Thread from the relationshit advice place. Won't link it but it was pretty popular with 3k upvotes.
Tbh I'll give the relationshit place credit. They were very well aware of the strength difference between men and women. Even the female commenters self reported getting overpowered by smaller men. But a reoccurring theme with the OP's gf and even female commenters is just how SURPRISED they were when they first realised the strength gapm
Let's take a look shall we...
I (21M) met her (20F) 6 months ago. We go to the same college.
Seems to have LTR'd her either just before or during the CC. LTR during college is a bad sign, but oh well.
Now we would usually wrestle for fun but I'd always let her win. I think she took pride in winning but whenever I told her I wasn't going serious, she would say "yeah right" . But if it made her happy it wasn't an issue.
Didn't assert his dominance, and let her win for "her happiness". Very BP signs.
Also notice how she says "yeah right"? Her deluded brain actually believes she is winning.
Now I'm not a big guy. I'm about 5"10 and 175lbs. I'm skinny fat basically.
TLDR - I look like shit.
I occasionally lift weights so I'm pretty strong.
Translation - I've been to the gym 2 or 3 times.
She's 5"11 and 165-170lbs. She plays Volleyball for our college at a competitive level, so she's an athlete.
Okay, so his GF is a competitive collegiate athlete and basically the same size as OP.
Well the other day she initiated another wrestle and I let her win, until she said "ok let's see what you got". I wasn't sure what she meant so I asked her and she asked me to go serious.
OP's girlfriend begins to wake up from delusion. She knows he isn't really trying. But has deluded herself to believe she can still stand a chance.
So we wrestled and I pinned her rather quickly. She tried to break free but couldn't.
Reality manifests itself. Reality is that despite being of similar size and way less athletic, he's still far stronger than her.
I could tell she was a bit shaken so she asked to go again, and we went again but i got her in a headlock.
OP's gf is "shaken", aka her reality is being shattered. She is realizing the lies that BP society and feminism have taught her.
I didn't squeeze too hard, but just enough to hold her and she tapped. We went a third time and i pinned her.
OP says he "didn't squeeze too hard", meaning that he's STILL holding back and easily winning. Even with restrained strength, he makes her tap in a regular headlock (not even a real chokehold).
At that point she seemed confused and things got a bit awkward.
"Confused" means that she's realised what she's been told is a complete lie.
She then told me she never knew I was serious when I said I wasn't really trying.
Aka her hamster brain was spinning so much that she genuinely thought she was winning.
Since then, her mood has been lower. She's usually bubbly but this time I noticed she was low and a bit mopey.
OP's girlfriend is adjusting to her new reality, as she has realized the extent of male strength. Hell she probably doesn't even know that he was STILL holding back when he beat her.
OP mentions in another comment that he is "quite strong" because he bench presses 80kg. Make what you will of that, but benching your own BW isn't that impressive by lifting standards. He probably is stronger than the average dude (who apparently can only bench 60kg), but whatever.
TLDR -, a skinny fat male with minimal lifting experience and lack of athletic background, completely DESTROYED a female collegiate volleyball player of the same size, while holding back.
Now this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone with half a brain, but feminism and BP society, have convinced women that they can kick ass. Probably a lot of them influenced by the dumb hollywood movies. And I wouldn't doubt that BP folk encouraged this nonsense belief.
This is less a blue pill example and more of a cultural thing with feminism lying to women in various ways. /u/pearlsandstilettos and /u/theredpillfinance talked about this very thing on their show on the official TRP YouTube channel several times now.
Women college athletes from D1 all the way down to D3 and JuCo have some of the most hyper-inflated egos of anyone I’ve ever met.
Let’s bring some “equality” and stop “segregating” males and females for sports. After a bit only men will remain as women are outperformed, that ought to do it
Why do you think so many women's sports are starting to bar "trans women"
South park has a great episode about this
The taste of their own medicine?
Wrestle them and destroy the ego lol.
Waay back in college (2007) during my first year, we had a "professional " female boxer. She had a pretty high reputation as a fighter. We were in the same economics club. So one day we go out and i drunkenly told her i could beat her easy. Now i was out of shape dude that drank every weekend. Never took health seriously and was not the epitome of an athlete.
She took that shit SERIOUSLY. I mean she seriously believed she could beat me badly. We were the exact same height and she was toned and fit. I probably had a good 40 lbs on her of pure unadulterated fat. She actually calls her trainer and sets up a gym fight between me and her...in the bar. Now there is no turning back now. The whole club plus our mutual friends knew about it within the hour.(thanks to facebook).
It became a huge thing. That she would fight a dude who challenged her. I was just talking shit at the bar, she was so confident in her "famous" left hook that she escalated this to people taking side bets. I mean everyone knew she was going to win. My boys of course were on my side. Fast forward, day comes. I was hungover as fuck. Anyway grab my gym shoes and head on there. I mean her mom was there and family members. The gym was packed. She was supposed to fight some other girl a few weeks down the line and i was some kind of warm up curtain raiser. That is when it hit me, shit, what the fuck did i do.
We get in the ring and she starts sparring. Her punches of course were better than the average girl but what hurt more to me were stomach area punches. I thought i would puke. I was more defensive and she was all in aggressive coming at me with NO DEFENSE AT ALL. She honestly believed she didnt need to or even if i hit her, she could shake it of. But all in all, she was still a girl. Then she landed a punch that was heavy to my face. I literally saw stars. The round ended. I was taking it easy on her because that was her life and to me it meant nothing. I honestly would have thrown the fight.
Round two, she comes out and taunts me calling me a pussy. This time I decided fuck it. We start sparring. i catch her with a hook. she literally fell flat on her ass, dazed. She could not believe. She got up. The referees ten count was more like 15 count. One fucking punch. We get back up. She comes at me flailing her punches wildly. There are tears in her eyes. A second punch, and she goes down a second time. This time she is now crying. I didn't even hit her hard. Round is over. I realized shit was not funny anymore. So I called for a bucket and force puked. I then conceded the match saying i cannot go on. She got the win.
She was not happy at all. I basically had taken down her entire last two years of her life in 15 minutes. She was used to talking shit to guys on how she can beat them up. And believed it. In two rounds her life had shattered. She stormed off. She later again tried fighting some dudes again and got her shit kicked. I heard that she quit.
Truth is hard to shallow. And you can understand it no ? She made lot of effort and just you being a male with higher testo rate made you win without real effort.
It remind me of that study on muscles and how to get them. They had 4 groups: people not doing anything, people not doing anything getting testosterone, people training, not getting testosterone, people training & getting testosterone.
The one that did nothing and got testosterone got better results than the one that trained without it. Only the guys that trained AND took it got better results.
So this is biology.
Pussy. I'd have decked her again and again until the match ended
That story sounds completely fake, no offense. On a subreddit full of spergs and social rejects, I highly doubt something like this actually happened.
But the moral of the story is true - men are stronger than women.
National women's soccer teams - the teams that play in the Women's World Cup - have scrimmaged against high school boys' soccer teams. And lost.
Olympic women's hockey teams play against highschool boys teams and regularly lose.
My daughter played soccer for a D1 School that went to the NCAA tournament pretty much every year.. really good team. This school didn’t have a men’s soccer team, just a club. The team against this club and a got massacred 4-0, WHILE holding back. They had clearly been instructed to not injure the girls. So WHILE winning 4-0, they keep doing these amazing athletic leaps and tumbles to avoid colliding. Quite the show
No way. Do you have a source? The Woman's team is damn good ... better than any HS team I've seen.
Lol it’s real
If you follow soccer you know this is true. Shows how much weaker women really are when they cant even compete physically with teenage boys
I have video of that game, but I won’t post it as it would doxx my daughter, so you’ll just have to take my word for it, I suppose
It's better than other women, but that's much like winning the special olympics.
If we got rid of title 9 do they understand their sports usually don’t bring in enough revenue to exist? We probably did more harm than good with that.
Absolutely it did. If you know how to play Australian rules Tidley-winks as a female, you get a full scholarship. But if you are a male and a great player outside of football, basketball and baseball, you’re shit out of luck.
Same in my MMA gym. Once we had a real hard day eith tons of grappling drills etc and then the usual 3 rounds of sparring, I ended up sparring one of the girls at the last round. Now because I was exhausted I traded some easy shots and took her down, then realized that I’m way too tired for ground game and gave away my back. She took it and I stood up and just kinda shook her off, she then said “well, that’s just boring”
Thing is, every time we have to spar with women we obviously take it easy and they are throwing max power shots...
