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by TheRabbitTunnel on /r/TheRedPill
16 February 2016 08:21 PM UTC
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| Title | Rape accusers sue University of Tennessee for giving the accused student due process |
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| Author | TheRabbitTunnel |
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| Date | 16 February 2016 08:21 PM UTC (4 years ago) |
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From the article: The plaintiffs are seeking damages including reimbursement and pre-payment for all of their tuition and related expenses incurred as a consequence of the sexual assaults
That's their ultimate goal, free education at the expense of (usually) gifted athletes.
It just proves how watered the definition of rape has become thanks to feminists. They are not even taking rape seriously anymore.
If a real rape was happening, a sane person only objective would be is to make sure that the perpetrator rots in jail for as long as possible (and I support that 100%)
But feminists took a serious crime and use it as their playing card for their advantage in order to pump out as much money and power as possible. Now whenever I hear a rape case I am extremely skeptical thanks to feminists making a SHITLOAD of false accusations. Their egotistical greed has gotten the best of them.
Well congratulations, you played yourself.
Feminists and white knights like to play a game that feeds from the from the instinct of "altruistic cruelty" in humans, which involves fantasizing about what vengance they'd like to bring on the other/rapist/evilone. I've heard the most supposedly liberal ladies in the world talk about how they'd like to build a rape machine to rape the rapists,rip their skin off, heal and repeat, or have government do tortures that would make the aztecs blush on "the rapist" when he is found.
When there just aren't that many rapes around, it becomes very frustrating for them because they can never see the fantasy fufilled, even vicariously. After time, fufilling the rapist vengence fantasy becomes an obssession in the feminist mind. Fufilling it with some man/patsy becomes more important than finding a real rapist, truth, etc.
Upvote for "altruistic cruelty". That's a fucking amazing (terrifying) concept.
When The Devil whispers into your ear, "See what that fucker did to you! Are you going to let that shit stand?"
The war on terrorism is another great example, or the war on drugs.
The hormone oxytocin has been implicated in relationship and trust bonding, and also in violence. Perhaps, as it should be?
What she really means is have men do those things to the rapists
Aesop had a fable about this; "The boy who cried wolf".
Old stories proving their worth over and over.
Pshh if only all that it took was 2 false accusations. It seems to me like even though most people are becoming suspicous of rape claims. No one would dare question it in public or on air aka anywhere it matters. The media still treats a rape accusation as being found guilty by a jury of your peers.
Look at what reprehensible creatures populate the media. Nancy Grace comes to mind. Read a few bits about her here: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-632636
Notice that as a lawyer she was tagged by other lawyers as 'fast and loose' with ethics. She was also an ardent supporter of the Duke Lacrosse prosecution, and wouldn't even appear on her own show to announce that they had disbarred the prosecutor and announced the verdict. In short, she's not ethical at all, and in all probability has caused two deaths. The reason she's on TV is because her screechy personality, arrogance, and total disregard for due process makes for entertainment for some. Some people watch because they agree with her, some watch because they want to see what outrageous shit she will do next. The point is, though, that people watch her show.
Just remember, the media wants ratings so they can sell advertising. Journalistic integrity died a long time ago.
That's something I was wondering about, why don't the "rape-victims" go straight to the police? Does the university hold any legal power?
If someone stole my car on campus and even if I was absolutely sure it was done by another student, I wouldn't go to the dean - I'd call the police.
Because the police aren't under Title IX and thus will actually investigate the claim. While if you go to the university they will just expel the accused and you will achieve star status on campus. Notice how it is never the 10/10 fox who got raped but the purple haired slightly overweight chick. Who has never recieved this much attention in her life.
I know someone who left to work at the University of Chicago. He was told, if you have any problems, call the UC police; they'll fix it. So, yay for private police forces...?
It's sad. I don't have any kind of emotional reaction whatsoever any more when a woman says she was raped or that her ex was abusive. Yeah, yeah... He raped you by jerking off to porn once and abused you by not paying all your bills even though you pouted and stomped your widdle footsie. I get it. Go away.
Imagine if it gets to the point where a guy with low SMV simply looks the wrong way at a girl and then she demands her tuition back...fuck man...hopefully not
No they didn't. The people who made the first couple of moves won, and the rest (legitimate rapees) are taking the hit for it. Don't put all women in a little box.
