Do lower SMV girls know that they don’t got any chance with higher SMV guys?

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Title Do lower SMV girls know that they don’t got any chance with higher SMV guys?
Author motinutz
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Date 16 March 2020 02:59 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]theUnBannableHulk174 points175 points  (13 children) | Copy

Instinctively they do.

Society tells them otherwise.

But they are, literally, too huge of pussies to test rejection

[–]johncillo54 points55 points  (11 children) | Copy

Also, there are a lot of handsome and high smv guys fucking whatever gets in front of them, elevating the perception of the girl’s SMV and then they ask why aren’t good men out there. Be selective please.

[–]theyearsstartcomin22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy

I have hooked up with girls below my smv before because they were chill enough and willing to do literally anything for me because we both knew what the deal was.

Having a few like that boosts the lineup and your ambundance mentality

Yeah theres a hotter girl, but who cares if that doesnt work out? We always say having a plate or two helps, now imagine having six or ten

[–]johncillo8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, I am in that situation as well, and as smv goes, normally girls only date up or cross, sometimes low but is not the norm. However, my point is, be selective, fuck with someone whom actually you see attractive and plate the ones that are willing to let you lead and have fun. If you aim too low it will damage your SMV, it will damage the girl and so on. It is like if a girl is a whore, she is damaging the beta who fucks her because he thinks his game is top notch and that doesn’t help anyone’s growth. This society was built upon competence and being the top of hierarchies.

[–]theyearsstartcomin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ya you cant slum it. Im talking about like maybe 2 points or so below me

[–]Hungboy69694201 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Same, but at the end of the day you know you're shooting below the belt

[–]theyearsstartcomin2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Who cares as long shes not butt ugly and is fun to hang with. You wouldnt get the hotter chick if you were less confident, but now youre getting laid too

[–]Hungboy69694201 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

They're okay but at the end of the day sometimes it feels like settling

[–]theyearsstartcomin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know what you mean, but i simply dont see it that way since youre increasing your abundance both mentally and in real terms. Ask yourself if youd rather have a ten dollar bill or a five dollar bill. Now ask if youd rather have five or zero.

Are you "settling" for five?

[–]Hungboy6969420-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same, but at the end of the day you know you're shooting below the belt

[–]limbojunkie6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree. I have met too many high SMV guys who settle with women much less attractive. On the other hand, these men take advantage of women's resources living without paying bills.

[–]MakoShark930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao that's my big brother all day

[–]Anussauce4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

AKA boosted ego or a “big head.”

[–]BruhMoment45886136 points137 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not a majority of them. Women have had their egos inflated from thirsty beta orbiters and a society that rewards them simply for having a vagina.

You can tell which ones are aware by how bitter and competitive they are.

[–]Gandalf3220 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can confirm. Living in the UK, this also holds true.

[–]Forsaken4321100 points101 points  (6 children) | Copy

A solid 5 will be fucked by a 10 if he is

-horny -bored -drunken -just wants a hole [ in this case a 4 will do too)

So how shouldt they know when they get high value dick all the time.

[–]BlackMonkey1418 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

I can’t even fuck a 6. It amazes me that anyone at all can fuck a 5. The amount of mental gymnastics involved to accomplish this is too much for me.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know if you mean mental gymnastics to pass their shit tests, or lowering your standards?

For me personally, the former would be the bigger turnoff, I have more fun with the game than the outcome 90% of the time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe the keyword was `drunken`

I can bang prawns too with not much problem.

[–]deadstick_it37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

They don’t want dick. They want time. They get alpha widowed when they give up the pussy but the Chad won’t give her the time.

[–]Forsaken432114 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well they want thr dick. I agree attention is s part but they are horny too.

Just switch sides, if you are smv 5 guy who somehow always fucks 9s and 10s would you settle for a 5 ? Fuck no you wouldtn even understand why this happens with girls

[–]burnerkidtalin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They be lookin good when im crossed

[–]newyearzz202018 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, they have absolutely no clue.

A high SMV guy going through a dry spell , or just bored, will pick an average girl for the night. So now because she gets laid by a few high SMV guys occasionally, she erroneously thinks that’s her new league and starts rejecting guys in her own league. Cue alpha widow. Cue divorce and/or cheating when she finally “settles”.

Then you have FDS telling these average women who got fucked by a few Chads “you go gurrl never settle, a HVM is there for all of usss”

This is the major problem with dating nowadays because Tinder has given average SMV women access to high SMV guys at their fingertips whenever they want, and once they experience it, they don’t wanna go back to an average guy, ever.

