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What effect would legalized, widespread, and normalized prostitution have on the sexual dating market?

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March 24, 2020
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In Amsterdam there are areas where 30 mins of sex costs roughly 50 euros or about the price of a six flags ticket. If brothels were widespread, would this have any non-negligible impact on sex and dating?

I think there’s a bottom fifth, tenth, or maybe twentieth of men who cannot get laid. They’re usually some combination of ugly, short, socially-stunted, chronically depressed, reclusive, poor, and unable to maintain any sort of fitness routine. Lack of real sexual stimulation can cause these men to go to dark places. The bagel guy who’s completely insane provides as an apt example. With the decline of traditional monogamy, I think a good alternative for these maladjusted individuals is an affordable prostitute. In fact, I think affordable prostitution will balance out a dating market that is predominantly catered towards women. Normal guys would be like use them too. There’s a sliver of guys who can get sex without any sort of commitment. Most guys need to invest some kind of commitment to have regular access to sex. Those guys can also cut out the middleman of courtship and dating just to get a little screw once in a while.

I think it would make for a happier and healthier society. Most incels don’t actually want feminine companionship; they want to screw. They check out of society because they can’t screw in spite of their best efforts. This becomes their obsession. Legalizing and normalizing prostitution will go a long way in reducing the incel population to nil.


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Title What effect would legalized, widespread, and normalized prostitution have on the sexual dating market?
Author SMK-Kyle
Upvotes 87
Comments 166
Date 24 March 2020 08:42 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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[–]The1ndex41 points42 points  (5 children) | Copy

Dread. Having normalized prostitution at the drop of a coin can be used for dread. It would get her hamster spinning just a little bit more.

If prostitution ever made it to the point where it was cheap, safe, and abundant, I believe it would have a massive impact on the dating market.

There would be some percentage of top males who would use prostitution while they build their empire. These males wouldn’t be available in the dating market until they want a family. This would make a HVM even more valuable.

This would devalue pussy, and make it so women need to have more than pussy to attract a HVM.

[–]Gordon-G8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Exactly my thoughts. Need to legalize here in the states. Some stupid dudes will take out women for months dropping $100’s of dollars, many times never even banging her. It really is less expensive to use an escort and pay her to leave.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

In Europe, where prostitution is legal, we don’t go on Dinner Dates. Therefore getting laid is probably muuuch cheaper than at your place. It mostly only contains the entrance fee to a club and the cab fare to my apartment.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It mostly only contains the entrance fee to a club and the cab fare to my apartment.

and rubbers.

amen.

[–]Forsaken43212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nope it does not. Cheap safe prostitution available here in austria. It literally changes nothing except for you being able to fuck a hot girl for 100 €

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. Women don’t have to try hard for sex but they make sure that we DO have to try hard just to get sex. We need to even the playing field.

[–]M0rtAuxRois88 points89 points  (18 children) | Copy

https://search.proquest.com/openview/b197a6be41a239ae80ddac0efc6718fd/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=1576347

> Recently, researchers Scott Cunningham of Baylor University and Manisha Shah of the University of California, Los Angeles, estimated the real impact of decriminalizing prostitution by studying six years of legal indoor prostitution in Rhode Island, including data from massage parlors, escort agencies, and the online market. Examining local crime reports, health records from the CDC, and marketing for sex work from 2003 to 2009, they found that while the size of the indoor sex market in Rhode Island increased, reported rape offenses and female gonorrhea incidence declined.

