Greetings,
I've been a pretty long time reader of this sub. I have noticed a lot of posts along the lines of "I just asked my crush out" etc.
Those posts are totally fine. We all like the comradery and supporting a fellow peer; however, its the comments and some of the other posts that breed this incel culture.
From the front page of this subreddit today:
I'm having a date with my crush in about 3 hours
Jesus lucky bastard
You lucky shit!
Thanks, although I don't think much will change. Rn I'm just lying in bed watching anime like the lazy piece of shit I am.
Tell us if you bang her
I've always become friends with my crushes... just friends...
You lucky piece of shit....
The "lucky" comments seem to insinuate two things. First, that love and happiness is based on luck, and that these commentors are just unlucky and won't even find love. Second, there is a bit of bitterness and disdain toward the "lucky" person. Kind of like saying, "Why this fucker and not me!!!!" Additionally, this thread also had some pretty incel-specific comments (3rd and 6th). Some of the responses to those comments were along the lines of, "oh don't worry it gets better you just need to wait it out". NO! That is the worst thing you can tell someone in that situation! More on that later.
Anyone else feel heartbroken despite never having had a girlfriend? - 200 upvotes
At least you got offers
Yep, except I didn't had any offer...
This post was pretty good overall. A lot of the other comments were supportive.
I know how fustrating it can be trust me. But you are feeling this way because you're focusing too much on the fact that someone might turn up and then they don't. You shouldn't let wanting a relationship affect how you act or do work, otherwise you'll fall into a depression
We should take the example of this guy above. When you see someone posting stuff like this, work to counteract it. Don't let your friends on this sub fall into this incel-ish mentality. They may not be a full incel yet, but these types of feeling are what create one in the future.
Those two posts are just examples from today. There are many more out there. PLEASE BOIS, when you see a friend display incel tenancies, try to snap them out of it!
If you are an incel or pre-incel reading this post, here are some suggestions to snap out of it:
You can't just sit idle and "wait for life to get better"! You have to get out and do something. Make something. BE SOMETHING. Sitting idle and waiting just allows someone to perpetuate their own grievances and get mad at the world that "life is not getting better for me". If you want your life to get better, you have to pull yourself up by your bootsraps and tell yourself "I want to change".
Work out (strength, cardio, whatever). I can't tell you how amazing you will feel once you begin getting some exercise. It is almost like a drug, it's that good.
Bathe. You will feel good once you're clean.
Talk to people in person. It's not as weird as you think to just randomly just start talking to someone (men or women).
Stop doing drugs if you do them.
Cut out the porn. You'll begin to see women as real people instead of sex objects.
Thanks for reading.
THE ONE AND ONLY EDIT:
Quoting one of the replies:
Why does no one see the point of this post. The point of this post wasn’t to call out kids who are depressed about not being in a relationship. The whole point was to just let people know about how incel behavior, given the right conditions, can manifest itself in teens as they grow older
If this post prevents one depressed kid from becoming an incel in any way, then it’s done it’s job.
What this person said above is true. I've had numerous people PM me and say how they are going to improve themselves and turn themselves around. WONDERFUL! I'm glad this post accomplished something. A lot of the replies to his thread are completely disgusting. Not to mention the replies that perfectly exhibit the behavior I am trying to point out in this post.
Thanks to those that were able to have a civilized discussion.
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I hate these stupid millennial slang and buzz words. “Incel”, “adulting”, “Treat yo self”. I see it as the ultimate expression of the herd mentality that defines this generation. 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑
[–]alphabachelor 114 points115 points116 points (29 children) | Copy Link
I’m in my 40s and I know women that still talk like this.
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[–]new2redpill 64 points65 points66 points (21 children) | Copy Link
41 here, tru that. Bitches still dressing like they’re 21 when they’re like 36 I’m like WTF is wrong with you?!? Got tinker bell or hello kitty shit on there car, then they want to talk about “A REAL MAN” HA. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.
[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points (0 children) | Copy Link
42 yr-old co-worker (attorney) dresses like she is 21 and talks like she is still in high school, complete with "hell na" and "like" and "whatevs"
[–]TheYoungGriffin 7 points8 points9 points (9 children) | Copy Link
Okay but I'm a 30 yr old man that wears superhero tshirts everywhere.
[–]new2redpill 7 points8 points9 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Thats fine, the problem with these bitches is that they not only dress Ike teenagers but also have the mental maturity of one.
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
And the emotional maturity of a 12 year old.
[–]RedPill-BlackLotusHelping hands from The Abyss 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You can reason with a 12 year old.
[–]alphabachelor 6 points7 points8 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Equally as bad.
[–]warlocc_Jr. Hamster Analyst 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. While I don't dress that way personally, by itself it's not a bad thing. It's when combined with other behaviors does it become a problem.
[–]DannyDemotta 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I would really (REALLY) get a kick out of you saying this to my face while I'm wearing some throwaway Batman/Hulk/whatever shirt with my forearms looking like a relief map and my traps about 4" higher than my collarbone. You'd be stuttering like a bitch, trying to get the right words out.
Yes /r/iamverybadass, I get it. But some of us just don't give a shit what we're wearing to go get groceries, or get our oil changed. The clothes don't make the man. You're a sucker if you fall into that trap. It's one thing to dress appropriately for a wedding, company event, etc. It's another to dress like a Supreme Gentlesir every time you leave the house. Just corny.
[–]SirKolbathYeah, yeah. “Mods are incels.” 3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I can’t put you down. My entire apartment is decorated in Deadpool.
[–]TheYoungGriffin 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I also have a Deadpool tattoo that I got back in high school (circa 2007).
[–]SirKolbathYeah, yeah. “Mods are incels.” 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, maybe I can a little bit.
[–]wshamer 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Filters on pic like kids
[–]QuasisLogic 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I love hearing the point of view of an older guy who’s seen enough shit to not tolerate it anymore. It always makes me smile to know that the decisions I make today, are extremely likely to be the ones that I would make when I’m older.
[+]SolipSchism -6 points-5 points-4 points (7 children) | Copy Link
How exactly are 36-year-old women “supposed” to dress?
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points (5 children) | Copy Link
professional. As befit their occupation and station.
