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The Travel-Widow, or why travel for the single woman is a red flag

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I've always known a type of woman I used to unofficially name "travel-women" who you could always spot and you always wanted to stay away from. Now I have a name for them - the travel widow.

You can spot them as they'd speak as though the present company and scenery was always inferior to the far off lands they'd travel to. I always remember that feeling in my gut, the fact that you were looking at a girl who had had a taste of ambrosia and none of the old american chop suey was going to do it for her ever again. You could just tell by the look in her eyes that her head was in another place.

She'd refer to the US as "the states." I knew that I'd be headed back to "the states" next week.

On facebook they share exotic photos of neat new places, every week it seemed, a new biome, a new background, a new something.

These were women I would avoid like the plague. It's not that I knew they were sluts, but it came with the territory, and - much like an alpha widow whose heart can no longer be captured because her mind remembers a high that may be larger than life, and may never be achievable again - the travel widow will not be captured. She will chase that high, whether or not she'll ever reach it again.

From our very own TempestTCup:

It’s the excitement [of traveling] that does a lot of the damage, and if she regularly escapes her reality and trades it for a new exotic environment with new exotic people, she sort of gets addicted to those highs, and her normal life seems even more boring in comparison.


This is coupled with the fact that traveling is so easy; it requires nothing from her except money and time. It’s not like she is working hard towards a goal that will actually enrich her as a person; she is merely jumping on a plane and then when there she looks around, takes pictures, and eats. It requires nothing from her mentally, much like how easy it is to get sex from that hot guy at the bar.

Women also seem to think that travel makes them interesting, when in reality it’s the places they go that are interesting; the woman herself is still the same woman who jumped on that plane. She thinks that she has accomplished something, when in reality, all she did was jump on that plane.


So as not to shamelessly steal the whole article, Read the whole thing here.


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Title The Travel-Widow, or why travel for the single woman is a red flag
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 195
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Date 10 October 2015 06:47 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (9 children) | Copy

In Robert Greene's book, The Art of Seduction, he mentions a type of person he refers to as "the exotic fetishist." These are people who are always traveling (or wanting to travel), who likely do not like where they are from (this can include cultural background as well, not just location), and who are always seeking new and exciting stimulation. Your travel-widows definitely fit in this category.

Greene mentions that these types of people make for poor victims of seduction due to the fact that they are constantly looking for that new, exciting stimulation. An exotic place to travel, a new (and often expensive) activity to try, maybe they constantly want to move around, buy new cars, houses, etc etc. They make for poor victims because eventually, you will run out of new things to entertain these types with.

Like you said, it's not that you knew they were sluts. It just comes with the territory. If these types of people need constant, new stimulation in every other aspect of their life, why would this not apply sexually as well?

This explains why you can see the occasional post here and there about how being well-traveled is a red flag. It's more or less a soft red flag, but just know that these types are only good for short term fun, regardless of if they're actually a slut or not. Eventually they will grow bored and move on to the next exciting thing.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (6 children) | Copy

My ex would probably have been a travel widow, if only she had had the discipline to hold a job and save some money to use for such travel. She's currently (as far as I know) in therapy for depression. She mentioned on numerous occasions how she wished we had just gone away someplace new, away from everything. She didn't take it well when I told her how her self-hatred and shitty thoughts would follow her wherever she'd go, that she could not escape them, that she had to face them head on.

Only since I found TRP have a realized how women are so centered around how they feel about everything. My say-it-as-I-see-it and rational thoughts cut into her pink and fluffy feefees like a cold scalpel. I tried to remove the dead tissue but ended up killing the poor hamster.

Travel widow or alpha widow are both chasers of those highs. It creates a needlessly high bar to which everything is compared. Woe is the person who cannot see beauty in all the things that constantly surround us. My ex abused both weed and alcohol and ended up cheating on me with the party dude in her social circle. She even told me she came to the realization she gets easily bored in relationships. She fits your description to a T.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Greene's books shed some serious light on humans and how they function. I'd highly recommend them. The Art of Seduction is especially revealing. If I had to recommend one book of his to read, it would be that one.

[–]Gettingaware4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

They're also on YouTube in full. I listened to 48 laws of power about 9 hours long, about two weeks ago. And then listened to the art of seduction the next day. I say that incase anyone interested is wondering if they might still be up.

