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Real teenagers are great practice for 'virtual' teenagers

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November 7, 2015

Introduction: It's common knowledge that women are the most responsible teenagers in the room. Interacting with real teens (or even 'tweens') is a great way to practice dealing with them.

Body: I am a single Dad. Before I was married, I was Red Pill (lite) long before that was a thing. After years of serial monogamy I knocked one up, got married, she cheated, got divorced and here I am. On paper we have shared custody, but in reality my daughter is with me full time. Now I'm back to my old ways (to a point) and incorporating some the things I read here.

Parenting is all about holding frame. A quick command in 'Dad voice' gets immediate attention. A whistle and she comes right away or at least a 'Just a minute' acknowledgement. She gets to make many choices but I always have veto and indecisiveness means I decide and that's that.

Agree and amplify is the grownup version of what I call Troll Dad.

  • "I'm hungry!" "Hi Hungry, I'm Dad."
  • "There's nothing to eat." "You mean there's nothing you want to eat (or want to cook)."
  • "You're so mean." "No, mean would be changing the Wifi & Netflix passwords."

I realize most guys here don't have kids (smart move) but that doesn't mean you don't have access to them. Spend some time with your neices or cousins, coach or mentor, be creative.

Conclusion: Beg/borrow/steal some kids and get busy shaping young minds. Women really are children, maybe you can help prevent the next wave and learn something in the process.

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Title Real teenagers are great practice for 'virtual' teenagers
Author pluvoaz
Upvotes 675
Comments 109
Date 07 November 2015 11:54 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/37937
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3ry4wz/real_teenagers_are_great_practice_for_virtual/
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[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB252 points253 points  (18 children) | Copy

This post is going to get torn to shreds by our detractors, but I up-voted it because it actually does ring true. There isn't too much a difference between a 15 year old girl or a 25 year old girl; they're all one in the same. (Although the 25 year old might be more entitled than the 15 year old.)

[–][deleted] 184 points185 points  (12 children) | Copy

Downvoting a thread because it makes the red pill look bad is insane. I don't come to TRP to suck up to blue pill. We don't need to be the good guys. We aren't now and we never will be.

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[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (8 children) | Copy

And the MRM confirmed it. They're so politically correct nowadays that they're barely even manosphere. Feminists still think they're all rapists. Pandering does NOTHING for a group's image but it absolutely ruins the group.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (6 children) | Copy

Meanwhile they scream "kill all men" and get away with it

[–]reddymcwoody[🍰] 35 points36 points  (5 children) | Copy

Who cares what they scream. They scream at anything and everything, from twilight to Dr.Who. They're just teenagers who haven't grown up.

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[–]reddymcwoody[🍰] 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

You see your honor, the answer is simple, we just kill all men.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Kill all humans" "Cheese it!"

  • Bender

[–]muslmssck1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then we have to kill the courts.

[–]ECoast_Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I side with GLO amongst others. Over at PPD I've said it dozens of times.

It is a huge strength that we don't tone police like the rest of the fags on Reddit. Fuck pandering, that's what losers do and I wouldn't even come to this sub if it became a tone-policed version.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

So, hold frame to the bluebies

[–]Thewinsomeserpent7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

The thread is actually doing rather well.

[–]fasterpussycatdie19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

This post is going to get torn to shreds by our detractors, but I up-voted it because it actually does ring true.

This post is accurate as fuck actually. It is never more apparent that AWALT when you have one and realize rather quickly that women are the way they are right out of the chute.

There isn't too much a difference between a 15 year old girl or a 25 35 45 55 95 year old girl.


[–]1PrinceofSpades5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Noticed this at my university graduation for the first time when my grandma got too drunk over some champagne bottles with the family and was acting no different, in any way, compared to some 18 year old I had hooked up with earlier that year from a random house party.


[–]Jojobelle[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is absolutely true. My ltr is 26 but shows traits of being 5 years old. She knows exactly what she is doing and I give her a knowing glance and the behind her eyes I can see she knows she is being a child but society allows her this. Shes doesn't fuck with me like a Spoilt child but she would if she could

[–]RacialRealism-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

One in the same besides the fact being around a 15 year old girl will raise a lot of eyebrows and probably get you pegged as a paedophile. I'm going against OP here. I highly discourage interacting with women under 18.

