How to deal with white knights at the club/bar?

Blue-Raft · 2020-03-03T04:28:41+00:00

“I think I might have upset your boyfriend.”

This does it most of the time.

Zanford · 2020-03-03T06:36:43+00:00

A favorite line of classic pua was to refer to him as 'your boyfriend' to the girl, which will cause her to protest 'teehee he's just a friend' (and step or turn away from him), which of course will crush his ego and his soybean-nuts. Meanwhile it helps set the right frame with the girl b/c she's establishing that she's likely single. It also works as a false disqualifier / self-disqualifier (as if were assuming she was 'taken' and now she's having to assure you that she's available).

The top post suggest 'I think I might have upset your boyfriend' is especially good b/c you call him out as emotional ('upset').

The important thing is to (EDIT to not post without finishing my fucking sentence:) not act overly ruffled by the guy. Treat it like a proxy- / third-party- / accidental- shit test or accidental shit test (sometimes it will be deliberate with the girl nudging her orbiter to white knight)

throwaway90091234 · 2020-03-03T07:25:03+00:00

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howigotin · 2020-03-03T07:16:27+00:00

you've been gyming so you could have taken on 5 guys by yourself huh? trying to take on a group of people alone could get you killed. Don't be out there thinking this is some kung fu movie where they come at you one at a time lol.

beingamannotadayjob · 2020-03-03T06:39:48+00:00

I usually mock them for thinking that a girl can’t protect herself. I used to say something line:

“Come on, man. It’s 2020, a girl can talk for herself.”

I just make her my friend and them her enemies who try to own her, worked most of the times.

If she is with another man, I ask her: “Are you guys dating?”

If she says No, then I completely ignore the dude and talk exclusively to her.

lil-sparky · 2020-03-03T06:32:42+00:00

You are seeing good responses here. People that are suggesting you make jokes at his expense that get the girl to point out this guy is not that close to her are on the money. The white knight will put on a mask of virtue, act as though they have only the well being of the girl in heart and all you have to do is shit test that. The white knights can’t survive shit tests from other girls, that’s why they are white knights. When white knights supposedly give power in the convo to girl they are really just wanting it for themselves, so when you joke saying ‘I see I have upset your boyfriend’ this causes her to really pull all power away from him. Then you can question his involvement in the convo a little tongue and cheek, just like he has always questioned his involvement with attractive women. If his supposed purpose of being their is stripped bare, you are in a much better position to get him to shew himself away. The key is to get his done early enough, so that a scene can be avoided. Gl on your next encounter.

theUnBannableHulk · 2020-03-03T06:02:12+00:00

Get jacked. White knights will phuck off if you look intimidating

juliusstreicher · 2020-03-03T08:00:30+00:00

If a chick throws water in your face, do not track her down to make her explain herself.

Zanford · 2020-03-03T06:32:56+00:00

Harsh reality is you can either just keep putting up with it or bail and not bother. They aren't going away, so whenever white knights appear you can either argue with them and put them down or just walk away. Me, I'd just walk away and try somewhere else. Up to you, though.

Also, be careful with the gym giving you fighting confidence. Lots of gym rats get their asses kicked by weaker guys who know how to fight. Experience > strength every time, and you never know who does and doesn't know how to fight when you're dealing with strangers. Also fighting multiple people at once on your own is a losing game, I don't care what you've seen people manage to do on YouTube. If you're in a crowded place with alcohol and the guys have you singled out as a woman harrasser, you are probably going to have multiple people join in to help the guy who starts fighting you, and the women around you will throw a few punches and drinks in too, and the whole community will band together against you and you'll be totally humiliated. I know it's unfair but you've got to think a few steps ahead bro.

SavorThePill · 2020-03-03T06:59:37+00:00

That's the club game for ya. I'm sure it's worse if you're in a town full of lefty spergs. I don't want to be the "be careful now" guy, but shit like the 5 knights thing can get out of hand. It's not the knights you need to worry about, but on-edge bouncers who jump to conclusions and assume you're causing trouble.