Are you saying that while there may have been some false accusations a while back, all accusations now are forthright and genuine?
...no. In no way am I saying that. I'm saying his implication at the end is that the women who are actually getting raped that no one believes because of feminists deserve it because the evil feminists "cried wolf" in the past. They are different people.
The feminists deserve the fucked up world they created. The victims don't deserve their suffering.
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Rape is extremely bad. False rape accusations are bad as well. I'm not sure why you went there.
It's not that much physically worse than getting your ass kicked but is psychological murder. The same result can occur from assault or even a mugging, but the occurrence is much higher from rape.
I had a longer response typed out, but I changed my mind and decided to ask: Have you ever been raped?
I agree with your sentiment but your question is rather empty. We wouldn't need to have experienced being murdered to know that murder is wrong
Have you ever been murdered ?
I'm not afraid to die. I've done that already.
Ask a married man.
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Lol I bet this gets thrown out of court, or both parties litigate until funds run out. This is going to be a lose lose situation.
Just a prediction with no data other than we are sick of this bullshit which has been proven to be bullshit over, and over.
courts take due process seriously. 100% this gets thrown out.
It gets better, the frivolous litigation rules may bite the lawyers of the students in the ass. If a judge calls a litigation "frivolous" it's like telling the world that the lawyer filling it is a moron. And then there are the financial sanctions.
gotta love that lawyers have to put their reputations at stake if they want to take a case. it was hilarious when the lawyer of the "victim" in the patrick kane case quit because he didn't believe her.
Have you ever actually talked to any lawyers on a social basis ?
Obviously not. A lawyer is paid to argue your case, and his reputation among other lawyers is based on whether or not he wins the case.
Example:
You are appended by the cops while covered in blood, there are 3 dead bodies with a knife in them with your fingerprints on it. Fortunately you watched the video why you should not talk to the cops and refuse to make any statements you immediately contact your crackerjack lawyer.
By the evidence it appears you are guilty of murder.
But your lawyer comes up with an explanation of why your fingerprints are on the knife and you are covered with the victims blood. You found the victims while they where still alive, you attempted to perform first aide on them and your fingerprints are on the knife because you where attempting to remove the knife to stop the flow of blood.
Your crackerjack lawyer is very convincingz the jury buys his story. You are declared a hero.
Did you actually commit the murders ? From a legal perspective irrelevant. Your lawyer would be viewed as a top notch lawyer and his reputation would increase because he won an impossible case.
I was having drinks with a crackerjack lawyer, he managed to get one of his clients off for murder despite there being a witness and other evidence. His case was won by discrediting the witness. He was laughing about how he laid a trap and made the witness look like a liar.
I asked him if he thought his client committed the murder. He admitted the evidence appeared to indicate it. But he then said a court of law decided his client was innocent.
He probably never believed/knew she was full of shit. He just knew once that shit unfolded and didn't work in their favor his goose was cooked and he bailed as soon as possible. Especially when she was anonymous until that fuck up and gave her identity away. Building was on fire, he was just getting out while he still could with whatever small amount of dignity he could save.
If the plaintiff loses their suit, they have to pay all the defendants legal costs. I can imagine the schools have large retainers with expensive law firms, $500-$1000/hour expensive law firms. If these dumb cunts lose against the school they're paying the school 5 figures back in legal costs for sure.
Well, that's the case if they only loose the case. Having your case thrown out as frivolous is much, much, worse.
If you are a lawyer then you and your firm may get "sanctioned" by the court for knowingly filing a frivolous suit. Most common types of sanctions are financial, your client pays the legal cost and then you as the law firm have to pay a fine. Not good.
But there are other cases of sanctions, if you are extra stupid or try something illegal, you might get cited before a professional conduct committee. And that can end in professional punishment up to being permanently disbarred, probably not in this case but you never know.
One trillion dollars says that the University settles.
Make that ten trillion.
If you read into it they said they were showing signs of nonconsenual like vomiting and being overly drunk.
2.life is fucking dangerous. How about you learn to control yourself and be safe. Learn some personal responsibility
I wouldn't go to a white biker bar and get super fucked up alone. Good chance I get worked over
Reminds me of when our dorm went into lockdown because a woman had been "sexually assaulted". Turns out she just wanted to get her tuition removed so she made up a story to make the school seem liable for sexual damages against her
Guess that explains the targeting of fraternities for false rape accusations.
