Men do not genuinely find average women attractive. They’re just able to fuck them.

DangZagnut · 2020-03-19T17:16:59+00:00

“Average” is subjective. What you find average isn’t what I think of as average.

Also it assumes what attraction is. I’ve find women that have specific personality traits as attractive.

diffdedbed · 2020-03-19T17:39:35+00:00

The average woman in the US is 5'4" 170lbs so yea, they aren't attractive, but I am not fucking that.

I honestly think the "average guy" isn't actually going for the average girl.

mangolover97 · 2020-03-19T17:50:05+00:00

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sadomasochrist · 2020-03-19T17:41:08+00:00

Men have wide arousal windows. This argument is absurd and not even logical.

They especially don’t find below average women attractive like many also claim.

You recognize they're simply below average, then think you have a point that "below average" isn't attractive. Because...

Having a high sex drive, low disgust, and and the ability to get an ego boost from simply fucking a girl, men are more than willing to have sex with these non-attractive women.

Guess what, men fuck women. So if men are high sex drive, low disgust and get an ego boost from it, below average women are attractive enough.

That's why men have the boner test. Whether or not a woman is attractive is easily indicated by a man's ability to readily get erect.

Whether or not you'd bring her out in public is only about whether there is a consensus that this woman is attractive.

So what you're trying to debate is the delta between a consensus of attraction and what men will sleep with.

And guess what, if everyone says a girl "isn't attractive" but most men will sleep with her, which one of these things do you think is more true in reality?

Are you going to bet on people's actions or what they say or what they pretend.

Just like everyone showed that when it comes down to it they'll hoard essential supplies even though everyone thinks they're a good person, when it comes down to it, attraction is simply that, are men attracted to her, would or will they pursue her for sex.

Olympic gold mental gymnastics.

Barely-moral · 2020-03-19T17:22:47+00:00

Nah. You are messing with the definitions. "Attractive" and "fuckable" are the same thing for a man.

I give you that a woman can be attracrive/fuckable and not be beautiful. That is what we mean when we say that men can find average women attractive. We know they are not beautiful, they are attractive. That is enough.

Men very often mistake attraction for wanting to use said person as a fleshlight.

Not a mistake. One and the same.

Mimoxs · 2020-03-19T17:24:04+00:00

That's fair. I think a lot of times men will flatter women by telling them they find them attractive but in reality these are the same men that could cum to a picture of geometric shapes or a houseplant if they tried.

But I'd also say that they don't necessarily find attractive women attractive. In the end the desire to mate is the desire to mate - they can recognize women are more or less attractive, but I think a lot of times desiring an attractive woman is an ego boost just as much as it is a desire to fuck.

almostufcfighter · 2020-03-19T18:13:48+00:00

Bullshit.

I rather settle down with average women rather then date AAA+ women. Average women usually not egocentric bitch.

10/10 women usually mean I A-M V-E-R-Y V-E-R-Y E-X-P-E-N-S-I-V-E nowadays. Most of my female 10/10 friends are very lonely actually because of this.

dylang92 · 2020-03-19T17:46:26+00:00

Well every woman is attractive to somebody, same for every man. Sure, maybe these plain janes and fatties aren’t attractive to the best looking guys, or most guys, but someone will find them attractive. It’s the same thing for average looking men, or short men, or balding men. Not everyone will be attracted to them, but someone will.

2020-03-19T18:58:37+00:00

Men do not genuinely find average women attractive. They’re just able to fuck them.

I disagree, and here's why:

for starters that's a blanket, absolute, and general statement; therefore inherently incorrect, hence wrong.
If we take your statement with some latitude, we also have issues:

A. The Chads and Tyrones of the world won't hit average women since they have plenty of access to above-average women.

B. Only above-average guys (but below the Chad/Tyrone level) will have access to average women

C. Average men have access to below-average women.

It is true that in many cases, but not all, a man who meets a new woman, would classify her as "relationship material" or "sex-only material" according to various characteristics which might - or might not - include looks (there are many other factors).