Something like that. Fewer rapes, fewer incidents of STI's, fewer incels, fewer trafficked girls, etc. All seem like positives.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (6 children) | Copy

Blame the feminists. This isn’t me being some psycho-raging MRA or MGTOW. Feminism is about securing as many perks for women as possible in all spheres. Why they don’t protest reduced criminal sentences for women or how family courts are heavily biased in favor of mothers? Because these are perks for women. A lot of them are offended by the idea of going Dutch. They realize that the men who are willing to exchange commitment for access to sex would be less inclined to do so if a cheap lay was only a block away. I’ve noticed that the women in FDS, PPF, and GC are all on the bottom tier of women. They can get laid, but they can’t get quality partners, usually because they’re some combination of old, ugly, dumb, entitled, or fat. But they are shrewd enough to understand that their relationship material value would only decline if guys could pay a fraction of their paychecks to get with some of the huers down by the docks. Prostitutes would bring balance to the dating market by forcing these women to settle with their equals.

[–]Purplegetraenk3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism is basically hating men

[–]BlueMyLoad694 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wait, is prostitution still legal in RI?

[–]The_Turbinator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Curious too.

[–]TreatYouLikeAQuean3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I didn't read the article so forgive me but did it explain why fewer STIs?

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required kondims

[–]theabysshasgazed-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

The projections of lower human trafficking are irrelevant when legalized prostitution is actually associated with more of it: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986065

Driving down the price of sex is all well and good for greasy loser incels, but it isn't worth the human cost.

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[–]theabysshasgazed2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Bet you own all the pussy kiddo

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

i mean, check out his username bro ;)

" Driving down the price of sex is all well and good for greasy loser incels"

that's the reasons others are downvoting you, not the link, btw.

it's this judgy shameloaded comment that adds no value...

PS I've never paid for sex, but one of my friends, who is 8 figure networth, quarterly gets 2 incredibly hot pro's, for a night in NYC to treat himself for his "good for me" 3 way on the regular. he has no problems scoring chicks and is single and bangs a plenty in our home town, this is simply one of his hobbies. no reason it should be illegal.

[–]theabysshasgazed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not super concerned about the downvotes or the why of the downvotes.

What I'm getting at is that the types of people who support legalized prostitution irrespective of the consequences for the women being trafficked are losers who can't get sex without paying for it. The legal system shouldn't be built around serving the whims of the lowest common denominator.

Calling losers losers is judgmental, but life is a series of value judgments and semi-conscious weighing of costs and benefits. Running from the fact that we do so constantly or hushing ourselves and others up when it happens are the sort of passive-aggressive social niceties that prevent us criticizing people and things that should criticized be in the first place.

The argument I was responding to seems to be something along the lines of "legal prostitution benefits society in some ways". Except that one very major way in which it supposedly helps, it actually deeply harms. Even if legal prostitution helped STDs, incels, etc. do those benefits outweigh the drawback of increased human trafficking, morally speaking? If so, why is the suffering of trafficked young girls less important than the nuts of desperate men? How can we even weigh those variables, on a moral level?

Basically I think the moral argument for legal prostitution relies on utilitarian "greater good" stuff that breaks down under basic scrutiny. Another version of it is essentially an economic one that advocates for an unburdening of healthcare and legal systems, which is a difficult one to make, though I'd be curious to see the numbers.

Since the utilitarian argument doesn't work, it basically boils down to hedonism, which is amoral and all that, but I'll happily choose to judge as vile guys who are cool with human trafficking as long as they can bust.

Greasy af.

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[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (20 children) | Copy

Prostitutes literally strip thots of their powers. They are godsends.

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[–]Per_Horses614 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy

Betas and attention, that’s why

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[–]0newinged2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

No. Beta's are so bad nowaday that they just want contact with women. Why pay for a nude while billions of nudes are available for free? The idea of personal contact. "She send me this pic personally". Being too naive to understand that she sends the same pic to everyone who pays.

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[–]0newinged0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I doubt it would be hard to manipulate someone lonely enough to pay you for some attention. And if he leaves, there are legions of guys to take his place.

[–]leotard-princess1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Come on that was hilarious.

[–]Forsaken43212 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

It really doesnt. I can go to a brothel with really hot 9-10 for 100-300 per hour. Not changing anything about womens behavior

[–]PUA_Fan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I need to work 1 week in my shitty counry to make that cash

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[–]Forsaken43210 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

This is dumb wherever you live who the fuck does this

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[–]Forsaken43210 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Yea but seriously women acting different if prostitution is legal is an incel myth.