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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Missing the point. I see 35 yr old attorneys dressed like thots going to the club at the office. Do you show up to your construction job wearing a suit or your PJs?
[–]PhilhelmSmashing the patriarchy one single mother at a time 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
No, but a wife-beater, blue jeans, steel-toed boots, a pack of Marlboro's, and Oakleys would be appropriate.
[–]jordanbadland 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
They can dress casually. Do you think there's no difference in taste for casual clothing between an 8-year-old, a 15-year-old, a 21-year-old, and a 35-year-old? Mhhh?
And I'm gonna say that 21 year old women (and men) often try to show superiority over their peers by choosing a dressing style that resembles what we'd expect from a 40 year old who has shit figured out. They do that consciously. There is a way to dress.
And in the exactly opposite way, these women dress younger, consciously, to again net them something. Bullshit tho, it just looks desperate and shows that she is a more easy mark because she lacks frame and status
[–]PhilhelmSmashing the patriarchy one single mother at a time -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
36 onesies?
[–]Mefic_vestWAATGM Endorsed 12 points13 points14 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Almost finished my fifth decade, much the same (although less severe as they get older). Those that don’t at all are ones that married young and never divorced.
Note, that: married young, never divorced. Typically within their first three partners. Makes for a world of difference in how happy and well-adjusted they are; which is to say, much more so than the average.
[–]alphabachelor 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re absolutely correct. All of the ones I’ve described either have never been married, only married because they got knocked up or are on their 4th husbands.
In other words, this is another tell to identify the thots to rent, never marry.
[–]loneliness-incLvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is true.
For thousands of years, men preferred to marry virgins. Our ancestors were onto something.... But if you say that today, you'll be labeled as being part of a virginity cult lol.
[–]BlogginginvicecitySr. Hamster Analyst 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yessir, because it's the wise action: the action that pays off.
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
As it turns out, the acton that pays off is the one that prevents damage to their psyche and pair bonding ability.
[–]Haywood_Jablomie42 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm mid-30s and I've dated women much younger than me and even several years older than me. I learned that women never mature past high school. They physically get older and their demands might change, but their childish thought process never changes.
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The saddest part is that they picked up these terms when they were in their 30s. At least use your own generation's slang
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[–]MozzerDozzer6 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Clearly someone doesn't understand the concept of a "sociolect".
Unrestricted usage of a particular sociolect doesn't signify your low intelligence.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
OK, but excessive or inappropriate use of those terms sure does.
[–]Dash_of_islam 11 points12 points13 points (16 children) | Copy Link
Gen Z for the win. Post 1995 babies are more conservative than millennial hippie fags
[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points (11 children) | Copy Link
I dunno man. I hear that a lot but when I come across a lot of those kids on social media apps they seem even worse.
[–]Dash_of_islam 9 points10 points11 points (10 children) | Copy Link
What do they say?
In my University some faggot started talking about toxic masculinity in the lecture, but the millennial professor practically uses social media as her Bible following hippie group-think.
Seems like gen Z is learning from most of the mistakes the millennials made, maybe I'm biased since I'm gen Z
[–]ClockworkOrange92618WAATGM Endorsed 6 points7 points8 points (8 children) | Copy Link
I mean they are also the generation that eats Tide pods, I wouldn't place too much stock in them..
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points (7 children) | Copy Link
It's all good man, Gen Z is a just about the same breed of crazy as their parents. Gen Z are the Gen X kids. Generation X wasn't originally called Generation X. We were originally called the "latch-key kids" because both of our parents worked and were gone when we got home from school, maybe even when we left for school. Gen-X just had to figure things out, mom (or non-gender specific parent of your choice as millennials may decide) wasn't there to make a sandwich, we figured out our homework, we hung out with our friends while getting into stuff that would cause millennials to have outright fainting spell. All in all, we became the most entrepreneurial generation in history and a group that has a deep abiding distrust of most authority. Generation Z is shaping up to look a lot like us.
The millennials were the last small boomlet of the boomers. They are the ones that boomers were determined to "fix all the mistakes they made with gen x". If you ask me, their fixes didn't really take very well.
(I never met a millennial that mixed about ten pounds worth of fertilizer explosive all at once for fun, then we ignited it at up to 8 ounces at a time in controlled burns, caused a lot of minor explosions and got the cops called on us, who, when we explained what was going on, only told us to show him.)
[–]Dash_of_islam 3 points4 points5 points (6 children) | Copy Link
That's weird, my mom is Gen X and my dad is a Boomer and I'm a Gen Z. Both my parents were super chill until I went to middle school and we became middle class people. That's when they both became helicopter parents like their new friends.
Dad went nuts when he found out my friends and I were buying fertilizer to make a smoke bomb because he thought I was making a real bomb since it was shaped like a grenade and had a wire pull ring. Lol
I'm born 1997 and curious about the generations of yesteryear and what made them the way they are.
So if the millennials were pussies because the Boomers tried to insulate them, which generation fucked up the boomers? And how come Get X didn't insulate Gen Z; or like why is Gen Z so different than millennials??
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The boomers were spoiled by an amazing post WW2 economy and most of them never had to struggle the way that millennials do today. They also lacked the character their parents (the WW2 generation) had—because character is something that develops only through hard times and struggle. Their parents lived through the Great Depression, and many of their fathers were drafted and served in either WW2 or the Korean War—which inevitably refined them and tried them like gold.
Gen X’ers didn’t insulate Gen Z because Gen X’ers themselves weren’t insulated. They were commonly referred to as “the latch-key kids,” because they were the first generation most likely to have two working parents (due to women increasingly joining the workforce). A consequence of this was that they had to learn to fend for themselves from a young age.
I haven’t yet seen any evidence that Gen. Z is any different from the millennials. I myself am an older millennial (mid 80s baby), and I tend to lump the younger millennials in with you guys and not see much distinction between you. On the other hand the oldest of you guys are just now becoming adults so there hasn’t been enough time yet to assess your generation. I suspect that the fact that you literally grew up with smart phones in your hands and never knew the pre-internet / pre-tech world, nor ever tasted the freedoms of the pre-9/11 world, will inevitably distort your worldview and almost certainly have negative repercussions on the rest of society once you guys start entering politics and the media and whatnot.
