-20T03:26:51+00:00

Call me old-fashioned, but I consider someone who enjoys being a cam-whore a pretty big fucking relationship red flag.

gprime · 2019-04-20T04:13:10+00:00

And of course a recent participant whose comment is not captured above added "Heads up, I found this through an incel sub." Because apparently anybody who has anything bad to say about any woman ever is an incel. I guess whatever helps undesirable feminists sleep at night...

oh_no_aliens · 2019-04-22T22:51:51+00:00

Bitch is trying to have her cake and eat it too... It don't work that way ho.

ThaBromar · 2019-05-07T18:42:20+00:00

She charges people in order for her to do stuff online. The guy sees this as “she doesn’t enjoy sex if she has to get paid for it. Let me find someone that doesn’t charge for it because if she doesn’t charge for it, she definitely likes sex.”

futofin · 2019-04-19T15:15:46+00:00

What’s OLD

vendablefall · 2019-04-20T00:56:42+00:00

Is the link broken ?

SultanKhan9 · 2019-05-19T06:15:15+00:00

also chk out https://youtu.be/TfK_glXJv9M

PrinceKael · 2019-04-19T11:52:26+00:00

Eh I might be in the minority here but she's not physically with others guys, she's 'acting' and doesn't seem too demanding.

Tbh I don't see any negative but I can defs see how others might not feel comfortable with it.

Title	Proud cam girl who expects honesty needs advice on how to manipulate guys into a relationship.
Author	sleepyweaselisawake
Upvotes	375
Comments	159
Date	April 19, 2019 10:28 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen
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