Summary: Women and white knights converge upon OP like a pack of vultures after he talks about going on an uncomfortable date with a girl who is 4-months-pregnant. Top replies call him an asshole and an immature baby for not wanting to raise another guy's kid.
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If I had to make a list of the subreddits most populated by male eunuchs, the OKCupid one would be up there. Right behind TwoX and AskWomen. All the men posting there are basically whoring themselves out emotionally in front of the female users, hoping to be good male feminists and that one day it may gain them access to a vagina.
Today was no different. An OP had earlier posted about chatting with a girl who was a few months pregnant. He was shamed and prodded into going on the date anyway, so he did and returned with an update. It's too long to post here so read it on your own, but basically the girl made it incredibly obvious she was looking for a beta provider. Constantly bringing up her child, asking how good he is with kids, etc. OP decided to end the date and later sent her a nice rejection message.
Cue the feminist outrage. The OKCupid readers could not believe their ears - how dare this shitlord not help a woman in need?
Like 80% of the things in this post make me think you should leave this poor woman alone for her and her child's sake. You are far, far too emotionally immature to date a single mom.
Remember folks, it's always the man (in this case, OP) who is the emotionally immature one. Not once does anyone say that about the girl, despite the fact she willingly was a cumbox for her abusive ex-fiance and still carries his alpha genes inside of her to this day.
What was the actual deal breaker for you: potentially having to raise a child, or all the things that come along with dating a pregnant woman? I agree it would be sort of weird to date her while pregnant, but maybe down the line once she has the child and things get a little less crazy it might have been worth it to keep that door open. If you met her when, say, she had a 1 year old child, would this have been a different scenario for you?
Just white knights being white knights. Trying to find a loophole, any loophole, to encourage OP to become this woman's open wallet. "Well what if she does the pregnancy on her own? Can you please come back to her after that and help the child? Please?"
I think you're getting ahead of yourself in a mind-numbing way by imagining yourself as a stepfather after a single lunch. She's fully aware that she's in an awkward spot, but you're making it much weirder. If there's a connection, set a date #2 and go for it. If you can't bear another couple of hours with a pregnant lady, move on. I think that she's trying to date, just like you are, not expecting you to slide in as dad replacement after Panera.
Of course she's looking for a stepfather figure, you dumbass. She's going to have a baby in a a few months. You don't think she's hoping to rope in a beta provider by then so he can pay for the diapers and formula milk? Honestly I'm surprised at this level of denial. I figured even the bluest of bluepillers would understand that she's trying to assemble a new family.
Maybe you were in a bad mood but your post makes you seem like a massive dick and a giant douche. I think it is just your mood because you're scared shitless of a potential future. You want love, you eventually want a family. And she's into you. But she's pregnant and you'd have to be an instant dad in 4 months. Is that why you are coming off so insensitive in your post?
Classic male shaming tactic. Call the OP immature and "scared of a potential future". I swear there isn't a day going by when some feminist doesn't whine about how men refuse to be men anymore, that guys are still stuck in their college phase, that they only care about video games and working out, etc.
You know the saddest thing about this thread? Most of the upvoted commenters are fellow men.
TL;DR: OP is hesitant about dating a single mom, commenters try to shame and browbeat him into doing it. Take this as a warning: society will try very hard to turn you into a financial and emotional sponge for women. Do not fall for it.
I am in fact "emotionally mature enough" to date a single mom, fortunately I am also smart enough not to date one.
Big difference
I think it would show more emotional maturity to not date a single mom.
Emotions should not run your life. In fact I'm pretty confident in saying maturity is control over your emotions.
So to me emotional maturity is an oxy moron. Emotions are what run children and women.
I don't know. There may be some milk left on those titties.
Exactly. You shouldn't be burdened by some sense of enforced guilt into foolish decisions.
There's two sides to this, though. I'm a single father myself. I have two kids, and the youngest (7) is with me about half the time. The oldest is out on her own now. Anyway, I vastly prefer dating single moms, because we have similar priorities and desires. It's better to date someone who really understands if I have to cancel plans because my kid is puking or something. My current chick has two kids, and I think they're awesome. We both provide equally for the kids, we live together now and basically just share the costs, chores etc related to children. When we were dating but not living together, it was just really great to have someone who understood that "my kids come first" isn't just a cute thing I say. It's real.
Yea this is pretty much the only scenario I see myself getting involved with a single mom in. Hey wanna share baggage?
Gentlemen, I present to you a grown man that handles his business
All well and good, but I'm guessing you'd still be weirded out when a girl shows up to a date 5 mos pregnant.
Definitely. Because that'd make it pretty clear she was looking for someone to rescue her, not just someone in a similar situation with similar goals and a similar lifestyle.
However, it sounds like the guy knew damn well she was pregnant before they even went out. So yeah, if he wasn't okay with that, why'd he even go out with her? That seems utterly brick-stupid to me.
Yeah, I thought the same thing - why waste his time, or hers for that matter? Once I heard the P word I would have said, "Sorry, just not something I'm prepared to get involved with at this point in my life" and let that be the end of it.
But he's "conflicted." In other words, if he were a Native American, he'd be from the Saveahoe tribe.
It feels good, on an instinctive level, to save a damsel in distress.
For about five minutes.
Until you realize her gratitude will never amount to more than words.
And until the next time, when she expects to be rescued rather than being genuinely surprised and grateful.
I agree with what you are saying but you are probably at a different age and point in your life than the OP of the original story.
Thank you for bringing sanity to that comment. When i saw that i couldn't believe some dumbass typed it out
I'm not financially mature enough either. Even if I had $100M I wouldn't be.
Yeah I mean I don't have anything against single mom's but I'm 27, that's a huge responsibility for someone that can barely wake up on time to walk into you know?
These people are so fucking indoctrinated. It's not his fucking job to help. What happened to womyn being strong and not needing men? They're basically begging him to be her provider. Fuck them to the deepest depths of hell.
Women are strong and independent until things like hard work and the ability to demonstrate any level of accountability for their own actions come in to play.
And the government benefits no longer cut it. Independent wymyn raising a family on her own is fucking myth. Men pay one way or the other
Look at it like this; if you're dumb enough to expend your money - which is an exchangeable proxy for your very life for some bastard sprog - then you deserve fully to reap as you have (or have not) sown.
Time, and evolution has a way of winnowing the weak, both physically weak and mentally weak, from the breeding population.
Bullshit. Look at society. The successes of the strong have produced a breeding ground for the bottom-feeders.
I agree, and Idiocracy comes to mind.
Modern society has totally fucked up 'survival of the fittest'. People with the best genes are the least likely to procreate, meanwhile the dregs are shitting out hordes. Women with good genetics are waiting until well past there best fertile years and having more and more down syndrome babies and birth defects.
When I was young I used to think babies and small children were cute. I wanted my own happy family. Now when I see kids, I see all kids of problems. They've completely lost their charm too me. And there's no way I want to bring children into this world the way it is and where it's probably going. I see that as selfish, heartless and stupid.
Today isn't the norm, it's an anomaly.
When the fiat currency dies, so do several hundred millions, at least.
Reminds me of my situation post divorce. My ex (who was barely clearing 16k/year on her own) was taking all the government assistance she could scrape up. Then she came to me before child child support was determined and told me I "owed" her the money.
Sure, you can walk out, take my daughter away, have her spend time with your new crutch (boyfriend) because my daughter likes him and he is "good for her", and now I owe you money for it? It was all I could do not to show up at her door, throw a wad of $1 bills at her and watch her pick it up like a cheap stripper. I have nothing wrong with taking care of my child. I'd kill for that kid, but I in no way owe that woman a damn thing.
When we had the court date for child support she started to cry because my lawyer said she was under-employed. I wanted to laugh.
My mom raised me on my own until i was like 5. We didnt have much and my grandparents helped alot but we got by.
The lack of perspective in this subreddit sometimes is puzzling. It's basically feminism with the genders reversed. Currently, 90% of the people that voted for this post voted positively. Seriously, read the damned story. The woman was making the best of a shitty situation. The only thing you could maybe say she's doing wrong is looking for a provider but at least she's not hiding it.
Her boyfriend cheats on her then leaves her for another woman. She's knocked up. It could be her biological clock, religious beliefs, yada yada. The bottom line is she decides she wants the baby and she doesn't ask for child support or anything. She goes to OKC, she's completely up front, and the OP agreed to go out on a date with her.
Oh shit she' 5 minutes late that bitch is wasting the OP's time. Well believe it or not, he's wasting her time too. He made his mind up before the date even began that nothing would happen and He didn't let her know that. She probably brings her friend to their date to make sure he's not a serial killer.
Those women on that thread are mad because they can see where that woman is coming from. The OP didn't handle shit correctly. He wasn't upfront and he was ruled by his emotions. In the end, they still praise him and let him save face for breaking up with her properly.
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This. This right fucking here. It's funny how shitlord bigots like us can bother to understand the female need for a provider to help raise her children, but so many in the feminist camps can't be arsed to understand the male need to raise children that are genetically his.
Of course they do. Why do you think they're advocates of child-support? Extra insurance in case they fuck up.
Beautiful analysis of the post, man.
I am constantly amused by the lengths people will go to in order to excuse any bad behaviour so long as it is attached to a vagina.
