Do people actually see the red pill as an ideology?

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April 6, 2020
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I see it as truths and the necessity for self improvement. What how is your experience with the redpill and how do you optimise it’s use?


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Title Do people actually see the red pill as an ideology?
Author niceguyputin
Upvotes 71
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Date 06 April 2020 02:37 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Project_Zero_Betas103 points104 points  (131 children) | Copy

As someone whose politics probably runs to the left of most this sub, I'd say TRPs sidebar accurately describes about 95% of the sexual market place.

[–]scottandcoke51 points52 points  (26 children) | Copy

It should be irrelevant though as it's apolitical but unfortunately there are always those who try and hijack it to support their own political beliefs.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas49 points50 points  (23 children) | Copy

Right, your view on monetary policy is irrelevant to whether you should lift or if alpha widows exist.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev14 points15 points  (22 children) | Copy

Yes, but....

Politically, the Left freaks out because TRP does now bow to their political orthodoxy, particularly the feminist Left which says:

Women = Men

But believes:

Women > Men.

Plus they hate us for being Evil Penis Carriers.

The Right, meanwhile, merely dislike us for being Great Big Man-Sluts who get laid. Or scalawags who will eventually outgrow out Casanova ways. But they don't want us dead and castrated (probably not in that order).

So yeah, while TRPers can be liberal, we usually aren't.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy

But believes:

Women > 80% Men.

FTFY

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev7 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy

Disagree on the doctrine. You are using 'logic' which, as we know, is a Coercive Tool of the Oppressive Patriarchy. The 3rd (and 4th) Wavers, who are in charge now, are fucking delusional.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy

(and 4th) Wavers, who are in charge now,

There was a 4th wave?

who are in charge now, are fucking delusional.

A bunch of the current gen (whichever wave I just assumed 3rd) and tradcons went out of their way to prevent me from getting laid for years ("She has competition for HIM?? Clearly the only solution is to make sure he never wins regardless"), preaching to the choir.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

There was a 4th wave?

Supposedly. They are somehow worse than the 3rd Wave, but I don't pay too much attention to that silly bullshit. So I just googled. They are more into SJW bullshit, intersectionality and know how to use the internet.

A bunch of the current gen (whichever wave I just assumed 3rd) and tradcons went out of their way to prevent me from getting laid for years ("She has competition for HIM?? Clearly the only solution is to make sure he never wins regardless"), preaching to the choir.

Yeah, that's both feminism and White Knighting (WKs are usually tradcons). They both suck, but in general, tradcons don't want us dead. Oh, and 3 of the neighborhood wives makes food for me from time to time and send it over. They are tradcons, 3 for 3.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

So I just googled. They are more into SJW bullshit, intersectionality and know how to use the internet.

I stopped paying attention when they co-opted transgenderism into feminist thought.

Yeah, that's both feminism and White Knighting (WKs are usually tradcons). They both suck, but in general, tradcons don't want us dead. Oh, and 3 of the neighborhood wives makes food for me from time to time and send it over. They are tradcons, 3 for 3.

Bunch of guys ghosted me after a hot girl made false accusations against me (they knew this) but still write "Happy Birthday!" on another friends wall despite being arrested for robbery multiple times and joining a street gang. Because, you know, there's no potential pussy involved.

WKs are the fucking worst.

[–]TheH1dd3nFear1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Tranny's and TERFs are having a civil war.

[–]blackswan2whiteswan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Every young women should see a picture of Andrea Dworkin , and asked if [She] is one to follow..

[–]TheH1dd3nFear1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The 4th wave are basically a bunch of transvestites.

[–]din_far1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

There was a 4th wave?

1st wave: >=100 years ago, women should get the vote.

The wave that noone noticed because WW2: Women working outside the home, to supply the men on the front lines. They raised the 2nd wave.

2nd wave: Late 60's - Women and men are equal.

3rd wave: Actually, strike that. Women > Men.

4th wave: Actually, strike that. Gender is a social construct. Being a slut is good - for women (men are rapists). Full-on Weimar degeneracy is the way.

[–]blackswan2whiteswan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Show them a picture of Andrea Dworkin

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah between 3rd and 4th wave is when I took the off-ramp.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

So yeah, while TRPers can be liberal, we usually aren't.

You have to be capable of massive cognitive dissonance to be both TRP and leftist.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't disagree, but evidentlyt here are a few who do so. Most Leftoids are fully on board with "Muh FEMINIZMZ!!! Girls RULE! Boys Drool!" bullshit, which does generally preclude one from being RP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s just more leftist cognitive dissonance. Anything to avoid giving up on your worldview

[–]DarkSoul20001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Red pill to me is seeing who the actual powers at large are in real time. I know tribalism is what causes this great divide. We need to band together and fight against the globalists.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s not apolitical. You are just suffering from cognitive dissonance because TRP principles are completely incompatible with leftism in any form, but you want to hang onto some or all of the leftist ideas and morality that you were programmed with before taking the red pill.

So when you are confronted with political problems in the modern world, almost all of which are derived from allowing women to vote and influence culture/society outside of the home, you build this giant artificial wall between TRP (which just means understanding female nature), and everything else. Acknowledging the effect of female nature on politics and culture mean you would again have to throw a long held worldview in the trash and start over, which as we all know, is hard.

[–]SalporinRP6 points7 points  (26 children) | Copy

Just because it is 95% accurate doesn't mean that TRP isn't an ideology.

[–]RStonePT25 points26 points  (25 children) | Copy

This is almost 7 years ago now

The only people calling this ideology are the same retards who turned MGTOW into an incel clubhouse.

[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

At this point we are quibbling over dictionary definitions.

Destutt de Tracy (the man who coined the term ideology) defined an ideology as the following:

  • (1) it contains an explanatory theory of a more or less comprehensive kind about human experience and the external world;

  • (2) it sets out a program, in generalized and abstract terms, of social and political organization;

  • (3) it conceives the realization of this program as entailing a struggle;

  • (4) it seeks not merely to persuade but to recruit loyal adherents, demanding what is sometimes called commitment;

  • (5) it addresses a wide public but may tend to confer some special role of leadership on intellectuals.

I'd say TRP has all of those 5 characteristics.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

It does now. Congrats reddit, you did it!

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I have only been reading TRP for about 3-3.5 years and it has been ideological since then at least.

I think that people seek to comfort themselves by saying that TRP is “100% scientific facts and knowledge” so they can feel more assured that they are believing in the “truth.”

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Reading or applying, because I notice the only people who subscribe to it as some over arching life ideology tend to do more reading and less doing.

The doers tend to enjoy a life where they are at the helm

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Look, I think you are twisting/deflecting what I am saying to suit your narrative. At the end of the day, I'm just a random person on the internet.

Would it even make any difference if I told you now I've banged 50+ women in the last 3 years? Or that I make 6 figures off of my side-hustle "e-commerce business" or whatever vague bullshit people peddle here and on the main sub to make themselves seem higher value.

I don't subscribe to TRP like some zealot (I disagree with a fair amount of the stuff posted to the main sub) but I can say that it has definitely helped my life in a lot of aspects. I get more women, I get higher quality women, my social life/career has benefitted, and I've read some great literature.

I still have plenty of ways to go, and I stumble/revert at times, but that's just life.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My only narrative is that autism is retarded.

Later

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re the worst person on here.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

RP Stone is a leftist, so he resists any and all attempts to notice any connection between TRP and politics because then he’d have to acknowledge that he holds two simultaneous conflicting world views.

It’s kind of like how when you notice a certain population group that commits a highly disproportionate amount of crime, well actually you just aren’t supposed to notice this sort of thing.

Same for Stone and the red pill. There he is going along his day, thinking to himself how women are literal children, and then he thinks “whoa... should they really be voting if they are chi-“ WHAM!!!

The cognitive dissonance wall cuts him off because women are his political allies. I mean how can he reconcile the fact that his main political allies are irresponsible children who literally don’t care about objective reality? He can’t haha. Ergo cognitive dissonance.

