http://heatst.com/world/that-male-birth-control-trial-youre-all-laughing-about-left-people-infertile/
One man was rendered infertile, and another eight were not back to normal sperm counts after a year. Based on these results, WHO deemed the study unsafe and promptly cancelled it.
Because feminists are capable of making anything about their two favorite subjects, themselves and man-hating, feminists promptly made this all about themselves and man-hating. For example, here's a "comedian" calling men "little bitches" for backing out, despite the fact that it wasn't the men who backed out, it was WHO because the fucking study was unsafe. http://archive.is/lGc5v
If you've been on Facebook at all over the past day, I'm sure you've seen details of this already. Mostly it's women complaining that "we have to deal with these side effects all the time!" and "well they should just man up and accept the mood swings!" They were. 75% of the participants were fine with the side effects and were willing to continue the study regardless. It was not their decision to cancel the study - it was WHO.
I'm just putting this out there because I'm annoyed with all these fucking cunts and their anti-man yammerings. If you need to drop any red pills to shut them the fuck up, that Heat Street article is a great resource.
I have to say, I noticed this myself. I don't really like when people try too hard to come up with women-bashing shit, but this is legitimate.
About 95% of the articles were attempts to equate male birth control to female birth control, and that's apples to oranges. They have nowhere close to the same method of action.
The study was stopped because the symptoms encountered by the men were deemed too serious from a medical standpoint. A large majority of the men participating in the study said they would take the birth control, as it was, if it were prescribed.
the study wasn't stopped. it ran its course, and they are compiling their data and publishing their findings.
no birthcontorl is perfect and many have side effects, they're finding those side effects
Jumping to conclusions here but male birth control sounds like hormonal castration to me. I have done no research but I can't see how this wouldn't have negative effects on test levels and overall well being.
Google "Vasalgel" and check out this and also this.
Consider that the only current option for men to ensure that they are not fathering children they do not want, is to have a procedure to sever the vas deferens via vasectomy. Possible side effects, although low risk, can include loss of sexual function. Many vasectomies are not reversible.
Male birth control is essential to men's rights. Feminists despise the idea because they know divorce rape and bloated child support numbers would drop, stymying their agenda. Men need access to viable birth control, and especially Vasalgel. A woman's right to choose is only just if it includes a man's right to deny reproduction in the first place.
There's also the "clamp", which is less invasive and free if done at Planned Parenthood.
Both methods involve severing the vas deferens, one method ties, the other uses tiny clips to stop flow through the vas deferens. The non-incision method uses small punctures. Both methods are medically intended to be permanent and neither is guaranteed to be reversible.
Vasalgel is still, by far, the better option for men.
This one is, alter horomons to suppress sperm count.
before you do any male birth control you should freeze you little guys.
I'd be worried that the way it works is make it so you can't get it up.
that could also be the case, hence why we need trials, we need to find the pros and cons, so when such a product comes to market, the cons and minimized, and the user is made fully aware all aspects of the treatement so that they can choose for them self.
Its not like condoms and female birth control are out the window either, but more options is a definite plus.
You must not be talking about the same birth control.
[Source](www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/01/male-birth-control-study-nixed-after-men-cant-handle-side-effects-women-face-daily/93088124/)
yes I am, many people are just repeating the same headline despite it being false. These are clinical trials, they have done their first trial, publishing initail findings, and gathering more.
The same headline is being published everywhere despite being false, see gamergate for why just because its on a news site, doesn't mean its false.
You're right, but the actual study is pretty much irrelevant here because we're talking about the media's reaction to the studies.
Yeah, we are just talking about how the media is a drama queen (muh patriarchy) and not about twisting the truth for their own means. So let's just ignore the study.
Not white knighting or anything, just pointing your logic fallacy to prove your point.
Haven't even clicked on your link yet.... just reading it pisses me off and is a perfect example of how feminist propaganda influences articles.
nixed-after-men-CANT HANDLE- side effects.... FUCK the writer!
The same article for a woman would be a link like: pill-nixed-after-several-women-fall-dangerously-ill-from-deadly-side-effects
Some women are twisting it, yes. But I've seen a lot of women, even on female based subreddits, who called them out on it hard. So that's good. Most of those posts twisting the study around get flooded with comments such as "someone obviously didn't read the article and is trying to satisfy their agenda." So at least there are women who understand the people who twisted it were full of shit. That's just the posts I've seen thus far, however.
I hope to see more of this issues in discussions. I love seeing harpywomen bash on men, when they feel the right to do so. And when women with brothers and boyfriends bash back on this, because they have love in their hearts for men.
Issues like this one, they make it easier to spot which women must be ignored and which women men should start conversations with.
"And when women with brothers and boyfriends"
Or women who understand in their own right, that the media's stand point is illogical.