You call it a "shitty situation", as if it were a cancer diagnosis, or some other chance misfortune which fell randomly upon her from a great height.
You say she was "making the best of it", as if she were attending to it herself, rather than seeking strangers to do it for her.
In truth, since the "woman's right to choose" is enshrined by our society as all but holy, and perhaps even that, since the exercise of that right is readily and freely available, and since women's contraceptives are so easily and readily available that it is deemed a "war" upon the female sex itself if an employer declines to pay for them, pregnancy is no longer a misfortune, much less a random one.
It is a choice. She has chosen to be pregnant, has chosen to remain so, and has chosen to seek someone other than the father to shoulder a great portion of the responsibility and trouble of it.
She is free to make these choices, but with freedom to make choices comes responsibility for the consequences thereof.
4 months pregnant - it's not like she's going on a date to have a few cocktails and maybe get busy if she likes the guy.
She's facing a harsh reality, being a single mom - being a single parent in general. You think it's any easier for single dads? And while nobody doubts the difficulty of such a situation, there seems to be a disconnect about how women get themselves into these situations and also what they do once they find themselves in them. Of course, best case scenario would be 50-50 split of parenting time and full involvement of the father in the child's life, having her work and support herself like an autonomous adult - and always act in the child's best interest - but that's not the plan.
Will the baby daddy sign over parenting rights? Who knows? We already know she's planning on alienating the child from it's father who might be thinking the pregnancy is a ploy or that he's not the father, or she could be flat out lying about WTF is going on - you don't know how this is going to shake out. If it was her fault the relationship imploded do you think she would disclose that in a first date? Sounds like a sad story designed to engender sympathy. For whatever reason she got dumped while pregnant and she's mad. Revenge against real dad is him never knowing his own child.
I bet you the perfect scenario in her head is to get some nice beta to come in and play captain save-a-ho, wife her up and adopt her kid.
Oh if it was only 1972, but its not when it was not too far fetched for such things to happen. Back in 1972, maybe the woman would have stayed with beta savior - but not today - divorce is too easy and too slanted in women's favor. Any man who takes on an instant family is foolishly rolling loaded dice.
Going on OKCupid 4 months pregnant is fucking tacky. It's fishing for a sucker. The type of guy who would respond is likely the kind of guy she ordinarily wouldn't give the time of day if not for her dire situation. This is why we stay clear of single moms. As soon as she gets through this crisis and gets some stability injected into her situation it will be time for a branch swing.
Well said, the woman didn't do anything wrong. It's the stupid people that shamed him on the subreddit that are wrong.
Yes she did. Make sure you have a good fucking father in your kids life.
Sometimes there are circumstances beyond people's control. I can tell you haven't been through much in life because trust me, sometimes fate is fate and there's nothing that can be done.
The crux of the beta hunt problem, herein.
Here is the RP slant... the real thoughts going through our head: She is desperate for a real beta bucks... not a government-forced alpha bucks. She could very easily get daddy government to force her alpha-widower to pay, but she doesn't want to inconvenience her alpha because if she makes him pay, he may not come around to get her alpha fucks that the little hamster brain in the back of her head thinks about daily.
Red Flags: 1. Pregnant 2. Refuses to force child support from the bio-dad 3. Dating on OKC while pregnant (either she is deluded in thinking she can find AF OR she is just looking for BB)
if she is looking for a child-friendly provider, she should be looking at single/divorced dads, not single guys in their 20s. the moment she decided to keep the kid is the moment she turned her back on normal 20-something dating.
Absolutely no one is praising him. I gave you an upvote because, to be honest, that guy didn't really handle himself well at all. However, I don't see any wrong-doing by either one of them because that entire situation is just straight-fucked. I can't imagine what kind of person it takes to start dating a clearly pregnant woman with someone else's kid. Made me feel uncomfortable just reading it.
Op was a little desperate beta too
First time on okc
Accepts date despite knowing about the payload
Excuses himself and gives lolammo to femifags
C mon
The fact that your post makes valid points and still gets down-voted to hell speaks volumes. I love what this sub stands for, but it really is overrun by sexually immature betas with something to prove. If it doesn't fit the narrative they've been indoctrinated with, they lash out the only way they can. Little different from feminists in that regard.
Usually I'm the sort of guy who makes a comment like this to a post that states it objectively you know what? It gets upvoted. However this post was just a crap post that completely missed the context. Sadly enough you missed it too. The context is actually he comments on OKC not how the dude handled the date. It's about how beta society is that they are ready to shame a man for the simple reason that he refuses to raise some other f uck wits child and would much rather his own children if he goes down that path. If you can't see the insanity in those comments maybe read them again and focus less on the date itself
Pretty sure he was commenting on the attitude the pregnant woman was receiving.
That's a broad generalization of women, but I agree that some are like this. And so are some men.
Notice it isn't the job of the guy who knocked her to help. Maybe Chad Thundercock is already back in prison after he knocked up another 25 women. Anwyay he can get that STD cleared up at tax payer expense and then impregnat a female prison guard ☺
What really boggles me is some girls want to get pregnant at 17-18 so they can raise a baby and go to school and then not have kids again after college. Those women have no worth other than a lay or short term because they dont want children. I want children not right now but eventually so I have nothing to gain even getting attached.
I don't think this has to do with "blaming men for everything".
He fucked up by getting animated describing his emotions. It seemed like he wasn't in control of himself. That's probably what's turning off the women. He's a guy that doesn't go after what he wants. He's not direct. By his own admission he went out with her because he hadn't been on a date since his last relationship. It comes off a bit desperate. He was wasting his and her time.
All that aside, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if further down the comments some predestined betabux chump out there screaming "look here buddy, you need to step up like men do and take care of her." I didn't care to look past that first chain of comments though.
Ding ding ding we have a winner.
I tried to be neutral about the thread and didn't go into the comment section, but just read the post of the OP. And I have to admit, he does come over as immature.
To me it looks as if he had already made his decision to reject her beforehand (and until that point I am totally on board with him), but then actively looked for reasons to be pissed off about her besides her being knocked up and looking for a sucker who picks up her mess, and then ran to reddit for validation. Which makes him an idiot.
This is the best analysis of this situation. The man looked insecure, women were turned off by it, and ultimately he was beaten down. He was wavering and exhibited some very beta traits, which ultimately got him in trouble. He even calls himself a "little boy" in the comments, meaning he was aware of how immature he sounded.
No one would get mad at a guy for not wanting to date a 5 months pregnant woman as long as he presents it clearly. Single mom? That's where society has gotten fucked up and expects guys to "nut up" and raise other men's children, but we're not so far gone (yet) that we expect a man to date a pregnant woman.
I just the whole "nut up and raise another man's child" thing
Some idiot on Facebook posted a pic/motivational/manipulation piece that said something like "it takes a real man to step up and finish a plate that another man walked away from"
Do they understand...I only get to marry ONE person, why the fuck would I choose one with other kids? That's for when I have 3 kids and am divorced...they really don't give a fuck about men. at all.
This. Women despise weak men. He teed himself up real good by coming off the way he did.
Here's the demonic, inescapable paradox for women; any man gamma enough to put up with the x, y, and z they drag around with them, they instictively find repugnant and recoil from.
"If he'd date me, then by definition he's undateable by me."
Theres modern dating in the US distilled down to one sentence.
By "these people", I assume you mean the white knights, because the women are just group hen pecking. AWALT.
Anyway, you say that like it's a bad thing. We need the white knights to be indoctrinated. Without beta males to provide emotional and financial support for Chad's genetic stock, you'd have a lot more children being raised by struggling single moms. That's bad for the economy because then taxpayers get hit with the bill and the children don't fare as well in the long run.
I'd rather have a beta voluntarily be a provider for a single mother instead of me being forced at gunpoint by the government to be her provider. The more betas, the less money I am required to contribute.
the OP is more retarded than the white knight commenters
from the comments (written by him)
29 year old guy, "no problem" dating a woman with kids? it's like western guys now are happy to accept the bottom of the barrel scraps.
i mean why have a "problem" when she's already shown she can't keep a guy and/or makes shitty decisions about having a kid, why not enjoy dealing with some random dude for the next 18+ years, etc.
and from his first post, he already knew she was pregnant but his justification was that she wrote "hes out of the picture forever so there won't be drama" he believed that.
retards today... lol
Honestly, I think men are our own worst enemy. So many of us have such low standards and have conceded so much to social pressure that the rest of us have to deal with the results.
And he's supposed to take her word for that. There are literally zero legal protections for a man doing this, so she can make you raise the kids, and still take your money later. It doesn't matter what she does, she never loses her entitlements.
Given all that information, its pretty much someone you just met asking you to risk your life and dime for her.
These women fail to recognize that they use dating as weapons against men, and then bitch about him when he inevitably feels off-put by their actions. He can't quite pinpoint the way he's being manipulated, all he knows is a bunch of women are getting louder by the minute.
If people escalate to yelling at you when you disagree, you know they have ulterior motives. Despite this, nobody in the thread points it out.
This really fits about 80% of people out there, whether they have kids or not. Bad decision makers, can't keep a SO.