“Does that mean I’m being manipulated by children into voting for policies that benefit them at the expense of -“ WHAMM!!!!!!

You can’t be thinking those thoughts Stoney!

So anyways, my point is that our boy Stoney suffers from massive cognitive dissonance, which is basically the default state of all women and leftists.

So yea. I’m calling him a fucking bitch.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

Feminism is an ideology therefore a set of ideals that is against Feminism is also an ideology.

The Red Pill fits the dictionary definition of Ideology.

[–]blackswan2whiteswan0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Praxeology

[–]Terdmuffin0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Is a praxeology a type of ideology? I'm not very well versed in the differences but it seems like it could be both. For example if someone sees a shape and says it's a rectangle but someone else says it's a square. A square is a specific type of rectangle, neither is wrong. The same way it seems a praxeology is a specific type of ideology.

[–]blackswan2whiteswan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Is a praxeology a type of ideology?

Should consult a dictionary first, perhaps? Ideology is fight for and betwen ideas. That's politicians' cookie. Praxeology is what works. The tools Ask a doctor or and engineer. In ,, social engineering" a cookie is a cookie. How to partit? The interests are different between entities. Ups.. we reached sexual strategy and Briffault law? Was Brifault an ideologus maximus? Was Brifault in law school or academia? Or was in entire life in African savana? Was Andrea Porkin and Gloria who build families or were great scientists? Hello Marie Curie... Just the factsm'am just the facts. Think

[–]Terdmuffin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I honestly don't even know what you're saying. Trp seems to be an ideology formed from praxeology.

[–]blackswan2whiteswan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Should be science. Add about MHC (major hystocompatibility complex) and you are done. Well should you read sidebar first. And Smartt and Sexy- I forgot the author. And than about empiricism. You won't find in academia about Sextus Empiricus or Nassim Nicholas Taleb or Mistery & Stile And yet they told you what works. You have the tools.. use them.. just do what practicians do.. ideology like religion are the tools of the conmen. Not in your best interest.

[–]dulkemaru511 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

"An ideology is a set of ideals which to strive towards and live by ... We believe in striving towards the ideal of happiness through living by male dominance in relationships ... We are not an ideology because we have practical concepts, the application of which is in line with our ideal goals, as if all ideologies do not"

Here's a thought,

The MKUltra method of personality splitting, which has since its inception been applied on a global level, is instantiated whenever a beta male encounters a >100 IQ puzzle. That is his trigger. He is reduced to nothing but a mantra machine. And contradictions no longer register as such in his binary intuitive feedback. This systemic emasculation of men, that we are witnessing here first hand, provides us excellent insights into the female psyche. Good subjects in this regard are also found in the schizo section of the psych ward.

But look,

It is evident that whenever "ideology" is mentioned, stupid people can't help but bring a bunch of weird baggage with them. Perhaps using terms like "a philosophy" or "a worldview" can aid in making things clearer.

All things are connected. The totality gives context to the part. The way that one cannot be against feminism without being political, or be for male dominance in relationships without being inegalitarian, is the way that one cannot make value judgements without being ethical, or be ethical without being metaphysical...

... or understand "female nature" without understanding an entire host of other things.

The Red Pill is a view of the world.

If you're a sentient being with views on reality, you're "ideological". That's the message here, and has been explained to the point of nausea, in various ways, for a long time.

The world is a pretty complex place, and the sidebar doesn't describe it perfectly. When you start thinking a little, you'll be able to approach perfection in your description of it, instead. Not you, obviously, but hopefully other people.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not reading your screenplay

[–]dulkemaru510 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I know:

"Not you, obviously, but hopefully other people."

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

One tip that you haven't asked for and may not listen to:

If you can't answer the question 'whats in it for the reader to read all this? What benefit is there?' then they won't read it either. And one thing your mentor never thought about is what's in it for someone to listen to a teenager complain using 5 dollar words, without offering a solution.

Good luck with the revolution.

[–]dulkemaru511 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What's in it for the reader to understand something, that he wants to understand, better than he currently understands it... yeah, whoa, beats me.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

LMFAO I've had the same thought

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Methinks this guy is an Evola fan. They seem to see Ideology around every corner and under every rock

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Haha this guy. He shows up anywhere and anytime there’s a hint of politics on TRP to remind everyone that it’s not.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

There's about a dozen others doing the same, go autism them for a bit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Go fuck your nasty girlfriend for a bit.

[–]Swimming-Syllabub0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So your rationalisation is "It's OK since others are also doing it."

How redpill of you

[–]DarkSoul20001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I agree. I can't stand either party since both are in cahoots with the other party but red pilling for these blokes is heavy on dating and being a traditional male leading the way. I see red pill as looking at things objectively. I keep an open mind and like to explore all options or rather all schools of thoughts. Red pill is liberating to me. I do research and check out radically different subs and have seen some revealing things. It's all personal growth for me. Life is about growth imo.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (64 children) | Copy

Here we go again. A bunch of retards can't look up the dictionary definition of Ideology and see that the Red Pill is infact an ideology.

We've gone through the same bullshit for three years.

Beta Males are hesitant to take a subjective position because they lack subjectivity. So instead they want to take the position of truth rationality and science.

Apparently "all women are whores" is a scientific objective praxeological truth and not an Ideology.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (63 children) | Copy

It's not a political or economic (goods) ideology like some want it to be. To expand on what I said below, I've gone through some of /u/whisper 's post history and I can tell that we disagree on fundamental differences of political economic thought. But just because I have a different preference on how Fed should conduct monetary operations than him doesn't in any way shape or form negate the fact that pretty much everything I've read from him wrt the SMP is spot on.

We can go back and forth on praxeology versus ideology, but really, my point was that adhering to TRP isn't inherently the same as subscribing to a particular political economy POV.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper6 points7 points  (54 children) | Copy

People can go on all day about whether something is praxeology, ideology, or a fried egg, then look things up in the dictionary and argue about wording like a bunch of autists playing tabletop wargames.

Quibbling about the language used to describe things doesn't change what is actually going on.

TRP differs from political or social movements because it lacks an agenda beyond the personal. If I want to get laid more, be more respected, earn more money, have better self-control, etc, then maybe some of the lessons here might help me.

If I want to reshape society so that workers control the means of production, so that my nation is racially pure, so that prostitution is legal, or so that asparagus has the right to vote... then I'm probably on my own, at least with respect to TRP.

Since I have quite accidentally become something of a focus for this kind of thinking, I am periodically targeted for breathless explanations of how everything "should" be, and what we all "should" do to make it that way. But TRP is not a manifesto for social change, and its readers are not anyone's personal army. Not even mine.

Everybody's got a half a plan for how to make "things" "better". They know exactly what they want to do with the whole of human civilization, and zero idea of how to persuade anyone to go along with that. Or perhaps their idea is "harangue them a lot", which I suppose can be described as an idea, if not a very wise or original one. What all these crusaders, regardless of what they want, never seem to realize is that they cannot really point to any qualitative difference between them, and previous idealists who have tried on this shit and wound up on a mountain of corpses, if not in a mountain of corpses.

TRP was never intended to be another rehashing of that nonsense, but instead as a toolkit and discussion group for people who wanted to save, not the world, but simply their own ass. This is why discussions of the way things "should" be is off-limits here. You can't save the world, because no one can agree what a saved world would look like, and the world hasn't asked you to save it, or even decided it needs saving.

My general advice to those who think that TRP is a movement, ideology, or crusade is that they cannot control the universe, so they would be better served by controlling their universe.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (48 children) | Copy

Let's dissect your complete trainwreck of a response because litteraly everything you have written is categorically wrong.

You start off by reducing a pretty clear disagreement about the meaning of the word ideology into subjectivism. Why because you are a liberal and liberals hate absolutes as absolutes endanger their egalitarianism and right to blather endlessly.

People can go on all day about whether something is praxeology, ideology, or a fried egg, then look things up in the dictionary and argue about wording like a bunch of autists playing tabletop wargames.

Next you say something that is objectively false:

Quibbling about the language used to describe things doesn't change what is actually going on.

