[Mod] If you bitch and moan, I'm a throw you out.

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November 5, 2015

I'm not sure how more obvious it can be made, but just in case somebody here hasn't read the side bar yet, I encourage you to respond to this post and let me know so I can ban you as well.

The rules are very specific. NO CONCERN TROLLING

If you concern troll, you'll be kicked to the curb, no questions asked.

Recently there was a thread removal, and a subsequent witch hunt- oh no! the big bad mods removed a post, there's internet censorship afoot! We must rebel!

First of all, fucking right there's censorship. Think it's easy to keep things in line with idiots running amok posting what ever fucking reaction gifs and memes they want? HELL YES WE REMOVE POSTS. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN PROUD OF THIS AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN UP FRONT ABOUT IT.

If you want a place that stays on topic and strives to keep the signal to noise ratio at a good level, then you're going to embrace the censorship. Because that's what it's for.

But I'm taking it a step further, because apparently some new kids didn't get the memo on concern trolling. Sitting around, complaining about signal to noise, censorship, and complaining about the moderators who selflessly spend hours doing their jobs to give you ungrateful little twats a place to learn to man up, complaining specifically lowers signal and ramps up noise. You're the problem, asshats. Complaining like little school girls instead of picking up the slack like a man.

So, a fellow got his post removed temporarily while the moderators had a discussion about our view of marriage recommendations. The author of said post contacted us to find out what was what. And we explained what was going down and that his post could be reinstated once we were complete with our discussion.

What did he do? Started mouthing off to the mods like he owns the place.

So his post is in the trash bucket and it will never see the light of day no matter how good it might have been.

Then he posts a thread complaining that the big bad mods took away his wittle posty and boo hoo...! Yes, that's right we took it down, and after he insulted the entire mod team he was banned. And I am now going through that thread with 95 comments, and every single person who is in there concern trolling instead of contributing quality content that actually helps the subreddit is also getting a ban. No warnings. You're out of here.

What's our view on marriage recommendations?

Well ultimately, getting married is a personal choice, you can do it or don't. It's your life.

However, if somebody started posting threads saying "You should let yourself go, eat junk food, and just be yourself" we would rightfully delete the fuck out of that thread.

So if somebody comes in here recommending marriage as a successful life strategy, we need to really consider whether that's advice we want passed around as "TRP" advice. While some people may choose to take the risk, and others here have already taken the plunge (perhaps before swallowing the pill), discussion on married game and LTR game is not out of bounds by any stretch.

But let's make one thing clear. In western culture, choosing to get married is handing a loaded gun to your woman and asking her to point it at your head.

From Dalrock's Threatpoint:

In the literature on the economics of the family there has been growing consensus on the need to take bargaining and distribution within marriage seriously. Such models of the family rely on a threat point to determine distribution within the household. The switch to a unilateral divorce regime redistributes power in a marriage, giving power to the person who wants out, and reducing the power previously held by the partner interested in preserving the marriage.

We will, as always, remove whiners and complainers that do nothing to add to the signal while they complain about the noise.

Anybody-- and I mean anybody-- who is so willing to turn on the moderation team after hearing one side of a story from some moron with no clout on this sub-- can just leave right the fuck now. I have no time or patience for anybody looking for a free ride. Looking to come here, learn from the older members who have useful advice- and then turn around and shit on them? No fucking respect.

I just banned close to 30 people. Test me.


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Title [Mod] If you bitch and moan, I'm a throw you out.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 369
Comments 219
Date 05 November 2015 09:14 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/37877
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3rogkh/mod_if_you_bitch_and_moan_im_a_throw_you_out/
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[–]ColdEiric207 points208 points  (49 children) | Copy

Who would want to be in a group, which doesn't expel those who ruin the group?

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT131 points132 points  (17 children) | Copy

I used to run a community focused on intelligent conversation, and I made the naive mistake of NOT enforcing rules and censorship. I figured that intelligent people would be able to sort it out amongst themselves.

I was wrong. There's something called the Evaporative Cooling Effect that you have to worry about. People in a group aren't all equally valuable. Some people contribute more. And these people have options. They have other places to be. You're lucky to have them in the group.

On the other hand, you have the assclowns. The concern trolls, the noobs, the idiots, etc. These people make the high-value people want to leave. And when the high-value people leave, the best conversations dry up. Then the next top-ranking people left behind get bored and they leave too, all that remains in the community is a cesspool of idiots who are so stupid that they don't realize that they're idiots.

Preserving a community's quality is one of the hardest things in the world. It's like tending to a precious garden. You CANNOT afford to be merciful with weeds. They will fuck you up.

Another way of thinking about it is– if you don't decide who you want in your community, and enforce it, the bottom-feeding fuckers will decide it for you– by driving away the golden geese. Who can fly wherever the fuck they want to. And you're left with a pile of shit.

Sorry, I'm a little resentful at my own failure as a community manager. But that's what I've learnt, and the fundamental truth remains true. Serve and protect your best people. This applies whether we're talking about an internet forum or any other organization.

This problem has not been solved at scale, like, ever. Anytime a group begins to get too large, things start to fuck up. The concern trolls and bureaucrats and minimum-effort losers come in and coast along. I've come to believe that it might never be solved, and that the only way is to keep starting new close-knit groups with the highest quality people you know, and have very strict rules about who gets to come in. Sounds elitist? Fuck you, you have to have standards if you want to have something better than what everyone else has.

I believe Ribbonfarm's Gervais Principle is recommended reading somewhere in the sidebar, it addresses this issue.

[–]limit_breaker15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Jesus Christ... You just perfectly described what is happening to today's society.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

not trying to troll... but is this what is happening in today's companies that are booting men who are "sexist" or "offensive" in an effort to keep women?

I mean, thinking objectively, are they percieved as more valuable workers?