It's definitely ridiculous the way they're bashing on the study. I don't think they realize that a study for a new drug, and changing a drug that already exists on the market (and was created in the 50s?) is totally different. I wouldn't want to take a pill in 2016 that made me infertile. And if they can better the effects, why not? I mean, this could only lead to good because I don't think they realize this could spark a discussion to better the side effects of women's birth control as well. So what harm is it honestly doing? Plus, the facts aren't even right most of the time. The study was pulled, they're just trying to better it. 75% of the men said they would be okay with using it!
Those men are morons, if they aren't aware of how much infertility matters. What if you do want to have a kid?
Fortunately, they who did the study understand the severity of what male infertility means, for both men and in turn for society.
If I'm remembering correctly, they said they'd be okay with using it if it were improved, so I'd assume that means if the infertility side effect was eliminated. It's good that they're trying to better it and make sure those issues don't arise, so I'm not sure what you're point is, I agree with you?
Y'all to be fair... female BC, Mirena for example, has also been known to cause infertility.
I think y'all are missing the feminist argument altogether, not that I really agree with it. To make a coherent argument against their, you must actually understand what is being said.
What I gathered was that ULTIMATELY they were complaining that the bar is lower when it comes to "safety" for men/women. That infertility, mood disorders, etc. have always been a part of female BC, but trials go on anyways. Why is the risk of infertility ok for women, but not men?
Different decades, different standards
So glad this is posted here. Woke up and scrolled thru FB to see a bunch of people sharing...like wowww "life is so hard for women, men can't even handle it" or "wow what weak men"
I was tempted to comment, but didn't. My first instinct was to point out that that's a REALLY immature viewpoint. Further proof why women should not be involved in science or advisory committees of any kind - if their knee-jerk reaction is so biased and that rather than be concerned about the safety of the medicine or help improve the treatment, they'd prefer men suffer MORE.
Unbelievably childish mindset. Not mention...mood swings, muscle cramps, etc all come with the territory of having high estrogen - female biology 101.
Not to mention that yes, indeed its the WHO which is responsible for cancelling a study due to safety BECAUSE THATS HOW CLINICAL TRIALS WORK.
It was so hard to resist no commenting but you always have to remember the 53 laws.
I kept my "keyboard mouth" shut as well despite wanting to rip some people apart.
those "this is apples to oranges" studies aren't the ones getting pushed widely.
After doing some research, I commented on one of those posts, apparently one guy killed himself during the trial and several men were sterile for far longer than they were supposed to be after the trial was stopped.
I got called a cunt and a rapist etc.
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Anyone else notice women will try to like flock and group-shame you? And they'll circlejerk and give props to each other while doing it as if that's supposed to break your spirit and deter you?
Because they're heard animals. Ever see the line outside the lady's room?
Herd.
Heard is something you used your ears to do.
That's right. Herd. As in herd of chickens.
A herd of chickens is a 'clouder'.
This here is why I am against genders sharing of bathrooms.
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I will go outside and pee in a bush before I share a bathroom with women.
I live in a frat house; after parties the bathrooms are often trashed. One time we restricted the bathrooms to only women and, if they needed, brothers. Dudes could fuck off and piss outside somewhere.
The bathrooms were of course still trashed, like toilet paper thrown all over the walls among other things. Drunk women will wreck a place like that just for fun and with no regard to the fact that people live in that house and need to clean it up after
The line is mostly just because urinals are way faster
LOL true even funnier example, go see an instagram photo posted by a chick
EVery single time the comments will be 5-10 of her friends saying the same shit they don't mean like "Beautiful" "Hot" "Slay" ie. Sheep "bah,bah,bah"
Herd animals they are
Wish they were unheard animals, but I digress, the word you're looking for is herd.
It's a "feel=good as we jump on the bandwagon and get our two cents in because the pack is against him already" type of bullshittery.
Herd mentality jumping when they are safe to spew bullshit and not suffer any consequences.
This is the misandry bubble. Never forget that they do this or that this happened to you. One day you'll be dealing with a post-wall woman throwing herself on your sympathy to try and get your high SMV dollars to support her worn out cock-ridden body. That is the point at which you look back at how women treat you when they are "winning" and you laugh to yourself inside.
The man-hating feminists...and the beta white knight who will do anything for a whiff of Pussy
What were you expecting?
Lol, how does one "talk over women" on a text based medium?
Even in spoken debates that is such a childish complaint. They aren't interrupting you and speaking over you because you are a woman, they are doing it because they know how to win a verbal argument. It is literally a debate technique, and they complain that they can't handle the mind games.
This is what happens when you consider yourself a victim of everything I suppose.