Disagreements about language are very important so important in fact that there the appellate court system was created to deal with them and multiple religious war began as a consequence over differences of interpretation. Redefining words does change whats going on. The 9th District Court is an expert at reinterpreting words so it can change what's going on. Gay Marriage is an excellent example of this.

TRP differs from political or social movements because it lacks an agenda beyond the personal. If I want to get laid more, be more respected, earn more money, have better self-control, etc, then maybe some of the lessons here might help me.

Here you make the classic bourgeois liberal mistake of not understanding that personal agendas taken in the amalgamate create a movement especially once they cause polarization The bourgeois are self centered and are incapable of totalizing according to Henry Lefebvre. This is plainly evident here. Next the Red Pills opposition to divorce laws, title 9 and alimony put it firmly in the political camp. Changing any of those things would definitely reshape society, so in that strict sense the Red Pill wants to reshape society.

Next you typed out a liberal nihlist anti-idealist screed yet again the question is why? Are you really dumb enough not to see the Red Pills many catchphrase "she's not yours it's just your turn" as non-ideological? No your actually a pretty smart fellow.

Gen X is characterized by a hedonic passive nihlism a blue pill sentiment that was imposed upon them by the rulling class Plot Twist your Ideology is preventing you from seeing the red pill as an Ideology.


So what is really the issue at hand here? Is this really about the definition of the word ideology? No, because the definition is quite clear. The Red Pill is 100% an Ideology.

You are a passive nihlists hedonist and you want to keep ejaculating into whores until the very end. Anyone asserting that words have meaning threatens your worldview a worldview where life is meaningless.

Keep creaming up Whores Whisper it's ok. Just understand that words have meaning and interpretation has consequences.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper9 points10 points  (46 children) | Copy

It's okay, I understand. I was young once, too.

What you're doing here is taking the very correct observation that words can be weaponized, that he who controls language controls how plebs think (because he controls the lego blocks they build their thoughts with), and you bundle that with the assumption that words have absolute meaning which exists independently of those who use them.

Words are defined by consensus. This is why it is immaterial whether we call Red Pill an "ideology" or not, because the word means different things to different people, and if the dictionary agrees with you, or with me, it just means that someone who happens to own a printing press thinks like we do.

So instead of a fruitless semantic argument, I elect to address the question of whether TRP actively seeks to change society or humanity. Just as I tell people that their actions define them, so do TRP's actions define it.

And my answer is, no, we are not the "save society" movement. And if you wish to launch a "save society" movement, be my guest. I'll be over here with the popcorn.

But why are you after such a thing? Well, here you give us an answer:

The bourgeois are self centered and are incapable of totalizing according to Henry Lefebvre. This is plainly evident here. Next the Red Pills opposition to divorce laws, title 9 and alimony put it firmly in the political camp.

... you're confusing desire with agenda. Every single human being with a functioning brain wants a great many things. Wants are limited only by our imagination. However, humans tend to invest their actual effort where they believe it will bear the most fruit.

Young and/or idealistic people tend to think in terms of absolutes and universals. They want to fix the universe, for whatever their definition of "fix" might be... and they tend to end up diving on a metaphorical (or literal) grenade for the sake of "society", or if they survive that self-destructive impulse, they tend to end up as slightly older idealists who urge young ones to do the grenade-diving for them (e.g. Jordan Peterson).

What they tend to be blind to, whether because their IQ is only one or two standard deviations above the mean, or because their intellect is in service to their desire to rationalize... is that society is an emergent property. It is a result of the collective behaviour of those in it, and it cannot be directly steered any more than an ant colony or a forest or the Lesser Magellanic Cloud.

They ascribe purpose and intent to the trends of history, and thus they believe not only that they can alter history with their purpose and intent (maybe), but that they can do it in the precise way that they intended, according to their purpose (probably not).

In short, they subscribe the Conspiracy Theory of History, while I subscribe the to Fuckup Theory of History. Why? Hanlon's Razor. Public figures and so-called elites, when we have an opportunity to examine their actions closely, are revealed to be just as much a troupe of incompetent clowns as your average Saturday night club crowd. They couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag... they just act stupid, and their stupidity is both the effect and the cause of similar stupidity in others.

Drag them down and a fresh set of morons will replace them. Usually draw from the morons that pulled them down.

The belief that we must fight to save society is part and parcel with the Conspiracy Theory of History... with the belief that trends in recent history which the speaker dislikes are part of a shadowy collusion on the part of nebulously defined foes to screw everyone, but most especially them. This is, of course, paranoid... in the sense that, at its core, paranoia is an ego-preserving coping mechanism. The belief that powerful people are out to get you is the belief that you are important, and the belief that your misfortunes are the result of their plotting is the belief that the universe is an orderly place, easily understood, where single effect follows single cause in a Newtonian dance back to the very beginning of time.

You are a passive nihlists hedonist

Yep.

and you want to keep ejaculating into whores until the very end

Among other things.

Anyone asserting that words have meaning threatens your worldview a worldview where life is meaningless.

"Meaning of life" is a phrase so hackneyed that people, even thoughtful ones, tend to let it spill from their lips or keyboard without ever really taking the time to examine the words literally.

Of course life doesn't have a meaning. How could it? Symbols have meaning. Because they represent other things that are not symbols. Well, life is not a symbol. It is the thing itself. How could it possibly have a meaning?

Of course, what people really mean by that phrase is "what is the purpose of life?". But the answer to that is obvious as well: "Pick one." Tools are designed for a purpose... but we're not tools, and more to the point, we're not designed. We're here by accident. So we get to pick.

You, for instance, like tiltiing at windmills. Well, have fun. I hope they catapult you up to the stars rather than down to the mud.

But I'm not keen to help you recruit young bros to join you (or be sent by you) in a Petersonesque rush to dive on some grenade or other. Because they get to chose, too. And other thing I have chosen, solely because I like it, is helping them to have the freedom, the power, and options to chose what life's purpose is for them.

You might like collectivist ethnic neofascism, with or without a dash of Marx and Engels (or God and Angels). Cool. That's your jam. Me, I like freedom... even if it's the freedom of retards to be retards, and get hoist by their own petard.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil3 points4 points  (40 children) | Copy

Red Pill Liberals hate absolutes because any assertion of any absolute threatens their freedom aka degeneracy.

In the early days of TRP.red we asserted the absolute of lifting an absolute which also happens to be the first rule of Red Pill. They didn't like it.

Why? Because demanding that people confirm to the standards they've been spam posting for the past 6 years infringes on their freedom to drink beer and cucklift.

Next since the Red Pill is about masculintity shouldn't people be held to a masculintity standard? Once again this puts an undue burden on the hedonist liberals.

Ok so now we addressed lifting and masculintity things that should be endemic to the Red Pill but aren't. You think it couldn't get any worse. No fam it gets worse.

Definitions of words are an absolute. Language needs some consistency in order to function as a medium of information exchange. A dictionary is filled with definitions and definitions are absolutes.

So what you see happening in this thread is pure postmodern degeneracy where in effect your claiming "words mean whatever I want them to." The Red Pill is not an Ideology even if it 100% fits the definition of Ideology.

Why are they doing this? Because if they can assert that words can be subjectively redefined at will then they can never be proven wrong.

They want to say retarded shit all day and so long as language has no fixed meaning you can never call them out on their shit.

That's also why their responses are blathering spaghetti salad intended to confuse you rather than address issue. They want the world to be confusing and unknowable as possible so they can have the "freedom" to be a degenerate. That's why all of your responses to me structurally resemble insipid parliamentary debate ultimately resulting in nothing apart from confusion of the mass.

You are so Liberal that you want to liberate words from meaning so nobody can ever by right and nobody can ever be wrong thus achieving the liberal goal of Equality.


In conclusion you are diving on the grenade of liberal relativist degeneracy by your own admission with regard to your body and mind exactly like Jordan Peterson. To the Red Pill liberal the Red Pill isn't a movement. Why? Because a relativist can never decide in which direction to move to him it's all relative.

I'm going to fascisticly teach philosphy while getting men in the best shape of their life asserting absolutes in the process.

