So I want to point out that i'm not someone that likes to actively contribute to forums like this because I don't think it would be very practical for me in any sense. I can learn just as much by lurking and reading all the points that everyone has without being involved with the many unbelievably nasty personalities on this shitty subreddit.
What I do think that this subreddit has to offer though is a look into reality and especially the future and I think it's pretty scary. I want to approach it from an outsider looking in perspective because half of the posts I read on here give me this strong sense that they have an agenda or are trying to shit on a certain group of people. I'm more interested in looking at this like a biologist commenting on recent evolutionary implications of tortoises habitat changing.
First of all, obviously we didn't evolve to deal with the mess we are in now because of technology. We didn't evolve for fairness to be prevalent. In my opinion it's hilarious that we care at all about how people look and not how they act and their values, but obviously our genes have other ideas and I'm still just as susceptible to that as anyone else.
What I see right now is a look into reality, sort of the backlog of things that most people don't see in their day to day lives because these are the things that people hide from each other or groups keep to themselves. It turns out that a lot of men really do struggle in the dating market and many women have it very easy or at least much easier than men. With all that I've read here I can't imagine any real, broad arguments why this isn't the case. Two things that play important roles in social dynamics, all having a real and significant impact, with individual variances, are sexual, relational and social success. Woman have much easier access to the sexual market in general. Woman have a broader access to the relational market in general. Woman have advantages in social markets as well, but i'm not going to claim that they have a huge advantage in social settings the way they do in relational and sexual markets. I think that woman have certain advantages and disadvantages in social situations but they're not nearly as wide spanning. What I will say is that having power in relational and sexual markets automatically increases your value in the social market, obviously.
Now I want to make the statement clear that sexual and relational dynamics are literally two of the largest, most fundamental aspects of life. They are mid to upper tier in Maslows Hierarchy of Needs. Love and belonging is mid tier, while esteem is near the top. I would actually place sex, just the act and the experience that comes with it from someone who also desires the action, to be at least somewhat of an esteem component because it shows that you are 'good enough' for other people. I also think that it places certain restrictions on what some people can understand if they've had these things their entire lives and what it would be like if those opportunities disappeared. Would you be able to handle losing some of the important experiences that make up what are considered fundamental needs by humans without some significant loss in your identity?
This leads to something a little broader to add. We are becoming more disconnected as a society and this leads to more disconnection between people across the board. This fundamentally means we aren't achieving our optimal levels of socialization nor in as healthy of a way as consistently as we used to. We're all becoming more insecure, distant and predisposed to finding a side that matches our biases and running with it because there is an abundance to choose from.
What this builds to is that men are really going to get the shit end of the stick. Apparently, according to this sub, around maybe 50% of men aren't even desirable to woman at all. Hell lets drop that down to 30% of men and be very optimistic for this subs standards. This means, in relative terms is that 10s of millions of men in America aren't, at all, going to achieve a proper sexually or emotionally fulfilling existence with the opposite sex. It also means by emergent properties that these men are much less likely to be fulfilled socially due to them already being lower in the pecking order along with the fact that we are becoming more socially distanced.
What this means is that a large portion of men aren't getting much out of life at this point when you honestly assess what is important to most people. Relationships, sex and an active, self gratifying social circle. Validation from other people of your worth (although not actually indicative of your 'real' worth as a human being, still an extremely powerful influence), of your desirability and competence. This is really, really important to almost every person who has ever existed.
The more apparent this becomes to men, the more fucked up things are going to get. I want you to look at how dissatisfied people can already be with others having different skin colors, different sexualities, different religions and different politic views. People feel as is they are restricted in some way by the existence of people that look or behave differently. However, something as visceral as this would lead to an awful set of volatility. There is a visceral response that could come from this that would be intense and toxic to another level if it became common for men to think that they weren't being served a part of what we consider life and there were people they could blame for it. People to blame that seem like they are restricting their ability to enjoy life as a whole experience. It's not that anyone is really to blame, it's just that there is always someone to blame. Whether rational or not, the idea of being locked in a cage while others are free will induce one of the most toxic feelings possible for some personalities and hopelessness in many others.
So, when we are talking on a societal level, you can't just say make the claim that 'its just sex get over it' and leave it at that if you don't want there to be some serious consequences. There's a lot more experience happening in an individual than that statement popping into their head. I'm not going to make any claims for what I would think would start happening if the message given in this forum became widespread, but it would be grim. By message I mean the reality that is fostered by this subreddit, which at minimum has some real merit in the real world. At minimum. It seems, from reading it, that regardless of how much of it is real or hallucination, it at least seems very plausible and would seep into how people view the world. We can't have a large portion of our males in society become or feel outcasted and expect things to keep functioning properly. I also don't think there is an easy solution at all. I'm not blaming males or females for anything as much as I am realizing that there is a massive problem that everyone is going to have to deal with and is going to become obvious soon enough. We at least need to take the reality of its presence completely seriously. People aren't side characters that can just disappear into the background regardless of circumstances. People are what make the world what it is and too many negative factors influencing their lives will fuck everything up.
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