"but... come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe." Former Swedish feminist now demands men save Sweden from the ravages caused by the philosophy she's only recently disavowed.

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tl/dr I tried to keep this short, I failed. read/don't read. Link to source at bottom.

So, this is a few days old, so someone may have commented on it already, and, if so, you know... ignore this.

I infrequently listen to Stefan Molyneux's philosophy shows on YT, but I happened to come across one tonight that I figured I'd listen to while throwing down on some game.

For about the first 40~ minutes everything was pretty standard fare. Back and forth cataloging exactly how fucked-up Sweden is, and appears to be, currently thanks to fanatical implementation of multi-culturalism. Though, not 'multi-culturalism' in itself per se, we all know the elephant in the room is Islamic (dis)immigration.

Around the 45-minute mark, they start delving into what actually has to/needs to be done to repair the situation, and Stefan cites a rather general attitude I've seen on social media which is that, many men "would love to save Europe, they just don't want to save the feminists along with with it. Men have been so beaten upon by feminism for so long, I think, at this point, many view it almost like saving their enemies from the consequences of their enemies' own misconceptions and hostilities."

Which I agreed with for the most part. It's a concept I share. I wouldn't piss on a SJW to put them out. The guest's response though, was mindbogglingly sexist. I mean upon hearing it, I was so dumb-struck by the sheer, unadulterated, solipsism and sexism of her remarks. I actually had to close the game, and run-back the tape to make sure I heard it right. And I had.

Now, the guest, is a Swedish journalist which means, at one point, she was a card-carrying feminist, pro-multi-culti SJW snowflake. Corroborating this is also early in the video, she actually makes the comment that, had anyone told her 20-years ago that Sweden would be where it is now, she "would have laughed in your face and said you were crazy". And also recounts stories from the mid-70's of being a young free-lover and stringing various dudes along, and then denying them sex at the last minute and them 'being okay with it.' She actually referred to that 'era' as 'really, the golden age.' The golden age of Cultural-Marxism I'm sure. So, as far as i can tell, she was fully on-board with the whole "New Society" ideology until only the last few years. You don't generate a career in Sweden otherwise. There is no notion there of 'loyal opposition'.

But her response to Stefan's argument was staggering. "yea.. and i can kinda understand that attitude (rolls eyes), but.... come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe. And when you do, you will also crush feminism! And the women, they will be soooooooo sooooo thankful and grateful for saving europe. for saving their opportunities of being women, and being equal, but not being feminists. And they won't be feminists anymore. (Stefan laughing and looking off camera at this point) It's up to you guys. You gotta save Europe for us, and leave the feminists to me.. I will deal with them."

I had to stop the tape there. I mean WHAT!? This is exactly what Stefan was talking about. This fucking lifelong feminist has come to realize how deeply and how irrevocably the philosophy she believed in and perpetuated has FUCKED UP an entire continent, and the only thing this "strong, independent don't need no man, free-lover" does is DEMAND men fix it. DEMANDS.

Now, this likely childless, husbandless, waste of good white skin actually, like tries to shame men into what? Getting themselves killed doing what can only be assumed to be deporting the suspected million muslim immigrants. or overthrowing the government. And for what? So she is protected from the consequences of her life-choices, that she only now, once it's hitting her in the face, realizes might have been in err?

So much for equality, strength and independence, right? When the metal meets the meat, these Western 'feminists' abandon their principles as fast as they adopted them. And demand that another generation of men throw themselves in the grinder on their behalf.

When big-daddy State is rendered impotent, look who they come running back to.

I don't really know what else to say. I just couldn't believe how mindlessly and effortlessly this woman just reverts to 17th-century damsel-mentality and demands men save European women from themselves. And it just falls out of her mouth like she was born to say it. And this is supposed to be one of the smart ones. I'm just gobsmacked at the simple-mindedness. Couldn't even finish the interview. I'm just choked with rage at how little this woman values men.


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Title "but... come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe." Former Swedish feminist now demands men save Sweden from the ravages caused by the philosophy she's only recently disavowed.
Author worldnewsrager
Upvotes 765
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Date 10 May 2016 09:32 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana193 points194 points  (48 children) | Copy

she...recounts stories from the mid-70's of being a young free-lover and stringing various dudes along, and then denying them sex at the last minute and them 'being okay with it.

And then...

"yea.. and i can kinda understand that attitude (rolls eyes), but.... come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe. And when you do, you will also crush feminism! And the women, they will be soooooooo sooooo thankful and grateful for saving europe. for saving their opportunities of being women, and being equal, but not being feminists. And they won't be feminists anymore. (Stefan laughing and looking off camera at this point) It's up to you guys. You gotta save Europe for us, and leave the feminists to me.. I will deal with them."

The stringing along continues. Come kick the football, Charlie Brown. She promises she won't pull it away at the last minute.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman104 points105 points  (6 children) | Copy

The stringing along continues. Come kick the football, Charlie Brown. She promises she won't pull it away at the last minute.

That's hilariously appropriate.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana57 points58 points  (5 children) | Copy

I wish I had realized as a kid that the ongoing situation of Charlie Brown, Lucy, and the football is a great analogy for how betas interact with women.

[–]aanarchist6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

yea now that i think about it, that was the first red pill truth we were ever exposed to as kids, or close to it.

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points | Copy

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[–]mos_basik4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

My understanding of Peanuts is that Charlie Brown is the closest character to a Shultz self-insert, Lucy is based on Shultz's first, divorced, wife and Peppermint Patty is based on his second wife.

So that reading is likely not far from the truth.

[–]shoutout_to_burritos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The little red-haired girl was "the one that got away" for Shultz. I'm not sure about Lucy and PP, but you may be right.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

How kind of her to almost "throw men a bone." Really, how so very kind.

Laughable, and pathetic. I'm glad so many here would be able to easily call out the bullshit when a woman says similar, as one day it may happen here (USA) as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Urging men to fight only benefits the women, they get to dispose of the weak losers and reproduce with the winners.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the circumstances.

Of course I won't advocate "white knighting" or something like that, but occassionally you need to squash things. Carefully, of course, since betas are prone to run and tattle once they get their ass handed to them.

[–]FEMIMARXIST8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm only a few seconds into the video and her countenance already gives it all away:

The arched eyebrows, squinting dead eyes, slightly pulled smirk.

This woman is a born and bred manipulative sociopath.

[–]hores0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She is, but she's not wrong. Feminism is a cancer on our societies, no doubt, but the only reason there's been such credence and respect given to it is because men have allowed it. Our forefathers may have made the greatest mistake in the history of our societies, but is the solution really to throw our hands up and say fuck it, fuck you, I'm out? The only thing that can stop feminism is men. We allow it to exist.

Breivik comes to mind, as brutal as his actions were...

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (34 children) | Copy

perfect analogy.

but she does have a point behind all the bullshit: We do have to fix this shit. Men let feminism in and only we can get it out.

What are the other options? Letting the Muslim horde keep coming? Letting all of this bullshit spread?

We stop it now while it's bad or be forced to stop it when it's too late.

[–]RedPillAnonymous14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

Let the Muslim horde keep coming is exactly what we do. Let them rape and ravage until they destroy all the multi culti feminist and manginas. Let them destroy and pillage until the last morons head is removed from their ass. Let them put every bitch in a burqua. When there is no one left to shout "racist" or "islamophobe". When Noone will arrest you for "hate" crimes. Then and only then do you drive the sand n!&&€r's out. Until then, watch and laugh.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

this got really racist, really fast

am i just a normal nigger? or am i cool because i post here?

[–]RedPillAnonymous7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly I'm not even advocating for racism. I wouldn't care if a bunch of liberal middle easterners immigrated to the west because they thought their own culture sucked and wanted to join this one. But if it's only economic opportunity they are after, they are basically cultural gold diggers.

Also, big difference between black people and niggers, just like I'm sure you'd agree there is a difference between gays and fags, and Mexicans and wet backs.

Edit. I'm Mexican, but I think Donald Trump can kick out all the illegals he wants. And build a wall.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

1.The problem is the Middle Easterners we get are either the rich ones who aren't really practicing Muslims anymore---they're Christians the way women who say they're "spiritual" are---or they're the ones who don't acclimate at all.

20% of American Muslims see suicide bombing as useful on occasion. 50% of British Muslims think Gays and Gay Marriage should be illegal.

2.The problem is we don't treat them like they're different. The Left uses us to serve them and their fascism, and the Right gets mad at us because of the Left.

This is why we vote Trump. He cares about Americans and that's all any of us want.

3.First well known secret is Mexicans don't vote. Second well known secret is that Mexicans vote for Trump alot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Looks better as well. If your going to wage a genocidal campaign its better to do it under the guise of self defense.

[–]makeshift989 points10 points  (20 children) | Copy

It's simple. We deport all Muslims and send them back to their country along with feminists. Any women wishing not to become halal meat for Ahmed has to give up their rights to vote and own property.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (19 children) | Copy

I think sending all feminists to an actual rape culture and around actual Muslims would be a fantastic learning experience for them

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy

It would not change a thing, in their minds. They will march along their solipsistic and hypergamic highway taking any inch in any direction they can. You've seen it, we all have. Corner a woman with logic and rational thought (even if you are showing them how to achieve what they want) and they will kick the hamster in the ass to get it spinning faster. If that doesn't work, out come the tears. If that doesn't work, out come the fangs and claws.

[–]hectortamerofwhores2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good luck pulling that shit with Achmed the Terrorist hahahahaha

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy

yes, once hypergamy is unleashed it's very hard to put it away.

but what other options do you have than to try? let islam take over? let all the good parts of American Culture die?

I'm seriously asking what do you think we do?

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

I wish I had an answer for you. The more I see, the more I am actually afraid that our (I'm a "Murkan) culture is completely fucked. People got too greedy in the 80's and 90's and trashed the middle class. The gov't is completely purchased and inefficient. Society is in the gutter and women run the show, burying any male that shows any gumption or backbone in social male shaming and bluepillery. (FB is the most BP feminist platform imaginable and the Tinders and OKCs only promote and allow women to get all the male attention they could possibly imagine with Chad sex on the sly at any given moment) Sure, we can live RP truth and keep the women in our own lives from destroying us but on a national scale we have truly dropped the ball. It will take decades to repair if we can repair it at all whilst battling the economy/job scarcity/male shaming/climate fuckage/oil to sustainable shifts and day to day grind. As for immigration and Muslim culture, hopefully Americans can learn from northern Europe's mistakes, as they unfold in front of our eyes this decade. American women have emasculated their men in a misguided attempt at gaining power. They will have to back up a bit before men will stand up and actually govern correctly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

But shouldn't we start making the stand now?

planting trees whose shade we will never get to sit in and all that

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Sigh...yes. We have no real choice. If we are working towards being true men, men of honor, men of substance, leading men, loving, wise, incredible men, then yes we need to start now. The next question is the difficult one. How? We have left it a bit late. It's like trying to get a RP truth across on FB. Go ahead, try it. You will be buried in an avalanche of feminist vitriol by hambeasts, hotties, and white knights alike. There must be a way that doesn't require a complete meltdown of the social fabric first. I think that's a great topic actually. I'll start...

[–]hores2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Deep down we all know there's a very efficient way to halt the decline, but it takes extreme measures, and probably ones that we aren't ready or willing to sacrifice. The decline will continue, until it becomes unbearable. Bread and circuses, bread and circuses.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think that kind of fear is what is preventing men from being men. You can't be afraid.

Guys like Milo and Gavin are out there grinding it out and converting people left and right. Trump is going as anti-pc as any politician in memory.

[–]RedPillAnonymous1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Let the Muslims put hypergamy away for us. The Muslims aren't strong, the idiots letting them in are the real enemy. Corporations just want cheap labor. Arrogant wealthy fools figure they can lock themselves in cities of wealth and rule Muslims like the Saudis do. When the system letting them in wrecks itself the actual Muslims will be easy to deal with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

you think that's what they want? cheap labor?

lol they already have that. they've uneducated the masses to the point where people are robots, trained to do a single purpose. They have all the cheap labor they need.

this is about destabilization

[–]RedPillAnonymous0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Nobody in power in the history of people in power has ever WANTED destabilization. They just arrogantly greed themselves off the edge of a cliff.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy


Destabilizing the population to make them easier to control is always the inevitability of powerful governments.

You think Merkel went against heavy immigration in 2010 and then turned around and let every refugee in they could because she forgot her original stance?

I don't know why people find it so hard to believe there is a united effort to weaken the public and keep them fighting each other.

We fight over petty social issues and race and gender and ideology while the global elite act with impunity

Brave new world isn't fiction anymore

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

(I would love to see this too but...)

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

True but that doesn't mean men have a duty to protect the current status quo and all its pro women biases

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

No it does not and that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is what ARE we going to do? Islam isn't going to stop. Women aren't going to stop until life gets worse for(It already has gotten WAY WORSE but not in ways they realize).

So what are we going to do?

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Cut your losses until a tipping point is reached. There are two different objectives here: what's best for you ("you" being /u/TheeRyanGrey) and what's best for your group, with group being whatever entity larger than yourself you hold mental loyalty towards; it could be a country, a religion, race etc.

TRP and the manosphere as a whole started as a crowdsourced way to answer the question of what is best for the individual man, i e, how to get sex while avoiding the trips and pitfalls that would steal your independence. Your question deals with the other question, how to save "your group", since you've already solved question one and do not want to give up that solution to solve question two.