Hmm I wonder which world view is more beneficial platonic masculintity or bourgeois liberalism?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper6 points7 points  (38 children) | Copy

What an entirely predictable disappointment; that old shibboleth, "degeneracy", which so many people are dead set against, but utterly unable to define.

When questioned, it usually comes out that they cannot distinguish between categorical and hypothetical imperatives, and thus they want everything to be a rule enforced by people with clubs, seeking to legislate people better than they are.

But the human race is not perfectible. You can't make people smarter by giving them books to read, because reading books doesn't make people smarter... it's only what people often like to do if they already happen to be smart. The intellectual's wine and philosophy are not categorically different than the simpleton's beer and football... they are both simply nostrums against tedium.

People who don't understand this tend to construct elaborate cargo-cult schemes for the betterment of humanity, and end up holding the bag when Jon Frumm doesn't arrive.

shouldn't people be held to a masculintity standard?

Held by whom? And for what purpose? And held how?

Here you are, arguing endlessly about what people "should" do, and how to make them do it, unable to distinguish between the Liberal and the Anarch, because you're convinced that with the right collection of blandishments, incentives, philosophical ink clouds, laws, and possibly truncheon beatings, you can save people from themselves.

So let me make simpler for you: You can't fix stupid. You can't turn stupid into smart, and you can't construct such an elaborate set of "thou shalts" and "thou shalt nots" that it can pass a Turing test and guide stupid people through life.

That's why I am content to supply dudes with ideas for personal well-being and nothing more. Because the point behind the parable of the sower isn't hard to understand, and I'm quite willing to write losers off rather than sacrifice myself or anyone else who gets it in futile crusade to change all of society into an incubator for retards.

So when you say:

Shouldn't people be held to a masculintity standard?

My answer is that "should" just means "I want". And no, I don't want to run around "holding" a bunch of soyboys to a masculinity standard. I don't want to invest my time in them. They are a writeoff. You can't fix stupid.

I want to associate with those who hold themselves to a masculinity standard, and watch the others self destruct, preferably from a great distance, while I eat popcorn and crack jokes.

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degeneracy", which so many people are dead set against, but utterly unable to define.

We’ve already established that you’re not that into objective definitions of observable reality. No need to keep reminding us.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Oh, fuss fuss fuss. Must I hold your hand and walk you through every step? What was it I said about being stuck in binary thinking?

If I say that words are defined by consensus, does that immediately mean to you that language is pointless, because nothing means anything?

Let me give you a little rundown on how language works. Words are symbols used in an attempt to replicate the thoughts of one person in the head of another. But this process is imperfect, because no two brains are wired up the same way, so there are greater and lesser degrees of overlap between what's going on in one brain when it speaks a word, and what is going on in another brain when it hears that word.

The more abstract the concept, the less the degree of overlap.

That is why abstract discussions require unpacking of definitions to be fruitful. And that is where arguing semantics becomes pointless. You can argue all day about what the word "ideology" means, if you lose sight of the fact that no one discovered the word "ideology". Instead, they invented it. Words are engineering technology, not scientific discovery.

If someone's IQ is less about two standard deviations above the mean, they are going to have trouble with a trap called symbol-object confusion. They occasionally forget that the map is not the territory. Then they have arguments about whether Pluto "is" or "isn't" a "planet".

But out in the litoral of light, where the sun burns dim and cold, Pluto is not actually cycling back and forth between states, growing and shrinking, as this argument goes on. Nothing is happening to Pluto. The state of reality is not changing. Whether Pluto is or isn't a "planet" depends entirely on what you mean by "planet". If you argue about whether Pluto is or isn't a planet, you're not arguing about facts at all. You're arguing about how to use the symbol "planet", and what it should you want it to represent.

This is of course, silly, and wastes a lot of time, until you get someone in the discussion who IS tall enough to ride the symbol/object roller coaster, and he says "What do you mean by planet?"

Then you can immediately enter into a fruitful discussion of whether or not Pluto has cleared its orbit, which is a matter of fact with one right answer, because everyone agrees on what "Pluto", "orbit", and "clear" mean.

So if someone can't "define degeneracy", that means they can't describe what they mean by that word so that others can understand it, let alone produce a consensus, let alone describe it in such a way that it can be seen to be permutations of single phenomenon.

You can make a rule that says "no murdering people", because everyone agrees on what people are, and what murder is. (Barring a few nutcases, perhaps.)

But if you make a rule that says "no degeneracy", "no hate speech", no one knows what is and isn't those things. There's no consensus.

So if someone wants me to say that a massive collection of my scribblings is an "ideology", they first have to tell me what they mean by "ideology". If they want me to join the fight against "degeneracy", they first have to tell me what the ever-loving fuck they mean by "degeneracy"... before we can even talk about whether it would improve anything for anyone, much less for me personally.

Otherwise you are George Bush, declaring a global war on a tactic. Good luck knowing when you've won that fight.

You know, if I were a cynical person (I am), I would almost suspect that people who want everyone to follow them to war against a broad, vaguely defined thing don't really want to rigidly define that that thing... because then they would have a harder time directing that mob against whoever the fuck they happen to not like this week.

The authoritarian left plays this trick with the words "hate speech" and "racism". The authoritarian right plays this trick with the word "degeneracy". All of these are symbols which are intended to change their objects according to dictates of the speaker, serving as a perpetual Emmanuel Goldstein in a perpetual Fifteen Minutes of Hate.

I don't know whether you are trying to dispense this particular blue pill, or are actually just getting high on your own supply, but this is the place for men to learn to weaponize language to their own advantage... not the place for them to attempt to do that to each other.

No fighting in the War Room.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (29 children) | Copy

Degenerate is an easy word to define, it's an adjective that describes that which does not generate. So a male to female transvestite is degenerate because it is infertile. A woman's study's course is degenerate because it doesn't generate anything unlike an engineering course.

Wow dude first you didn't know what Ideology meant even though here we are together on the internet with no one stopping you from using any number of dictionaries to help you figure it out. Now here you are confusing yourself out of looking up the word degenerate.

Why so much self mystification? I'll tell you why. Because life is a huge Trolly Problem. Your solution to the difficult question of which leaver to pull isn't to read meaningful books or think on the issue deeply. Your solution is bourgeois self mystification. Basically if you spin around in circles long enough you won't even know that there is a lever to begin with. Problem solved! Now that's what I call Alpha! Just kidding self mystification is degenerate because it prevents people from accomplishing anything meaningful.

How does it feel to be a native English speaker who has to be taught the meaning of words by a non native English speaker? Does it feel degenerate? I'm just trying to use the word in different sentences to help you understand the language of your birth.

Next you make an argument that books don't make people smarter. Hmm I remember in elementary school being given math workbook those helped teach me math and make me smarter. I also remember reading Henry Lefebvre Critique Of Everyday Life a book that prepaid me how to deal with bourgeois self mystification. So yes books do make you smarter. They help people recognize patterns more.

Why are you against books? Because you want everything to be as confusing as possible so you can absolve yourself of all responsibility. Books make the world less confusing and are therefore bad.

Next your going to argue that the human race is not perfectable as if fitness doesnt exist, as if schooling doesn't exist and as if books don't exist as of laws and systems of coersion don't exist. Almost as if you are some kind of hard liberal relativist.... Who doesn't belive that anything can be improved in any way.

It's almost as if you spent so much time with dumb sluts that you have been reduced to their level of discourse from inhabiting it for too long. Are the impressed by the word Shiboleth? You seem to like that one.

Speaking of Cargo Cult schemes isn't forced nonunderstanding called Liberalism? If self stupification isn't a cargo cult, I don't know what is. Basically what your doing here is a Healthy At Any Size but for the mind.

Right now I'm watching white American society self destruct and get replaced by Mexicans while I eat popcorn and crack jokes with my European friends about how degenerate they've become.

What if your not enjoying the decline but your own decline?