What a bunch of wusses. Now, if it had been a trial for women, and a woman had killed herself and others had their fertility affected, they would totally have sucked it up and never once complained. /s
But, as OP says, it wasn't the men who called it off, it was WHO.
Well as my partner said, if anything this is a succuss story on how far ethics have come in medical trials. Why are we complaining that people aren't actively made to suffer in the name of science?
Is that what we are doing? I thought we were pointing out the utter hypocrisy of feminists. Nothing new there, of course.
No! The sins of the fathers must be visited upon the sons! There is no other way to get justice! None!
You just raped every women who ever was by admitting you were called a cunt. If that's not triggering level oppression, I don't know what is.
Your thinking you can reply to the god queens that they are just raped all the unborn women who have yet to be conceived.
Your rape raped the rape. Because trigger & whatever.
Love how she didn't debunk ANY part of your argument and just resorted to calling you a piece of shit.
Holy fuck Katie. God damn this is the shit that made me quit facebook.
quitting every social media rocks
You talked (aka bitched in woman language) about depression, that nulls all possible fact in their eyes if you ain't Dicaprio (he would be called so cute for showing some weakness to fag women) already. Next time if you have to post that i suggest you choose one fact and speak concisely about it. Give no grips for their claws. Be a smooth social character. Let them try to grind the glass and force themselves to be a joke if they want to retaliate. This way you are leaving too much room for the hamster machine to chase you. Just imho.
Oh thanks bro you've really opened my eyes on how to deal with self-righteous cunts on the internet.
/s
But seriously, I appreciate the constructive criticism, but they pretty much have forced themselves to be a joke when she attacked me for my calm level headed argument. I didn't bother responding to her as there was no point, but after her comment several people chimed in to agree with me and call her out, I couldn't care less if her feminazi followers all passive aggressively like her comment, and it didn't ruin my day to be called a rapist, I chuckled that she had literally nothing so had to resort to attacking my (impeccable) character. ;)
Yeah, i was just relating how i see this happened and your part on it. I guess you didn't care then.
Sounds like you've fucked too many women in your area and some of them are salty as hell.
But... How'd the hell did that Katie girl get 19 likes for calling you a statutory rapist? Statutory rape is pretty cut and dry... Don't fuck anybody you're not old enough to legally consent. The "date rapist" is a little more iffy... Sounds like too many ladies regret hooking up with you.
I wouldn't say too many. Just high smv girls, when you fuck the girls who they wish they were, women (and beta men) tend to get pretty salty.
I haven't fucked any one who liked her comment, but given she's best mates with the girl who posted the original article which has 184 likes, I don't find it surprising that she got 19 likes ignoring anything I said and calling me a rapist. Group mentality, go figure.
I feel like in an experimental trial for male birth control you should be prepared that something not so great might happen (E.g. - infertility).
If you feel you'd need to end your life, in part, because you couldn't have children, then you shouldn't participate in the study or just freeze lots of sperm.
If there was more in play to the suicide, the WHO shouldn't count that against the study.
Did he commit suicide due to infertility? It also said it caused mood swings which I could see causing it
Yes causes mood swings and depression. Pretty hard to link directly to his suicide, but given that was one of the reasons the drug did not go ahead, probably didn't help given his suicide was put down to depression and "personal issues".
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This is absolutely infuriating. They are the ones that demand all the rights and take rights away from men. Then they complain that it is all on them.
I had a girl tell me that she got pregnant and already aborted it and wasn't going to tell me at all. What the hell! That is my future kid! Imagine if i took away the future child of a woman, somehow, someway. Imagine the outrage.
If a woman feels that uncomfortable with taking birth control why are you so against their sexual partners being forced to use condoms. Are you seriously suggesting that a woman alone should be responsible for birth control?
I've personally only used condoms in the past as birth control and have done so gladly; the effect of the pill on women's behaviour isn't worth the alternative to me.
Good points but come on, ethics has never been a part of business and it sure as shit ain't now
Olive Clover in Heat Street with a very underrated comment:
I completely agree and since I don't want kids, I would definitely do this.
Except for the fact that while he is sterile, he also can't get an erection and has mood disorders.
Look up post finasteride syndrome, it also messes with a males endocrine system and some people react very badly. I have a hunch that the same thing happens with this.
You don't want chemical sterilization
Can't get am erection?
Damn. Don't want that shit.
A vasectomy barely hurts anyway. I've endured more pain at the dentist.
At no point does anything sharp come in contact with your testicles. All they do is pinch some of the blood vessels in your scrotum and inject the local anesthesia into that so they can then work on the vans.
Experiences vary wildly.
I'd caution against making broad statements that effect.
It's just the potential for disaster down there, the idea of it. You're in stirrups with your sac hanging out. There's a guy down there with a scalpel, snippers, a cautery tool, and a needle.