The bouncers in my town wreck shit. 2 or 3 guys were literally killed by the bouncers at one of the bars here. If not death though, they just seriously beat the shit out of people around here.

ABGsGoneWild · 2020-03-03T07:48:23+00:00

Shit happens all the time - the clubs/bars are contaminated with a lot of white knights/thirsty orbiters.

Just remember, she’s not worth the argument or fight - just walk away it’s not worth the extra effort most especially since it’s easy to pick up girls.

If it escalates though, I’d just bounce and gtfo - I agree that fighting against 5 people as 1 dude no matter how trained you are in self-defense is still against you.

Lastly, even if you win in a fight, it’s still a hassle if security and the cops show up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

triiiiiple · 2020-03-03T08:51:43+00:00

Please just don't think you can fight because you're going to the gym. You might end up in a hospital if you'll lose control once.

SteveSan82 · 2020-03-03T10:36:52+00:00

Working out has nothing to do with fighting ability. I workout 5 to 6 days a week and know very well that a skinny boxer or skinny mma fighter could easily kick my ass

newyearzz2020 · 2020-03-03T09:39:14+00:00

Don’t try to fight 5 dudes at once. No matter how big you are or if you are a black belt, you will get your ass kicked. Life isn’t a Jackie Chan movie.

Ask her if it’s her boyfriend. If she says yes, then shes not interested in you. If she says no, then the guy will run away with his tail tucked between his legs and you’ll be good to go

griz3lda · 2020-03-03T11:51:02+00:00

They may be white knights, but it sounds like you're making a spectacle of yourself in a bad way-- running after a chick "who you rejected" trying to get her to talk to you, girls "shit testing" you so hard and loud that tons of dudes take notice and she welcomes them cockblocking you? Honestly it does sound like you're a creep man.

laserdicks · 2020-03-03T07:55:37+00:00

seem to be distressed

Hol up. Are they distressed?

Many guys will surround me threatening me

This is looking less and less likely that you're interpreting actual protest as such. One or two white nights? Maybe. A whole crowd? Where does that come from?

throws a cup of water at my face (unprovoked)

Something you did convinced this 4 that her throwing a cup of water at your face was justifiable in the eyes of the public. Absolutely she wanted attention. But you still volunteered as the excuse for her to get it.

Make her explain herself

Nooooooooooooo. When they say "she's a girl" they're saying "she gets a free pass, and we're siding with her". You can only come out of that situation looking weak or guilty. Regardless of the truth of either.

It just makes me look like a creep

Absolutely correct. I'm just a guy on the internet. I have no context for your side of the story and obviously wasn't there. But there are two possibilities here. One is that you actually do make these girls feel uncomfortable. Consider that. Make damn sure that it isn't the case. Two, is that something in your manner is giving these simps the feeling of justification to rescue these girls. That shouldn't be happening. A girl will find a way to get with you if it's her desire.

Women break rules for alphas. They make rules for betas.

Conclusion

Clubs suck, and friends at the age of 19 tend to suck a bit too. Everyone in this thread is making assumptions in order to give you a judgement on the scenario without context, so instead I'll offer this:

A whitty comeback wont help because by that stage you've already lost and it's seen as loser's poor sportsmanship.

Here's my advice instead:

read the sidebar (again)
consider both push AND pull
you can only pull if you're in the top 5% of the currently available selection pool
don't misread a negative response as a shit test.

lolomotif12 · 2020-03-03T08:53:28+00:00

Also start doing MMA, Muay thai or jiujitsu. Going gym alone doesnt mean you can fight. It will help you defend yourself in instances like this if things kick off also it will raise your confidence and combine that with being jacked whitenknights will be intimidated to even approach you!

Velebit · 2020-03-03T09:19:48+00:00

You probably have an untrustworthy face or a combative body language. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3447811/Why-judge-book-cover-People-tell-trustworthy-looking-face.html

There is actualy use of a technology based on this in China. Due to sheer number of faces and cameras and effort by government to make easy profiling of citizens they have recognized small but noticable differences that faces show about a persons character.

https://youtu.be/FaW3bvsqLjA

furtadoferrod · 2020-03-03T08:53:38+00:00

"ive been gymming for a while now so i know i could take them on in a fight"

The others are white knights and you are a creep.