So my answer is, firstly, don't try to solve answer two. The status quo as it exists now is incapable of the changes necessary to roll back the problems with feminism/migration/privacy/male prerogatives etc. So don't try and save it. Instead, focus on creating strong men who will be capable of replacing the status quo when it begins to fail in earnest.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why is it incapable?

I'm very active in all forms of media and I see a dramatic change in 2016. I see women, men, gays, blacks, mexicans all uniting under a banner.

So why do you think we are so incapable?

[–]hectortamerofwhores0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Eh, arguably the government shoe-horned feminism into popular media (at least the U.S. gov did, and dropping all the bullshit, aren't we kind of the cultural cutting edge for a lot of countries around the world?), which means that the average dude had very little choice in this development. If the consequences weren't so severe, I'd kind of advocate every RP man just resettling the nearest traditional non-corrupted country and let the (already ruined) western women enjoy the consequences of aiding and abetting a full on societal apocalypse.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

you think islam is going to just stop at America lol

their religion is based on complete and utter victory.

[–]hectortamerofwhores0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's why I said "if the consequences weren't so severe."

[–]lakalahehe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Let that part of the word degenerate then XXX Then live in some other part. Ya and also.... save some tapes of it burning down.

[–]Betamax69166 points167 points  (6 children) | Copy

Wasn't there a bit in one of Bill Burrs routines where he said if there had been feminists on the Titanic they would have twisted their spiky dyed hair into little girl pigtails and ran to the lifeboats. That's what's happening in Europe now.

[–]SantonioHolmes113 points114 points  (0 children) | Copy

"There are no feminists in a house fire." -Bill Burr

[–]1FunAndFreedom23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]Betamax691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep that's what I remembered!

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

He says there's no feminists in a house fire


[–]Betamax691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep that's what I remembered!

[–]G_Petronius 326 points326 points [recovered] | Copy

Don't get fooled by these fake anti-feminists. What they're saying is not that they reject feminism because they understand equality between men and women doesn't exist, but that they dislike the social control that other feminists are imposing on them. That's it.

This girl, for example, isn't truly hearkening back to 17th-century gender roles, only to the parts of them that suit her needs. She doesn't want to go back to subservience to her father or husband, she wants males to defend her from the scary foreigners but leave her free to do as she pleases otherwise. It's the childish attitude of never wanting to be told what to do by daddy but running to him when something scary or bad happens. In this case, she's also asking daddy to please stop letting mommy be mean to her; it's a childish manipulation.

[–]Grasshopper21133 points134 points  (34 children) | Copy

Feminism doesn't want equality. Never has, never will.

[–]CornyHoosier38 points39 points  (32 children) | Copy

Does any group want equality or do they just want to be the best/have more power?

[–]1PrinceofSpades41 points42 points  (17 children) | Copy

Is it possible for humans to be selfless? An individual can be, sure.

But can a society? An entire population?

There will always be those of us who move the pieces to benefit ourselves.

[–]RojoEscarlata19 points20 points  (14 children) | Copy

For humans no, for men yeah. Selflessness, honor, duty are male abstractions and don't exist in the female mind.

[–]Libertarian-Party49 points50 points  (13 children) | Copy

Dont want to break the circlejerk, but many, many men would he happy to fuck over their fellow man if only it meant a higher position in life.

[–]manslutalt29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think the point TRP tries to make is that there are men who wouldn't.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Any dude reading here that hasn't learned it's better to build a neighbor up rather than beat him down isn't very far into his red pill enlightenment and is definitely no where close to being the best version of himself. That mentality is adolescent at best.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think the point TRP tries to make is that there's nothing inherently evil about being that guy, because that guy gets laid more than you, and he gets paid more than you.

[–]icecow4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Selflessness, honor, duty are male abstractions and don't exist in the female mind.

I don't want to break the circlejerk either, but...

Also, these male abstractions are tightly coupled with a lack of mindfulness of understanding how others think, and being chump beta who's in denial of his own situation.

A man who toots his own horn about being Selflessness, honor, duty, etc has a great statistical chance of being a good guy/beta/kill-the-family-then-himself sort of guy. I'm sorry, that sounded like a personal attack on Rojo, I didn't mean that at all, just trying to drive my point.

Of course these are quality traits, but to praise them in isolation and as if they are a solution in themself is problematic.

[–]RojoEscarlata0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Selflessness, honor and duty are not inherently good or bad, just as being a man isn't, as I said thinking that is stupid.

There where men who sacrificed themselves for either heroes or tyrants, for one or other ideal, the men who fought for Stalin, Hitler, Napoleon, etc fought for honor duty, and sacrificed themselves for that person or ideal.

Saying self-sacrifice is "good" or "better" by itself it's idiotic

[–]RojoEscarlata4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

Don't breaking anything, being men doesn't make you inherently good or bad, that's stupid.

Self sacrifice, which honor and duty come from is only a part of male nature, women can't be selfless thanks to solipsism.

And if you quote women sacrificing themselves for children/lovers I'd suggest reading some Nietzsche

[–]callingouthipsters1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women can be selfless but only to their children. The order of love goes men for women, women for children, children for animals. Or, for most SJWs, women for cats, cats for themselves.

[–]peruvianlurker0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Which chapter or essay from Nietzche he adresses woman behavior?

[–]RojoEscarlata2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Which doesn't, he addressed human behavior as a whole and the dichtonomus nature of males and females.

But referencing specifically to solipsism I'm talking about his stance on women's view on their children and what they represent to them in "Beyond good and evil" don't remember in which part exactly, maybe in either "virtues" or "towns and countries"

Read the whole book if you haven't anyway.

Edit: Part 5 on the natural history of morals, 194 excerpt:

"No mother doubts at the bottom of her heart that, in the child, she has given birth to a piece of property; no father questions his right to subject the child to his own ideas and valuations"

As I said anyway read the whole book

[–]Libertarian-Party2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its interesting you say that, I recently just finished reading Nietzsche 's Genealogy of Morality. The only thing he really says about women is that they are at the property and whim of their hisbands, but lord over their children.

[–]_the_shape_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's scattered throughout his work. If I remember correctly, Human All Too Human has an entire chapter titled "Woman & Child" - you can find a great deal there, but definitely not only there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]1Snivellious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. This is game theory as biological principle.

"Selfish" traits exist at low levels through basically every social species, because defecting is profitable when everyone cooperates, and disastrous when everyone defects. People are greedy and dishonest within limits - even tribal societies have these things at low levels.

There's also a lot of debate of whether sociopathy is actually a disorder - there's the low-functioning kind that gets you arrested, but the high-functioning kind is basically just "being a dick because it works". Rates vary wildly between populations (they're quite high in modern cultures compared to tribal ones) but I don't know of any group that has no record of it.

I'm sure you were being rhetorical, but the non-rhetorical answer is still no. There's always going to be some chunk of any 'natural' population that's aggressively selfish.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

I suppose anarchists, by definition, don't really want power.

[–]CornyHoosier3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Only because they feel they have none ... they're anarchists!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

they're anarchists!

If Gary Oldman screamed this out, it would be glorious.

[–]CornyHoosier2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ha ha. I was imagining Kinison


[–]razormachine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe we should start a fundraiser for making that glorious clip.

[–]AmazonExplorer5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's a fundamental mechanic of groups in general. The purpose of creating the American nation is to uplift the American people. It cards only for the people within that group, no concern for those outside it. The purpose of sub groups, be it new atheist, feminist, Catholic, black, is to uplift that group above others.

People within the same group can be selfless with each other, because they all benefit from supporting the group. Helping the group helps themselves. Thus the more intermingled the group becomes and stronger the group is. A group sharing blood and familial ties is stronger than a group united by a vague sense of a ideology.

This is hard to realize because as Westerners we've been indoctrinated from birth that individuality is the sources of our strength. Which it can be, but having strength of community is far more important.

[–]TheColorOfWater3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Group thinking has caused much horror in the world. I prefer individualism.

[–]TheInevitableHulk4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

A mix of both is ideal else you end up with mass industrial age sweatshops or giving all your food away so your "comrade" can get his gvt provided tractor

[–]Grasshopper211 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Does every other group constantly claim to be based on and work exclusively for the pursuit of equality?

[–]InformalCriticism1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Federalist Papers called these groups Factions, and I think it's high time the term returned to common parlance.

[–]hectortamerofwhores0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In case anyone forgot, it was white judges and voters that ultimately ended segregation after the black protesters brought the sheer injustice of it to their attention.

[–]bhobh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know how many times i have said it, "it is not equallity they want, but revenge." - me, just now.... Again

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's always about what will benefit them at any given moment. Then revert back to concentrating on their own agendas; damage to others be damned.

Never, yes...NEVER what is best for all or the greater good.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, she may as well have said "this cake is delicious, but when I eat it it goes away. Men should fix that for me."

[–]RojoEscarlata21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

just women for you, you can't blame them for doing exactly what we expect them to do. Running to men when shit hits the fan is literally one of their evolutionary instinctive impulses.

Think of Mika Brzezinski, she was full on anti Trump before San Bernardino, but after that she felt so scared that she went full on "muh children" that did a complete 180 and became pro Trump.

Feminism wasn't created by women, it's just one of the ugly faces of the multicultural disease that is Marxism, women just happen to be always the ones to fall hardest for the equality meme, like those bonobos communist fuckers.

Which it what it all comes down to, a very dangerous and toxic ideology is being pushed in so many ways and forms that people are so used to that no longer see it.

TL;DR: women vote was a mistake

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Alllahhoooooooakbarrrrr...err... I mean ... umm ... I mean ... ahh .. problem? What problem?

Her: The [muslims] come here, live in ghettos, they don't have Swedish friends, and they have lots of babies and listen to the Imam; and the Imam tells them to have lots of babies so they can take over the country.

Pfft, sounds like Chinatown in New York

'Come on guys ...'

The look on Stefan Molyneux's face...like 'What the fuck did I think by taking her seriously?'


[–]Sdom1-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

17th-century gender roles...

The fuck? In the 17th century you couldn't have lived a red pill lifestyle, either. You'd probably be tied to a lord's land as a serf, or conscripted to fight in one of the many wars Europe was embroiled in at the time.

they dislike the social control that other feminists are imposing on them.

Again, I think you guys are missing Carlqvist's point, which is that Sweden is in the process of committing suicide by Islamic migrant. Also, you guys misidentify the real enemy. Feminism is just a branch on the tree of Marxism. That's the real enemy.

[–]scamper_22 51 points51 points [recovered] | Copy

You really have to screw up real bad as a society to have men thinking like this. I look back at my former self and think yep... how the hell did I end up here. I would have risked my life and be there to take care of women. That was me. How I was raised. Almost instinctual.

Now? The hell am I going to risk my life for such people. I say that, but the reality is I would still take care of my friends sisters... and if that's the case most of these women will still have men protectors.

Heck, even beyond that, extreme groups will come to defend their women!

In either case, I'm almost immune for the ridiculousness of it all. In the sense that most women talk simply to get what they want. When society is safe and you don't really need men... talk to maximize that. When society is unsafe... talk to get that. And she knows it will work a lot of the time. It's pretty rational.

What it isn't in some underlying virtue of a lifestyle, but since when do we expect that? Well I did at one point :P But now... it's sadly clear as day.

[–]StraightGlueWater2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I white knighted for a girl in a "domestic dispute".

She was lowlife scum, and so was her man. Should've left them to their antics. But, I felt I should do the right thing and tell him to leave her alone at the bar.

I got punched in the face and got a 24 hour suspension of my alcohol privileges (this was at a resort) for being involved in an altercation. The dude sucker punched me and his friends escorted him off before I could get a punch in.

The next day I spotted that loving couple together. Neither said anything apologetic to me. No "Thanks for coming to help me." or "Sorry for punching you."

Nope, just a sore jaw and a sober day of vacation. A day to reflect and think "What the fuck, why did I get involved?"

Luckily for me, I learned the lesson then and there. Plenty of white knights learn this lesson on the other end of a gun, and it's the last lesson they learn before becoming white knight corpses.

[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red48 points49 points  (13 children) | Copy

Put simply: "All you betas go die for me, after having supported me all these years in my fiscal cocoon of state payments disguised as 'Salary' I rode the CC, and now I just want an easy few more decades before I die."

I would tell those guys to laugh their asses off, buy a ticket to Thailand, and totally check out, unless they too have found a way to get some easy state money and game women. There is no way I would fight to protect Europe from anyone at this point.

[–]vagbutters15 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy

Couldn't agree more. This is when/where the men of Europe have a chance to make a statement against feminism. Let the whiteknights/beta males sacrifice themselves for some big cause. Protect your own interests and don't aid the feminist whores at all.

[–]worldnewsrager[S] 16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

Honestly, had european men did this 80-years back, marxism would have never infected Europe. I wrote about this just the other day in fact, how this was basically the fault of three generations of western men being annihilated in pointless wars and leaving their progeny in the incapable hands of destitute widows, gay uncles and pacifistic academics.

I actually mentioned at one point that 'short of a virus or epidemic that only affects social-democrats, the average man is just going to have to ride this out.' Maybe this is that virus.

I do believe a renaissance is coming though. The majority of people just aren't happy.