There is also another one of his called the 50th law up aswell. However I'm not sure what that one is about.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've only previewed the 50th law (I've got too many other books in progress to read it right now), but from what I've read it's big on teaching the reader how to be fearless. Definitely a good lesson, though I'm not sure how much of an effect 50 co-writing the book has on its quality. I like 50, so I'll be picking it up sooner than later.

Good tip on YouTube, by the way. I forgot the audiobooks could be found there.

[–]Hamster_S_Thompson1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The 50th law is pretty good. I didn't expect much but it was surprisingly good.

[–]Physio_Tool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have listened to the audio of every book he has and I own them all. To that extent, every audio is an abridged version which omits atleast 1 story/example from each topic discussed. So everyone should read the actual books

[–]darkrood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I tried to remove the dead tissue but ended up killing the poor hamster.

Nope....that hamster has been dead and zombified. The true removal of dead tissues would be a hamster replacement. :D

[–]khxddr2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

they are constantly looking for that new, exciting stimulation

The emphasis placed on "new" really hits the nail on the head.

I used to know a woman who had traveled maybe half as much as I have, yet she seemed to look down on me because I'd actually go back to my favorite places. She thought it made me boring.

[–]darkrood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well....Don't you wanna go to new places, get a different feeling from different people?!!

yea, Different is the key. They are like groupie of the latest rock band. Don't mind the fact that none of them can remember a whole song's lyrics. It's just the fact that "Hey, I 've been plowed by ACDC!!!"

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana34 points35 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is coupled with the fact that traveling is so easy; it requires nothing from her except money and time. It’s not like she is working hard towards a goal that will actually enrich her as a person; she is merely jumping on a plane and then when there she looks around, takes pictures, and eats. It requires nothing from her mentally, much like how easy it is to get sex from that hot guy at the bar.

This is the key paragraph. The same person who enjoy frequent and meaningless travel is likely to enjoy frequent and meaningless sex.

Most women (and many men, to be fair) who travel are just consuming the world like it is exotic food or beer. They go from location to location just to check it off their "bucket list" of cool places and be able to say, "Been there, done that." They'll take a bunch of selfies for social media and then they will go party and drink with other travelers who have similar language/culture backgrounds. They end up learning very little about the local culture besides new types of food/alcohol/clothing and where to get the good drugs and party with other foreigners. This sort of travel is fine for a short vacation but these people spend months/years traveling the world in this fashion.

I met some travelers the other day taking among themselves on a shuttle bus. All they could talk about was what other places they could visit, and the way they phrased it was disturbing: they said they wanted to "do" a place (and I noticed that it was the women who used this phrasing the most). "Oh, I've done Bali, but I want to do Singapore next. On my next trip, I'll do Cambodia." It was pretty clear that they just wanted to "do" these places like you would "do" a cheap hooker.

The only good thing about travel widows is that they are great for hookups while traveling, especially if they happen to be consuming some weed or alcohol. They can also give you travel tips and tell you where to find the parties and drugs.

As mentioned in the article, there are exceptions. I've met women who had a deep love for the country they were visiting and spent much time learning about it; it was a unique pleasure getting to know them.

[–]2alisonstone12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was talking to my Asian American friends about this a while back. They were laughing at how American women pretend that being exposed to foreign culture, language, and food makes them such great people. Meanwhile, you have some average Asian American guy who speaks 3 languages (his native language, English, and a third language like Spanish that he had to take in school), actually grew up with two cultures, and knows how to prepare native dishes which he has been eating his whole life. Ask an Asian guy how much American women value this. Zero.

It's more funny when American women show off their travels to guys thinking that it makes them more attractive because they are more "adventurous" and "worldly". But how much value does it actually have? Zero.

[–]wehadtosaydickety10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

As someone who has traveled a lot and lives abroad, I think people like that are just newer to traveling and usually younger. For me now the whole world is the same, I get very little from simply being somewhere new. I do still love the excitement of walking around an airport waiting for a flight. The travel experience for me is like meditation, every minute on a bus or train or plane I don't exist for that moment in time. But when I get there... The world is the same.

I don't see frequent travel as much different than frequent partying in college or other shit people do when they're younger.

[–]WellHungMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm wondering where you've traveled. Do you really find third world/ developing countries in the middle east / asia/ eastern europe / south america to be all the same? I found staying with Bedouins in the gulf to be much different from living in a shack in the south east asian tropics, but maybe I'm naive.