The stronger arguments is simply not wanting to be bothered with someone else's kid for rest of your life. That's really the only argument anyone needs. All this other shit that TRP says about single mothers means nothing, as the same exact shit can be applied to everyone.
Its clear the government puts the gun on a man's head at the end. This time the beta provider's instead of yours.
So in the end you yourself are the biggest idiot of the bunch.
What you dont realize is the beta's are only going to accept such an existence for another twenty years, after that, its up to you anyway. It should be the woman who pays for her indecency, yet we all know nobody will ever ask her to.
So leaving the problem to fester won't get rid of it. Women should either have the right to get an abortion, or suck it up and take care of the baby on her own. Its bullshit that she gets every choice in the matter, and the man is just pulled along for the ride.
The laws have been formed around making it her choice but at the same time not her burden. She gets to make a decision for the man's life, and a child's life, just because she "feels like" she should have the right to do so.
The only burden she carries is for those 9 months of pregnancy. For 9 months, you pay 18 years.
Don't get a woman pregnant. Slip her some Plan B if you haven't seen her take it already.
I think it's unclear what would happen.
Obviously if stepdads weren't stepping up regularly, it would put more pressure on the government to fund the kid and mom. It's not acceptable for kids to be underfed, poorly clothed or lacking education and health care. But usually government benefits leave you with a much worse standard of living than a typical middle class income earner.
I think it's quite possible that if replacement dads are scarce that women will be much more selective about who they get pregnant with, whether or not to keep the baby, whether or not to stick around with the biological dad. If that sort of behavior changes a lot, then the need for government benefits would actually diminish.
You fucking idiot - I'm sorry.
Law is created around women's needs. Thats all it's ever taken into account. Whether or not the government can keep up means jack shit. If they won't decrease military spending, you think they'll cut "funding for the children?"
No, the banks will just sell more bonds - print more money - offset the bill in the form of inflation to the taxpayers. You guessed it, right back to the middle class working man.
When women fuck up, men foot the bill. When society fails because of a depressed economy, men pay. Women are never run up on their debts.
I didn't say anything about government not being able to keep up.
People change their behavior based on consequences. If they are rewarded for their behavior they keep doing it. If they are punished, they stop doing it - or at least do it less.
Collecting welfare isn't a horrible life but it's not a great life. Being a stay-at-home mom while your husband earns $100k+ per year is pretty good.
If women currently expect a pretty good result (to be wifed up by a beta) when they are single moms and then they start to expect not so great results (to collect welfare), then women will be less likely to become single moms.
Fare. "The children don't fare as well in the long run".
To an extent, I agree, but I will disagree with you on a few important points. First, in my opinion (corroborated by many of the single moms with whom I'm acquainted), if there was better access to abortion services there would be fewer struggling single moms. Many of these women I've met were trying to anchor down a Chad with a kid. 90% of them would've aborted if they'd had more education on the subject and access to services. The others were religious or couldn't abort for medical reasons.
I will also firmly disagree with your point about the economy. Our economy was strong between the Great Depression and the late 50's because of war, and men being men, raising their own kids whether they wanted them or not, taking responsibility for their actions, and absolutely refusing to raise the children of other men. Since the feminists took hold of the country, we have blue pill males (they're not men) being content raising other mens' kids to be more worthless, lazy, blue pill fucktards who don't contribute to actual society. Unfortunately, this idea that Chad doesn't have to be responsible for his actions is another example of feminism seeping into society. I'll explain.
A red pill man knows that the sexiest thing about him is his masculinity, and part of that is being responsible for himself, and also for steering the relationship in the direction in which he wants it. A red pill man also knows AWALT. So if, for example, you fuck a woman without a condom and she gets pregnant, that's your fucking fault, and you should raise that child. Oh, she said she was on the pill but lied? No shit, dumbass! AWALT! That's your fault. You take responsibility for it, raise the kid to be a productive RP man. Or a decent woman.
All I'm saying is that the children being raised by worthless, feminized BP males are turning into more lazy, piece-of-shit, worthless BP males, and our economy is lethargic because of it. That last statement you made, about needing more betas to raise the children of others, is the very reason you're forced to contribute more money to the system: those kids are being raised by the women, not the betas! Those women control the betas. And women are turning them into tax-dollar sponges by teaching them that society owes them everything and they should work as little as possible for their share.
What we need is men raising men. I'd love to see more posts about personal accountability in this sub.
"Better access" is a loaded statement - what you really mean is that abortion is too expensive. The high cost of healthcare is the result of decades of government intervention in every sector of the healthcare system. If abortion was cheaper, then I wouldn't be forced to provide for women I'm not banging to get procedures done that I am morally opposed to (under most circumstances). So in general I agree with you on this point, but this is really a separate issue altogether.
As for the rest of your post, those men in the 1940s-50s were being forced to financially provide for the children of other men through the welfare state. Also, betas and women raising Chad Thundercock's children to being blue pill is nothing new. It's been happening for billions of years, so I disagree that there was some magical 15 year period where that wasn't happening because "men were men". Discouraging betas from raising Chad's children is not going to stop Chad's children from being blue pillers.
The reason I have to pay for it is because blue pillers can use the tools of democracy and government violence to pick my pocket. Women and beta males will always make up the democratic majority. So it's a given that, as long as government and democracy exist, the welfare state will exist and I will be forced to provide for single mothers. In that case, the question becomes: What's the best way to reduce my payments? Encourage betas to step up to the plate.
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Is English your native language? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
that's only dealing with the symptom. the root cause is that people are selfish and irresponsible and shouldnt have got pregnant in the first place. Sure, people sometimes get preggo even when being safe, but it's usually people forgetting their pill or going without a condom
I absolutely agree with you (and I said as much in the second half of that post, when I ranted about personal responsibility). Read more.
The thing is, no one would say this shit to his face in real life.
God that username just cracks me up
They are?
Top comment;
Another high comment.
The woman in question was upfront about her pregnancy and how far into her term she is, don't go on a date if it's a problem.
They were surprisingly white knighty and sanctimonious about it though I admit, they were all firmly on her side.
Seems like OP was mostly using her for dating practice anyway if you go back and check his first post.
I don't think OP is so bad a person, they can call him immature for 'going into a panic attack' over whether the pregnant lady will attach a ball and chain to his ankle, but they seem to flick from 'Relax it's just a lunch meeting' to 'Don't lead her on, that's a really shitty thing to do' pretty easily.
When you are nervous and scared like OP was, maybe it's because he respects the gravity of potential situations and commitments, whereas someone who is just going to run off like her ex doesn't have due reason to give a shit.
Yeah, always take that with a big pinch of salt.
They still are shaming him for not being a gread guy enough to be fit to date a single mom, though, as if that was the greatest role a decent man could aspire to be.
I think we can safely say that there is no way Chad is gone forever. I love how it has only been like four months (four months!), and this woman, who is pregnant and feeling very abandoned by Chad (who broke off the relationship), decides to go on the dating market while insisting that Chad will disappear forever once his child is born, sign away all rights, etc. Yeah, no.
Exactly! Then j get Calle doubt for "being a redpiller"
i like what you did with those words. +1
No they are shaming him for considering anything but being her provider.
Is she a widow? If it's "no" then she needs to get that dude not Mr. OKC to step up. But, that isn't going to happen.
I can't even read that shit. I'm getting so pissed off reading what those asshat, mushmouth idiots wrote, I want to go punch something. The level of delusion these people live in is just staggering. Of course he doesn't want to raise some other guys kid, and sure as hell not with some skank he just met on OKStupid! Good grief, these women can't handle an ounce of personal responsibility.
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Online Dating.
Where her price approaches infinity and your time is worth nothing.
I feel this way about all the online dating websites besides Tinder. I tried POF and Ok Cupid. Wrote personal messages and Tinder like pickup lines, it didn't matter either way as my reply rate wasn't exceptional and when they would reply it would typically require these long conversations for them to go out.
On Tinder I can plan a few dates in a week, I only need to send a pickup line no personal message, the girls I go out with are much hotter than the ones I could pull on either POF or Ok Cupid despite my profile pictures being the same and the dates are typically planned by the third or fifth message.
I wonder how much of this is due to the male populace of these websites.
OKcupid skews older and probably more beta, so women have better financially and emotionally validating offers, increasing their price.
Its the medium. Girls are extremely picky on
MyspaceOkCupid and you can have one thing in your profile that they will read too much into and discriminate you. Tinder is close to real life. What you see is what you get. Charm and wit goes a lot further and its a chat ap, not a dating website like POF/OKcupid. Your profile on those sites should be passive trolling nets, where as tinder is fly fishing.Plus their profiles are the women they want to be not the women they are. Flosses twice a week and loves to run my ass you dead toothed fat ass.
My job is listed as financial analyst. No doctor but shit.
Part of me thinks it's just the volume of messages and tinder is less because they have to like you first and they took off unlimited likes. While I may pay for it women won't so they're more choosy. Just have to beat out the guy trying to do the whole talking thing by asking them out quickly.
I have the opposite impression of Tinder. I can pull better looking women in real life than on Tinder. Even ugly girls have high standards on Tinder.
So true about one's time being worth nothing.
Bullet dodged. She was just looking for a BB to lock down. Convenient how everyone taking her side ignores the fact that she is single for a reason.