[–]Gordonsan 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Good points regarding the difference between older millennials, and those born in the 90s. I’m mid 80s as well and really think the internet, and 9/11 will really effect the generations born after them.
I think mid 80s baby’s are special because we got both. We were able to be old enough to experience America pre 9/11, as well as socialize in a more “normal” way. Land lines, hanging out outside. Coming home before it gets dark etc.
It will be really interesting for historians going forward.
[–]jewishsupremacist88 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
this, so much. boomers were born on 3rd base. they never had any struggles.
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A couple of factors went into Gen-X that I can think of that made them, well us, different. We were the first generation raised in the "no-fault" divorce environment where there were a lot of kids with only mom around mostly. The economically dominant position the US inherited at the end of WWII position was fast evaporating leading to both parents working outside of the home even in full nuclear households. That led us to us being latch key kids.
About the time the Gen-Xers hit middle and high school, a new generation of child psychologists came out. They had the idea that anything that caused the child psychological or emotional discomfort was harmful to the child. Hence cartoons that were deemed "violent, like GI Joe and the Silverhawks, or "insensitive" like "Looney Tunes" was pushed aside in favor of shows like "Care Bears", "My Little Pony", or other stuff that was pure fluff. Ideas like having winners and losers in sports hurt the kids was put forward, when the kids wanted to compete. There were even ideas put forward like using some other color than red to mark grade sheets because the color red might be triggering.
In the 2000s, about the time you were young, that was full "helicopter parent" time, and I saw it a lot. Kids were being raised by parents who literally had them wrapped up and safe from everything including the results of making a mistake. Part of this is because of the way records are now kept and how law enforcement has been used in place of the father in a lot of places. Another part of it is because of the 24 hour news cycle, the way they sell fear would have you think that their is an epidemic of crimes against kids instead of an environment where the crime rate is low and falling. It all led to a lot of parents assuming the worst and people believing kids needed to have an adult within arms distance 24/7 or it was abandonment and abuse.
Gen Xers were mostly risk takers because we had to be. We would take a risk, fail, and there wouldn't be anyone there to pick us up, so we had to get up and try again. It wasn't some spectacular notion of parenting, most of the parents wished they didn't have to do that. Gen Z, what I have seen of them, tend to know they can take a risk and their parents will allow it and help them when they can. It isn't a sure thing, but we will see in the next ten years or so. I think Gen Z may turn out to be both extremely creative and fairly conservative.
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Very interesting analysis. I myself am among the oldest subset of millennials, so you guys were the generation I grew up looking up to in an older brother sort of way. The difference between you guys and millennials is like night and day, and literally my only hope that Gen Z won’t be as bad as the millennials is that some of the traits and values of their Gen X parents rubbed off on them.🤞🏼
[–]Dash_of_islam 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I stopped reading the news.
I feel a lot happier and like life is great. 24 hour bad news greys your world view but you don't notice till you quit.
Only read the news biweekly in case anything important has come up (RARELY learn anything useful AND relevant to my life even now)
[–]loneliness-incLvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not from gen Z, but I do have plenty of contact with university students. They are most certainly much more right leaning than they were 10 years ago. At least the boys are. Girls, not so much.
[–]EuphoricSuccotash2 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
They're conservative and doing the whole youtube 'skeptics' thing because it's the 'edgy, cool' thing to be as a teen these days. They'll probably shift far to the left as they start looking for jobs after college and getting invoices for their own shit, including student loans.
[–]Dash_of_islam 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I started university as a liberal. I'm finishing university as a slight conservative.
When I was young I wanted to save the world. When I got older I wanted to save myself first because no one else would save me.
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[–]Dash_of_islam 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Anytime grandpa.
The snowflakes are more phaggy than the millennials. But we are also getting more conservatives when you look at polls the did to high school kids in the 90s vs late 2000s.
There is more divergence now vs homogeneity of the millennials
[–]theboddha 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Adulting is just slang for "I have no discipline"
[–]CoMaBlaCK 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Incel is the new virgin. If you disagree with someone online you’re now an incel, the same way retard got replaced by autist.
Adulting is a bug man phrase that needs to go though.
[–]PhilhelmSmashing the patriarchy one single mother at a time 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's NPC scripting.
[–]Anyna-Meatall 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Love that you ended this sentiment with sheep emojis
*sheep*
*emojis*
to criticize slang, buzz words, and the herd mentality
so awesome
[–]TheTyke 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Animals are dope. Herds work and are very effective ways to ensure safety and social cohesion. Labelling and categorising everything arbitrarily is very much just a Human thing.
[–]silmaril12 -3 points-2 points-1 points (2 children) | Copy Link
StUPiD MiLlenIaLs
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points (1 child) | Copy Link
FYI I am a millennial also. Unbiased assessment.
[–]CSM_PepperMike Judge was an optimist -3 points-2 points-1 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate how they say "reached out to" when "contacted" would work just fine. The enemedia is full of that shit.
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This is a new description of an old problem/issue.
Since about, oh, forever, both men and women have shamed and excoriated and run down men for the very innocuous activity of noting the existence of things that don't work for them in dating, mating, sex, and marriage. Or, men will note there are things they don't understand. Or men will say they need help with certain things. Men talk about things they don't like. Men note "this doesn't work for me" and "I don't do well in this area" and "I am not getting what i want and need".
When I first got to the manosphere in 2011, it was well known that women (especially women) hated it when men talked about their difficulties in dating and sex. You see, women are allowed to talk about THEIR problems and difficulties. But men? Men are not ever allowed any space to talk about what causes them angst and difficulty. Men are not ever allowed to discuss those things, not even with other men.
I think women have two problems with men doing this. First, women view men talking about problems as weakness. Women do not want to see any form of imperfections, however slight, in men. Women have absolutely NO tolerance for men's problems. Second, women don't like it when men get together and exclude women for any reason. But women really don't like it when men get together to talk about problems, and they really really don't like it when men get together to talk about solving their own problems.
And women get extremely concerned when men get together to talk about things men don't like. To women, that's a breeding ground for the Eliot Rodgers and Toronto van drivers of the world. That's Richard Spencer. That's alt-right. That's neonazism. That's a criminal conspiracy. To women, here, in men's fora, is where incels are born and incubated.