Of course, a first world city is pretty much the same everywhere. A wealthy street in Singapore feels pretty much like a wealthy street in New York.

[–]TempestTcup8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

The same person who enjoy frequent and meaningless travel is likely to enjoy frequent and meaningless sex.

Beautiful! Even though I put them both in the same paragraph and compared the two in the post, I didn't really even make that leap, but I think you have something there. They also think that both of those things are "accomplishments".

[–]ChanThunderwang[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most women (and many men, to be fair) who travel are just consuming the world like it is exotic food or beer.

There is nothing wrong with this. This is exactly what traveling is: A fun activity.

The thing is that many people think they are actually smart for traveling.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the language they use to describe it is more important than the travel itself. Travel itself isn't really a negative, but it can have a deleterious effect on someone's expectations and concept of reality. You could argue that's great, but through the prism of female->male sexual relations, it's certainly not.

I think you made a great point that it can be men too.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock30 points31 points  (13 children) | Copy

Many women do not travel to learn about different cultures and become sophisticated, they go to get drunk with, party with, and fuck foreign chads i.e. Raymundo (latin chad) and Chadstein (Anglosaxon Euro Chad).

Just like women delusionally believe that their SMV increases as they ascend in socioeconomic status, they believe that pre-selection from a bunch of chads she took pictures with on her vacation and posted on Facebook and instagram increases their SMV in the eyes of men. In actuality, men's boners don't care because we can't have sex with her personality, can't put their penis in her college degree, and can't put their fist in her childhood dreams.

These women believe the exoticness from the corner of the globe they visit rubs off on her. The basic bitch that left to Bahamas on another man's dime is the same woman that stands before you. Still glued to her Instagram on her Iphone seeking excessive amounts of validation from her duck face, cleavage exposed selfies on social media, drinking her 4 dollar Starbucks she waited 20 mins in line for because it's hip, reading her fresh copy of 50 Shades of Grey because Oprah said it was cool, and listens to Dr. Oz for medical advice.

Nothing has changed but her entitlement, ego, and accumulated spunk in her orifices.

[–]omar_coming_yo_9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very true,

Basic bitches wanting to go to shitty tourist traps in other countries so she can say 'I've traveled'

They tend to be more concerned about taking 1000s of generic 'look at me having fun' photos, than actually having fun..

Fuck that noise....

travel alone, pack light and have no plans.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

I like much of what was said in this entire thread. One thing that I want to note is that traveling is an important component of being a well-rounded and sophisticated man.

But travel for the right reasons.

Get immersed in the culture. Check out the local historical or UNESCO sites. Hire a local guide.

Travel alone. Meet new and interesting people. Read intensely about the country(ies) --- but not tourist books.

If you are going to Argentina -- read about The Falklands War, the revolution, etc.

Don't be one of those dumb people who goes somewhere exotic in order to take selfies, get fucked up, and go bungee jumping. Most solo female travelers fall into this category from my somewhat vast experience.

[–]ChanThunderwang[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sorry, but I think what you described is just like the difference between watching trash TV and watching infotainment documentaries: Sure, one is better than the other. But both are still entertainment and you do not grow as a person.

The only way to actually grow in another country is to live there for a while like the locals. And don't live of your savings you made in the US. Rather learn the language, get a job, and rent something with the money you made in this country. This is actually accomplishing something.

Reading about the Falklands War while traveling through Argentina is not better than reading about the Falklands War while in the US.

[–]darkrood-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

Based on your logic:

  1. China- go work in one of the rural area as English teacher, fuck local Chinese students, and had trouble with medical bill due to shit hospital set up
  2. India- Live in slums. Eat with your right hand because left hand is used for wiping asses, and enjoy the Ganges River (NSFW)

My cousins and other family members tried that, but they find out the hard way that your brain might be open to new experience, but your body will hard reject foreign bacteria like crazy. They got 1 week worth of diarrhea by simply drinking tap water like the local did.

Traveling is a process of raising one's awareness. As long as the process never stop, then you don't have to fully emerge in another culture and language for every destination every time.

TL;DR: You think you so open-minded and cultured, until you get serious food poisoning and diarrheas.

[–]mugatucrazypills1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck India. I don't need to fly halfway across the world to see how dirty it is and call that shit profound.

In general however travel increases a mans' experience and SMV, whereas for a woman it often just adds mileage.

That's because men are growing and developing as people after age 14.