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[–]Forsaken43210 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Their egos are exactly the same btw

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[–]laserdicks18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

I disagree. It's legal in Australia, and has had no effect culturally. This is because there is a huge social shaming of it, and it's (still) tied closely to value systems. Social value (of a man) being calculated by how much sex you can manipulate for free rather than pay for.

Incels aren't motivated by sex. They're motivated by rejection.

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[–]laserdicks2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

They absolutely can. That's the beauty of TRP; it works for anyone.

But they don't. Because they don't know.

[–]ZosoWicca22 points23 points  (8 children) | Copy

Here in Perú you can fuck a regular girl for 15$, the price of two drinks. This without the invested time, transport, hotel, fuked talks about shiit, boosting her ego, etc... And the same regular sex you get from a SNL. Of course, pros has better gains in short term, hands down.

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

It might negatively affect birth rates.

[–]Thinkingard11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

As if they aren't already affected?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

They’re in decline. They’d be even in more decline. Sometimes I wonder if that’s why legislators are so adamantly opposed while seeking the services of high-end DC escort agencies. Only the rich and well-connected can have access to hookers. We’d lose our future labor force otherwise.

[–]EnhancedNatural5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

What’s a “regular girl” in Peru? Did you mean to say an average prostitute?

[–]ZosoWicca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, a prosti that has an average level (5-7) like most no prosti girls.

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[–]The_Turbinator3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've never seen a $250 dollar dinner date, and that is the cheapest price for a prostitute in North America, that isn't some AIDS infested crack-whore.

[–]RevolutionaryPea70 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

True 9s and 10s don't have to work. Why do you think they'd voluntarily become whores?

[–]ThinSpiritual15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think it matters. Have been to a few countries where it is legalized.. even in places where it is proliferated (ie. Thailand) the impact on the SMP is still minimal.

SMV is determined by the opposite sex, men who value prostitution is still a smaller % vs. men who value organic sex. The same thing for TRP in general, BP is the mainstream, a few RP men don't change the SMP.

[–]StephenHawkingsEars0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This response makes the most sense. IMHO you’d need ALL men on board and down with prostitution, in order to signal to women that they’ll need to bring more than just their pussy.

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[–]StephenHawkingsEars1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I salute you for needing an hour. I’m good in done in 30. Start to finish.

[–]throwmrwaway1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But is it frowned upon or the general audience think it's just like a day job at McDonald's? Because even if it's legal, and society thinks it's ethically wrong to spend money on prostitutes, it wouldn't have that much effect on dating market

[–]redlurker918 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah and these girls in Amsterdam are smoking hot. I'm moving to Amsterdam.

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[–]smolzino12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I got with a prostitute in the red district, courtesy of a friend. She claimed she was greek but I'm kinda sure she was Albanian or smth like that. The sex wasn't amazing but she was nice and I think she appreciated the fact that I wasn't wasted, clean and smelled good. She even told me she usually only gives oral with condom but that my dick was so pretty and clean that she wanted to do suck it without it. She was even pretty wet as I went in.

I actually came super fast which almost never happens because the idea that I was fucking her for money sounded hot and I pumped her for like 2 mins before I felt like busting out, and I let it go.

[–]Lostfate0911 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I fucked a hooker in Amsterdam a few years ago when I was stationed in Germany in the British army, she sat talking to me after and gave me a massage (No brag)

[–]-DeadLock3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oof that's fucking sad actually

[–]Kabuki43128 points29 points  (15 children) | Copy

I have said this earlier, every woman has a different price to fuck. Some want a cheeseburger, some want straight up cash, some want half your shit in marriage.

Men decide what they want to pay, most usually make bad decisions.

I have tried and tested this in past. Check this out, i offered a chick hb10 straight up cash and she was down in a min. See how much they are in denial lmaooooo.