[–]CaptainGloom77 points78 points  (41 children) | Copy

I believe you're mostly right. I have a friend who was raised by a single dad and she doesn't display much typical female stupidity

[–][deleted] 143 points144 points  (37 children) | Copy

Single mother statistics are NOT single parent statistics. Dads do fine.

[–]gmflag90 points91 points  (1 child) | Copy

THIS. In my pediatrics rotation, of the single parents bringing in kids, which ones were the most behaved? The single dads' kids.

Single moms just can't control their kids for whatever reason, unless their is a strong parental involvement of the dad.

[–]RocketManV87 points88 points  (0 children) | Copy

Heard in TRPWomen: Single mothers are ewww, single fathers are awww.

[–]magus67810 points11 points  (31 children) | Copy

Not that I doubt the truth of it, but are there any actual statistics for that anywhere?

It's something I really hadn't ever thought of but now that I think about it, it makes sense.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (30 children) | Copy

Here's everything wrong with single mothers



Here's some stats that compare single mother to married parents and some that just measure whether or not there's a father around:


What actually impresses me more is that I can't find any stats showing the benefits of an involved mother.

Here single fathers will keep you out of poverty:


and they'll do it despite the mother being more likely to stiff them on child support:


And then there's all the shit that isn't statistics that nobody'll give you stats on such as the tendency of single mothers to create betas and sluts whereas men actually know how to lead.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (13 children) | Copy

You did some good work putting this together man. It's amazing how the stats show fathers are seemingly far MORE important (discipline goes a lot further than coddling in the long run), but that nobody wants to put 2 + 2 together. In fact they do mental gymnastics to avoid it and "prove" the opposite.

[–]bluedrygrass30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

discipline goes a lot further than coddling in the long run

It isn't even that, single mothers aren't lovely toward their childrens, too much stressed out by the absence of a male figure on which unload responsibilities, worries, and whatnot. Single mothers are often abusive, and it's why they almost always raise absolute betas if males and absolute sluts if females.

[–]Ripred0190 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

I hate to rain on your parade, but if you look at the actual statistics, school performance is about equal for kids who grew up in single mother and single father households. The fathers, however, earn way more money. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/248527611_The_School_Performance_of_Children_from_Single-Mother_and_Single-Father_Families

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

Lol you zeroed in on one specific stat and concluded they're equal? Because of school performance? Lmao how arbitrary.

Single mothers raise the most pedophiles, rapists, addicts, and runaways. It is a better predictor of it than race.

Women get custody more often, despite fathers been proven to have a more positive impact on the child's life when compared to mothers. http://brandongaille.com/19-compelling-motherless-children-statistics/ https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/ Not only that, but fathers are more likely to keep the child out of poverty, DESPITE being far more likely to be stiffed by the mother on child support. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/07/02/the-rise-of-single-fathers/ http://www.census.gov/people/childsupport/data/files/chldsu11.pdf

[–]Ripred019-2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy

1) Men are not "far more likely to be stiffed". If you look at the actual statistics in the census report that you're citing, women receive 63% of what they are due, men receive 55%. It's a difference, but not that big.

2) Single fathers ($42K-50K) tend to have a significantly higher income than single mothers (~$30K)

3) I've read somewhere that when fathers do fight for custody they get it about 50% of the time so unless you have stats to prove otherwise, I think the fact that women get custody more often just means most men prefer to not get custody.

4) Unless you have some solid statistics showing that "single mothers raise the most pedophiles, rapists, addicts, and runaways," and that the study takes income and education level into account as well as compares to single fathers, I'll assume you're making the correlation-causation fallacy.

If single mothers tend to be poor and unable to give much attention to their child, of course they'll raise more delinquents, on average, than a couple or a single father, if the latter make more money.

As for education being an arbitrary measure of performance, I'll have to disagree with you on that one. You've heard of Maslow's hierarchy of needs? Well creativity, problem solving, and achievement are pretty high up there. School is mainly about those things. If a person's basic needs aren't being met, chances are they're not going to do well.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

And women receive 97% of all post marital aid, and still somehow manage to raise terrible children.

Single fathers often end up working more, and single mothers are often paid for by you and I. If you're not working, you shouldn't be getting more money.

No you guys like to believe in this just-world shit where men COULD get custody, they just don't waaant it. They WANT to give up their house to their ex wife, pay her alimony and child support and live in a one bedroom apartment, totally sounds good to me.