Could be worse. At least her pregnancy is obvious. I dodged a bullet one time when I repeatedly turned down a cute chick. I don't know why, but I got a bad feeling about it. Not long after that she started to show signs of pregnancy.
They don't really have to hide it anymore.
This may come off a bit "woo-woo" but I think guys just have an instinctual pregnancy-radar embedded in our genes. Not only can our eyes determine her exact body proportions from like a mile away, but sometimes it feels like I can smell pregnancy just from the way she speaks and behaves. jus sayin
People don't go on dating apps to be fathers
The OKCupid sub is worse than all the relationship subs combined. It's been entrenched with high testosterone, bitchy, post-wall women since day one. It was one of the first subs I browsed when I made this account nearly 7 years ago.
Beta guys would come to the sub looking for help with their lack of game, and instead they're instructed on how to worship pussy. Even pre-TRP I knew the advice was shit. However, not knowing better most guys would do exactly what they were told. After all, women should give the best advice on how to date women right? The frequency of posts complaining that the methods don't work was staggering. Literally several per day. And the response to it was always "Well, you were probably a douchecanoe somehow"
The OKCupid sub can be a good resource if you do literally the opposite of everything they say there. In this case, the nearly cucked dude was emotionally mature for not going through with being some random alpha widows' ATM.
Women's advice on women is awful because they assume attraction. A guy asks her, "what do I do to get this girl to like me?" and she thinks, "what would I want Chad Thundercock to do for me?" Why? She doesn't even consider the 10 guys she rejects for every 1 she's attracted to. She doesn't think about what he does to attract her, she just knows she's attracted, and then she tells her male friend to do what she'd like that guy to do.
This is a really good comment. This is why they give the "just be yourself advice" from they perspective it's actually a really good advice: "Chad, I'm attracted to you, I don't know how this happened, but keep it up, don't change anything "
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If I wanted to learn how to catch a fish, Im not exactly going to ask the fish how they'd like to be caught am i?
I would call him "smart enough", not necessarily "emotionally mature".
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've been thoroughly sold on the BP-narrative, and I wasn't a terribly emotionally mature person when younger, and still if there was one thing I would never have considered, it would have been seriously (as in: long term) dating a single mom. It was an instant dealbreaker for me that came from the base of my gut.
I agree, plus anyone who posts on there and also posts on here will get DOX'd or whatever if they find your profile.
You have to think of the women that post there, they are "experts" at dating. not experts at being in relationships. Dating is a game where the more women date the less value they hold, the more men date the more value we gain.
Perpetually single women are single for a reason, perpetually single men (by choice) know whats up.
WTF is a pregnant woman doing dating in the first place? She must have an extremely high opinion of herself to think thats a good idea.
Her narcissism probably has led her to believe that she will get as much attention pregnant as she did when she was not pregnant. Reality is going to bitch slap this woman, unless she finds a really desperate beta.
She'll probably find a beta to milk as well.
We also know that her "non-pregnant self" probably never initiated like she did here. she probably never freely gave compliments or sexual body contact either. She's a farce, but she's just doing what she thinks is best in her situation, so I can't really look down on her.
Isn't it obvious? To find an ATM card.
yeah, but its a little transparent if you show up to a date 4 months pregnant.
If she can lock in some beta to support her and pay for everything why not? The only fool here is him.
Uh...
Dating a single mom because I don't have any non-pregnant, child-free options and she's all I can get, and getting involved with someone else's child is emotionally immature. You don't do shit like that just to be with a girl and maybe even score some sex.
Walking away from a woman like this is, hands down, the more emotionally mature option. Admitting, politely, that you recognize that her situation is not something you want, not leading her on, not getting involved -- that's emotional maturity.
That was kind of what I was taking away from it too.
Guy wasn't owning his shit, instead, sitting there stewing and seething with anger, while all the time playing nice and even hinting at more. Probably pretended to have the conversation he 'wished he had' when he was in his car on the way home.
Instead, he let a bunch of idiots on the internet talk him into doing something he didn't want to do, pouted internally the whole time, then proceeded to come back to the hens nest for round two of shaming
This guy's got the right idea: "bang her for a few months and then disappear before she gives birth. dont hang around for single moms it's always drama and their baby comes first before you".
It's all the way down, the most downvoted comment.
You can just tell that most of these guys are cucks and betas. Living in a fairytale where the knight saves the damsel with a kid from the jerk. Why are bitches this stupid? If the dad is a jackass and won't start a family with you, just abort the baby before it starts to develop into an actual humanoid creature in the womb. They would rather trap themselves and wreck their bodies instead of going for that clean slate and learn from the experience.
The media needs to stop praising single moms and they need to stop using words like "fierce, strong, indepedant" to describe these chicks.
This, so much.
Let's be honest here - while single moms may not be as bad as the most recent stickied post said they were ("99% subhuman trash" or something like it), they're still on average worse than non single-moms. Because they are considerably more likely to either suck at picking guys (which correlates with being a CC-rider and Chad-groupie) or to suck at being partners (by breaking up with the father of a child, which is a retarded decision, or by driving him away, which is a retarded decision as well). Either way they've already shown poor judgment and long-term thinking, and possibly poor personality as well.
And yet everything one reads about single moms appears to be some sort of sales pitch - awesome women who deserve constant praise as heroines who got into their unfortunate situation because of shitty men.
Exactly. It's not like they can't abort. If the foetus is already at its humanoid form, I can understand being against the abortion. But bitches be a week pregnant abd decide they're going to keep it because they "always wanted a baby". It's like they couldn't get pregnant at any other time but now so they HAVE to keep it. No! Dumbass get pregnant when you're secure and fairly stable, find yourself a decent/good enough man and stick with him. Don't get pregnant by the loser with no job who doesn't want to be a father, or that guy you fucked semi consistently who doesn't know your last name. You're breeding with a worthless male, you're basically validating his genes to be passed on. The kid will be a living reminder of him. It's like they don't even care about the quality of the sperm that grows inside of them. All because "I always wanted a baby", like it's some kind of toy.
Single moms = top class feminist beta kids
I might have done the same, especially if she's as cute as he made her out. I've always had this weird bucket list item to bang a pregnant chick. Back in the day I figured I'd get a chance with my wife. Now, not so much.
New plan: 1. Build suitable containment vessel. 2. Convince him to pump and dump her. 3. Place preggo girl in said vessel. 4. Harness the limitless power as her hamster reaches light speed.
If you read through the comments, you will notice that the top commenter ("you are far, far too emotionally immature to date a single mom.") is herself a single mother and complains about her own semen donor not sending any money.
Dirty slut, 4 months pregnant and still fucking around.
I love how no one cares about the kid or that this slut is basically signing herself up for an emotional roller coaster during it's most important brain development.
They should put her in a facility for risk of endangerment to a child. That said, I would have taken a blowjob from her.
I don't care about the kid ☺ Not my bastard lol
No but her ex sounds like he should win luckiest man alive if he seriously gets her to release him from his parental rights.
If he walks away from this with zero child support and zero involvement, someone needs to get him a cake.
I predict: if she finds that beta-milk, she'll probably sign away his parental rights; and if she fails to find that human ATM, "too bad Chad, you ain't going nowhere!"
That's not some shit you reward.
Most states don't allow people to just waive child support like that since the strong independent woman's plan is usually to just instantly go on welfare.
If she puts the new BB on the birth certificate the state won't give a fuck. If not, and the new guy adopts (given dad surrenders his rights to the child), again, the father won't be responsible.
Happened to a buddy of mine. I never met the BB, but what a tool.
I would award him reddit gold if somehow he posts on TRP.
The problem is that this kid isn't going to be the only broken one in its generation and you will most likely still be there to witness and suffer from the consequences to our society.
This. She isn't a slut because she got pregnant- what is this sub about; bettering yourself or slut shaming women who have sex like we're a bunch of bitchy church folk?
She got pregnant from someone who wasn't going to be a supporter though. She made a bad decision.
Don't stick your dick in crazy yo. I wouldn't.
Supposedly pregnancy makes women super horny, and there are allegedly health benefits to having sex right up until the end of the third trimester. In fact, I recall a Nip / Tuck episode where one of the female characters was basically running around fucking a ton of dudes while pregnant because the pregnancy was enhancing her nymphomaniac tendencies. Also, let's not forget all the porn stars who make films while well into a pregnancy. Can you imagine growing up as a boy and the discovering a video with your mother getting railed by several dudes? That would be quite a shit sandwich. Plus, in the age of the Internet, all of your "friends" at school would be the first to find out and tell you! It's the kind of shit that makes you wish for a Collateralized Therapy Obligation to invest in.
Sounds to me she's still hunting for better genes than the one she got inseminated with...
Hunter-gatherers isolated from civilization believe in 'partial paternity'. They think that the baby is the accumulation of the semen provided by all her sexual partners.
https://archive.is/OmbrA
Instinct. Can't turn it off.
Some yes, some women just have phases of it. The benefits of endorphins are well documented. There is a lot experienced folk out there, personal and medical experience, that talk of orgasms helping with inducing labour.
It actually is not always the case. My buddy's wife is pregnant and he said there was not crazy fuck sessions.quote opposite sex in fact.
