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FR/Discussion: Race and marriage

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January 13, 2020
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Before we begin: I don't really care who you get with, God is more important. I just wanted to put this out there as a cautionary thing.

This is a topic that's quite sensitive and I realize many in the present day church are inside interracial marriages and are mighty servants of God. But for a long time I've sensed that this is a topic that we shy away from, and as a result people are getting into relationships without deeply thinking about the long term ramifications. Which leads to unnecessary suffering, confusion and often regret.

As I'm sure a lot of us do, we have relatives who are half this and half that. In our situation, my side is fully European and the other is Asian/European. Their family is staunchly faithful, but the physical differences are glaring to say the least. We recently got together and I had a great time with them, but what stood out to me was the insecurity. They essentially have to make a choice about who they are and who they identify with. Most of them sway towards Asian culture/friends and some of them European, but it was sad when my younger cousin said that they "didn't quite fit in 100%".

Now I want to reassure everyone with the fact that race plays no role in salvation as explicitly outlined in the following:

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” - Revelation 7:9-10

But I love the diversity that God created, I love all my cousins and I love the different peoples. And because of this, I wouldn't join together in marriage with someone across racial boundaries.

Fellas, I strongly consider that the race you are born with is a gift from God and is not to be taken lightly, but to be treated with a healthy respect, while at the same time not idolized. There are many more reasons not to intermarry. It saves you so much unnecessary BS and most of all, you get to give your kids something that goes back centuries and has been consecrated by God. So no matter who you are or where you come from, be fruitful and multiply - wisely.


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Title FR/Discussion: Race and marriage
Author UpTanks
Upvotes 10
Comments 20
Date 13 January 2020 06:07 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]OsmiumZulu[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

Gents, many moderated online Christian communities won’t tolerate posts on controversial topics like this. That said, we aren’t your typical Christian community. If you want a “safe space” there are plenty of other subs here that will offer that to you, complete with complimentary tampons.

Keep it clean and on topic; this subject impacts many people and is worth discussing.

[–]Rifleshoot9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't believe there's a biblical basis for being against interracial marriage. It's ultimately up to your own choice. Me, I'm not attracted to black women in the slightest, but I do like Latinas and some asians. I don't see an issue with being with different races as long as I am abiding by God's rules.

[–]yagop16 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

First off, thank you for posting this. This was the kind of discussion I was looking for until getting banned from the degenerate r/Hapas. “In multicultural societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic and social interests, you vote in accordance to race and religion.” I love my incredible parents. My dad is a god fearing gentlemen who served American for over 30 years in the military and my mother was an extremely driven and strict but loving mother from Korea. Neither side of the family supported them and I grew up without knowing the natural racial bond I would see among my peers. Despite my mother attempting to instill her intense Korean patriotism in me, every Korean boy I tried to get along with bullied me and Tae Kwon do, although productive, was basically another way for Koreans to bully me. Other races were similar and joining the military myself did not solve my desire for kinship with others. As high IQ (which is arguably a made up measurement for Jewish supremacy) as the Korean people in America claim to be, they just can’t bring themselves to vote like smart people. During the LA riots, the Rooftop Koreans protected their communities. But that was a small portion of that population. It didn’t stop the Asian community from being pillaged and murdered by the other minorities. And yet, they STILL vote blue, (not that it’s different from the red side tbh) People keep forgetting we’ve had thousands of years of history conquering and being conquered. When our veneer of technology and “diversity is our strength”BS wears off, and a true Hobbesian scenario comes, people are surprised when all that happens is a violent struggle for tribal supremacy, which is only stopped when a hegemony emerges with the other tribes, being erased. What people ignore is the fact that, even in diverse peacetime, it is still a violent struggle. And it emerges in the form of the Jewish media monopoly, the rise of the Black Serial Killer, the children of the cartel being born in the US as citizens in their reconquista, (one of which I know personally, who serves with my wife in the military). Look at homogenous countries (that aren’t being colonized by China in Africa). They might have a lot of problems, but it feels downright boringly peaceful when I walk through Seoul compared to resorting to secretly being strapped in LA. And it’s really easy to see interracial murder and rape and think, “huh, you know, I wouldn’t be watching this Daily Mail cop cam video showing the post-rape blood of an eight year old white girl on the bed of black man who raped her after he kidnapped her from her own neighborhood, if we had racial homogeneity.” And the common response would be “well...well...that would happen regardless, you can’t lump everyone together based on blah blah blah” which is stupid. Because it would be much easier and more natural to defend a community and it’s children if that community had racial and religious roots. Both of which, have been torn up from the post WW2 Frankfurt schooling, creating a rift in all races, causing everyone (except the barbara lerner spectres) to lose their roots and communities, accelerating the Hobbesian crisis.