This shit will go on until punishment occurs for false accusers. Without punishment they will keep doing it and not care about the lives of men being ruined. I don't care if the punishment is legally sanctioned or not honestly, at this point too many men are having their lives ruined by false accusations and something needs to be done to stop the public slandering until evidence comes out.
After the Ghomeshi trial wraps up, Canada will finally have a precedent for false rape accusations.
He's most likely going to get acquitted - his lawyer completely destroyed the case brought forth by the government.
It'll show future cases that either rape needs proof, or it won't last long in court.
Have you got a solid site to keep up to date with that case?
CBC actually published a good article about the importance of due process.
And criticising how the far left wants to get rid of it for sex offenders while the far right wants to get rid of it for suspected terrorists - two sides of the same authoritarian coin.
I'll dig it up later
Here it is: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/due-process-neil-macdonald-1.3446739
Seriously the way our legal system appears to work is women can haphazardly break any laws they want and the state agencies responsible for enforcing them just flatly refuse to enforce them on anyone other than men, usually black men.
The only punishment so far is, every semi intelligent alpha male will never give a hoe commitment that has falsely accused. They really don't know doing that is only making them a fuck toy and nothing more, cant wait til hundreds of thousands of these women get into 30s and 40s and wonder why they're bored, disgusted and unhappy and no alpha wants to fuck them anymore
Except that unless the records of their false accusations are easily found on the Internet, and without any grey areas, the romantic consequences for their actions will only likely matter for as long as they attend that school.
Which is why men must be taught how to get women to volunteer that information so that they can covertly "next" any woman that pulls that crap.
Law 38 can be used to preemptively filter dross as well as defend against it.
Or just assume they're all like that and don't ever commit to any of them.
I think Law 38 is the most important Law of the 48. In my estimation, one of the main through-lines of the book is "check your ego," and this sums it up very well.
Don't be a hero and preach. You can make intelligent, strategic choices while making others feel valued.
we could make a register, false accusors go on the registor. I was watching Gone Girl and the guy seeks out his wifes past ex's and one confides the girl framed him of rape and ruined his life. If all the men who have been attacked with false-rapes even if the cops were'nt involved put the accusors on a false rape registor then men could look up girls they're dating or about to propose marriage to before they get stung.
Society does not punish women, regardless of how deranged their actions are.
I agree with somwthing Rogan said, that society is overcompensating and eventually the pendulum will swing back to more neutral ground. There's been way too many false rape allegations, more then I can count. Society is reactive trust me they are already desensitized to it.
This year is that turning point where pretty much any rape case on the news all the people in my family just say 'yep, whatever' and the feminists do not realize what they have done. By over-victimizing rape and by turning it into a weapon against men they have actually fucked (or raped? lol irony) the actual rape victims because no sane person will believe a rape charge anymore. The boy that cried wolf, same thing. When it's finally true no one is going to believe it, and that doesn't bother me one bit at all. Women did this to themselves.
They are being punished, on a societal scale, men are opting out.
That's not punishment. Women are still getting all the sex they want from the highly desirable men, the classic 80/20 rule. They are suffering when it comes to long term relationships and are proven to be highly unhappy about it, but feminism is spinning so women are taught to think that living like it's Sex in the City is actually a good thing. This message keeps being parroted, and like someone with a gambling addiction they will double down even with a losing hand just hoping that next card that flops down is THE ONE they need to win.
The thing is if people do get punished for false accusations it will make other people who have legit claims not want to report for fear of it being labeled a false accusation and getting punished. System does have to change though...
Here's the thing: the University of Tennessee is a public university, and therefore a subdivision of the State of Tennessee, which means that things like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty" aren't just quaint niceties of a bygone era: they are the law of the land.
This is another attempt to weaponize the state against men, and to turn the state in their own, personal BetaBux.
Whether its beta bux, child support, alimony, or manipulating a lawsuit, women sure love to use men as a means to get money.
Also prostitution, paternity fraud and fake pregnancies.
At least with prostitution they're doing something useful in return.
Don't forget plain old extortion. "Give me all your money or I'll scream rape"
The Scorpion and the Frog
A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion says, "Because if I do, I will die too."
The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"
But never use the for sex.
Huh...