I’m sure she’s had her ego leveled a few times before.
I’ve had the same experience. I almost could not believe how weak they were until I rolled with a girl for the first time.
A 24 year old female college athlete and a 13 year old that believes they are destined for the NBA are both the same personality.
It’s almost as if young women are growing up seeing female superheroes who weigh 140lbs beat the shit out of two 6ft4 220lbs men at the same time and thinking that it isn’t pure bullshit.
Men are told that they aren’t allowed to use their physical strength and then women start believing that it doesn’t exist.
Also seeing videos of girls beating guys online which are either staged or exceptions to the rule and people start to believe it applies to everyone.
I’ve never seen a video of a girl beat a guy online and I’m subscribed to all the fight subs. Is this a common thing?
R hold my Cosmo has them every bow and then
Try watching any DC or Marvel show... you'll see girls 1v20ing
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the chick in a dress beat the mandaloriams ass in full battle gear
Sure, but these are fictions. They don't believe there superman, why superwoman would be more realistic ?
It intrinsically plants a misbelief that they can kick ass just as much as men can
See people get most of their beliefs entertainment.
ghetto chicks with BP dudes
The only one I’ve seen is a extremely heavy set whale that was sick of waiting in line at McDonald’s throwing a shrimp of a guy around into tables for 15 seconds on a twitter vid.
A female ufc fighter legit beat a trans fighter.
Make what you will of that. https://youtu.be/Eg9zeQhsFmU
Trans people have more testosterone than women but less than men. She wouldn't be able to beat a male.
The level of skill disparity necessary for a weaker fighter to overcome a bigger, stronger opponent is absurd.
In wrestling that is exaggerated even more by the rule set.
I mean I know a couple women that would kick my ass handily in a fight but they are definitely the exception
Unless you are really extremely small, you do not. Like if you're 5 foot and 120, maybe a woman could beat you. But an average size man (5-9, 175) can beat 99% of women with ease.
The thing about those women superheroes is that they are constructed with masculine attributes—storylines that follow the boy —> man hero’s journey with other male archetypes. It confuses the culture. You end up with women with unnatural masculine traits. (Well raised) foreign women (non-American/EU/AUS) have a feminine strength and composure without the underlying masculine energy.
It’s very weird interacting with American women who have unnatural male competitiveness or cockiness because it’s not straightforward how you’re supposed to engage with them. This is further compounded by feminist/leftist ideology, which makes them both militantly aggressive as well as fainting-couch sensitive. There’s no corralling them, western women and Pandora’s box are one and the same.
I never understood who the lie was supposed to benefit
But then I realized it was supposed to harm
This is a great point. I've had these weird interactions with aggressive women where I have no idea what to do other than disengage. With a guy you kind of size eachother up and one of you will back off because you don't want your brain plastered onto the pavement.
What are you supposed to do with this shrieking 5"4 plushie? You so much as shove her and you're in deep shit
That's exactly why they do whatever they want. They like to display their power, you effectively cannot do anything and they can ruin your life instantly with no negative consequences. That kind of power is intoxicating and some psychos like to display it.
Good description. I had a female housemate, years ago, who was all about the Stronk Wommyn thing before its time.
Then one day she was heating some oil in a pan, lifted the lid, and it burst into flames.
Put the lid back on, right? No. She threw the lid across the room, ran down 4 flights of stairs, called the FD, and sat on the sidewalk crying.
She did nonsense stuff like this periodically, but it never changed her attitude about her own competence and ability, in any way.
I borrowed it from this convo between Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia: https://youtu.be/iv7LvRhvgNI
And someone thought it was a good idea to put these people in the military too... think of that
Fuck sake. Nothing but an incompetent child under all the fake bravado.
Why did she sit on the sidewalk crying???
That's a good question. Because a bad thing happened, I guess.
Most people to this day don't know that Joe Louis's last name was Barrow.
Yeah his real name was Joseph Louis Barrow.
I would argue that other countries (EU/AUS) are more liberal than America and their women more liberal by default. Could this masculine energy simply be independence?
Not sure about the whole of EU, but if you compare American women to Dutch ones, American women will come off as way more tomboyish
You literally just described my fat wife.
Compare this with based anime shows like Fist of the North Star and JoJo where it takes a goddamn 6'5" buff masculine protagonist to beat the villain, and even then with setbacks
Never speak of anime on TRP again. Delete this.
Don’t even watch anime but fuck urself
Anime is a form on entertainment just like movies and tv. Nothing wrong with watching it in moderation.
I don't watch much entertainment at all, but rather anime than the usual hollywood garbage. Would much rather choose that out of all the available stuff out there today.
Anime is for weebs! I, a normie intellectual, only watches the Kardashians and Jersey Shore!
So cringe. Good for you, I guess?
I love anime, I find it more entertaining than movies or TV shows.
And you don't get the usual constant BP propaganda from the usual suspect.
That’s something that needs to change.
Oh no he watches a form of entertainment that's not popular? How shameful.
who cares about popularity, shit’s cringe af and hella weird
I’m sure everyone aspires to be a grown-ass man sitting around watching squeaky voiced Japanese cartoons.
I won't deny that degenerate stuff exist in anime but don't ever diss Kenshiro or Jonathan Joestar. And the point of my comment is to provide a counterexample to the tendency of fiction being used to promote the female imperative and blue-pilled thinking among Western men
Eventually men will use their strength
I call it "The Black Widow Syndrome," from all the Marvel movies where Scarlett Johansson is shown taking out multiple opponents without even breaking a sweat. This clip from Iron Man 2 illustrates the point well enough, methinks:
https://youtu.be/0lZYKVl49Ac
Absolutely. I've always thought about this. That's not how it works at all. You can't Kung Fu someone if you're 4'8 versing someone who's 6'7 with 280lbs body weight.
The apocalypse is gonna suck for woman, then again they always have. Double down with the delusions of feminists it is going to be interesting.
Ya this is why sports are so good for guys to get into. They can use their natural assets ☺️
Now OP can identify as women and bring medals for country
"See! I told you women were just as strong as men!"
The media pushes this narrative pretty hard. Even shows like Vikings show women physically dominating men. It looks absolutely ridiculous to me, but people seem to eat it up. They have no idea how ridiculous that narrative is.
I love Vikings but yes they do and it’s retarded. Shield maidens did exist but they pretend it was 50% of the army and they have equal strength to men. What a joke. Still love that show though.
Tbf Vikings is a bit more realistic, there was a rape scene and the guy completely overwhelmed the woman, and most the killing by women is with a weapon, so it isn't as bad as a woman taking on 6'2" muscled dudes barehanded
Especially Lagetha's last fight was great imho. She won by being smart, not with force.
Women are smarter than men as well as stronger is what I learned from TV
Also don't forget: according to tv women will be head over heels for betas when they discover their pure heart.
Average man: Homer Simpson Average woman: Empress Livia, Boudicca, Catherine the Great
Feminism is a hell of a drug. I love it when they call each other sis.
Who needs testosterone when you have feminism? Just ask the soyboys.
Soy per the researchers mimics estrogen (female's hormones)
Yeah, but it's about one tenth of one percent as powerful as estrogen. Eating soy would have a negligible, if any, hormonal effect like this.
Never understood the soy boy thing as I know several vegan bodybuilders who get most of their protein from soy and these dudes are jacked and manly
I thought soyboy just meant simp these days, not literally vegans? Lol
Damn I thought it was legit eating soy 😂
Many simps eat soy, so that's where this came from
soy has a natural estrogen-like chemical in it. I grew up vegetarian/vegan and I feel like I have slight effects from heavy estrogen influence, but ultimately it is a state of mind. Biology loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger.
Many dudes are anti-vegetarian and many loser leftists are malnourished/weak vegan retards, so the soyboy thing is a pretty natural insult and as [an actual soyboy i guess?] I don't even take offense from it because the intent is obvious.
/u/eddielovett
Soyboy is an archetype, it's a group of similar people who act very similar, the name just comes from how a lot of them are vegan/vegetarian and have a lot of soy, it would be like calling chavs "trackieboys" for their trousers, or bland white girls "starbecky" because of their consistent liking of starbucks. The fact soy had estrogen just made it a complete meme
Yeah it’s very intuitive when you put it that way. I live in Europe and here the vegans I know are usually athletes. I’m sure it’s different in the states.
