I seem to be attracting post wall women exclusively

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March 6, 2020

I have been looking to internalize the RP and have started cold approaching .

In clubs/bars , So far I have approached around 50-60 girls in the last month( I know not so great a number ) , made it a point to make sure that all of them were in early-mid 20s.

Have fucked only two (one a 20 year old hb7 and other a hot and fit hb7-8 33 year old , both of them approached me )

However, I have noticed that all the number of times I have been approached( 5) , 4 of them were post wall 30+ years old women. I have also noticed that girls my own age(22) I come across, give on average (only around 30-40% of them), less IOIs compared to the MILF types , (around 80-90% of them ).

Any specific reason why this might be ?

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Title I seem to be attracting post wall women exclusively
Author SoaringEagle11_11
Upvotes 107
Comments 50
Date 06 March 2020 04:40 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/352692
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/feg3wj/i_seem_to_be_attracting_post_wall_women/
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[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill115 points116 points  (16 children) | Copy

You've closed the deal exactly twice...

If this were sales we'd talk about sales funnel, prospects and deals closed. So your funnel had a wide range of possibilities but contained customers who are less than ideal. But you did close on 2, customers.

What worked on those 2 that worked well? Do that more. What works on the post wall chicks? Do that less. What are you doing with your target that isn't working? Do that less.

I'm an older dude, and can say that girls post wall tend to be more jaded. They are used to fending for themselves and will advocate for themselves. Younger chick tend to still have a lot of ASD and plain old insecurity. So work on that angle. Play up your strengths, downplay weekness. Practice and review. Every skill takes repetition.

[–]SoaringEagle11_11[S] 21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

The times I failed to convert, was when the girl herself was boring/shy or wasn't interested from the beginning. I had to carry the conversation by myself in all of those cases and then gave up when I got bored or felt that I had invested enough .

The ones who responded positively gave out shit tests and probably my frame broke somewhere.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

See this is great information right?

You know why the Nigerian prince scam works so well? It's self filtering. People who aren't going to fall for it, immediately reject it. But the 1 in 1000 that do fall for it are in.

Girls that are disinterested or shy? They are self filtering. Try one or two opens, and then move on. Try to get to shit test immediately if that's what works for you. You want girls to do the work for you so that when there is a connection it's easy and apparent on your side. The PUA guys have some good stuff for sets and the like.

Everyone salesmen has an ideal customer. You want to find that ideal, and quickly eject the ones that aren't.

[–]Ill_mumble_that2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone salesmen has an ideal customer.

With experience that demographic really expands. But no matter how good you are, there will always be people that you can't connect with and it's best to filter them out as fast as possible.

[–]pollodustino1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the Pareto Principle at work. Eighty percent of people will either like or tolerate you, and twenty percent will hate you no matter what.

You just have to find and cultivate the few in that eighty percent who really love you.

[–]DF-RP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be careful that you don't fall into the excuse of "it was them, not me". Girls tend to just reflect back your attractiveness. If you are attrative to them, they will do everything they can to entertain you, but if you are not on their radar they'll be disinterested and bored.

But yeah, some girls obviously are just not interesting to shoot shit with.

[–]mrpoopistan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The times I failed to convert, was when the girl herself was boring/shy or wasn't interested from the beginning.

One of the big differences between younger and older women is that the older women who are still single tend to be looking for a fun vibe in a guy. There's a good chance they're picking up that signal.

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]BusterVadge8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love sales analogies... Just about everything in PU can be related to sales. All the guys here could benefit from some kind of sales training or even a career in selling.

[–]JosephBosa6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Less is more with younger girls. More is better for older I found. By “more” I mean more conversation.

[–]pilot3334 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Younger chick tend to still have a lot of ASD and plain old insecurity. So work on that angle.

Can you recommend some further reading material on this?

[–]i-am-the-prize4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

the PUA classics like The Game and Book of Pook discuss awalt and asd.

have you read The Natural by La Ruina?

[–]pilot3331 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’ve read the game before i got into red pill and now reading pook for a second time because i’ve forgot much.

i have not read the natural. good?

[–]i-am-the-prize2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

i have not read the natural. good?

yes. worth it.

[–]RPDream1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for recommending the natural. I liked it!

[–]mikkeldaman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Off-topic, but... wow... you are so insightful and take your time to actually help people that ask questions (just to be clear, this is not sarcasm). You are one of the few people who hang around here that deserves their TRP Endorsed tag. Hope you have a great weekend!

[–]RedSkeller31 points32 points  (8 children) | Copy

It's almost always appearance based. I don't know what you look like and I'm not trying to be insulting, but you're probably either older looking for your age or look more like a provider type than anything else. Post wall women are calibrated to seek out guys they can get under their thumb easily and are put off by fuck boi types (typically). Anytime you notice yourself attracting a certain type it's based off of your appearance and style.

[–]SoaringEagle11_11[S] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

I have a suspicion I give out very BB vibes, so you might not be very much off the mark here...

Any remedies ?

[–]RedSkeller17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quit dressing like a dad, go to an actual stylist get a good haircut and stop going to great clips, get a bit of an edge somehow. Without any details those are my best guesses.

[–]i-am-the-prize8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

the older women may see you approaching and getting rejected by the younger ones, and then they swoop in. older chicks are more direct and glad for a younger/harder body than their ex husband.

it's not bad practice, and older chicks can teach you some shit when you're early 20's... (I know it's not RP to lay older chicks, but a hot woman is hot if she's fit and nice face)

anyways, you're 22. a 22yr old girl may be more attracted to an older guy than you. I am not surprised of your FR based on the ages of them and you.

so, max on what a 22 yr old should be, are you ripped (sub 12% BF?) are you muscular? are you athletic? are you fashionable? these are all 'fixable' traits...