[–]limit_breaker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's less that they are seen as "more valuable" and more that the personal making the decision is either: (A) A woman, or (B) Afraid that they will lose their own job if they do not pander to the illogical demands of a woman.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

An excellent comment. You understand the issues involved in managing a large-scale community. I am awarding you a point for this.

This is why we (the mods) serve the most valuable contributors first.

This is why we allow /u/GayLubeOil and /u/Whisper and /u/IllimitableMan to monetize their posts.

This is why we allow Endorsed Contributors to ignore formatting guidelines, and why we afford their opinions greater weight when promoting ideas or resolving conflicts.

When you serve the most valuable members of your community, you do two things:

  1. You incentive those valuable members to stick around.
  2. You incentivize other members of the community to become valuable by improving the quality of their contributions. They get their perks, and you get more good content.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Glad to be of service. I'm just happy to be (and contribute to) anywhere that has quality conversation. I'll take this as a vote of confidence to post more such comments / maybe post a thread or two.

[–]Lanefiger7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have just summed up the biggest reason, IMO, for the collective decline in society. All the rules and safety devices designed to protect the lowest common denominators. I'm not saying "kill all the stupid people", I'm just saying let's remove all the warning devices and rules for protection and let the problem sort itself out.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm saving this. I help run a community myself and have wanted to boot a couple of fuckers for a while now and I have gotten plenty of opposition from other leaders to keep them "because they aren't doing anything wrong". This is some good shit. Thank you.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Glad to be of assistance. If people say "they aren't doing anything wrong", but you recognize that there's something wrong, it's a sign that your community's values aren't adequately articulated. You need to be super precise about what is okay and what is not okay, and why.

Quora used to have a "NO HUMOR" policy. And I initially thought it was harsh. Aren't there funny answers that are entertaining, valuable? But I now understand why they did it. If you allow people to reward funny answers, soon "oh god why" jokes and puns etc start getting to the top, and people start making those minimum-effort jokes to ride the karma train to the top. And so the maximum-effort golden geese think, "fuck it, my effort is not appreciated", and they leave. This is critically hazardous.

(To clarify– funny answers can work IF they manage to be insightful in the process. The critical thing is that there must be insight. Otherwise it becomes fluff, and fluff equals death.)

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

people start making those minimum-effort jokes to ride the karma train to the top

Finally someone explains why the rest of reddit trips over itself to get gold by making awful jokes

[–]ColdEiric6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's why I am happy that the mods are quick to ban people.

[–]holytrpbatman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It always shakes out in the natural herd culling as performed by mother earth. All that's left are the strong, the smart, and the strong AND smart, with one particular class on top of the food chain, and the lower two classes in service roles. Eventually genetic weaknesses become apparent in the ensuing proverbial orgy of human population expansion , and we end up in need of another natural culling.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seems like the mods forgot to give you this: ♂

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

On the other hand, you have the assclowns. The concern trolls, the noobs, the idiots, etc. These people make the high-value people want to leave. And when the high-value people leave, the best conversations dry up. Then the next top-ranking people left behind get bored and they leave too, all that remains in the community is a cesspool of idiots who are so stupid that they don't realize that they're idiots.

I remember two seperate posts by /u/machiavellianred and/or /u/redpillwatchtower making two posts saying explicitly they'd rather ban 100 regular contributors to convince one EC to stay... at first I was shocked.

And then over the next few weeks I started opening threads with at least 100 unique commenters with absolutely no one with a point.

They weren't all bad(of course), but holy shit, were those threads pathetic, and useless. I for one, can imagine why i'd miss the guy who made "nickname game" rather than the clowns who come here to argue about who is more beta and why beta is bad.

[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was in a community a few years ago and I had been involved for a year before I started becoming more active. One of the mods, who was a real loser, disagreed with me and made extremely aggressive personal attacks against me in a thread I had started. I called him out on it, and the other mods actually rounded up on me somewhat rather than chastise this fucker! It put me off seriously being involved in online communities again. Too much stupid power play.

[–]bearslikeham 47 points47 points [recovered] | Copy

Exactly. FPH was an example. The post and comment section were amazing because the mods banned every single obeast or moralfag that tried to ruin the fun of the group.

[–]Huffnagle20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

I miss that sub, it was great! Highly motivational too...

[–]Tobiascawley4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Any replacement subs out there?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I love when they banned it that they made it out as if all of them were nerds and weirdo neckbeards.

When in fact FPH was super upfront about posting pictures and 60% OF THEM WERE WOMEN.

[–]PedroIsWatching15 points16 points  (12 children) | Copy

I really miss FPH. It was the only sub besides TRP and maybe Bodybuilding that was truly about self-improvement through shared experience and community support.

[–]What_The_Shoe13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy

They got banned because they took their shit outside of the sub and started fucking with people on other subs. If they had been a bit smarter and kept to themselves like TRP does, they would undoubtedly still be here.

[–]seanan1gans8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

True, but FPH was a much larger beast than TRP ever will be. They had posts hitting r/all every day, and there was no way they could control everything that happened.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fph never brigaded. What got them banned was a series of events where imgur started removing their photos that were connected to Fph, so in response a guy made a picture called " the hams of imgur" which was a group photo of the imgur staff, which happen to all be obese as hell. Imgur being business partners with reddit, they got them shut down. Thus, slimgur was born.

[–]-TempestofChaos-10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

That was the fun of it. Now we're spread around. Waiting.

Instead of one sub contained, now it's everywhere.

[–]Schrodingersdawg35 points36 points  (2 children) | Copy

There was a fairly large gym in my hometown that removed it's Olympic lifting platforms because cardio bunnies complained about the noise from power cleans and such. Not to be deterred, the powerlifters decided to do their Olympic lifts across the entire gym, such as between the treadmill lines, the yoga room, and next to the water fountains. Management couldn't just revoke all their memberships because they made a sizeable portion of the gym. The guys preferred to stay instead of going to the gym across town because of distance.

