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Girl on OkCupid subreddit feels guilty because Nerdy Ned constantly showers her with affection/gifts while Cocky Chad barely responds to her texts - and guess who her vagina is tingling for.

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Summary: Douchebags get to fuck the girl. Nice guys get to pay for her dinner.

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We've all heard the conventional wisdom from our bluepilled brethren. Don't play games, that's childish. Always mean what you say to women. Don't lie to women. Just be yourself.

Well, let's take a stroll over to the OKCuckolds subreddit to see what women actually respond to. Hint: it's not the enthusiastic nice guy who's always punctual and eager. It's the asshole.

I've hit it off with a great guy (let's call him "A") recently. I find him attractive, he seems to find me attractive, he asks me out and always follows through with the date, he eagerly agrees to dates that I suggest, he initiates text conversations with me, and we get along really well.

Then there's this other guy (let's call him "B"). I wouldn't say I have better physical or conversational chemistry with him than with A. The main difference is that whereas A is clearly interested in me, B is not so much.

To give you some examples: B rarely initiates plans with me. When I ask him out on dates, he usually says something like "maybe" and then leaves me hanging until the day before. Even when he's said yes to dates, he has a tendency to cancel without offering to reschedule. He's openly told me about other girls he's seeing.

Despite all this, I find myself pursuing B more than A. I'll drop plans I've already made for B, which I wouldn't do for A. When B cancels on me, it's so much more deflating than if A were to do that (because I know A would reschedule promptly).

Has anyone else struggled with this unhealthy dating mentality? How have you overcome it? Logically, I know that I want a relationship with someone who pursues me as much as I pursue him.

Poor OP. I have to say, it must be hard for a woman to be self-aware about her nature and yet a slave to it. Society tells her that women are empowered and independent now, that nice guys are the real winners. And certainly Nerdy Ned up there is the nicest of nice guys. Always excitedly says yes to every date. Replies to her calls within minutes. Probably pays for dinner.

But... her heart yearns for Chad, who won't even so much as acknowledge her text message. Guess who's getting anal later tonight and who's not.

TL;DR: Women respond to stoic men who are distant and aloof. It intrigues women, makes them feel like the man has better social status. The nice guy, on the other hand, constantly orbits a girl with love and kindness and will never - ever - get nearly the same desire and affection from her.

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Title Girl on OkCupid subreddit feels guilty because Nerdy Ned constantly showers her with affection/gifts while Cocky Chad barely responds to her texts - and guess who her vagina is tingling for.
Author needsomehelp3211
Upvotes 676
Comments 208
Date 05 January 2017 11:56 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/39710
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5ma3pj/girl_on_okcupid_subreddit_feels_guilty_because/
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[–]pehsxten382 points383 points  (36 children) | Copy

I love reading this stuff. Just because I used to be that guy and knowing that I'm not anymore.

[–]androidrhyme147 points148 points  (6 children) | Copy

Seriously dude, reading stuff about about betas that sound just like how I used to be is empowering

[–]pm_me_the_best_tits64 points65 points  (2 children) | Copy

it just reaffirms how far we've come

[–]AncientScrolls19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dating works the same way as Economics work. When you have an item which is easy to find everywhere its price falls quickly, while another item, which is extremely hard to find and a lot of people are looking for, has a tendency to have an increase on its price.(Rule of Supply and Demand).

Same thing in the dating market. The more you make yourself available to any chick the less she will value and respect you, since she will think you will always be available and easy to get, just like a product that is cheap and everywhere. While the guy who is hard to find and talk with is going to be way more pursued by her, since she will think she might lose him for another chick, just like a rare Gem that is hard to find on the market.

[–]jonivaio35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me it also enlivens the great sense of gratitude for this enlightenment. I am very thankful for fateful chance of discovering The Red Pill. It makes such a difference in my life.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its also reinforcement.

Backslides do happen and one needs to be on guard to prevent his natural instincts from sabotaging self

[–]NaughtyFred11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm at the point where I don't even get mad anymore reading these.

[–]RedAntidote7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

That and realizing that you've transformed into the B guy in the story. It's a reminder of progress.

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (1 child) | Copy

Stories like this give me knowledge boners

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

"knowledge boners"

Dude, sweet!