[–]FeeFeeFeaster-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

to see how dirty it is and call that shit profound.

I walked the fuck out on Slumdog Millionaire after the kid swan dove into the pile of shit and crawled out to meet whoever that guy was. There's only so much filth I'll voluntarily be exposed to.

My girlfriend was pissed because she wanted to watch it, but it was my birthday (get that) and I wasn't having it.

[–]ChanThunderwang[🍰] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Travel is fun. Period. It does not make you smarter. Even if you read a book about the Falkland War while traveling.

China- go work in one of the rural area as English teacher, fuck local Chinese students, and had trouble with medical bill due to shit hospital set up

The key is that you try to do the same you would do in your country. You are an IT expert? Try be an IT expert in China. You are a business man? Try being a business man in China.

English teacher in China is something in-between. On one hand, you actually live in this country and work there. On the other hand your only skill is to speak your own language. I would say English teachers are still partly tourists.

My cousins and other family members tried that, but they find out the hard way that your brain might be open to new experience, but your body will hard reject foreign bacteria like crazy. They got 1 week worth of diarrhea by simply drinking tap water like the local did.

  1. There is a good chance that the locals cook tap water before drinking it, and just don't mention this because it is obvious to them. Like you say "I ate Pizza yesterday." and not "I ate warm Pizza yesterday.".

  2. Yes, this is not fun. And? This is how living in India actually is. Drink water --> get diarrhea. Next time cook your water before drinking it. You actually learned something about local live style now. Of course it is no fun. And you do not have to do it. But this is the only way to get an authentic experience.

This is just bullshit:

Get immersed in the culture. Check out the local historical or UNESCO sites. Hire a local guide.

lol

"Get to know the culture by being a tourist who can not even walk around safely without a tour guide."

This is exactly how you are a tourist and have some fun, but experience nothing new.

[–]darkrood-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea, not hiring local guide would get you mugged and killed in many places.

Heck, there are tons of people go missing each year in Europe backpacking. Stop trying to hard-sell the idea as if you are the Indiana Jones that can venture into the jungle unscathed towards the end.

There are high risk by traveling alone without doing proper preparation, having a trusted local tour guide for first timer has its benefit.

This is exactly how you are a tourist and have some fun, but experience nothing new.

This attitude is no different than being a condescending travel-widow like the article described.

[–]ChanThunderwang[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, you.

How the hell do you actually think you are smart because you travel, but with a tour guide.

[–]sir_wankalot_here3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are learning about different cultures ☺ Mating habits of different cultures ☺

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks fucker, I'm having a BBQ today and now all I'm gonna be able to do is hum that song stuck in my head....show me ur genitals, ur genitals....

[–]let_terror_reign-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Immediate upvote for Lajoie reference.
Women thinking their socio economic status makes them more attractive seems to me like men who think being 7k MMR in Dota makes them attractive; sure there'll always be some losers who find that cool, but the top 20% won't even acknowledge your farts

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is coupled with the fact that traveling is so easy; it requires nothing from her except money and time. It’s not like she is working hard towards a goal that will actually enrich her as a person; she is merely jumping on a plane and then when there she looks around, takes pictures, and eats. It requires nothing from her mentally, much like how easy it is to get sex from that hot guy at the bar.

This is so true.

Women also seem to think that travel makes them interesting, when in reality it’s the places they go that are interesting; the woman herself is still the same woman who jumped on that plane. She thinks that she has accomplished something, when in reality, all she did was jump on that plane.

I knew a guy like this who genuinely believed he was a better man than me because... wait for it... he'd been to China. Let the way this makes no logical sense sink in for a moment and then think about the sort of person this will work for. We're talking about someone who is not only that stupid, but also someone who needs to delude themselves that their personal value is increased by having gone to another country. Not only are they so insecure that they need to feel superior, but they can't even find a way to feel superior that makes any real sense. They need to use a false accomplishment. This is the sort of person who would "visit a Buddhist temple" and try to pass it off as similar accomplishment to "studying at a Buddhist temple." Both expose you to new culture, but given the significant time and effort you'd have to invest, the latter is the achievement that will have an impact on you and your value as a person.

Valuing the former is up there with congratulating yourself for watching a documentary on the telly and calling it a life achievement. If you have the mind to appreciate it, there's culture on offer, but it's a small amount to be gained vicariously.