Maybe if you’re vegan out of compassion for the animals and you’re skinny fat eating vegan junk food then you’re more likely to be one of these leftist simps.
I don't do that, but what do you think about guys calling each other brother and bro? Same thing to you or different opinion on it?
The main difference is bro has been around forever.
Sis only now started up as soon as it was cool to be a feminist and used as an empowering term. You've never heard it before recent.
Bro is not used to empower other guys.
I prefer bro myself haha or dude. I just like the terms xp
That’s some feminist reverse logic bro it’s the same fucking thing
I was recently at a party where I overheard several girls discussing the men vs. women in sports -phenomenon. Many in the group held the opinion that, for example in tennis, women aren’t allowed to compete against men for the fear that they might win. And that it should be allowed ASAP. Anyway, I minded by own business and let them keep their delusions.
You could just pointed out that Serena William's lost to an old dude lmao.
Or that the australian women's football team got rekt 0-7 by a bunch of 15 year olds.
Also the US team lost to some 15 year olds 5-2
Also the US Olympic women’s hockey team lost to 4 random high school boys teams
Edit: not just lost, was crushed by all 4
From memory the old dude even drank beer before the match and smoked cigarettes at change of ends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karsten_Braasch
He was ranked 203 at the time and took both the sisters on one after the other, 6-1 and 6-2.
How to... beat both Williams sisters in one afternoon
Worth a read as the story only gets better.
Both her and her sister lost at their peak to a dude ranked 200 in the world. Serena even tried to rematch. It was 6-0 and 6-1 scores. Doesn't help that like a year ago there was a movie about a female tennis player playing a dude for the first time in like the 80s
That guy Billy Jean King played was legit boomer and people involved say he was paid to go easy and let her win for the publicity.
Billy Jean King was 29 and Bobby Riggs was 56 when they played "the battle of the sexes". I can't comment on Riggs "going easy" but the age difference in itself is significant. A real "battle of the sexes" would've had her play Jimmy Connors or Ilie Nastase in those days.
didn't they also loose to teenage boys too?
30yo is not old. Your arguments is invalid here. Dont be like feminists bending the facts!
Lol it's old for an athlete and he was semi retired at the time. keep choking down on that feminist dick though bro.
Beating 16 and 17 yo girls. Relax a bit. World is not black and white. Your comment is full of frustration
Top female tennis player against Nadal/Djokovic/Federer would be lucky to win a point, let alone a game. Score would be 6-0 6-0 6-0.
They stand zero chance.
I remember a debate I had years ago back in school where the subject was something like "should men and women be able to compete together in sports", and I said, "clearly they shouldn't because men and women are physically different and men are stronger." I got reprimanded by my teacher for suggesting that women are physically inferior to men.
Your teacher had clearly unlocked some of those high-end feminism perks
I once had a raging feminist ask me to take back the same statement that men are physically stronger than women. I said I will not take it back but I am willing to change my mind if she can prove me wrong on the field/ mat/ gym or any physical activity where she or any woman she knew could beat me. She couldnt respond.
What a twat. Zero women in any major pro sport. A few female race car drivers. You have to drop 4 - 5 pro tiers and you can find a couple of women goalies in hockey somewhere in Europe. Still no female players in other positions at that level.
You could show them this:
https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
The Canadian women's Olympic hockey team plays against high school boy's teams, and they are an even match.
They are (usually) the gold medal team.
I would have loved to have a go at that convo lol
Can an average guy bench 60kg for reps? I find that hard to believe. The first time I benched in the gym my arms started to shake during the final reps of 4x12 with just the bar.
A 1981 study found that untrained college males were able to out lift collegiate female volleyball and basketball players.
Researchers found that untrained college men have greater upper and lower body strength, both in absolute and relative terms, than trained collegiate women volleyball and basketball players:
https://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Abstract/1981/03000/Strength_comparisons_in_untrained_men_and_trained.9.aspx
D1 athletes/basketball players have to undergo weight training for their sports and still get out lifted.
Thats 1981..... Im not defending the strength difference, but a health report from '81 is heavily pushing the uninformed retard potato envelope.
Female health and fitness is exceedingly better 40 years later. An idea some of the simps here need to learn how to enjoy. Stretchy tight clothes and athletic bodies.
There is a good reason modern women are as confused as they are. Talking about being "stronger" and actually being stronger are two different things.
There's still a huge strength gap bro.
The yoga pants she overpaid for make her stronger!
Rofllll hey cuck woman and men have gotten fatter over 40 years. Hope she sees your ass kissing though bro
Most studies seem to say that the average guy can bench 60kg for several reps. Probably 3-4 of one set, not multiple sets.
You've got to remember that the average guy is also fat fuck at 195lbs and 5"9, so 60kg seems like a reasonable bet in comparison to BW.
What % of your body weight is being "benched" while doing perfect form pushups?
A little over 50%, depending on how heavy your head/neck is compared to the rest of your body
Cool. I can bench 15 reps of 60~ kg
Shit like that doesn't translate well due to the different nature of both exercises and the different supporting muscles used in either of them. The best way to determine your bench press is to bench press.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%25+of+body+weight+perfect+pushup&oq=%25+of+body+weight+perfect+pushup&aqs=chrome..69i57.4365j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Kilograms??? This is "Murica, speak English!!!
*The average guy in the US is a fat fuck
Don't speak on behalf of the rest of the world for the obesity in your own country.
For most guys I've trained with who just got started with average height that is, would do 45kg. But that is being completely new.
I found it tough to bench the bar the first time I went into the gym (the bar is typically 20kg).
How big/tall are you? I don't have big upper body #s. A friend in High School was already 6'1 and was benching over 200lbs for reps. That won't win at powerlifting, but it's way over 60kg.
If you lift regularly like you're supposed to no girl you're fucking will think she can challenge you
Thing is, even if you don't lift, the strength gap is still huge.
Definitely, in our boxing gym the girls can only compete with the weaklings. Even the girls I can fight pound to pound ( I do lots of weight control) with, can’t compete even the slightest, even the ones with better technique just get stopped by long range jabs and a defense breaking cross, while still holding back.
You spar with women in your gym? I've never seen that before.
With like 10% after a longer break, since I weight only 69kg I’m only 1 weight class away from the bigger ones. I get a safe environment to readjust to sparring, and they can prepare for tournaments. It’s a win-Win if you do it right
Thats cause you dont work out at Curves.
But would you still be able to beat a 180lb female who regularly lifts, even if you were a skinny 125lb untrained male?
I don't think women are dumb. But I do think they are gullible and naive.
Men have a wider range of intelligence compared to women. I know I'm not using the correct terms, but there are more highly intelligent men than women, but there are also more unintelligent men than women.
It's why there is a woman's chess league, they can't compete.
Men also have this obsession thing I've noticed. They get obsessed with cars, computers, airplanes etc. Women don't seen to get that as much.
I guess when you have everything handed to you, and people always trying to fuck you all the time, may kinda gets in the way of personal development.
Nah, it’s biological. Men are “things” oriented. Women are “people” oriented. That’s why men rule math while women rule Human Resources. Logic, sports that require spatial intelligence, and problem solving tend to be things that require personal development, and those are all things women are unlikely to enjoy on a biological level.
They do it because its basically the easiest job ever. Men can also rule Human Resources and often they do. It's just that you cannot win against a population with higher skill variability than yours. You always will get someone better.
Quite likely, the average female understand better people things. But to be honest the best at it light pychiatrist, politicians, sellers, investigators at the police and many other are men.
Even the best cooker are typically men and the one most skilled in fashion & clothe design are men too even if they are homosexuals.
Basically there more variation in men than women and for some reason, men most often manage to be at the top ranking.
You're looking for the variability hypothesis.
Simple rule of thumb for the autists in here saying "some women can outlift men", 90% of men are stronger than 90% of women.
the top 10% of women are still weaker than the bottom 80% of men. Seeing shit like female MMA fighters trying to fight average dudes or female body builders get out-arm wrestled by completely average dudes puts the lie to the idea that men an women are physically equivalent.
Top female MMA fighters could probably beat most of us in technique though.
And professional female pole vaulters can probably out jump us.
They'd still get killed in an actual fight.