Women do the same, Hank Moody said it best: When a woman meets a new man, she put him into 1 of 3 categories

fuck him . . . OR
marry him . . . OR
ignore him

Rahim556 · 2020-03-19T20:00:50+00:00

Yep. Women marry and date ugly men, but ugly men will only use an ugly or average woman as a sex toy to be dumped. Attractive women are fleshlights to men, but ones requiring some level of effort.

Rarely, if ever has a man married or values someone uglier or equivalent to him, unless he was settling down. There is also the fact the fact most married men would cheat if their was no chance of their wife finding out

RahLyt · 2020-03-19T20:09:14+00:00

Projection...

Rahim556 · 2020-03-19T23:05:16+00:00

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majani · 2020-03-19T17:50:33+00:00

The way I see it, getting to the bang is the man's job, and getting to the commitment is the woman's job.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-03-19T18:54:57+00:00

That's not true. Men obviously find a wider range of women attractive than women find men attractive. Thanks to the internet, OKCupid data, and threads like this, we know precisely where the "men are pigs and shallow" accusations were stemming from:

Projection.

SILENTSAM69 · 2020-03-19T20:13:55+00:00

This goes against the available data.

thedeadpill · 2020-03-19T20:34:54+00:00

You just want to add her to your notch count. You just want to nut in her (and any other) vagina.

Not at all. There are plenty of average women who are attractive, and worth partnering up with, and cannot be reduced to the sum of their fun parts.

Honestly, you sound kind of bitter and misandrist, and there is plenty of evidence from regular common relationships to show that your assertions here cannot be universally true.

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cuntscab69 · 2020-03-20T01:19:00+00:00

I think everyone understands this deep down

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LillthOfBabylon · 2020-03-19T17:25:29+00:00

Depends on the guy. Some men are more shallow than others. Some men are more desperate than others.

passepar2t · 2020-03-19T17:33:05+00:00

I had a very intense fling with a very average-looking girl. Something about her looks and her personality (and her accent, hnnng) got me going, both sexually and affectionately. It only ended because she had to leave the country :(

Wallstreet3 · 2020-03-19T17:37:06+00:00

To be fair, your average woman weighs 170 but is 5'2"-5'4". If you suddenly get every woman below a BMI of 25, they all become physically attractive to me body wise.

CentralAdmin · 2020-03-20T00:32:01+00:00

Yes, you do get 'post nut clarity' aka 'cumming to your senses'.

But you're also projecting. You've basically described a man's experience of desire and turned it into something bad. Women often moralise men's sexual desire as evil because they cannot understand how anyone would want to sleep with multiple people without committing to any of them. I.e. solipsism.

Men very often mistake attraction for wanting to use said person as a fleshlight.

Men do make the argument here that women use men for their work and money. Women counter argue that when they marry the beta, they do love him. So you have to accept that some people are shallow and use each other. Most people do end up in relationships and sexual desire for each other makes that transition easier.

Men do not mistake attraction for using a person as a fleshlight because they need to feel some sexual attraction to want to sleep with someone. Once again, this is cheapening men's experience of desire as if being desired by a man is not worth much.

No one is saying being pumped and dumped is good. Even nice guys warn women about assholes who won't commit. But you're looking for shallowness among men that isn't there because women's standards are higher (and being moralised as better). Average women are attractive enough to fuck and date, as you can see from how many of them are getting laid and getting into relationships. Even obese women get sex, can do porn and get married. By comparison, very few women would even sleep with an obese man.

2020-03-20T00:42:50+00:00

Average men find average women attractive. Above average men don't.