This is the essence of it. No real worthwhile accomplishment is vicarious. You put a bit of yourself into all major personal accomplishments. Looking at something does not constitute an accomplishment. Standing in a particular spot does not constitute an accomplishment. People go to these places to get the experience, which is something I don't knock... you've only got one life so experience what you can... but it's not actually adding any value. It does not make you interesting beyond saying "I stood where X marks the spot" - people will smile, muse at this and then return to other conversation. Rightly so.

When you look at it this way, what a travel widow is telling you is she has invested time and money in her own experiences and thinks you should respect her more for simply spending time and money. There is no value there. She's actively wasting her youth and good looks. If anything, she should be respected less than the basic bitch who has at least figured out she should be trying to lock down a man - even if her strategy is clearly failing. But no... she's busy looking at shiny! Declaring she's had an experience by seeing something she probably doesn't even comprehend to add some trivia to her repertoire of shallow conversational drivel. What an inefficient use of her life.

[–]darkrood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

he'd been to China.

"But...but I've been to China as an English Teacher, Made some good money tutoring on the side, and fucked loads of Chinese broads.....up the ass."

I mean, it's a really easy trap to fall into. local college girls cling on to foreigners like flies to honey at night clubs. Plus they have a hard time telling light-skinned iraqi from a white guys, so you can easily clean floors and make out without trying.

TL;DR: Asian nightclub is really good for foreigners, heck even Asian American can get some....just don't be "the local."

[–]Sdom117 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

There are well-traveled girls that are just fine. You're picking up on the right signals, but not the right reasons behind it.

The problem is that she's made international travel a core piece of her identity. She calls the US the States because that's what people overseas do, and she's all international and shit and has to make sure you know it, and thus know that she is better than you. To use a word she'd understand, she's being dreadfully nouveau (or borgeois) about the whole thing.

Really, any time somebody takes a hobby or lifestyle habit and makes it a huge part of their identity, and beats you over the head with it, that's a red flag. It's almost always status signalling at its core (i.e. they think they're better than you).

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

They are the exception, not the rule. It's like making the statement that you can play Russian Roulette with a gun that has 5/6 bullets and win. You can win... but your odds are not good, and you're most likely going to get burned.

The point that OP was making, and one critical piece I might add, is that she is traveling as a single woman. A woman that travels either by herself or with just her female friends, is often looking for strange in a far away place. If she isn't the primary person in her group pushing people to let go of their inhibitions, she is easily influenced. Hell, if she wasn't, she wouldn't have easily entertained the idea of traveling abroad with just her female companions.

That's why a lot of women, when you meet them in college, they express a strong desire to see the world and travel... but when they get older, they try to erase that history from their life so that no one knows what they were like before.

[–]2alisonstone-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, the key is young women traveling alone or just with her girlfriends. It is perfectly normal for a girl to travel with her parents when she is young if they are going on a family vacation, because her parents probably have money. But for a young college girl (or a recent college grad) to fly alone to Europe or something, that is a pretty huge commitment, considering she doesn't have any income yet. That certainly says something about her character.

Generally, it is a poor financial decision to travel to exotic locations (they are usually not traveling to cheap destinations) when you are that young because there are probably a lot more other things that you can spend that money on that is more tangible and more useful to your development. Even if there is nothing wrong with the girl mentally that causes her to want to fill up her passport, she's most likely a walking pile of debt.

If it is about learning culture, tasting different foods, and having different experiences, you can do all of that locally at a fraction of the cost. How many 22 year olds have experienced everything their own country has to offer? These experiences are actually a lot more important than the foreign ones because you're likely to have to meet and interact with people in your own country.

[–]ckmtpm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think this really depends on the woman in question. I have a lot of friends that can afford to travel whenever they want, because their parents have provided them with a pretty big safety net, financially. A couple thousand for a vacation isn't a big deal for them, nor is it putting them in debt.

[–]donttellthefamily5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

I married one of these. Except I met while she was travelling. She's from Italy, I'm Australian. In 6 months her probationary visa ends and she can stay here without me. I am curious to see what will change now that my value is no longer inflated.

[–]Limekill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

2 yrs in Aust. - then she is defacto and can steal half your shit.

Have fun.

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I would suggest getting your finances in order and brace for the inevitable divorce

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[–]darkrood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Swap out Russian with (Asian country), then it fits with many stories that I've heard.