The platforms were put back after 3 weeks.

[–]PedroIsWatching19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

For the newbies, this is what "holding frame" in everyday life looks like.

[–]-TempestofChaos-4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shit, talk about agree and emphasize.

[–]MightyTaint0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That story is bullshit and if/when they axe TRP, they'll claim the same thing. FPH was always contained, more so than TRP.

[–]deepfriedcocaine61 points62 points  (9 children) | Copy

Those who ruin the group.

I read the post he's talking about on break this morning and figured some BP dude or SJW was attempting to covertly shitpost until I saw ~90 upvotes. I didn't have enough time to respond with anything more than a downvote, but it's nice to see the mods have been busy.

Concern trolling is an emotional response. It's pointless bitching. Anyone can do that, but "this sucks" it's not an argument, nor a solution. If you want your thoughts to be considered, don't whine—even plenty of anger phase posts do more than that—provide a coherent counter-argument and be prepared to defend or modify it.

And don't get married, especially not because some guy online told you it was your "end goal." This sub is here to inform, not order.

[–]ShounenEgo13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've been in this sub enough time to see some BP briganding you wouldn't believe. -15 points in a few minutes after TRP endorsed user writes a comment.

The vote manipulation is real.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not just here, unless I input something really fucking funny on default subs I will be down voted to shit. Can only assume I'm blacklisted or something.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

The user in question was a classic keyboard jockey and NOT qualified to speak with authority on Red Pill matters. He acted like a prima donna and threw a tantrum when we removed his post. He took our mod action personally.

That is exactly the kind of person who needs to spend more time practicing Red Pill theory. Because anyone who has spent enough time practicing in the field knows that behaving that way IRL will earn you a solid ass-kicking.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

hey, lay off him. he typed 11k characters for you people. 11k!

nevermind that half his posts were removed in various subs, and he had more time in PPD than an RP sub

[–]MightyTaint0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Totally. Breaking frame and throwing a fit is the exact antithesis of TRP.

[–]darkrood4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her: (looking at me one night, having a moment) "darkrood, what makes you decide to make me yours? (joyful tears circling in her eyes, ready for some validating answer)

Me: Well, because this great guy from the internet told me to do so :D

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I suspect that it's advice, not an order.

[–]Kalepsis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for defining the word "troll".

[–]ruse_of_metacarpi70 points71 points  (19 children) | Copy

30 people banned? Hot dam RPS don't fuck around!

Seriously through, I'm a married TRPer and there are many of us on here, but I've had the misfortune of finding TRP too late in the game to have made an informed decision. Also, my generation culture wasn't quite as fucked as younger guys are faced with.

That said, I'd avoid marriage like the plague in this day and age.

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

Advice is always so much more valuable when it comes from somebody who did the opposite. So thanks for writing it out.

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[–]2Archterus8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

And another..100%

[–]What_The_Shoe3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

I fail to see the appeal of marriage; why legally bind yourself to someone who may well fuck you over when you can get the same benefits outside of marriage?

[–]darkrood14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy

tax break on top of a loyal hard-working women you trust plus business connection potentials.

Oh, and fair divorce law.

Many of these ingredients are extinct or restricted in today's Wedding cake.

edit: Can't believe I forget to mention.....uhm there's sex, too.

[–]1james-watson3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

business connection potentials

This is the abdada viewpoint. I don't know what circles he runs in, but in high finance and tech, if you bring women to the negotiating table on any serious deal, you'll get laughed out of the room. It's a boys club all the way down.

Maybe politics? In that there is definitely a pressure to be married and look the part of a traditional family man, but honestly there's dykes taking office everywhere so I don't think that's the case anymore.

I'm a fan of abdada but I don't get his emphasis on marriage as a networking or business tool. I've had the opposite experience. Guys like Richard Branson demonstrate quite clearly that you can be single and wildly successful.

[–]Knownformadness5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe tech but you obviously dont know high finance, JP morgan which I visited last was a bitchfest

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen it more as access to high status men who are married.

basically keeps the wife from keeping the bachelor away from their men, filling their heads with ideas,

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[–]DannyDemotta0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In a way though, that's better to not be like them. Rich Athletes don't want people like themselves as their Agent-- they want assholes, loudmouths, salesmen/lawyer-types. So then when the Agent talks shit to the Owner/Manager, the player can say "Hey, that was my Agent that said all that, not me!" -- but at the same time, they aren't going to get buttfucked on their contract because their Agent is a 'nice guy' and 'just wanted to get the deal done' etc.

You just need to communicate this same stance and convince these people you're highly competent at your job, and are going to get them the best possible deal you can. To their wife, if you need 'help' convincing? Use phrases like "This is going to set your family up for a lifetime", "He's going to be able to work less and vacation more", etc. You can appeal to the man and woman by what you're going to do for them, and deliver; instead of relying on your own relative incompetence, but 'hey! look, I have a wife and kids! pls do business with me?'

(I drive a truck for a living, so take this with a grain of salt)

[–]What_The_Shoe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Undoubtedly that would have made marriage attractive back in the day, but I was talking exclusively about modern marriage. Pretty fucked up.

[–]ruse_of_metacarpi2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not like this in all societies and was not always like this in the current one.

Remember when smoking used to be good for you? Yeah it's like that. Now why would you deliberately give yourself cancer.

Times change and we only tend to see what's in front of us.

I was lucky to find an honorable woman who values family and by whom I have a reasonable expectation of not getting divorce raped. Besides, she has always made more money than me. However, one thing TRP has taught me is ignore AWALT to your own detriment.

Moral of the story is don't give yourself cancer, bud. Smoking is really bad for you.