Not hooker

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[–]Kabuki4318 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like to experiment, wanted to see how I can crack that egg. Ofcourse she was a 10 as i said. But i hope people get the point i m trying to make.

[–]z2a1-92 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

awesome nsa

[–]Kabuki4310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah ur version of NSA ( NO STRINGS ATTACHED) and their version of NSA (NO SEX ALLOWED) are different lol. Tread carefully

[–]BodomDeth3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

is there something before?

She said she was coming and you talked about rate after.

[–]Kabuki431-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Nothing juicy except last part.

[–]BodomDeth8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

I must be misunderstanding. You mention money AFTER she says she's down to come. Why would you do that?

[–]Kabuki4314 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

No man you are overanalyzing. We talked a bit before and i didn't remember what I offered her. Must be broke to come back

[–]BodomDeth1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ok now I understand. If you dont mind sharing, Im curious how much did u initially give her

[–]Kabuki4310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A lot less than an escort, a bit more than bar tab.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

She was definitely either a hooker or a junkie.

[–]Kabuki43111 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Neither, just average broke partying girl.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Supporting some sort of habit.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All instagram hotty level women monetize their looks. Pay to play. They have most of their lifestyle paid for by other men with money and power and online promotions. You're not getting them with cold approach and game. Promise.

"It costs to be the boss my nigga. You way out of your budget" - Low by Juicy J.

[–]PachoHerrera026 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy

All I did in the army was fuck hookers. So much more enjoyable than dating bitches. I don’t even bother anymore. First date is my place or hers, if she’s not interested there are always more who will be.

[–]z2a1-95 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol awesome

[–]StephenHawkingsEars1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Atta boy what country did you represent? And where were you stationed that gave you access to so much cunt?

[–]PachoHerrera02 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yessir, British army. Spent months at a time in Cyprus and Gibraltar.

[–]silvereddi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I bet Philippines

[–]Kratz1777 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Less thirst.

The USA is one of the thirstiest countries in the world. A girl can put a picture of her toe and they'll be suckers lined up to pay her.

In order countries(especially Latin American ones) men will only pay for sex. My non-American friends laughed when I told them that there guys in America who pay for drinks, dates, nightclubs, pick up lessons, voice lessons, wardrobe design all for the hope to get laid. Only to have an American girl flake at them since she was not in the mood. In America girls are the prize in other countries this is not the case.

[–]Gordon-G5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes America is full of effeminate pussy-beggars... like Reddit simps, are common and prevalent

[–]StephenHawkingsEars1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Canada is king when it comes to effeminate pussy beggars. Even our PM got cucked by Edris Elbow.

[–]Gordon-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hear ppl calling him Skippy Trudeau

[–]Thinkingard6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I imagine a lot of men who want to focus solely on their mission would be free from the time and effort it takes to get laid. I think there would be a lot more productive men who are otherwise incels.

[–]ogkushinjapan6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Prostitution would improve the dating market but not as much as you’d think. As much as we laugh at shaming tactics most modern men are shamed too much to ever get a hooker even when legal.

That’s why it’s mostly old men who are clients, besides their money they simply dgaf what others think.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Most young guys wouldn’t give a fuck either. They’re not shamed for going to strip clubs.

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[–]wyota0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you can afford a hooker, so what?

[–]mountainofsnow15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women would have to actually try.

[–]Purplegetraenk4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

I live in Germany where prostitution is cheap and totally legal industry. Brothels open 24/7 around every corner. I know some antisocial criminals, some are ugly asf.. they fuck hookers almost daily. I think it does society a great favor when those type of people are not frustrated. In my city there is a big „luxury“ brothel. It’s basically a hangout for all gangsters. And why I don’t see a moral problem with prostitution is: most prostitutes do it on their free will, in countries where it’s forbidden it’s probably even more dangerous for them. Here in Germany police work tightly with prostitutes together (to prevent them getting hurt or even worse) And I’ve been to brothels many times and hanged out in the waiting area where the prostitutes present themselves and you can choose, 80% guests are normal guys that have zero problems with women and probably have a wife or girlfriend at home, many guys go to the brothel as a group thing after clubbing or before dinner. It’s something you don’t talk about in public tho

[–]StephenHawkingsEars0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

That’s awesome. What are the rates for a mid tier brothel and the luxury ones?