FuckingConfirmed · 2020-03-03T11:34:53+00:00

" ive been gymming for a while now so i know i could take them on in a fight, but obvioussly i walked away, aint gonna fight for any girl." fuck me mate...

RedDeAngelo · 2020-03-03T11:52:02+00:00

is this what the American college scene is like.

Wow that is wild..

KillaJewels · 2020-03-03T12:03:51+00:00

I am now considered attractive and have a 'no fucks given' attitude, securing hook ups at clubs or kisses.

Lol you are missing the point young Padawan.

The way you deal with anyone interrupting your set is you IGNORE them and continue talking as if they're not there, no matter what.

amwfhunter · 2020-03-03T16:03:52+00:00

Why would u risk your ass for a 4/10 fat girl you rejected?

sebastianconcept · 2020-03-03T12:39:49+00:00

Too toxic. There are places that are contaminated beyond a point of no return. Why insist there instead of going to a better place?

pyth0ns · 2020-03-03T13:17:40+00:00

"I've been gymming for a while now" -just because you gym, does not make you Ivan Drago!

Remove that mentality asap, before you catch an ass whooping that leaves you perm disfigured.

roman99789 · 2020-03-03T14:21:42+00:00

I will approach a hot girl and she will give shit tests to which I will try and overcome. As I am doing so, a fat simp will come through with 'Hey Leave her alone, shes a girl'

It sounds like you are making a scene somehow. Are you raising your voice?

PRW63 · 2020-03-03T15:27:00+00:00

The White Knights:

Ignore them
Be a little more tackful so that they aren't as easily aware of what you are doing. You just don't do stuff right in front of the their face. It is called being strategic.

[she] throws a cup of water at my face ......Now, I go after her to make her explain herself,

Stupid thing to do. You're asking for it. You never "confront" a chick and ask her to explain herself,...that is just stupid. If she throws water in your face then your game sucks,...if your game is good she won't even be aware of it. Be glad it wasn't a Bouncer. They are PAID to be White Knights. The "hot chicks" are what bring in the money for the place,...they are a protected commodity from a business perspective. The Bouncer can boot all the guys out the door he wants and the chicks will just draw more in.

I feel like my frame is broken when shit like this happens because it just makes me look like a creep when I clearly am not. does anyone have any clever replies ot these beta fuckers?

Your frame is broken because you aren't as good at it as you think you are. Bad game makes you creepy,...so you come across as creepy to me just from reading what you wrote. You are 19,...I'm 57,...I have waaaaayyy more experienced than you are. If you had it all together you would be putting a little effort into helping your fellow men you call "beta fuckers" and be making them your ally and gaining their respect. Then they start trying to learn from you and respect you.

2020-03-03T15:32:30+00:00

Tell them to mind their own business. I have a hard time believing you when these things happen. Imo a girl will side with you if this happens, from the sounds of it you are a creep.

From my experience these guys fail miserably when I'm hitting on a girl because the girl makes it clear to them that she is safe. If it's anything other than that, it tends to mean you're a fuckin weirdo and don't know how to read social ques.

Taipoe · 2020-03-03T15:48:23+00:00

Just ask if the guys is her boyfriend and then watch their balls shrivel up inside of them to the size of a raisin

2020-03-03T17:12:23+00:00

This is why picking up girls at clubs / bars sucks bad, either white knights or her male/female friends cock blocking you at every opportunity

PureFlames · 2020-03-03T17:16:30+00:00

I still cant comprehend why people like you and other people care so much about “kissing” and “hooking up” with random hoes at clubs and bars. Why put in effort to fuck so many random thots, its almost disgusting.

Thefreeman911 · 2020-03-03T17:45:24+00:00

Had a familiar situation happen to me. The girl ended up apologizing about her "friend" and than started complaining about his height. I had no time for a shallow bitch so I just turned and walked away.