[–]PIGamer861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't discover RP until after marriage and honestly, my marriage is better now than before. My wife and I agreed on many RP truths before I even knew what RP was. In this day and age, the incentive to get married is far outweighed by the risks but I wouldn't necessarily outright say "Never marry. Ever!" I would strongly caution men to be wary of marriage but I do believe there are women out there that can be trusted to that extent, few and far between as they are.

[–]Dustin_Bromain0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

30 people banned from one post? What post was it?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

Didnt see the thread but law 19 comes to mind. This is the red pill. Kill your ego and come here to learn.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kill your ego and come here to learn.

This can not be said enough.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP59 points60 points  (8 children) | Copy

Good stuff.

Rational, level-headed thought was downvoted badly in that thread. None of those you ban will be missed. In the same way that TRP offers help... you can lead the horse to water... can't make them drink.

However you can send the horse packing.

[–]limit_breaker4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or you can drown it, and put it out of it's misery. :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Not gonna lie, after reading this I still don't understand what "concern trolling" means. Would be grateful if someone could define precisely what they mean

[–]2IVIaskerade10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

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[–]the_Milkweed-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I look at it this way, if there is something that doesn't align with my belief system here, I ignore it. As in if I am curious I'll look into it more but either way I just brush it off. Concern trolling is allowing your emotions to control your actions.

> This doesn't make me feel good! I must comment on it

Just fuck off if you don't have a healthy alternative.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW168 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's nothing I hate more than concern trolling. I used to feel compelled to call out people who concern trolled about the "tone" or "direction" or "new membership" of TRP. I explained how important it is to provide the high quality content one wishes to see. Contribute, don't just bitch. No more. Now I just hit that handy dandy report button and give my reason. There are not enough hours in the day to educate every dude that has a feel and taps it into his computer.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Now I just hit that handy dandy report button and give my reason.

Thanks for your contribution- the report button is more useful than anyone realizes.

[–]_DouglasQuaid_7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a great move mods. I support this 100%. As I am married, I'll never recommend marriage to ANYBODY. I married when I was beta, swallowed RP, wished for a time machine, but it didn't happen.

Marriage is the ultimate beta move; plain and simple. You lose freedom, you lose choices, and you lose yourself. Marriage is a modern day prison where idiots like to put themselves. Anyone to defend that notion need to re-digest what TRP is all about.

[–]1Snivellious22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is why I come back to TRP.

There are lots of places to talk about this stuff - blogs with one 'expert', forums with thousands of people commenting, and everything in between.

What makes TRP great? It gets a diversity of views, and community information sharing, without all the stupid. It's a forum without all the pointless flame wars and ignorance masquerading as knowledge. And it's only that way because the moderation is aggressive and unapologetic.

Keep on banning, and don't ever apologize. It's what keeps this place running.

[–]PIGamer862 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

IMO there are maybe a dozen subreddits that aren't moderated poorly, this sub being one of them.

[–]1Snivellious2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's pretty much my feeling.

Aside from the subs too small to need moderation, it's basically this, AskScience/AskHistory, and a handful of others with mods who don't feel like they have to approve every idiot who comments.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is usually the sub I have few things to ever say in.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (29 children) | Copy

Was wondering when this was coming, lol.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 47 points48 points  (28 children) | Copy

I don't know if I was totally clear, but having aspirations of family life and long term relationships isn't bad.

The part we take exception to is the legal contract which hands a loaded gun to your wife and asks her not to use it. (But gives her cash prizes if she does).

LTR talk, and people who are already married (like mrp), this conversation is entirely on topic- we're not shunning it.

But anybody recommending marriage is strictly not TRP.

[–]RedNakedTruth14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

These kind of posts actually DO have their place here.

They are, in fact, fuckwad bait. Just place it, wait for all the little fuckwads to bite, then neatly fold and throw away whole.

[–]MortalSisyphus 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

People should also keep in mind that common-law marriage can dilute the distinction quite a bit.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Common law marriage only exists in a 9 states in the US and Washington DC.


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

and Canada. that whole other country you guys seem to forget about

[–]Squeezymypenisy2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I imagine those laws will be expanded and even added in other states if people cohabitate instead of marrying. I think a new rule should be never cohabit a home.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, common law marriage laws and anything else that extracts money from men for getting into sexual relationships with women will be expanded.

it's why you see more and more men getting into relationships with women, but keeping their own places and their own finances.

The bottom line is: Men want to fuck women. Women want to get what they can from men in exchange for giving up sex -- whether that "something" is validation, affirmation, bragging rights, financial support, commitment, or whatever. These things aren't going to change -- men and women will fuck each other. Men will try to get out of "paying". Women will find newer and more creative ways of making men "pay". Men will find newer and more creative ways of getting sex without "paying", or "paying" as little as possible.

In short, that cycle is what you're seeing. Game, PUA, TRP -- all of it is geared to getting men sex as cheaply, quickly and efficiently as possible. If that can be done with women's cooperation, so much the better. If it must be at women's expense, so be it. Feminism, sex pozzie, traditional conservatism, neoconservatism, the feminine imperative -- all of it is geared to making sure that when women give up sex, they get what they want in return for it. If that can be done with men's cooperation, so much the better. If that must be at men's expense, so be it.

Women expect to "get something" in return for sex. And they'll find ways to get what they want.

Common law marriage and its return and expansion is one way of "making men pay". Because that's viewed as "fair". It's not "fair" that a man should get sex and not have to "pay" for it.

The law is catching up to men's responses to punitive marriage laws. The law will find ways to make men pay for their sexual relationships. How men "pay" is another matter entirely: most men "pay" with money. Some men "pay" with reputation (Patrick Kane. The NFL player who got selfied with some slut who took his picture while he was dozing.). Some men "pay" by having to validate emotions and feelings.

