Is testosterone in a man always a good thing for his SMV?

GridReXX · 2021-01-04T22:07:38+00:00

Wherever former PPD local Fiat is, he once said that Autism is Extreme Male Brain and BPD is Extreme Female Brain.

I think that’s why the things that annoy women most in men (lack of social awareness, seemingly obtuse, lack of empathy) are all prevalent in autism.

And the things that annoy men in women (moodiness, heightened interpersonal energy, attention seeking) are all prevalent in BPD.

Atlas__B__Shruggin · 2021-01-04T23:58:25+00:00

excessive exposure to T in the developmental stages of the womb and naturally circulating T in a sexually mature male arent the same thing and dont have the saem effects

deathbecomesme123456 · 2021-01-04T21:21:12+00:00

Yeah, why not? I think people reject things out of hand before knowing anything about them, because it sounds scary. Autism varies greatly by individual so it’s hard to deem that whole class of people as undateable.

octocombo · 2021-01-04T21:57:03+00:00

The science isn't settled on the "extreme male brain" hypothesis of autism, but there is evidence for and against it, and I think it's relevant to note that the hypothesis is about fetal testosterone rather than adult testosterone.

I personally don't find that hyper-masculine men are more attractive to me, but in terms of overall societal attractiveness, it's usually adult testosterone levels that affect that. So even if high levels of fetal testosterone do cause autism, that doesn't necessarily translate to high levels of adult testosterone. So you might have an autistic person who has a more "male" brain due to the basic brain structure established in utero but doesn't have a more masculine (conventionally attractive) body as an adult.

Personally, I am currently dating someone who's been diagnosed autism-spectrum, it's pretty mild though and less impactful to our relationship than her severe anxiety (also diagnosed). I haven't dated an autism-spectrum man, but I could consider it if he got with my communication protocols or had his own communication protocols I could easily follow and was otherwise attractive to me. My brother is mild autism-spectrum, so I am experienced with the kind of direct communication that makes it easier for autistic people to parse social interactions/needs/expectations. However, I could not date someone who was severely autistic, e.g., someone non-verbal.

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-01-04T23:37:27+00:00

Hormones need to be balanced, but yes, testosterone is what opens the floodgates.

SherbertBacon · 2021-01-05T00:19:45+00:00

He says that autism is most likely caused by excessive testosterone in the development of a foetus during pregnancy and that's why it's way more common in men as well as presenting differently than in women.

Your brain is not the same, nor is it developing in the same ways, as it is in the foetus.

Now, people would have you believe that women generally like testosterone because it means more masculinity but if the brain is too masculine, it's autistic no?

No.

Would the women here date someone on the spectrum?

Also no.

This is a breathtaking example of how people on PPD take some basic scientific idea and fuck it royally up the ass. It's the bro-science of sexual dynamics.

YouSaidChicken · 2021-01-04T21:57:24+00:00

If that's the case, how come autism seems to be a recent invention and back when men actually had to have testosterone to deal with man shit, autists were few and ar between? As in, the town retard and idiot existed, but not vast swaths of young men?

You know what would help autists? Heavy manual labor exhausting them all day. Now it's just social media and video games.

But break your ass on a farm or a site? Watch all that autism have no place to go. Start at around age 4 for true benefits.

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Lounly · 2021-01-04T22:17:56+00:00

If anything, we are in a huge crisis in terms of group testosterone levels. Men are far less masculine nowadays, obviously, however most people believe the sole reason is the liberty of expressing themselves and other modern social constructs. In reality, its just one part of it. Physical/biological causes are also prevalent. Fat/gut, people are fat, fat equals estrogen which make women more unbearable and men more lethargic. Lack of physical exercise, even a fat fart would increase his testosterone levels if he moved atleast balf the amount men 3 generations ago moved. Cannabis is a giga popular chical castration, finasteride, all the plastics and birth control in the soil. Its scary bad.

hungronto · 2021-01-04T22:56:41+00:00

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Mimoxs · 2021-01-05T00:52:29+00:00

I have heard this, when I was little in family therapy for autism they basically told my parents it would make me have masculine thought patterns and behaviors.

But I do think autism manifests in a way that can still be directed femininely.

Would the women here date someone on the spectrum?

I would bc I'm autistic so it is somewhat easier to understand someone else who is. There is a lot of discourse I have seen about whether autists pair better with non-autists or other autists... I am of the opinion that two autists together work best. You understand the concept of tics and quirks and speech problems, and don't worry about being viewed as less for them, since the other person likely has them as well, and you don't have to worry about being awkward since they are too. The relationships I had with other autists were better than the ones with non autists.

I've found that autistic men don't really like autistic girls, though. The men that like it tend to be infantilization fetishists or have a savior complex, and even they realize quickly it's more than they signed up for.

FrequentPangolin · 2021-01-05T01:26:19+00:00

Now, people would have you believe that women generally like testosterone because it means more masculinity but if the brain is too masculine, it's autistic no?

No. That wasn't his findings at all. He specifically said testosterone during development of the fetus.

MamaAbroad · 2021-01-05T02:22:50+00:00

No. A study was done of men with hyper masculine traits from high testosterone, like a massive brow ridge and chin, and it was found those men were perceived as threatening and unattractive to women. However, hyper feminine female faces, with over sized eyes and lips, were considered even more attractive than a “typical” female face, to both men and women. In fact, women often like “pretty boys” with more feminine features.

psypD · 2021-01-05T02:30:43+00:00

High testosterone levels can give you some really nasty acne when young. I also think that T is not the most important. HGH levels are what makes you a Chad.

Laytheblameonluck · 2021-01-05T03:40:06+00:00

Fun fact, testosterone reduces during early fatherhood.

mintylove · 2021-01-05T08:36:46+00:00

there is no 1:1 outcome for hormones, you people surely make endocrinologists pull their hair out

Whisper · 2021-01-05T23:56:01+00:00

He says that autism is most likely caused by excessive testosterone in the development of a foetus

I'd like to see the data on that.

richlad · 2021-01-06T06:35:02+00:00

Autistic men do not look manly or have bulging veins and deep musculature.

Testosterone is suppressed in autistic men because of excess testosterone exposure in womb which his brain conflates with the testosterone that's being produced in the body.

As a result the lower testosterone in Austin men gives them boyish look with low muscle mass.

hurl3y4456 · 2021-01-08T05:46:13+00:00

Most women prefer a good mix of masculine to feminine features. Generally, the extremes are not ideal, but the possibility is still there. Find the right niche/environment such as academics or local group and I guarantee your success level will improve.

Emervila · 2021-01-04T21:54:05+00:00

Testosterone is always good on men within the balance in the body. They like testosterone in the body mostly but women don't really care about the brain otherwise you'd see no complain about jerks if they were aiming to a male brain.

In regards of Asperger or Autism this relies on a female need which is emotional connection. Those whose who have this mostly male brain have predicaments with emotional connecting and women do crave for emotional rollercoastering which in no sense looks like "logical" hence less suitable for a male brain to recognize as need and prioritize that.

Actually MGTOW debated the idea about best type of women to date and they kinda pointed out women with aspergers could be a thing since their brain understands way better the male brain.

Male brain is a thing as long as it can emotional connect to women.

Title	Is testosterone in a man always a good thing for his SMV?
Author	hungronto
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Date	January 4, 2021 9:03 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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