[–]A_yoshi_Egg73 points74 points  (22 children) | Copy

exactly. chilled with this girl on new years. theres a guy thats constantly hitting her up 24/7, always trying to initiate contact, going for deep emotional conversations constantly, paid for her 120 dollar NYE party ticket, etc... He has been going at this for months now and still has yet to score

on the flip side this girl messages me semi-frequently and i usually just send her one word replies and am generally disinterested (im honestly more interested in hitting the gym and getting in better shape). ive also openly talked to this girl about the other girls that want my cock.

guess who fucked her brains out the same week that he payed for all her shit? yours truly. i ddint even have to try. she rode two busses which took over 2 hours and walked to my place. within 15 minutes we were fucking. i want to say something to the other guy but i dont think he will get it. he constantly showers her in affection but alas, no tingles. TRP is truth boys.

side note: this is the same girl that says she "doesnt like guys with muscles". bullshit. she couldnt keep her hands off my pecs, abs and shoulders the entire time. and shes coming back on saturday for round 2. TRP is truth boys. amen to that

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen36 points37 points  (7 children) | Copy

i usually just send her one word replies

Time to go to the next level and take the "one emoji only" challenge. Try to answer all her texts with just one emoji.

[–]drty_pr12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

Thats hilarious. Think it will work on my wife?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well. Why not give it a try?

[–]drty_pr16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

72 hr challenge inacted as if now.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP. Where real science happens.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Post a field report when done

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That actually sounds like fun

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

Any guy who pays for another chick's ticket when he hasn't even banged her yet is an idiot. Heck, I'm pretty sure even guys in relationships wouldn't buy a $120 ticket for New Year's Eve for their girlfriend.

[–]A_yoshi_Egg7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck man id never take a girl to a rave anyways. Been there done that when i was BP and im sure you can guess what happened.

[–]Sunshine12e points points [recovered] | Copy

Eh, You would be surprised how much some guys spend.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I heard a story on Tom Leykis radio show about some dude living in Hong Kong, who flew to New York City to visit ONE chick and she blew him off. Not just that, but she didn't even ask him to come. Imagine spending all that money for nothing. Especially when there are probably tons of great women in Hong Kong.

The dude was such an unbearable pussy to listen to. Even in mydays when I was terrible with women, I would never go this far for some pussy.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy

Just like you shouldn't be captain save a hoe, don't try to enlighten the masses to TRP, it's not like he's your friend and you can drop the more mainstream red pill truths on him over time to see how he responds.

You would literally be be messaging him hey I'm fucking the girl you like but here is TRP that will tell you how to change your life for the better but you will never have a shot with this girl ever because you fucked it up. Well tootles have a good day.

Some people don't want to leave the matrix, some people arnt ready, some people will fight to protect it

I know TRP says to not inject your morals at other people that bang someone else's wife / GF , but the only time I was tempted to message a dude about me banging his girl is when I found out they had been dating for 5 years.

I felt like shit but as I've moved on and experience more of life I saw the female truth play out harder then I'd ever seen before with her, she wasnt just cheating on him physically(which she was with multiple people) she was talking to another guy and branch swinging to a older, more wealthy, taller, and in a higher job position then her current BF.

They will keep you around so long as they can't find anyone better emotionally and of there is a social ramifications for breaking up with you (marriage, financial, or her friends/family being pissed at her enough were she would feel "regret") then they will cheat physically using tinder or bumble or coffee meets bagel , if they can do both then they will.

They seriously look at you like a job and are constantly asking themselves if they can do better..

[–]peterson20049 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I always say, people have the right to know - but they also have the right to remain ignorant. Don't ever force knowledge.

[–]Docbear641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is good , I'm going to steal this .

[–]Koryphae_3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know about you but I haven't considered TRP just being for picking up nice girls.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In truth yes, but generally people have success to some degree in the professional world even if they are a Bata,

Girls on the other hand,

[–]IdkWhatchanged17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wow hahaha...this shit hit home, I wouldnt recommend talking to him, never know how a desperate dude is going to react

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That and I don't mind keeping the competition generally scarce. That is to say... Lets keep our top 1% that we generate here the top 1%.

[–]metalhead49 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had this HB9 give me LMR a couple weeks ago. She didn't have sex with me so whatever. I openly told her I was seeing other women but I wanted her the most. Queue next week I'm fucking her brains out for 2 hours.

This is a chick who said she doesn't do hookups and only has sex in relationships. Well now look at you....

[–]cheezyk4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say a word, too much risk not enough reward.