I am actually glad this is happening. Don't get me wrong, yeah this is ludicrous but think of the long term ramifications. Little by little universities are getting sick of these people. There are some that are catering to them because the professors and administrators are part of the regressive left but overall universities are getting tired.
Professors are getting tired of their bastion of knowledge and free ideas being turned into a daycare for adults. Hell there are professors who are on their ivory towers that are collapsing because of these regressive leftists. This is a long line of things that will start an education civil war between colleges who want to retain their old ideals and colleges that are glorified daycare centers.
So I say yes I hope more shit happens like this because there is only so much they can do until these institutions of higher learning get angry and start weeding them out.
I know what you mean, I'm glad too
The sports teams are getting the most tired of it, and in the south the sports teams run the school
This is getting way out of hand. Falsely accused "rapists" should band together and create a foundation that helps men in situations like this and later goes after the accuser.
COTWA - Community Of The Wrongly Accused
Good god that first article makes me want to crawl in a fucking hole.
For those who, for whatever reason, don't want to hit that site, it says:
Hillary Clinton has hired Zerlina Maxwell. Do you remember her?
Maxwell has written this: “Ultimately, the costs of wrongly disbelieving a survivor far outweigh the costs of calling someone a rapist.” Maxwell said that false accusations "can be undone by an investigation that clears the accused, especially if it is done quickly."
Yep, she actually said that. And her views mirror those of her new boss, who recently said that rape accusers should be believed until evidence proves the accusation is false.
Yes, friends, if Hillary is elected, we will enter into a feminist nirvana, where women never lie about rape unless the accusation is lobbed at Bill Clinton; where due process for men and boys accused of rape is a luxury we can afford but won't bother to extend; and where it's Salem, Massachusetts, 1692, all the time, at least when it comes to men and boys.
Remember that, as a white man in America in 2016, you have no rights, no privilege, and no one gives a shit about you. It's all on you to succeed.
that's why you get white doctors, they actually earned their job
It makes me sad that there's a need for this site to exist
You know how feminism will fail?
By a healthy number of women getting tired of this bullshit when real rape victims are shoved or neglected in favor of "mattress girl".
Gosh...I still hate that bitch....
Unfortunately, women as a whole are complacent with feminism. Even if they think feminists are spoiled bitches, they won't do anything to fight back because feminism benefits them too much. It will take enough guys fighting back before anything changes... and those guys will have all the BP white knights and most of the women in the world to fight against.
You don't have to shout from the rooftops the positive benefits of a patriarchy to fight back.
All you need to do is say fuck this shit and join the ranks of MGTOW if you are sick of women and feminazis and stuff. That way you can spend all your money on yourself.
And yet this backlash isn't happening - and it won't until there are actual consequences of their actions.
ehh.... people only really tend to move when they're already knee deep in shit.
Yeah....
RapeCulture# V.S. #IAmNotFeminist# will bring no justice for people who are wronged by false rape accusation.
So, Be careful out there and don't just fuck any random slut.
Women don't give a shit, they have an own group preference and these sorts of laws make them feel secure.
Can someone explain to me why colleges have anything at all to do with prosecution of sexual assaults? Call the fucking police!
Don't get married is pretty soon to be don't go to college (if it's not already there).
Go to a tech school. I went to one for 6 months, now I'm a skilled tradesman making over $50/hr with a great benefits package. Of the 300 or so students, there were only 3 women. It was awesome.
What career did you get into?
Commercial diving/underwater welding.
but what if there's monsters down there
Pick any good trade and its like that, elec, hvac are pretty fucking easy.
Studying process chemistry to become a chemical engineer. Can confirm. Not many girls, but the few present are really bad at almost everything. Total asslickers. It's way easier for them to get better grades, apprenticeships and jobs. Well, if the businesses are pandering to women, I am sure it's for a reason. I am guessing PR.
This, or go to a smaller satellite campus of a large university. The kind with no dorms, Greek row, any of that. Usually half to two-thirds the tuition, smaller classes, cheaper living costs in the surrounding area, and none of this BS. Same degree with the same accreditation. Getting my engineering degree at one. Two year transfer degree at community college and two years at the satellite campus. After grants and all that it won't even cost me 20k for an engineering degree.
Yeah. People in the manosphere are saying it already. It's a minefield. Don't go unless there is a very specific degree you need, and if you do be extremely careful and don't date or fuck women on campus.