Google “Miesha Tate grapples several men”
While I agree that in the vast, vast majority of cases the strongest women are still weaker than below average men, it isn’t the case that random dudes off the street can beat the shit out of female UFC fighters.
What if you put a 125lb skinny untrained male up against a 180lb female college volleyball player who regularly lifts? Who would win in a fight?
You don't understand what I'm saying do you. I didn't say 100%. If the way I phrased it doesn't click think of it this way. If you take any random 10 girls and 10 guys in the US, on average, the 1st strongest female will only be stronger than the 10th strongest male. So basically, statistically, the weakest of the ten men is the only realistic candidate to be weaker than any of the women, and the most likely candidate for that to be the case is the strongest of the ten women. So your example would represent those extremes.
Yeah I understood what you were saying. I was just clarifying which cases a female could genuinely overpower a male.
I'm guessing if she takes steroids and lifts heavy she probably could (assuming the adult male was small, skinny and untrained). What other instances could a female overpower a male?
It just depends on their genes (stature), their training, and their lifestyle. A girl who is on one extreme can oust a man on the opposite extreme. Although that 90% figure was based on a study of arm wrestling I believe. So we are just talking upper body strength. Thinks like extreme long distance running are actually almost dead even in terms of performance between the sexes.
I had a gf once around high school who was into 'being a strong woman' or something. Went to some junior police thing with plans to someday join the force. She'd get really annoyed when she wanted to demonstrate holds and moves she'd learned there and I just removed myself easily. Insisted she couldn't actually try with them or she'd hurt me. Very in denial of reality. Some of them need that vision of themselves I guess.
Reminds me of the police cam video I saw where the female officer couldn't control her suspect, and her partner got killed because of it.
This feminist driven society of the western world (no hate) has really played with the young men's minds. Where iam from, we don't have feminism, matter of fact the girls know their position, and we men know our position. The females know they are weaker and less intelligent then the men , and the men are less capable to take care of kids and so on. It's a harmonious balance. The western contries, for some reason, try to disbalance this.
They want to take down western society so it can be replaced with an authoritarian world order.
Check out yuri bezmenov interviews.
Once it happens here it will happen everywhere. So hopefully us in the west can delay it long enough for other areas to gain strength.
Countries and civilizations are at their best when challenging and competing with other strong countries and civilizations. I’m not talking about simply active wars either.
You are damn to right. It's the nwo thing. And the sheep are just following. I live in a 3rd world country, and iam sure if we develop we are going to have the same mentality. I hope not
They want to give women equal opportunities and rights to men. Unfortunately it has gone too far the other way now.
My ex girlfriend had a black belt in taekwondo, think it was 3rd dan. Let me tell you, she was surprised when she just didn’t have the physical strength to get out of my thoroughly untrained ass holding her arm behind her back
In case you were wondering, these were all consensual activities with the sole purpose being to see if the skills actually worked
Well, that's also because taekwondo is basically the worst martial art for self-defense. It's mainly for cardio, getting head shots, and doing fancy flips and shit.
That makes a lot of sense then. In fact, now that I think about it, that’s what she told me every time... this could explain the breakup
Actually, many martial arts are bad. The only actually good ones that I know of, are:
MMA (a collection of the best elements cherry-picked from other martial arts)
Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu
Muay Thai
Kickboxing
You forgot boxing. It's the best for hand striking.
Headshot accuracy is a good skill when being weaker.
When I was training BJJ I rolled with a girl a couple times. I was pretty thin at that time, 170lbs 6'2. She was probably 110lbs. She was better than me in terms of experience and technique, a belt above me. She couldn't land any submissions even though I was never trying to out muscle her or try to use my body weight to my advantage which would have been super easy. Fact is I could have just picked her up and thrown her against the wall if I wanted.
A single belt above you is not enough to equalize the 60 lbs difference. 60 lbs is HUGE and it would be the same if you fight a man, unless he's a black belt.
Source: Did BJJ for some years.
I agree. My personal theory is that even BJJ skills is only good enough to beat someone at most 50% heavier than you. Only so much you can do vs someone heavy laying on top of you. I rolled with some guys probably 250lbs fat not muscle, but it was really tough.
Based on the original topic anyway, the weight difference alone not counting muscle composition difference, is enough to win the fight male vs female.
A lot of women who can beat guys in rolls would lose to them if strikes were allowed.
How heavy were you and how heavy was she? The premise of the OP is useless because the man is heavier. Get a 125lbs skinny untrained male against a 180lb female strength athlete, put them in a fight and see which one wins then. If it's the male, well I will concede that men are clearly stronger at all weights and strength levels. But if the woman wins, then it would be interesting to say the least.
OP and gf are same weight.
Scientific studies find that even average men of similar size to elite female athletes are considerably stronger.
What about men who are significantly smaller? Such as my example, where there is a 55lb difference.
Your example doesn't make sense to me. Its extreme and unrealistic.
A 5"10 125lb men is very likely suffering from health problems. Men have denser muscles and more twitch fibers than women, so they're supposed to weigh much more. A 125lb man at that height is likely suffering from a number of health conditions.
Patrice O’Neal did a great bit about female cops. Basically said when a female cop makes an arrest it’s because the criminal is letting them.
I mean, resisting the police is a crime by itself, so...
If you're fucked, it's better not to get fucked even deeper.
No it’s because when she pulled me over she has a gun, and her emotions can make her shoot me any second
I think guns are more likely the reason.
Female cop can shoot you and face zero consequences, pretty much anytime anywhere for any reason.
Well, to be honest. She might get paid leave as a result.
Well isn't it the cases of most arrest ? I mean once you are discovered, they know who you are, if you resist ands escape, they will come back with more people anyway. Whatever your strength, you can't compete with the whole state.
If really you insist on resisting, they'll throw to you dozen of guys with guns and special forces like SWAT or GIGN.
So if you are not entirely stupid, you allow them to arrest you.
Interesting breakdown and take.
Have seen delusion when it comes to “mental strength” but never physical.
Girlfriend must be dumb.
You are focusing on the wrong thing.
Its more about what they mentally entitle themselves to. The guy was "beneath" her until she had her delusions wrecked. The type of combat / competition is irrelevant.
In addition, a lot of girls never have a physical confrontation at a younger age. Of course their view will be ignorant.
Not dumb but deluded.
The only real reason why this post has any upvotes is because people read the original relationships advice post AND your title. You have taken more of your time to hate on the guy than try and explain behavior.
Your attempt at dissecting a relationships post is extremely bad. It’s filled with hate and radical assumptions. While you do have some knowledge, you are nowhere near the level needed and thus have written absolute verbal vomit on the subject of relationships.
Let’s try and think for a second now.
OP met someone in college. You assume that this happens just before the CC or right after because COLLEGE BAD FOR LTRS.
To make such an assumption you need to have more context, like is the college Florida State University?
OP let his girlfriend win in play fighting. You assume OP is a very blue pill beta male for letting his girlfriends win because this is an act of not asserting dominance.
It’s called playing a game. Relationships are a long term game. We all play games. Beating someone obviously inferior in every competition does not make you an alpha, it makes you unaware of your social surroundings and someone who isn’t fun to play with. Also it’s wrestling, which obviously leads to sex. Is it blue pill that OP let her win EVERY time? Maybe. But should OP win every time? Fuck no.
OP says he lifts weights occasionally and is strong. You translate this to OP goes to the gym 2-3 times. Radical. Far fetched. Out of your ass. Unnecessary.
OP talks about height and size. All you do is mention that they are the same size. Will you point out something wrong or something right with that? Otherwise unnecessary.
OP (175lb) wins against GF (165lb). You tell your audience that even though OP is way less athletic, he managed to beat his girlfriend. Well, weight and athletic performance are connected, you know. And OP did mention going to the gym. How did you assume his athleticism? You are hating on the guy. This is blue pill.
I will skip to your TLDR.
Skinny fat male (5’10 at 175) with minimal lifting experience (who told you that?) and lack of athletic background (assumptions not backed up to prove a point does not make it stronger) completely DESTROYED his girlfriend (he just won a wrestling match bro).
The original post is interesting. Your title is interesting.
Your post is dreadful. Your post is bad content.
Yeah pretty spergy too, no social IQ. Even rats “understand” the social interaction of play fighting. Larger rat will let the smaller rat win 40% of the time instead of 0% for the sake of continuing play.