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[–]Red_Pill_Raskol0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read Veblen's "The Pecununiary Standard of Living". A big part of the travel whore phenomenon can be explained by his concept of emulation--essentially taking on the most conspicuous behaviors of upper class people in order to portray that pedigree. As if by merely portraying the pedigree, you can actually obtain the pedigree.

[–]DaphneDK7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

I travel pretty much and I really loathe the bucket list expression. It’s like it’s a job which have to be done, or just something you do to brag about back home or something. Also people who go some place and stay there a single day or even less. If you’re not staying a couple of weeks or months, you haven’t really been there, just passed through.

When choosing a girl to travel with I also stay away from those who’ve travelled a lot before. They tend to put their experience up like it’s a great plus for them, but why would I want to be with someone who has done it all before? I want someone who whom it’s all new and exhilarating.

I will say this for American girls travelling in Europe though. They’re pretty fun and quite slutty to be honest. Loads of them here where I’m now in Spain. There also always tend to be many more of them than men for some reason. Or perhaps it’s just that I only notice the girls.

[–]Philhelm11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

Also people who go some place and stay there a single day or even less. If you’re not staying a couple of weeks or months, you haven’t really been there, just passed through.

I was in Iraq for a year, and got a really good sample of the local fucking culture. If I hear Islamic chanting on a loudspeaker ever again, I'm going to seriously, seriously break frame.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If I hear Islamic chanting on a loudspeaker ever again, I'm going to seriously, seriously break frame.

I've lived and worked in a Muslim country for almost 3 years....I feel your pain man!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Deployed to one myself for almost a year. Why the fuck anyone wouldn't just leave is beyond me. Place is a shithole

[–]darkrood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why the fuck anyone wouldn't just leave is beyond me

But freedom to the middle east?!!!

[–]ransay32774 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It has been my experience that women are using this as a shit test. Same as the what kind of car does he drive. What she is doing is attempting to ascertain if you have the resources or status she is looking for. At least that is how I see it.

[–]SexistFlyingPig2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Travel is expensive. Not just for the direct cost but also for the time cost of being away from work. So I always try to figure out HOW she affords to travel as much as she does. If it isn't clear that she can afford it herself, then I always assume that she gets guys to pay for it.

[–]ckmtpm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If it's a younger woman, it's also likely that her parents are footing (or are helping to foot) the bill. Most of my social circle has traveled a lot, but mostly on their parents' dime.

[–]muddynips4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

A woman traveling is really just an emotional hall pass to ride the CC. It absolves them of any shame in hindsight because it was just "traveling".

It's an adventure that comes with its own, easily accessible, compartmentalization. Sure there are pictures of art, steins of German beer with friends, mountains and castles, etc. But when she comes home and talks to her friends, the only thing they talk about is all their euro-Chads. Almost as if that was the whole point of it.

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Eh, I am going to go ahead and disagree with this one.

If a girl is a spring breaker who "took in the culture" shit faced on maragritas from a slurpee machine in Mexico/Jamaica/Puerto Rico or the grown up equivalent there of then as the above post states she is no bueno.

I do know/have met girls that aren't like that though. I know a girl (who I must admit I pedastalize/unicorn over to my shame) who owns a shop that buys up trinkets/crafts from peasants all over the world and resells them in a high end boutique environment and online.

She travels to the countries, meets the craftsmen/women, and usually buys them a well or a battery of solar panels or a dirt bike for the local doctor or whatever for their village as a good will down payment on future products. She makes pretty good money doing it too.

There are other girls like that too. Its not the act of traveling that makes girls as described above, its the inner feeling of "here isn't good enough" that manifests itself as wonder lust. If "here isn't good enough" now will probably never be good enough either.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its not the act of traveling that makes girls as described above, its the inner feeling of "here isn't good enough" that manifests itself as wonder lust.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that was the point.

[–]Limekill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't think she screws hot foreign guys??? Of course not - she is unicorn.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree with you. This is the stupidest thing I've read since subscribing to TRP and frankly seems like small-town intimidation in the face of something that might resemble cosmopolitanism.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then neither of you read the article, because it specifically exempts legitimate and work travel.

[–]Philhelm8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Honestly, I've never understood people's obsession with travel, or more specifically, the pride they take in their travels. I could understand the element of displaying wealth, but that isn't usually what is being flaunted. Often times, these people believe that having traveled outside of the U.S. for a couple of weeks gives them some sort of intellectual capital. You know, the sort of person who unintentionally uses a haughty accent when describing their travels.