Imagine if someone gave you a Lamborghini and a Porsche to drive in your 20s then as soon as you’re 30, they take away the Lamborghini and Porsche and give you a Toyota Prius instead for the rest of your life?

Divorce rates for millennials and Gen Z women will be at unprecedented highs, mark my words.

[–]ExploreBeyond70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bang on, one of my average-above average plates told me stories of all the guys she's been rejecting whilst she has been sleeping with me - she showed me pictures of them and they are literally her looks-match. It's truly shocking the way she speaks about them, you would think they are ugly, creepy guys.

[–]RPthrowaway12365 points66 points  (7 children) | Copy

Honestly I don't think so. Look how they act, entitled bitches even when they have 3 kids at 22 and a fucking cattle ring in their nose. They've been told their whole lives that they deserve to have it all no matter what.

[–]BruhMoment4588637 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

But.... girl power?

[–]send_it_for_the_boys27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was at a bar last weekend & straight up asked the. Bartender what’s the deal with the fuckin bull rings 😂. “She had one”

[–]Cmdrj-nice9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lmaoo what did she say

[–]send_it_for_the_boys4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

She said “i think it’s cool and something about being herself”..... like everyone else says lol

[–]Nergaal11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

a fucking cattle ring in their nose

ah I didn't understand why I hated that

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think Tinder (and similar apps) gives them delusion in thinking they can. When in reality, Chad is just going to use them as c*m dumpster.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

No need for self censoring here, brother.

[–]mrsmiley83150 points51 points  (8 children) | Copy

I was at a bar last night and got hit on by a single mom in her 40s. I'm younger, better looking, and have much higher smv than her yet she still thought she had a chance. Finally had to tell her I'm out of her league, to which she stormed off and got upset (it was pretty funny actually). They may know that they have lower smv, but they'll still try due to their entitlement and narcissism.

[–]Pluglord30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy

Had to tell her I’m out of her league

How did you word it? 😂😂

[–]PinacoladaSauce34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

my guess is he literally said “i’m out of your league” lmaoo

[–]volvostupidshit10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty savage if you ask me. But someone has to do it.

[–]thesoloronin10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wanna know too 😂😂😂

[–]pokergentleman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

!RemindMe 12 hours

[–]ritzmata18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Another femcel was born just by you rejecting her 😂

[–]Greaterbird19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Off to complain on social media how "gross" it is that men only want to date beautiful women.

[–]wyota18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did you literally say "I'm out of you're league"? Or something more along the lines of "sorry I'm not interested"?

[–]OracleofFl46 points47 points  (3 children) | Copy

On any given night, a high SMV guy may choose to go home with a low SMV girl because he wants to get laid. The societal problem with that is that now that lower SMV girl thinks she has a shot at landing a guy like that in the future and only a high SMV guy will do. This is the "Alpha Widow".

[–]Hungboy69694204 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yea I had an old co-worker who was maybe a 5. She hooked up a guy who looks wise was an 8 or 9. However, he was a huge pussy and had NO game. He paid for all her dates and took a few meetups to hookup. When she showed me a pic of them, I laughed and said , damn that dude must have zero game. She got defensive before admitting it was true

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

can't believe an older woman was happy to talk to you about her sex life in the workplace

[–]Hungboy69694200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha by old I meant a coworker in the past. She was early 20s

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do they? Do an experiment. Make up a throwaway account, google up a pic of some blue and pink hair chick with tattoos and post on r4r and watch how much your inbox gets filled with thirsty bro's and dick picks.

Dick is free.

The more important question is, how do you make this work for you?

[–]__TheDon__20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not all the time.. Average or below average chicks think they deserve a top tier male. Thanks to many thirsty dudes with no standards

On the other hand, 99% of chicks are deeply insecure and know they’re not worth shit, So it depends.

[–]BlackMonkey142 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wonder if the “insecurity” isn’t just an act or a necessity to submission. This isn’t talked about enough.

[–]user201806201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah... I think it's real. Chicks are constantly comparing themselves to other chicks. So they constantly feel inadequate. Especially since they all show off their absolute best lives on Instagram.

So they have this cognitive dissonance of one the one hand feeling they deserve the world because a few Chad's chose them for a pump... And also feeling like shit because their friend Tiffany has a hotter guy, or more money, or whatever.

So this shows up in the dating market as the same girl being a submissive angel to one guy... And being a stuck up bitch to another. The one guy (high value) triggers her insecurity, and she rushes to prove herself worthy. The other guy (low value) triggers her princess complex, and she shit tests him like crazy.