Pick a young urologist, and check his hands for steadiness. And never get one in the afternoon, that's when the mistakes are made.
FFS guys, we bemoan women for being irrational, emotional, instinctual creatures, and you fold to your instincts at the drop of the hat and start wincing at the thought of a medical professional near your balls with tools.
It's like working on miniatures, at no point are large amounts of force being applied, and everything happens outside the scrotum. A slip would be a small nick/burn on your skin, not a scalpel half an inch deep in your testicle. How quickly would a doctor be sued into oblivion for botching that badly? Be rational here.
By the same logic the dentist could just as easily slip with a drill in your mouth, or does also stop you from practicing oral hygiene?
edit: I wonder how many post-op horror stories are caused by post-op over exertion. I spent the first two days on the couch, and the first week walking around slowly and careful. The second week only gently doing cardio, and the third week doing light lifts, only on the condition that if anything felt untoward that I would halt immediately.
I didn't have your experience, there was a scalpel involved, Doc made the cut and singe before the local had kicked in, my body contorted pulling the groin muscle and lower abdominal, and I went into shock.
Recovery from the vasectomy, probably a day. Recovery from the rest of it, a week. Despite my experience, if I tested non-sterile again, I would get the procedure done again by someone else (maybe the local butcher or something, someone used to handling meat...).
No, no, no, and no, not what I was saying at all. I had it done, it was not a problem, would totally recommend. My only point was:
That's all, it's only been 200,000 years of keeping everything sharp and ugly away from there.
This happens much more often. But it doesn't keep one away from the DDS.
Many. Half the guys I personally know who had it done went out and played basketball or something the next day, and regretted it. My doc told me don't get back "in action" for a week or so. Well, night of the sixth day I had a raging erection and an obliging blowjob giving wife.
Result: absolutely mind-blowing orgasm, and another 3 days of unnecessary pain. Just imagine how those tubes react in that mechanism: they raise up to shoot that out, and since they were severed, well, it hurt a bit. Again, mostly just worrying, not truly painful.
It's bound to happen with any surgery. That's why you should always check the background and trust the doctor that is going to do the procedure on you.
Yeah, hell no.
I can live without an arm but my balls, nuh uh. Nope. No fucking way. Ain't nobody gona mess with ma ding dongs. Fuck that.
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They die and get reabsorbed. Same thing happens if you don't cum for a while.
As a general rule, don't fuck with chemicals unless you really, really know what you're doing. You're probably better off getting snipped.
But there's an age limit on vasectomies in my Scandinavia. It'll be 7 years more until I can apply for one, and then several more months of waiting. With a better birth control, I could start so much earlier.
Which they use in India last time I checked.
You know that dropping the facts will do no good brother. If the white knights dont defeat you, the hamster awaits.
It's totally possible to slide over some red pills to normies if you're tactful enough. You just have to use the right language.
Truth. Hell im convinced most people already believe it, deep down anyway. If you know how to couch the language right, you're good to go!
Feminists are SO LOUD about "it's my body, my choice!" But when men decide and choose not to be suicidal and infertile (actually, scratch that, WHO chooses for men not to be suicidal and infertile) that's not so much their tune anymore. Because, like, men are babies lol amirite!?
I point this shit out on Twitter all the time, and as a woman, I get told I must hate myself and have so much internalized misogyny.
You should congratulate yourself. You have more sapience and sentience then all of those garbage low-qualify women clucking at you combined.
Congrats to me! Lol, honestly though, I follow a lot of people my age that retweet these stupid fucking feminism shitposts and I can't handle it.
I got into an argument with a bunch of ~woke~ sjws the other night and one girl told me it's super sad that as a woman, I can't recognize that women are underrepresented in this male-dominated world.
still waiting for that vasalgel
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I was literally just researching this wondering when it will get here. I'm concerned about the side-effects from vasectomy, too many guys end up with chronic pain and other issues, including decreased sex drive and reduced feeling during orgasm.
I want vasalgel for the reversability.
Why I'm not putting my eggs in that basket, I am open to marriage and a family one day. Not likely, but in the very off chance I found the right girl and felt comfortable with it, it's something I'd consider. But I have no idea how much it would cost to put sperm on ice...how long they're viable for, etc. Otherwise I'd be off scheduling everything tomorrow.
Yeah, we need to get that stuff pronto.
Where are all these men? I've heard that's a tiny percentage.
Every man I've spoken to or saw a post on this sub or the childfree one has said their vasectomy went great
I did see another sub where guys were talking about their issues and it scared me away. Some data I've seen is over 10% having complications. What did it for me is when I read posts from guys saying that they had frequent pain and when they finished it didn't feel like it used to.
Even if it is a small chance I'm not excited about that risk.