[–]vagbutters13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

The misandry bubble does seem to exist, and I can see rising sentiment lately among all males. When you send beta males off to die and suffer in wars only to come back to their women fucking Chad instead of them, they get pushed further and further to the edge.

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[–]worldnewsrager[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

doesn't sound weird at all, they host the E.U., they've turned it into a puppet union by being the only economy with money, Merkel's influence is apparent in the enforcement of a number of EU 'laws'.

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Don't be naive. If you don't think that the political and capital interests purposely caused migrants to enter Europe en mass to cause this surge in nationalism then you're not reading in between the lines here. Everything that is done on this scale is carefully thought of by people smarter than you or I, designed to influence the hoi polloi.

This is done to influence policies down the line (namely oil interested in the Middle East as of late). It's brilliant, really, but don't think for a second that nationalism breeds conservative values. Kumbaya libertards are just as quick to get manipulated by this fervor as conservatives.

Fuck nations; as I said before, protect your interests

[–]1Jax777899 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Interesting comment.

I am pondering about the future of western Europe and whether to flee or fight.

You are totally right that it is idiotic to fight for feminism and this cunt can go to hell.

However, Western Europe has to be saved. Islam is nothing but utter shit.

What's more, it is a form of feminism in that it organizes mating according to the Pareto Rule ( 80/20), the rest of the men get to marry their cousins, this cause 1) the 85 IQ of Muslim countries 2) a permanent state of war mongering and economic failure.

What happens when the muzzies get control over Western armies and weapon systems ? It is not like you can let it all burn and watch it from the other side of the world. You will flee a problem that will come at you eventually. The muslim problem has to be dealt with before they get too numerous. Past that point it is nuclear WW3.

And in response to several comments below. Sure, the average Euro is a beta cuck but they are far from stupid. Most people today have a negative opinions of muslims, even socialists and "liberals" ; in my country applications for gun ownership have gone through the roof and we are not very gun friendly. People enlist in throngs in defense related activities, even the army here has seen a substantial increase of volunteers. The thing is, they keep their mouths shut lest they be ostracized. NO ONE likes the muslims in Europe except the muslims themselves and some hard core lefties. People are simply fed up and it will only take a few more terrorist attacks and several election cycles to get the show on the road. We will make quick work of these turds.

Beyond that, I think that the entire middle east should be Westernized, by force, in the way Nazi Germany was denazifed after WW2, otherwise these muzzombies will keep coming forever.

[–]hores0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is so much more complex than you describe it to be. Islam in and of itself is not the cause. No religion is. It's the destruction of any given society via corruption of ideals. Invasions by foreigners do not ever create positive sentiment of the invaders from the local populace. And I'm not just talking about the entitled Islamic hordes that E.U. leaders have allowed to stream in through their borders. Coupling Neo-con hawkish war policies with liberal cuckfag openly gay border policies has created the mess that's happening in the E.U.

[–]sickofbeingaffraid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I was younger I would have died for my country. Then, I realized my country wasn't doing anything for me. Worse, it was putting me down. So I stopped giving a fuck about my country. But now, as I don't belong to any group, I have lost my identity which is horrible.

[–]TheGatherHunter103 points104 points  (22 children) | Copy

Yeah, okay. Then when the men are done dying and Sweden is safe, feminism will come right back like it was before.

I hope my Swedish brothers don't buy into this BS and handle the feminist problem themselves, rather than letting that shrill woman deal with it. You can't expect women to handle themselves.

[–]snobocracy96 points97 points  (15 children) | Copy

Feminism is literally AIDS.

These Muslims aren't a problem to deal with. They're superstitious, uneducated, illiterate, dependant on welfare and generally plain dumb to boot.

But our civilizational immune system, which would usually round up these criminal immigrants, has been stunted by feminists who have convinced the world that any form of masculine energy and will to protect your family and nation is evil.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

I prefer what Milo says: "Feminism is cancer."

[–]whenfoom37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy

Holy shit. You're right. The essence of feminism is to make a country a) unable to defend itself b) detached from the roots that made it strong in the first place.

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Someone should just walk in and take over sweden; it wouldn't take much.

[–]Elodrian67 points68 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone already did. That's the problem.

[–]TalesAbound0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly as the puppet-masters of cultural marxism intended.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW1615 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

You got this from /pol/, or at least this was on /pol/.

Anyways, /pol/ is always right, so, carry on, brother.

[–]TRPShill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

beat me to it. pol is home

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Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "/pol/ was right again"

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[–]Dronitto1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

no no, accepting feminism is like fucking someone with aids, knowing it. aids is more like muslim 'refugees', welfare for mothers, bailiff for any man after divorce ecc

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy

Until feminism and feminist attitudes, and SJWs, and all the PC bullshit is dealt with, is the culture worth fighting for?

[–]1neveragoodtime16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly, let's see if she can actually root out feminism and create a society that respects men, and then men will naturally defend the civilization without even being asked. It's like when a girl suggests you clean the bathroom while she cleans the kitchen. 15 minutes later the bathroom is done and she's just sitting there watching TV.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're talking about what happens after a war in a country that survives the war on its own ground. Sadly there is no other way for men to stop this idiocy that is feminism. War isn't on its way, it's here, but it's still rather small.

[–]bluedrygrass5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I hope my Swedish brothers don't buy into this BS and handle the feminist problem themselves,

From what i've seen on various forums, there's close to zero hope on that front. Sweden males are always the one replying with "you may be partially right, but it's not as bad as it seems" "your culture doesn't let you see clearly" "i'm sorry you don't realize how inherently racist that is", and etc. etc. etc.

The brainwashing is total.

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Swedish cultural programming goes deep because it starts so young. Even their children's shows push feminism and multiculturalism hard.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reminds me of the kid on the playground that talks mean shit to bigger kids while he thinks his boys have his back, only to piss and start screaming for them when he turns to find they are nowhere to be found. As soon as he is safe behind his friends again, the shit talking starts again.

What we are seeing in Sweden is the point at which the other kids get tired of this kids loud mouth and stand idly by while he gets the shit kicked out of him.

[–]MrJaggedArray 27 points27 points [recovered] | Copy

Feminists have been the facilitators of immigration. Now let them deal with the consequences.

Many of these newcomers believe that the role of a woman is to stay home and have children. They don't want women to work outside the house or to have an education. They defend their right to beat their spouses to keep them in line. They disfigure or kill their own daughters if they become "corrupted" by western values. And they treat western women as little more than prostitutes due to their lax morals, hence the wave of rapes in northern Europe.

With any luck, the immigrants themselves will destroy the feminist movement, or cause its implosion by demonstrating where feminism and multiculturalism are taking Western society.

Just take a step back and let them fight it out. This could be the bitter medicine our society needed to cure itself.

[–]e2npau51 points52 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think this thread perhaps gives Ingrid a little bit less credit than she deserves.

She was the ONLY journalist in Sweden that spoke up against false rape and pedophilic accusations against men that were running amok in Sweden some 10 years ago.

[–]okkyle7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right. Ingrid isn't exactly Peggy Sue-1950's housewife, but she's not a feminist, she's been railing against SJW's for a while

[–]TheGatherHunter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps she just misspoke, but she showed a sort of gynocentrism that is alarming.

come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe. And when you do, you will also crush feminism! And the women, they will be soooooooo sooooo thankful and grateful for saving europe. for saving their opportunities of being women, and being equal, but not being feminists

She's using the age old manipulation tactic of promising feminine affection for men risking their lives. Do you genuinely believe that gratitude will ever happen? I don't. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if those same men are called racist.

It's all false promises, and this whole situation of men being shamed into solving every problem themselves is anything but equality.

[–]Sdom14 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think this thread perhaps gives Ingrid a little bit less credit than she deserves.

That's putting things mildly.

[–]e2npau1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pehaps a bit of an understatement ...

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s23 points24 points  (11 children) | Copy

Everyone seems to think that the question of Swedish men "stepping up" to save their country is a matter of intent, that they "don't want to" but "should want to". I propose that in the majority of case, it's instead of question of ability.

If the majority of them has been raised and told all their life to be sensitive, caring, "respectful towards women", the masculinity is toxic and violent, an that is a "bad thing", how many do you think would know how to save their country, if they wanted to? Remember the response after Cologne: men went to "march against rape" in miniskirts and high heels. The shaming by women like Carlqvist certainly won't work on the minority who is somehow still masculine (thanks to TRP or other factors), but it also won't work on the majority, because even if they wanted to save Sweden, they wouldn't know how.

It's game over for them, there is no cure. Even if politicians closed their doors to immigration today, you cannot teach men to be masculine overnight, you can't convince native Swedes to reproduce at replacement level and you won't convince the immigrants who are already there to not have large families.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW1621 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy

the question of Swedish men "stepping up" to save their country

Emphasis mine. Sweden no longer belongs to the men, so it's not even their country to save. They have been dispossessed of their ancestral lands. To have ownership first you must have a robust understanding of property rights, both private and public. They've spent decades systematically deconstructing the ideological underpinnings of property rights via socialism. High tax rates and generous social programs basically blur the lines between private property and force everyone into an equitable economic class. Combine that with racial and ethnic guilt/masochism, the Swedes were basically begging to give their country away to anyone who was bold enough to take it from them. They found just such a population in Muslims.

At this point I feel that Sweden ought to be forced to continue their program until they are utterly destroyed. The example of their hubris must serve as a reminder to uncucked European peoples to take better care what they advocate.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very true. It’s a subtle change, and we've gone from an ownership model to a lease model in so many facets of our lives that we don’t even realize the impact. Home ownership is too expensive, everyone rents. Entertainment and media is no longer physical, and everyone is pushing towards the licensing model. Relationships are basically the "leased version” of marriage, and parents (especially fathers) don’t feel like they can have a say in how to raise their own kids. And of course, the migrations happening everywhere means people treat where they live as just a temporary home.

We have quite a bit of science showing that people take more care of what they “own" versus what they are just “leasing”, in all those aspects. So you’re absolutely right, it’s not their country, it’s not their wives and children they would want to protect, it’s not their institutions they would want to preserve. They are all things these men have a passing affiliation with, so why would they even feel the need to care for them?

At this point I feel that Sweden ought to be forced to continue their program until they are utterly destroyed

That’s why I don’t say to people that I oppose the mass migrations. I do for my country of origin, but I fully support more and more migrants coming to Sweden and Germany.

[–]bluedrygrass5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The example of their hubris must serve as a reminder to uncucked European peoples to take better care what they advocate.

Problem is, we already have "similar" examples of societies collapsed and disappered from history after becoming too decadent and progressive. Yes, allowing too freedom to women , becoming too much feminine, losing masculinity, letting themself sink into sexual deprevation.

But all those examples are wasted. History teaches, but nobody listens. And thus, history always repeats itself.

Sweden may burn to the ground, Germany, France, all the socialist countries will simply shrung and say "their fault; they weren't true progressives/socialist/random buzzword".

[–]Sdom11 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So an entire people shouldn't be allowed to save themselves so it can be an example of how right you were? Come on, listen to yourself. And if anything, if they got the ship back on course that's actually more strongly indicative that your ideas were correct.

[–]makeshift981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He said he supports their right to be suicidal maniacs; I do as well. It's only when they learn the cost of their terrible decisions that they will begin to take appropriate action.

[–]Albacorewing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you are right. Centuries from now, historians will remark that in 1975 in Sweden, it was just a question of time till someone laid them low.

[–]Dronitto4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Remember the response after Cologne: men went to "march against rape"

Yeah, german cucks march with heels on, the muslims rapists get no sentence fuckin ridiculous, Europe is crazy, the worst part is i live here.

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's going to get a lot crazier before it's done. A lot of people will die in the fighting, and a lot of those cucks will have to be made an example of because you know they'll work for the other side.

And yes, what I'm saying is horrible, but that's why armies always had the death penalty for deserting. There have always been cucks.

[–]idiocraties0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

not everyone needs to be a leader. Betas get to be cannon fodder, let alphas do the leading. Only need a 20/80 alpha to beta ratio to get this thing started, and we know the betas exist. The alphas are emergent, and betas will be manipulated , as always.

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If the majority of them has been raised and told all their life to be sensitive, caring, "respectful towards women", the masculinity is toxic and violent, an that is a "bad thing", how many do you think would know how to save their country, if they wanted to?

Not all Swedish men are feminine. I've known some who definitely were not. If anything they tend to be big and solid, and all they need is the right motivation. Eventually they're going to be dealing with horrible guerilla warfare in their urban centers, and at that point you'll see a lot of Swedish men be born again hard.

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Give a man a "Why?" and he can bear any "How?"

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Bill Burr: "See what I’m saying? where are all those feminists then? You can’t find ‘em! You have no feminists in a house fire. You can take the most hardcore feminists. You know some chick right in your face. “You chauvinistic son of a bitch”, you know. Little short little haircut, you know. Second those flames break out, she’ll twist those little hairs into little pigtails. “Ooo. I’m just a girl. I wanna go play jump rope.”

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There are no feminists in foxholes.

[–]eddiae13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy

this is just a male fantasy of the savior that will come back and save the day, women are too busy getting fucked and drunk in clubs to see whats happening in europe, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDSwTQHZGZM

[–]okkyle9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

Damn man, something about that video is very demoralizing. I'm not German, but goddamn. What have Western men allowed their women to become?

