The article no feminism wants you to read, and that they would try to get cancelled if they could. Essential MRA reading

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Lol clickbait title? Not really. Every word of that headline is true. Feminism really does not want you to read this and would ban it if possible. Link is below to the article if you just want to read that, but let me explain first before linking the article.

Let me give you the example of flat earth theorist. It is an example of a grand narrative that must be true at all costs. They actually have incredibly sophisticated explanations for contradictions to the theory e.g. why we dont just fall of the edge of the earth, or why does all the water not fall off, why has no one found the edge of the earth? They keep adapting to new evidence too to maintain the narratice. For example, now that new countries are going into space and private citizens will be too, and people can view the earths curve themselves, this goes against the old explanations that its only a few countries in space so its easy for them to collude and keep up the lie... so now they have new reasons why no one has exposed the hoax of earth being round to accommodate this change in technology.

Back to feminism:

We can view the world as a complex thing with many things going on. Two things can be true at the same time. MRAs now men and women have privileges and burdens. Women were oppressed and privileged in the past. As were men. There were many types of men and women.However, feminism relies on grand narratives and absolutes. This is a nuance feminism doesn't get. Its not that I disagree with feminism entirely. Its just that I disagree with their absolutism of their grand narratives. That they must exist in all situations. They also must explain all pheonemen. Now we know funny examples of this e.g. air conditioning is patriarchy, snow clearing is too, etc. but they apply this to everything

Feminism two main narratives are this

  1. Patriarchy: society is created by men specifically to oppress women and privilege men. (note male privilege female oppression is central). It is important to know this is the definition of patraichy. Don't let feminists do a slight of hand and say men ruled the world, look duh how can you say we dont live in patrichy? Well that isn't the definition of patriarchy, its a PARTIAL definition.

The sun is a thing

The sun is a thing in the sea

Statement 1 is true because it is so vague. Add some detail, e.g. statement 2 now it is false. If feminist are so vague and saying patchy means men held most positions of power, that is such a vague statement it holds little meaning and of course can be seen as true. However, remember patriarchy means all of society is run by men, work, home, politics you name it, AND TO OPRESS WOMEN AND PRIVILEGE MEN... don't let them get away with half a definition.

2) Misogyny - society has a hatred for women and is set up to hate them. This is pervasive

For feminism It has to be this way and these two grand narrative. No nuance. Anything that contradicts this narrative MUST be explained away.

So the fact that men made laws for women. to retire at 60 and men 65, that all money women make is their own but mens money is legally responsible for women by threat of jail or death even, that men are forced into war, 4 year old boys in chimneys but not girls, when salvery was made illegal by the then UN for everyone apart from MEN..... that doesn take away male privelge, that doesnt imply gynocentrism...no no that would RUIN the grand narrative 1 and 2.... no these things can be explained just as the flat earth theorist can explain their counter evidence away. These things are actually misogyny against women. These are actually male privelge. To die in war is male privilege.

Feminist define white privilege as white people enjoy privilege in the following so black people are oppressed. The only problem is this exact same list puts women as "privileged" in society and men as "oppressed"!!

Life expectancy - (women live 4 years longer in least country and 12 in most. Even within countries e.g. in UK the biggest gender gap Is 12 years [and in these boroughs women's health. care spending is higher than mens!!]

Violent victimisation (e.g. murder, assault, sexual assault) (men are in around 10x more likely to be murdered, more likely to be hate crime victim, killed by police, kidnapped, robbed etc the only way to spin women are most affected is to look at the one crime that affects them more e.g. some forms of sexual assault.

Police brutality and killing (95% male)

Educational attainment (I could give many stats lets just go with this. If every SINGLE male who applied to university in UK got a place, there would STILL be more women in UNI, in USA 2.5 million more women got college mer year, get $6 billion more in free Pell Grants, men higher dropout rates, exclusion rates, child detention, illiteracy rates, literacy gap etc)

Access to housing and healthcare - women access more healthcare. 9/10 leading causes of death male. Amazingly feminist have invented all sorts of mental gymnastics to say women are disadvantaged in healthcare... no of course they have issues, however healthcare massively privilege women. (https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ki89wa/the_myth_of_medicine_being_sex_biased_against/)

Incarceration and disparate sentencing (90% male incarceration rates, massive gender based bias in sentencing - https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2017/01/29/justice-system-discrimination-and-the-myth-that-sexism-against-men-isnt-institutional/)

Unemployment -

Death at work - 94% of deaths. Similar with all serious injuries too.