Before you start crying, everything she said was completely sourced and cited. http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/ann-coulter-on-single-mothers-the-statistics-from-guilty/

[–]Ripred0190 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Man, once again, even Ann Coulter doesn't really distinguish between single mother and single parent households. They're basically the same in terms of outcomes for the children.

The courts are biased in the favor of the mother, yes, but not just because she's a woman. 1) The person that tends to take care of the kids tends to get custody. Since men are usually the bread winners, and women take care of the kids, women tend to get custody. 2) The person that tends to make more money tends to pay alimony and child support. Once again, that's usually the guy.

No, it's not a "just-world," fuck that shit. Frankly, I don't think alimony should be a thing except MAYBE for a few years IF the couple had been married for a long time. I might put it at one year of alimony for every four years of marriage or something like that.

I know a man who got screwed and keeps getting continuously screwed by his divorce so you don't have to tell me how fucked up it is.

The problem I have with this situation is what to do. We provide state aid and the children still turn out pretty shit. What if we don't provide state aid? Would they turn out to be even more criminal and shitty? Probably. Frankly, the legalization of abortions has been one thing that has worked well in reducing crime. I think once a safe, reliable, and inexpensive male contraceptive pill is available, we're going to see a much better world.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Dude..... Dude.....

The higher a need is the less important it is.

That's how pyramids work. The base supports the top.

I thought you had some points but this destroys your argument.

[–]Ripred0190 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You're half way there. Yes, the base supports the top. Which means without the base you can't have the top.

This can literally be explained through logic. We agree that the base (p) supports the top (q). So then we can also agree that if the base needs aren't met (~p), then the higher needs won't be achieved either (~q).

So we have ~p -> ~q

The contrapositive of that is q -> p

Meaning if the needs at the top are met, so are the needs at the base (the more important ones).

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

its so fascinating. single fathers are less educated, but better of financially.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dedication, leadership, accountability and loyalty count for more than a sociology degree. Who knew?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

Why do you think Dad's can cover for a Mother' absence but not the reverse?

[–]1pluvoaz[S] 21 points22 points  (7 children) | Copy

I think it comes down to 'feelz vs reelz'.

A few weeks ago one of the cats died unexpectedly. I was at work and my daughter was home by herself. She called and of course I comforted her but explained that there was nothing I could do from work. She called a friend to come over, they put the cat in a box and took it to the dumpster (exactly what I would've done), then she told me she was going to stay the night at her friends and might take the day off school. She ended up going to school because she didn't want her grades to suffer.

This is a perfect example of the guidance I've given her. Crying doesn't solve anything. Handle your business now, cry later.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

I have a thought that if Mothers provide comfort and nurturing and Fathers provide discipline and guidance, it's easier for us to provide comfort and nurturing then it is for Mothers to provide discipline and guidance. No kids so no real experience with it.

Thoughts on that?

[–]TRPhd8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's easier to start "hard" and go "soft", than to start "soft" and then go "hard". Prison guards, cops, parents... they all know it to be true.

[–]xinhoj 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

Teachers too.

Source: many shitty experiences in the classroom before discovering the pill

[–]1AmlanceJockey1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Any insights on in class behavior from products of single parent homes?

[–]1AmlanceJockey6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women can't teach children cause and effect. This is important because its how the world works. Lets say a dad says clean your room and do all your homework and then you can go out, and the dad thinks its too much work to complete before the day is over. If the kid comes back with a cocky attitude to report he finished his chores and is ready to go out, the dad stays true to his word. same scenario with a mom, she FEELS like the attitude the kids cops is an affront to her authority and doesn't let him go out. Teaching the kid that cooperation and integrity don't work.

This is just one example of the many reasons woman cant raise children.

[–]magus6781 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post, much appreciated

[–]razgrim0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Don't care to be the unpopular opinion in a room full of circle-jerking alphas, but the direct comparison data doesn't really drive the single father parent>single mother parent narrative well enough. The only obvious direct comparison data supporting single fatherhood was income/poverty related. Albeit a big deal, but certainly not the sole factor in raising children. Now of course that's a double edged sword, and since that comparison data was most likely brought to you and compiled by a woman, the intent and takeaway from that article is more likely "Woe is single motherhood".