I bet she's carrying a girl. Sometimes, with a male fetus, women get horny (IIRC, during 2nd trimester); that's Junior's balls coming online.
N.B. I am not a doctor unless you count "witch doctor".
This sounds like bullshit, but I don't know enough about fetuses to dispute that.
We'll it could theoretically increase the mothers testosterone levels, not sure if it can cross the placenta.
Thank God- I was concerned how much you did know about horny fetuses being DTF.
Some women get horny AF some don't
Because television is such a great source of information?
Only if it's advertised as "fiction," as opposed to "news."
Hahaha oh that's a real kicker. Where the hell is the biological dad for the little bun in the oven?
She's seeing 2 men now.
At least there's no chance of her becoming pregnant again if he does the deed with someone already pregnant. I'd have advised him to plate her for a month or two. Guaranteed NSA sex!
You haven't seen Pregnant Baby.
What the fuck? I get the negativity around her probably just wanting a Beta provider. But your comment sounds like a bitchy chick friend of hers.
Maybe a legit point. It was more in astonishment / wonder. Some definitions probably are helpful ☺
Slut - woman who fucks around a lot.
Dirty - disease ridden
Obviously she is really concerned about her kid if she is trying to hook up on OKC and fuck guys. If she catches an STD that will really mess up her kid.
Maybe it is, maybe it is not. Simple definitions abound, however- are we not meant to be above binary thinking? Should we not strive to be above the simplistic masses? I'm guilty of it as well. Conniving women = wannabe slut.
However, to truely embrace critical thinking and objective reasoning we have to take a step back as rational males and suggest decisions slowly. Feel free to break my balls when I do it.
Because of course any man that does not chain himself emotionally and financially to a woman with a proven track record of bad decision making is a shitlord!
Equality is Oppression! Double Plus Good!
Holy shit read this and try to resist the urge to stick a gun in your mouth.
https://archive.is/FLkej
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Hahaha I stumbled upon that article earlier today too. This is one of the most insane things I have ever read, and the only thing more disturbing is not one of the commenters even questions what this lunatic is doing. Not only are women thinking this behavior is ok, they are collectively agreeing that it is completely acceptable.
What the fuck, dude? Good thing I haven't eaten anything yet today, or it would be all over my laptop. Absolutely fucking disgusting.
Cock carousel riding, AF/BB while being pregnant from artificial insemination.
Dunno if it was AFBB.
There are two types of guys who would react with "that's cool" if their date told them she's pregnant by sperm that isn't his.
Somehow I have an idea what Jeff is.
You have to read between the lines with this one. When she said that jeff responded to hearing she was pregnant by saying "Wow, that’s amazing! That’s so great", I thought oh my what a loser. But then she up and says "Unfortunately, it ultimately didn’t work out with Jeff". At that point I almost fell of my chair laughing. She was pumped and dumped and barley even seems to realise it.
Interesting that the man is emotionally immature, but the late, 4 month pregnant woman without the father around is a bastion of maturity.
Women are three years more mature than men. It's science! /s
I'm 35 now. If I could go back to 32 year old me, oh the wisdon I could impart
Had to up-vote this. I have seen this a number of times. I bet that thread is littered with the term "Man up". This guy needs to grow a pair, dump that bitch and for gods sake get off the OKCupid sub. That's why you will never see a red pill guy on there: because they know to never ask a woman, beta or a white night for advice. I'll bet there is almost no mention of the guy that got her pregnant and then told her to fuck off. Probably not a word about his responsibility.
Hahaha, oh my god what a ludicrously extreme case. Team girl is fucking shameless in how they see the world and how disingenuous they are for men. They don't give a fuck about his happiness or self respect. They don't respect him because he they know he took out a pregnant chick in the first place. Now they're just trying to beat him into securing a victory for their AFBB teammate. I mean, look at this advice:
It's not even pretending to be wise, respectful, understanding, or just. It's just team girl shittery enforced by manginas.
In reality, single Mothers are the bane of Western civilization. They're raising the future car jackers of America. A huge percentage of men in prison were raised by single Mothers. Only a total sucker would raise another man's mistake.
Single Mothers always bring with them baggage. Not only of their bastard children, but also of the baby daddy who is usually not too far away. They are usually totally irresponsible, which is how they became single Mothers in the first place.
1 rule of men: Avoid single Mothers at all costs.
That right there is the whole situation in a nutshell. People are already acting like it's his kid. No, it's some other dude's kid.
This girl sounds like a fucking train wreck.
She literally has no long term plans or goals. She just wants to pump out more units! And why? Because she had totally surrendered herself to her most basic instincts. From OP's post, it sounds like the entire date was one giant daddy interview, and now the white knights and feminazis of Reddit are shaming him for being wise enough to notice.
This guy is wise beyond his young years. I hope to god society doesn't beat it out of him.
Wtf does a girl in this position thinks she has to offer a man?
Read that article to gain insights into such a twisted mind, from a woman who is fed up with the fact that everybody is telling her that she should thank God every day of the week that he send her a BB who was willing to wife her up despite being a single mom.
There you have it. He isn't doing her a favor by picking up her mess, she's doing him one by allowing him to do it.
Holy crap. That article is pure crystallized solipsism. No clue that other, way shittier outcomes for single mothers exist and are common.
Find me one guy who admits that his womans son 'was an amazing catch' and Ill find you a guy in jail
A child that may or may not be healthy and one he certainly will not have a natural emotional attachment to, obviously! /s
This is, like, high school girl level logic. I'm willing to bet most of the people shaming this guy have a great deal of expectations for the world to shower them with attention and a free living once they get knocked up. They should look at the single mom and realize that they had better be responsible themselves so they don't end up like that. People in that situation deserve our pity, but they are entitled to nothing else. Especially not from a random guy who spent a few hours hanging out with them; a date is not a contract.
In a traditional society, it'd be nearly impossible to groan at the amount of sympathy, niceness, respect, and love that women get for free during their early years. Motherhood, by which I mean actual committed motherhood and not the bullshit mothers do in 2015, is actually huge commitment and sacrifice. She's also making that huge decision at too early of an age to really consider all the details and the decision really is selflessly for the good of society and the child.
During this time, people would shower her with favors, protection, validation, and reassurance. Why wouldn't they have that kind of reverence for someone in her position right?
Feminism is an abomination of that dynamic. During a woman's social celebrity time, she is selfishly abusing it to suck a world of dick and have drinks bought to her so that she can destroy her body a little more easily. She does no good for society, prioritizes partying over production, and acts like a total bitch to everyone. She still expects the pregnancy-years treatment though.
The red pill does an honest examination of what women provide nowadays, how justified the pussypass is, and how we ought to think about the new woman without getting white knighty or emotional about it. There's only one conclusion worth reaching and we reach it. Anyone who doesn't reach that conclusion (ie punchingmorpheus or srsmen) is specifically trying not to.
Women can't provide actual reasons for why we shouldn't reach that conclusion and so they resort to shaming tactics. They stop the conversation from being held at all costs. They make it seem like if you have that conversation, you will never get laid. The red pill's hysterically ironic in the sense that we tell men that having that conversation (though not openly) is actually a pathway to pussy heaven. In doing that, we get the conversation to be had and we make feminists cry.
It's comments like this that suprised the shit out of me when I got here and got me subbed. So thanks.
I'd never date a pregnant woman. She was literally just marked in the most natural of ways. She was literally seeded and carrying another guy's child.
Anyone who tells you to "man up" and help her carry and raise this other guys child might as well tell you that the only "sex" you'll ever have is to literally suck cum out of the guy who impregnated her. If you enjoy being a cuckold in the rawest form, date a pregnant chick and eat her pussy while you're at it.
Fuck that.
Something about dating a pregnant woman seems wrong at some basic level, but I can't explain why. Just seems inappropriate.
I read the linked post. The guy comes across as a fucking wierdo, obsessing about her baby and showing signs of having strange rage/anger issues. The replies you quoted are just keying off that, something is wrong with that guy.
Obviously it's trashy for a pregnant woman to be going on Internet dates and it's ludicrous for any guy to go on a first date with a pregnant woman, but are those really TRP lessons? They seem more like how to not be trailer trash lessons. Not feeling much actual insight in this post.
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Yes absolutely, I agree with you 100%
The problem of course being that the OP didn't say any of those things, and was talking about the commenters.
OP is obviously a damaged person as well.
Also lol'd at the 5 minutes late bit. Getting pissed at 5 minutes of lateness (unless you're in the military) smacks of mental femininity.
Dude!
If you aren't 10 minutes early, you're late!
He has a Nice Guy syndrome but he's also "clever" enough to realise that he's not fucking ready for this task. Hence the mental conflict and struggle.
He walked away though, so good on him for that.
As a guy who has 2 kids ... you are never ready. However, at the time of conception, i was married for 6 years and was "settled". AKA I had my shit together.
If you asked me about kids, 8 years earlier, oh FUCK no, not going to have them.
One problem, whoever is on the birth certificate ... is the "daddy" in the State's eyes. Once the kid was born and then you hooked up there's a better chance of leaving if things aren't working.
I'm not ready to stick my hand on the stove, so I don't.
I hope one day I can be mature enough physically to handle it
Are you OP from the thread ?
depends, are you doing to shame me for not sticking my hand on the stove element?