Anyway if you ever get tired of declining hit me up and I'll write you a fitness plan. Hugs and kisses 😘

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy

Wow dude first you didn't know what Ideology meant even though here we are together on the internet with no one stopping you from using any number of dictionaries to help you figure it out. Now here you are confusing yourself out of looking up the word degenerate.

"Degenerate", according to Mirriam-Webster:

having declined or become less specialized (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state; having sunk to a condition below that which is normal to a type

"Degenerate", according to /u/gaylubeoil:

Degenerate is an easy word to define, it's an adjective that describes that which does not generate. So a male to female transvestite is degenerate because it is infertile. A woman's study's course is degenerate because it doesn't generate anything unlike an engineering course.

That's why I tell you to define your terms, there, sparky. Because Mirriam-Webster and GayLubeOil don't agree with each other, and it ain't Mirriam-Webster I'm talking to.

So, now that you have at last come around to specifying what the fuck you are talking about, we can figure out your real agenda and motives through the thick cloud of disingenuous crap.

What you mean by "degenerate" is declining fertility... the tendency of a culture or race to fail, for whatever reason, to expand, or perhaps even sustain, its numbers through successive generations. This makes it appear as if less babies bothers you, or specifically less white babies, because the diversity certainly isn't refusing to breed.

You want more white babies.

Right now I'm watching white American society self destruct and get replaced by Mexicans

Exactly. And while I'm not about to scream "racist", because that epithet pretty much exists so that one half of the authoritarian left can scream it at the other half of the authoritarian left, I have other ideas.

Specifically, the idea: Why the fuck should I, or any young man who looks to me for guidance or inspiration, give a shit?

These guys have been exploited enough already. Proselytized enough already for crusades that line the pockets and ensure the futures of others. I'm not teaching them to be good little soldiers. Good little soldiers get screwed. I'm teaching them to be mercenaries who demand half pay in advance before lifting a finger.

The Jordan Petersens of this world want young men to start working together, risking and sacrificing, to "save society". But save it for whom? These young dudes are going to live the rest of their lives in what you so apt termed "Upside Down Clown World", and their only hope of personal benefit is in learning to thrive there.

JP doesn't want to save society for young men. He wants young men to save society for future generations. Why? Because he has kids, that's why. Scratch a principled political idealist until the paint comes off, and you'll find a personal agenda.

I knew, four years ago when I wrote this, that you and others like you would eventually figure out what I was on about and start fussing at me. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long, because I've made no secret of my recommendation that young men discard their indoctrinated loyalties and begin analyzing their involvement in society as a value proposition.

So I don't recommend to them that they expend their efforts saving society, because society hasn't made any indication of thinking that it needs to be saved, and thus is not about to open its damn checkbook.

"Buuuuuut Whhiissssper, it's their society! They live in it! They should save it for themselves and their children!"

Well, how the hell is it "their" society? None of it belongs to them. It doesn't respect them. It doesn't listen to them. It's spent the last twelve decades or so spitting on them. It sold them out before they were even born.

Why should they run after it, like abused children begging for love from the parent that beats them, trying to convince society to change its ways?

These are people. They are not here for your amusement. They are not a means to an end. They exist in their own right, not for the sake of whatever benefit they can bring to others. If what was once their nation or their culture wants them back, it can offer them something in return. Cash up front, please, because they've learn how much the promises of wannabe leaders are actually worth.

Otherwise, I'll be my tent, Agamemnon. Good luck with Hektor.

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Books don't make you smarter anymore than giving a monkey a book makes them smarter.

A person's ability to absorb and utilize information is what "makes" them smarter and even still that doesn't make them "smart" or even more importantly, wise.

People who are smart tend to not be wise because they still easily fall under the sway of base emotional urges. Hell, they actually justify these emotional swings as moments of inspiration and brilliance when all they're really doing is resorting to baser level thinking.

Right now, you're arguing about words and about the decline. About how Americans are falling apart here in the states due to the decline, and frankly I really don't see the problem with that at all. The Americans, including myself, are getting exactly what we deserve and the wisest among us are just waiting out the storm until the new world comes in.

The fact of the matter is that theredpill is and isn't an ideology. But wait, I'm contradicting myself!

The truth is to me and others, The red pill is a set of heuristic principles to be kept in mind as a navigational tool to get to where I want to go in my life. To you and others, it seems to be some sort of club where you share similar values.

The whole point of being a man is to be a man. That's singular. Individual. Not plural. Somewhere along the line a bunch of guys who are afraid of political entities decided to band together like a school of fish or a herd of cattle, and thus they became the thing that they've espoused to be resisting: a political entity that is attempting to impose it's values on others.

You've basically become just another political group with an agenda and followers, and now you're all being possessed. It's amazing that you can't see it. You're trading in your authentic individuality for this collectivist mindset (by any other standard) and thinking that's an upgrade.

No, you are free to continue thinking that the redpill is some new edgy movement the likes of which the world has never seen, but I for one am not looking to join mgtow 2.0 with a cooler look. A soldier dies for another man's cause, and a warrior dies for his own.

And before you break me down, let me set you up by making you aware I'm the product of Nazi experimentation on my father's side with a mix of Mexican, and inbred illegitimate trailer park trash on my mother's side. I also have no job and live in a run down mobile, living off of meat and coffee. Roast me.

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You are so Liberal that you want to liberate words from meaning so nobody can ever by right and nobody can ever be wrong thus achieving the liberal goal of Equality.

Powerful

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is giving me the "playing chess with a Pidgeon" vibe right now

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because mentally you are a pigeon. Any chess game you participate in it has a mental pigeon in it.

[–]dulkemaru510 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

They couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag

Are you not quarantined? I don't mean this sub, but like everyone in your country.

Drag them down and a fresh set of morons will replace them. Usually draw from the morons that pulled them down.

Yeah, competing power factions compete, but the IDEOLOGY which underlies their geopolitical progression, and has done so since its beginning, is unfolding in a predictable manner; I'm sure you remember a time when tranny toddlers were abnormal, and when "faggot" was a respectable insult... maybe the white papers stating that social credit run smart cities will be ubiquitous by 2050, and the Gill Bates endorsed MIT report that calls Couronne an instrumental step in that direction, didn't convince you? I guess we'll see.

Tools are designed for a purpose... but we're not tools, and more to the point, we're not designed. We're here by accident. So we get to pick.

I don't think you explicitly denied TRP being an ideology earlier, so this admission is a good one way ticket away from that ever becoming a possibility. As is this:

Me, I like freedom... even if it's the freedom of retards to be retards, and get hoist by their own petard.

My best guess is that this is an effort in vain, but, when people finally recognize that they indeed have a worldview/ideology/philosophy, at least a snag is presented in the fabric, a potential way in. Like benign hypnosis, like a good bad trip.

After realizing that the horizons of one's mental economy don't stretch out into infinity, IF one decided to be open to new ideas, it's obvious as fuck that a lot would change. That's the whole point here.

For instance, if one believed that it was more masculine to lead a bunch of hungry young men towards a concrete goal, than to be a self-proclaimed hedonist, one would do that, given that one considered masculinity worth embracing. Maybe one'd realize that promoting something, anything, other than nihilistic hedonism, would help guys more, something you said you enjoyed doing. Or maybe you'd figure that there might be more to female behaviour than hyper-gamee, from which new alpha pickup tips could be extracted, or maybe even an official political TRP agenda the objective of which was to create a society where pussy was easier to get, which would be totally consistent with helping guys get laid.

The intellectually lazy cynicism here, characteristic of the RP paradigm, just seems very unmasculine. Maybe I'm wrong, and it's actually objectively masculine. Or maybe there's no objective masculinity, and we are just genderless clowns submitting meaningless pixels at each other.

I won't explicitly ask you to be open and willing to think new things. I'm just saying...

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Since you have never set foot in the United States you have the pleasure of only knowing about these people's tendencies through a computer screen and never having to see it play out in person.

Anglos tend have this position of “rationalism” that they don’t realize is in effect relativist because as soon it starts to get aggressive they revert to “freedom”. Meanwhile previously they were touting what they consider an objective standard

These people are wedded to intellectually lazy cynicism, enjoying their declining birthrate and claiming to be masculine alpha leaders while at the same time concurrently promoting nihlism.