In other news, the sky is blue.

weag5l · 2020-03-20T00:44:27+00:00

ROFL why don't we let men decide for themselves what they think is attractive.

bonusfruit · 2020-03-20T00:47:43+00:00

Hardcore reframing and redefining going on here. Degrading and reducing male sexuality to using women as fleshlights . Tiresome, predictable man-badisms. Nothing of value to discuss. The average woman and average looking woman receives more positive attention, flavors and basic humane treatment from men than most men can dream of getting from women, to say nothing of the sex related attention.

wateroclock · 2020-03-20T04:25:40+00:00

And you know this from?.. Oh, you aren’t even a man, you can’t understand, you can’t relate, you just fancy because there’s always room for insecurity. I genuinely can’t think of any other source for your conclusion.

retal1ator · 2020-03-20T06:36:01+00:00

You're projecting, and hard.

Me personally? I don't find all women extremely attractive, however I usually find most average women fairly attractive even if they are bland and below average in look, because I usually focus more on their positive qualities and not the negatives.

Men tend to focus on what the woman in front of them excels in.

Women focus more on what the man in front of them lacks.

Obviously, some very particular traits make me go crazy but that's another matter.

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-03-20T09:22:17+00:00

I think the thresholds for what is “average” for both sexes are skewed up of skewed down. Men will consider an average woman to be attractive before women will consider an average man attractive.

There’s also the tendency that men overrate women while women underrate men in terms of attractiveness.

brackenz · 2020-03-20T23:02:57+00:00

Average women get above-average men and still complaint

Average men don't get shit

No, you do not believe that plain woman is beautiful

Of course not, thats like saying a hyundai is a rare car when there are millions out there

you do not believe that fat woman is “sexy in her own way”

Of course not, nobody does, not even the fat women saying it believe that

You just want to add her to your notch count.

Not her, thank you

and sometimes you’ll wonder what the hell is wrong with you.

That happens to women too tho

DontNeedMuchMoney · 2020-03-19T17:26:31+00:00

Disagree. I can see objectively that my girl is average but to me she is extremely sexy, I think the difference is if someone has committed to you or not.

An average looking but commited girl that wants to go forward with you, That has a low n count (Or preferably was a virgin before you) and acts grateful for having you is 10 times more attractive than a pretty face that doesn't really need you.

sotodiefor · 2020-03-19T17:54:17+00:00

well if you only see womankind as an object.

Rahim556 · 2020-03-19T18:23:28+00:00

Nonsense. You don't understand how men see women and cannot see it from our perspective. We absolutely DO find "average" to be "attractive." For example, an "average female body type" (not slim, not toned, just average) is attractive to me, and to many men it's their preferred type.

Edit: I just saw the rest of your post that apparently I had missed. The part about finding a fat women beautiful in her own way, now we are talking about something different. I don't find fat attractive. No matter if it's the statistical average, that's not an "average female body type" that's an abnormal one (it's OVERweight). There are men who do find fat attractive though. But I wanted to clarify, that yes average is attractive to MOST (maybe not all) men. Fat will only be attractive to some (smaller minority.)

There are also different levels of attractiveness. And I'm not meaning average is just "fuckable," average is attractive.

Rahim556 · 2020-03-19T19:03:06+00:00

I also would like to state that other qualities can absolutely make a girl more attractive and even "sexier" besides her looks.

Example: as cliche as it sounds, personality. A super hot girl can become completely unattractive if she's a bitch or stuck up. And the reverse: an average girl can become super hot to me if she has a great personality (that lines up with what I like in a woman)

Also: sex/freakiness in bed can raise or lower points as well. I would prefer (by far) to sleep with a 6, or even 5 that was down to do whatever I wanted in bed and was enthusiastic to please me, as opposed to boring starfish sex from the top supermodel in the world

wtknight · 2020-03-19T19:12:56+00:00

I think that men are naturally good at finding the attractive qualities in an average woman and even the very few attractive qualities in a below average woman. Why? Because it makes their penises hard when they do. What I’m saying is that being able to fuck a woman and being attracted to a woman are essentially the exact same things to a man.

Having feelings for a woman is something different, though, and a man has to think she is hot enough plus like her personality for that to happen.

