How recent are some of the trends that caused theredpill?

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February 18, 2013

I'm curious about these trends. I know that The Red Pill is regarding a basic truth from evolution that hasn't changed, but the social climate has. We went from a society of marriage and more faithfulness, to a society where women have publicly terrible personalities.

Now, the factors of the red pill and female hypergamy have never changed, but the forces in our society certainly have, and feminism was definitely one of the driving catalysts for these changes.

My question is.. is it just me, or have a bulk of these changes been really really recent?

I know that having this forum lets gives us a bit of a selection bias, but hear me out..

In my younger years, I was blue pill for sure, but it didn't seem like much was driving me to the red pill. The girls I'd hook up with during that time were feminine and polite. Sure I got cheated on, which began my transformation, but even then, she had outwardly feminine qualities, not like the man-women filling bars today.

So my question is, has the attitude of women gotten noticeably worse recently? Or have I just managed to walk a statistical fence for the beginning of the last decade?

You can read my latest foray with a fembitch here:

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Title How recent are some of the trends that caused theredpill?
Author redpillschool
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Comments 31
Date 18 February 2013 03:09 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (15 children) | Copy

Feminism crushed fathers and sons, which allowed women's hypergamy to run wild since the 60's. Technology has advanced modern civilization to the point where women don't really need men for anything, and has also spawned the demon known as social media which has inflated women's egos to extremely unrealistic levels. This has also allowed all the downtrodden Omega males easy access to e-creep on women, further raising their bitch shields, making it harder for the more well adjusted men to do their jobs. While this is not a political sub I don't think our current President's negative impact can be ignored either. Porn is also a huge factor as more and more men suffer performance issues from porn addiction. All of this has led to the demise of marriage because of the higher divorce rate, and this also does not set any positive examples of healthy relationships. No one knows what the fuck they're doing or how to treat each other so you have today's mess. It is all this huge fucking vicious cycle of failure across the board and I see no remedy other than collapse. Welcome to "progress."

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

That actually explains something major. I've noticed the average level of game required has increased since 2000, and I think facebook is a good place to start looking for why this current trend is happening.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy

Yes, and even though I fucking despise social media I do see myself adapting and creating one once I'm at a maintenance phase in my self-improvement plan. With how celebrity obsessed our culture is you are now basically required to turn yourself into a pseudo-celebrity with some well designed social engineering if you want access to the top shelf trim.

[–]rkg-pua 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Conforming to what females want out of you is the epitome of blue-pill logic, though. Id be careful with your line of thought. Social media is largely something children and women do, not "alpha" men.

Anecdotally, Ive pulled much higher tail from eliminating my facebook altogether (and it is also easier to spin more plates).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's debatable. I always had a natural aversion to social media until I realized it is simply a tool. A tool which can get you laid, hired, or befriended if used properly. I do not see it as conforming, merely adapting to the social climate of today. Many women use it as a way to social proof you, and if I have a space on the internet which is crushing shit tests for me with little to no work I view that as a net positive.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed. I had ditched it for a long while, then started an account for access to a private music group. Then I realized that women were taking interest in my nonsense (intelligent-creative), and I managed to score through finding receptive women. At times I feel like I have some reverse orbiter thing going on, with girls going through my stuff consistently and then being easy to pick up.

Never thought it'd be useful, and not why I went there in the first place, but I'll be damned if I don't continue to tweak it to my benefit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see your point, however, I had a accusation from a girl that I had spiked her drink last year and not having Facebook and an online presence meant I was much safer from this crazy girl. It's the only time I have been happy to have not pulled the ONS...

The risks are there. I think the fake identity route is one way around it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

So don't brush your teeth or wash your ass. Fuck conformity.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

This is a topic that I honestly don't think we've really approached yet. Fucking brilliant. Any ideas on method for this?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've only done preliminary planning in my head but essentially I am going to tastefully showcase my traditionally masculine lifestyle once I am fully living it. Modern teenagers and 20something men use the #YOLOSWAG420ERRYDAYHIPHOP style and if that is your personality, feel free. Personally I'm more of a James Bond type and will be getting Glamour ShotsTM taken in traditional masculine style. Women are even more shallow than men so your initial impression from pictures is tantamount to success. Beyond that I am going old school: Eat meat, lift weights, listen to Frank Sinatra, smoke cigars, carry sharp things and things that go boom, ride motorcycles, learn how to box, shave with a straight razor, speak and carry yourself like a domineering professional, etc. Fuck the trends I am going to be a walking time capsule to the 50's. I will be so far removed from what's "popular" that I will in fact become popular. How could a woman not gush about all your interesting and manly hobbies at every turn? You will turn these hens into your own private marketing firm. The internet is an amazing tool once you realize that you are in fact a brand, and you need to market said brand to your consumers. My hypothesis is that there will be such a void in honest masculinity with younger women they won't know what to do. First they'll deny it, label me an asshole, etc. but eventually they won't be able to help themselves. I'll be the father they never had and they will be screaming daddy before they know what hit'em. Now that I've fully converted to The Red PillTM my provider conditioning will not kick in once a "relationship" has been established. I'll spin 2-3 plates at all times without being malicious as I will not be a hypocrite and break hearts just because mine has been broken several times.

[–]logicalmisologist4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is beautiful. I'm taking a page out of your book and revamping my social media presence.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Finding a niche works. If you can produce something another mind wants to consume, you'll get fans; those fans are easier to game. So, generally, thoughts, writing, arts, or a display of skills or traits desired.

[–]WeaknessIntoVirtue2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's it folks thread is done.