[–]BlackMwoyo3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

From a sad African I'm telling you they've allowed them to become whores.

[–]PowerVitamin5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Let's all be fair, the American ghetto has been a foreshadowing of these events 10 years earlier. The black man had to go through feminism and the red pill before the white man.

[–]2Overkillengine6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

We can all thank Welfare for that. Women have always had to choose between men in the archetypes of "Daquan" and "Carlton".

Before welfare, choosing Daquan meant risking abject poverty and starvation in exchange for being able to ho it up. Choosing Carlton meant at least some economic security in exchange for acting like an acceptable wife.

After welfare, a woman effectively gets paid to ho it up with Daquan and does not have to act like a good wife. Carlton only gets Rosy Palmer until he gets fed up and decides to change his name to Daquan too.

Modern welfare is dysgenic.

[–]BlackMwoyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

True and funny enough the Alpha's still came out of the situation you describe. They don't want to be a part of a body count.

[–]dudet230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are misunderstanding what he is saying. He is saying that white women are all race traitor whores these days. Because white men let them. He probably knows from personal experience.

[–]randarrow15 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy

"...all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!'... and I'll whisper 'no.'"

[–]SatanAscending0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

That rings a bell. Where was it from?

[–]worldnewsrager[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

sounds like its a play on the line from 300 "those in the rear cried FORWARD!... those in front cried "baaaaaaaaaack!"

[–]SatanAscending1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Uncle Google delivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGlsxZk3jis

Should have done that from the start to be honest.

[–]randarrow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Figured the joy of finding it was more important than my giving it away.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

I feel like women have an almost Biological need to cause problems for men. The more problems they cause the more opportunities they have for assessing men's problem solving skills.

The classic example is: That guy did x to me (after I lead him on) you should do something about it.

The problem is that feminism has made women not worth the prize. So now women can deal with the consequences of their actions up to and including getting culturally enriched by Mohammed and friends on the streets of Stockholm.

[–]okkyle13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy


Men love peace and calm. They know they're less at risk under peaceful conditions and can direct their energies to more constructive pursuits.

Women subconsciously love conflict. Conflict allows women to find out who the winners are.

[–]StraightGlueWater2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women love drama in their lives. Many women derive a sense of value and importance from the drama in their lives, and they also get off on pretending they are above the drama.

It's so overdone that it's hardly worth making fun of anymore; the trope of the girl who claims to hate drama yet revels in it and creates it at any point possible.

[–]MakeEmSayAyy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's some really good theorizing that seems true.

The current theory is that they want strange dick and DNA but I think you might be right.

It's probably a little of both factors.

[–]razormachine76 points77 points  (112 children) | Copy

"yea.. and i can kinda understand that attitude (rolls eyes), but.... come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe.

Well she obviously does not understand. She says man should shape up... like this is some small problem and man should just snap out of it. Woman always take men for granted. If a woman is in danger, man should help her out, if a country is in danger, men should throw away their lives to save the country.

But that doesn't work that way because...

And for what?

Yup... it takes a reeeeeeeealy good reason for somebody to risk his life.

During WW2 16 000 000 americans served overseas. Number of deserters = 20 000. Only 1 in 800 of the soldiers had deserted. During Vietnam War 2 709 918 americans served in Vietnam. Number of deserters = 50 000. 1 in 54 of the soldiers had seserted. Man were drafted for those two wars. Man for Afganistan and Iraq weren't drafted they were profesional militaryman. It is hard to calculate the number of deserters in those two wars for a number of reasons, but I did dig out this: "According to Wallace, in the summer of 2005, more than 18% of the soldiers in their first six months of service left under one of those four provisions."

If WW3 started tomorow... a total war that drafts milions of man to die for their country. How many man from US, Germany, France, UK, Sweden... would be willing to participate.

Lets just take a moment to see what western man have at the stake.

  1. Man go to war and die. Western society is saved, females can still be equal, they are free to ride dick until they are in the 30's then marry a beta guy and cheat on him and divorce him for his money. Also as an added + SJW's get another reason to bash man.

  2. Man do nothing. Islam takes over the west. Western man convert to Islam. We have to stop eating bacon and can't drink anymore. "Ladies" however... they have to wear those hijabs and make us sandwitches.

Now I do love bacon... but not that much.

[–]Grasshopper2137 points38 points  (30 children) | Copy

This is the weirdest avocation of Islam

[–]razormachine43 points44 points  (21 children) | Copy


Traditional western society > Islam society > Feminist western society

Feel free to correct me on this one.

EDIT: corrected the symbols.

[–]bluedrygrass10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

How about "neither one"? Both socialistic and islamistic societies are simply unlivable. I don't think you have any idea of how shitty islamic countries are. The corruption, the nepotism, the sheer violence, the laziness, the paranoia, the inbreeding.

Why do you think islamists are so eager to go live in western countries? Because it's a better life to be a hobo in the western than an average citizen under an islamic state.

[–]razormachine6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well... I was joking about the whole living in Islamic state shit. But I still think that it is better for a man to live in an islamic state then in a feminazi-socialistic state.

Yeah, Islamists are eager to go and live in western countries. But western countries hand out money to them, they do not hand out money to european man. They generaly avoid EU countries that do not hand out money, and free housing to them (you should have seen how scared they were on the prospect of getting stucked in those countries).

What I was serious about was not fighting for those countries if they refuse to change their policies regarding man. If I for instance lived in Sweden... and the goverment was like "young man should go to war and die for their country, but we are still keeping our precious system" I would say go f... yourself, pack my bags and leave to another country where man are appreciated.

Backslash in Sweden has happened, and it is happening all over the EU. Me and countless other man are fighting for the changes. But it has yet to be seen if those changes are just temporary.

[–]Grasshopper219 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your symbols are backwards

[–]TacoNinjaSkills8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy

Feminist western society doesn't want to imprison or kill me for being an atheist...so there is that.

[–]razormachine7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

We will make our own Islam in which you will be severly shamed for being an atheist and not joining the exclusive club of "happy extremist bearded guys who treat woman like shit and have a fucking great time".

All you have to do is lie that you do so because of religion.

You will change your mind... in time.

[–]PowerVitamin-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's kind of called Christianity. If you read the Bible, it's 100% misogynistic by today's standards. It also discourages vice and decadence.

EDIT: I am mostly referencing the old testament. The new testament, Jesus, can be read as a more beta male, in a sense. But regardless of your views on Jesus, the bible created the strongest culture on earth.

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[–]Sdom13 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Go read about what happens when ISIS takes over a Christian village. BIG FUCKING HINT - the men are not usually offered the opportunity to convert. They watch their wives and children be raped, and are killed in front of them. Yeah, that's so much better than Trigglypuff.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It's the same religion anyway, just a different version. 1.1 judaism. 1.2 christians. 1.3 islam.

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

See, that's the thing - that's actually the opposite of the truth. Christianity is supposed to be descended from Judaism, but really it's a combination of the old eastern mystery cults (Mithraism, etc), Roman Paganism for the structure and holidays with some Zoroastrianism sprinkled in. If you actually look at the religious structures, Judaism and Christianity are extremely different other than a belief in Yahweh. Christians are only supposed to use the Old Testament for historical background.

And Islam is even more different. Mohammad only had glancing familiarity with Jews and especially Christians. Islam, like Christianity before it, uses Judaism for legitimacy as it's also monotheistic, but actually draws much more on Arab paganism and traditional culture for actual beliefs and practices. For example, during the hajj they circle the Kaa'ba a certain number of times, throw stones at a pillar, etc. Many of these rituals were pagan in origin.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Of course, there's been all kinds of crazy shit mixed in. The root of it is the same thing, the rest is extra bullshit tacked on to the root bullshit.

That anyone believes that shit is very amusing to me. Obviously xenu and DC 9 shaped spacecraft are the true facts...

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But that's the thing, the roots really aren't the same. They SAY they're the same, but if you look at the actual structure and practice of the religions, and what they believe, they're not.

Christianity is built from mithraism, zoroastrianism, and Roman and Germanic paganism.

Islam is built from the pagan beliefs that existed in Saudi Arabia at the time.

Both are monotheistic, and thus claim to either descend from (Christianity) or predate (Islam) Judaism. Yeah, that's right, Muslims believe Islam was the original religion, which is why they don't say a convert converted, they say he reverted.

[–]throaway1248gn-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

If certain theories on the origins of knighthood are to be believed, traditional Occidental society grew out of the traditions of Islamic society.

[–]Sdom14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

What certain crackpot theories are these? Occidental society grew out of the classical Roman and Greek traditions with heavy Germanic influences.

Even a passing familiarity with both cultures will tell you just how different they are. There's no way they came from the same source.

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If we are to consider ourself even remotely educated, those certain theories have as much to do with reality as feminist theories about female superpowers.

[–]MakeEmSayAyy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hahahahaha girl superpowers lmao what a joke

[–]Sdom1-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Read between the lines. He can just join the invaders and they'll do the fighting for him. He doesn't have to fight them OR the feminists that way. He's willing to trade bacon and booze for that. Little does he know that historically it didn't generally work that way when Islam took over. Often they weren't willing to accept conversions because it destroyed their tax base (the jizya). He'd just watch them rape all the women and endure a life of slavery or be slaughtered.

EDIT: In other words, I'll take feminism over Islamic domination any fucking day. Feminism is much easier to beat back. A feminist isn't going to blow herself up in a market.

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Well the part about fighting for feminist society was serious.

The part about just letting Islam take over was more of an joke.

On a serious-serious note, if Islam threat became a major concern (currently in Sweden it is) if my country makes a serious turn to the right... to a more traditional society, and starts value man more I would fight.

If my country stays feminist, or takes the stance "lets turn right until this is all over". I would pack up my bags and leave.

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if Islam threat became a major concern (currently in Sweden it is) if my country makes a serious turn to the right... to a more traditional society, and starts value man more I would fight.

But that's the thing, "if, if, if." That's why Sweden is paralyzed. You don't want to put the cart before the horse. If the Swedish men collectively said "this shit is OVER," and kicked the Muslims out, their women would fall in line.

Women don't fall in line for weak men, so waiting for them to fall in line BEFORE you do something is never going to happen. That's what Carlqvist is saying and a lot of the guys in here are missing.

Look, if you wanted to sum up the Red Pill in one sentence, it's that women don't respect weak men. They are PROGRAMMED to select for strength, both mental and physical. Right now, Swedish men are sitting idly by as another group of men takes over their country. Of course their women don't respect them and act all feminist. They HAVE to grow dicks because their men seem to have cut theirs off.

[–]Sdom11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's also why their pussy dries up if you allow them to boss you around - if they can dominate you, what the hell would happen if you had to step up and defend her and your children? Would you buckle? Would you let them do as they wish because you're scared?

Women that selected for strength were the ones that survived and reproduced. Genetics is destiny.

[–]razormachine0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The keyword is "collectively". I'm not just sitting on my ass and doing nothing. And my country is not a target for immigrants, we do not hand over fat checks or housing, it was only a transit point.

The problem is that so many of our man had turned into "white knights" that at the beginning it was impossible to make a change.

A part of swedish man had also risen, but at the begining the media bashed them so hard with false news... they made them look like fucking monsters.

Myself... I was pretty loud on my opinion. We need to put up a barbed wire fence, and screen the immigrants. We couldn't just not let them pass, because at the time German leadership actually invited them.

At the beginning I received bashing, but I did not gave I fuck... I held my ground. Everything changed after the attack on Paris.

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I wasn't really referencing you, more talking about Sweden. If even half of their young men rose up and said, this ends today and we'll hang as many people from lampposts as we need to until it changes, it would end.

Their women think they're hard asses, but you'd be surprised how supposed hard assed women melt away before a man who gives zero fucks what they want. They instinctively know not to challenge them without male backup.

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Yes I agree. Even if half of them would rise up, say fuck you and started doing some serious shit things would change pretty fast. After all the Swedish police force is weak... they can't even hold people in check. A number of man can easily even pull coup d'etat.

The real power of the state lies in the fact that the state has the force in its disposal. Feminists are strong because politicians who are dependent on the votes are eager to please woman population. If you take out the whole 1 person 1 vote thing... feminist over night become nobody.

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Yep. The big problem in Sweden is, at this point, the majority of men still back up the feminists.

I am not sure I see a way out for Sweden, in all seriousness. I think people there are so brainwashed that by the time enough of them wake up, they won't have the numbers OR the weapons to dislodge the Muslims. Also, the Swedish government has tried very hard to purge the police forces and military of straight white men, and recruit women and Muslims. That move is making a lot of sense now, right?

I'll guarantee that there are a ton of weapons already among the Muslim community in Sweden, and a very disproportionate number of them are fighting age men, as opposed to an aging Swedish population. Also, and I hate to say this as an American, if we don't get a handle on things over here, I could see a Democratic president intervening on behalf of the Muslims in a Swedish civil war, just like we did in Serbia.

[–]Terapia_Tapioco26 points27 points  (21 children) | Copy

Man do nothing. Islam takes over the west. Western man convert to Islam. We have to stop eating bacon and can't drink anymore. "Ladies" however... they have to wear those hijabs and make us sandwitches.

Well, since Islam is not centralized like Catholicism, in theory we can still invent our own brand of Islam which doesn't forbid pork and alcohol.