It's already there. I'm not going to college here because of how hostile of an environment it is to me. Going to local Tech school, costs way less and I can work up to an Associates in 2-4 years time WHILE working and earning money. Add on online classes for a bachelors in another 2-4 years while working and I won't have to step foot in a college classroom. I'm still hesitant for the online college courses though, because that still funds the liberal leftist shit-tards running and working in the colleges.
You can make a ton more picking up trades as opposed to going to college and you get paid as an apprentice rather than paying some dumb cunt to harass all the males around them (aka. Feminist professors).
^ My post just above yours that's exactly what I'm doing. I even said I'm not sure if I'll take online college classes, because it's still feeding the feminist fucks in college their paychecks. Typically in a free market people vote with their wallets. Shit idea? Go ahead, take it to market, you end up making no money though. Problem with colleges is they sort of have society in their grips, they know lots of people want higher education for more money. Luckily the market is flooded with useless BA's doing high-school level work at mcdonalds and walmart, soon people will see they are paying tens of thousands to work a job they could have gotten without going into debt.
Trade school is the future for men. The money might not be white collar money, but it will be enough to enter the middle class. You will be working an actual job with technical skills. You will not be sitting inside idly all day as a cash register making minimum wage. Construction workers, HVAC techs, plumbers, all these guys are the best ones to talk to when chatting it up. Those people that work at starbucks or mall stores, they are boring as fuck and dull to talk to.
Real MGTOW would be hardcore Onanism.
Become the worlds leading sex-robot engineer. Free the slaves (to pussy)!
unfortunately, sex robots would further drive men into slavery. the incentive to free themselves from this weakness man is born with would disappear. the only way to be free is to overcome the desire for sex, and that takes discipline.
It's sickening how loosely femenist use the term rape. Feminazis are fucking up
Wait till they piss off the wrong person then they will learn.
Don't believe an American woman when she talks
Can't we turn this kind of thing around?
What is to stop me from accusing Gloria Allred of assault 30 years ago? To call Cosby's lawyer and say I was a hot, young, male prostitute on the streets of LA when she pulled up and asked if I'd do sex stuff with her. At the hotel, she kicked me square in the nuts, didn't pay me, told me if I made an issue she'd have me killed and left?
Maybe it happened. Maybe it didn't. She's a wealthy, powerful attorney and I've been too scared for my life to bring it up.
Now imagine if ten of us did it.
I don't think this should be seen as a bad thing. The more of this frivolous crap brought into the public eye through the courts, the better. The only reason things have gotten so bad is because the average person isn't aware of it.
Half of those aren't even just common law innovations. Like, right to face the accused, due process, right to an attorney are guaranteed Constitutional rights.
The average student has a 0,011 % chance of being raped on campus. Add the legal suit for giving the accused the benefit of the doubt..
I'd just expel the rape accusers.
At this rate, men are going to be having zero guilt in choking bitches when the walking dead shit happens and women can't use the government, social justice warriors or internet for help when that shit no longer exist.
Something something Peyton Manning.
This isn't the same school. This is the University of TN at Chattanooga, not Knoxville. I go to school here as well, which makes it seem all the more crazy.
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I don't think so, I think many women can appear as normal at first. Anyway, the post didn't mean that redpill knowledge would give you a psychic ability to know who is crazy, it means you have the knowledge to get a variety of women, so you aren't "limited to" or "stuck with" the crazy ones.
How does this even happen?!
I hope I'm not being misled here but, feminism is going for justice right? How is due process not justice?
Lol on what planet is justice the end goal of feminism? You have a lot of learning to do.
You are right.....due process is justice. But it's not social justice....and that's what they're going after.
Ah, right, that sounds like a clear distinction.
Now that I read the post, I don't even know why I said feminism.
Social Justice: You're guilty because I said so. (Also usually because you are white and/or male).
So, I always guilty?
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Why is this even an issue? If you want friends, talk to guys. If you want sex, do it 10km away from home. Use a burner and a fake name. It's best to just pay for it if you're not in the zone to close.
Tldr; quit fear mongering.
Or, instead of wasting tons of money on sex, and going through a bunch of crap to hide your identity, you could just get with sane women.
Students are better looking, and cheaper escorts. The money spent on courting or in court far outweigh legal prostitution
Hiding your identity takes seconds. Mine is hidden here and it took almost no effort.