[–]omega_dawg9313 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

they know this: they have a chance to get a high value man's dick... knowing they'll never have him.

but it's really the attention & validation (bragging rights, esp if pix are taken) that are most impt to her.

[–]hqckbjpxhtbvpqfw3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

i was wondering why girls took selfies with me on our first dates, a friend said the exact same thing

[–]omega_dawg934 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

social validation.

the dick she gets and the mouth, pussy etc she gives up don't matter... she needs that attention & validation.

attention = female currency.

[–]superstar94b14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. This is for a couple of reasons. Biologically it’d make almost no sense for a woman to realize she’s not in a mans “league”. Yes, in some situations that could end with some severe consequences, but rarely. Secondly, given the social realities of 2020, where calling a woman fat might constitute as a hate crime, these women have high egos. They genuinely have no clue. Ive seen this shit first hand, and I’m not even puzzled about it. The fattest 4, with a saggy body will be somewhat confused (on a conscious level) as to why she doesn’t have a 6 or 7. Subconsciously she might get it, but in this society, these women are consciously oblivious.

[–]Domebeers6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

except they do, that's the problem

[–]Livecrazyjoe3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Online they think they do. But in real life without filters and angles they aren't shit. Been on enough dates where I show up and figure out she doesn't look like her pics. It goes downhill because now I'm on a date with an ugly chick. Usually leave and never text again.

Online yes Real life no

[–]confusedbonobo00712 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

As G eazy might say There's some 6s up in here like who allowed it?

They shouldn't, but they sometimes do.

[–]Zanford6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes, if the gap is wide enough.

But they do tend to overestimate their SMV. Our brains evolved for small tribes with no social media. If a cavewoman had 10 orbiters, she was probably the alpha female of the village. Now every woman can easily have 10 orbiters if she wants (thanks to bigger population, social media, pro-slut propaganda, thirstier guys, fat competition, less violent repurcussions for orbiters from fathers/suitors/etc) but she doesn't really calibrate for how that's nothing special anymore.

[–]FinancialThanks18 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]RedPill_Dragon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I was in my 30s, I had women in their 50s think they could hit on me. I had to directly tell them that I only date women who can safely have kids. The women would go absolutely bonkers over this, as if I were asking something outside of the mammal experience.

I'm 46 now and I get hit on by women in their 50s still. I don't even care. On POF, I get hit on by women who would not qualify as my friend, even less as a dog walker. They have no clue about their lower value.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Women are quite attuned to which men their beauty is capable of holding.

Some of them are delusional of course, but on the whole they "know".

[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. They act like they don't but when you check one hard they fall the fuck apart.

[–]cfbovernfl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. These days guys will fuck close to anything that moves. That's in part why girls' standards are high and they're more polyamorous compared to previous generations.

[–]alphakari0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Girls are bad at math.

The fatal flaw in all female sexual strategy is the fact they all pursue the top 20%. There just aren't enough high SMV men to go around, and it's for that reason it's even possible to spin plates.

[–]DF-RP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If we are talking about relationships, yes, they are aware, particularly when the gap in SMV is massive. They do care about the bragging rights though, which is why you'll have shit like girls taking a pictures in bed with famous sports star/a-lister after the guy has gone sleep.

[–]wyota0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They dont realize they're getting laid just as little as low SMV men but society keeps their ego up with the constant messaging

[–]Owlytatas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sexual market value isn't a real thing, people are attracted to people, and if you're having trouble getting laid, the problem isn't that all the girls are chasing Chads. The problem is that you think the whole thing is transactional

[–]Muda_DoughBoi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Funny how this works. I understand what I'm about to type is off tangent but:

Low SMV guy who gets toyed around can improve himself physically (especially if looks are decent facial wise) will become High SMV most chicks want to sit on.

I've noticed this myself when I was around 208. Height is 6 ft (some say 6 ft 1) and when I was around that weight (fatass still, but carried well), most chicks would find any reason to be in my vicinity.

Due to mental issues I still struggle with (lack of self love. Worry about what others think of me, emotional childhood trauma), my weight have risen. I am working to be a better version of me. Not to the point to spin plates, but to the point to love myself and to be desired.

[–]motinutz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man continue your journey of self improvement and never stop!! Go get it tiger!!!

[–]therealbigoso-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro, just ignore them.

[–]NobodyP1-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes on the extremes. Fat girls know they can’t so they are bitchy to you and treat you like shit. Pretty girls will roll their eyes at you if you have low SMV. The in between is a gray area.

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