There already are some shari'a schools who don't forbid beer or drugs because the Qur'an only mentions wine, so I guess we could manage to find other loopholes in the system for our convenience.

[–]razormachine7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not only that we could manage to find loopholes in the system, but we would find shitloads of loopholes in the system :D

[–]Dronitto5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fighting feminism with islam is like fighting cancer with getting a stroke

[–]MakeEmSayAyy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well no, you'd still have cancer.

Islam DOES remove the feminist. It's like getting rid of a splinter on your finger by cutting off your entire arm, I'd say.

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Most muslim people <30 in first world countries already do this. My families muslim but all my guy cousins do whatever.

[–]razormachine2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Bosnian muslims certainly do not give a shit about most of these rules.

They drink alcohol and eat pork.

[–]sharp71 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hah funny. I met a bosnian muslim girl. She was a complete fuck girl. All sorts of crazy drug problems and shit.

[–]razormachine4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I live in a country just next to bosnia. Bosnian girls are famous for giving pussy like there is no tomorow :)

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They drink alcohol and eat pork.

True of alcohol, but most Bosnians I know don't eat pork.

[–]razormachine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not regularly... but throw them some pršut and watch the results :)

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

in theory we can still invent our own brand of Islam which doesn't forbid pork and alcohol.

And you would be branded heretics and slaughtered. Learn more about the history of Islam, their sectarian conflicts are brutal.

[–]Terapia_Tapioco0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah I know. It's not like I was being serious.

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry, sometimes I can't tell anymore.

[–]Terapia_Tapioco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't need to apologize, it can happen.

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Eh, a lot of the fighting is actually tribal/ethnic but religion is interwoven with it, as it has always been with Middle Easterners. A huge part of the problem in the ME is that the tribes were never broken as they were in Europe and other places. You can't have real nation states or the like without moving past tribalism. The Ottomans and later the British exploited this for their benefit and those borders persist into the present day.

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[–]razormachine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Woman would still have the right to opinion on any matter.

They would just lose the right to express that opinion.

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As the first generation you might be able to do whatever you want due to retaining your current mindset, but your children and grandchildren will consider themselves fully Muslim and will probably be more devout.

[–]Terapia_Tapioco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, probably. My comment was tongue-in-cheek anyway.

[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just say that the continental US is like Bahrain.

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I personally would never fight in any war unless that war was on my doorstep.

[–]CornyHoosier5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not really about theocracy. Thanks though.

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i actually teetered on titling this post 'former-feminst surprised and indignant that European men don't rise to save her and the culture she helped create that doesn't value, reward, nor satisfy them." But opted to just go with the quote.

Not to harangue your figures, but those were recruits that probably never even saw combat, they just went AWOL. Figure a week for reception, 9 weeks for training, another 9-14 weeks for AIT and that's 4 or more months right there. OSUT Infantry (for the Army, which combines uninterrupted BCT&AIT at a single location) is 14 weeks. Then you need all your JRTC-deployment training which was a couple weeks where you were hanging in the lurch.

I wasn't infantry, I was in aviation and I never deployed, so I'm not certain, but I was pretty sure no one was assigned and reported to a deployed Unit without JRTC training or some additional form of preparatory training. I'd have to ask my friend who was infantry and deployed in Iraq around that time to be sure though.

Most of that 18% is probably just training drop-outs and medical-chapters, not actually people that 'deserted.' I could be wrong though. I know we lost at-least 25% of the dudes in my BCT company and a handful in AIT aswell.

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"i actually teetered on titling this post 'former-feminst surprised and indignant that European men don't rise to save her and the culture she helped create that doesn't value, reward, nor satisfy them." But opted to just go with the quote."

Well that sums it up pretty nicely.

About the figures yup the deserters of WW2 and Vietnam are mostly guys who avoided draft. But still they are guys who "refused to serve".

Numbers for Afganistan and Iraq are really hard to calculate. I should have been more clear 18% was for soldiers who left Iraq in the first 6 months, and that was at the peak. A number of them had real reasons like health issues, and a number of them used any excuse to get out. The realistic figures are probably around 5% overall... again it is hard to calculate the numbers.

But this is profesional military. The real question is "if there was a total war tomorow, and countries started drafting young man en mass... how many would avoid drafting/desert".

In US military are man who wanted to join the military. If there is a draft then you are calling the average able americans.

And there is a great experiment on my mind. US military sends 10 000 drafting notices to 10 000 able americans to join the fight in Siria (as a joke) and counts the number of man who actualy show up.

The situation in EU is even worse then in US.

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then you are calling the average able americans.

the average amreican is too fat and out of shape to serve. pentagon describes it as reflexes of a 25 year old fighter pilot, physical shape of a 60 year old smoker.

pentagon has known about it for a while, hence the focus on drones

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Wasn't the Pentagon, you're referring to Mission: Readiness' Too fat to fight report. Yea that was pretty damning, I actually wrote a blog about it, intertwined with the abysmal public school figures and the drug-war. That was probably 3-years ago, and fuck all has been done. Even back then it was so bad that the Army instituted a school to enlist men on warrant, put them through a GED course prior to BCT. U.S. is literally scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel regarding recruits. There's a reason why there's been a shift if relaxing of drug-policy and why they opened up all those MOS' to women a couple years back, and have been pushing for the women to now register with Selective Service, there's just no longer a large enough pool of male candidates.

Apparently there are consequences for locking up two generations of kids on felony drug convictions: they can't join the army.

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Apparently there are consequences for locking up two generations of kids on felony drug convictions: they can't join the army.

If there was a great need they would drop that low like a hot piece of metal. The more important question is just how much they would be interested in joining the war effort. Because even if you take a man, dress him up in a uniform, train him and give him a rifle. If his morale is low he will be one shitty soldier.

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There is a great need, i assure you. I can only really speak about the Army, but since 2003, the standards of recruiting have been slashed into the core.

Yes, you're correct that if we had a major-conflict or something, they could always fall back on the draft, but the issue is the army, in particular, doesn't want to mess with that and it's for the reasons you outline. That's why they've enjoyed the 'all volunteer army' for a few decades, and when they had such a plentiful crop of recruits, such that they could be discerning, it was all the better. That no longer exists though.

The army is essentially shoe-horning volunteers into service that, even 10-years ago, they'd have never given a second look at. waiver after waiver after waiver. It used to be, that they could just go set up near a local high-school, talk to some kids, enlist them on split-ops and that'd be that. no fuss. The drug-war, and the militarization of public-schools, which is a by-product of the war on drugs, have dried that up. Add in entitlement culture circling like a buzzard, and you're where we are now.

You have kids now that feel entitled to 10-years of secondary and p-secondary education, who think that not only should the education be free, but everything else along with it. Plus a stipend for spending cash, less they become 'burned out' by so much studying. And this is before they 'give back' in anyway. It has become the view, that simply being in college, IS giving back. They want a blank-check for 10-years or more of subsidized existence, and the notion that they be asked to do anything constructive in the interim is sacreligious.

Regarding the army, the standards have dropped now to the point that soldiers are being required to read and write book-reports, because their levels of grammar and comprehension have been judged to be so low across the board that their ability to document and communicate effectively is debilitated. And these are the guys that are going to be managing the brunt of the day to day operations of the Army in 5 or 6-years. Much less war-fighting.

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I think that the major problem is that man enter the world of grown ups when it is already too late. They had fully formed before they had to take responsibilities, work... and other things grown-ups have to do.

In ex-Yugoslavia man had to join the Army at the age of 18, and the army was strict. They had to serve for 3-5 years.

That sistem created some pretty tough guys, and everything worked just fine even though we were a socialistic system with equal rights.

Basically military would straighten up all the spoiled self-entitled brats. Even man who were brought up by single moms were real man after serving the term.

Maybe this system should be implemented all over the western world.

Press all 18yo man into service for a 1-2 years, collage can wait.

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Too bad, I remember my old chiefs talking about judges telling them a tour of duty or a jail cell was the options for many

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[–]worldnewsrager[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

there were a number of legitimate debilihatating injuries. Shin-splints for instance. We lost more recruits over shin-splints than anything else. I was amazed by it. 3/4's of the guys that were medical chapters were for shin-splints.

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Places of the world where they can't eat bacon = Muslim / Jewish dominated Middle East and Africa

Places of the world in a state of perpetual war and social/economic disquiet = Muslim / Jewish dominated Middle East and Africa


[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bacon is love. Bacon is life.

If I couldn't have bacon, I'd want to fly a plane into a building too.

[–]useyourmouth6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Your willingness to submit to Islam is straight from Michel Houellebecq's predictions in his novel, Submission.


[–]Dronitto4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

yeah, thats what awaits most of Europeans at this point

[–]worldnewsrager[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

well, technically, then it would be the second time a middle-eastern religion took over Europe. Norse and Gaels weren't historically known for their creation of Christianity if you get my drift.

[–]razormachine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well I was talking theoretically. "It is better to accept Islam then fight for feminist society".

In reality things are not so grim. The socialists had pull the whole EU too far to the left, they didn't cared about the opinions of citizens who elected them to represent their wishes.

The minds of the people are flexible, and as a result the whole EU is experiencing a hard turn to the right. This immigrant crisis may be the best thing that had happened to us because it is returning us to more traditional values.

The feminists-socialists turn out to be quite dumb after all because they failed to acknowledge that their actions would result in a backslash.

The Muslims who thought that EU countries will simply pay thousandths of euros to invaders until they are practically assimilated by their numbers were also wrong.

Just about everybody ignored the possibility of the backslash.

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or 3. Man fights islam and feminism at the same time, and defeats them both. This notion that muslims will convert us all is silly. They can't convert anyone except illiterate impoverished middle-easterners. They come to the west and fail to win over any western men so they end up living in ghettos. No one wants to employ them, no one wants to fuck them, no one wants them period. You can't conquer a civilisation when you're physically, mentally, culturally and militarily inferior.

The only thing propping up the islamic problem is western feminism, which is on its last legs.

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It's harder to convert a middle eastern Christian to Islam than it is to convert a white person.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

They can't convert anyone except illiterate impoverished middle-easterners

Not entirely true, there are quite a few westerners who converted, I believe it's the religion that sees the most people converting into it. It's not large scale yet, but the other thing to take into account is that vast migrations like this one actually do impoverish an weaken the host country. If you are a young man living in France, for example, your job prospects are actually pretty bad (not entirely the cause of large-scale immigration, but it certainly hasn't helped). A man who can't get a job will look for economic opportunities in crime, and guess what groups are currently established in the criminal underworld?

I don't want to be defeatist, I don't think all will be bad, but some countries are, in my opinion, beyond saving. Sweden certainly is one, France might be another, and Germany is making great strides in that direction.

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Germany, I can't think of a more karmic kick to the balls in history.. Nearly one hundred years of building up its cultural identity, unification, and the rise and fall of the fascist party..

Now you have white cucks like that idiot pierre vogel converting to Islam and let Muslims take control of their culture. Had a friend living in Germany and apparently it's "not PC" to stand up while taking a piss now (although I think he was living with leftist morons).

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lol ffs... so don't wildly piss on their toilets like your dick is a raging firehose. We here in the U.S. solved this 'problem' a generation or two ago without asking men to sit like dainty faggots while taking a piss: WIPING THE SEAT OFF. It even gave rise to humorous crafts for women to knit and embroider, and it is so prolific and engrained in the consciousness, it is now cliche' with more direct https://www.flickr.com/photos/passiveaggressive/3336069677/

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I mean, this was kind of brought on Germany by the deals that the UK made with Zionists and Americans. Either way, Germany was severely punished for WW1, even tho it was started by Austria, and severely punished for WW2 even though, Stalin was the one with the death camps and the countries invaded by Germany preferred the Nazi occupation to communism. The countries that traded with Germany off these, anglo-zionist sanctions, found them to be the most fair. There is even talk of this PC culture, filled with vice and decadence starting with jewish academics in Berlin. It all really comes down to a couple of colonial superpowers afraid of Germany's ability to grow so insanely strong in a miraculously short timespan. Hitler is said to have asked for peace with Britain, about 5 or 6 times. And refrained from returning bombs on British cities after German civilians were bombed because he did not think the UK was Germany's enemy. But, alas, all these colonial (semi-globalist) powers of Britain and France decided to ally with the globalists and thwart the potential popular dominance with Germany as a super power. So, now you have inherited the culture and philosophy of decadence, vice, and anti-nationalism. In the same manner, since the winners write history, nationalism has been blamed for the wars in Europe and will continue to take blame as long as the current winners still control the media, academia, cathedral, hollywood, centers of power.

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apparently it's "not PC" to stand up while taking a piss now

It's bad but don't think that bad. Maybe in Sweden.

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I don't want to be defeatist, I don't think all will be bad, but some countries are, in my opinion, beyond saving. Sweden certainly is one, France might be another, and Germany is making great strides in that direction.

I don't want to be a defeatist either. I made this post just to show why man are not willing to fight for what I consider a lost cause. My country is on a list of EU countries that are beyond saving. We are... so deep in shit that not even the muslims want to invade us.

My plan is simply to abandon the sinking ship. Countries do not matter, people do. It is wrong to try to keep young people in a country that is beyond saving as much as it is wrong to keep them on a sinking ship.

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Come to the US then and fight the good fight here

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Women will always follow the strong men, if western men get their balls back, this will rapidly defund and de-recruit the feminist ranks to a very small number of hardcores, who can be ignored.