Its tacit knowledge, you buy into TRP cause you seek the knowledge of your own accord. You earn it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some treat it as depressing but it's actually quite liberating to know I can still do whatever the fuck I want to do and it only makes the game easier. For a long time I thought I had to be available and constantly doing what she wants but the opposite is true.

[–]flacidd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

At least you've learned. Some people are just meant to be doormats. And they live life wondering what they did to deserve it. Sadly, assholes finish first.

[–]vagbutters157 points158 points  (7 children) | Copy

This just reiterates the core tenets of the RP. Be physically fit, well groomed and have abundance mentality. The second that you show your ability to drop everything going on in your life for the whims of her hamster, she loses all respect for you. Live the life of a busy, smart and attractive man, not the beta faggot who listens to her woes and gives her easy validation.

[–]LittleWindowpane points points [recovered] | Copy

Neediness = unattractive, shows you can't get any.

[–]GnarlyBellyButton874 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neediness shows desperateness.

[–]tuffbot3241 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Pretty much. Surprising how that comment, which isn't quite accurate, is getting so many upvotes on here.

[–]circlhat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

with a influx of new members this sub becomes seduction + twoX , no were did she mention she was dating a body building, but he makes that assumption to shame any male not getting any sex it must be because of your muscle and not your neediness.

[–]ethan8627 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. That which is easily acquired is not highly valued.

[–]circlhat-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This isn't a core tenets , abundance mentality is though and your ability to drop everything.

If a physical fit guy is beta you will sure bet his ass will be drop for a skinny nerd video game player

[–]throw17453114 points115 points  (23 children) | Copy

She's refreshingly self aware until the end.

Logically, I know that I want a relationship with someone who pursues me as much as I pursue him.

Logic doesn't stand a chance vs what she will actually be attracted and responsive to.

[–]Returnofthemack337 points38 points  (8 children) | Copy

yeah, and their 'logic' is predicated on misguided beliefs and ideologies about how things 'should be' '. If their logic was based in reality, they'd likely see how logical their feelings are in that context. Whether or not you want to fight your biology is another thing entirely

[–]segagaga33 points34 points  (7 children) | Copy

To be fair, there is actually generally good reason for BP logic, and that is its how society should be. But it isn't working without the law and religion and marriage-as-an-oath to enforce pairing, and thus RP reveals when and why women break the BP ideal for their chance at chad.

[–]soupit points points [recovered] | Copy

This is a very astute observation here and deep comment for such few words especially. There can be entire new posts/discussions on what idea you're saying here; well there very much most likely has been and will be more. It also plays into the greater "Redpill" philosophy like in the political sense that is beyond the scope of this sub.

It's incredibly interesting and it says a lot how the ideas/movement of the 'greater' Red Pill philosophies all stemmed from and took the name of the truths that are revealed here. TheRedPill also answers the WHY's behind the HOW's of gender relation psychology of the Pick-Up-Artist/Seduction knowledge.

^ (To be clear I mean to say that whereas PUA/Seduction knowledge will teach and expose one to the HOW's of navigating gender relations, TheRedPill will answer WHY that stuff works; The Seduction community will often cite 'instincts/biology/psychology' of women, and even men, to explain why their stuff works, but they rarely delve into this stuff in the way that TheRedPill does. Seduction is way more about practicality while RedPill is more about philsophy imo. Unfortunately [?] this is also the reason that if one takes a look around Seddit they'll find many confused bluepilled beta's, and that includes both newbies/unsuccessful PUA's and even experienfed veterans/successful PUA's. It's like teaching a kid how to solve a math problem to the point where they can get the right answers, but not teaching them why the methods they use to solve the problems work; often-times the kid may not even know what they are solving even as they get the right answer. In this comparative example Seduction is like teaching the How, and Red Pill is teaching the What and Why.)

[–]segagaga4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you thats very kind of you to say sir.

I don't make a habit of dismissing Blue Purple or Red ideals, rather the evidence itself. BP can work when nothing goes wrong, but when it goes wrong all hell breaks loose (western decline) and RP is proven right. So the evidence lies with RP, no matter how much we may wish BP to be the way of it all the time.

RP is indeed very much the what and the why of it.

[–]verify_account points points [recovered] | Copy

and that is its how society should be

Says who? Why should some jewish based god morals override millions of years of evolution?

[–]segagaga5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because humans are social not solitary animals, an alpha needs the help of all men in the village/town to fend off attacks from other humans. An alpha no matter how good his frame is, is not going to defeat 1000 men by himself.