But you'll pay. One way or another.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Game, PUA, TRP -- all of it is geared to getting men sex as cheaply, quickly and efficiently as possible.

And prostitution, man, don't forget prostitution. In most democratic countries, it is even legal (although feminists want to change that, as well).

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you read the sidebar, it's pretty clear.

Could care less about his post, beta validation behaviours like that just tell me the advice was mental masturbation. Id rather learn from someone better than me. Blind leading the blind would be a waste of trp

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[–]dons905 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a common mistake really, I rarely see anyone correctly type it. That being said, it bugs the fk out of me every single time.

[–]Knownformadness2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Marriage laws arent all the same and TRP is bigger than just the US.

[–]roboczar-1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy

Marriage is fine as long as you go in with both eyes open. Ironclad prenup, separate assets, etc. Combining living expenses plus tax bens has done more for my TNW growth than anything else I've ever done. Get a good wealth manager (offshore what you don't want her to ever have) and a lawyer and you will be laughing all the way to the bank.

[–]IRC Mod-Anteros-8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

No, its not fine. Advocating for marriage is not aligned with TRP. Get that through your thick skull.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Make a post about how to use women in marriage that accounts for the extreme risk involved. Without outlining exactly how the male sexual imperative is strengthened, promoting marriage "just if you know how 2 do it rite lol" is overt violence to men. If you have something worthy to share, do so.

[–]roboczar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think 99.9% of guys won't be able to pull it off. I shouldn't have even mentioned it, because it assumes too much about lifestyle and access to professionals.

If you can't afford professionals to help you and get you the best deal in the prenup and asset protection, getting married is too much of a risk, unless you're exceptionally smart about it.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ironclad prenup

theres arguable no such thing anymore. too many getting thrown out because of signing under 'duress'

either way, it doesn't sound like a great plan to have to dance like a monkey in order to get a girl in the house

[–]roboczar-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'd like to see her break my Belize and Cook island trusts. That would be amazing. Or somehow get control of my LLC. Lol.

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You could have substituted Belize and Cook Island with Switzerland not 10 years ago, and how is that working out for people? Remember, the US Gov't is the most powerful entity in the history of mankind, and it is a coke addict when it comes to money. Fun thought - how much cocaine could a coke addict do? The answer - ALL OF IT. I'm not trying to shit in your cereal, I'm just reminding you that true safety is an illusion.

[–]roboczar0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is what I pay my wealth manager five figures for; to manage my risk and keep my assets safe. If he has to move the money out of Cook and somewhere else, so be it. I trust him to do that and the fiduciary responsibility clause in the contract guarantees it. There are hundreds of ways to manage this; I'm just using the highest value offshores available at the current time.

I haven't really discussed renouncing citizenship since my TNW is low end in terms of the other fish out there, and a citizenship change is expensive, but if worse comes to worst, Singapore is waiting for me with open arms.

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Smart man. Like I said, you just came off a little cocksure and I wanted to remind you, memento mori.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If your lawyer gives you the OK, who am I to disagree?

[–]havelbrandybuck11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing wrong with deleting posts as long as it doesn't delete alternative views with supported reasoning.

[–]Sdom16 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I remember when I lived at home with my parents, if I complained about my dad's rules he would tell me:

"You live here for free. I pay for everything. If you live in my house and off my money, you live by my rules. If you don't like it, get the fuck out and pay your own freight."

I look at this place like that. I don't pay to post or read here. I'm not an essential contributor by any means. So, I'll obey the rules or leave. Those are my choices, it's binary. I am used to male authority, though, which has really gone by the wayside the last 30 or so years.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have a personal strategy to deal with the signal to noise ratio problem. /u/NightwingTRP told me to share it with others, so I did:


In order to optimize my time here, I added all the all the Vanguard RedPillers, Endorsed Contributors and Modetators as friends on Reddit. Now, when I log in, instead of going to the front page, I click on that "Friends" link and read only what these wise guys have posted. By doing this I turned my "Friends" page into a high quality "front page" of selected material.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's always people who contribute very little to nothing of value, who will engage in concern trolling.

I personally can especially get enraged over dumbfucks who, in an AWALT post, start a novel about what has become of this sub and that the quality of content is decreasing, while they didn't make a single valuable top-level post on their own.

If you think that this sub needs new impulses or anything you consider to be “good stuff“, either lead by example or just simply keep your mouth shut.

Either that or just quietly go and fuck yourself. Nobody will miss you. Seriously.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. It's called "picking up the slack" not sitting there bitching about it.

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it's not on the sidebar for... reasons.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Google exists.

"Married Redpill" sexual strategy for men in marriage and long term relationships

We are there and you will find that our position is the same as RPS- marriage is a BAD IDEA because it is the same as giving your woman a gun to point at your head. As the icing on the cake this transfer of power also kills the sexual attraction she had for you.

If you ignore our advice and experience and get married or LTR'd down and find yourself in a Deadbedroom we can probably help you over at MRP, but...just don't.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We are well aware of that problem. Just don't bitch and moan to RPS about it :)

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A mod might come along, but there was a thread in that sub that the mods of both had disagreements over some items. It was left at that. You can still tell married dudes to go there. I use it for occasional ltr advice.

[–]teeelo-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Isn't there a link in the sidebar to that sub?

[–]What_The_Shoe-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Dude. Try looking at the sidebar. Seriously.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

it's not there. different visions, same ideal.

[–]What_The_Shoe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I know. I told him to look at the sidebar because it isn't there.

[–]teeelo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was on mobile so it wasn't readily available. I'll check later.

It used to be there, there were links to several of the TRP themed subreddits

[–]kellykebab2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

running a muck

Heh heh

No but seriously, nice job mods

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

running a muck

Good catch. I'll fix.