Let's help directionless men by saying life has no meaning but also concurrently repeating that man needs a mission and to be motivated.

Gen X likes to masterbate to righteous indignation but doesn't want to think to hard while they do it

Finally as you and I know these people will never admit they are wrong. Rollo Buttsultan Familyalpha never ever admit anything ever that's how they "hold frame bro"

That's why whenever you corner the anglo they try to feed you the anglo word salad

Anglo Word Salad: salad made from the spring mix of shit contradictory logic that’s been sitting in the back of your fridge for three weeks covered in an artisanal dressing of blather and pontification to cover the taste of rotting greens

[–]dulkemaru510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

At least it makes sense, which is nice.

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You are a passive nihlists hedonist and you want to keep ejaculating into whores until the very end.

This really is all they want. They can’t see that cumming in 50 random women who are using birth control while your civilization collapses around you is quite literally insane.

We just have to make sure that these kinds of people are completely excluded from any type of leadership in whatever the next iteration of the dissident right is. Whatever, they’ll accept what’s coming without doing shit, just like they accept this current reality without doing shit

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

*multiverse

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If you guys want to keep pretending this shit isn’t political, then TRP is going to be left behind, as it already is starting to be. Everything TRP says about men and women, personal finance, lifting, spinning plates, etc. is correct. All it leads to is hedonism though, and people are starting to wake up this fact. TRP is a dead end.

Ok I’ve banged 50 women, but I’m not supposed to exclusively date any or get married. That means I really can’t have kids (and please spare me the “alternate“ route... no upper middle class white women are going to agree to make babies with you without getting married).

So what the hell are we doing?? I’m just supposed to spin plates the rest of my life? Honestly it’s fucking a stupid after a while. It’s just a higher form of masturbation. It’s sexual pleasure with no point.

If you aren’t going to start talking larger political solutions then you’re just a more effective form of Jordan Peterson. And no... I’m not talking about voting more harder in elections.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If you guys want to keep pretending this shit isn’t political

To a certain extent we are, because regardless of whether we take an interest in politics, politics takes an interest in us. This does not, however, mean that we have to go on a great crusade, or be someone's personal army.

then TRP is going to be left behind, as it already is starting to be.

Left behind what? It works precisely as well as it ever did for what it was always for. TRP is no longer controversial or cutting edge in same sense that it was, precisely because it moved the Overton window by being obviously correct and getting shit done.

Ok I’ve banged 50 women, but I’m not supposed to exclusively date any or get married. That means I really can’t have kids (and please spare me the “alternate“ route... no upper middle class white women are going to agree to make babies with you without getting married).

Setting aside the fact that a non-trivial number of upper middle class white and asian women have begged me to make babies with them without getting married, so what?

If you have a drive to have children, then you're gonna do whatever you decide to do to scratch that itch. But make no mistake, it's an itch. You're not motivated by some vast altruistic drive to perpetuate the species, or creating personal immortality by assuring the eventual existence of a being that doesn't know your name and shares 1/1024th of your genes.

Some people just want kids.

You wanted to put your dick in women, you put your dick in about 50 of them, now you know how to scratch that itch and you're focused on another one. If you want advice on that, try MRP. If you don't need advice, and you feel like you know enough to forge ahead, okay. It's your show, Jack. Do what you want.

But don't expect help from me, because I can't give it. I don't want bacon golems, and I can't, on some level, understand why you do. So I can no more give you meaningful guidance on the subject than I could write a seduction manual for gay men, or tips for trannies on how to pass as a woman.

Having kids isn't the meaning of life, because there is no meaning of life. Just things that add value to your life. You pick.

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You're not motivated by some vast altruistic drive to perpetuate the species, or creating personal immortality by assuring the eventual existence of a being that doesn't know your name and shares 1/1024th of your genes.

This is too dumb to respond to, but I’ll try. Yes, down the generations, your direct descendants will share ever smaller proportions of your genes, but so what? First, your math is stupid, because if we’re talking about only 1/1024 then I may have thousands of living descendants who would add up to several whole genetic “me’s.”

But in a deeper sense this is just a very oversimplified way of looking at it. I also have my extended family, my ethnicity, and being a white westerner, all rings of people with varying degrees of genetic closeness to me. There is some degree of kin selection in place for all of these groups, especially if we consider them in the aggregate, not as individuals.

But really this is just such a silly argument to make... like you’re going to try to argue that fighting for your people’s genetic future is somehow pointless or unnatural? It’s laughable honestly, and the only context in which it makes any sense is if you embrace pure nihilism and think that literally nothing matters. Because if anything in the universe does matter, this is the first. Nothing else even can matter without this mattering.

Having kids isn't the meaning of life, because there is no meaning of life.

More nihilism. You can get people in the door with pussy, but you’re not going to keep them here with this. If life has no meaning, why don’t you just OD on heroism and die in a haze of pleasure? That would actually be the rational thing to do.

Left behind what?

Left behind as in declining traffic of quality members who are moving on to other parts of the forbidden conservative internet which are offering something with more meaning.

I think the TRP nihilism comes mostly from the belief that we can’t do anything to change our situation at the ballot box, which is true. But that doesn’t mean that we might not be in a position to do something someday. Most people believe an economic crisis is coming because the welfare state must eventually collapse.

For those of us that think there is some meaning to life, we’d like to start thinking about what we can to do to unfuck things if such a situation does play out.

Edit:

Setting aside the fact that a non-trivial number of upper middle class white and asian women have begged me to make babies with them without getting married

Yea I’m calling bullshit on this, just like on all your other stories. Or maybe you are getting desperation offers from post wall 33 year olds who know they aren’t getting married to Chad? Either way, bullshit.

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You know, I used to be like you.

Bottom line is, it doesn't matter what someone else tells you is the purpose of life because your guess is as good as theirs! It's obviously not just to have kids because how many men live on through history, inventions, music, ideology etc that have never fathered a child? It's obviously not just about being a "great man" because how many truly heroic men live a life and die with no one there to even hold their hand on their death bed much less remember their name long after their gone.

No. You're confused. There is no movement. There is no purpose. There is no point in engaging in politics because if voting mattered those in power wouldn't let us do it.

You shouldn't be trying to live a life where you're trying dodge feminist bullets or whatever political weapon society throws against you. You should live a life where you don't have to dodge anything anymore.

We're the authors of our own individual stories. Not Whisper. Not Jordan Peterson. Not Bernie Sanders. Not Donald Trump. I'm not waiting around for someone else to enlighten me on the "purpose of life* because I'm plenty capable of defining my own purpose. So the fuck outta here talking about TRP not keeping up with your ideals of what it should be.

If what you say is so important, make quality posts, create quality content, and start TheRedPill-REVISED! then. Don't try to hijack someone else's hard work because you're too lazy to do what he did. No one gives a fuck about you or what you want.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

An antifeminist position is a political position. Next when the Red Pill does discuss economics which is rare it's always a free market position. The Red Pill never takes a Bernie Sanders socialist position and it's uniform in this regard.

Next Economic policy shapes the sexual market directly. This is a hard fact irrespective of whether you are intellectually capable of recognizing it as such.

The more money is available in student loans the longer women can whore around in college care free free. Back before easy student loans a father could stop paying his daughters tuition if he found out she was passing out the pussy. This form of control no longer works today. In other words Keynesian NeoLiberal economics creates whores.

The Red Pill has economic and political ramifications that are a direct consequence of it's views on sex. So no you are wrong, I think I decisively refuted your two main points.

The bigger issue is that the Red Pill is filled with midwits, who are incapable of big picture top down thinking. They need step by step praxeological plans and can never understand the big picture, chief among them is Rian Stone who is faging in this thread.

Their shit tier understanding doesn't change the fact that they are participating in an Ideology whether or not they belive themselves to be doing so.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

An antifeminist position is a political position.