It was easy for me to give into anger, which, I have no doubt Satan finds is an effective tool to humiliate otherwise good people. Fortunately, god gave me a good gut punch and I converted back into Christianity. As a “hapas” I need to accept the fact that I can’t fully be an anglo guy or a Korean guy. So I HAVE to create my own roots, instill my countries patriotism to my kids, instill faith, and pass on usable skills. Not only that, it is on us RPCs to be a moral and physical force in our communities and STOP consuming hateful media. Sorry for the rant, had a lot bottled up. I am just reminded of a verse Dave Ramsey mentioned from the book of Timothy: “a man that doesn’t first tend to his own household is worse than a nonbeliever.”

[–]UpTanks[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Woah, thanks for posting this. Sounds like you had a tough upbringing, God bless you.

Yes, homogeneous societies are more effective and more internally peaceful. However, after a lot of reflection and prayer I found that the wisest route in this day and age was not bitter indignation at the state of the 'Anglosphere', but rather to focus on the fruits of the spirit in my life and simply live humbly to the glory of God. Even though sometimes I can't help but feel the tribal tensions building - as you described blowing up during the LA riots.

That's for the bigger picture, but as for the smaller picture I certainly think race does have some relevance in the union between a man and a woman. And as you and u/Niocs pointed out it can effect the offspring in many different ways. Which is why I'm trying to walk this incredibly fragile line.

[–]yagop10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree and I see that as the most courageous thing we can do with our cards, for which I am thankful. I feel bad for people I personally know who staked their marriages (or otherwise) on things other than love, because it’s not punishable to just one generation. It’s passed on. When a girl puts down men because they don’t meet a certain height, they’ve damned themselves with a short son. When a couple select each other based on racial fetishization, they’ve damned their children to the same thing, without knowing how to help them recover. I’m planning for starting on my first child this year. My wife is a Filipina and she is just so good to me and to the country. But I still worry about how our kids will turn out. Idk but best of luck to you.

[–]AlanNoles4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am white and my wife is black. Yeah, there are a lot of "cultural differences" but IMO it only becomes a problem if you let it become a problem. The hurdle I have made progress in getting over is it is OK if we think differently on issues, as long as we do not "attack" each other for feeling different. My wife is very liberal in her views and when I said something that does not agree with her worldview, "What I said could be perceived as racist or wrong."

For example, the topic of immigration. Her whole family on both sides immigrated here one generation ago for a better life in America.

We got into a debate about "the concentration camps" of illegal immigrants on the Texas border from people coming over illegally and she thought I was being insensitive about the issue.

Basically, what it came down to is I have my views and she has hers and I just left it at that. We were not going to change each other's opinions. IMO what is important is if you still have the same respect level for each other after the fact, and as the man, it is our job to monitor that in the relationship.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I believe that implying same race marriage as wiser is arrogant because it down plays the many upsized of being of a mixed background. Even as a Christian my worth isn’t built off of my ethnic background, my worth is built off of my being made in the image of God. It is unbelievably dangerous to assume that making life easier would yield as wiser when often times it is the struggles that equate to wisdom. This idea does a disservice to anybody with a mixed background because it adds more weight self worth in terms of race than it does with someone’s relationship with Jesus Christ. Now I know most people in here are conservative including myself but why would we now say that it is better to participate in same race relationships despite more people gravitating towards inter-racial relationships. Wouldn’t more people participating in multi-racial relationships increase the discussion and allow for better support for people who may be struggling ?