Typical U.S. citizen woman CC rider (Age: 25 -35; IQ: 90 - 110; Education: MBA): "Oh, I stayed at a flat in Ennngland over the summer, and their fish and chips were just to die for. Then I met Nigel at a local pub, and he took me to the Winston Churchill museum. Did you know that he was the King of England during WWI and was instrumental in defeating the Nazis?"

Bitch, I was born in England and have a degree in history (and I've got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, speak a dozen languages, know every local custom, and with any luck, I've got the Grail already...). Who cares?

Most of the time, travel entails spending a lot of money to just do the exact same fucking things you can do locally. I've been to Disneyland, Sea World, the San Diego Zoo, have swam in the Pacific and the Atlantic, and have been outside of the U.S. Who gives a shit? I just get sick of the (usally leftist) asswipes who act as though traveling from point A to point B makes them out to be a special fucking snowflake.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I know you're talking about something different, but just as an alternate perspective, I do take pride in traveling when I'm the primary means of getting there. I'm a commercial pilot, so when I go somewhere else, it's usually because I actually flew the plane there. It's like you look at that plane and are like "wow, I just flew this mothafuckin' plane halfway across the goddamn world", it gives you a certain sense of pride in yourself that nothing else will. The result of all your training, sacrifice, willpower, and experience culminates at that very moment. I imagine sailors and long haul truckers get the same feeling, too.

Travel can be an accomplishment when you have to actually work for it. But, yeah, someone hopping onboard a 747 to go party in some foreign club in hopes of getting some intercontinental ass for a couple days doesn't make you anything special.

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Hitchhiking yachts? Is that a thing? That sounds awesome.

I am assuming you come from money, ne?

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[–]darkrood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That sounds like an awesome adventure.

Too bad I don't like boat and seas, I wonder if you can do it with private jets? :D

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But, yeah, someone hopping onboard a 747 to go party in some foreign club in hopes of getting some intercontinental ass [...] doesn't make you anything special.

This should be printed on every sign up form for study abroad programs. Getting your pussy stuffed by some guy you couldn't even understand does not make you more interesting, and it is not an accomplishment.

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Seems to me that the Travel Widow would be a good hookup prospect for a guy who has something exotic/foreign about him. She's bored because she's currently in between visits to WhatTheFuckIstan? Give her a story about growing up a poor brown child in Ecuador or whatever. I've noticed lots of chicks on online dating sites that seemingly base their identity on the places they've bought plane tickets to. One of you FOB red pillers needs to do some research on this.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The number of girls I've seen move to New York due to Carrie Bradshaw syndrome... They all end up hating it but are too stubborn/prideful to move. Eventually they realize that most guys in New York aren't any more interesting than guys elsewhere, and the ones that are more interesting only date more attractive women. However, they're stuck living in a box. They could get their fill of guys in any other city without having to shit with their feet in the shower.

[–]user_none0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Referencing online dating; one word: wanderlust.

I steer so far away from these women, and there's tons of them in the SF bay area in the online dating arena. Women, and their travel bragging is beyond predictable.

[–]justadavid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I steer so far away from these women, and there's tons of them in the SF bay area in the online dating arena.

After some experience there I have come to believe that open-air, high megaton nuclear yield testing should be done there. Just my 2 cents worth.

[–]1whatsazipper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always find it bizarre that people will take trips to other countries but then can't tell me anything about the languages in those countries. That's one of the more fascinating parts of travel.

From the college educated/professional circles I'm a part of, the women seem to use travel as a minimum marker of sufficient status. They infer status through travel, job, degree, and observed social rank.

[–]RealRational1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't have a name for it, but the girl I have always gotten along with the best. Meaning with the least effort, lowest cost and most benefit was a girl I had to make myself say no to because she was, and still is, a travel widow.

Now if it had stopped after her first trip or two, that'd be fine. But she made it a lifestyle to spend her best years floating from place to place. How does she support herself in each place? Men, obviously. Now, it could be worse, she could whore around in each place, at the very least she picks one per place. Poor bastards don't know that as soon as she's done there she's gone, they invest so much in her just to have her use it up and move on.

It's just such a shame to see potential like that wasted, which as OP aptly pointed out, in return for nothing. She's trading real value for momentary value, like spending your life savings on a single high, or bottle of Bourbon.