It also aids human society and progress if mating with females is shared or couples are paired up, because not only are more children born and can be supported, but also more genes stay in the gene pool which helps with survival.

And lastly and by no means the least, if a bunch of men are denied mates then they are going to get angry and hostile and may attack the alpha (which occurs in nature), revolt against civilization, or even start wars to capture enemy women.

The BP ideology isn't because of Jewish or Christian religion (polytheistic societies paired also) the issue is that at the same time that women have been given greater freedoms, employment and voting rights, they have also lost social pressure on them to marry and lost the religious pressure on them to be faithful. In addition to which adultery was decriminalized and woman gained property rights. The combination of all these things has resulted in society going off the rails with 90% of women competing for the top 10% of men, with divorce rates souring from financial and exploitative reasons, huge jump in suicide rates among single men and large numbers of fatherless children. Not to mention wider sexual degeneracy and the spread of STDs. While the mythological reasons for most of the religious conformity were ridiculous they nevertheless along with the permanence of marriage helped ensure Western society was stable, fruitful and progressive.

The decline is a symptom of many ailments and to fix it needs many solutions.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Should be is relative. What some want others don't. Eg. Equality forced upon everyone is mediocrity forced on all. Those who would be lifted to the mean want it, those who would be dragged back to inconsequential don't.

Religion is all about what some want to the world to be, feminism, sjw victim Olympics, and the idea that everyone is equal are nothing more than another religion based in fantasy. Don't need talking animals and fabricated stories that are physically impossible to be a religion, but having a belief that you use all the same tactics to force your belief on others is quintessential to religion.

[–]segagaga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I'm really refering to religion as a social structure placing ideological pressure on young women to behave in a generally beneficial way. Coupled with religious piety (faith in the value of it) it held women to a certain standard. Not all of it was good, nor was all of it was bad.

[–]slay_it_forward6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy

Just as we can't change what fires up our hormones and dopamine. If you're a guy that responds to big tits don't go to Asia.

Also, don't try to date women that match others ideals. Need one that fires up your own dopamine, not your buddies Steve's.

[–]throw1745316 points17 points  (9 children) | Copy

Just as we can't change what fires up our hormones and dopamine.

On this point I happen to disagree with you. Many aspects of society now are geared specifically toward manipulating dopamine.

Your comment leans more toward desire though - and I am aware this opinion will not be popular - but my view is that sexuality is not necessarily fixed.

It's been a trend in recent times to hammer home the idea that sexuality is something you are born with - in order to remove responsibility or negative sentiment to people who are gay.

This answer is too simplistic though, I'm sure people can be born with very strong tenancies towards things, but these are not absolute.

We have natural desire - for men that is testosterone and the compelling need to want to fuck. How this is channelled however, what can cause this response, can be influenced strongly by experience. It can be influenced strongly by hormones. It can be influenced strongly by society.

If you take the specifics of your strongest fantasies, or most profound sexual experiences - it is unlikely you were born with that.

Delving further into this I think there are healthy and unhealthy outlets for sexuality, desire etc.

A girl may be quite capable of experiencing strong arousal in a situation that is physically and emotionally abusive, with someone who cares nothing for them - but that is not a healthy outlet.

Likewise a guy is quite capable of experiencing strong arousal in a situation that he might not be comfortable admitting, and afterwards would feel ashamed for even considering (think the NoFap crowd) - but that is not a healthy outlet.

We have more control over our minds and bodies than we think in my view, the choices you make, and thoughts you have, behaviours you do or do not engage in, shape who you are, and can be adjusted, altered, strengthened, weakened etc.

This has gotten longer than I initially intended so I'll stop typing now!

[–]slay_it_forward7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

You've definitely done gay shit and now want to justify it in your own mind.

[–]redartist points points [recovered] | Copy

I've done no gay shit and I don't think I ever will, but I tend to agree with that guy.

Gay sex being "cool" is not a new thing. Gay sex was "cool" in Ancient Greece. Society certainly plays a big role here.

If some men want to fuck each other in the ass then I don't care much, if anything it's less competition for me.

[–]NowEarDis points points [recovered] | Copy

Since it's a choice, you can get it up for another dude?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have no problem with homosexuality in the slightest. But I think the moment society embraces it, that is when it becomes a negative. I think it should be "Yes people do it and they are normal, but it is not ideal".

It seems like there are so many guys doing the transgender shit, and I honestly wonder if it was like that in our history or if it's a totally new trend. I'm sure there were always "gender confused" people, but was it so prevalent, or was it just swept under the carpet.