To women, nothing good comes from men identifying their problems and seeking out help from other men to resolve them. Because if men talk to other men, they'll find out that what women have been telling them is bullshit. They'll discover that, no, women don't have men's best interest at heart. They just might find out that they don't need women to help them and they don't need a woman's influence in their life. Oh, they might want women, but (GASP) men will start expecting the women in their lives to be with them on their own terms and expecting women to add value to their men's lives. Men will start excluding women who don't add value. Men will stop helping women. Men will stop wifing up women when they leave the carousel. Men will start recognizing sluts and cunts for what they are.
That means women lose power. That means individual men gaining power over their own lives.
And women cannot have that. The PTB cannot have that.
It used to be "you men are just wimps and pussies!" Now it's "you're incels!"
When I was growing up, the worst "fighting words" insult you could hurl at a guy was to call him a pussy. Now, the worst insult is to call him an incel. Before, it was "you're not a man!" Now, it's "you're unattractive, a social retard, and a social outcast!"
That, folks, is why this will always be a forum for men's discussion and where men are the intended audience. Let incels come here. So we can kick their asses and get them to a place where they can make decisions from their own power instead of what everyone else demands of them.
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Following up on this earlier point:
There was a reason why boys were taken from their mothers when they were around 10, 11, 12 years old and called into the company of older boys and men, away from women. Those boys needed to go through the rite of passage from boyhood into manhood. They needed to learn, to push themselves, to problem solve, to grow and develop and break through.
And it was painful. There was breakage. There were injuries. There were failures. There was loss. There were tears and frustration and yelling and crying and screaming and pain and agony.
And it was all done away from women. And it was done away from women because
1) mommies would try to save their baby boys, when that was the last thing they needed. Their baby boys needed to learn to take the pain and stand on their own two feet, alone
2) girls shamed the boys who failed and cried out in pain and agony and frustration. They didn't need that either. They needed to be with men who had themselves been through it and who would push them and encourage them to get back up and keep going so as to overcome the pain, rather than stay down and stop the pain. And they needed to do this away from the prying gossiping eyes and ears of girls and women.
The problem is that all this is now done in full view of women. An even bigger problem is that we now have 2 generations of boys and men (who are now fathers and husbands) who have never been through that baptism by fire. It's a hell of a lot easier to go through this at 14 than it is at 24, 34, 44.
It's a hell of a lot easier to get broken down and built back up as a teenager than it is when you're trying to work a job, pay a mortgage, raise kids, and deal with a harridan bitchcunt "wife" who hates you, won't fuck you, and threatens you every other day with divorce rape.
It's a hell of a lot easier to be broken as a 13 year old than it is as a 43 year old who's just had his wallet stolen from him and his soul sucked out of him through his asshole in divorce court.
[–]launchswitch 25 points26 points27 points (8 children) | Copy Link
I had a football coach at 14 who put us through this. He got fired for it after the season, but I learned what it was to overcome, to push through hardship, to never give up. I went through military training on the enlisted and officer side, got married young, have been poor, have failed in my life. It all pails compared to that experience I had, that my coach created, when I was a freshman in high school.
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Yeah.
there's a difference between overcoming pain and stopping pain. There's a difference between surmounting an obstacle and avoiding it.
We have, now, 2 or 3 generations of men who have been doing things to stop pain and avoid obstacles. And so they have never learned to go through pain and thus overcome it. They do not master anything; they simply manage things. They do not overcome and surmount obstacles or problems; they just avoid them.
Management is not mastery. Avoidance is not victory. And stopping pain is not overcoming it.
If you learn to overcome pain, you can defeat it when it comes again. If you don't, it will defeat you every time it returns.
[–]magx01 11 points12 points13 points (2 children) | Copy Link
This is something I am constantly working on with my daughter (she's ten). Her mother and everyone else around her seems to think the world should stop when she experiences the slightest of inconveniences. I (and many of us here) know better. When she was younger, she used to take my attitude as not caring but she seems to have internalized the message now and will actually fight against those trying to keep her from testing her potential.
She's become quite the resilient little fighter- whether it's against temperature or pain or fatigue or fear. She will at least attempt to push on and that's what I hope will help her avoid many of the pitfalls that seem to trip up so many people these days. "Play through the pain" is not indicative of a lack of care. It's a recognition of human potential and a safeguard against anxiety, depression, despair and maybe even suicide in later years.
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Mom's job is to love your kids up and go "there there let me help your widdle boo boo mama kiss it make it all better pumpkin wumpkin".
Dad's job is to encourage and push your kids and go "get yourself up, dust yourself off, shake it off, and keep going" and "I know it hurts but there's stuff to do and you've gotta do it so let's keep going".
[–]magx01 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Balance....the thing that is sorely missing these days. Now the female influence is unchecked. Actually, more like overwhelming since the vast majority of teachers are female. My nephew's school got rid of the playground and banned any and all contact between boys ffs. They mistake male bonding (roughhousing, bantering/teasing) for "violence."
[–]SirKolbathYeah, yeah. “Mods are incels.” 3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
This is the sort of whiny “it’s everyone’s fault but miiiiiiine” spoiled millennial attitude you get following that path.
https://i.imgur.com/jmCfZew.jpg
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In the years since I was in law school, many schools have begun etiquette classes. "Finishing school", so to speak. I shit you not: teaching budding fledgling lawyers how to comport themselves at formal events. Learning which fork is for what. Basic social skills.
[–]rwbyrgb 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If you didn't grow up in a wealthy family those things are completely alien. Imagine yourself in a foreign country with different customs. You don't just know what they are, you have to acquaint yourself with them despite it being "common knowledge" to anyone living there.
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Football was never about the game to my coach. It was about molding men. The game was simply an acted-out analogy for life
[–]magx01 5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
.....This is so spot on. The only ones still doing this are the tribal cultures...you know, the ones who didn't self domesticate? The ones that are still free?
You have a lot of great insight man. I'm really sad for two entire generations of men now. What a damn shame :(
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Shit. We USED TO do this in the US.
It was called high school and college team athletics. It was called Boy Scouts. It was called men's clubs. It was called stag bars, poker games, and pool halls.