[–]UpTanks[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you for your comment. Your worth is not related to your race and neither is your salvation, nor does it have a bearing on how much God loves you. All I'm saying is that in order to reap the full benefits of your genes, often (not always) it might be preferable to stick within ones own racial group (or as close as you can if you are mixed).

If you are 'mixed', God bless you. If you are straight up Nigerian, God bless you too. I just wanted to put this post out there because race is such a massive issue and it absolutely deserves our deepest thoughts and loving discussion. If we are going to be effective witnesses, we need to be ready with an answer. Because the history of Christianity, Judaism and even Islam are all extremely racial - it would be disingenuous to ignore it.

[–]cdnrpc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

reap the full benefits of your genes,

What does that even mean? From a "genetic benefit" standpoint, it's good to marry someone who is genetically very different from you. This will reduce the chance of having overlapping heritable mutations.

That's why you don't marry your cousin.

[–]OrlandoTheAxe4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

There were race restrictions on marriage in the Old Testament, but I reckon that was more to prevent the Jews from marrying unbelievers than to maintain racial purity. Either way, those race restrictions no longer apply under the New Covenant, and wouldn't apply to Gentiles anyway.

 

As others have said, there are no applicable restrictions on interracial marriage in the Bible. However, if the preservation of your race, culture, and values is part of you mission, it makes sense to incorporate that into your criteria for a wife.

 

You're not wrong to think this way. European birthrates have fallen far below maintenance levels, while their homelands are being flooded, legally and illegally, by immigrants with much higher birthrates. They'll be completely replaced, both racially and culturally in the future. I think it's a shame for that to happen to any race.

[–]DoersOfTheWord2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

All marriages are interracial. You're really talking about cultural differences. I'd argue that most cultures are more "RP friendly" than Western culture. But you stick with white gender-fluid feminazies. For the kids.

[–]UpTanks[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

All marriages are interracial

Uhhhh chief?

[–]DoersOfTheWord1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm "white" but actual racial DNA is a mess of Scandinavian, Portuguese, and a smidge of African. Everything is a mix from a DNA perspective. All marriages are interracial.

[–]sywonsmumu[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interracial marriages come with what it is, but there’s no supporting scripture that deters us from interracial marriages. If you’re just not attracted to a race than that’s fine.

As for children, they’re going to have some issue in their childhood that makes them different. Your kids are already going to be set apart if they’re followers of Christ.

Marry the race you’re attracted to but pinning it on some identity, easier childhood, or culture thing sounds like a cover up for just wanting to only marrying within a certain race.

[–]Niocs4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

yes I agree, I was born to parents belonging to different cultures and it only causes problems for the child.

[–]DuffBude1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Different cultures only or also different races? My wife and I are both white, but while I'm American, she's from eastern Europe. Luckily we are both Catholic, but the cultural differences have been a cause for misunderstandings before. And I often wonder how our future kids (God willing) will handle.

[–]Niocs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

different cultures, but I think it's different in europe than in america. And it will be easier for your children there

[–]Deep_Strength1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's pros and cons to each.

It is true that there can be cultural and ethnic differences that can making things more difficult (and there are legitimate divorce concerns of interracial marriage as there is increased amount of divorces in certain populations), but those are minor in comparison to red flags like character and lukewarm faith concerns.

I've seen some cases where being a mixed family makes it much easier to evangelize and reach out to others, especially the liberal crowd whose idol is diversity. In any situation, God can use it for His glory.

It is wise to consider and pray about it. I'd estimate it's probably a minor to moderate yellow flag at most.

[–]alxjones1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

be fruitful and multiply. don’t be fruity and blow a guy.

[–]yagop10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like this is a bear quote, which is ironic given your username.



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