[–]throw174536 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read my post history - I have been fairly open.

I'm not seeking to justify anything.

The strongest argument against my position would be that I am projecting my own - fairly unusual experience - onto people generally, and as such am biased.

However, lets say you're right, and my post is just one long justification for an insecurity over my sexuality. That's a possible interpretation so we'll run with it.

Your response doesn't actually counter anything I wrote - it only addresses my motivation for writing or thinking so.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you have control than gay conversation therapy would work,

women have 0 control over feelings for a alpha male, even if he is bad

[–]Ou-tis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We often tend to confound desire with the object of desire. And we can channel it, like porn addicted who watch gay porn even if they are not gay.

[–]RPXclusive-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wait, what if I'M Steve and my buddy is Arty? Do I go for Arty's type-o-girls?

[–]slay_it_forward0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Arty is gay like cum on a mustache.

[–]spike5515138 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

"He's openly told me about other girls he's seeing."

Well, that's rich to complain about while you're seeing two guys yourself.

[–]2kevin3269 points70 points  (8 children) | Copy

Then there's this other guy (let's call him "B"). I wouldn't say I have better physical or conversational chemistry with him than with A.

So you're more attracted to the guy you don't have better physical or conversational chemistry with, which are essentials to attraction? Jerks can get away with jerkish behavior precisely because they've established solid physical and conversational chemistry.

While I'm totally aware of the "chicks dig jerks" dynamic, this particular story feels more like a guy wrote it than a girl. It's well-structured and doesn't have that "going all over the place" hamstering that's common in women.

[–]consolsnowdnir1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Putting aside whether a guy or girl wrote it, I think there is still some truth in the post. A large part of starting a new relationship is the thrill of the chase. The excitement of seeing a message pop up. The whole teen gushing/giggling as I think about what to respond. That's something that eventually fades (obviously it fades a lot sooner the more you message someone). Guy B is more intriguing only because she doesn't know anything about him.

That being said, I think there's also an element of being too clingy too fast with Guy A. Guy A's clingyness exceeded her attraction to him, which would explain the annoyance. Change the scenario to a married couple madly in love with each other and I'll bet the woman won't find the clingyness annoying but rather comforting (like basking in the sun).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

so sure, let's say it's a dude who wrote it to troll these cucks... the cucks still responded as cucks and white knights do. they don't see reality for what it is.

and i say this literally as i have a plate who i nexted, muted her texts, and she's now texting me about "why do nice guys suck so much? they're so available. and why are women so attracted to guys who treat us like shit? you muted me didn't you." not even joking.

[–]kjdflkas points points [recovered] | Copy

How did you see that text if you muted her texts?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

muted, not blocked. notifications don't show up for her texts, but her texts still show up in the app when i open it.

[–]kjdflkas points points [recovered] | Copy

Huh, never heard of that. Makes sense haha I should look into doing that for some people

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's in the hangouts app on android. really good for plates to make sure they never interrupt things.

[–]mehdreamer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep...This A and B thingy....is typically male thinking. Mathematic and rational. Girls don't think like that.

[–]Wubbalubbadubdubit31 points32 points  (6 children) | Copy

I've been ignoring women for years and it has never gotten me any pussy.

[–]2virusofthemind12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ignoring women completely takes you off the playing field. Men manipulate the environment and women manipulate men.

If you think of a woman's machinations as her play of a psychological chess board, then the Chad in the op's story is a chess piece she can't give a fixed value too as his intermittent reward/punishment behaviour is shifting his value constantly whilst nice guy's is fixed.

Women hate this as they can't play their psychological games properly.

[–]JackGetsIt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said. To extend the metaphor a bit further beta's would be like pawns (very predictable but less valuable). I'd think an alpha would be like a queen that a women can't place on her board and they are very excited at all the power you will bring them when you come into play and YOU WILL! Which is why women love relationships and especially marriage. You've trapped yourself on her board.

[–]RedPillWintergreen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol might I suggest teasing/insulting them every once in a while? It might put you on their radar. That and being good looking.