Since family social science is dominated by women, it's unlikely you're going to find any pre-compiled comparison data supporting single fatherhood either.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't care to be the unpopular opinion in a room full of circle-jerking alphas

Oh yeah, we're the circlejerkers.

I brought the best stats that exist and pointed out the comparisons of single mother to two parent. Not my fault that this is all there is. I'd certainly think though, that if single fathers were fucking up then someone in the manhating academy would have told us by now.

[–]philovivero0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh man. I can smell the burning flesh all the way from here.

[–]mrmeyhemn37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

dads>moms, men>women, true in every aspect of life. the few women i know raised by single dads are much better women that women raised by single moms. single moms are shit, daughters of single moms are shit.

the system has it backwards, men are superior parents when given the opportunity.

[–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just imagine all the shit mothers there would be without legal abortions, while the average unmarried man is forced into fatherhood against his will.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why are women raised like that so much more mature than those raised by single moms or even by both parents? Got a friend raised by her dad and she's not full of the bs that other women have.

[–]CaptainGloom21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because children are easy to brainwash and the majority of single dads who keep their kids will be hardened and shocked-sensible men

[–]aRusticSpirit6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe it applies to anyone who was shocked, hardened, beaten and then a (sensible)single parent? My mother turned out normally, never gave into my sisters BS, and the both of us are well adjusted now.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana44 points45 points  (8 children) | Copy

Kids in general are the biggest shit-testers and habitual line-steppers. They are great practice for holding frame, setting boundaries, and defeating shit-tests.

If you fail to hold the line with kids, they'll disrespect you and hate you. If you're strong and enforce discipline, they'll love you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed30 points31 points  (7 children) | Copy

If you fail to hold the line with kids, they'll disrespect you and hate you. If you're strong and enforce discipline, they'll love you.

Edge case; if you enforce discipline by absolutely losing your fucking mind and going nuclear at the slightest provocation, you'll enforce discipline but your kids will neither love nor respect you. They will fear you, until they grow up and learn to resent you. Source: experience.

[–]1pluvoaz[S] 20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Iron fist, velvet glove.

I'm not perfect. I still lose my temper more than I'd like, but teens love to test boundaries.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

As long as you have even the slightest concept of the velvet glove component, you're leagues ahead of some fathers.

[–]nalewacz3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was raised this way by my father and grandfather. They both have redpill mentality but how they raised crushed my self-esteem. Effect ? Blue pill mentality. I'm still recovering from this.

Additional observation: my grandfather was even worse for my father, but dad was saved by army. He was doing obligatory military service when he was 18 years old. This toughened him up and probably saved from blue pill mentality. 6 month miltary training should be mandatory for all 18-19 year old boys.

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've considered writing a post to help others who were raised like I was. I've put in a huge amount of effort to un-fuck myself and have come a long way.

The only reason I hold back from doing it is that it's difficult to go into detail without making it seem like I want pity. I don't.

Additional observation: my grandfather was even worse for my father, but dad was saved by army. He was doing obligatory military service when he was 18 years old. This toughened him up and probably saved from blue pill mentality. 6 month miltary training should be mandatory for all 18-19 year old boys.

My father spent a year in the Army when he was 16. Didn't stop him from becoming what he is. I suppose his childhood was just too fucked up. Only introspection and being 100% honest with yourself lets you improve if you have serious issues. But if you don't, military training is definitely a good idea. I admire European countries where it's mandatory. Finland, for example.

[–]Up_down_turnaround7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm 16.. I never understood how I felt about my very blue pill, ask for respect dad that lost his mind when I "talked back"(explained myself). Till now. The Red pill..it explains most relationships with ease

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Those who demand respect can never attain it and do not deserve it. You can only command respect. The difference is subtle but vital.

[–]RP151 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I was your age (fuck me for saying that) it used to drive me insane that speaking up for myself was punished.

[–]darkrood27 points28 points  (6 children) | Copy

These days, people like to rib you by labeling you as a pedophiles the moment you are "too nice" to kids.

I don't know, now I don't bother to play nice much unless I am really good with the kid's parents.

[–]zerofuxstillhungry40 points41 points  (4 children) | Copy

Long (highly relevant) story:

I have seen this play out before in a neighborhood I used to live in. All of the people in the HOA were pretty close and there was a real feeling of community.

