[Mod] State of the Union Address. 2,000 subscribers

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February 28, 2013

Well folks, it's another milestone. We've reached over 2,000 users in three short months. This says something big.

We've seen opposition, we've heard from devout feminists, we've read their arguments, and saw their complaints.

And not a single one of them even tried to address our theories properly.

Oh, there were hundreds of misrepresentations. A lot of arguments leading with the conclusion, begging the question of the ever elusive misogynistic phantom, which is always misogynistic because it's misogynistic.

We've seen people continue to use "scary," and "terrifying," "horrifying," and "violent" when describing us, yet we have suggested nothing scary, nothing terrifying, nothing at all remotely violent.

Folks, it's a sure sign that we're on the right track when people run out of ammo and start throwing their own shoes at us.

Let's keep growing, let's keep investigating. 2013 is a big year for the manosphere. Changes are coming, good and bad.

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Title [Mod] State of the Union Address. 2,000 subscribers
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 43
Comments 57
Date 28 February 2013 02:54 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/3595
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/19ebha/mod_state_of_the_union_address_2000_subscribers/
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[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'll put it to you this way, outside of my hobby related subreddits and TRP I hate this fucking website. This frickin pill is even ruining shows and movies that I enjoy, but such is the price of truth and I'll pay it until the end of days.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

When I was "unplugged" i didn't know what they meant when they said that I will see the matrix. But holy shit, did I ever see it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You feel like a crazy person for a while, and you think what kind of cult did I just get brain washed into? Then the real mindfuck hits: the actual cult you were a part of has been all around you since birth.

"He's gonna pop!"

I was one of the lucky few who was naturally RP, but the BP conditioning still hit me hard when I would go exclusive with a woman, and my indoctrinated beta mindset would creep up on me and just crush all that hard gaming I had done to get her into that relationship in the first place. The conversion process for a virgin or low partner count "Nice Guy"TM must be fucking brutal.


[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That actually a concern that's been hitting me lately, wondering if I've joined in on a 'cult brainwash,' as trivial as that sounds.

But just experience and going downtown at night...starting to confirm things more and more

[–]KishCom9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

I like most of the values being put forth in this sub, but I think more swift and brutal moderation is going to be required as this sub grows more to keep the content relevant and ... frankly: good. It's already been addressed in other topics, but making sure we "stay pure" about the message of "the red pill" (I still hate that moniker) and don't turn into MRAs, PUAs, or just plain actual-woman-haters is an important goal to keep in mind for this sub.

I've been a redditor since the beginning. When subs reach a certain size (10K users or so), things start to shift, a sub-specific "hivemind" arises. You can see it all over the biggest subs - it's why /r/politics hates Conservatives, /r/atheism is full of the worst kinds of "atheist", and why /r/funny is rarely funny. It's probably the main reason why many of the "default" subs are so horrible (/r/TheoryOfReddit is great for discussing this).

redpillschool does a great job, but for him and the other mods, it's going to get harder: thank you for your hard work. It is greatly appreciated!


[–]RedSunBlue3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

When subs reach a certain size (10K users or so), things start to shift, a sub-specific "hivemind" arises.

I've noticed the same thing happening over in one of my recent favorites, /r/swoleacceptance, which is now nearing 10k subscribers. It used to be a hilarious parody of over-the-top and overweight whining on /r/bodyacceptance (a great repository of rationalization and self-victimization if you ever need some easy examples), but in recent months it has slowly devolved into the same feel-good circlejerk as the subreddit it once satirized.

[–]westcoastwiking2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for writing this. It's my main concern as well. Just look at /r/seduction...

[–]Return of Kingsrooshv10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Keep up the great work.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks Roosh!

[–]TheIslander82914 points15 points  (13 children) | Copy

I'm glad this got started. Before this subreddit I was hanging around over at /r/Seduction ... but most guys over there are still plugged, and will still revert to beta herbs whenever given the chance.

Thank you for this.

[–]rkg-pua 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy

Two years ago /r/seduction used to be legitimate advice for the most part and I enjoyed the FRs. Now, it is as you described.

Paradoxically, the more populated a sub gets the more I dislike it. Over the years this happened to /r/fitness, /r/cfb, and /r/seduction. It is not that i do not want this sub to grow (because I do); I just hope it doesnt get populated with more stupid because of said growth.