[–]HappyHerpes2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

So if somebody comes in here recommending marriage as a successful life strategy, we need to really consider whether that's advice we want passed around as "TRP" advice.

I was just thinking about posting about marriage. From a different point of view. I am german. I know this is an american site, but I found the CORE of RP to apply everywhere and It did help me out greatly in my relationships. The nature of women does not change.

However circumstances do change. I am right now considering marriage. Because it * Gives my girlfriend (met her on russiancupid.com) a permanent visa * would save me 600€ in taxes each month. Marriage in the US seems to be insane from what I read here. So I totally understand you not going into that. But don't forget that the US is not the only country in the world. Let me give you a short overview of how things are on the other side of the atlantic. I still haven't talked to a lawyer yet, so there might be some errors but let me give you the rough overview.

Basicly you have two extremes. A marriage contract can be anywhere in between.

Zugewinngemeinschaft (Gain-Community)

The traditional and default model. All gains belong to both partners. In the case of divorce these will be split 50/50. However only gains during marriage count. So your house that you had before the marriage stays with you.

Inheritance you receive during marriage also stays with you. It's a bit more complicated than that. For example if the inherited property raises in value the raise is counted as a gain.

Gütertrennung (Separation of Goods)

In this model no sharing happens. To make this clear it is advised to have different Bank-Accounts. So it's clear who bought what. This model makes things easy when both partners are working.


If you father a child, you have to pay. A lot. If you were married or not does not matter. A contract can not change this either. Condoms are your friend here.

Right now It looks like I will choose the classical model, maybe with some small changes. The Idea is to set this up in a way, that * Creates good incentives to make things work out fine * ends up in a favorable position for me if things go south after 3Months/1Year/5Years....

Right now I am enjoying a loving girl with the added benefits of dinner and clean flat and clothes when I come fome from work. And I want to keep this going.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

She gets citizenship. and you get sex because of it right?

ever read on covert contracts? That is not a healthy way to start

[–]HappyHerpes0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Yes, she gets citizenship. We are both getting sex cause its fun.

If the attractions dies, we both go our way. Nothing covert about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I've had a few coworkers who picked up Russian wines over the years.

Only one still has his. The rest was 3 years, and I'm guessing that's when citizenship was established... Coincidence, they just happened to have problems around that time I guess.

Sample size is 3, so I won't say I'm an expert, but it would be in my mind

[–]darkrood1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

No, what you describe are the same with Asian bride as well.

Heck, for the one who already has green card, she can size you up and then divorce rape you in 3 months. it happened to my 60 years old neighbor who finally married his "high-school sweetheart" from Vietnam.

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I've had two bosses with Russians, and a coworker with a Japanese girl.

The one success didn't mail order though, he met her in Dubai at the rock bottom, and flew back and forth for a bit.

I assume working ex pats are different than mail orders.

[–]darkrood 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

How long were their marriages? Divorce rape is actually quite common in Japan when the hubby is 50s and got cleaned up in the bank.

Heck, not all marriage are good, and not all marriage are bad. It's just sickening that many people downplay the bad side.

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OB's was still going strong, almost two decades.

Janos lasted about a year into them actually living together, but they were LDR engaged for maybe 4?

And (can't remember his name ATM) was LDR for maybe 4 years, married 3 more after that, but I remmeber when he'd come on watch, it was constant complaining about her, so it died pretty quickly, luckily he sent a lot of money back to her family, and paid for her immigration, so at least he's a 'good husband' /s

[–]we_need_more_lumber2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you mods for the work you do to keep this place in line. This isn't democracy and even tho everyone is allowed to have an opinion, not everyone is allowed to enforce that opinion wherever they'd like.

[–]masnera2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the only place where i have found logic piercing through layers of nonsense and lies the reality has created, where i have found that I'm not the only ONE. I'll be for ever in debt here, and will shut the fuck up if i have nothing else to contribute.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hear hear! Keep up the great work moderation team. Your efforts are truely appreciated - I and so many others would not be the same without the sub. Long may it continue

[–]juliusstreicher2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

So, when you say "test me", does that mean...

No, just joking. Thank you for the great modding and censorship. Assholes who whine about the work you are doing to keep the sub on point deserve to be banned, and punched in the balls, as well.

Thanks again.

[–]PIGamer862 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How do you distinguish between concern trolling, curiosity, and ignorance?

[–]HellbillyDeluxe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe the discussion of sexual strategy with marriage included in it is important. I myself am a happliy married man, and have found family life to be much more rewarding than my previous life of philandering. However I am older than your average user of this sub, femanazis and tinderellas were no where near as rampant in my generation. As well I chose my First Mate wisely, and made it clear to her that that is her role in our family before we tied the knot. Although not in those same terms. As well I take care of everything non domestic, and I mean all decisions. I make sure our family goes to church and has a strong base in tradtion, as well as pointing out the pitfalls of modern society. I am the breadwinner with a professional career, although my wife is also highly educated. I lift four days a week. I hunt, and am a part of a lodge in which we have man time often. You can have a succesful marriage and family if you are the Captain of your ship, and roles are clear. Marriage today is far more riskier than it has ever been but there are benefits if you want a solid life partner, a strong family foundation for your offspring, and carrer/social benefits which are supported by many studies. That being said a married man has to always remember AWALT, Keep his SMV high, and most importantly fuck the shit out of his wife regularly. Yes it is TRP on hard, but hey were Alphas right? Talking about marriage as if it will never happen to anyone, has no benefits,and is not the norm in our culutre is in my opinion not beneficial to men looking to improve in one way or another. I realize marriage is not for everyone, and that for today's generation it is a minefield where divorce rape is common, but in my opinion we should talk about it here both the positives and negatives. You can be live tRP in many differnt ways. I appalud the mods for removing whiny bullshit concern troll posts. I just hope there is still room in the red pill for all Alphas not only if they're the James Bond type,but also for the father knows best types.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is incredibly refreshing.