[–]Wubbalubbadubdubit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am convinced it is just the looks factor. "Good looking" guys are usually ectomorphs from what I can see. Women have this innate attraction to skinny beanpole dudes. Even when a man of another body type bulks up on muscle it is only a fraction of women who are attracted to those muscle heads. Mesomorphs and endomorphs are naturally disadvantaged in attracting females.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

not sure if you are ironic or not but it would seem that you need 2 main ingredients for successful pussyslaying:

1: Semi-Ignore them like Chad Thundercock does

2: (What you lack) give them tingles, something only Chad Thundercock does.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (39 children) | Copy

All that matters in life is HOW YOU SEE YOURSELF. The SELF IMAGE is the key to everything. If you perceive yourself as inferior, you will try to supplicate and please other people. If you perceive yourself as equal status or superior, you will be confident nonchalant and cool, and won't feel the need to supplicate. The self image IS THE OPERATING SYSTEM OF THE HUMAN MIND. However you see yourself, everything else (your fitness, grooming, style, your confidence and body language, etc etc) HAS TO FALL IN LINE with it. It has to be congruent. All women do is notice which vibe a man is putting off. The needy supplication vibe (beta) or the nonchalant abundancy vibe (alpha) They notice how a man sees himself. And then test for congruency. That's all they do. That's what millions of years of evolution have programmed them to do. And once they are sure that your alpha self image is solid, their legs open. Plain and simple. Self image is EVERYTHING.

[–]1empatheticapathetic15 points16 points  (36 children) | Copy

How do you improve your self esteem? It's been my biggest issue my whole life and still is despite finding TRP.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (8 children) | Copy

Fixing low self esteem is way beyond the scope of one Reddit comment, but I'll try to point you in the right direction. First you have to figure out the source of it. Some men are just shy and scared, others have deep seated insecurities about their looks. Some have personality disorders like social anxiety disorder and others. So there isn't just one cause for low SE. Once you know what your issues really are, you can start to tackle them head on. Starting a diet and workout regimen and getting in shape will do wonders for most guys. Forcing yourself to go outside your social comfort zone and start conversations with people is another crucial thing. But the most important thing is to try and be mindful of your negative thoughts about yourself, your self-limiting beliefs and your insecurities so you can weed them out and replace them with healthy thoughts and beliefs of self-acceptance vs self-rejection. Good luck brother and keep learning and striving to be your best self.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Lot of men resent their size... If they did a little research, tension devices traditionally used to fix penis curvature can be used to increase length permanently and pumps used to increase girth permanently. In a year you can expect anywhere from 0.8"-1" given that you use the device 8hrs a day minimum (excluding breaks) as that is how cell division works. You can realistically expect to gain 1.3" - 1.5" length in a span of 3 years.

This is incredible for someone with let's say a 5.5" penis, it makes a big difference. Even an inch would instantly increase his self worth. Problem is, creating a situation where you can afford to spend 8hrs a day with a weird device on your dick. Anything less than 8hr (with proper nutrition) and you're just wasting your time.

If one is serious enough for this project, it will bear fruit. It has for me. I used to be 5.3" and in a year and a half I'm 6" (6.2" on Viagra). But I wasn't that consistent as I sometimes skipped days). It's a huge improvement to me but 0.7" looks insignificant on the tape measure...But it is a huge difference to me.

[–]theredpill221 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Any chance you could PM the specifics of these devices? Fucking gold mine if you make this into a mainstream product that's efficient enough to be used by your regular joe soap.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude it's mainstream. X4 labs, size genetics, phalluson forte. I used phalluson forte personally and gained 0.7" in 1 year even though I fucked up on the regimen. No shame bro it is what it is this is a self improvement forum.

[–]CalfReddit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm am happy with my penis as it is, but what did you do to achieve that growth? I ask because it sounds theoretically impossible

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is not theoritocally impossible. If you know anything about biology, that is how it works. Repairing microscopic damage over time. It's not just for muscles. It can work on vessel cells like on the dick. It will even work for bones you can literally get bigger knuckles by constantly beating them up. Microscopic fractures strengthen over time. Srs look up the science. I am living evidence. With enough patience and perseverance, it will definitely work.

[–]chootey points points [recovered] | Copy

Ever since I saw those pics of guys with blue, purple, and black dicks, I've lost all interest in this. I'd rather have an average dick than end up with one of those.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is like saying "I've heard stories of guys getting injured in the gym and ever since I've lost all interest in working out. I'd rather remain average physique." Those are if they misuse the equipment just like how you'll herniate your disks if you deadlift heavy with a rounded lower back.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

The thing that jump-started my confidence was realizing that I was looking at people's faces to gauge their reactions to my behavior. I would crack a joke, then look for people's reactions. Or screw something up and check if people were cringing at me. When I made a note to ignore people's reactions altogether and just live my life unapologetically, my brain stopped being hypersensitive to criticism and peer pressure.