Trustworthy babysitting services were a hot commodity in short supply and most of the parents with kids used a 16 year old girl from the neighborhood - only this particular girl had a nightmare of a busybody SAH mother who set the pricing for her little princess's services.

One day I was chatting with the guy next door and learned what was actually going on - they were charging $75 to watch one kid from 6pm - 10pm ($125 if the family had two kids). If you had arranged for a babysitter yesterday and someone else offered them more money today, the girl would flake on you at the last minute.

Everything was just dandy for them, until a 16 year old boy from one of the better known families brilliantly seized the opportunity created by her shitty business practices. The boy started advertising his babysitting services for a flat hourly rate and he started to gain immediate traction, quickly booking 3-5 gigs a week away from the girl.

The parents started talking amongst themselves - about how great this kid was. While the old babysitter would just pop the kids in front of the TV and fuck around on her phone all night, the boy was giving better service for less money. He would take the youngest kids to the park and organize kickball games for the older ones. Even the kids who weren't being babysat would cling to this young man. During the wintertime he would do arts and crafts projects or build gingerbread houses with the children. This boy was killing it - and the kids being babysat actually looked forward to their time with him!

Soon, the lazy (and now bitterly scorned) teenage girl and her asshole helicopter mom started up with some typical AWALT misandric bullshit. Whispers and rumors began floating around... "I wouldn't let a hormonal teenage boy watch my small children"... "that's creepy, a normal 16 year old boy doesn't want to be a babysitter".... you get the picture. Sickeningly, it was exclusively the bitter old hags of the neighborhood propagating this shit.

Sadly, these disgusting attacks began to discourage the young lad. The bitch mother didn't succeed with her perverted accusations - the whole neighborhood still loved and trusted him, but all of that nastiness really took the wind out of his sails. They had succeed in breaking that poor kid's spirit. He stopped with the babysitting shortly after that (but continued on the role of big brother/mentor/friend to the kids around the neighborhood, who were all still very fond of him).

[–]1pluvoaz[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've heard these stories but never had any problem myself. I took my daughter everywhere; Home Depot, shooting range, wherever. Back then very few places had changing tables in the men's rooms and several times I had to get an employee to stand guard while I took over the women's so I could change her.

I used to volunteer when she was in elementary school. I was the only Dad so I became 'The Dad' and was kinda famous. One young first year teacher was weird around me (I guess she found me 'creepy') but the older teachers loved me and would kinda fight over me.

[–]darkrood2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

They had succeed in breaking that poor kid's spirit. He stopped with the babysitting shortly after that (but continued on the role of big brother/mentor/friend to the kids around the neighborhood, who were all still very fond of him).

Fuck you for writing a good fairy tale. This is like a good ending. Now I want to know "what happen to this boy" like a child who refuses to go to sleep.

[–]zerofuxstillhungry6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck you for writing a good fairy tale. This is like a good ending. Now I want to know "what happen to this boy" like a child who refuses to go to sleep.

I share your feelings, I really wish I knew where he was too. All of that went down in 2011 and I have since moved a continent away - the last thing I ever heard about that young man was that he was creating a memorial garden to honor veterans as his Eagle Scout merit project.

Wherever he ended up I'm sure he is kicking ass at life.

[–]Chrience3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

During the wintertime he would do arts and crafts projects or build gingerbread houses with the children. This boy was killing it - and the kids being babysat actually looked forward to their time with him!

This is the kind of guy who would have done a lot of good as a school teacher or a carer. Too bad he was discouraged by the kind of girl who would become a teacher right now just to mooch off benefits and holidays.

If you're in college, go to any party with the girls doing an 'education' or related degree. You'll never see more whoreish behaviour from a woman, especially if the drinks are cheap. And they'll teach your kids how to behave.

[–]1pluvoaz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's a matter of attitude, a different kind of 'frame' if you will.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 43 points44 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a solid post. Accurate, concise, and offering excellent advice.

I am awarding you with a point.

[–]Dopebear6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's very sad that the very purpose of life (having children by spreading your genes to the next generation) is heavily risky and basically shat on these days.

Even if you don't want kids, it's saddening thinking how many fathers and children are getting fucked over because of this.

[–]What_The_Shoe3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Couldn't you either adopt a child or pay a shit ton of money to have some of your genes put into an egg so you could have a child with yourself? Nobody else to fuck you up?