[–]SirKolbathYeah, yeah. “Mods are incels.” 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Makes me think of The Great Brain series I read as a kid. The gentile boys in Adenville, Utah were sent off to boarding school, only coming home for the summers. At 18, they were expected to enter the job market and produce a good or service.
It’s no surprise that the books were written in the early 1930s about the author’s own family at the turn of the century.
[–]magx01 6 points7 points8 points (2 children) | Copy Link
GreatReally great post and it just highlights how far mainstream discourse/summation of societal norms and inter gender dynamics is from actual reality.[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points (1 child) | Copy Link
TLDR:
Women don't like it when men say "I don't like this thing about dating". Because to women, men saying "I don't like X" is complaining; because that's what women do. Women get together to commiserate and bellyache and whine and bitch together.
Women also don't like it because when men say "I don't like this thing about dating", they hear "I don't like this thing about women" or "I don't like women" or "I don't like MY woman".
But to men, when we hear "I don't like X" it means "I want a solution for X so that X works for me." That was and still is the entire point of the manosphere - "X doesn't work for you. Here are solutions."
[–]SirKolbathYeah, yeah. “Mods are incels.” 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That is because men fix things. Women don’t.
[–]Lil_AmberSweet 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
an amazing post. Well written and well thought out. Thank you!
[–]kevin32Reddit's Ambassador for NiceGuys™[S] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
u/DonLandsman, will you sticky this comment?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's all about power and control.
[–]Anyna-Meatall 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Just to be clear, *this particular forum* isn't at all about men helping each other solve their problems, but rather about mockery and disdain for women. Right?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
We do not mock or disdain "women". Many women are good women and are not deserving of mockery or disdain. At least not here.
WE are about mockery and disdain for SOME women who complain about wanting a good man after dating/fucking/having sex with/reproducing with douchebags and shitbags, and then thinking they're entitled to said "good man".
It's also about helping men identify and avoid said women.
Do you have a problem with this?
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[–]usa_foot_print 42 points43 points44 points (3 children) | Copy Link
The Left doesn't understand the difference between preaching and explaining things. No where does he/she explain why those types of comments lead to incel behavior. Seriously, we are raising people with literally no logic ability at all. Hell my millennial generation is a perfect example of not being able to logically think
[–]WesternhagenDiamondback AMOG 23 points24 points25 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The whole point of education for the past 50+ years has been to teach people to feel, not to think. The Left will lose on facts and logic every time, that is why they shifted the debate to the realm of feelz. They want kids to "feel correctly" in accordance with the Leftist dogma of the moment (a process the Left misnames as "critical thinking") because doing so makes reason and logic irrelevant.
It is no accident that the shift to feelz-based education coincides with the shift to overwhelming dominance of female teachers in elementary school and secondary school. Who better to teach "feelz not logic" than women, who operate on the basis of "feelz not logic" in their everyday life?
[–]PolukranosEatsWords 11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
All the lefts talking points, and more precisely, their social engineering movements revolve around what basically equates to ad hominem assertions - "hate speech", "misogyny", "racism", ect., all assume intent upon the individual, ultimately a subjective intent determined by the subjective emotions of the offended party. What matters for them is not how closely such claims reflect on truth or reality, but the emotional state of the one making such claims. In the very best, this turns into a competition based on composure. In the worst, it becames a series of purity tests that reinforces group dogma.
How the left predicated itself on what is essentially a logic error is astounding.
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OP is a guy
[+]communismwillwin80 -8 points-7 points-6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Liberal (Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair), not left (Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges). We hate liberals for their bullshit too, bro.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Blair was not a Liberal, mate.
Blair might actually have been more Authoritarian than Thatcher. Yes, seriously.
[–]communismwillwin80 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I upvoted your reply.
Liberal in the original sense of the world, which emphasizes business and corporate "freedom". You might call it neoliberalism, but if you look at very famous "liberal" presidents from Woodrow Wilson to JFK, they were all pretty damn pro-business and pro-war.
[–]DeeplyDisturbed1FDS Dinner Donor 79 points80 points81 points (17 children) | Copy Link
Thanks /u/kevin32.
I just wrote this (below) in response to the top comment, which was deleted while I was typing this reply to it. I will post it anyway, because I think it bears some truth. I hope you will allow it, as it supports your original point.
Oh geez. Here we go.
First of all, who made you the incel police?
I have been on Reddit under different monikers for a long long time. I remember when men would communicate honestly with each other and you could learn a LOT about life just by lurking. Weakly supported opinions and reposts were voted into oblivion. Bad spelling, grammar, poorly formulated titles, and bad sources were also dealt with harshly - but open honest dialogue was welcomed!
THAT is how a community censors itself. Now all those things are openly welcomed - no spelling or grammar standards, obviously biased sources are fine, but god help you if you engage in wrong think.
That was when there were mostly robust grownups here. That was then. Here we are on the new, new, new Reddit and people are openly advocating for censorship because of the growing menace of ...celibacy?
This platform has become egregiously sexist against the average regular American man. But is has happened so slowly that few people seem to have noticed. Not too long ago TRP was quarantined. How many of you remember Ellen Pao and her changes. How many remember when the r Atheism was removed as a default sub?
This was censorship plain and simple. The owners of Reddit are telling you what you shall or shall not be allowed to read on this platform. I guess they have that power so they can do what they want. But now, we have regular users having a debate about who should be allowed to express their opinions and in what way in regards to incels. This is not just censorship, it is self-abuse and it is sexism plain and simple. In the long run, the only real response to sexism is sexism. When will people get this? Don't respond, just reflect on this and let it rattle around in your head.
The word incel is approaching the level of the n-word. I ask that you consider where that goes in the long run. How many behaviors, attitudes, and words will be included under that umbrella? Where does this stop? What happens when someone calls YOU (or this whole sub) an "incel hate sub"? And who gets to say so?
That is what you are advocating for when you support censorship in any form. Now you know.
[–]throwawayinj 51 points52 points53 points (3 children) | Copy Link
"This platform has become egregiously sexist against the average regular American man." I disagree; it's not against the average regular American man, but the average regular man. Period.
[–]DeeplyDisturbed1FDS Dinner Donor 4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Ok. Not sure what that means, but its semantics either way.
[–]throwawayinj 3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
It's sexist against average, regular men, not just American ones. I trust that clears it up.