Identify the traits that you respect in men (like the trait of non-reactivity in my example), then adopt those traits.

If you respect men that don't pander to others, then stop pandering to others. If you respect men who don't laugh at their own jokes, then stop laughing at your own jokes. If you respect men who confront bullies and stand up for victims, then start doing that.

The more your actions coincide with the type of person you want to be, the more proud of yourself you will become. When you're proud of yourself, no one can affect you because you know your worth. You will get to a point where someone will throw criticism and it won't affect you whatsoever, you'll smile and think to yourself 'I wouldn't trade my life for yours in a million years'.

[–]JoRocKStaR15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Meditate man. Seriously. Chances are you know the answers to your own questions but are too scared to really bring them to light. Meditation will help man, trust me! Looking inward is the bravest act anyone can do. Taking action to fix yourself is 2nd!

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If by meditating you mean lifting heavy shit and full contact sparring, you are right.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've never understood meditation. I don't know whether I'm doing it wrong, but I just get really bored.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy

As he mentioned, congruency. Confidence is a by-product of high competence. But this step can be accelerated using NLP methods. If you aren't at a certain competence level at some activity (let's say picking up chicks), then you use NLP to make yourself believe that you're more competent than you currently are; (but you must still practice) and eventually become that level of competent.

It also helps immensely if you're highly competent in other things that you do regularly whatever it is that you do (gym, music, sports, etc). Strive for excellence in whatever it is that you do. And above all, take quantum physics very seriously. We're all manifestations of energy... Insecurity, discomfort, awkwardness... It's all just mental because you are too ingrained in the physical world. Once you believe that everything is just quarks interacting together, the IDGAF mentality follows.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your advice was good until it devolved into pseudoscientific bullshit. Quantum physics should be left where it's at: at the quantum level. At the macroscopic scale, quarks and weird shit happening at such a small scale is inconsequential and, with few exceptions, physical phenomena can be explained by Newtonian physics.

That being said, the mind is powerful and nebulous, so in a sense, I suppose you can borrow from some of the implications of quantum physics, but it is disagreeable in nature.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

If believing in pseudoscience produces results in the physical world, I'm game bro. I'm here to play and win at this game of life even tho it really doesn't matter. Anything and everything is disagreeable in nature but it depends on the frame of reference. 3d would be time to a 2d being that is alive... And if you put yourself in 2d, you can't help but agree with the poor 2d bastard.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Thanks. I used to be a musician and cared a lot about it, I think the majority of my self esteem from that. But I stopped giving a fuck a couple years ago and don't have anything to do with it anymore. I feel worthless most of the time now and view myself with little value. Not sure where to go from here.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 15 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy

You're in the nihilistic phase I was there once. Feeling worthless is because you're not amazed by the beauty of life. I am amazed every second by my existence and the sheer randomness of existence. I must exude this vibe of happiness because women keep commenting about my amazing attitude towards life. Just... Be amazed!

Now that doesn't mean disregard all the rules that apply in the physical world; just be stoic and take it as it is. AWALT is true, Alpha fucks, beta bucks. I see immense beauty in these mechanisms now. It's incredible how a female can convince a low value male to act completely opposite to his biological imperative... And how an Alpha Male can uncover the extreme Masochistic female sexuality just for him and make her act opposite to her self interest.

Live the physical world, treat it is a fun and challenging game, and it's always more fun to win at the game than lose at it.

[–]agrarianabyss2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

How do you get to - and stay in - this frame of mind? Sometimes I live here but it's usually a result of something external, either learning something cool or being in a particular state of mind with friends or at work. I do know that I'm incredibly lucky even to be alive and that the universe is a crazy awesome place but can't seem to hold on to this way of looking at things. Any advice when it comes to that?

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

Meditation and patience are mandatory if you'd like to stay in that frame. But I'll tell you the truth: It's practically impossible to stay in that frame 100% of the time because we are indeed enveloped by the fabrics of reality so it is difficult to fully escape it. I'd say that in my current state, I'm in a blissful frame around 81-87% of the time.

Like any other human, I am susceptible to unpredictable emotions but what really matters is how long you let those emotions really affect you and manifest physical symptoms (like minute facial micro-expressions that bitchez have a keen eye for). It really shows when emotions are affecting you and is very obvious to females. Voice tonality and what not...subtle body movements are not at all subtle to females. The trick then is to briefly feel the emotions, acknowledge it, then let it pass and minimize the "emotional downtime" if you will and normalize again (that is, return to a stoic bliss as that is your normalized state: Believe it!)