Feminism is just TRP for women. There are parts of the feminine imperative that I agree are obscene, but much like the market place for economic goods, I don't view the SMP as a zero-sum struggle between the sexes (I think there's much more of one between the top cohorts of each sex [i.e. top 20% male versus the elliot rodgers of the world] than between sexes, but that might just be the Marxian in me) unless you're both a male and at the left end of the bellcurve.

Next when the Red Pill does discuss economics which is rare it's always a free market position. The Red Pill never takes a Bernie Sanders socialist position and it's uniform in this regard.

I'm all for free markets, but the U.S. having a floating exchange rate, independent monetary policy, debt in its own currency, and little capital controls which enables it to essentially "print" as much as it wants without much inflation, allows me to take the position that student debt is an easily solved problem. Again, has no bearing on whether I've seen alpha widows before.

Next Economic policy shapes the sexual market directly. This is a hard fact irrespective of whether you are intellectually capable of recognizing it as such.

Agreed, but the SMP also shapes economic policy.

In other words Keynesian NeoLiberal economics creates whores.

If you're going to base your ideal of the most preferable political and economic system according to how much you can't stand whores, that's your prerogative.

In all reality, I don't subscribe to a Post-Keynesian economic paradigm because I like being nice to single moms, but because it has predictive power in the financial markets. If a conservative, Austrian economist/gold standard proponent were to place a bet on the Fed producing hyperinflation back in 2010 - 11, they would've lost their shit. And similarly, I don't subscribe to TRP because I fancy myself as some uber-Alpha, but because I've witnessed, wondered, and experienced the sidebar myself.

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Student debt is a very easily solved problem. “Modern monetary theory” is obviously correct.

The red pill is obviously an ideology. Degeneracy obviously means things that don’t generate. This is the weirdest argument ever

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

“Modern monetary theory” is obviously correct.

Careful, crazy talk like that will get you banned around here!

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Really? I thought this sub was about sex or something

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's a joke, the mods are remarkably tolerant of the Libs so long as you read the fucking sidebar :-)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I ain’t no lib :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why does TRP favor a "free market" wherein the currency is funny money on a screen backed by a banker's promise? Meaning, Chase doesn't have a horde of gold in every location's vault serving its public that could at any time be plundered by some alfa, much less 10% of its customers liquid to get meta.

As being proven in our current situation, the legitimacy of the American system is in jeopardy. Subsequently the USD's legitimacy as the international litmus test... and all you have to know about the authenticity of fiat currency is a google image of the Duestchmark post WWI to see children playing with thousands upon thousands of them as if they were legos when 5 years earlier those "legos" would buy a house in Berlin.

So what's Post-TRP economic theory? Or are we to continue on making more and more vapid masturbation sleeves for our proles on the government dime?

[–]niceguyputin[S] -2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy

What’s the 5% it gets wrong?

[–]Kidterrific26 points27 points  (6 children) | Copy

It doesn’t get 5% wrong. 5 percent of people don’t fit the paradigm.

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[–]salezman1213 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Talking about that 5% does nothing but get the hamsters runnin. Don't worry about that 5%. You'll be better off for it.

[–]Jacked5parrow7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Outliers. There’s outliers with anything. “AWALT”. All Women are Like This is the not same as All Women WILL do this. Though a majority here uses AWALT as any women you talk to will cheat on you asap

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[–]Jacked5parrow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No girl is a unicorn. Unicorn is an idea or an outline of what you want to ver your LTR to be or whatever you want to call her.

[–]Kidterrific0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Imagine your your dumb bullshit working on 95 percent of the population.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nothing significant, just a different interpretation of my own observations. Read the whole fucking thing.

[–]niceguyputin[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Do you mean the sidebar

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup

[–]DerekMorganBAU50 points51 points  (2 children) | Copy

I just got to this shit cause it looked dope.

I'm a different demographic then most of you crakkahs (I use that term lovingly) especially since I grew up in the hood but this shit is still spot on. I knew this all along I just ain't have the words to describe it.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

but this shit is still spot on. I knew this all along I just ain't have the words to describe it.

Same. First time I read the sidebar I LOLed

[–]_Icarus_Reborn_13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely.

Always knew why I wasn't successful with girls/women. I just couldn't put my finger on it.

As soon as started reading the sidebar and posts, I literally started seeing examples plain as day.

Like that moment neo starts seeing the matrix, eyes wide open.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it's a shame. Because hypergamy is as proven as evolution

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

At it's core it's supposed to be pragmatic. A set of guidelines and disciplines that help you achieve rule zero. Ideology and pragmatism rarely make good bedfellows.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only if you have a stupid ideology. Just because an ideology is pragmatic doesn’t make it not an ideology. It just means your ideology has a more accurate description of reality than others. This place really is filled with midwits who can’t see five feet in front of their faces.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And if this whole question isn't a great example why

[–]i-am-the-prize22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

it's codified praxeology, mostly; with some theory/extrapolation (ie: without a time machine we can't know how the top 15-20% of tribal men behaved, but we can see thanks to the genome project that they did all the fucking, e.g.) so we fill in the gaps based on the modern day observations. "but there's no way to know!" yeah, but look at what works...

I think MGTOW is an ideology: "I will shun women because..." RP doesnt' start like that. I see it as: "boys, sit down, you've been lied to by society, women, your mom, TV shows: here's what we observe..." so even the initial hook isn't a proclamation of a religious viewpoint, rather a "I will lay out a lot of data... go connect the dots, if you dare".

and look at the reactions (and other viewpoints) of those who want to see RP fail... that is also telling, their rebuttals are ideological, ironically.

[–]blackswan2whiteswan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dead on balls. This.. they can't won't do the work. With the tools and the drawings on hand

[–]Siyuen_Tea[🍰] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

The red pill is like the bible. Everyone is reading the same thing yet interpretations are wildly different. Some say red pill shows all women are sluts, some say red pill is a strategy to get women, some say it's a way to show you don't need women at all and some say it's all about improving yourself. What I don't know is when it became political.

[–]niceguyputin[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. After lurking here so much this is what I’ve understood.

I think the way you interpret it leads to how you filter for girl and this leads a confirmation bias. You believe all women are hoes, you screen for hoes and so on

[–]mrpoopistan10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy

There are folks with strong ideological agendas who see TRP as a vehicle for political ends.

My experience, however, is that the desire to get laid doesn't really have as much of an ideological bent as those people see.

On balance, I find the strongly ideological folks -- "The End of Western Civilization" crowd is particularly who I have in mind -- as not really getting it. Life goes on. Evolution doesn't have time for your bullshit.

I think the right-wing ideologues who oftentimes attach themselves to TRP aren't being as realistic about things as they claim. I think they've just found a vehicle.

[–]niceguyputin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Life goes on

Until your society collapses or stagnates and becomes a shithole because you let women vote and let foreigners take you over. But yea party on dude... nothing matters except blowing your load in the next skank.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

In my experience, folks lamenting the decline of civilization do so not because civilization is declining but because they wish to wreck it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your experience is not reflective of observable reality, and in fact is literally the opposite of what is really happening. Any other incorrect observations?

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I fart in your general direction.

[–]666Evo2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Life goes on.

I don't think anyone disagrees with this statement.

The question is what type of life goes on. Some of us don't like the way the answer to that question is heading.

[–]mrpoopistan-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

The thing that frustrates me the most with TRP is that many of the biggest ideological complaints are about genies that are not going back in the bottle.

For example, a good portion of modern feminine behavior arises from the advent of the birth control pill. Short of an Islamist revolution, that's not going back the way it was.

[–]666Evo0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

For example, a good portion of modern feminine behavior arises from the advent of the birth control pill. Short of an Islamist revolution, that's not going back the way it was.

I don't know that Islam is required but yes, a revolution is due. Nobody is under any illusions that this is a quick and simple process.

The pill is definitely part of it, but society was deliberately shifted at the same time. The sexual "revolution" was pushed on us by all forms of media. This is where the behaviour stems from.
It has continued to be pushed to more degenerate depths since, but that was when the paradigm really shifted.

There's no reason that process can't be reversed provided the right circumstances.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not in America.

[–]666Evo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not with that attitude.