[–]SoaringEagle11_11[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't believe my facial features are what's holding me back(girls hav positively commented on my face and beard). I am thin (a bit on the skinnier side) but have naturally broad shoulders and a thin waist. Not ripped , but have very noticeable muscle definition . Not much fat so far

I have been lifting and have seen my first gains. And they have all come on my lats/shoulders, so my V taper can be seen somewhat.

I dress somewhat fashionably.

It's my game. My Game sucks poodle ass. Can't seem to steer the conversation unless the girl herself is leading.

[–]i-am-the-prize8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can't seem to steer the conversation unless the girl herself is leading.

good news, it's fixable. try "the natural" by Richard la Ruina. I like it for the practical advice in it. you're tall and a man and good looking you should be leading them around by their nipples.

they /want/ you to lead. You need to read this twice:


my fav part:

Faint Heart Never Fucked Fair Lady

-From “The Sayings of Chairman Zaitzev”

What happens if she tells you she has a boyfriend? What happens if she yells, “NO!” at you? What happens if she’s bitchy after a bad day?

Nothing. That’s what happens. Nothing. And that’s not even the worst thing that can happen.

If she rejects you, simply say “Ok” and move on. If she’s really obnoxious it’s ok to say, ”I apologize; I mistook you for a lady,” and turn on your heel and withdraw. It will leave her sputtering. But only do this if she has it coming.

Women expect to be approached. They hope for it. Maybe not by you, but, yes, maybe by you. There is only one way to find out. Societal expectations are actually on your side in this. Why don’t you? Because you are AFRAID? Afraid of what? Some half-naked creature that’s half your size? Approach, chat her up, and be clear about your intentions. If she wants to be your friend, that’s fine, but it’s a rejection, so move on. You were fine before, and you will be fine after. Don’t worry about it.

So what is the worst thing that can happen?

[–]pollodustino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm getting a 403 error on that link. Do you have another source? Thank you.

[–]amrit21chandi3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've found out dressing either very sharp/classy or cool casuals make seem dominant/authoritarian or confident etc.

[–]thefkk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can you help me out with this? I am doing ok with women but I always get troubles ruminating about these things and I don’t want it. I constantly question wether I should change things in my appearance to look younger or to look more alternative as these are the type of women I also like etc.
I can never rest. I want to give zero fucks and just be the way I am but as you said it’s appearance based so it matters.

(I am 26 but I am kind of very masculine and my hairs is graying already so it’s not uncommon for women to think i am 30)

[–]Nastynatee19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

This isnt you this is how women behave at certain ages. Ofcourse 20 somethings arent gonna be as aggressive as 30+. Women over 30+ or post wall have to be more aggressive then there younger counterparts bcuz they're not as desirable.

[–]dawsonthedawg2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

regardless, they all like ham

[–]Gordon-G2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

💰 💵

[–]Nastynatee0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Bro.... we know eachother from that other sub huh lol

[–]dawsonthedawg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

lmao i always see you there i was like whaatt when i saw it in here

[–]kbterps35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re probably not attractive enough / game not good enough. Post wall bitches are far more desperate and therefore more likely to succumb to you.

Edit: YET. Not trying to be toxic.

[–]oldrunnerguy6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Epiphany phase women. Way back in the 80's when I was in my early 20s, most of my long-term girlfriends that I slept with were older. They are just trying to shore up their long-term provider while they still have some sexual market value. I wish I had understood the full dynamic of women's sexual strategy way back then. Good luck.

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

thats actually not a bad ratio, 50 approaches usually gets filtered down to like 5-8 phone numbers which gets filtered down to maybe 1

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

not for chad tho

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

um who cares?

[–]mraees936 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tbh ur smv isn't high enough for girls ur age. When young they mostly go for looks first.

[–]MisterMarbles19884 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP will be getting early 20’s girls when he is 27-35.

[–]mraees933 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If he increases his smv yes

[–]mr4kino5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, you are 22. So you are not yet "interesting".

Older women are desperate so it's different.

Edit: when I say interesting I mean if you compare yourself to a 30 yo man, with probably much more money than you and everything that comes with it, then yes you can't compete.

[–]spcparks8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are only 20. Girls your age are smashing guys like me (34). Just take it easy and keep learning and with age you will have a bigger pool of woman to choose from

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I say, get ripped, and when you’re that hot, they’ll come to you. Let them chase you.

[–]DF-RP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Echo some of the other guys - it's more of the women's strategy than you. Post wall take what they can get, have to play more aggressive and also have more experience of being aggressive. Young HBs can just wait for the hottest chad to come for them, but that doesn't work post wall. They need to hunt themselves.

[–]weaselingthroughlife2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wanna know they can still pull a young guy I imagine.

[–]Studyr3ddit0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

whats post wall?

[–]Gordon-G0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Past 25 roughly ... looks deteriorate, fat starts forming, they accumulate all sorts of baggage ...

[–]Spets872 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

25? That's the twilight. 30+ is post wall

[–]Gordon-G-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]ErectileDistention0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Attractive guys their own age don't want to fuck them. Attractive younger guys are not interested. That leaves unattractive guys their own age or less attractive younger guys. The less attractive younger guys stroke their ego making them feel younger, so they will happily ignore a lot of akwardness.

[–]learning00070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Low SMV, lift and Read the sidebar

[–]Drainstink0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

2 possibilities: You are passive and only noticing them as they are more forward. they have less options so have to be. Young women dont have to make any effort, they get the best from existing. So if you are not being proactive then no shit you are only attracting post wallers.

second is you give major BB vibes. maybe you are a little dorky but wear expensive clothes etc.

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