2020-03-03T18:33:40+00:00

I don’t get it, how do you even get in trouble with them?! If she wants to talk to you, she’s gonna ditch them. So approach her, talk to her, and if the white knight comes up, walk around him and keep talking to her. If they keep getting in your way, the girl will come to you. If she doesn’t, I generally conclude this: My game wasn’t good enough, so eject.

i-am-the-prize · 2020-03-03T20:38:26+00:00

Years ago, I was at an old Disney (yes Disney) based club in an adults only park called Pleasure Island. I was in the clubbiest of the bars, a club with a rotating dance floor. I was flirting/dancing with a pair of chicks when their fat friend showed up. She kept trying to edge in on me, and I kept blading away from her and focusing on her better looking friends. She kept getting more aggressive. So I walked off the rotating floor to what I thought was "my bar" Nope, wrong side of the room. She followed me off and pointed and yelled something unintelligible and 4 guys surrounded me. Nothing special, just 4 normal dudes. I could take 1, 2 for sure, but not 4, too many for good odds. She kept yelling and pointing and they circled around me. For all I know she was accusing me of grabbing her pussy, but I knew she was just butthurt because I wasn't going hogging that night with her.

I looked at the 4 guys, 3 of them much shorter than me (i'm only 5'11" so these were not big dudes) and asked loudly: "where are the 3 other gay dwarfs or did Snow White over there eat them?" 2 of them laughed, 2 looked confused, and I walked away.

Most white knights are fucking losers, that's why they WhiteKnight. Treat them as such.

philipzeplin · 2020-03-06T16:43:28+00:00

Dude, if the girl has 5 guys hanging around her threatening you, maaaaaaaaaaayyyyybbeee you need to chill out. I have literally never experienced, nor seen that. If that is something you feel happens regularly, the problem is how you act.

There's several things in your post that stands out weird...

Now, over the last few months I have worked a lot on my SMV, and I have drastically changed as a person. I am 19. I am now considered attractive and have a 'no fucks given' attitude, securing hook ups at clubs or kisses.

Cringe as fuck, man.

ive been gymming for a while now so i know i could take them on in a fight

Your head is so far up your own ass you should be tasting the shit on your tongue. Huge. Fucking. Lol.

I feel like my frame is broken when shit like this happpens because it just makes me look like a creep when I clearly am not.

You don't decide what's creepy. The other person does. You can still be a creep, even if you don't feel like one. I don't think ANY creep FEELS like a creep.

If you're in situations where this constantly happens to you. Where several guys constantly intervene. If you're chasing around women in a club, and 5 dudes have to come up and stop you (and your answer is "I could take them! I've worked out for a few months!"). Then maybe, just maybe, the problem is how you're acting.

mrsmiley831 · 2020-03-03T04:30:57+00:00

The beta orbiters are just obstacles, and everytime you open a set you have to disarm the obstacle(s) by negging the girl. If the guys don't get the impression you're hitting on her, they'll have no reason to white knight and cock block you.

Domebeers · 2020-03-03T17:27:23+00:00

You look at them (like they are short), look back to the girl, you smirk at the girl, and go "your husband seems mad, I'll let you two chat" laugh and walk away. She'll find you in a little bit. What you want to convey is that the guy is a goober and she can hang out with him if she wants, which she won't want to do.

Another line I use, and I think every guy should have this in his tool kit, is to say "So how do you guys know each other?" Works to scout out mixed sets, and in this case it's a subtle shiv - lowers his value as he is being 'nice' and 'protecting' a women he doesn't know, which in that setting generally turns women off (unless you are being actually creepy).

If a women throws water in your face unprovoked that's amazing social proof. Women will notice the drama. Take the W. You look like a dweeb if you go after her to 'talk'. Don't do that. And bro lets not go crazy, you aren't going to fight 5 guys at the club and win, don't delude yourself. Good way to get stabbed.

Title	How to deal with white knights at the club/bar?
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Date	March 3, 2020 4:11 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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