[–]VojvodaSrpski-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Evolution doesn’t have time for your bullshit

Why would you assume I believe in evolution..

[–]mrpoopistan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm sorry. You do have the legal right to be a fuckin idiot, I suppose.

My bad.

More seriously, though, TRP is at least a neighbor of evolutionary psychology. Evo psych has its flaws, but the core theories of TRP depend on at least buying into the general thesis of evo psych that certain behaviors are evolutionary driven.

[–]VojvodaSrpski0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

bible is redpilled bible doesn’t agree with “evolution”

Explain this atheist.

[–]mrpoopistan-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pass. I don't do fiction book reviews.

[–]LLL3peat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It works. Multiple sexual partners and with your change of mindset/personal development, you attract a healthier relationship dynamic. She submits and follows to be in your life, not you chasing to beg for her to be like Disney and every cartoon ever.

Got higher paying work, get more respect, less stress/drama over unnecessary things, life’s quite a bit better then the Disney fairytale I grew up with.

Took family and friends 3-5 years to realize I meant business about my actions on changing things/actions towards life goals/striving for the best, but it works if you actually do it/not put up with bullshit/and don’t half ass things.

[–]LeEbinConchShell6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

to me its reality properly compartmentalized for men to maximize their success with women and life in general. the rational male is a must read.

[–]BruhMoment458868 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

I see trp knowledge to be very true on most occasions. The only cases where these rules do not apply 100% is with the type of girls that go on Reddit.

They get triggered because they're the ones that stay at home all day and read library books, binge watch Harry Potter, and post cat memes all day. They don't see what we're talking about because they dont have the looks or experience to understand.

I've made the stupid mistake of trying to explain female nature to a female and it's weird they're honestly not even self aware. Most of them honestly do believe they love men for their personalities and other blue pill beliefs.

[–]niceguyputin[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know my experience is the same. Reddit and twitter chicks appear to be different from real life lawl

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP knowledge being "true" or not has nothing to do with whether or not it is an ideology or not

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

TRP is not an ideology in the traditional sense.

What it is, is a set of theories concocted to explain time-tested best practices.

In other words, men in the modern age are doing what they've always done: try to get laid and have meaningful relationships. What's new, is that now we can use the internet to learn from each other.

As a result, we've created a sort of aggregate best practices -- ie, "here's some shit that seems to work." Over time, the smarter and more scientifically-informed guys did the work of laying down the theory to support the evidence.

TRP, then, is best understood as working towards a Complete Theory of Human Sexual Relations, with a slant towards practical male strategy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How is that not an ideology? You’re just saying it’s not an ideology because it’s not a shitty ideology that doesn’t work. That just makes it a good ideology.

[–]Zapche4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

True red pill is real fucking life. A lot of people are uncomfortable with the fact that woman can only do thing men LET them do through social contract. The king queen system is a superior relationship model. Yea bitch your the queen but still the queen to the king.

Red pill is how life actually works. People are just soft and think everything is fair and equal it’s just not and it never will be.

Red pill isn’t an ideology it’s the way the world operates.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, because ideology and religion are their template for this kind of thing. I see it more along the lines of self-help.

[–]TheStumblingWolf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It can't be an ideology because everyone's goals are different.

[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

TRP is without a doubt an ideology. That doesn't mean there isn't a lot of truth in it, that doesn't mean that it's bad, it's just true.

Destutt de Tracy (the man who coined the term ideology) defined an ideology as the following:

  • (1) it contains an explanatory theory of a more or less comprehensive kind about human experience and the external world;

  • (2) it sets out a program, in generalized and abstract terms, of social and political organization;

  • (3) it conceives the realization of this program as entailing a struggle;

  • (4) it seeks not merely to persuade but to recruit loyal adherents, demanding what is sometimes called commitment;

  • (5) it addresses a wide public but may tend to confer some special role of leadership on intellectuals.

I'd say that TRP checks a lot of those boxes. People on here will get butthurt about defining TRP as an ideology because they don't want to see themselves as adhering to one. They will say that TRP is all about "muh facts and knowledge" as if that rhetoric hasn't been used to defend pretty much every ideology to have ever existed. Whether or not TRP "knowledge" is true or not has little to do with it being correctly labeled as an ideology.

[–]noPTSDformePlease3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

2 does not check out unless you consider "go lift" a program of social and political organization.

4 does not check out. no one is demanding commitment.

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You are reading into it way too literally. The Red Pill subreddit is social organization...

4 does check out because if you don't agree with TRP "truths" you are banned from the main sub.

[–]noPTSDformePlease0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are reading into it way too literally.

Hello pot. Meet kettle.

[–]niceguyputin[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

4 does not check out

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It certainly does. How many people get banned from the main sub for posting shit that goes against TRP "code" for lack of a better term?

"Believe in what we believe or you're not welcome here" is essentially what those bans are.

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Both of the subs have at times become overrun with bullshit bluepill posts/comments.

You need to take a step back and think about what TRP is at it's basic dumbed down core: a group of guys on the internet laying out the best ways to get pussy.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Auto mechanics is a praxeology, you'll get fired from the shop if you can't hold a wrench.

It's quality control, and I don't know how much of a bubble wrapped participation trophy of a childhood someone needs to have before they don't understand that.

[–]niceguyputin[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn’t say it’s because the sub is ideological but simply because posts need to proportional to the sidebar. You can’t have random bluepilled gay shit posted there

[–]johncillo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is well put, however, it is on the line of ideology but not quite, ideology is often constructed along the lines of dogmatism and Redpill is not like that. You read, you experience and then you internalize. Where we need to make the distinction here is that is not a set of truths or laws, we are dealing with theories, a couple here and there confirmed by studies in the same category, however you need (and I and the redpill theory cannot stress this enough) to be critical with everything is put in front of your eyes so you can find out an objective truth and make decisions around it. That is why is called the RED PILL.

[–]MDMCrab0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It's a philosophy, not an ideology.

[–]niceguyputin[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No it’s neither. It’s just observation on human behaviour.

[–]HiImMeee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A science

[–]kasodegreat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People will hijack anything for their benefits.

[–]le_wolfe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Being a virgin, I only see it as a toolbox to get laid and a collective journal of terpers. YMMV.

Anything beyond the useful scope like civilizational decline, politics, latest outrage porn - doesn't really register on my priorities right now. Gotta get my own shit straight first.

As for labels, I don't care what you call it. Anybody who tries to convince me otherwise, is only asking me to put my head into his unique bucket.

And I have too much on my plate to see the inside of colorful buckets.

[–]Greek-God-Brody0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is not the absolute truth, but it's an honest truth.

[–]dunyakuboku0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Red Pill is a philosophy not an ideology. Some try to exert this philosophy on politics, religious, culture, education and so on. It's up to people how to accommodate it. But it isn't a political or religious ideology. It has many common features with stoicism, I see it as an upgraded version of stoicism in the XXI century. My political and religious views are significantly different than most of the Red Pilled guys, but as it comes to lifestyle, I follow Red Pill 100%.

[–]TheBadGoy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is individualist with fascist tendencies

[–]cman94elder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

They see it as a religion.

[–]Velebit-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ideology is a set of ideas. Though you will find vastly differing views. Many people here do not think awalt is real and many think finding the unicorn is the evolutionary mission. After all sex is about reproduction and reproduction is about selection of desireable genes.

Seeing promiscuity as a good thing is not an ideology but more a lack of one.

[–]niceguyputin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

AWALT isn’t true in the context it’s understood by many. AWALT imo is also used out of context

[–]colinnb-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Trp is not an ideology is the reality

[–]panic119-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's just reality

[–]huey764-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see it as a manual

[–]my_mix_still_sucks-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I do believe it is an ideology, whereas I think it offers you a subset of rules and realities to think and live by, like a collection of ideas. Of course some truths offered by your ideology are not going to actually be true just like in every ideology but in the end everybody chooses his ideology (do not think you could live without following an ideology) and I chose this one because I think there is much truth to it

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

It works for you or it doesnt. Whatever labels you use are irrelevant.



You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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