I'm not shaming anyone anywhere. If it's you, good luck with your dating life, if you're not, well same thing basically.
Take away the justifying and what does he get angry /annoyed about? Same things men should find annoying, things that actually show he has a sense of worth, but has been indoctrinated to believe its wrong.
He gets annoyed/angry @ she was late and didn't let him now. Subconsciously he understands the meaning of this, even if he cannot explain it. She bought a friend without telling him, subconsciously he knows this is deceitful. An honest girl would have said, " its the first time I'm meeting you I'll feel better if I bring a friend along". She was evasive about her job it means she has none, he realises this. The baby's father is refusing to pay child support, he knows she is looking for someone else to pay for her and her child. The only reason she would not chase the father for child support is if he is also a bum, or low earner , and she is betting that she can bag a higher earner to provide for herself and her child.
This reads like someone was using objective reasoning. Better than those angry reactionary statements.
I can top that one!
I went out on a date with some girl I met on POF who turned out to have been recently diagnosed with Breast Cancer!
At first... Things were going great. She didn't tell me about the cancer until about 30 minutes into the date. Things got awkward as fuck after that. And no... I didn't ask her out on a second date. Last time I checked, her profile is still up on the site several months later.
I felt bad for her... But... Who wants to start a relationship with a woman who might start to die a slow and agonizing death in the somewhat near future?
Hopeless romantics with little to none relationship experience.
I have much more sympathy for the breast cancer woman compared to the pregnant woman. The woman with breast cancer didn't choose to have it. The pregnant woman did choose to stay pregnant. Neither are suitable dating choices, but you can't blame her for trying to get some dick before she dies.
TIL Im far, far too emotionally immature to date a single mam.
Sex and the single mammery.
I fucking swear to god.....why can't people realize that maybe women who get impregnated by deadbeats are fucking dumbshits themselves? No...it's always the guys not "manning up". To any women reading this: it is your responsibility to vet whoever cums in your pussy. Woman up, hoes.
From the thread:
OP shows interest in the kid.
OP shows more interest in the kid.
RED FLAG: She has basically guaranteed money from the feminist-government machine and refuses to get it from her AF because she doesn't want to lose the AF status... hell, once the kid pops out and her new OKC-BB is locked in, she can call up her old AF who...
RED FLAG: Confirmed, looking for a BB.
This part is cringeworthy from her:
I wonder how many more AF kids she can squeeze into the cuck-family.
Ultimately, OP decided on this:
OP has also identified himself as a "nice guy:"
But he wants to stay friendly within the feminized world.
OP has some introspection on the father's status:
Except he's not concerned that he may come back and push him out of the way, he seems more concerned about whether his status as "new daddy" would be concrete.
I guarantee his status as BB-new daddy would be concrete.
Her ex-AF isn't going to come back for the kid... but he will come back to give
heryou another kid.please continue to provide summary posts from OKC, 2X, and relationships
they bring the lulz
Jesus tity-fucking Christ. I knew it was bad out there in blue pill land, but holy fuck. Do these people actually think about anything before they open their stupid fucking mouths? Of fucking course not.
It's all about feeeeeeeeelings in blue pill land. It's so obvious that these people feeeeeeeeel bad for little Ms. Single Mother, to the point that she is owed something from society (but especially men). Even the OP has been indoctrinated to believe this shit. Why else would he waste his time posting a thread and asking others for opinions if he wasn't? He felt uncomfortable on the date, but he's also uncomfortable about rejecting this delicate, little, special snowflake who just deserves to be treated with respect and compassion!
Fuck that. Fuck a single mother. They're human fucking trash. Especially this one, fucking around while she's goddamn four months deep into pregnancy. Her fucking baby is going to come out with an indention in its forehead because of all the dick mommy's been taking leading up to its birth. And really guys, how fucking hard is it to keep us around? All a guy needs is fucking sex from time to time with a decent looking girl who doesn't act like a goddamn piece of retarded shit. But then you realize that most single mothers are single by their own choice. Because they aren't haaaaaaaappy!
They're the lowest of the low. Don't even put your dick in them. They'll do everything in their power to rope you in and bring you into their fucked up situation. Stay away from trash. You don't owe anyone on this fucking planet anything, especially the ones who are too ungrateful and unhappy to appreciate it. Law 10, always keep it in mind.
Words of truth. Two years ago when I went to Holland I met an extended family living in a single apartment. One of the women there (ugly) had two kids from previous marriages (both husbands died, if I remember well), was shit poor, an alcoholic like all her siblings (all drank until they collapsed on couches: ethnic Russians 101). One of the kids was a four years old boy who instantly bonded with me (typical single-mother children seeking love in strangers). Seeing that, I guess his mother found a huge BB potential and AGGRESSIVELY tried to fuck me that night. After saying NO a million times, she came to my room (while I was sleeping) and mounted me with her kids sleeping in that very same room. Such desperation for a meal ticket...
DO NOT "date" single mothers.
This is what riles me up about the way women are depicted in our society: as a rule they don't want to take advantage of you but only have your common best interest in mind.
She doesn't lower her standard because she's desperate, she "matured" and "finally knows what she wants". When she tries to rope you (the hapless BB) in, she doesn't have her own selfish interest in mind and doesn't give a shit about you, oh no, she of course has fallen for you since she finally realized that you're the best thing since sliced bread.
And when everything goes south (as is to be expected) the only thing you're getting is a heartfelt "but but but NAWALT!"
Stop holding back. Tell us how you really feel.
I think I got it all out, fortunately.
Fuuuuuuuuucccckkkkkk Blue Pill land. Fuck that so much. Needs to get nuked.
You're right though. We're so fucking genetically predetermined to LOVE women, it should be a piece of cake for them to keep us around. Be MODERATELY acceptable and you should be fine. But nope, they manage to chase us away despite our programming.
This is not true
Indoctrination implies that the attitudes he expresses were instilled in him by some external agent (society, culture, schooling, media, etc.)
Feminism is biologically hardwired into every male's brain. The social development of feminism simply harnesses this into something more focused and effective.
If you said that "education enables people to reason", you'd be wrong. The mental faculties for logical reasoning are inherent in every man (stronger in some than in others). Education systemizes this reasoning to make it more effective than it already is.
Likewise, OP isn't indoctrinated to feel bad for the woman, he feels bad for the woman because she's a woman, and women are more physically neotenous (look more childlike) than men. However, on top of this, systematic feminist memes make him feel even more guilty (she'll make less money because she's a woman, she's probably been physically abused, she has a 25% chance of having been raped, etc.)
Feminism and the WaW-effect aren't interchangeable. Feminism profits immensely from it, but it also works in a very traditional environment.
But you know what's biologically hardwired into every male's brain? Not wanting to take care of another guy's spawn.
That's an understatement. Feminism can only exist because of it.
In this case, the baby daddy cheated on her and left her for the other girl when she found out.
I'm not saying she deserves support, she shouldn't have had sex with someone whose commitment was tenuous if not nonexistent and nobody should have to foot the bill for her and her kid, be it some misinformed beta or all of us through taxes, but it doesn't necessarily make them "human fucking trash".
What am I saying, yea she's fucking trash.
He is honest and they hate him. Yet many low level people would manipulate her need and exploit her, use her, and dump her. IMO he is a true gentleman
He isn't honest, not to himself and not to the redditors.
He has made up his mind about not wanting to date her beforehand, and than makes up reasons to justify that decision (like her being 5 minutes late... I mean, seriously?), and then runs to reddit for validation.
Honesty would have been "I went on that date I wish I hadn't gone to, and even though she was nice enough, I simply can't look over the fact that she's pregnant by another guy, and I won't apologize for it."
By honest I meant simply he choose not to pump and dump her and not to exploit her desperation. His way of writing and explaining himself could simply be he is brainwashed into being a "nice guy" but has the instincts of Red Pill man.
I think this is the case with lots of guys. Everyone knows when shit's not write, but then they think "damn if I say it how I think it I will sound like an asshole", that's the indoctrination effect. So when they do decide to speak out they do it in a way that they feel is is acceptable, they try to plead and justify etc. This makes them sound like whiney bitches and makes them easy targets for female and bp bullies.
No, he just doesn't want to play the fatherly role for some rando's kid. That's certainly redpill-ish, but not really an indicator of someone having "redpill instincts".
That alone isn't. Although my point was mostly about the things that he didn't like about the way the girl acted on the date.
He is a gentleman. But being one in 2015 means fuck all.
Someone should just send him that story about guy who was beta wallet, cared for the spawn etc. When she was getting married, they never invited any one who BW suggested, and when during some preparations, she was excited about her real dad escorting her to the altair, BW finally broken and told everyone to GTFO.
I don't have link for that, but it's good story.
This happens in a society where people can't see past the 'victim' label.
Not all 'victims' are nice people. Nor are they emotionally mature. 95% of being a good parent, is picking a good parenting partner. If you pick an abusive man to be your child's father, you have already failed as a parent. Victim or not, a person who chooses an abusive person as a co-parent is demonstrating that THEY are too emotionally immature to raise a child. You can feel bad for them being a victim, but that doesn't mean that they aren't in LARGE part responsible for putting their own child in a VERY bad situation. I've known any number of parents (with penises and vaginas alike) who have children with a partner they KNOW to be abusive, and at that point I no longer feel bad for them; I feel bad for their children.