RRnn97 · 2020-03-19T19:40:38+00:00

Well, it depends. For me an average woman is basically all I can get unless I want a relationship where I'm just being used. Thus, I do find average women attractive. A chad that fucks 5 average women per day doesn't find them attractive likely. It depends on what you can get. Give a starving African a McDonalds burger and it tastes like heaven. Give the same meal to a rich dude with a private chef and he'll say it's disgusting. Individual men and women don't have the same standard for what is attractive.

GridReXX · 2020-03-19T19:52:36+00:00

For me to CYV I need to understand in your opinion what’s fueling the ego boost?

yuckyuck13 · 2020-03-19T23:35:26+00:00

Some men do this. The majority of men aren't superficial.

Notsonewguy7 · 2020-03-20T01:03:24+00:00

I think most of us make a distinction between the two. So I guess you are right.

Simp_Gulag · 2020-03-20T02:16:55+00:00

You can find something attractive about almost anyone if you want to

FluidInterest8 · 2020-03-20T03:12:41+00:00

Very true. We can fuck them easily. I’d rather not kiss them much though.

Bntt89 · 2020-03-20T03:21:17+00:00

You disproved your own point, do be able to do something sexual with someone you must have some level of attraction, that's how sexual attraction works. Guys are horny, if a guy can have sex with a women and be hard till he comes he obviously must be attracted to something during the time. How else would he be able to fuck her? What type of attractive? Sexual attraction of course, spending the rest of their life with them. Absolutely not, men cant be shallow because their sex drive doesnt allow them. They may be like ugh afterword but that doesnt change the fact that they literally rammed that girl till they could cum.

2020-03-20T04:05:26+00:00

Men are not a monolith.

SteveSan82 · 2020-03-20T06:58:53+00:00

If a woman has the right attitude and is feminine, I will find her more attractive than a physically attractive woman who has a shitty attitude . There have been quite a few women that on first sight I didn’t think much of but once we started talking, I”d grow incredibly fond of her and desire her sexually and have dumb fantasies of an LTR.

volchonok1 · 2020-03-20T07:34:40+00:00

Define what "average" is. Only then we can discuss if that "average" appearance is attractive or not.

richlad · 2020-03-20T09:13:15+00:00

Most women can be fucked sober. Some are digusting, it will require few drinks where fucking them becomes acceptable.

Look at Trumph, I'd not be jealous of him if he didn't have a beautiful wife. I am not jealous of his money or even his physique or looks. I am jealous because his wife is gorgeous.

I want same for myself, I already have.

Thing is other men's thrist for my girlfriend adds to my ego boost and male value.

zino193 · 2020-03-20T09:15:25+00:00

I think you don't need to be attractive - you need to be fuckable. You need to have the set of traits that get's the dick hard.

Go to France - women over there radiate sex. Go to Japan - very sexual women - but until you actually get 5 minutes into penetration - the culture is verging on asexual, to a pathological degree(non sexual maid cafe's are a thing.)

That being said - most people have no fucking clue how to seduce their desired partners. Our religious cultures have castrated the individual's ability to pursue sexually the people they desire. A necessary step in justifying marriage as the only solution for sex and ego validation.

This created generations of people that have a erotic intelligence verging on 0. That's why physical attractiveness is so important in blue pill society - you can be a corpse - you can be marginally retarded, close to black out drunk - but still be attractive physically.

0dineye · 2020-03-20T09:35:41+00:00

Being able to fuck them IS the attraction though. Let's say there was a world with NO sex. If that was the case, why care about women at all? The point is to find someone you like hanging out with that will help you orgasm.