[–]TRPhd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Surrogacy is often discussed here. I think the price tag is somewhere around $30K right now. The egg donation is the really expensive and difficult part, IIRC, with medical/pre-natal/delivery care a close second.

Haven't done it myself.

[–]GeneralDogsbody21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably best not to steal the kids. ;)

Otherwise, solid advice.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Totally agreed.

Good with women and good with children is disturbingly similar. Small relatives (not your own) is the ideal. Little girls show all the tendencies of older women, except they are painfully transparent if you know the score. Push / pull / limited attention / taken no shit / always be in a good mood / maintain frame .... it's all the same. But they're easier to hold upside down and shake until the money comes out.

[–]tb87670[🍰] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

The conclusion is a tad wrong, there is nothing we can do to prevent the next wave. Too few people took the red pill at this time for sufficient change to happen across the population. Most red pills are told to never have LTR's and the kids that often result from them, so the group of men we have here have a much lower overall reproduction rate than the general US population which happens to include welfare-baby factories that keep crapping out spermlings made with random guys into their toilets every 9 months. The next wave will happen. They say enjoy the decline, I can't find any enjoyment in it. Just have to live my own life away from it.

[–]Squeezymypenisy12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Follow the advice of Socrates, which it sounds like you are to some extent. In times of trouble and strife just live a good life. You can't really get too away from it, but you can still live a good life. Do things you enjoy with this time you have here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It all goes back to being an arbiter and not a victim.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Father of two girls here. Damn right. Also, for some reason, when a girl watches you be dad (commanding and unflinching, but still loving) it's like Niagara Falls in their panties.

[–]1pluvoaz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup, even better than a puppy. ;-)

[–]Bic13bic6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

About to have a kid, would love to hear more.

[–]buddboy5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have also thought about it is similar to training a dog. Hear me out

Everyone thinks dogs want to be obedient and do tricks for their masters. They don't, they want the treats and performing tricks is just a means to an end.

The thing about training a dog is, if you are 10% consistent than you cannot set boundaries. If you don't want your dog to beg for food, but one day it does beg and you give in and give it something, than it will always remember that as a last resort it can beg and still get food.

All about consistency and setting fair boundaries

[–]david_kimba2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In a very selfish way, i am glad there are more waves. We already know how to navigate the ocean of shit and dominate the crystaline blue coasts. More power to us.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've got two daughters. My goal is to raise them to be less like their mothers. I teach them to give, not just take. I give them an example of a man who is a leader, doesn't let people push him around, is kind and loving by default and is the undisputed head of the household.

[–]1RBuddDwyer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here is the original article to which OP is referring: Woman: The Most Responsible Teenager in the House.

[–]AaronKClark4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had kids before I smart enough to know better. And you are absolutely right. Becoming a parent has helped me understand women as large children.

[–]sirmadam2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always imagine anything a woman says is coming out of the mouth of my 9 year old sister…she also sounds just like my mother. And by that I mean if you wrote down what each said you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Most responsible teenager my ass, she hasn't got to her teens yet and she's almost 50.

[–]RPJapan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I totally agree, I often encounter teenagers in my professional life and treating girls the same way I treat those teenagers has served me well. Not caring if they give me shit, holding frame in dramatic situations and just being aloof but stern when needed.

Doesn't even have to be teenagers, treating women like children without the baby voice is very effective.

For people without experience, imagine if a young child told you your head is 'funny looking'. How would you react? You certainly wouldn't get mad, you might even laugh along. Treat women giving you shit THE EXACT SAME WAY, and after internalizing that, you'll barely at eye at shit test and other BS that women try to bring up.

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Conclusion: Beg/borrow/steal some kids and get busy shaping young minds. Women really are children, maybe you can help prevent the next wave and learn something in the process.

God, some of you overdo this. FFS just talk to girls, lift, increase smv, this is totally overboard imo for learning how to interact with chicks and can get you arrested.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but if the theory holds that women are just like teenagers, then why not just go talk to women you're trying to bang instead of someone 10 years younger for "practice".

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[–]jaimewarlock[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Even I know not to take what he was saying literally and I am autistic.

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[–]jaimewarlock[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just observe them (teenagers). Obviously, we can't prevent the next wave of craziness.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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