Of course this goes against the narrative completely. In order to maintain the grand narrative at all costs just as a flat earth theorist would. feminism must use GYMNASTICS like flat earth theorist to actually say, hey hey look its really women most affected, or that sexism against men men dying 94% thats still male privelge its just patriarchy "back firing" huh? The lengths are sometimes absurd. When feminists found out lesbian couples are more violent.... you'd think this would destroy the notion that DV is patriarchal and men oppressing women (when in fact it is usually mutual violence drugs, alcohol, family abuse in past etc) no this is no problem for the flat earth theorist sorry feminists - they said that the one lesbian partner is taking on the patricidal role of the man and oppressing the women like a man. A patriarchy means rule by father. In Saudia men get custody of kid (and full financial responsibility for which he will go to jail or be beaten if he neglects).... in the past that is what happened in west too... that is the definition of patriarchy - the LITERAL definition....ahhh no problem feminism can explain that away why women getting custody is still a patriarchy... well its patriarchy back firing and assuming women are better carers as thats the role they are put in.... the truth is that no men used to get custody a woman called Caroline Norton changed the law so women get custody in 19th century - this also goes against notion of patriarchy as it forgets that not only did a woman do this, women have done many such things.

Anyway, back to misogyny, this is another grand narrative. Of course a rational person will say, hey there is some misogyny, there is some very marked sexism towards women, gynocentrism and so on. Also many things you say are misogyny are not misogyny.

No no no feminism can't have that no no no.

Now for the psychology of why this is the case i.e. why feminist MUST believe in the grand narrative of patriarchy and no evidence will convice them otherwise, the pain is too much emotionally and the social costs to great for them to do so:

https://youtu.be/ybxba2UQSEU?t=1380

I have linked from 23 minutes for the specific point of why feminists can't accept this theory however, the whole video is good.

THE DAMN ARTICLE

So after all that, here is the damn article. The myth of pervasive misogyny. Excellent article that links to 30 studies that actually show misogyny is not widespread at all. In fact misogyny is rare and society in many ways is very biases towards women. This s the take normal person takes. Society is pro male, it is pro female in some ways, it has things agains women and against men. All these things can exist at the same time. And no no one grand narrative unites them. No Guardian, the iPhone is not misogynstic, glaciers and icebergs have nothing to do with patriarchy feminists professor.

https://quillette.com/2020/07/27/the-myth-of-pervasive-misogyny/

Excellent article.

EDIT: PART II:

Anyway feminist replied:

Of course, a culture that historically pressured men to be strong while infantilising women would lead to a society where more men are victims of violent crime, and women are more coddled in medical settings. This isn't groundbreaking.

Gotta keep that flat earth going 😂 why did chick cross the road? Cos of patriarchy. COVID? Paatrichy Financial Crisis? Patriarchy? Famine? Patriarchy. iPhone 7? Patriarchy (thats real feminist claim BTW)

To highlight how stupid such a catch all idea to explain all multi-varied complex phenomena is lets explain these same things feminism says patriarchy caused, and say misandry-archy caused it instead.... the ease at which you can do this shows how stupid and simplistic patarichy theory was in the first place.

MISANDRY-ARCHY

Your comment was initially a problem for me, it shot down my theory of misandry-archy existing.

However, thanks to my gender studies expertise. No worries, I have a solution. Here me out. Utilitarian sexism.

Misadnry-archy theory explains our entire society. In misadnry-archy theory society is shaped by the exploitation of men. Both men and women enforce this. This is due to a hatred of men (misandry) which views men only for their utility, whereas women are viewed as innately having value (this is demonstrated in experiments and of course real life and in policy where women are saved over men). Men are viewed only as utilitarian objects which must be exploited to maximise the benefit for society. This is done to privilege women (misdnry-archy allows to live easier comfortable lives, women higher life expectancy, they spend all the money [90% of consumer spending directly comes from or is controlled by women] better health, work less hours, only 6% of work deaths are female, women are far less likely to work outside, in extreme weather, at heights, at risk etc. men die in their hundreds of million in wars while women are exempt from service, forced male conscription is prevenaltn all over western developed nations but spares women). Although remember, misandry-archy actually harms women! Women are paid less, less represented as CEOs and presidents. This is misandry-archy back firing on women.

Men are oppressed under this system. Any benefits e.g. men in positions of power is actually just utilitarian sexism. I.e. men are given positions of power as under misandry-archy society exploits men for all their utility. They are just success objects. This actually harms men.

Evidence for utilitarian sexism includes the fact that men live 4 years (UK) to 12 (Russia) years less than women, 94% of work deaths, higher murder, suicide, rates, and so on.

Under misandry-archy all women are privileged, by exploiting mens labour. Of course individual women may be harmed e.g. women may not enter leadership roles and so on. This is misadnry-archy back firing on women. All men are oppressed under misandry-archy.... yes it is true individual men may appear have some benefits e.g. leadership roles, however this is utilitarian sexism viewing men as success objects, only useful for their benefit to society.