[–]DeeplyDisturbed1FDS Dinner Donor 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok. Fair enough. I try not to speak for other countries or cultures, so I can only be confident about American men - from WI, to FL, to CA, to NY. Pretty much everywhere, and especially in mainstream media. Reddit IS mainstream media now.
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[–]the_unseen_oneSr. Hamster Analyst 19 points20 points21 points (5 children) | Copy Link
It used to be that you weren't considered "permavirgin" status until you hit your early 20s. Now apparently you're supposed to be slaying pussy left and right within a year or two of starting puberty.
[–]scottbrio 10 points11 points12 points (1 child) | Copy Link
And yet at the same time worry constantly if that consensual hook up you had will later be considered rape.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t I guess 🙄
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's why i'm not really gonna try and slay puss i'm not trying to get accused of rape. Call me an incel I don't care i'm just not trying to have my life ruined.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. It's disgusting how this is going on
[–]strallus 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Eh, more like early 30s.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. It's disgusting how this is going on
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod 6 points7 points8 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The problem is that 15 y/o boy is surrounded by 14 and 15 y/o Thots who are screwing half dozen different guys in a year. By the time they are 20, their female cohorts have had more partners than the average 1800's prostitute and has completely ruined her pair bonding ability via alpha widowhood. The 15 y/o incel boy becomes a 20 y/o MGTOW.
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I think you might be right. I remember when I was in middle school there were girls who were already having sex at 12 and 13. By high school it was fwb that was the new thing. So gross
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[–]DeeplyDisturbed1FDS Dinner Donor 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I get that. AND this is the next label. America has enough labels. They are not working. In fact, it has been argued that name calling = bullying = the root of oppression.
Which is it?
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[–]Your_Coke_Dealer35 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
Nofap is a cult
Change my mind
[–]MoreGoodLessBad 13 points14 points15 points (2 children) | Copy Link
For some it can be. Definitely a lot of 'out there' group think going on.
But at the same time there's a lot of genuine interaction and encouragement for those of us who want to lose our dependency to a rather questionable addiction.
[–]strallus 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't need to hedge that.
Porn has zero positive long-term impact on anyone's life.
Change my mind.
[–]MoreGoodLessBad 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Preach.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points (2 children) | Copy Link
See what happens when 40, 50, 55 year old men and women have kids?
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup. It is such a shame
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The rates of autism and spergery amongst zoomers really highlights the problem with having kids at an older age.
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I think the OP is a chick no?
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope. OP is a guy, don't let his username fool you lol
[–]magx01 38 points39 points40 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Those comments are reflective of the fact that it's HARD out there for these guys. Things are skewed WAY in favour of the females due to the onset of technology intersecting with dating. All this moral posturing is just ignorance masquerading as virtue.
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[–]magx01 5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I disagree- I think their very nature is to constantly reach for the best they can get. I don't think they invest the way guys do- unless they actually get their claws on a top 5% guy- then they become crazy attached and if they get dumped they go fucking insane.
[–]theDukesofSwagger 33 points34 points35 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Haha. It’s written by a 17 year old. Just look at their post history
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah it’s a chick giving “advice”.
[–]theDukesofSwagger 9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s a guy.
[–]Bacon_Kitteh9001 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
>stating that you're male twice so you don't offend less than a percent of the population
omegalul
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points (2 children) | Copy Link
it's 2 generations of retards. we're doomed. just enjoy the ride and avoid women as much as possible.
[–]Haywood_Jablomie42 8 points9 points10 points (1 child) | Copy Link
It's hard not to get depressed about how utterly fucked our society is. Sure, now I can just ignore most people and enjoy my hobbies, but for how long? Will I have government employees inspecting my home for "offensive" books or games in 20 years?
[–]basedmillennial95 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope they'll just disappear and deplatform anyone who makes those books or games.
[–]houseoftolstoyUnchivalrous Christian 24 points25 points26 points (0 children) | Copy Link
What is being done to the word "incel" is just one of many examples of leftist warping terminology to manipulate discourse. Rather than acknowledge the original definition, they use words that have a stigma to them in order to get the responses they want.
For example, the ever changing definition of the word "rape." Most people associate that term to mean a forcing someone into sexual intercourse, often violently. But it is often used in a way that is very far from that definition, where a man lying about his profession in order to trick a woman into having sex with him is considered "rape." Or if a woman has had a few drinks (and I mean a few, not passed out drunk or completely smashed out of her mind) where she is fully aware of her surroundings and is very active in having sex with a guy, but regrets her actions the next day, that is considered "rape." The guy will not get the same benefit if he was also drinking. Funny how society admits that men are more responsible, if it means that it will benefit women.
When the word "rape" is used with a completely different context, it is done with the intention of getting an equivalent reaction to that of an actually violent act of rape. Apply this same reasoning to the word "incel" and you will see how it is meant to derail debate. While incel means "involuntary celibate" and nothing more, there has been a deliberate effort to conflate that term to a man who is hateful, violent, and desiring to bring harm to women. It does not matter that the term does not mean those things in its strict definition, it will be used as a pejorative to attack men in general.
For those who do not think this is deliberate, the left is also the side that looks to police language via political correctness. They know full well that if they are allowed to set the rules to what words are allowed or how those words should be perceived, they will have the advantage. I don't want to grant them that advantage, so I will not hesitate to call a slut a slut.
[–]TheImpossible1 21 points22 points23 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Incel is women's way of shutting down any attacks on their awful behavior and actions by comparing them to the incels on the (feminist controlled) news outlets, who are all murderers.
[–]Bacon_Kitteh9001 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
all two of them
[–]glassman222222 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So fucking true
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Screw Them.
I have to admit my fellow Millenials are Quite the Stupid.
[–]AncapGhxst 16 points17 points18 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Soon the incels will have the great experience of getting cucked. I'm sure they will enjoy it unless they just hire a whore then at least they aren't committing to anything.
[–]BlogginginvicecitySr. Hamster Analyst 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Blackpilled incels are aware, hence MSTOW: Men Staying Their Own Way.
[–]motor-_ 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Or the AI bots arrive.
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[–]motor-_ 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
When they realize they can finally have their surgeon/thug/emo/drummer/vampire/werewolf Chad via AI, it will suddenly be “my body my choice “ and AI as “empowerment”.