Finally someone with a brain read this. You wrote exactly what i thought reading this.
Op sounds like a sperg.
Ah, calling eachother names again, good job TRP
I prefer the term autistic. Explains the social ineptness.
We're here to learn aren't we?
Being condescending to different levels of skill will do you no good
Fair point, though i find the op to be condescending as well
I agree. It actually takes a lot of confidence and self-discipline to let her win. You fucking don't go all-out on a woman. Period. End of discussion.
175lbs at 5'10 is heavy. What if he was only 125lbs, would he still have been able to beat a 170lbs adult female who plays volleyball and presumably lifts weights?
I train MMA and actually have a few amateur MMA fights and a pro record in K1 Kickboxing. I am predominantly a kick-boxer and my grappling SUCKS!
We have a female BJJ brown belt who has a very high opinion of herself and prides herself on “tapping” men (I had seen her bullying new trainees and a lot of the other women).
I’m not confrontational generally and she weighs maybe a bit above half what I do (my non fight weight is about 235lbs). She starts calling me out constantly to “roll” with her.
Again, my grappling is GARBAGE!
Finally I agree. She really thought that belt gave her magic powers or something. After a bunch of shit talking to me, which I never reciprocate, we started. She learned quickly that all that technique, and even her magic belt, doesn’t mean much against an opponent that can literally lift you overhead with one hand.
Now she just badmouths me behind my back. “He’s just brute strength, he has no technique and he fights like an asshole”.
This story has no real point except another example of a woman who drank way too much Feminist Kool Aid
Damn... how many times did you tap her?? Did you confront her after she talked shit?
We only went a couple times but she literally tapped once from my putting her in a side control and just putting my weight on her to prevent her air intake. The other time she got me in a fancy arm bar from her back. Which would generally work against an opponent who couldn’t literally lift her entire body with that arm.
I don’t see any point in responding to people’s bullshit generally. People know who I am, they know she couldn’t beat me, and confronting her would accomplish nothing beyond making my gym awkward.
She thought her affirmative action brown belt was equal to a man's, forgetting the fact that she has the anatomy, physical strength and speed of a 14 year old boy and that 14 year old boys aren't even allowed to become blue belts.
On the other hand it's hard to realize you are a fraud when whiteknights constantly simp for you and pretend you are a badass in the hope of getting a crumb of pussy.
In all fairness to her BJJ doesn’t really do the “affirmative action” thing that more traditional martial arts have fallen into to increase their enrolments. There are requirements for belts and I haven’t seen evidence that women get their belts without meeting them, especially at that level. My point was not so much that she didn’t earn her belt or that she shouldn’t be proud to hold it. My point was that she forgot that there is gender separation and weight classes for a reason.
As long as young teen boys aren’t even allowed to test for those belts, women being awarded them is a bullshit double standard.
25 year old women are athletically on par to 14 year old boys. Even the athletic gap between 25 year old women and teen girls isn’t that big. Adult women are 25% stronger than 14 year old girls and 15% stronger than 16 year old girls. That’s without adjusting for weight class.
If a martial art claims a woman can be awarded a rank, it can’t exclude young teen boys and teen girls from that rank. If the idea of a 14 year old black belt sounds retarded, then so does the idea of an adult female black belt. Pretending women can fight creates all sorts of problems.
By your own logic, since me at 235lbs is going to be able to beat a 135lb man in combat, nobody fighting at 135lbs deserves to move up the ranks or should even train. “Pretending 135lb men can fight creates all sorts of problems”
Never seen a 14 year old that deserves a black belt for the record (maturity or technical skill wise), so I can’t comment on that. I’ve also never seen a woman in my fight gym get given anything they didn’t earn rank wise. Your rant has never really been my experience
Women at their athletic peak = 14 year old boys. This is a fact that isn't up for debate.
Even in highly technical sports like soccer or gymnastics (the common events at least) women are evenly matched by 14 year old boys and get destroyed by 15 year old boys. So much for women being more technical...
The minimum age for a black belt in BJJ is 19, right? You mean to tell me that no 14-18 year old boy deserves a black belt, but women do? Bullshit.
Yes, men are stronger than women......that’s why women compete against women and men compete openly. Technical skill can and is routinely trumped by strength so your equation of the 2 is just flawed llogic (the girl that I beat is much more technically savvy at grappling than I am). Lastly, handing out instructor and master ranks to children is part of what destroyed trad martial arts.
I’m sorry you, or whoever you sit around complaining about women to, didn’t get the belt rank they thought they were owed. The rules are the rules and they are applied evenly. Go join a Taekwondo school. if you have the money they’ll give you whatever colour belt you want.
Done here
One has to love that people who identify with the alleged party of science aren't keen on accepting biological realities.
Asserting dominance by wrestling? I find peeing on them works better.
Yeah, and guys are better at that, too.
that sounds like a foreplay to me
I’m surprised the OP’s gf wasn’t happy and more horny when she realized he was that much stronger than her...
Probably what happened anyways, but she decided to hide it because she's a cunt.
This is why Black Widow is a bullshit super heroine.
There was a local self defense for women instructor in my area that had gotten a bit of fame locally.
Her videos got uploaded to our local sub and I pointed out that she was being way too quick to try and take the fight to the ground.
That this could be really dangerous for someone that doesn't know what they are doing for obvious reasons.
1) You won't be able to bring down a 6ft 200 lbs plus but in one move.
2) She actually had plenty of leg muscles from triathlon training but her pupils didn't and would not be able to pin and dominate on the ground.
3) someone could have a knife in them and by putting your whole body on them your leaving yourself exposed to knife attack.
I was down voted to hell and call all kinds of things. I just think that her training was going to get someone hurt if used in real street fighting but I'm the bad guy for pointing out the weak points in her strategy.
I used to do Judo when 13/14 yo. There was a 20 something woman at the club, average height and chubby.
When it came to ground work, I was giving away a lot of weight and still beat her on the regular.
Man. Street fighting is going to get anybody hurt. This isnt like in movies.
Real fighting is dangerous. If you wip their ass today, they come tomorrow with bro, guns & knifes.
If you do lot of street fights, you end up killed, injured or in jail. Likely to be combination of all 3 over time.
Serena Williams, an absolute Amazonian woman and probably the greatest female tennis player of all time, got absolutely stomped by some unknown guy who ranked like 150 in world tennis players.
People just don't seem to get it, by and large.
In fact Karsten Braasch ranked 203 at the time. And yet he crushed both Williams sisters, one after the other, without even trying or taking it seriously. He said they'd have no chance against any man ranked higher than 500.
Yeah but that's tennis. What if she got in a fight with a 125lb adult male? Could a man who was 125lbs and completely untrained still overpower her?
OK, you got me. Women are equal to men in strength. Well done slow clap
No I didn't say that. I was asking if a very skinny adult male could beat her in a fight? I'm guessing she's around 170lbs, so that would be a 45lb weight difference. Could the male still win?
125lbs is usually maulnojrished for a male. It's not malnourished for a female.
If the 125lb guy is a boxer or something, he would destroy her. If he isn't, I'd still bet on him. Testosterone is just too strong of a drug.
"I occasionally lift weights so I'm pretty strong".
I'm sorry but I cant help but laugh at that.
I know a 5’10 French, Parisian girl (who fits the stereotype of being loud, obnoxious and arrogant) who’s been doing tae kwon do for AT MOST 1 year. (Also a feminist).
She thinks she can beat up random men: even saying she could beat up me: 86kg 5’10 male who lifts. I just joked “go on then, beat me up”.
I tried explaining that strength can just over power whatever little technique she has and that strength does also matter but she didn’t get it: she also believed her training strengthened her so much so that she could stand toe to toe with other men just in strength.
I think girls who do martial arts (and perhaps anything physically intensive) even for a limited amount of time get this sudden but unfounded sense of arrogance and strength and think they can now go round beating up people taller, heavier and stronger than them.
Or maybe this girl just really fits the Parisian type of just being arrogant.
People in general dont understand strength. People always focus on cardio.
Yeah but that's because 86kg at 5'10 is pretty big. What if you were only 125lb. If a man was 125lbs and completely untrained, could he still overpower a 170lb female college athlete?
The author of the "misandry bubble" said 10 years ago that a global crisis was needed to end feminism. The crisis is arrived.