I've had one. And everything is exactly the same as it was before the procedure. Only now, I can't knock anybody up.
Still waiting for them to update their bs website. "Clinical trials to start in 2016". Its fucking November.
Seeing both men and women on Facebook bash these men is insane. The few men (and women) who try to defend them are torn down without mercy. That's the whole point of studies is to find out what works and what doesn't. This didn't work, like 1000s of other drugs that companies test, but this one is getting all the heat because it's male birth control. My favorite headlines are one that has to work the term "cis" into them. They know who their audience is.
Um do you think any real men use Facebook? A beta bitch social gossip site? Gossiping is for bitches.
Men live in the real world.
I can think of several reasons to use a site like Facebook. For instance, it's an easy way to keep in contact with family and friends. You don't have to buy into all the crap that's on Facebook to use their service. Don't give me that REAL MEN shit. Real men would be able to see the benefit of a site like Facebook and be able to use it without paying heed to, or participating in the cesspit that is most Facebook users posts.
You could renew your subscription to huffington post while you check your FB feed.
You can see all the fake ass highlight reels of all your friends feeding their vanity and ego. You can even see pictures of their food. How awesome!
It's literally a site full of beta cuck bitch men, females, and whacked out progressives. And even better if they don't approve of what you post you could lose your job. But hey. You can keep in touch with your family so its all good yo.
I'm not here to convince you that you are wrong or that I am right. As someone who uses Facebook for the ease of keeping in contact with his family and easily ignores the rest of it, I'll continue to do so just as you will continue to not use it.
I don't get what that guy was trying to prove. Ok, you don't like Facebook. Beta cucks use it? Ok. Let me go ahead and avoid anything that beta cucks and feminists use. I hope he's a troll because he portrayed everything this sub shouldn't be.
True. Neither of us will change opinions. But I would like to point out your OP complains about exactly what I talked about. You say it's "easy to ignore" but strangely not so easy that you posted your complaints to TRP?
But pay heed to is exactly what you did?
Regardless, I like that you used the term cesspit because do you think it's possible to swim in a sewer without getting turd on you? That is the essence of Facebook.
And it's why I avoid it. I won't be part of their revenue stream. FB can fuck off with their progressive faggotry.
Anyway. Have a good day.
I'd suggest to just delete each and every "friend" who posts stupid content. My "friend" count went from 450 (which isn't much) to less than 100, and that's probably because two thirds of these don't even share any content. That's to take with a grain of salt as I'm an expat and don't get many news from my hometown. People with good friends don't need Facebook.
Quite convenient for the apartment madness that is NYC too. That's about it for me.
That's essentially what I've done.
However, what I'd rather do is school these fucktards in their inane posts or troll the shit outta them but unfortunately the regressive left have a monopoly on restricting free speech / dissent.
More succinctly, I rather like being employed.
I see a lot of women on facebook saying "well women have been getting these symptoms for years and they never stoped the trials!"
This is more proof that women care more about the ability to use their pussy to control men than they actually care about sexual enjoyment. Men found the trials unbearable because men want sex to satisfy their sexual urges.
I had this thought. Acne, weight gain, and depression were all symptoms they described, all of which are fucking bummers. I'd rather not be fucking than be depressed all the time.
Same with erectile dysfunction lol. Imagine if a Yaz side effect sealed their vagina?
That does make some sense to some degree. Of course, the way it's expressed hurts a bit.
I got on it in the first place because my exboyfriend asked me to. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I really just wanted to please him.
I got off it after our relationship ended because side effects were really not worth it. It was the biggest relief to be off it.
It's sad that many women just stop taking it if they have side effects. It's not like taking hormones is the only possibility. It's their choice to continue taking it, just as much as its men's choice to stop trials.
So many land whales in my feed are spouting off "MEN CAN'T DEAL WITH WHAT WOMEN DEAL WITH!"
Meanwhile, the study said something like 75% of men in the BC trials didn't have any adverse side effects.. Or could simply just deal with it. I didn't read much of it to be honest.
It's so entertaining how they demonize men for saying something like "you throw like a girl" and then essentially making the same exact "micro aggressions" that were made toward them.
These fat feminist idiots are filled with self-loathing because it's really themselves that they hate and it's clear as day that's what they're projecting.
"BODY POSITIVITY!" ("I am fat and I hate myself for it, so someone please tell me I'm pretty!")
"SO SICK OF CIS GENDERED GUYS TELLING ME HOW TO LIVE!" ("I wish I was pretty enough to have a GOOD LOOKING straight guy be my rock and give me some leadership... But I'm fat and my only orbiters are beta losers who are afraid to put me in my place")
I unfriended all landwhales. Or in the very least unfollow so they don't get the attention or validation they want
Keep in mind that a huge difference in men and women is that they're fertile one time every month, while we produce sperm 100% of the time so the amount of hormone altering stuff that goes into a male birth control pill is way higher dose. That is also why it's way harder to make that pill than it was for women.