They are have been enjoying it for years with their “dating sims”.
[–]alphabachelor 15 points16 points17 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The examples given in that post are less incel and more blue pill herby.
We have much more work to do.
[–]KingOfTheShitPosters 13 points14 points15 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's because "incel" is another word they can use to shut down conversation, like screaming racist. "Oh you disagree with me, you're clearly an incel."
[–]CritiqueTheWorship 11 points12 points13 points (4 children) | Copy Link
There's a man's man and then there's a woman's man. Men's men are supposidely toxic, our behavior when we're with the boys is no good. Which is why we have more women's men and less men's men these days. Men also work with women these days, unless you're in the trades like myself, when it used to be men worked together and women worked at home.
Man-capris, pink sports jerseys, almond milk, feminism, worshipping gays - this is female shit, but we got more and more men aligning their interests with women in hopes to screw them.
The real niceguys are the dude's with man-buns, doing hot yoga and watching their gfs puggle "Mr. Pumpkin" while holding her Starbucks for her. This is not masculinity, this is bitch boy.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points (2 children) | Copy Link
When did almond milk get a bad rep?
It's very low in carbs + fat, has none of the estrogen issues of soy, good protein, tastes decent, amazing mineral and vitamin content, doesn't raise blood sugar
[–]rwbyrgb 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
It doesn't have good protein, almond milk barely has protein. You're way better off just drinking regular old skim milk.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I was referring to enhanced protein almond milk - they use pea protein, ends up with 20-30% more protein than skim milk with none of the sugars (and pea protein doesn't have the soyboy hormonal impacts)
[–]scottbrio 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I partially disagree here (and on this subreddit it may be an unpopular opinion) but I enjoy doing yoga and the small pocket dog of the girl I’m dating. I also drink almond milk.
Here’s the thing: I’m still MGTOW to the core. I’m 100% a man’s man. I make it clear I have no intention of marriage, I refuse to let women take hold of my time, my money, my interests, or my friends. I live MY life as me- enjoying women for all their womenly things is natural and healthy.
We should all avoid going Monk-mode as much as possible. I don’t agree with the percentage of women-hating that goes on here, but I understand the anger and built up aggression. It’s a natural reaction to men being steam-rolled in the average American heterosexual relationship into soft, pathetic, shells of humans.
If you want intimacy with another human being, you have to give up something. For me, it’s time. I’m willing to give up a bit of my free time to spend with hanging out with a woman, but only as much as I enjoy. Only as much as I can afford with all of my work and many hobbies.
IMO this is the healthiest way to be MGTOW. Be yourself without any compromise. If a woman fits in without drama, great. Just make sure you’re a rock of a man first (and always), look out for your own future without compromise, and enjoy life.
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Here's another goddamn thing I am so sick of.
I am sick of people telling boys and men to "be more attractive" without telling them HOW to be more attractive and WHAT "attractive" and "arousing" is.
We're spending all this time telling boys to be "nice" without telling them what kinds of men girls like to fuck.
We're spending all this time telling boys to draw all their validation from what other people (especially girls) think of them. What we should be doing is telling teen boys and young men in their 20s to fucking build something in their lives and make something of their lives AND THEN showing them what that looks like by fucking DOING that.
Because when you're in your late teens and early 20s, unless you are extremely good looking, girls are not going to just fall in your lap. THey just won't. The most you're going to get from girls at that age is a lay or three. Today, most girls are not going to stay with their 16 or 17 or 18 year old boyfriend. They're not going to commit to an 18 year old college freshman guy or a 19 year old Armed Forces enlisted guy or a 20 year old third year pipefitter apprentice. They're just not. And they shouldn't.
And those late teen/early 20s men should not be encouraged to seek that out from those women. Because those young men don't have anything yet, they don't have any commitment to offer, and they don't want to commit. Your average 19 year old guy should be out there having fun, making some money, getting and staying in shape, going to school, learning some useful things, and fucking girls occasionally. He should NOT be out there with a primary mission of locking down or even really TRYING to attract a woman. Because he's still "in the oven" and "baking". He's not "done" yet. (Those first 4 things: fun, make money, lift weights, school and learning - that should be more than enough to keep a 19 year old guy quite busy.)
Your average 19, 20, 21 year old woman? She's "done". She's "ready". The oven bell rang and she's ready to "come out". She should be looking for late 20s guys and locking one of them down. In 5 or 6 years, her male-aged counterpart will be ready, and dating her younger sisters.
For right now, the 18, 19, and 20 year old guy should be out there living life and fucking thots. Sluts, thots and cougars are for younger guys to learn about women with. They're for younger guys to learn how to fuck. (And maybe if you pay attention, that occasional cougar will teach you a thing or two.) They're for the occasional diversion and stress reliever. They're for blowing off steam on the weekend. They're NOT for "girlfriends" or "commitment" especially not when you're only 19 or 20 or 21. Tom Leykis used to say: No girlfriends. No commitment. Don't even THINK about settling on one girl until you're at least 25, and even then that might be too soon.
And if you can't do that, then, well, spend the money for a high end hooker and turn in your V card that way. Just wrap it up.
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I was with you all the way to that phrase.
Why the fuck shouldn't women "settle" for a cohort before they get used up by 90 Chads and lose the ability to pair bond and lose the ability to appreciate "nice guy" behavior? Why shouldn't they be FORCED to settle for such men as every single civilization in world history has done? Why shouldn't the penalty for failing to settle with a nice young man be a lifetime of cat litter and a lonely death of a single mom treated by her kids with the same disinterest she treated them- namely a half eaten body surrounded by felines?
[–]loneliness-incLvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The true enemy here is gynocentrism. The more we turn away from gynocentrism, the more we can allow ourselves to be ourselves.
Want to have a good cry? Have a good cry. Want to be vulnerable with close male friends? Be vulnerable! Pay no attention to societal shaming. You're a human and you deserve to be allowed to experience the whole gamut of human emotions.
Once upon a time, male spaces still existed and that's where men went away from women to be vulnerable with each other. To help each other sort out their feelings or hardships or just to bond as brothers. Today, such spaces hardly exist if at all. They've all been invaded by the female collective. Women can have all female gyms, etc (as they should), but God forbid a group of men create an all male space and the torrent of accusations of misogyny comes pouring down.