Sane women are all capable of calling the cops for domestic abuse the moment they don't get their way. The only "sane" woman you can find has a father she is obedient too, and this obedience transfers onto her man. Seeing as that's rare, a sane woman 100% of the time is as rare as a shiny mewtwo.
Edit: and if this shiny mewtwo exists, it will have a high amount of narcissism in knowing that it is incredibly rare. Which brings us to "what happens when a narcissist gets angry for 400 Alex!" Cops, bs and the works. The only non narcissistic sane woman out there is equivalent to finding two shiny mewtwos in back to back resets. Damn near impossible.
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The matter of whether they are guilty or not is not the issue. If they are guilty, then they should definitely be punished, and I hope the court finds them guilty after a fair trial. The issue is whether due process is followed or not. Whether the accusations in this case are false or not is irrelevant.
What are you talking about? The men being accused of being rapists want a trial, due process, and so the school allows it, and the accusers get to sue the school for that? Thats complete bullshit, it doesn't matter what other schools use for policy. Of course a player backing the girls is going to be threatened, these girls are trying to prevent due process and he's fighting for that? He's probably just trying to get laid by them. "People I spoke with at a party" what the hell are you talking about? Do you personally know people from this incident? Or do you think random people at parties have divine knowledge?
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That literally makes zero sense. Due process is federal rules. You can't make up laws and say that a school is "going against federal rules" because you don't like the way the situation is being dealt with. They are suing for free tuition & fees and all that stuff, this is a money scandal at a bare minimum (even if the rapists are guilty, it doesn't mean all these girls should get a ton of free stuff).
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Title IX is being abused to support issues it was never designed for. A lot of these "guidelines" have not held up in court when challenged. The law of the land is still due process, and anything in the Title IX "guidelines" that goes against against due process does not hold up when challenged in court.
Total shit excuse. I dated girls that go to the college in my town, they talk about the rape rooms at the parties and how terrible it is then not even a minute later she texts a friend how psyched they both are to go to this weekend's party and how cool it will be. These women both talked to each other knowing about these 'rape rooms' and yet want to go to a party at that same place. It's just sluts who don't want to own up to that fact and cry rape out of self-guilt.
Using what a couple from a party tells you as a basis for your argument is completely absurd anyway.
Forgot to mention this lol
This wasn't a party with a 'rape room'. It was a party where two guys had sex with two chicks that were far past the ability to consent.
There was enough evidence for the DA to prosecute probably the best player on the Vols. If there wasn't a great case, no way he would be going to trial. Shit that our players do that gets swept under the rug is astonishing. Not just sexual assault either, a few years ago a couple of players almost killed an off duty police officer.
Edit:http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2010/jul/09/vols-football-players-brawl-bar/22850/
One of the players involved got kicked off the team.
And yet the women had no responsibility for willingly going to a party and getting blackout drunk? See that double standard? And why can't the defense be used that the guys were so drunk they couldn't control their actions? Wouldn't fly in court right? Stop stepping up for that feminist bullshit, you weren't there. The people that were there were drunk and witnesses on both sides will slap their biases on what their hazed eyes saw that night. No proof of rape. DA's went off and prosecuted hastily before to get their 5min of fame so don't use that as proof there is proof for the case either.
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Personal attacks are all you have left when you ran out of logic? An accusation based only on words you have said, since I never mentioned if I drink or if I date women that drink? You are hamstering, get out of here with that and bring a real argument.
How do you know the women were passed out? How do you know how drunk the guys were or how much the women drank? Guys can fuck really badly while drunk, in the same way women can fuck badly when drunk. How do you know the women did not consent? Maybe they did. You are assuming everything while you absolve the women of ALL responsibility, it makes me wonder if you shouldn't be calling yourself a fool instead of calling me one because you believe a second hand story from people that were also likely drunk about what happened in a party.
Party rape means they were given roofies or were passed out. I'm all for burying there sorts of dumbass men under the jail but the women have some self responsibility too.
What exactly did your friends see at the party?
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Just playing the devils advocate here...
The guys were drunk too, why are they expected to be in complete control why the women aren't? just give me the logic
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Is it impossible for these women to not drink to the point of being unable to stand up around strange men?
Men who, by the way, are also judgement impaired by alcohol.