But of course the media is never going to acknowledge that, it's easier to say men are bitches.
Your underlying point may be correct, but you're off-base.
The reason birth-control for women is so easy is that there's already a simple hormonal pathway to telling her body to not get pregnant: the one that says she's already pregnant.
She already has 100% of the machinery in place to not-get-pregnant. All you gotta do is tell it to activate.
Guys? Guys. The male birth control in question isn't anything exotic. It's just testosterone.
Yep. Testosterone injections temporarily (usually) cause almost complete infertility.
I take it twice a week. I experience very little in the way of adverse side effects. A little acne, and it'll cause erection problems if I don't remember to take my AI (aromatase inhibitor) with it.
...And that's it. This is a medication that's widely available. You can do this yourself. The health risks are minor, manageable, and very well documented.
Go forth and (not) multiply, brethren.
Do you cycle? What are the benefits vs risks?
I stay on.
Benefits: better concentration, better sex life, better workouts, can help reduce risk of some diseases.
Risks: may accelerate male pattern baldness, may accelerate prostate issues in men who are genetically predisposed to that.
This is the first I've heard of the AI. I just assumed wood wouldn't be an issue.
Test converts to estrogen past a point, you don't want tits so you take an AI. Also the protocol they used on these guys is 100% horrible and leaves them with a ton of problems.
This is the first I've heard of this. Good to know
At first wood is like whoa. But as your estradiol (undesirable estrogen) rises, it effects your sexual health. So an AI stops that problem.
So for how long do you approximately shoot blanks after injecting, do you use test E/C or what?
Currently I'm on Test Cyp, I don't take it for birth control so I don't have all the details on that.
Do you find it helps out with your willingness to work out and your energy during workouts?
While those effects are common, I didn't have a problem with either of those prior to taking testosterone and I don't now.
What I have noticed, though, is that my recovery time after a workout is much quicker. Instead of being sore for three or four days after a leg workout, I'm ready to go again about 36 hours later.
It also helped me build a lot of muscle. My testosterone level was abysmally low prior to getting some testosterone to inject. I was working out all the time but only seeing minor gains in muscle. On T, I got big quick. Almost too quick. It lets me actually keep the gains from all my hard work.
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It's another misleading/false media narrative perpetrated by progressive journalists with no integrity. A summary of the situation, not all of which is outlined in this article:
Outlets like Fusion and Vice are pushing a narrative that a male birth control study was cancelled because whiny men can't take the symptoms that women already have with female birth control.
They focused on minor symptoms like cramps, ignoring the fact that of the 320 participants, one was completely infertile four years later, 8 (2.5%) had low sperm counts one year later, one committed suicide, and several experienced severe depression. Some of this could be unrelated, but it's still relevant information.
They make it sound like way more men quit than actually did. Only 20 men (6.3%) quit the study. I'm not a scientist, but I can't believe this isn't normal among drug studies. Additionally, the test was cancelled by an outside board, not the people in the study. Only 1.1% of the people in the study reported a negative experience and only 1.5% said they wouldn't use it again.
It sounds like canceling the study will ruin birth control for everyone. In reality, one of the reasons the study was cancelled was because the board that made the decision decided enough data had already been collected for the study, so not much was lost by cancellation. Erring on the side of caution is standard for modern drug tests.
Side note, do feminists actually think they want male birth control? I don't think they've thought it through, because if they did they would realize male birth control shifts a lot of control away from women and to men.
It is dangerous to play with hormone other than Melatonin. In order to reduce the production of sperm, the body mechanism of male hormone must be tempered. No one knows the long term side effects right now. From my perspective it is save to keep as it is then have a 10% defective rate of babies in the next generation.
Feminist will be scared for male to have birth control. They just cannot "forgot" the pill anymore, they cannot pop a baby without men's permission. Men will have as much as sexual power as women since both parties has an on/off switch.
yeah, the 6.3% is all I responded with. you have to keep it simple with those misandrist idiots or they will reply with all sorts of tangential nonsense. focusing on the 3rd grade math fail by these girl websites is how to make the point.
Oh, it's infuriating. 20 (out of 320) men backed out, and 75% of the men reported that they would take the contraceptives in the future. So, you know, a clear majority of the men didn't back out (yet are being judged based on the actions of the 6% who did), and a clear majority are good obedient feminists (or, less likely, red pilled men looking to defend themselves - but that narrative never gets public airtime) who would take the damn thing.
It's frustrating, but whatever. I've long since conceded that the Right was asleep at the wheel and the left's internet virtue-signaling echo chamber is what it is. It's wrong and ineffectual, but angry conservatives whom they already hate aren't going to teach them shit, but failure will.