[–][deleted] -1 points-1 points | Copy

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely, the more and more wealth that is accumulated by the generation before them means the less and less they need to work. It is understandable to a degree, a "good" parent doesn't want their child to suffer like they did so they break their backs providing a better lifestyle. The unintended consequence, however, is that this child knows nothing else. They have never struggled, they have never found their inner source of strength which defines character in each of us. They were awarded 8th place medals and they were never told no. They grow up to be the self-entitled twats that populate Reddit, etc. Society is now tasked with raising adult sized children and this eventually leads to the extreme left's goal of socialism.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

They're not recent. The biological imperative has always existed but was tempered by society's collective "tsk tsk".

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

The laws of physics haven't changed, no, but the landscape is always changing.

I've noticed a remarkable difference in how tight my game needs to be over the past 10 years. The question I'm asking is if anybody else noticed it recently?

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I have, totally. I used to have it pretty easy finding feminine women. However, they quickly get converted by the herd these days, in my experience. I've watched the transformation happen personally.

I think what we might be seeing is the faster dissemination of fem-group ideas.

[–]westcoastwiking1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The fall of the church.

We often accredit feminism with the change in the SMP the last 50 years, and that certainly holds a lot of truth.

However, it's a personal theory of mine that fall of the church and organized religion in the Western World is just as much a proponent.

For thousands of years the church has kept female hypergamy and male polygamy in check. "One man to one woman", so is the word of the Lord.

Obviously such an arrangement, when imposed on society, greatly benefits the beta hordes, at the cost of the few natural Alphas. But for civilization this is great! It gives the great hoard of beta losers something to work for. When alphas are no longer monopolizing 90% of the women, they now actually have a legitimate shot at reproduction. A great motivator if there ever was one.

Indeed it is fair to assume this is one of the main reasons organized religion was established in the first place. And that modern society is built on the backs of betas past. (Spirituality might be natural as we all wonder at the night sky, but organized religion is a construct, it servers a purpose.)

Now consider the true meaning of "the meek shall inherit the earth".

At any rate, whit the raise of modern science and industrialization religion has faded. And with it so has it's mechanisms for controlling our sexual id.

I pose to you, that the seeds of feminism have always been there. It is as natural as any desire to live, prosper and advance at the cost of others.

It was kept in check mainly by religion, the chruch, giving us strict moral guidelines on how to live our lives.

Yes brethren, it truly is a Brave New World!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting post, the more I think about this stuff the more I am left wondering how deep this rabbit hole goes.

Unleashing the Pandora's box that is the hypergamous feminine imperative seems to have implications all the way from the corner bar to geopolitics!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

Read your post: you should not have slapped her first with so many witnesses. Until she hits you, you shouldn't do anything. Nothing happened then but there are tons of witnesses who will attest to you slapping her first.

If you do want to slap her, you can say "you're making me concerned for my safety and if you don't back up, I will react to protect myself."

That puts you in the clear in terms of the witnesses.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

I realize it was an unnecessary risk I took doign that, and it was an interesting point another forum commentor made:

In essence, the women are challenging men more and more, to the point that men have to risk more to demonstrate dominance. Essentially, your regard for self-preservation has to be non-existant. If you're not willing to risk prison, losing your job, or getting beat by the cops or an army of white knights, you're not dominant enough. Now this isn't the whole story, but I've noticed it growing as well. They like it because it's a weed out method for anyone not willing to risk those things. Risk more to get laid less.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

Personally, I think it's the women you choose to hang out with that do this. I don't have any issue with such women. Usually, academic feminists or daddy's princesses are a good way to find them.

If I do come across them, instant and permanent severing of acquaintance. There are many women in the world who aren't grade A bitches and I'd rather spend my time with them.

So if you hang out at clubs and bars, you only have yourself to blame. There are nice women walking around everywhere. Take a dance class, for example.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Personally, I think it's the women you choose to hang out with that do this.


What? That's the worst type of logic. You think I'm actively seeking out bitches? I know you're not new here!

I approach any and all women I deem sexually attractive. This is not a selection problem, but a supply problem.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Well, let's see, you talk about going to a party. Just a social party where you clearly didn't know most of the people. This is half a notch above bars and clubs.

If you had a dinner (not a "party") where you knew people, then there is strong social pressure to behave and I can guarantee you that woman would not be invited.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

The inherent problem with your post is simple: You assume that there is somehow a way to meet new people by only hanging out with people you know in circumstances not conducive to meeting new people.

Again, this is purely a supply problem. You may not understand it because some places are worse than others, but think DC, and you'll understand.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Haha, yeah I think I read your post on DC.

I think "hanging out" in social situations is the absolute WORST way to meet people. I prefer meeting women in a regular setting but my absolute favourite way is when they're taking classes with me.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Don't get me wrong, I manage to keep my harem fresh, and I still meet the occasional lady worth a damn. But my frustration is the increasing occurrence of the bitch type, and how it's permeated old ways of meeting new people.

Unfortunately, as the social scene gets worse, the problem is exponential. For instance, you suggest hanging out and meeting people through friends as a form of vetting process. But imagine that all of my friends are running into the same shortage as I am, that means they have less people to introduce into the group.

Where I am, classes aren't the solution, day game isn't the solution, friends aren't the solution. Imagine the landscape after the nuke already dropped. Sure there are a few people alive afterwards, but they've mutated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck, sounds awful man. Are you in DC? Sounds a lot like Roosh's description of DC or Toronto.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not in DC, but from what I've heard from Roosh, mentioning altercations like this nightly, I might as well be.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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