Not bad enough for changes to happen.
let's get back to this comment at the end of the year.
So she's a volleyball player but assumed she'd out wrestle him just because she plays volleyball?
If she had BJJ experience and he didn't she'd probably wipe the floor with him. Volleyball and wrestling don't really have transferable skills though.
She assumed she would win because she is a college athlete, so likely has a very strict regiment which involves lifting, whereas he is not that athletic.
Anyone with BJJ experience will wipe the floor with an untrained person in a no strikes grapple, of course. Not sure what the point there is.
She could be a gymnast, swimmer, handball player or soccer player... whatever it may be, and she'd still lose to an average guy despite that athletic ability and size.
Out of all the different types of girls you listed I think the one that would have the biggest advantage would be soccer.
You would have stronger leg muscle and be able to take more attacks on your legs.
Still I don't see the strongest female soccer player being able to spar anywhere near the average male.
Personally doubt it, I found those techniques quite useless in the past. Yes, there are some pretty nice holds that you can hold a much heavier opponent in. But if your opponent just locks his joints in place and isn't weaker than you, I haven't seen it work ever.
Strength, length of arms, mass ... that shit is too important. Yeah, if you execute your technique right you stand a small chance, but if you don't it's an automatic loss.
Edit: Holy shit , what is it with the white knighting? Or the BJJ fanboy'ing? Obviously any martial art that wants to take shit to the ground is completely useless in a real fight because you're hardly ever alone in a fight. That's why martial arts like Krav Maga exist. BJJ may be a little more useful than JJ or Judo but still, it's just not made for real fights.
That just isn't true at all. Join a BJJ class. You'll find even 5ft men with experience dominate 6 footers
Edit: it won't work if an opponent just "locks his joints in place"? That really is one of the most stupid things I've heard in a while.
...in a BJJ class where everyone is doing BJJ.
He meant that small guys with more experience/rank can outperform bigger guys without training or who are pretty new still 🙄
Yeah, but in a completely irrelevant scenario because it has no real life application: When BJJ techniques are all that is allowed, obviously the guy with the better BJJ techniques wins. That's what I meant ...
Yep, precisely.
I suggest u/BhiQ42 sign up for a trial BJJ class. It will be an eye opening experience for you.
I saw what 1,5years of BJJ class do that's enough for me :D
As a person who has done judo/bjj for 5 years now religiously, I can say that strength and technique are two sides of the same coin. Excess of strength can make up for a lack in technique and vice versa, but both are just as important. There is a reason why weight divisions exist. That said, as a 150 lb 5'10'' guy, I find myself reguarly tapping out bigger guys, like 230+lb dudes with years of experience. So it's not set in stone.
It's like saying you could beat Lomachenko or some Muay Thai champion because he is only 5'6 and 130 lbs. He would knock you out in 15 seconds even if you are 6'5 220lbs I guarantee it.
No shit but then look at a 6'5 guy with 75% the experience as him. The bigger guy would kill him.
There's a reason why there are weight divisions
Very true also but an untrained guy has no chance
We're talking about Women who do BJJ, not sure what you are talking about? Obviously not, don't be retarded.
Get to roll with a brown belt woman and come back at me with your nonsense noob
I have been meaning to do that with a chick who has been spouting the same nonsense at me beause just like in OP's post, she apparently has "defeated" basically every Martial Arts instructor in the area.
The thing that is holding us back : How would you do this in a realistic manner ?
Spoken like someone who has never stepped on the mats. How naive you are to you own vulnerability...
Spoken like someone who thinks that things that happen on mats transfer to real life. How naive you are to your own vulnerability.
You'd get annihilated by a female with BJJ / MMA experience.
Don’t bother with the “muh BJJ goddess” types. 9 times out of 10 they are pathetic femdom cucks projecting their retarded emasculation fetish. In BJJ 14 year old boys can’t even become blue belts and that’s all you need to know to realize that women’s affirmative action BJJ belts don’t mean shit.
whats more important in your opinion, strength or length of arms and height? What i mean is let's say a 5'5 165 lb guy who squats 500 lbs, deadlifts 600 and benches 350 (basically a national level powerlifter) gets into a fight with a 6'2 210 lbs guy who squats 315, deadlifts 405 and benches 225 (basically a regular chubby gym bro who does 5x5). both untrained in martial arts. Who would win in your opinion? this has always been a riddle to me but i would like to know what others think.
Honestly, in that case it's probably luck and who got into more fights in his life.
I played college baseball at a SEC school. I was dating a girl on the women’s basketball team that was/is a top 10 program and regularly in the top 5 in recruiting. With you usually athletic banter we ended up setting up a 5 on 5 game in the open gym with 4 or my teammates and 4 of hers. She was the 6/7th player on the team but she elisted their top 4. I grabbed who was around and one of the guys happened to be a second team all state point guard in high school. The rest of us were college athlete but not really big hoop guys. It was brutal. They quit at 18-3. Their PG couldn’t put it on the ground without getting picked. They couldn’t rebound. We were sloppy but when you get 80% of the rebounds it doesn’t matter. They regularly practiced against guy managers but the guys were all under 6’0 and were going 1/2 to 3/4 speed. You could see their faces were sinking and they grasped the gap. We had this goofy, gangly 6’5 relief pitcher that 360 dunked and they just walked off.
This reminds of my school days.. There was this basketball player, extremely fit. Thicc would be a better word in fact. I used to be a scrawny kid, she was definitely heavier than me. She challenged me up for arm wrestling. I let my knuckle almost touch the table and yet she couldn't finish me. Then from that position I instantly finished her off. Lmao the face of her entire female squad of athletes.
Had almost the same thing happen to me. I'm 185cm, 80kg i do boxing and lift. My friend is like 155cm and 45-55kg, she is in martial arts and challanged me to a fight. You can guess how it went, i didn't even use 40% of my strenght because if i hit her hard i'm going to jail for murder. When i let her hit me she said ow, you're hard. Feminism is destroying women's perception of men, somehow they think we're weak and dumb.
Yeah but that's because you're almost twice her weight so that will obviously happen. What if the man in the OP was 50lbs lighter? If the man was 125lbs and completely untrained, could he still overpower this 170lb female college athlete?
I have a relatively simple solution to this. Go to the gym with your girl. Mine loves those workout bullshit classes but occasionally I'll show her a lift or machine if she asks. I've literally seen the look of shock on her face when she sees how much myself (and men in general) can load up on a machine or press. For fun I tried to get her to simply move the leg press an inch with my current set on it...she couldn't budge it. For what it's worth guys, there are still datable girls out there....but IMO only about 10%. If you're not a top tier male then you're better off not saddling yourself with some mental patient. I'm not saying this as some wise sage, I just got lucky genetically. 6'5" white, decent looks, and intelligence.
I was just telling someone today that I travel to Asia a lot and my GF is Japanese, and that I much prefer Asian women because while they are equally good at business and smart and confident and equal in every way, they adore me for my masculinity. American women are always competing with you to be the guy. Asian women will hold your hand and put their cheek against your shoulder and just adore your physical strength. American women are depressed if they cannot beat you in a fight.
I met my GF while in Costa Rica and came back and broke it off with my American GF because I discovered in those few first days how much more awesome a relationship could be than what I was used to.
i personally find this post quite cringe
youre basically mocking children for being naive and simultaneously spamming red pill terminology
what is the higher purpose of this thread? to point out things we all know? that girls dont know how weak they are until they test themselves and fight? that goes for guys too!
He wants to humiliate them while simultaneously feeling superior and good about himself. He's also educating some people here I suppose. But I don't understand how it's supposed to help us in our quest for self-improvement?
I saw that on the thread and died laughing. The replies were full of girls who had they wool pulled from their eyes as well and how "it shook them"
They've wrecked society. The lizard people I mean. Wink.
Yup, the difference is significant. When I started BJJ it took me 3kk of practise to win purple belt women in my bjj gym...or that was the first time I first sparred with them. Dont know if I could have won even earlier.
To their defense I was bulked up 240lbs back then and they were around 165lbs. They had no chance when Ive gotten down basic mat movement and few basic locks/chokes and not do stupid mistakes.
Against similar weight purple belt men I had no chance until I had trained about 1,5-2 years and even then I couldnt win but the sparring was somewhat toe to toe.
Ofc there is also technique involved here so strengthwise you cant do direct comparisons.