Brave-Warthog · 2020-03-20T10:44:24+00:00

Well I'm a man and I guess I'm an outlier. I have a narrow band for what I'll sleep with. I don't care how hot a woman is if she is stupid. I won't bang stupid. If she speaks valley girl, out. Vocal fry, out. Nasaly voice, out. In terms of weight, if she looks like skeletor or does the obese waddling thing, out. Height doesn't matter to me. Job doesn't matter to me. Also has to have character (for LTR). I was raised by legal immigrants from a third world country. I saw them work two or three jobs a piece and get degrees, up to the masters level. I don't mess around. It is a culture thing for sure. But my brain is weird. If there is no mental attraction going on, can't bang the lady mo matter how strong they come on. Also, not a cheater. If I make a lady wifey, it is for a good reason. Otherwise, the boot. I also really have to dodge hoes and I've bailed on a number of them. My current woman has heard how women speak to me (working from home now) and she's like "These hoes want the d. All the time?" Me: "Yeah. I told you about this. Even when I say I'm in a serious relationship." Her: "Hoes don't care." So yeah, I could step out but don't. I live life hard (not a hard life). Involves playing for the endgame. Been doing that since puberty. So, yeah. Exception maybe.

Also, men are more diverse in their tastes than women. Guarantee it. Males as a group are more diverse than females as a group. Some dudes swear by the fatties, the tallies, the shorties. Some like Jolie face, others like Juno face. Some like pale, some like tan. Females are, generally speaking, far more homogenous when looking at most things (taste, views, iq, etc.). Hence why people are saying you are projecting.

longlifetired · 2020-03-20T14:06:18+00:00

Why spend even a half a millisecond thinking about this? How does this have any relevance of any kind? Im definitely hot, beautiful, sexy, okay, unattractive, fat, ugly, gross if you ask 100 different men. Why should i care about all men or some common consensus when im only dating, one or a few at a time? Whats the point of this sad shit?

Enosh25 · 2020-03-20T14:39:07+00:00

nah, this is just you projecting your feelings on men

poopiehands93 · 2020-03-20T15:51:37+00:00

Okay so for me personally, I'm able to fuck most girls. But there's been a case or two where I genuinely found an average woman attractive, and it wasn't until later on I realized they were just average. Which is kind of scary that your mind can trick you like that but I guess that's how marriage happens.

Throughawayman80808 · 2020-03-20T15:53:44+00:00

Men are not less shallow than women, definitely not. But they do find average women attractive enough to date.

ElGupo1978 · 2020-03-20T16:21:23+00:00

A plain woman isn’t ‘beautiful’ that’s why they say she’s plain. But she’s still a woman and women are beautiful to men period. Men are sexually attracted to women. If you’re not st8 out ugly or fat than you are sexually attractive to most men. You’re just jealous of the pretty girls who are able to dominate and control men through sexual manipulation.

If you’re not pretty you can’t be a selfish manipulative bitch , you actually have to be a good companion and friend to the men you fuck if you want a relationship out if it.

You don’t want a boyfriend you don’t want a relationship you just want an army of simps to fleece.

eboy4hire · 2020-03-20T17:42:36+00:00

I'm a guy and I think what's considered average can be very different from man to man.

AdolfGandi · 2020-03-20T19:25:50+00:00

I can't even really find the energy to pursue someone I'm not into whatsoever. What's the point?

shapeshifter2222 · 2020-03-20T20:23:19+00:00

This is the greatest thing I have read on this sub

daddysgotanew · 2020-03-21T02:55:29+00:00

Men do in fact find women with widely varying attributes attractive. Some of my favorite and best lays/flings were with dead average to slightly above looking girls.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-03-19T17:27:19+00:00

I personally find average women more attractive than hot women.

CVM.

Gabo9718 · 2020-03-19T17:38:02+00:00

How many times have we heard histories of a young nerdy guy who is trying to pair bond and start something with a nerdy young girl, just to be broke into pieces after she goes and spread her legs for Chad or Tyrone and friend zone him?? Of course you can’t expect that young men just to keep being an idiot forever, one day he’ll become a men and when that day comes, he is going to used that sexually liberated nerdy women just as Chad used them, because now he has the power, now the world bows at his feet.

Massgumption · 2020-03-20T03:54:54+00:00

You got it wrong, men find ALL women repulsive after sex because they realise they are unfunny, uninteresting and completely lacking any real individuality and how it was such a collosal waste of time (and money) for that one orgasm when they could've done something more meaningful with their life.

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