[–]KishCom4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's true! The only really popular subs that survive (in my mind) and remain good/interesting are subs that are very heavily moderated: /r/askscience is a great example of this.

[–]RedHonest6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy

Guess we need to stay on the edge then.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

Rule with an Iron Fist. No memes is certainly helping and as we grow we're going to need categorized thread flair similar to /r/Starcraft especially when people start throwing up Blue Pills and need to vent.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sometimes I am proud of my moderation. Here's a great example: (Yes I'm showing off).


[–]freewanderer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

~ looooool ~

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dude. AlephBa..ta or whatever honestly looks better in the images he linked. Don't be proud of that moderation.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm incredibly proud of this moderation.

  1. He was concern trolling, making a long video explaining how we need to rephrase our stuff, and that game doesn't work.

  2. I voiced disagreement, but left his post up for the benefit of the doubt.

  3. He accused me of overly controlling moderation, which I had not exercised at this point.

  4. I explained clearly and concisely why I took the stance I did, and how my job works.

  5. I gave him a warning.

  6. I banned him, but did not remove any of his material and let the moderation stand up to scrutiny.

That is why I'm proud of it. I am entirely candid and transparent. He attempted to derail the way many feminists before him and after him have, and I dealt with him the way I will continue to deal with feminists on our sub who concern troll.

Edit: Here's the post with his deletions, not mine. http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/16n9jw/re_how_to_break_in_a_woman_youtube/

Please keep note that one of my jobs is to keep us on track as a forum moderator. That includes dealing with trolls. The more effective trolls try to keep a guise of plausible deniability (like this guy).

I will let most debate ride out, but there are some key points: Do not become flippant and disrespectful towards the moderators. Yes, maybe I'll flag some well-intentioned stuff while taking out the trash, but it's not an easy job when there are people literally plotting to destroy our subreddit.

Edit 2: It reminds me of somebody I recently banned. He kept bringing up racism and declared me "not open for real discussion." The reason that he was banned, which I explained multiple times, was that he refused to listen to me, not because discussion on genetics was banned. He still claims I banned him because I labeled him a racist, and he still claims we're censoring "true red pill discussion." This serves as nothing but validation for me as to why he was banned. Even now he's ignoring the conversation I tried to have with him.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It reminds me of somebody I recently banned. He kept bringing up racism and declared me "not open for real discussion." The reason that he was banned, which I explained multiple times, was that he refused to listen to me, not because discussion on genetics was banned. He still claims I banned him because I labeled him a racist, and he still claims we're censoring "true red pill discussion." This serves as nothing but validation for me as to why he was banned. Even now he's ignoring the conversation I tried to have with him.

I think I know who you're talking about, and that dude was a huge fucking troll ~

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm still skeptical that he was "concern trolling" as he may have had real concerns. However, my opinion is improved.

P.S. Another 'red pill' blogger is FreedomTwentyFive

[–]RedSunBlue2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Perhaps we can begin posting FRs here but instead call them "Case Studies"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not a bad idea ~

[–]GeorgeGordonByron11 points12 points  (23 children) | Copy

part of me wonders if this sub should go private at some point in the future. I'm glad this sub is small. It's not on anyone's radar and we can ask questions and discuss things freely. Once this sub get's big enough it WILL start attracting negative attention. At which point, users will start getting doxxed. SRS will start false flag campaigns. Etc.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 16 points17 points  (11 children) | Copy

We do not plan to go private. I will continue moderating with an iron fist. I believe we will be successful at warding off the general softening of tone that happens when subs get big.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

the best nation is said to be ruled by a benevolent dictator

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

only if a country isn't socially liberal enough to do well with a transition to democracy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

he can let some forms of democratic decision making to exist, through public referendum

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah. And as the moderator of a forum myself (not on Reddit, for a Facebook group) who has had to ban trolls myself, I know that the 'everything everywhere should be totally free speech' argument/entitlement is not intelligent.

[–]LAVA1041 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. Everyone is free to add whatever questionable material they want, and if it falls into the gray moderation area, that's where the voting comes in.