BJJ has very specific rules.
You might get rekt by purple belt women on the mats, but if strikes or kicks were allowed and it becomes MMA, you would easily win if you actually tried.
Sometimes i think BJJ also gives false confidence. How many women walk around thinking they can destroy untrained guys just because they do it in class with highly specific rules? Allow strikes and kicks and the guy would win.
Your Male physiology becomes more relevant when strikes are allowed. It's why you never see intergender striking, whereas its not uncommon to see intergender grappling.
Yup, but just to be clear. My point here was that i could beat a purple belt woman but I didnt have a chance against purple belt men of the same weight class. I just couldnt overpower them with pure strength and mass even tho I had 60lbs over them.
But yeah, I somewhat agree with you when it comes to striking. Alltho purple belt woman will destroy an average sized guy in grappling anytime. Obviosly I wasnt an average guy when I started bjj because of my size and I had background of years in sports, martial arts and lifting.
Point understood.
Guys your own size who are trained will always beat women who are trained.
Yeah they would beat an average guy in grappling for sure. But if strikes are allowed, I'd favour the average guy on the street. There was that scientific report on reddit a few weeks ago which found that the average guy punches 162% harder than the average woman, including female athletes.
If she cross trained some striking art though, then I'd favour her. But with just BJJ, I wouldn't.
Yeah, btw what does that 162% mean:
Woman punches with a power of 1.00 and a guy punches 1.62...or 2.62?
EDIT: Funny that someone actually downvoted this. It depends of the context what's the answer and personally I have no clue if average dude hits almost twice or almost thrice harder than a woman of similar weight.
He punches 2.62x harder.
I'd say 2.62 but I have to see the study
"I don't train for the gym, I train for the streets" yeah sure dude. A woman with a purple belt in BJJ from a good gym will submit 95%+ of untrained men in the street or elsewhere. The whole point of BJJ is the use of leverage and technique to level the playing field between smaller and heavier opponents. Furthermore many BJJ techniques like armbars can play to women's natural advantages of strong legs and asses and lower centers of gravity. Purple belt women vs untrained man, I'll bet on the woman 9 times out of 10.
And FYI if you're in a ring or enclosed space with a purple belt BJJ practicioner and you think you can keep them off you through striking...lol.
A guy who is a purple belt? Sure. I'd bet on him. But a woman? I'll bet on the guy.
Men punch far harder than women and have longer arms. 99% of women who train BJJ ain't gonna train strikes. And the ones that do, ain't gonna be doing sparring with strikes..
It's not "average man vs purple belt", its average man vs woman.
Your video is also nonsense. That's an MMA fighter. She likely trains strikes and has fought dudes in sparring who punch her. Most female purple belts who only train BJJ, will not be prepared for punches, let alone punches from a man.
A Brazillian female MMA fighter is not the same aa American Stacey who has a purple belt in BJJ. The latter is atypical of most american female purple belts and she likely hasn't trained striking. She's the all american girl who wins BJJ comps and doesn't do real MMA sparring.
If you think your local female BJJ purple belt can avoid a punch from a bigger guy without any strike training, you're delusional.
So GTFO with that BP feminist nonsense.
Big guys punch significantly harder than small guys but if that small guy knows BJJ and the other guy doesn't, they're going to get destroyed. See: early UFC for proof. "I punch harder" doesn't make a difference if somebody else's strategy is to come in low, get their arms around your waist, drag you to the ground, and strangle you to death, which is all BJJ is.
This just reeks of somebody who hasn't ever fought in a competitive or real-life context. If somebody wants to take an untrained or even a trained person down, especially if that somebody is a BJJ purple belt who actually studies self-defense takedowns, they're going to do it.
You have this narrative that men > women in all scenarios. This is simply not always the case. The fundamental purpose of Gracie self-defense is to use the physics of leverage and skill to overcome opponents who are bigger and stronger than you are. Join a BJJ gym. It might help with your humility :)
Again, there's a big difference between a small man and a woman. A small man is still far stronger and more durable than a woman of the same size. Men have more dense muscles and twitch muscle fibers, so they can tank punches.
That small guy who does BJJ? I'd bet on him to tank punches and then take the guy down. But a woman? A punch could kill her. Men already punch 2.62x harder than women, couple the fact that men have longer arms and are faster, he is going to land a punch.
Most fights go to the ground, but most in most fights punches are thrown BEFORE they get to the ground. A woman who trains BJJ and nothing else isn't equipped to deal with that.
Using early UFC as proof is dog shit. Firstly, it's not relevant because nobody here is arguing striker > grappler. I'm well aware of grappler > stiker. What I'm arguing is that men > women, especially if that woman has never trained striking.
How is a woman going to "get low" and take a guy down without getting hit? She's going to get tagged with punches before bringing a guy down. A guy could tank those punches, but a woman likely couldn't.
Also, why do you keep posting links of women beating men in grappling? Nobody here is arguing that women can't out grapple men. Learn to read. The argument is that women are FAR more vulnerable to strikes than men are
Here is Lucia Rjiker, the world's greatest undefeated female kick boxer, getting KTFO by a no name man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2QgDWSfQik
Women are less durable against punches and kicks. A woman who has never trained strike defence isn't gonna not get punched at least once or twice. A woman who is an MMA fighter ? Sure I'd bet on her against the average guy. But if shes a chick who only does BJJ comps (i.e. the majority), she's gonna lose.
I've also trained MMA, and been in real fights, so I know what I'm talking about. You just seem to be a BJJ nerd.
Gracie BJJ is also not well equipped to help prepare a woman for a striking man. The only way to truly learn how to avoid punches from a man is to cross train contact sparring in either boxing, muay thai or kick boxing. You cannot just learn how to avoid punches with drills.
If you're in MMA you should know striking your way out of a takedown doesn't work. You need a sprawl or other more advanced takedown defenses because bare hands lose to bull rushes almost every time. Especially bare hands - if you hit somebody on the top of their head while their chin is tucked and they're charging into you, your hand is going break, their skull isn't. Your tiny finger bones lose vs skull plates, male or female.
I'm not really here to try to reason you out of positions you didn't reason yourself into. You are convinced the random untrained man can outfight a woman with 5-7 years (assuming purple belt) of experience in one of the most effective martial arts on Earth that specializes in leveling the playing field against bigger and stronger opponents. To me, that isn't rational, and anecdotally speaking I see random untrained men (or "trained on the street" lmao) get their asses handed to them by women 75% of their size almost every day.
I love when my girls ask to see a display of my strength. One of my favored questions, you think you can " lift that" "move that" "open that". we be like superman to the girls that know our strength
Failing a shit test man. Proving your strength or whatever is a no go. Smirk and move on, tease her that she's weak. If you regularly go to the gym and lift heavy, and she knows it, you don't need to prove shit. Makes your ego feel good
Women get shocked, sometimes literally, when they realize how much stronger a weak man is.
But want to get shocked yourself? Wrestle against somebody that lift. Or a Judo/JiuJitsu amateur. Blue-Belt, the second lowest belt, go ahead, choose a skinny one.
He not only will beat you, he will do it while not even breathing heavily. Take it easy, you could injure yourself, vomiting from the effort is common.
The difference in strength and endurance between a trained man and a non-trained skinny-fat man, is the same or bigger than the difference between a man and a women. You won't believe how stronger you can get with training.
I had a girlfriend who honestly thought she could beat me in a real fight. She was kind of a big girl though so maybe she could. I nearly threw my back out lifting her up once. Big boobs tho.
Fun Fact: Height is a huge indicator of high sexual submission in females. HUGE. It kicks in at 5'7" - 5'8" and by 5'10" is a lock.
That and she's probably trying to figure out why she's suddenly so horny.
Pro Tip: Never let your girlfriend win at wrestling. They don't really want to. All my girls are sexually submissive. A couple of them like to "wrestle" me but they understand that, to me, they are little kittens. They just like being dominated by a strong, desired male. So when I pin them, or lock their wrists using only three fingers, they get all moist and say, huskily, "So now I guess you can do whatever you want with me." Girls can be a tough read, but some signals are LARGE PRINT.
Further reading:
Uncle Vasya’s Guide to Submissive Women
-How to lead when she wants to follow.
She’s not an athlete because she does volleyball. That’s cardio; she probably doesn’t have massive strength gains through that.