Rejoice, men, the misandry bubble will burst, particularly according to part 3(a) of the four horsemen of male emancipation as mentioned in that seminal blog post. "The irony is that the group that was our enemy in the War on Terror will be indirect yet valuable allies in the 'War on Misandry'. "

Read it again, its always worth it. http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

2020 is the year boyos, count on it.

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Yeah but look at the way of life over there aside from a few major cities (if you come from money).

Nevermind the fact that you can bet your ass you'll be treated as a second class citizen (if that, probably more likely a slave) if you're a white or black non-muslim.

[–]razormachine1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm atheist. But I'm totally willing to act like I'm Muslim.

Like a lot of Christians and Muslims do today anyway.

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You'll be second class citizen/slave status regardless if you're a white ethnic european.

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[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, but that was what, 50,000 years ago? We've all changed and evolved since then.

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All of you relax. I was joking about living in an Islamic state.

The serious part is that man are not willing to sacrifice themself for a feminist society. If there was a serious Islam threat man will fight for the society if that society changes to better suit them. If it doesn't they are more likely to simply run away.

Just look at the Syria. a country of 22 000 000 people it has a young population, so I would guess that about 6-7 milion man are war-able. And the number of combatants is low... about 600 000 man, part of them are foreign fighters. If young Syrians had taken up arms and join one of the sides they would crush the remaining three sides in a month or two.

But majority of them does not see any of the causes to be worth of dying for. 4 000 000 of them... mostly young man had left Syria. Why fight for society that doesn't appreciate young man, and only sees them as meat for their war-machine?

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[–]Ducksfornipples22 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

But Jews are Caucasian. Same with Arabs

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[–]Ducksfornipples20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Semites are a subset of Caucasians

[–]razormachine2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I have to disagree. If Islam takes over the Europe Jews are in some deep shit.

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

A lot of European Jews found themselves supporting Islamic immigration because they believed that any anti-islamic backlash would be like what happened to the Jews in the Middle Ages, and could lead to those things happening to them again.

So, in other words, even a really high-IQ population can make decisions that might be tactically understandable, but are disastrous long-term.

I don't think there was some big conspiracy, though, I just think they reacted and didn't consider the long term effects.

[–]razormachine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is certainly a possibility. I know that they had supported muslim immigration, and in some countries they are already paying a hefty price for that since...

Jews were the first one who used whining to get anything they wanted. But now they had fallen out of favor.

If a SJW has to chose between a muslim and a jew, it will chose a muslim because jew has a higher priviledge.

[–]bluedrygrass-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nope. Jews are in the most powerful positions. In the worst case, they could always fly in to Israel. And maybe throws some hundreds nukes around.

Anyway they don't really care about some fatalities. What matters most is the eradication of the White race. At any cost. Even at the cost of destroying the whole planet, if necessary.

[–]razormachine1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

France and UK have nuclear missiles. Do you really think that it is a smart idea to let Europe be overruned by Islam... leaving Israel literally surrounded by Islamic states that now have a nuclear arsenal at their disposal.

Come up with a better theory.

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a theory. And France and Uk are ruled, directly or indirectly, by jews trough masonry. Anyway it doesn't matter because the primary objective is the white race, at any cost.

[–]rundownweather5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Nice try kebab, but I'm wise to your tricks. You'll get removed yet.

[–]razormachine5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Never tried one. Also I'm an Atheist.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You should try a lamb kebab. Pretty good stuff.

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be careful bro, it might turn u muslim.

[–]razormachine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I will wrap in up in bacon strips just in case ;)

[–]Ducksfornipples20 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

genocide is so edgy.. or if it's banter then yea i laughed

[–]Linoran0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As a libertarian I can't accept that but you make a valid point.

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Lebanon has the largest Christian population statistically in the Middle East. Not long ago it was majority Christian. Calling it a Muslim country isn't exactly accurate.

[–]enfier0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In 2005 the DoD was doing Force Shaping and it was easy to leave if you didn't want to stick around. You'd just go tell your commander that you'd rather not be in the military and a few months later you'd be a civilian. This was combined with a push to get rid of the low performers and troublemakers, what had previously been forgivable became a one way ticket out of the military.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Islam taking over would be another dark age in human existence. Even the moderate ones are as scientifically illiterate as creationists in the US. Mysticism, superstition, and mythical bullshit guide muslims. They say they're scientific, but they're not.

Almost married an Arab, so I had to learn their religion and become one. Lots of what you hear is wrong, but lots of it is right and a lot is vastly understated.

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Remember the Costa Concordia, the cruise ship that sunk off an Italian coast? When it was time to abandon ship, men were pushing women out of the way to get to the lifeboats.

An Australian mother and her young daughter have described being pushed aside by hysterical men as they tried to board lifeboats. Another woman passenger agreed, “There were big men, crew members, pushing their way past us to get into the lifeboats.” Yet another, a grandmother, complained, “I was standing by the lifeboats and men, big men, were banging into me and knocking the girls.” Guys aboard the Costa Concordia apparently made sure the age of chivalry was good and dead by pushing it over and trampling on it in their heedless rush for the exits.

Feminists have always wanted women to be treated no differently than men. Yet when a disaster strikes, many feminist bloggers were criticizing the men for not being men. Not stepping up, being weak, etc. We’re equal, so why should a man lose a place to a woman? Why should a man have to help a woman when he’s in danger, too? That’s why feminism largely destroyed chivalry. If women are as good as men, then why should men be honorable to help? Why should men now suddenly need to "step up" to save Sweden?

[–]nyklippt31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ingrid is one of the most vocal person in Sweden against Islamism so she's not some silly damsel in distress.

As a journalist she was not some leftish feminist, if anything she was the opposite. I would say she was MRA before the term was widely spread. In the early 90s she wrote abut false reports of pedophilia and incest (usually it was custody battles gone ugly) and the miscarriage of justice that followed.

It was an ugly thing with corruption spreading all the way from the social services and psychotherapists using dubious methods, such as repressed memories which in reality is more like planted memories to police using false statements and judges that sent men to jail without evidence.

She's done a bunch of other stuff aswell, such as creating a new press society for free speech and a online newspaper that's very anti-islam.


[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

For those interested, Stefan's question starts at 44:24, her answer starts at 45:54.

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Are any of us surprised that women are solipsistic and when push comes to shove turn to men for sheltering and provisioning?

Islamic 3rd world "refugees" are running roughshod all over Europe and they were invited in and helped along the way by Globalist bankers. Why? Because Europe is the costliest place in the world to do business. They protect local cottage industries and they have strong labor representation across the board. In Germany, for example, corporations are legally obligated to have labor represented on corporate boards. It's called co-determination.

All these smaller, homogeneous nations you had low unemployment rates, decent standards of living and heavy labor solidarity. Now what you have is a large welfare class that will vote for whomever promises them the most freebees. Power is wrested away from the homogeneous voting block. Furthermore, these refugees bring a theocratic brand of fascism with them that sanctions totalitarian state power and control. These refugees are voting in their candidates, along with the help of idiot SJW allies.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild famously said "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes it's laws"

Feminism provided globalists with the social narratives they needed to get Europeans to vote starkly against their interests by promoting the message that they were all terrible people, guilty of racism and sexism who needed to cede their long fought for and hard won societies to peoples of the third world as recompense for "colonialism". The not so funny irony here is that the very people who are facilitating Europe's demise are the descendants of those that started and ran the East India Company and most other global shipping and colonization efforts.

We're all quite aware of how well funded feminists are. Now we are seeing why - what the end game is - for flushing out feminism with cash, consolidating global media and populating it with hardline feminists, and donating richly and politically supporting the idiocy of post modernism in academia.

Its all about destroying societies and making sure people are dependent on the government for survival so those governments can be strictly controlled via a desperate voting block.

Look at Trump's campaign. Large money interests have facilitated a coordinated effort to disrupt his rallies with violence. Then the media blames Trump instead of those organizing said violence. Why? Because both the media and the violent gangs are controlled by the same financial interests.

This is the fucking world we live in.

So of course all this shit is miles over this feminist cunt's head. All she cares about is being able to dress like a floozy and lead betas orbiters on for her own purposes. Only when that reality gets disrupted - her lizard brain now says FEMINISM BAD. She's able to piece together that feminism is bringing Islamic fundamentalism to Europe and that is counter to her personal whims. She doesn't have clue one on how to solve it because the progressive stack in Europe has placed refugees has a higher status protected class than European women. Her go to method of whining and getting thirsty SJW idiots to carry her water isn't working. They follow their regressive stack bible to the letter. Now she's turning to Red Pilled men to do it. Same method, different target.

For our interests, we don't really care if she and other women of her ilk dress like a floozies and play head games with dudes. We can handle that shit. Its the shattering of western society that has most of us concerned. Nobody wants flooded labor markets and a large dependent welfare class who try to leverage mob rule at the behest of global banking interests. What we want is a relatively free society driven by merit, action and results and not a statist one controlled by coercion, arbitrary protected classes, the desperation of poverty and coordinated mob politics.

[–]okkyle0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

The Zionists are pulling all the strings. A small group of atheistic Jews are enacting revenge against the (formerly) Christian Europeans who persecuted them for centuries.

Notice that Israel isn't taking any refugees? Have you also noticed that Israel has some of the tightest immigration laws in the world? That demographic crisis throughout the West is pretty rough, huh? White people aren't having enough babies. Did you know that Israeli women have 3 children per woman on average? Pornography and promiscuity is also highly frowned upon in Israel.

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Ultimately, this isn't anti-antisemitism, because the zionists aren't acting solely on their own - there are many Christians in bed with them. Also, there are many Jews on the bad end the deal too getting screwed.

Is it totally about religious domination by the so-called chosen people? Seems to be undeniable elements of that when you look at the blatant hypocrisy in the Jewish led progressive narratives and Jewish directed culture and national policy in Israel. But there are conservative Jews as well who like living in the US and the EU who consider it their homes and want to see the society they live in flourish in their time and in their children's times.

I think it has more to do about pure unadulterated evil and powerlust gone completely unchecked for centuries. That family, it's offshoots and co-conspirators have caused unspeakable horrors too numerous to list. It's been about absolute power and control at any cost. Is it about destroying Christian society by proving it to be about debaucherous stupidity? Or is it about suppression of labor markets and the continued consolidation of global power?

I tend to think its just one small group and it's associates and the religious/racial connections are overstated. They'd just assume crush a Jewish adversary as any other if they had to seeing how many Jewish American and Jewish European people have been killed in wars or suffered terribly as a result of their machinations.

It's an evil on a level that you or I have difficulty wrapping our heads around. I recently read about some alleged string pulling that caused NATO intervention in the former state of Yugoslavia. Serbian leaders refused to accept the globalist banking authority and what resulted was military intervention and either death or life sentences for those that had the audacity to refuse marching orders.

These people are gangsters who just so happen to have the most powerful military alliance in the world act as their muscle. World leaders either submit to them or end up dead or ruined. If stories are to be believed, they had a hand in Clinton's impeachment process. Stuff like that. The system is rigged more than you or I will ever realize.

The tentacles of this hydra are so deeply interwoven into the structure of society, I'm at a loss at how it ever could be undone. Maybe this crisis is Europe is shaking support enough that people in the know become desperate enough to resist? I don't have confidence much of anything will change, but it could be that destabilization of Europe could rally enough opposition and where no hope previously existed some could arise.

[–]okkyle1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is topic that has been covered extensively at Chateau Heatiste blog. I recommend it if you don't read it already.

But there are conservative Jews as well who like living in the US and the EU who consider it their homes

What's interesting is that Jews in the US are probably the most liberal of any demographic and overwhelming vote for the Dems, which is the VanGuard political party for all the destruction being wrought on the country (the Republicans at least pay lip service to conservative/nationalist values while ultimately being in bed with the same elite). This is in spite of the fact that Jews typically have done very well in traditional Western societies and are always among the most wealthy demos in every Western nation.

I think it all comes down to tribalism. The Jews immigrated to American in the late 1800's along with the Italians. Despite being welcomed by the accepting, innocent Americans, I believe Jews still inherently see themselves as an out-group. They see Conservativism and Nationalism as the ideologies of the White Christian Majority, and thus advocating liberal policies and ideologies is perverse form of rebellion.

What's baffling is these liberal Jews are so determined to smite the Christian Europeans/Americans that they are willing to vote heavily against their own interests.

I work in a very Jewish town in South Florida. I went to the local gun shop a few weeks ago to pick up some ammo and I ran into an older Jewish guy with his wife. As often happens at gun shops, a few of us started talking about politics and naturally Trump came up. This old Jewish couple was adamantly against Trump. Like all Trump-haters I've met, they had no concrete justification for opposing him.

ME What do you think about the Muslim refugees? You know the Democrats want to bring them in, Trump said he'd ban them.

JEWS Ah, what are the odds of them attacking anyone if they're here? Let them in.

WTF?! These people are willing to allow a bunch of Islamists into our country, people who hate Jews and many of whom would kill he and his wife if given the chance, all just to prevent White Christians from getting their guy. It wasn't as if this guy was just a bleeding-heart liberal. He was in a gun shop and he drove up in a Mercedes S-Class.