If this woman decided to get pregnant by a man she knew to be abusive, and this guy doesn't want to date somebody who has ties to an abusive ex, I don't blame him. I've been out with a girl who had an abusive ex, and he kicked down a door when we were watching a movie at her place and started a fight with me (with their baby upstairs). The cops had to be called, and she ended up getting back with that guy (though she did testify against him and ended up dumping him later). That is a head case no sane man should latch himself on to.
YES!! This guy should ABSOLUTELY question the situation. If this woman is mental enough to let some abusive guy knock her up, chances are this abusive ex is going to be dragged in to their relationship and likely break it up inside the first year, and this guy would have wasted his time.
I'm not saying I wouldn't date a pregnant woman. Or a woman with a child (the later I've done a number of times). But no way am I going to date a woman in THAT situation.
The guy does seem immature to be fair. He's pissed about her being 5 mins late for example and he agreed to a date while he clearly has issues with her being pregnant. Thats dumb on his part.
That said, it shocks me that nobody mentions things like how the girl showed up with a friend (weird) and that she's dating while 4 mo ths pregnant (implying she ls barely had time to get over the ex). The whole thing g stinks on her part. I half wonder if she isn't just trying to make the ex jealous by finding another guy. She also said he was sending some trashy girl texts, which is why she ended it. My question is. If she was cute and not trashy herself, why did the ex even bother? Let's be real, it at s two to tango and she screwed up as well. Regless, the entire situation is a red flag and the dude never should have bothered.
And even if her presentation is accurate, why did she get pregnant by that douchebag? Questions, questions and more questions.
This is why people need to be more introspective. Put yourself into her shoes and ask why you did what you did. The answers are likely going to be similar, and in this case, not sufficient. Red flag central up in here.
99.9% of the time the single mothers I've spoken to are in the position they're in because they found some made up excuse to eject the guy and then proceed to blame him. Instead of sticking with the man of her children and fixing their marriage they let it ruin or get to a state they can split up. Its their fault.
That last 0.1% is where their husband died in their job or accident. Which is not the single mothers fault, but the vast majority 99% act as though they are the innocent victims and deserve more men to provide.
Regardless of how they get in that position they get jaded at men for their isolation and loneliness. Its best to avoid all single mothers break contact immediately walk away. The worst are women who conceal the fact they have children and lead you on unaware instead of being up front about it from the start.
Its actually very beneficial. Have a kid with an alpha guy break up and keep his income, catch a beta guy get his income. Two incomes is better to raise an alpha kid.
Except the "alpha" kid will grow up damaged and wrong without a father figure. With an overwhelming possibility of ending up as mummy's little beta
Yes I should have added "raise an alpha they can control and replace the first guys income when it runs out".
Its does seem mothers like to either have completely beta kids they can absolutely control and become failures among their peers, or alpha kids who grow up to dominate other men but still under their control and the mothers rules by proxy. History is full of mother figures who ruled through their sons and conspired against the father to take his wealth and power, usually because there was imagined or real threat from other women luring away the father and women know how other women will manipulate a guy to ditch his old wife and son, for fresh sex.
A guy at work has gotten roped into this. Shes a young, cute, single mom who got knocked up by some sociopath looser. Hes socially awkward, virgin type, with a good physique. Shes taken him from coworker to husband in about a year. The kid is about 7, so when hes about 18, then its divorceville time. Shes already decided no more kids for her. He thinks hes so lucky, I talk to him about it at work. I used to talk to her, and almost got something going with her back in my BP days. She admitted to me that as soon as she could lock in a BB, shed marry him. Its all about the provisioning. For her, and her spawn. Hes got no idea, he bought all the propaganda. Its already over. She knows it, I know it, hes got no idea. Its pretty sad.
I'll take that over raising someone else's kid.
Since when can a person not have a preference in the women he dates and not want to raise someone else little bastard?
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Activists on feminist subreddits have already begun to deploy this "logic" when it comes to transsexuals.
"Ugh, you dumped her just because you found out she has a penis? Gender is a social construct, you misogynist pig! She's still a woman - just a women with male genitalia. Why is that a problem?"
"Don't think of it as a penis... think of it as a really big clit"
Dating a single mom and providing for her bastard child seems to be biggest achievement for beta cucks...
Deal breaker for me would've been having to raise a kid who isn't related to me at all!
I used to fuck a chick that was ~1 month pregnant. She was fucking amazing in bed and fine as hell. I fucked her for a couple months so she didn't show. Had no intention of seriously dating this chick, we just wanted to fuck. She stayed with the dad, don't know about now it was a long time ago.
It was great, I nutted all up in that pussy.
But I wouldn't suggest seriously dating a pregnant woman.
This civilization is going down the toilet, and I don't care anymore.
That comment section is fucking ridiculous. However, definitely not surprised by all the insanity going on. After all we are on reddit
Why can't the woman just fuck her boyfriend / husband..
Oh, he didn't stick around? Talk about maturity.. If a guy doesn't want to fuck a pregnant woman, he's immature. But if a woman gets knocked up without having a fatherfigure for her child, that's cool.
This reply is gold: "Every date I've ever been on in the past year the girl has been at least 5 minutes late. It's sort of how things go."
Dude, just accept your worthlessness.
This is laughable. People need to consider if the shoe was on the other foot. Would a lot of women want to date a man who had a currently pregnant ex? I am sure many wouldn't and I am sure they wouldn't be judged for this either. I have no issue with men who choose to date a pregnant woman and help take care of the child. My brother and his wife met this way and he adopted the child and now they have other kids and are still together 12 years later.
I think when people feel insecure about something, their first response it to attack. I think that women often worry that being a pregnant single Mum will make them completely undesirable, so they attack any man who would reject a woman based on this premise, rather than thinking about it rationally.
This right here is all you need to say to show the craziness of the situation. "Top replies call him an asshole and an immature baby for not wanting to raise another guy's kid"
Unless the lady really has something going for her, I'd rather not pay to spread some other guy's genes.
"Man up" seems to be code for "assume the responsibility for someone else's shit".
If she wasn't able to hook the baby daddy, she's not worth keeping around.
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The stupidity and irrationality of the blue pillers responding to his post leaves me in a state of utter shock and awe. I cannot even fathom how they think that shacking up with a pregnant woman is a good idea. That post baffles me to no end.
These BP comments are hilarious-- we live in an interesting time where bastard children of alphas can be raised by deluded manginas hahahhahahaha.
That's how the superior genes survive.
Even if someone gave him useful advice he wouldn't see it because of the down votes.
Women can only shame men who give a fuck about what they think.Have you own set of principles and adhere to them. Also,most people on that subreddit are life's losers.
I will admit that the fact he made this post shows how petulant the guy really is. I mean if I was deceived sure I would be angry but I would simply walk away and get on with my life. It's silly to write 1,250 words (I put it in a word document to see how many words) about a bad date where you got catfished. The only person who looks like an idiot is you.
Buddy, if she has kids and isn't married(assuming not a widow), 99% of the time she is trashy herself. I guarantee it.
Hah! He will always be there, whether he is physically there or not is irrelevant.
Charge of Puerility (Code Green) – The Peter Pan Charge (https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/)
Classic, "You're so immature."
This is incredibly depressing, the commenters just quietly gloss over the fact that a string of questions about how OP is at raising kids aren't quite a perfect match for a "no strings" first date.
At least when video games ask me to raise someone else's kid, I can turn them off.
I hate to say it, but the guy is a bit clueless on how to present himself. It is not the actions, but the delivery that gets him in trouble here. If he had said, "hey, so I've got a date with this pregnant woman, but I don't think I'm really comfortable with that and I'm going to politely cancel," he'd be met with praise (note how when he lets her know he's not interested he's upvoted in the comments). I don't think we're in a society that is so far gone that we'd expect a random guy from OkCupid to date an already pregnant girl and raise her baby. Sure, we're very much pro "single mom and stepdad" in this society, but we still haven't gotten this far yet.
He makes several claims that just make him seem unlikeable, and that gets him in trouble. Can you really expect people to respond positively to a "slow fade" approach with a pregnant woman? As much as I feel no sympathy for the modern woman, this woman is in a position of extreme vulnerability (unlike the typical modern woman), so just in terms of morality in general it wouldn't hurt to tell her his intentions, even if it's her fault that she's in that situation.
Yes the thread is overly harsh and it makes a ton of awful comments (she's not just looking to date, she is looking for a stepdad). Yes we should never expect a man to be comfortable raising another man's child. Yes this is indicative of the way that society is going, but this thread took a bad turn because he presented himself poorly, not because people expect him to raise the kid or be okay with this situation.
OP sounds incredibly awkward. He's 'super pissed' she's 5 minutes late? He determines they have no chemistry after waiting in line for food?
Also, who the F would go on an OKC date with a pregnant woman? What?!??!
And he had to run to Reddit to tell them all about the date? So much cringe and awkwardness here.
tl;dr: TRP is a great ideology that has its message lost with illogical, extremist posts like this instead of quality posts that explain/give examples of what TRP truly stands for. This is ruining the community, as you can see by everyone's reply in this thread.