Respect to you guys, you're on the ball.

[–]RedLavaLamp4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Works for me. Keep up the good work.

[–]Reaiser6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

It seems to me like this thread is right on point with what TRP is all about. We are men and we thrive on being our better selves. Bitching about an authority figure on how we feel wronged is not how a man handles things. You didn't succeed the first time.. Understand why and then try again.

He broke frame. He knew the rules. Keep up the good work mods.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bitching about an authority figure on how we feel wronged is not how a man handles things.

I actually mentioned this in the thread itself. My comment was downvoted and attacked by a couple of whiny betas. Banning is the only solution for such weak creatures.

[–]1james-watson7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ha this was the "this is how you get married, you're not a man if you don't get married or have kids, quit being pussies and man up and marry them hoes" guy?

I made my opinion of his views very clear: getting married is like becoming a professional russian roulette player. It's not a guaranteed death sentence, but it's playing with your life for sure.

I was concerned that TRP was drifting from its principles, but I'm glad now that we're back on course.

There is no rational reason to get married for a modern man, and a million rational reasons to avoid marriage. Pretty clear if you want to make the smart choice.

[–]dons901 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ha this was the "this is how you get married, you're not a man if you don't get married or have kids, quit being pussies and man up and marry them hoes" guy?

Oh wow that's what he was saying? To hell with that LOL.

[–]FeeFeeFeaster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ha this was the "this is how you get married, you're not a man if you don't get married or have kids, quit being pussies and man up and marry them hoes" guy?

Yes. I got in after the post content was removed but all the comments were still there. By that time it was a complete shitshow and all I could do was downvote.

That guy was running around in the thread telling everybody to marry & have kids as your only "end goal" in life. He was saying not marrying as an alternative to that Disney wife & kids, cul-de-sac, picket fence bullshit was Blue Pill. I couldn't believe was I was seeing.

[–]Squeezymypenisy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The guy's post basically said if you don't have children and marry then you are not a man. It was a big fuck you to those who chose to remain childless. Instead of creating discussion he simply took a stance and told everyone they were wrong no matter what. He should have said here are my views and let's see what you guys think. He could have been way more diplomatic, the second rant post he made was completely unecessary.

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What is this?

[–]ledditor_13371 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Checking to see if I'm not B&.

Just kidding. Do what you need to make this place work.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have a personal strategy to deal with the signal to noise ratio problem. /u/NightwingTRP told me to share it with others, so I did:


In order to optimize my time here, I added all the all the Vanguard RedPillers, Endorsed Contributors and Modetators as friends on Reddit. Now, when I log in, instead of going to the front page, I click on that "Friends" link and read only what these wise guys have posted. By doing this I turned my "Friends" page into a high quality "front page" of selected material.

[–]Enjoyitbeforeitsover1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Big fucking thanks to the mods. You guys deal with a lot of shit to keep this sub top notch.

[–]Rougepellet2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do people think this is some kind of SJW style safe place? There's a hierarchy in here, no fucking shit. A fresh subscriber is not equal to the older, wiser, more experienced members. Certainly not to the mod team or the founder either. There's a reason you are advised to shut the fuck up, read the side bar and top posts, and lurk when you are new.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just banned close to 30 people. Test me.


[–]1R_E_D_11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for your work. I love this place and appreciate the fuck out of the information I've received as a result of it.

[–]chrisindub2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

1) Totally confused about what concern trolling is, yes I live under a rock.

2) If you don't hear the opposing side and have a dialogue with those who think having a strong family with two parents is a good thing, you risk becoming a circularly shaped ring of masturbation and chamber of repeating sounds like r/politics

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's a difference between testing your world views with alternative ideas, (which you should always do), and letting a forum with a very specific topic veer off course.

[–]DeityAmongMortals4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

I fear that this will lead to a lesser diversity of ideas. What precautions are being taken to prevent this rule from being applied to someone we disagree with? How do we differentiate between complaining / trolling and genuine new ideas, or ones which challenge the status quo. The search for truth means filtering through some bullshit, this is something I happily accept. I fear this may be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a difference between disagreeing with the right approach and disagreeing with the concept and praexology of Red Pill.

If you don't think the guy should keylog her account because you don't think she is cheating then speak up. If you don't think that women cheat or you feel sorry for the cheating whore then fuck off.

The line is not a blurry one. Take your anti-red pill concern trolling to PPD and out of TRP. No problem.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

If you have a pancake recipe, and everyone is talking hash browns, then its not new ideas, it's completely outside scope

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you present an idea that uses our agreed premises but comes to a different conclusion, then there's an interesting discussion to be had.

If you come in assuming blank slateism and arguing about why we're sexist, you're out of here.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Our premise is a AWALT and the only real power the man has, is walking away and removing his commitment. Please tell me how recommending marriage is not the opposite. And tell me, which benefits the man gets out of a marriage.

Everyone that can't see this should stick to reading the sidebar instead of giving advice to others in a redpill forum.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pft. I've unsubbed from 99% of reddit because of worries over that fucking up an interest.

It's shit, it's been shit for a long time. If a power trip happens, I'm out of here, until then, I'd rather risk losing a time waster in between sets of squats, toilet time, or slow times at work then losing another interest because of banal children pretending to give a shit about free speech.

[–]juliusstreicher1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn straight. Along those lines, I don't need fucking diversity. I need facts about RP, not a fucking U.N.

[–]sir_wankalot_here1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well ultimately, getting married is a personal choice, you can do it or don't. It's your life.

Exactly. Evangalists piss me off, there are many ways to skin a cat.

[–]ShounenEgo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Them: "But we should be free to discuss our contradictory to the sub role's opinions".

Me: "Yes, you are. Somewhere else".

At least they didn't appealed to their right to free speech (or did they?).