This turned into a bit of tangent. My point is, I don't buy your point about, "Well, some Zionist are responsible, but a lot of Christians and Atheists too, etc." You're equivocating. In my experience, there seems to be something about Jews that makes them anti-West by default. Of course there are plenty of exceptions the world over, but generally that's the trend.

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The ham and egg liberal Jew doesn't bother me. Its a free country, they can be liberals if they want. That in itself isn't any threat to society.

They're liberals because they're against antisemitism - and are in favor of racial tolerance. After the Final Solution they avoid anything that remotely resembles prejudice. Its not that hard to figure out.

You can argue that they go overboard to that end foolishly ignoring reality, but that's normal politics.

You have to separate them from the bankers who are actually manipulating society to a dangerous extent.

Don't hang that evil around their collective necks. That old Jewish guy from Miami's grandfather didn't bankroll the Serbian Black Hand (for example). Their politics come from a rather horrific history, even if you are skeptical that many Jews were gassed by anti-lousing agent Zyklon-b. Being starved and left to die of typhus in camps is frightening enough in itself.

This is America, we let people have their politics. Its the corruption that we should worry about.

[–]okkyle1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

They're liberals because they're against antisemitism - and are in favor of racial tolerance. After the Final Solution they avoid anything that remotely resembles prejudice. Its not that hard to figure out.

Dude, they're are voting for a party that is bringing in the most intolerant people in the world who happen have a specific dislike for Jews. Not to mentioned any rational examination of the facts would tell you that Republicans aren't in favor or racial intolerance at all, that's an old liberal canard. It was the dems that passed the Jim Crow laws, the Republicans freed the slaves after all.

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I did say this line of thinking is taken to a foolish extreme.

I totally agree that the Dems are the party of racial prejudice - the "Progressive Stack" prioritizes people based on their race and gender. Oh you're black? A muslim? A woman? A lesbian? Poor baby, we need to take care of you because you can't take care of yourself. Where do want the check sent to (drawn from other people's money)? By definition that is racism - the belief that certain identities are less capable.

The GOP has the actual audacity to levy the same expectations on people regardless of race. That's the belief that all are capable. If you are able bodied - you can and should work. You should seek the dignity that a paycheck brings you. There are no built-in excuses. There is a huge difference between someone going though a bad stretch needing a little hand up and someone who is just saying FUCK ALL THE WHITE MALES - Y'ALL ARE GOING TO PAY FOR ME TO EXIST. I'm not going to be an asshole and every brown person out there thinks this way, but lets be honest these people exist out there - and idiot SJWs cater to them and their bullshit con game.

There have been known racists who have sided with conservative politics - and the media has used them to paint the entire conservative political spectrum as racist. Meanwhile, all the blatant racists on the liberal side get a total pass - and not just that - the media and academia have redefined racism so that liberals cannot be ever be racists. Ain't that some shit?

Getting back to the gangster bankers, you notice that the moment a person starts talking about them the context immediately shifts to da joooos - instead of the real evil they have and continue to perpetrate. We have to break that distinction. This isn't about the Jewish people as a whole - its about a family of meglomanical psychopaths.

[–]ghebert0018 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, you don't get to treat men like shit for decades and then act nice and beg to be saved when shit goes south. A lot of feminists think that gender is a social construct and that we're essentially all the same...so my attitude is, they can help themselves. They made their bed, let them get fucked in it.

[–]TheInevitableHulk3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Half of the Swedish natives are female if they are as equal as they say they can handle themselves

[–]1favours_of_the_moon4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"yea.. and i can kinda understand that attitude (rolls eyes), but.... come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe. And when you do, you will also crush feminism! And the women, they will be soooooooo sooooo thankful and grateful for saving europe. for saving their opportunities of being women, and being equal, but not being feminists. And they won't be feminists anymore. (Stefan laughing and looking off camera at this point) It's up to you guys. You gotta save Europe for us, and leave the feminists to me.. I will deal with them."

Still trying to string them along, just like she bragged about doing in the 70s.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

And the women, they will be soooooooo sooooo thankful and grateful for saving europe.

This is why so many men end up with covert contracts... they're led into it by women who seem to actually believe that women experience gratitude.

No more. Women - you want something from us... it's time YOU went first, not us. After that we'll negotiate about YOUR rewards. Or we might just change our minds at the last second. And you can "be okay with it".

[–]DrakeSaint4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd be perfectly fine with the premise of a group of people fixing other people's shit, as long as the ones that fixed now are in charge of taking care that the original group does not fuck up again. And there is nothing that tells us this is the case. It's a "Help us correct our own misdoings then get back to your place".

[–]RedSugarPill15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe

Well, she's not wrong. European men are the only ones that could possibly save their culture.

[–]razormachine25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nope. Our culture was destroyed some time ago by feminists, socialists, SJW's...

While we are the only ones who could save this femiculture... feminists are the ones who should save it.

After all they claim they are equal. Maybe it is time for them to fight and die for what they believe and for their way of life?

[–]Dronitto1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

there is nothing wrong with trying to cure both diseases at the same time In the meantime every man is thinking like you 'the problem is too big to step up now' yet, they dont even make a change on a local level, local meaning their home, their life, their neighborhood, their city or community

[–]Phiend4Phoes 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

Haha wow, this was quite the fun read.

Well, it does require some intelligence to know when you actually need help to solve an issue.
It is, of course, way too late for any of that now.

OP, let's enjoy the decline and build a town in the woods somewhere along our borders,
we could name it Redpillia and build a new society based on enlightened dictatorship.
The sidebar would be converted to stone tablets.

Eller hur??


[–]worldnewsrager[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'd love to, but the border between you and I is the Atlantic Ocean, as I live in the U.S. :D maybe an island in Oceania though? Maybe that ww2-platform kingdom is taking immigrants.

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And, you'd get nuked or carpet bombed in few months. Like Trump will get JFK'ed if he truly somehow gets elected.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The words of old women are wind. They have nothing we want.

Until the young women start sucking for forgiveness, we ain't gonna do shit.

[–]suloco11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy

Even if the west gets taken over by Islam, women will be fine. When the new force invades, they just surrender themselves to it. No concept of loyalty or honour will force them to resist or prevent them from mating with their brother's and father's killer.

[–]KartagoPill6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

that only gives them tingles. Something fierce and savage is taking them. Dirty novel feminists.

[–]Dronitto3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

yeah, thats why i dont understand man that do not act against islam as a new 'power' in Europe Some women will just convert, they do not give a shit yet the man will suffer, as always the only way to return Europe is to fight both, islam(its a barbaric, medieval view of the world,thats why its working on feminist Europe) and feminism(it make most man handicap)

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Will be fine?

More than fine. In terms of biology they win because they get to survive and reproduce, and they get to do it with the strongest men around.

[–]okkyle-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

You need to study your history and read up on Islam. Western women have much to lose and would be infinitely worse off in an Islamic society. Are you aware of how Muslim countries treat women? And if Muslim men treat their fellow Muslim women so badly, how do you think white European women will be treated?

Also, if Europe does fall to the Islamists and the Western women are taken by Muslim men, how will their half-white children be treated in a newly Islamic society that is fresh off of conquering formerly white Europe? I'll give you a hint, they would likely be used as slaves as is the norm throughout history when one tribe conquers another.

White women have the most to lose in an Islamic Europe. It can be argued that white European men, if they simply convert to Islam and kneel down and pray 4 times a day, could actually gain some nice perks. They'll retake their former position as the leaders of relationships and households, they'll have a much greater chance at finding a wife as hook up culture and women in the workforce is banned or heavily frowned upon in Islam, and the women will automatically be submissive to them, or else they'll face a public stoning like in many other Muslim nations today. To your average white beta/omega, hammered flat by rejection and feminist berating, this may not sound so bad. But make no mistake, Islam is absolutely a terrible deal for Western women, it's just that women by nature don't have the foresight necessary to overcome their biological urge to follow the urge. Feminist are teaming up with radical jihadis right now and literally cheerleading the introduction of their own enslavement because YAY I'M TRENDY GIRL POWER SCREW PATRIARCHY.

[–]suloco5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Take your patronizing elsewhere, you're telling me nothing new about Islam. My point was purely biological: when one tribe conquers another, it's the men who do the dying and it's the women who are kept as slaves and/or breeders. So believe me, unless you're ready to convert, you have MUCH more to lose than a woman. You'd probably wouldn't even be alive to see your women meet the fate you so vividly and with much empathy portray. Peace.

[–]okkyle0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Your original comment is totally different from your response to mine.

Even if the west gets taken over by Islam, women will be fine

No, they won't be fine.

when one tribe conquers another, it's the men who do the dying and it's the women who are kept as slaves and/or breeders

Ok.. which one is it?

[–]suloco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is no discrepancy. They will be fine from biological point of view. Whereas western men will be put to sword or will have to betray their tribe (lose/lose if you ask me), women will be kept for breeding. From purely biological POV, women, even if their conditions worsen, will be successful at reproduction with the stronger men (the conquerors) or at least be kept alive due to their intrinsic value. Look at Nazi occupation of France. Men: executed or locked up. While that was happening, the birth-rates exploded. Women were eager to breed with the new conquering men because they were stronger and therefore were a better reproduction deal. Point is: women's inherent incapacity to loyalty is in their benefit when it comes to successful passing of genes.

[–]MakeEmSayAyy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I dont know...we dont know how they'd resist to med who begged to convert. I'm sure we will learn all we need to know when swedcuckia falls.

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He knows. We knows. Islam is terrible, especially for women. But they like it. Believe it or not, what most of those cunts deeply, secretly want, is to be raped by someone who stinks.

[–]afkb39sdfb2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

As the old saying goes, "you made your bed, now you sleep in it."

Or, " you reap what you sow"

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I made a post about this issue in TRP.red. I do not think many people read it. In light of this post it seems people are beginning to get my point. I may post a revised version in here soon. If anyone wants to read the original it is at


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I guess the bitch never read the fable "the boy who cried wolf"

Or the contemporary version "the slut who cried oppression"

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thanks for writing this, had similar thoughts. that cunt can fuck off pretending to be on the right side.

[–]ILikeTortuls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think we should become better men, stronger and more skilled. Capable of not only fighting and beating these savages, but toying with them like a cat with a mouse. All the while completely ignoring women. A savage threatens your buddy, savage the savage. A savage threatens a woman, well, equality dictates that she is strong and capable of handling this situation herself. So let her. And let her suffer, like we have suffered year upon year upon year watching her live the good life free from consequences. They need to feel consequences.

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And to reiterate. FEMINISM IS A GIANT SHIT TEST. Once again proving that the feminine mind clings to power and stirs shit up only in the absence of masculine leadership. If men lead woman properly, the feminist movement would never have gained any traction.

[–]cthulhu_calling_4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Let Sweden burn, let Europe fail, let America waste away.... I will enjoy the decline with a sprightly smirk. Why? Because its all too little too late. I'll take a page from emperor Nero and put on shades and just watch.

[–]KartagoPill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I also think feminist made damage too much. But at least now ours Islam Overlords will set women in line and hijab.

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[–]SpaceChris1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same thing happened on a smaller scale here in Germany. I'm not a butthurt mgtow, but I truly believe in pain being a great teacher, so i almost don't give a damn. It would be totally idiotic to white knight, considering that even AFTER cologne the vast majority of women don't vote right / conservative parties like AFD. Women supported it (wish i could erase that cringe worthy refugees welcome bullshit from my mind), women will take responsibility for it. Most german men seem to have checked out anyways and seemingly enjoy the decline. I received loads of heat last summer for supporting my hungarian Bros (where I immigrated from originally). But words are not enough to describe the schadenfreude i felt after new years eve.

[–]Foulcrow2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I received loads of heat last summer for supporting my hungarian Bros

You don't keep track of things? Hungary is never right, and the media loves to portray it as a neo-nazi shithole where every right ever is being taken away.

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Better late than never.

This surprises you? Every time, theres posts on how they act here. And every time they do JUST THAT, theres a post on here who cannot believe that it literally happened.

[–]worldnewsrager[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's not the 'that' it happens, it's more about the unfettered shamelessness in which it's done. Just when I think I've seen it all, you see what is essentially "Yea, we may have messed up, NOW GO DIE FOR ME OR ELSE YOU"RE NOT A MAN!"

[–]manslutalt1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Now, this likely childless, husbandless, waste of good white skin actually, like tries to shame men into what? Getting themselves killed doing what can only be assumed to be deporting the suspected million muslim immigrants. or overthrowing the government. And for what? So she is protected from the consequences of her life-choices, that she only now, once it's hitting her in the face, realizes might have been in err?

A war where lots of European men died would actually solve a lot of these problems because it would skew the gender balance and make us more similar to Russia in that regard.

We still lack incentive though. "She will deal with the feminists" sounds like a very hollow promise. No thanks.

[–]MakeEmSayAyy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"She will deal with the feminists" sounds like a very hollow promise. No thanks.

Lol we know what women's promises mean here.

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I'm not even white, but it would be really sad not to have you folks around here in the next 100-200 years. You should definetly save your race by having ton of babies, but don't be aggressive if some of us want some of that booty.

Also, western values of freedom are better than Islam. Don't let Islam take your countries as already happened in London.

Best of lucks

[–]dudet23-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

"Don't become to aggressive"

White guys don't become too aggressive! Us non-whites might want to try out white girls sometime so try to stay just pussified enough for me to fuck them!"

fuck off

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It's not like they're your property. Besides, they can't all be taken, right? I will only hit on the ones that are single, if I don't, then I would understand anyone going aggressive on me.