Did anyone actually read the original thread?
I believe in the true fundamental ideas about TRP, but extremist posts like these only hurt the community and prevent outsiders from ever joining because the messages are construed into thinking we're just a women and beta hating angry mob.
The consensus wasn't that he was immature for not wanting to date a pregnant woman, the consensus was he was immature for being a weirdo with no game and making things super awkward for her. He knew she was pregnant before going on the date and practically used her to make himself more comfortable talking to women, since he hasn't dated one in over a year. Furthermore, he just pestered her about the pregnancy because he's socially awkward. He asked about what happened to the father and was contemplating bringing up abortion. No wonder why this was his first date in a year, he can only attract women in a "take what they can get" condition.
Your point would be spot-on if he was blindsided by the pregnancy and was given shit for it, but he went into the date specifically knowing she was already pregnant. Furthermore, OP replies to this comment stating he's OKAY with dating women with children. Additionally, the comment wasn't aggressive, the commenter seemed to just be curious.
Yeah, this was kind of a foolish way for him to start off his idea. There's no doubt the woman was looking for a provider, hence going on dates. But OP was more weirded out by the fact of taking care of a baby i.e. changing diapers. Again, he knew she was pregnant and is okay dating women with kids. If he was so unwilling to raise the kid, why did he go on the date in the first place?
I'm just beating a dead horse at this point, but to sum up what happened: he went on a date with a girl that he knew was pregnant and acted socially awkward/beta, essentially using her to make himself more comfortable because he hadn't dated anyone in over a year (no kidding).
When he decided to stop acting like an immature twat and messaged her politely that he wasn't interest,
guess what? He wasn't ousted, he was praised for handling the situation with some maturity, further proving that the attacks on him weren't because he didn't want to date a pregnant woman, but because he acted beta and didn't know how to properly handle the situation.
Please do not ruin the good word of TRP will illogical rubbish. You're almost as bad the bluepillers/betas/extreme feminist.
In the original thread, a ton of people told him to reconsider dating her though. I didn't see all that much shaming.
rofl wtf ...where is the dad??
The OP in that post was a little bitch to be quite honest. Not because he didn't want to be with a single mom or whatever, but because of how nervous and shook up he was. The shit really wasn't that big of a deal.
The people in that forum were of course dead wrong for shaming him into it. I understand making arguments for the woman's behalf, but to use shaming tactics is, in itself, shameful.
I don't mind dating single moms, just so long as they understand that the kid isn't my obligation. I prefer women without kids. But both have their pros and cons.
lol...the comments, its disgustingly mesmerizing, ive been talking to a single mom before, and stupidly mentioned that im single, quiet frankly she asked, "would you like to be the father of my daughter"....it was not even a shit test.
Why do even people look at those subs in the first place? It's just cringe worthy altogether.
This is the only wisdom I have to offer on dating single moms.
Im not going to pretend like I read the original thread. It comes down to this though. If he didn't know she was pregnant the women is bad if the guy knew she was pregnant he is bad. Why? Both are lies, if it was me I wouldn't of even talked to her to begin with, if I found out she was pregnant on the date I'd talk to her have a good time and never talk to her again. If she brought it up I'd say it straight. Why should I give a fuck?
The problem with a lot of is you think this shit is reality. People aren't going to challenge you in the real world if you maintain frame. It doesn't happen. If it does you laugh and walk away.
Wow. I don't always agree with TRP's analysis because I think that sometimes we jump the gun before we know all the details but... god damn. Those responses. Of course that poor fucking guy should be running for the hills. Some incapable nutjob is trying to latch onto him and force him into a life of commitment that he had no part in creating. Fuuuck that.
"But she said Panera and BBux"
What i got from both threads is that he knew from the jump she was prego... And walked into this with a bad attitude. He sounds oversensitive getting annoyed at someone being 5 minutes late. Hes letting the dumbest shit get to him. He's literally sitting in her frame on a park bench smelling flowers.
I think hes too immature to handle the idea of dating a pregnant woman, and i say this because hes worrying about shit that doesnt need to, or even worse..he thinks its worth the time to even date one .. He doesnt have to raise the kid. But the bitch is pregnant, i dont think he understands how big of a deal that is. Shes probably going to fuck her ex...shes probably going to be busy all the time, bitchy, hungry,lazy, and women are very instictive at this point. At what point was this a good idea.
I think the real question here is , why are all these people looking for help on those forums and asking dumb questions for any little decision that they have to make in their lives instead of leaving strangers out of their lives. Dude has to make his own decisions.
Hey sometimes you need another perspective. Asktrp is full of it.
i'm super beta but he has no obligation to be a dad in 4 months.
Like all SJWs, more time is spent nitpicking the wordology and putting contexts to them that aren't real. Just like all lefty minded liberals, they take what you say, re-contextualize it and often translate it to something else to make you out to be something you are not.
My ex was a pro at this. There's also a reason that she is my ex.
Of course women act like this, they need plenty of betas around to raise some other guys kids.
Goodness gracious. The top comment saying that he is "too emotionally immature to date a single mother" is such horseshit. This guy seems perfectly reasonable. Instead of doing whatever it takes to pound that wet hole he is actually debating how this woman will affect his life if he pursues a relationship with her. Hamsters hate him! As soon as women lose the ability to control you with sex is sets them (as a whole) into panic.
My question is this: Why is she dating and not taking this time to prepare for the arrival of her baby?
And I just answered my own question.
Never date single moms. I cannot stress this enough; never date pregnant women. I had this conversation Friday with a buddy who got sucked into a 3 week relationship with a 24 yo with 3 kids. He's ended up blocking her on every social media platform, phone email etc. She's now calling him from other numbers. 3 weeks, that's it, that's all it took to see the perfect provider and target in.
Haha
"Raise this other asshole's kid."
Have they really gone that far off the deep end?
You should post a trigger warning next time because my jimmies are rustled.
Women are crazy at the best of times so there is no fucking way I would sign up for extra doses of crazy from the start!
I swear reddit is turning into a cuck secret society. I would honestly be disgusted some bitch can't even stay with a man for more than 9 months to even get through the pregnancy lol so many fucking red flags
At least one woman said he was right to run. Women are often practical and will take the man's side against another woman, because women don't trust each other. But white knights always take the woman's side and are hopeless wastes of flesh.
Well..... tbh if he doesn't want to become a baby daddy, then he shouldn't go near pregnant chick's right? Like that's rule #1.
I'm gonna get down-voted, but this post is just a circle-jerk. OP was pretty immature; if his standards are above dating a preggo then don't date a preggo. He wasted so much energy shitting on her, and then at the end says he likes her. Gtfo and stop wasting both parties time.
Yes it is always the man's fault; that's why we're here.
Let's get one thing straight here and now. That's spawn that she has inside her is not of an alpha male. Real alpha males father their children. This was necessarily a pretender who weaseled his way into her womb. Look to any inner-city neighborhood and you'll see the effects of fatherless culture. Do you think these neighborhoods are the products of Alpha men? Anybody who thinks so is mistaken.
TIL that someone saying you're not emotionally mature enough to raise someone else's kid is an UNFORGIVABLE SHAMING TACTIC. is it really redpill to care what people think of you? I'm asking this seriously.
think about the types of people that would actually go to an OKcupid thread. no surprise here.
There is no way she can claim the baby is his. I'd just plate it up. Am I missing something? Please advise.
He is emotionally immature. She's pregnant. Why the fuck would you go see her AGAIN?
that was hard to read ffs white knights are the worst
I too an to emotionally immature to date a single mum.
That and I just don't want to
She isnt even a mom he'll literally deal with all the pregnancy bs for none of the gain
This thread has opened a floodgate into that other thread and completely transformed the climate in that thread.
"Release the Kraken!!!"
I only see one person (yes, a dude) in that thread taking that stance, that being the one you quoted. The people calling him out on it are upvoted way more and that guy even has comments below the threshold.
It seems like the 'pack of vultures' are on this one guy, not OP.
Sure there are in fact other people saying that, as obvious satire. As far as I can see, he was the only serious one in that thread.
That sub has its faults and a share of manginas, I won't deny that, but at least don't be misleading in the topic title and slam an instance where people are actually mostly showing common sense.
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Lmao are you? "Today was no different. An OP had earlier posted about chatting with a girl who was a few months pregnant. He was shamed and prodded into going on the date anyway, so he did and returned with an update."
Sorry no one on SRS was interested honey
This is a little beside the point, but ya'll should try fucking a 9 month pregnant girl sometimes it's hot as fuck.
Buddy of mine met a 9 month pregnant girl and did exactly that. Baby came out stillborn.
Enjoy that image, you gross bastard.
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I can't explain it. It's just amazing. Go watch some pregnant teen porn and if you like that you'll like it IRL.
The main issue is that they turn into fat girls with babies.
the guy brought it upon himself, he should have cancelled/declined upon learning she was pregnant.
How has it become socially acceptable to shame a man for not wanting to raise another man's child? This shit depresses me so much.
The only emotionally immature people mentioned are the commenters in the original post, and the guy who knocked her up.
Well at least I've come across a good one so far on okcupid. Possibly relationship material but I don't have a clue if she could be an F WORD. Im still digging on that one.