To help women we must end misadnry-archy. Fighting Misandry archy is for everyone

What utter bollocks, just like patriarchy and all feminist theory.

Next step in misandry-archy I create thousands of "gender studies" programmes and teach this in the curriculum to young impressionable men and women, who swallow up this raw shit (sound familiar? Im sure feminist have never done this right? Right Kate Millet? Sally Miller Gearhart, Dworkins?). I go on bra burning marches and post 1,000,000 articles covering this bullshit in guardian and other "respectable" sources to slowly drip feed society in buying this shit. Hmmm maybe I create a UN women department to teach this shit and spread it globally? Hmm maybe I infiltrate WEF, WHO etc with thousands of people from my gender studies course.

Hmm maybe by gender studies graduates can go into journalism, blogging, activism, law, politics, NGOs, charities and spread this bullshit patraichy erm sorry misadnry-archy theory all throughout the world. Hey maybe we can make this taught in English Literature, sociology, history, you know separate disciplines.... now infaltired by feminist patriarchy, or sorry I mean misandry-archy theory.

Rape:

Do you know why women are raped? rape is really misandry-archy. Men are viewed only as sexual beings who can't control themselves. To solve rape, we need to value male sexuality and end this horrible societal wide misandry. Especially to men of colour. MRA is intersectional. MRA wants to see a world free from sexual violence. Fight misandry-archy

For example, slut-shaming:

Slut-shaming happens to women because men’s sexuality is seen as dirty and demeaning to them. Men’s rights activists are very much against that. If we were all MRAs slut shaming would not exist.

Child-care:

The reason we expect women to care for children is that we don’t trust men doing it. It’s really just misandry working against women. This is why society needs to end misandry-archy

The earnings gap:

Women make less money than men because we of misandry-archy. Society has a deep hatred for men and doesn’t see men as having worth outside of providing money to others, and so we encourage men to work longer hours, take longer commutes, set aside their passions, etc.

Objectification:

Women are only treated as sex objects because their sexuality is seen as so valuable and desirable. It’s an advantage for women (disadvantage for men) Its a case of Misandrdy-archy sometimes backfireing and affecting women too. It’s like a rockstar who’s so famous and loved for their music that they have a hard time getting people to pay attention to their other endeavours, like visual art.

Covering-up in very religious societies:

Women are expected to cover up in places of Saudi Arabia because of the idea that men don’t have any self-control. Fix the misandry and it’ll help women. Misandry-archy hurts women too

Credit to https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/08/06/a-non-feminist-faq/ I have heavily based these off his examples of gender flipping: https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2017/07/16/trickle-down-equality-and-framing-mens-issues-as-really-being-about-women/

Ironically despite me describing how patriarchy theory was a catch all conspiracy theory that could explain all things, i.e. complex phenomenon caused by myriad things with one stupid explanation "ITS COS THE PATRIARCHY', the feminists replied by explaining how many unrelated issues are actually as simple as being due to patriarchy. Ironically proving the point lol 😂 I likened this to how flat earth theory people have very sophisticated reasons for why the new evidence that pops up e.g. pictures of earth from space DONT disprove patriarchy theory.

I made a list of all 8 things feminism use as a lists to call black people oppressed and white privileged... so FEMINIST material... not weird shit made up by me, but THEIR tools, , FEMINISM own list... using those 8 criteria, it actually shows women, all women especially white women are privileged and men especially black men are oppressed.

Now I said, I dont believe in this oppressed privileged simplistic model, but im using feminist theory here, so I will work with it... according to feminism theory women are not oppressors so to speak, not at all, however they are highly privileged and men are oppressed. THIS DESTORYS patriarchy theory and we can't have that!!

Of course.... NO PROBELM... feminise has an answer like flat earth theory solves problems that refute facts earth is round... feminism has an answer. Well the first one is just dont talk about female privilege and keep saying men are privelged to distract the issue. Also use the apex fallacy. Look at top 0.01% men e.g. CEOs and say that is all men even though stats are showing men, are by feminist terms "oppressed" in that 8 item checklist

Thats one strategy, the problem with this is eventually people will mention homless men, and life expectancy... I mean to an extent you can downplay this by falsely claiming more women are homeless... but life expectancy is hard (dont get me wrong feminist try though... feminist at UN in the gender equality index under health they knew it would show men as disadvantaged so guess what they did? They made it so women have to live 6% longer than men, if women only live 5% longer that is actually sexism against women! FUCK the gymasnstics)

Other strategy is to say actually all those things are "patriarchy backfiring" and actually due to male privilege.... yeah men die younger.... yeah misogyny. And the other usual ones men are homeless because misogyny, women better healthcare spending or life eepxnzactancy because misogyny and benevolent sexism (although feminist also at other times claims sexism in healthcare, they struggle with life expectancy but do try to dodge it)