[–]Purplegetraenk1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Regular ones are just rooms with beds and just to fuck, in the luxury ones it’s basically like a resort, open 24/7 big buffets many pools, spa, saunas, live soccer games, rooftop grill party’s, sleeping rooms with personal whirlpools, basically like a luxury hotel with pornstar looking girls, in the luxury ones you pay like 80€ entry and can spend the whole day there and when you see a girl you want to fuck you ask her if she wants to (there are like a hundred+ girls) and their rates are like 150€ an hour but they are really hot, the regular ones you pay like 100€ for woman and bed for 1 hour

[–]Annapolis_Silence10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy

I think there’s a bottom fifth, tenth, or maybe twentieth of men who cannot get laid.

Try the Bottom 80%.

[–]Protocol_Apollo8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

You misunderstood the 80-20 rule.

Women going for the top 20% doesn’t mean 80% of men are 100% sexless.

Do you really think 80% of men are straight up incels?

[–]Annapolis_Silence15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Do you really think 80% of men are straight up incels?

The bottom 80% struggle to get laid.

[–]Protocol_Apollo6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Correct, they fight for scraps but do they get some eventually.

It’s just not enough for their needs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men in the middle middle three-fifths either need to exchange commitment for regular sex or settle for screwing 4/10s or lower.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The bottom 80 get far less sex than they want. They are not all incels, because hypergamy is pragmatic. Women would take a non chad guy in an „emergency“ too.

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the bottom 80% can't get the woman they want

[–]Hungboy69694206 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

30% of 18-30 year old men didn't get laid in the last year. And that's self reported

[–]Innovi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Source?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Rational Male should have some statistical data on it. As well as undead chronic.

[–]JustSatan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot less desperate AFCs. A lot less pedestalizing.

[–]mrbill12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Won't make any difference. Sex work is legal in the United Kingdom - we still have all the same issues.

Most feminists won't believe it - but the majority of men don't want sex with strangers.

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It wouldn’t change anything. What do you expect? Thirsty guys running off to Hookers? That won’t happen. Hookers are very expensive (at least 100€) and a normal man can’t pay for that. And after all a hooker only provides sex. You won’t have seduced a woman, you will just have got your dick wet. Prostitutes have absolutely no impact on the SMP. If you want to lose the sexual tension, go jerk off. Yes I could go to a hooker once every two months, but I choose not to. It’s completely useless for me. It’s very expensive and if I only want to lose my tensions, I can just look at a porn movie. Yet as a member of the nofap philosophy I don’t do that either. The only choice is lifting and working for that pussy. After all, even if prostitution is illegal, men will still be sexually frustrated. The only definition of success is seducing a woman. Sex with a hooker is completely unnecessary.

[–]Forsaken43212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guy from austria here, prostitution totally legal, brothels everywhere. It has literally no effect.

[–]KamelMedia7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I love living where prostitution is legal. I have a gf, but when i feel like having some fresh vag it's a stones throw away.

[–]StephenHawkingsEars1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Where do you live?

[–]KamelMedia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Philippines

[–]Tambamwham6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

It would have zero effect. Except that a large por him of men would just give and start paying for it.

[–]WIA20XX1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It won't destroy hairy legged feminists. Just lot the corona virus won't push the women studies majors into prostitution.

And you aren't paying attention if you think the divide is about sex.

It's about validation, in particular the unvalidated want to be validated.

[–]FanaticMind1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't agree about incels.