Ah well, I guess 10 years of happiness could be worth the rest of your life being utterly uneventful.... as long as you don't know any better.

[–]Stationarity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

100 years ago, someone anticipated this.

https://youtu.be/UgqVCJpRqWQ

[–]thor_meaway0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Serious: so what can be said about men who love to travel?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not really the focus of our forum.

[–]PixyStixSnorter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This seems to be approximately 3/4 of the women on Japanese Tinder. It's like this:

"Mako, 34

Photo 1: Yoga on the beach

Photo 2: Drinking wine with so many female friends that you don't know which one she is

Photo 3: Either (a) Taj Mahal, (b) Machu Picchu, or (c) leaning on a drugged tiger in Thailand

Photo 4: With Anglosphere friends

Photo 5: A cat

Caption: Not here for hookups"

Can you believe that there are so many special snowflakes?!?!?

[–]Crotch_Snorkel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm glad we have a name for this. There are a few women I know who fit this description and the most telling part is none of her travel pictures involve other men. So I like to play the game "who took this picture?" Sure there are times when a kind stranger will take a picture of you standing next to some touristy thing... but if all the photos of her are in a swim suit on a beach somewhere, you better believe someone is not only paying for this sluts adventure abroad, but also dumb enough to stroke her narcissism by taking her next profile photo.

[–]Hotblack_Desiato_ 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

100% of this applies to men, as well. There are plenty of men out there who think that their trip to Puerto Rico for Habitat for Humanity makes them a worldly, leather-faced expat...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I graded a soccer field for kids in Jamaica and fucked one of the peace corp girls there.

Come at me bro.

[–]bonerdude420-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

lol. what is this shit?

People travel for fun. Is this saying any girl who had fun while single has set her expectations too high for being with a dude? How fucking boring or useless is a guy who can't be captivating to a woman because she's been out of her backyard?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

You should work on your reading comprehension before advertising it to the world.

[–]darkrood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's just his way of saying "My E-peepee is bigger than yours" in the wrap of strawman.

[–]ScarletBliss 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I used to work as a diving instructor on Mallorca during the summer a few years ago. In every class, there was at least one woman (and once, even a man) who made advances on me. I was very BP back then and a bit insecure as I never experienced something like that during my regular days, so I didn't capitalize on the situation as much as I could have.

Reading the article made me think back to that time, and I believe I realize now that what they cared about was an ego boost, to claim they slept with the diving instructor during their vacation.

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You were essentially a more skilled cabana boy to those girls. As a diving instructor you're at least in great shape I'm sure, and you're in a position of leadership within that context. Sure, on the street you were just another guy working a temporary job and making probably mediocre money, but on the dive boat you were the guy in charge. I bet if you had an old supervisor who bossed you around in front of those girls for the whole class you would have gotten about half of the advances you did, if that.

Women love to romanticize things and make them larger than life. They love the idea of going off to a foreign land and sleeping with a handsome native man there. You bet your ass they told all their girl friends about the hot diving instructor they slept with, and I bet in their telling of it you were a few inches taller, more attractive, and more charming. I wouldn't be surprised if you alpha widowed a few chicks just because they built up the fantasy in their heads so much. I've definitely done that with a few chicks who aren't from the typical educated backgrounds. A medical student to them is hot shit, and women love to hate the things that seem commonplace to them.

[–]macduff4-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I disagree with this post. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to travel, and travel is an essential part of being a well rounded man. By travel, I mean exploring a culture, language, and experience different from your own, and gaining new perspectives because of it.

However, following the route well traveled and getting screwed up and doing the touristy things is stupid, that I agree with.

I disagree with Roosh V on many things, but I feel he said it best on this subject: Men can find themselves through travel, but all women find is random cock.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I disagree with this post. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to travel, and travel is an essential part of being a well rounded man.

This wasn't about male travelers.

[–]ben0wn4g3-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

God damn this girl on fb went to Thailand a while back.. She never fucking stops posting shit about it.. Like OK we get it you went to Thailand its not the friggin moon and if it was I still wouldn't give a fuck. Jeeez

[–]GuruDev1000-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I couldn't understand what the OP (who didn't mention his nationality) wanted to say when mentioned the call US as the states line. Was he talking from the American perspective or another?

Am I supposed to assume that every post written here is by an American unless stated otherwise?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I'm talking from the American Perspective.



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