[–]lucidvivid 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

redpillschool, you do a great job with the moderating. And you're a great ambassador of the sub -- I notice the polite and thoughtful 'tone' when I read your comments in the other subs. Nicely done by you.

I've noticed more and more usernames popping up here in /r/theredpill that I recall from /r/askmen ... and also watched the subscriber count rising over the last little while.

I'm glad I stumbled in here, again, thanks to Son-of-Man. (And agree with his comment above about finding tv and movies and other favourite haunts on the net to be almost unbearable now. Wouldn't change it though.)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're welcome. Glad to see one of my recruits made it over before my ban. RPS is really, really good at debating, and the way he keeps himself collected is something I am implementing into my own life (but don't tell him I said that) both on and offline. I tend to be a very confrontational person and while that does help me in certain situations I can see value in adding a "switch" that I can flip to become more diplomatic and patient when dealing with plugged-in chuckleheads. Going nuclear on people isn't always the best option, especially when our main enemies are expecting and wanting just that type of reaction to justify their batshit insane ideologies.

[–]GeorgeGordonByron2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

so what will you do if SRS decides to try doxxing you?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm pretty safe, I've taken a lot of precautions. I do recommend everybody to get throwaways though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yea, one comment resulted in banning on there, so might approach from a different account. Can't believe one comment where i said I agree with a negative opinion resulted in immediate banning.

[–]Travis_McGee 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

I have these same fears. I don't want this sub to devolve into people circlejerking their red pill superiority. I don't want to have whoreds (heh) of angry feminists storming through and fighting us. I don't want a bunch of blue pills white knighting either. I like the discussion we can freely have here. But as we grow and grow I fear we may lose what makes this place so valuable.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

that's a same fear I've been facing, how this could devolve into an advice forum, vs. the philosophical type discussion and example giving that goes on at the moment.

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah the advice posts should be weeded out... Especially "I'm a girl, what do you think about that?" types...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I do some mind purges from time to time to get a deconstruction of how my current thinking can be vetted. but if I and others start asking about particular things to do in conversation...shit i'm guilty about the shit test questions.

This is why redpillschool is the moderator, mind is just everywhere

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I exclude your posts. Ive found your work in particular to be of high quality and relevance. It's the troll bait and the stuff that 'read the sidebar' could answer that I have distaste for

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Solid, it will be interesting to see the impact of the collective voting conscious as we move forward. Better see some legendary pasta on the front page wrecking shop at predetermined thought processes

[–]GeorgeGordonByron3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don't think you understood my post.

[–]Travis_McGee 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

Can you clarify?

[–]GeorgeGordonByron2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't give a flying fuck about "going mainstream". I care about users getting doxxed and having their lives destroyed.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I recommend anybody posting here to use a throwaway.

[–]freewanderer10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy

By far my favourite sub. In fact, it's the lone alpha voice in a sea of betatiude at reddit. /r/seduction and /r/MensRights are disappointments.

[–]selfsufficientnigga 21 points21 points [recovered] | Copy

I don't have a problem with /r/MensRights, because I feel that a man has full right to be beta, without being abused and taken advantage of by female creatures.

[–]freewanderer2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

That's true. What I don't enjoy is how they tend to vilify PUA. For example: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11sh5j/pua_articles_have_no_place_here_nut_jobs_like_pz/

[–]Rienfleche1010116 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Honestly, I think the reason they vilify PUA culture is to desperately try to distance themselves from it.

They want fair treatment of men yes, but instead will self-censor themselves.

This happens consistently over there, with any opinion that might "hurt the movement".

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Whereas here we treat concern trolls as just that, concern trolls.

[–]Rienfleche1010114 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's my biggest concern here though.

Ive been here since the start and with growing numbers I don't want to see our principles become watered down in hopes of not offending someone.

At this point I don't see how we can prevent it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

We have a few plans up our sleeves.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say redpillschool is doing a fine job of ensuring that the discourse stays diverse while keeping trolls out of our backyard at the same time.

[–]telnet_reddit_802 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let's keep growing not just in the number of users but also in the amount of good content. I'm sure you all follow quite a few blogs via rss, a couple of like-minded people on twitter — pick the best article each morning or lunch and post it here so that everybody could enjoy it.

[–]logicalmisologist5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just wanted to let the mods know that you are all doing a fantastic job.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


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