Normalizing prostitution could mean that a lot of women (Especially talking about low value women) would expect "payment" in some sort from everybody who isn't the top 20%, even if the man is above her league.

Which is another hit for the incels and bottom 80.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They eagerly fuck guys above their league for little in exchange. They want to screw. But they’ll only put out for that top fifth.

[–]zino1931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Incels don't matter in society. They are prefiltered to be individuals that are not proactive, that are not doers and lack the focus and the motivation to follow up on most of their desires. If they wouldn't be losers, ods are they would get the random woman and slowly become relationship worthy as they mature.(the post 30 segment is full of single women that would settle for anything that isn't a masturbating fucktard)

As for the effect - I don't think it has any. For most sexually active people, the goal of the sexual market isn't pussy or orgasms - it's power. It's being the man that conquered the pussy. The validation of that hottie is what you want, not the physical act of penetration - if it was just penetration we would all be rapists and blackmailers. But we don't want that -we don't want just to get it in despite the main streat attempting to dismiss us as such. We want, we need to be "the man", that is our gene's objectives. We become that when a woman gives us her seal of approval - when she risks (on a evolutionary level obviously) tying her fate to our genetic material. That's when we fulfill our biological function. Sex is the closest proxy, but things are getting weirder - more dissociation - and we will be splitting hairs.

[–]11-Eleven-111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I personally will never use a prostitute because I think everything about it is gross but if legalizing prostitution will level out these girls over inflated egos then I'm all for it. There's too many good dudes out there that can't dates with girls that are 10 - 20 lbs overweight. Its completely ridiculous at this point.

[–]redhorndog1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ability to walk away. Brings pussy off the pedestal. Women would be scared.

One plate of mine found out I paid for sex. She was intrigued. She wanted to know what the value of pussy is and I told her not much in Europe. Her single friend hates me as that gives men the balls to actually leave them. Its unbelievable dread.

Same friend tried to break the plate since she doesnt approve of her hooking up with me (as paying for sex is not approved) and trying to get her to settle with beta billy. (Thanks TRP, I'm at least AF for this plate). Deep down women know they are glorified hookers.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wont the option of hookers would allow more men to have the IDGAF attitude and maybe even build attraction?

[–]SauliusTRP1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I would say it changes nothing. I'm living here in Germany and prostitution is allowed by law here. Cheap bitches, mainly from Bulgaria and Romania (poorest countries in Europe), taking from 30€/20min., so basically few cocktails.

But dating scene is still shit: many SJW's, simps and beta men. I think it even makes everything worse, since you can get sex, as a man you don't need to get better and have your shit together, since sex is basically free.

Sex on itself is pretty shit with prostitutes, they working hard for 8-16 hours and taking few men per hour, so you can just imagine, how "tight" the pussy after so many men. I save myself some money and time and just use hand or fleshlight for a better feeling.

So yeah.. I was really disappointed by answers here. So many blue pill expectations of perfect world, that those men get their shit together and live in abundance of free pussy.. :))

[–]jzekyll60 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If your dick is so thin that a whore feels loose your dick isn’t big enough.

[–]SauliusTRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, can't change anything about that so im not concerned.

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[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

Men don’t want to fuck women, men want to fuck women who WANT THEM

Which is why all brothels and escort services are bankrupt. Oh wait—they aren’t. Sometimes some guys just want a dispassionate screw, their partner’s interest in them being completely immaterial. It’s incredibly naive to think men won’t go for sex even if their interest isn’t reciprocated. Ideally there’s desire, but that won’t stop a large portion of men if consent is still given.

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Key word “sometimes”.

Vast majority of men aren’t using prostitutes to satisfy their sexual needs on a REGULAR basis.

Most men haven’t even had one experience with a prostitute.

Using prostitution isn’t a viable long term sexual strategy, if it truly was, TRP and the entire PUA industry would never have existed.