[–]killking722 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dicks were laid out on a table. Guess whose was larger.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also feel free to come down off of that high horse of yours. You aren't some super badass because you're a moderator.

Yes I am.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This will be incredibly difficult to do with a Hillary Clinton led election season

[–]leredditaccounts0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Question, what does banning actually do? Stop you from submitting comments and posts?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yup, but you can still read.

[–]leredditaccounts1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

After reading the people in this thread who said his post was calling people beta if they didn't get married, I am now suddenly less disappointed I missed it. It would have been nice to preserve the post, even just for the sake of showing it here during the controversy.

[–]redestofthereds1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

check the ppd sub. It's a looooong ass title post.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you can get the archive version if you have the original source bar.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In my opinion, I don't really care too much but probably because I don't post much here anyway. A lot of us will say stupid things and people will be there to help correct you. Besides your house your rules and if people don't like it they can leave. This isn't censorship, this is just you or a group of you, putting your own house in order which if I recall is a Red Pill Principle.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ENFORCE archive.today linking again!

I do NOT want to link to click thru to other websites - can we PLEASE return to enforcing the no linking rules? (ie; archived pages only)

[–]illmatic7080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"wittle posty" yep i enjoyed that part

[–]Jrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well damn a lost opportunity to rant against marriage.

Perhaps, in the interest of transparency (a show of strength and integrity), have an archive or subreddit that holds deleted posts.

Moderating is fucking hard. Low value people give a community value the rest of the world, high value people give value to the community itself.

[–]BramRhodesDouglas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Watch and learn gentlemen. This is holding frame 101 and textbook Red Pill material that we can all learn from. The mods have simply held frame. Bitching from whiners ensued.

[–]evilquesadilla 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm lucky that I saw my own parents' marriage disintegrate, and I learned from it. So I'm on board with TRP for myself. But I think for some people there is enough reason to get married and worth the risk to play the Russian Roulette.

Society asks why you're not married. But really it should be the other way around, you should have a pretty damn good answer to why you want to get married.

But I do voice my disagreements with the popular TRP views on certain things, like the whole virgin thing, the single-mom thing, and I believe the n-count is blown out of proportion.

But, I'm not banned, yet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The ones who still wanna play a less fun version of Russian Roulette(aka marriage) are just those who got TOO indocrinated by society,thats all.

I'd rather play with a real gun than with marriage...

[–]Scizzler1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well said. I feel strongly that we shouldn't be promoting marriage in any way, shape or form. A good percentage of people that are married, have been married or would have been married are exactly the people that need trp. It should always be clear that trp is the opposite of what modern marriage is and that marriage should be avoided at all costs.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I thank you for your tireless effort not to turn this subreddit into a meme white bitch shitshow.

thank you.

[–]prodigy2throw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The fact that mods are actually taking the time to review posts on a case by case basis to see if it fits the intended goals of the sub is pretty damn awesome.

Thanks for not letting this place turn into a shit show like the MRA and seduction subs

[–]1KissTheBridesmaid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks mods! That post felt like the classic ‘shaming me into marriage’ tactic that I experience all the fucking time as a 35 year old dude. I was wondering what it was doing here.

[–]OhAndOneMoreThing0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I honestly thought this thread was going to be about hard nexting women as soon as they start complaining.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can still do that. It's a good demonstration of abundance mentality. Ultimately, any individual woman does not matter and it's your choice whether you have the patience to tolerate her shit in order to put your penis in her. Sometimes the trade simply isn't worth the effort.

[–]verify_account0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you! I read the post in question now and thought, wow, this is consider RP now... I guess I'm just a shitlord for wanting to spin plates.

[–]venusmylove0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Complaining about whiners and complainers, what's the signal to noise ratio here? Am I right when it appears that instead of viewing the value, and logic, of the deleted post the mod(s) instead allowed emotion to rule a decision on the validity of the post?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Moderators not only have the privilege but the responsibility to address user behaviors and enforcement of the rules. You are either an idiot or a troll.

[–]mooseman44 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Kick you the KERB, not curb you cretin.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I found the brit

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

slow clap Bravo! Less bitching and more doing. Time is precious enough without idiots wasting it complaining.

[–]DroppinHadjisLandR-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

So his post is in the trash bucket and it will never see the light of day no matter how good it might have been.

You won't repost it as your own. No balls

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It would be a disservice to my name to associate with a pro-marriage post!

[–]aga080-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

hell yeah one of the best things ive read in a while

thank you mod team.

[–]dons90-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just banned close to 30 people. Test me.

Damn.... mods going ham af.


[–]therealblaine-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Anyone have a link to the nuked thread? I sure would like to know exactly what the details were before taking sides, although my gut reaction is to request a ban out of protest. Let the voting system handle it, no need for censorship.

[–]darkrood3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

maybe a tab labeled "junkyard" where we can see how bad some stupid posts are?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was AMERICA.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bring the ban hammer, but as soon as you start calling it "Benned" and posting pictures of dildo's spelling it out. I'm out man.

[–]Knownformadness-5 points-4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Whats up with all the swearing. Swearing is for people with a small vocabulary.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Swearing is for people with a small vocabulary.


[–]sourpuss_ashkenazi-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ironic considering the original post was about preventing lowering the tone.

[–]csehszlovakze 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

No. Swearing is the best part of a language and it has been turned into an art in Eastern Europe.

[–]Knownformadness2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Slavs are not known for their vocabulary, cyka

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is factually inaccurate. 2:25 in particular is a rather interesting use of vocabulary.

[–]ColdEiric-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have not understood everything of that point yet, if you can't explain further why 'swearing is for people with a small vocabulary.' Go fuck yourself, if you are unable to give us the long explanation why.

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[–]kombatunit-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a throw you out.

Nice Engrish.

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