[–]dudet230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There are only a few million blondes in the whole world.

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[–]Limekill8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

But hauling in millions of people from the sticks, most who are illiterate in Arabic, let alone any Germanic or Latin language, is the sure recipe for crime, violence, and ghetto creation, and eventual ethnic replacement.

remember how we were told by the news that the refugees were educated, well it turns out 70% ain't....

And all those people will be 5+ years on welfare and will bring their wives over. That means in Germany alone there will be approx 1.4million people on welfare. Thats 6,720,000,000 euro per year in welfare payments.

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Their kids will also learn of this magical way of making money, and the cycle of ghettos continues.

[–]Sdom11 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

If the West disappears as a culture, Islam will decay and become forgotten as well. The two actually have a symbiotic relationship.

No, it's a parasitic relationship. Any wealth Islam has had came from the classical world (Greeks & Romans) and their Christian descendants. Islam was never able to sustain the societies and cultures they conquered. Here's a quick example:

In Mesopotamia, the ancients built a massive irrigation network plainly staggering in its scale. The Mongols invaded and damaged a lot of them, and that irrigation system was never rebuilt. Why? Because they couldn't. They didn't have the will or the know-how to even repair what that earlier culture did.

Islam consumes societies and slowly loses what they had because it has an entirely different structure that can't sustain that civilization. Consider what would happen if the oil money stopped. Contrast the Arab countries to Israel or Christian Lebanon. It should become clear eventually.

Even Turkey is much poorer than it should be, and that was with the Ottomans having the benefit of taking over the Eastern Roman Empire and gaining its organizational expertise. Turkey is also heading in the wrong direction.

[–]Albacorewing0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Actually, after the Mongol avalanche, the irrigation system was not rebuilt because the population was shattered. And soon enough the West outflanked Islam by sea, diverting trade away from the Middle East. Money was lacking. The Muslim world had more than enough know-how, but the economies were lacking. The bubonic plague made population fall even further.

The West knew this economic game better, and that was exactly why Albuquerque, Vasco Da Gama, and others explored and conquered down the African Coast & into the Indian Ocean. Defeated in Western Asia & Eastern Europe, the West to various degrees moved out to the Americas and the Indian Ocean.

Islam lost again when Sultan Selim II failed to follow up with a suggestion to dig a Suez Canal, 250+ years before the Westerners did just that.

Islam was doing wealthy & great until about the year 1219, when Jenghiz Khan started to destroy the Iranian/Arab civilization east of the Euphrates.

Had Muhammad Shah of Khwarazm not so angered Jenghiz, all of our history would have been different. For starters, there would have not been an Ottoman Empire; Russia would have not been so backward for so long; and Columbus might have never sailed. Islam would not have retreated into conservative backwardness had it not been for the Mongols; ironically, the Mongols were provoked by Muhammad Shah. The Black Death would have not taken place as it did, shattering morale even more among Westerners and Muslims alike. The Pax Mongolica let the plague spread.

The sad thing now is that the West, having endured for so long, having converted so many barbarians, is now dying by its own hand in a mass cultural suicide.

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Actually, after the Mongol avalanche, the irrigation system was not rebuilt because the population was shattered. And soon enough the West outflanked Islam by sea, diverting trade away from the Middle East. Money was lacking.

Money doesn't really matter for a project like that. Did the Sumerians have money coming from the outside when they built the irrigation system? Of course not. They made a plan and exerted the energy to make it a reality. Hell, in modern society we just will money into existence. It's just a proxy for resources and applied effort. This is precisely why you invest it and don't sit on it, because it's not meant to be a long term store of value, it's just the tool with which the distributed intelligence of the market allocates resources.

Look, in Israel the Jews are making the desert bloom. They are actually restoring the ancient forests and changing the ecology. One little known shitbag thing the Palestinians do is set fire to the forests to prevent them reversing desertification. If you have the will and the know how, you can make pretty much anything happen.

The West knew this economic game better

You mean they were smarter. Yep, we were and are collectively.

Defeated in Western Asia & Eastern Europe, the West to various degrees moved out to the Americas and the Indian Ocean.

The Ottomans had become an impediment to trade, which is why Europeans set sail to find routes around them. The Muslims also destroyed any Mediterranean trade traffic for hundreds of years because they'd rather play pirate than build.

Had Muhammad Shah of Khwarazm not so angered Jenghiz, all of our history would have been different.

Yes, yes, he sent the Mongol envoy back with his head shaved, but do you really think that had he not done that the Mongols - prolific conquerors that they were - would have left him alone? No. He might have accelerated things, but that fight was probably in the cards no matter what.

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While I am not big on conspiracy theories, I have heard that some politicians in the European Union are demanding that any country that does not accept these so-called refugees be fined over 200,000 Euro per refugee refused.

Someone is making money off this obscenity, you can bet on that. Just today I was talking with a British friend, and told him that this B.S. is reason enough for any country in the E.U. to abandon it.

Edit: I also wanted to add that these immigrants are not going to leave Europe except by the exercise of brutal force. The have a higher birth rate, and it would seem likely that Western Europe will become Islamized, as the American West has become majority Hispanic in many areas (I have seen a total ethnic replacement in some regions here in the States in my lifetime). This process will take decades and can be peaceful if the radical elements are dealt with.

But I will tell you, reversing it may not be worth it, as the White women of Europe are feminist, and for the most part just do not like White men. Just as I have learned more and more Spanish, there is nothing wrong with joining the ethnicity of these newcomers if necessary. It may be a desirable alternative to a civil war, fighting for Western women who see you as cattle; as the animal they feed off of.

Fighting in a war for a cause you believe in is fine, but the modern Western woman will stab you in the back. Defending her interest brings no reward at all. Please remember that fact.

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Someone is making money off this obscenity

Just talking out of my ass here, but I imagine this has more to do with them trying to split the burden after they have realized what a colossal fucking mistake they made, and not some monetary incentive.

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[–]MakeEmSayAyy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It means um to be more specific it about, the word isn't used in its philosophical sense it's more about expressing that....girl have small brains.

Lol no but it's really about how they only see their own viewpoint. It's used in a point of view way, they are unable to possibly empathize with others. Everything is for her or her children. It takes the viewpoint of only being able to think about your own experience and applies it to women's entire existence.

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Beneath all of this, there is a more fundaental trap door that we will see open inthe next few years. Behind Islam there is nothing. No economic productivity, no creativity, no tactics. Just a great darkness and appeal to the worst and lowest parts of our lizard brain.

Two things keep Islam from going the way of the thugee or any other half assed religion, and that is

1) the welfare state in Europe

2) the petro state in the mid east.

Now with Europe swinging to the right and the general parlous state of the economy, I am confident to say that the give away welfare state will turn into something far less generous in next decade

As for the oil, well 2 factors at play here. Most of the Mid East oil fields have peaked (bar some Quatari Fields) and will soon be costing more to extract a barrel than previous. The second factor is the huge innovation in energy of past years. The upper ceiling for oil is now about $65 a bbl, after that solar and fracking and other tech are going to steal those oil dollars away. In response to this, Saudi has announced a plan this month to open its economy to free market reforms - but i am very suspicious of a culture with low IQ, little work ethic and a tendency to execute those who show a glimmer of inquiry, to be competitive in the global market. So this is the endgame of wealthy gulf donors building mosques in Europe and funding jihadis around the world

So where does that leave your average, antagonistic, over confident euro Muslim? With Europe in front of him growing tired of his shenanigans, and his logistic train behind thinning, I would hazard a guess that he now is at the peak of his power and has no where to go but down. He has over reached in his ambitions, underestimated Europeans (never wise) and over estimated his manifest destiny to take the continent.

An unproductive society will never out compete a productive one. Islam is economically, socially, and scientifically stagnant. All it has is anger and rage at the west. How far will that get them? Much further?

[–]theDarkAngle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I dont think there is enough masculinity left in Europe to do anything about it.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"And it just falls out of her mouth like she was born to say it." Um...she was. That's what we're all here learning and discussing.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, just clarifying and reminding you of your own words. Truer have not been spoken.

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Saw this video as well and felt similarly.

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When red squirrels are put with brown squirrels in an ecosystem only red squirrels remain. I hope the human trash are the brown squirrels in this case. self -censoring

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"I just couldn't believe how mindlessly and effortlessly this woman just reverts to 17th-century damsel-mentality and demands men save European women from themselves."

She demands that European men save women while women spit on them and telling them how worthless and subhuman they are. Only Chad has any value. Let Chad save her.

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This is enraging.

I kinda hope they don't save Europe so that these cunts get a taste of what they've unleashed, while the good people all move to better ground.

But Europe is one of the last decent places to save, unless we just head off and turn some other Eastern European country into a first world country instead.

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Sweden is not Europe. In fact the difference within Europe is far greater than with whole North America. I don't live in Sweden or US so I can hardly judge how bad is in either place. However while Sweden has tons of Muslim immigrants, US is flooded with Mexicans so far that many places now have signs in English and Spanish.

Whats the main difference? The religion of immigrants?

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Whats the main difference? The religion of immigrants?

Yes, religion and culture. If Poles want to come to the UK, so what? They assimilate, and before you know it they are as British as the rest. If Norwegians go to live in Sweden, even less difference. But when people from an alien culture that is incompatible with your own and a religion that breeds intolerance and violence comes (if you are not part of the Umma and considered an 'infidel'), then the society must either kick them out or fall itself. Happened before in Europe, in France and Spain, and later in Hungary. Needs to happen again.

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Let Europe burn. Whites should flee and start new colonies in Africa, Asia and South America. Model them on Israel. Nationalist patriarchal nations where all must do their duty. Where we don't put up with poison like feminism or SJW's or the special snow flake Olympics or the degenerate freak-show that western society has become.

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You are twisting Carlqvist's words because you're frustrated at not being able to get laid. Let's break this down:

Now, the guest, is a Swedish journalist which means, at one point, she was a card-carrying feminist, pro-multi-culti SJW snowflake.

So what? Even if this is true, that's how she was raised, and changed her stance when the facts disproved her beliefs.

And also recounts stories from the mid-70's of being a young free-lover and stringing various dudes along, and then denying them sex at the last minute and them 'being okay with it.'

She wasn't saying that she did that. She said she COULD HAVE DONE that in the 70's and not been raped, and the hypothetical was to reinforce the point that Swedish women never had to fear rape AT ALL, even in that extreme circumstance. Her point was that Sweden has gone from having virtually no rape to having a monstrous rape rate due to Islamic immigration, but authorities can't be honest with young girls and tell them the risks, because that would be admitting they fucked up.

And from all this, you bitch about her possibly going back to a guy's apartment and changing her mind? How have you so thoroughly missed this point? And guess what - if you get a girl back to your place, and she changes her mind, YOU FUCKED UP. You said something stupid or broke frame. Take your blue balls in stride and up your game. You being a fuckup doesn't give you the right to rape a girl.

"yea.. and i can kinda understand that attitude (rolls eyes), but.... come on guys, shape up! YOU have to save Europe. And when you do, you will also crush feminism!

You are missing the point again. She is telling men to take back their power and rightful place, and in the process feminism would be crushed. She is admitting that women cannot save Europe, men must do it. There is nothing feminist about this attitude. You are just that insecure.

So, as far as i can tell, she was fully on-board with the whole "New Society" ideology until only the last few years. You don't generate a career in Sweden otherwise.

And she has ruined that career and is probably a pariah in her own country. When have you ever sacrificed something that big to stand up for your beliefs?

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I like you. You need to post more. Upvote for you.

[–]Schindog-5 points-4 points  (11 children) | Copy

waste of good white skin

This isn't a racist subreddit.

[–]DiscerningDuck8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your buzzword has no power here

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haha when I read that line I was like "yeah, really really shouldn't have that in there, it's going to derail the entire point you're making"

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Racism is in the eye of the beholder. If someone says "waste of good black skin" nobody would bat an eye.

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[–]LuvBeer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

People are racist, babies are racist, dogs are racist, crime stats, police, IQ tests, marathons, genetic illnesses, bone density, biological response to drugs, serum testosterone levels, life....all racist. Can we move on now please.

[–]Dronitto-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, whites are much better(or were at least) Too bad colonialism ended, it was much better for Europe.

[–]johnchapel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How is that a racist statement?

Why is mentioning skin color racist?

You all act like he said "Waste of good white skin which as we all know is attached to people who are superior in every way to the mud people

Fucking relax.

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[–]get_real_quick1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What the fuck has this sub actually come to? This used to be a place for men to discuss sexual strategy and bettering yourself, not bitching and moaning about brown skin and Jews. Get this beta bitch stormfront nonsense out of here. Bunch of fucking unwilling cuckolds whining about how oppressed their white skin has made them. No different from beta Indian fobs coming in and whining about how brown girls don't like their BO. Fuck the hell off.

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It wont matter in the long run. I give humanity less than 100 years left before we go extinct. Climate change is going to force us to adopt more environmentally friendly sources of energy, and when that happens all the oil rich Muslim shit holes are going to go bankrupt. These people export no art, technology, or culture of any kind that anyone in the world is interested in. When Saudi Arabia runs of of cash to "quietly" spread wahabism, shit is going to hit the fan like we have never experienced.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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