The echo chamber merely deludes. Reality is inescapable.
I think that's a bit unfair - it's more likely that a clear majority of the participants experienced little to no personal side effects, enough to make it a worthwhile investment of energy to guard against unwanted kids.
Man on the moon? Piece of cake (1969). Scanning tunneling microscope to observe atoms? No problem (1981). Intercontinental ballistic missiles? Yawn (1958). Male birth control? Holy fuck we have no fucking idea what or how the fuck to make this crazy shit safe!!!
Bitches gonna bitch.
It's funny. I used to be super Beta from the age of 5-23. But now I don't even consider women more than cum dumpsters for producing kids and I have never been happier.
Of course I don't tell them this. Saying it to them will cause them to say words that I have no intention of listening to. But actually treating them like this has actually yielded very good results.
I wish society would catch on.
Edit: Looking at a google search is disguising. This is another example of how the media is bias as fuck and not to be trusted.
And so on. I only found one that actually cited that it was the WHO and only 6% of men backed out.
Blanket shaming men is fun I guess.
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/pdf/10.1210/jc.2016-2141. Just in case you wanna see the original article
There is a doctor in Brazil that claimed to have invented the birth control pills for Men but feminists were against it and killed the development
https://youtu.be/LibyBjUnj2Y
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsimar_M._Coutinho
Taking BC from women is like taking the only power tool from an absolute monarch.
Condoms can burst or "leak", pills fail and whatnot. But a vasectomy or a functioning male pill is 99,9 % a safe bet and WILL result in a man, beta, gamma, harlequin or not, fighting paternity. micdrop
These feminist will never allow anything progressive to come to pass. By making a female issue out of a question of medicine for males, they show the flagrancy of their narcissism and how little they care about the health of men.
We will always have to look out for ourselves and developing safe birth control for men is the best thing for us. The good old "snip" has been an option for a long time, but has mostly been restricted from younger men, especially if they have no kids. This hormonal treatment has proven to be too risky, and the cost these men suffered was not in vain. I've read about other products currently undergoing human trials that look much more promising, and if safe options can be brought to market for males as young as teenagers it will provide a massive wall of defense against the degradation of men at large.
correction, it isn't cancelled, the reserachers are compiling their data.
but yes several men did experience issues and withdrew from the trial.
There are over ten types of Female Birth Control medicines. Males don't even have one. The closest medical analogy to this drug is the Depo Provera which has a 1% failure rate as compared to this drug which has a 4% failure rate. The side effects of Depo Provera do not include any mood disorders and if someone does show side effects, she has over 10 different options. This study was cancelled because the incidence of side effects reported that 60% of the side effects were caused by the drug and 40% were unrelated.
feminists show their usual idiocy and their lack of an education. All the more reason why you shouldn't allow feminists in policy making, it will fuck everything up for everyone.
If you still get shocked by news such as this you haven't truly understood the Red Pill.
"Woman say that man should..."
Who gives a fuck what woman say? Woman doesn't put food on my table, she doesn't pay my bills.
Only thing that I get from woman is pussy, and I do not get that pussy for being what woman tell me what they wan't me to be.
Fuck the bitches. Feminazis are worthless cunts that are miserable people.
Anyone else remember when male contraception came out as a possibility and feminists went off on one? Saying it was sexist for taking a woman's right to childbirth or some shit. Their nonsense is never ending it seems.
Yeah I saw this issue pop up and I thought, "what the fuck? All this male shaming is bullshit". They pulled the plug on the study because it was unsafe. The level of side effects was too high for a non-lifesaving drug. One of the dudes in the study became infertile and 7 didn't recover their sperm levels for a year.
Currently I'm on Test Cyp. I can't speak wth authority as to how long the BC effect would last, because I stay on it.
First off this is a product for men...so why would they even have an opinion? Oh because they have dealt with side effects for all these years? Not our fault every girl that likes cum inside her begs her Dr for a prescription despite the side effects. Want a pill without side effects? stop buying the version that is out.
I was wondering when I would see this topic here lol
Lol 😁 i got a vasectomy i know some want children but i sure as hell dont
on a different part of a certain site, people who know a lot about hormones break down why this was a stupid experiment, and why these side effects in men are indicative of serious problems (like potential permanent infertility) rather than just an inconvenience.
Male birth control is a fucking joke, use a condom, cheap and effective. Protects you from unwanted babies and STD's. No need for pills or other chemicals.
its more like "bitch, why don't you science up and make a better product."
a girl on my feed, jokingly, but ironically commented "HAHAAHA WHAT WOMEN" on the link
Only 1.3% of men were dissatisfied with the drug. 4 of the men also got their partners pregnant. If I crunch the numbers, that's about 1.3% of men got their partners pregnant.