If the only acceptable emotion is anger, guess what we'll see more of....
I'm sure some men and many women who will shame me for what I just said. They'll say that I'm a crybaby beta and that real men don't cry yada yada yada, blah blah blah. To that I say fuck you. To the rest of you I say - most men who are able to let go and express their emotions to a fellow male confidant, will not require all that much gut spilling, crying or emotional outbursts. They're much better off because they have an outlet, but most won't turn into mush balls.
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I feel so bad for these teens that they are coming to places like these for guidance.
I wish i had somewhere like this or TRP when i was 14.
[–]jonnytechno 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Here they are, at it again, projecting as usual; because research actually shows that when females talk as a group, about partners for example, it has been proven that it is females who are more grafic and critical whereas males on the other hand temd to be more reserved offering less detail
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So some dumb woman decides to be a budinski, what else is new?
[–]ChiTownBobAnalyze this finger bitch! 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I would add to the list above as pro tips for guys:
Asking out or dating a narcissist guarantees frustration.
[–]BluepillProfessorMRP Mod 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Notice how the desperation of young men and boys is not even a consideration. The important thing is that they not be "incels" so that women will have a wider field to choose from.
I think women have two problems with men doing this. First, women view men talking about problems as weakness. Women do not want to see any form of imperfections, however slight, in men. Women have absolutely NO tolerance for men's problems. Second, women don't like it when men get together and exclude women for any reason. But women really don't like it when men get together to talk about problems, and they really really don't like it when men get together to talk about solving their own problems.
This is the truth. Men who gather together to discuss their problems are like the escaped slave bringing news of freedom to the plantation. Can't have those men think they have a chance of freedom!
[–]Bacon_Kitteh9001 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
>tfw a quick sorting by controversial shows that zoomers aren't buying OP's shit
[–]TheJoestarDescendant 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd call that kind of stuff "concern trolling" and I see it as an early sign of SJW infection. When a community starts censoring itself it's become easier for SJWs to infiltrate and later take over.
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Shame tactics and scare tactics. I let them both go when I walked away from religion and women.
Essentially, love is found by luck. There could be a force or principle that brings people together. It would be great if there is! However, since the religions/spiritualities saying this haven’t been able to prove it for thousands of years, and have rode on faith (believing something you have no reason to. Ex. Santa Claus or Leprechauns) it’s safe to say that it’s probably not true.
It was luck you walked into Dunkin Donuts for your coffee and bummed into a beautiful girl/guy and end up taking them on a date. There’s no reason to believe it was anything else. Love is a chemical set off by physical attraction. It drives humans to mate and keep us from extinction. If it happened for a reason, then rationally explain (no Disney/Princes Diaries/Harry Potter Magic examples!!) how and provide the evidence. At this point I’m sure many women would whip out that “hurt fee fee” card because I don’t blindly believe love is a mystical force like Jesus or Krishna. I don’t because no can prove that it is! Love isn’t bad at all, but it’s not an all pervasive, omnipresent supreme being.
People seem to dodge logical processes by labeling it “bitterness” or “negativity.” However, if they want to argue for mystical love and soulmates bound for each other, fine. The burden of proof is on you to show that! Personal experiences, like how you met your hubby at the Snort Palace “all you can eat wing night” isn’t proof. Anymore than someone finding Jesus in a tortilla or a waffle.
Put the Disney tapes back in the fiction section of your movie collection and stop using them as references to reality. Disney knows it’s all fantasy that’s why they make billions of dollars off it. They shouldn’t have to tell you that it’s not a reflection of the real world. We don’t call it suspending disbelief for nothing.
[–]kaldariaq 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I commented on that op. You cant stop guys from being frustrated. Labels only work for a little while until people get desensitized.
At this point i feel like incel is more of an insult than being called a nazi. That will fade as they try to come up with a new shameing word.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's over for frustrated teens./s
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Some people just shouldn't be in relationships.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
From the heart, thank you.
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Maybe if women dont want toxic men they shouldnt bang toxic men
[–]_Anarchon_ -5 points-4 points-3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Incels exist. It's counter-productive for the MGTOW community to pretend that they don't.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points (3 children) | Copy Link
MGTOW acknowledges incels exist for other people. The true monks out there don't give a shit. Since being incel requires you to give a shit if women find you attractive, and the defining principle of MGTOW is that the game is no longer being played, then for the most part incels don't exist for them.
No, it's not counterproductive to ensure a status that depends on women carries no real ties to the life of a man. It is counterproductive to say that some men who wish to guage their self worth on the basis of what women want cannot attain such status, but I think such a mentality is a rarity in the "community".
[–]_Anarchon_ 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
From what I understand, MGTOW isn't just about monks, or not playing the game, but also about protecting ones' self (i.e. not getting married, not having kids).
I see it as an umbrella term. There's guys that can't get chicks and want to, and guys that can get chicks but don't want to settle down with what modern woman is becoming. The guys that can't get chicks but want to (incels) often have themselves to blame for their inability...it's not just the women. I think it's important to keep that in mind. Any time you do away with self-responsibility, you become just as bad as them. When incels run around bitching about chicks, it gives everyone else ammo against the community.
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People are treated differently depending on attraction. It is undeniable. However, society is built upon the notion that you work hard and reap the bounty of the harvest and that means having agency for the well being of those that you protect.
But if those you are forced to contribute to their well being and provide for them are no longer required to see to your needs and actually considered elevated members of society possessing more rights as well as gynocentric favor, then you are being taken for granted and are a schmuck. I'm pretty pissed about that and I understand/empathize with my fellow brethren and countrymen.
And if my being pissed about this absurd problem and division amongst the people causes "more ammo" to be used against us then I say being out the big guns, make them fear my extradition from their enslavement machines. Let them know that we expose the deception and continue to bring our brothers from their swampy demise and aid those that stand for their own and allow no man or woman to take dominion over them.
[–]_Anarchon_ 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nothing you said had anything to do with guys that want chicks but can't get them.
Btw, you're describing problems with government...not even women.
[–]BlogginginvicecitySr. Hamster Analyst 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Truth, it's another form of the "just world" delusion.