But bro my gym has women out lifting men all the time. If she trained harder than him to be stronger she could easily pin him down. Overall men have potential to be much stronger, but you’re pushing a narrative with this post that doesn’t really prove anything. Making him look weaker than he probably is, making her seem stronger than she is. Who cares about this guys dumb post in the first place.
Women have, on average 60% of the upper body strength of men. If your gym has "women outlifting men all the time" then you are going to the world's most statistically fucked up gym.
With the exception of a few small beginning males, there are not going to be any men that are being outlifted by women.
I was big into weightlifting for well over a decade. I went to the gym every day. I never saw women outlifting men. I saw plenty of women that lifted weights and were in great shape, but they would bench, squat, etc... much less than any guy there.
I remember one woman that was a major gym rat, and was stacked for a woman. The most she could bench press was the bar with a 45lb disk on each side. That is beginner stuff for guys.
It’s a powerlifting gym. There’s women out lifting men who aren’t taking it seriously all the time. Like I said men have the potential to be significantly stronger as we all know, but don’t underestimate women’s strength ability, it’s surprising.
The ratio in my gym is like half of dudes taking it super seriously, 90% of the women there taking it super seriously and then the other half of dudes just perpetually Fucking around. The women can completely out lift those dudes.
Big big difference between a woman having good leverages for a particular lift and being able to handle a man in a fight. I competed in powerlifting for decades and know some of the top women in the sport. An average high school male would destroy them in a fight, and they wouldn't argue otherwise.
Yeah? Fair enough then. I’m just basing it on numbers.
What kind of gym do you go to? Lol
Often at my gym I see those female bodybuilder types, with huge butts and deep voices that reveal they are clearly not natty, and they squat... 70kg. 80 something kg was the most I've seen a woman squat. Hell, my 5'8" ass could squat that amount in my 3rd month of training.
Let's not even touch bench press...
If you play Volleyball at a College level, you are in fact an athlete, just a collegiate one. D1 athletes have to undergo strength training as part of their routine, even the female athletes. This involves lifting.
The point is she could be a gymnast, swimmer, soccer player or whatever, and she would still lose without self defence training to the average guy.
I've rarely seen women outfit guys at the gym. What gym do you go? Lol. Every gym I've been to usually has guys lifting way more.
Being overpowered in a wrestling match with a tall collegiate athlete woman?
....Sounds kinda hot not gunna lie
Wtf is this point of this post? Anyone who doesn't know that men are stronger than women stands no chance in life and anyone who needs to wrestle his girl to prove to her that he's stronger isn't a man.
Yeah but what if the man was 50lbs lighter than the one in the OP? 175lbs is heavy for 5'10. It's over 25 BMI. Now if the man was 125lbs and completely untrained, could he still overpower this 170lb female college athlete?
Most likely, but honestly if you're 125lbs you're more child/woman than man. 175lbs is definitely not heavy and BMI is a crap measurement.
Skinny fat?
Yup, exactly this.
Even the most out of shape guy can hold his own against a women that’s not only in shape, but is Ronda Rousey-esque in aggression and strength.
Take two people (male and female), with literally EVERYTHING being the same with no variables and have them wrestle 10 times.
The guy would stomp 9/10.
It’s biology. We have testosterone.
No matter how much a woman trains, her bones and ligaments will remain frail as fuck. It's a fucking joke even entertaining the idea of female fighters when you can just grab a woman's wrist squeeze/twist it and it's fucking over.
That’s why BJJ was invented as an equalizer. But in a fair fight... the result is obvious.
And if the guy knows BJJ too... well... that girl is screwed.
The thing is that martial arts are supposed to be about the strong utilizing techniques in order to beat the stronger. When they start claiming that weaklings can easily beat the strong, martial arts become a fraud. This mentality is sadly very pervasive.
It is very easy to injure a woman. Female wrists/forearms, pelvis and knees are incredibly fragile and don’t get any sturdier with training (not without anabolic steroids anyway). A woman can’t equalize a man squeezing her wrist into a pulp or kicking her in the pelvis/knee or kneeing her in the ribs.
The only fighting advantage women have over men is that most men tend to be reluctant to hurt them. If the man is an equal rights/equal lefts type of guy, the woman is fucked unless she is an extreme outlier.
To be fair a few years ago a fat friend of mine with moobs beat me at an armwrestle even though I was in the gym and fit, but he was taller and heavier than me. Call it a cope but I think his technique was better than mine as well
Arm wrestling doesn't really prove anything. A slight difference in arm length or starting position makes a huge difference because the muscles that make the movement are really quite small. A tiny adjustment means that far bigger muscles, like the biceps and pecs can be brought into play, and these can easily overpower the small and weak shoulder muscles that were designed to make the twisting motion required.
Being able to bench your own body weight for someone to goes to the gym to just be active and “not want to bulk” is average but to the average fortnight and gamer is pretty strong. Go figure.
The Natural Order in action. Thats why the men were hunters.
It's the fault of Hollywood more than anything else.
This post is not about sexual strategy, who gives a fuck about feminism influencing society..
Just look at literally any world record in any sport, especially lifting.
Marvel movies have inspired a generation of dilusional women. If all the men actually tried the world wouldn't exist in movie one.
175lbs is heavy for 5'10.
I would like to know if a 125lb 5'10 male could beat a woman who is 180lbs 5'9 who lifts regularly and has high numbers for bench/squat/deadlift?
What if that woman takes steroids, could he still beat her? (not huge quantities of steroids - just the amount a high-level crossfit athlete would take)
How sad that reading this I’m so scared that this young man will get an assault charge just because of his GIRLFRIENDS delusion. And no joke I’m half way through dreading that this dude is in the college office getting disciplined and the title 9 section of the college handbook read to him.
The average man doesn’t weigh 125lb and the average female college athlete isn’t 170lb.
To answer your question, did you miss the point of the post?
This thread made me remember when Dana White and Ronda Rousey were pushing to try and arrange a fight against Floyd Mayweather.
They asked Floyd if he was interest in the fight and he replied "Ronda Rousey? I've never heard of him"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKIaEw4Hmc
Em, why you suddenly assume that he just was in a gym only a few times? Many guys who actively lift weights still stay skinny fat even after bench press 100kg or more. Have you ever seen powerlifters? Many of them are far from being ripped.
If he is skinny fat at 80kg then he isn't really a "small" guy and his height is a little bit above average as well. In comparison, his girl is very tall and big (for a girl), so she probably still can win the untrained guy who is less than 60kg or just fat without any training. Still doesn't change the fact that at the same level of training and weight women are much weaker physically, but it doesn't mean that any man is stronger than any woman.
Being 5'10 tall and 175 lbs makes you overweight and not skinny fat. Maybe he lifts weights and maybe he has decent amount of muscle. Who knows?
Of course, this little factoid doesn't take it away that she got her ass handed out to her by her bf within seconds.
meh i am 5.10 about 175 a little belly fat but still can bench 225
You haven't demonstrated how this correlates to feminism. Sounds like it has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with the fact she thought she would always win because he continuously let her win.
She was surprised at his strength. The thread is full of 900+ comments from women who while admitting the strength difference, also admit just how surprised they were at the strength difference when they found out against their own boyfriends/male friends. This is the work of feminism.
But I seem it in the cartoons though!
I'm calling bullshit. I'm a christian, Republican, trump supporter, rugby player. I am not the typical redditor at all. But I know some rugby 5'10" girls who would destroy a typical guy.
This seems super made up to make OP feel better since he got his ass whooped by a chick.
The best women's soccer team (US national team) got destroyed by 15 year old boys in a match yet you think some random rugby girl can destroy men? Delusional.
He is pretending to be a RedPiller. Check his post history.
Bloopies never cease to amaze me.
Down vote me if you’d like, but why would you need to assert your dominance on your girlfriend during wrestling. You’re the man, you’re the strong one, it personally just sounds insecure to me.
Have you not read the entire OP?
You have to do that from time to time, even if just to prove a point. Just so she knows who's in charge. That's leadership 101.
So you’re asserting dominance by wrestling your girlfriend and pinning her.
Your girlfriend is not a guy, you don’t need to assert dominance on her constantly. If you did everything right, she knows your dominant and the one in charge. It personally sounds like a douche move to me.
Bench presses 80kg and thinks he’s strong. Dear lord. I bench press 140kg at 6’1 and 87kg and think I’m average in strength