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Are Americans really that naive not to know that? In countries where prostitution is legalized, the PUA community is exactly the same. OP really thinks the world is different in Europe. It’s not. It’s exactly the same as in the US. We don’t need prostitution. It’s only useful for men who don’t want to work on themselves or for dead bed married men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Me for example. I'm down. LOL

[–]z2a1-90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol

[–]thrwy754795 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Men don’t want to fuck women, men want to fuck women who WANT THEM.

Best fucks ever.

[–]Gordon-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Money makes any woman “want”

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If you took child-rearing+marriage off the table, men and women would be less inclined to commit to each other.

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[–]Adorable_FecalSpray2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

it's expensive,

In the US, yeah it can be.

In other countries, no not at all. In fact, it is downright cost-effective, low hassle and with pretty girls too.

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[–]wyota0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

They're open to all races. In fact, being White is probably beneficial if that's what you were referring to.

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[–]wyota0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're funny if you think girls in the Philippines or Vietnam care about your race. As long as your a rich Westerner, you'll get pussy. It's not like its Japan.

[–]Adorable_FecalSpray0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My guess, you have not traveled that much.

For someone that travels a lot, this works out just fine. Learn the language, not required but it can sometimes help. I personally enjoy learning new languages. But 80% of the time the girls know English. And those that don't, they know what you want. Just a matter of settling on an amount. And lastly, your comment about countries aren't open for all races, what countries are you talking about?

I am leaning towards the fact that you don't know much about this subject...

Also you said, "-first of all, it's illegal in most places, you get caught you done,"

No, most places it is typically under the table and is considered a victimless crime. A lot of places it is ingrained in the culture. If you don't act like a foreign idiot, you aren't paid any mind at all.

Also, you said, "-then it's expensive, then the fact that it is expensive allows prostitutes to be picky (yes whores have standards too) so that means that just because you got the money it doesn't mean that you gonna get the walls, prostitutes reject too,"

Not expensive. Two examples; $100 for a good massage for an hour and 30 minutes for sex in Mexico. $70 in the Philippines for similar. (Throw in Central and South American countries and another 4 or 6 countries in Southeast Asia where you will find the situation to be the same). I've seen prices range from $30 - $150.

Also, you really do not know what you are talking about, "then they have loads of clients so you gotta wait for your turn, or you don't have many places to book it,"

Within 60 minutes of landing in each of those countries I mentioned above, you can have one of a half dozen good looking girls at your hotel room. Unless you are extremely vile or start calling them names or spitting on them, they will not turn you down. They may have many clients, but there are more then enough girls that will be ready. Your hotel, their apartment, their place of business, plenty of places to book it.

Umm, what comic books are you reading? "then, in general, it's just dangerous, you never know who you fucking with, I mean you can get beaten, catfished, robbed, stabbed, KOd, diseases, etc..."

Welcome to the regular real life world. Many of those things could happen while trying to meet up with a girl from Tinder in your home country. Although your sense of paranoia seems a bit high. Again, if you are not acting like some stupid foreigner insulting the locals, have a regular sense of situational awareness you should be just fine.

[–]wyota0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I just can't take you seriously when you say most guys dont care about human companionship. This is what radfems on PinkPill say.

[–]kef19010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly i agree

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How could you have a relationship with these entitled dried up psychos?

[–]Gordon-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes make Prostitution legal, common/ readily available, safe, inexpensive and without stigma

[–]TheStoicTao0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Germany has loads of FKKs in Berlin, Frankfurt etc, for 60 euros you get half an hour with some of the most beautiful women I've met. The sex is also top notch.

I recommend those Sauna Clubs for every man, at least once would make them realize the world they haven't unlocked yet.

Bit harder for Americans to get to Europe but if you live in Europe it's a gold mine.

[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

50EUR is the minimum... Expect to pay 100EUR if you want a real blowjob without a condom and to cum in the girl's mouth. Rawdogging is most likely out of the question too, since girls only want it raw when they are turned on.

[–]SteveSan82-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They can get laid. They choose to not get laid.



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