Men are literally willing to do anything that doesn't leave them with a baby to take care of.
Why are you giving that comedian attention? It's like free advertisement. Ignore the troll
termed TRIVIAL side-effects like acne, mood swings, changes in libido and weight gain.
Fusion is a left leaning media outlet btw. HAHAHA only our essence as a man is impacted as we lose our libido. This is just trivial effect though
My request to all of You is to not cut slack on any of these women : RP Women , feminists , libtards, everyone . They are all equally cunning and guilty .
Taking hormones to temporarily change your sperm count can't be a good idea.It contained estrogen,so some of the side effects were erection problems and moodiness.
It's really bad idea,although quite effective for birth control.
Never listen to women about birth control, if men got the pill in 1960 there wouldn't have been an "accidental pregnancy" for 56 years.
Most of the comments were about women bearing the responsibility of contraception, yet I've spent hundreds on condoms by now, and a lot of girls refuse to get in bed with me without them, and it's always 100% my responsibility to produce the condom.
I've never been with a girl who had a condom with her. I've never been with a girl who has ever bought a pack.
Also, don't most woman take birth control because they want less severe/often periods? And most guys would be happy to have their own contraception that isn't condoms because every guy in here agrees that condoms suck.
But if we do get a good contraception like this, then condoms would probably go extinct or become rare, and with that, STDs would likely skyrocket.
But for real? These guys are taking part in the testing process of a drug. If any man or woman tested any drug and the side effects became too great, again, on a non FDA approved drug, you would likely drop out of the testing. Women take birth control because they don't have to sign a waver that says, "I WILL NOT SUE YOU IF I EXPERIENCE SIDE EFFECTS." They are legally protected and with that protection comes a relative amount of security and faith that you will be OK if you take that drug. That security is not apparent when testing an experimental drug.
My last point is just this - These men didn't have to test anything. They could have said, "Fuck it, let it be women's problem." Instead, they took part in the test, signed the waivers, and helped this company test a drug that could alleviate the stress of birth control for a large portion of women, so why berate them? These types of women are so often difficult to take seriously.
I wouldn't even engage those beasts. Arguing over something like personal choice is kinda inefficient, and well, just pissed everyone off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJL7I9_UzL0
How did OP get endorsed?
Shocking.
Find better friends.
Get over it.
Then you should reflect on your 'needs'.
Coming from someone with a vasectomy: Stop being a bitch and get a vasectomy. I had it done in my early 20s.
This thread reeks of the same "muh feels" bullshit you find every day on 2x. You were born a man, and therefore have to take on all responsibility when it comes to social and reproductive issues. I'm amazed this is such a recurring topic here.
Preach on, man. I got my vasectomy on the NHS last year (for free). Never felt better.
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Which is nowhere near as effective as birth control options women have, given that they have an effective rate of 98% if used perfectly, and 82% per year given typical usage. Doesn't exclude mishaps like breakage either.
Couples that use a condom only will find upwards of 18% of them getting pregnant within that year.
The only argument I care about is that its HER BODY, her responsibility. Women have more to lose than men when it comes to pregnancy. Sure, you can get raped for alimony, but her chances of scoring Chad millionaire have gone to 0.
The only reason why men are even considering this, is out of fear of "Im totally on the pill" and then "it doesnt work 99% of the time".
The only reason men want it is because they will get screwed over. Men cannot escape the consequences of a pregnancy, but a woman can. If the condom breaks, she can take a morning after pill. If she doesn't realise the next morning, she can get an abortion. If she doesn't want an abortion she can have the child and hand it over for adoption. If she wants to keep it, the state will support her and go after the father for child support (ie, support for her).
Once she is impregnated, the man has no rights. He cannot demand that she terminate the pregnancy, he cannot demand that she has it adopted, he cannot waiver child support on the grounds that it was accidental and never intended there to be a child.
Her body? Fuck that, once she is pregnant it is two bodies directly, and a third that is conscripted to support the first two.
Right, they can't get a Chad, but they have a near infinite supply of betas just ready and willing to step in to be their bank account all because they think it'll get them laid...
This is wrong. Shit, we just had a thread on Mariah Carey and a Billionaire the other day. And Didn't Elon Musk and that other rich guy basically share some slut?
In fact, everything you posted was wrong. Take another downvote.
Yeah, Mariah Carey is representative of all women.
Not to mention that billionaire is no Chad.
Youre a smart lad arentcha?
Have you ever heard the phrase "All Women Are Like That (AWALT)?"
If no. You have some reading you need to catch up on.
Have you ever heard of this thing called "an argument"?
If no, you have alot to learn.
lol. So that's a no. Got it.
Keep on keeping on. Let me know when you wake up.