Are women able to improve themselves the way men can?

Gravel_Roads · 2020-04-01T13:44:04+00:00

Duh, women can and do improve every day. Do you just not see all the magazines women share with other women to teach them: better hair care, better skin care, better make-up application, weight-loss routines and endless dieting tips, fashion sense, home-management, stress-regulation, child-care, gardening, hobbies ect?

(copy and pasted from other thread cuz lazy)

sturbine · 2020-04-01T13:41:25+00:00

Course they can. They may package their motivation differently. I was with a cheerleader who joined out of vague insecurities and got pretty fit for her body type. She wasn't thinking in specific terms of social value and body composition - she just knew sinking time and effort into it would pay off in her life, and socially it did. It didn't solve any of her anxiety as she was doubling down on ego, but that wasn't my concern.

akihonj · 2020-04-01T13:23:00+00:00

Of course they are two weeks of pandemic shutdown and 60000 new sign ups of women to the onlyfans site where they can use that site to sell photos of themselves naked should tell you that if course they can, it just comes at the end of a camera.

GennyX · 2020-04-01T13:31:15+00:00

You don’t know many women, I’m guessing. We thrive on self improvement.

Raquel22222 · 2020-04-01T13:42:14+00:00

I don’t know about the women you’re talking about but my thoughts are daily consumed with improving my body, home, job performance, child, even what I’m thinking about I’m trying to improve.

alluringjustice · 2020-04-01T13:52:03+00:00

If I were to ask any of my female friends about their self improvement goals right now I would get a 3 paged essay from each of them. Most women I know are constantly in a battle with themselves to improve. We make vision boards and bullet journals and monthly habit trackers. What they focus on completely varies and a lot of the time it has nothing to do with what will make them more attractive to men. If it does end up attracting a man then great! But it’s not the end goal. Fitness/weight goals, career goals, raising their GPA, spending an allocated time writing/painting/dancing/playing guitar/etc, getting their skincare routine down pat, improving make up and hair skills, improving their grooming and style, going to therapy, socialising more, reading more books, running longer distances, saving up for a house, travelling goals, cooking new meals, getting a promotion, advancing in their sport, improving their photography skills. These are literally just things I’ve discussed with my immediate group of girl friends in the last few weeks that I can remember. Self improvement is like crack for women.

Bekiala · 2020-04-01T13:58:56+00:00

From what I have seen there are increasingly more women getting higher degrees than men. Although I believe the reasons behind this are complex; however it does show female interest in self-improvement.

2020-04-01T14:44:09+00:00

What kind of brain dead question is this? Of course they can. They do, the main difference I'd say is they don't boast about it constantly like men do. You don't see "gym sisters" like you see gym bros, you see women combining physical activity with social time and mental health. The prevailing attitudes about it just seem generally different.

goatismycopilot · 2020-04-01T13:53:09+00:00

I think the OP is framing the lack of improvement efforts from women in terms of fuckability. I know lots of women who are always invested in improving themselving but it is done in terms of how do I make my life better not how can I make some random dick hard. Improvement is subjective learning a new skill, a language, a hobby, a side business means nothing to men in terms of attractiveness so it is not seems as improvement. Of course when women talk about external improvements like hair, makeup, and skin regimens then it is seen as further evidence of narcissism.

Proteinsaurus · 2020-04-01T13:12:39+00:00

Of course they can. But generally they dont have to.

akihonj · 2020-04-01T15:00:48+00:00

I take it then because the post was removed they didn't like getting called out. Ops

901735 · 2020-04-01T13:44:53+00:00

Theoretically speaking yes they're "able to", practically speaking it depends on the woman

Many people don't have the self awareness, knowledge, or moral framework to bridge the gap between who they are and who they want to be

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Cloak77 · 2020-04-01T13:43:04+00:00

I think that just like men, health can fitness can definitely improve your status.

I actually wish it was more common advice, but I feel like women don’t like being told they need to workout because it makes them feel like they’re ugly.

Unless you’re very out of shape, most women still get a lot of attention, so it seems like it’s just optional to them. Whereas it’s almost mandatory for men. Competing against other men you can’t afford to lose points on something simple to improve.

roundabout44 · 2020-04-01T13:58:37+00:00

Of course, women can and will self-improve if one is capable of it. However, the "problem" is that many women won't go as far as some men in accepting reality.

By reality I mean, male self-improvement when it comes to romance would be, lift, groom, go out, practice approaches, create opportunities, approach, make it fucking happen.

When it comes to women (and many men), they mostly don't want to interfere with the "fate" when it comes to romantic success. You will see many, if not most blue pilled people yelling that they indeed started lifting, dieting, taking care of themselves and so on. But that's as far as they will go, and the rest is on "fate" when it comes to romantic success. They believe true romance only comes from fate and spontaneity instead of seeing an opportunity and grabbing it.

A great example would be dressing, grooming, looking nice for a night out, and leaving the rest to "fate". You know the classic: "If it happens it happens". Fuck no, it happens because I'll make it happen. And this is where you separate the true self-improvement from the basic blue pill one.

They apply the same principles to job hunting, making friends, traveling and so on. My reasoning is that people want to believe that there's fate and spontaneity in the world and that's how beautiful things happen. When instead, they happen if you work for them and make them happen by yourself. If nothing, by at least strongly exposing yourself and increasing the odds of "it happening".

CHAD_TDK · 2020-04-01T13:59:46+00:00

Generally speaking, I think that men and women have a different idea of what it means to "improve" yourself.

Men might think of:

hitting the gym and fixing their diet
learn something new, acquire new skills related to their career
pursuing new hobbies

Women, and some 'men", think in terms of

different/more makeup [this is a women-only]
new clothes
new shoes
signing up for a new fancy gym with a PT, wishing they could afford a nutritionist and personal chef
signing up for a new spinning club / yoga / meditation

The Men list is more about "doing something/active", the women list is more about being serviced / passive.

EDIT: further proof of this is the comment exchange on this very same comment.

I took the time and effort to put out my point of view (108 words)
only to have someone, just by chance a woman, try to put me down with a one-line comment (20 words)
I take the time to point out the uselessness of her minimal disruptive comment and invite to engage in a healthy debate (58 words)
only to receive more of the same, a brief and dismissive one-liner (7 words)

https://i.imgur.com/ANMO7ZD.jpg

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ can't make this shit up!

Title	Are women able to improve themselves the way men can?
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Date	April 1, 2020 1:11 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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