Eventually after about 6-10 months of constant stoic practice, meditation, careful introspection, and being patient with yourself, you can expect to stay in the bliss frame a lot longer.

See right now, only exciting things make you feel alive. Things that you have attached an emotional response to. It's learned behaviours that are hard to unlearn; that is why NLP is so useful because it provides you tools to unlearn them. In later stages, you can train yourself to predict a negative emotion before it even happens and instantaneously switch over to bliss without falling for the trap... but at first, you have to devise a mental program that switches your emotional frame at the beginning of a negative cycle.

The amygdala doesn't have as powerful of an influence on men as with women so it can be tamed (and thank fuck we were born men eh?). It always cross-references the hippocampus when it wants you to feel emotions...Hence it is so easy to trick (well once you've become competent at it).

The methodology goes like this normally: Traumatic event > Has this (or something similar) happen in past? > How did it make me feel? > K I need to feel that again, and again, and again! > cycle continues!

The trick is to change it to this: Traumatic event > remember bliss event as soon as negative emotions surface (as a result of programming) > Amygdala cross references blissful event in hippocampus instead > U start feeling blessed > cycle continues!

I hope you succeed in this endeavor bro!

Tl;dr 1. Meditate and introspect everyday; be patient + practice 2. Go to nlpsecrets.com and absorb all info. Website is to the point you'll be done fast. 3. Retrain your emotional triggers 4. Learn to "ride out" the emotions (esp negative) 5. Know thyself well!

[–]monsieur18750 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can you learn about self confidence by NLP alone ? I mean though books and stuffs like that ? If so, wich books would you recommend ?

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You cannot learn self confidence you have to feel self confidence. But you can learn how to feel self confident and as I said earlier, it comes through competence. Anything that you're exceptionally competent at contributes to your self confidence (including being competent at NLP). It is said that 10,000 hours is required for mastery...But you don't have to be a master to be self confident...Just awesome at things that you do. And I myself have found that the learning curve is logarithmic (I.e. law of diminishing returns apply) so it might take you 100 hours to become decent at something, and at 1000-3000 hours, you're awesome at that thing (realistically 3-5 years). This is where patience comes in because it is much easier to practice things that you're competent at rather than things that you suck at doing (music is a good example).

I hated guitar practice with a passion 7 years ago... Now I look forward to it every day to try to get the pick-angle switches just right so I can play like Steve Vai. It's gruelling and hard to get over hurdles when you are already awesome... But that grind is motivated by passion and comes from a position of confidence in your ability rather than the acknowledgement of your incompetence!

When it comes to books, Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people comes to mind immediately. Sidebar books read all that. Gorilla mindset is also a must read. But books can and do have conflicting info sometimes and it is your job to cherry pick a set of complimentary info that best applies to you. And sometimes, it is better to read book analysis rather than the whole book (saves time and you can read analysis from people that are more competent than you are)

NLP alone isn't the trick but it is one of the tools (and a very vital tool to learn how to cultivate internal validation). You do need at least some positive reinforcement to become confident at first... But true self confidence comes from the positive reinforcement that comes internally not from outside sources. But you can't really get to being internally validated without some form of external validation. How much external validation you need is personal and varies immensely between 2 different individuals.

This is entirely my interpretation but for me there was like a "kaching" moment when I started to feel internally validated and you'll most likely know when that occurs. I feel internally validated now as I'm trying to help a fellow brother out here because I know that my words can, and do change lives and that someone somewhere might benefit from my 2 cents.

We human beings are at the core a very creative being and that a higher purpose always crosses our minds (no matter how nihilistic one may be). If Frederich Neitche was truly nihilistic, he wouldn't have wrote a book on it because there wouldn't have been a point. Deep down he knew that was his purpose. This purpose is actually what allows us to feel self confident. The mission that you know you have to do in life.

Tl;dr : To feel truly self confident, you must live out your purpose and mission and do creative things that add value to this world. You must tip the balance of your life from a net consumption, into a net production.

[–]xraigekoux-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hi, I was curious which website ya meant since two popped up.

Here are the two results that come up.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's the first link bro Google even lays out the stuff in it. It's a list of NLP techniques that have scientific backbone and none of that modern scam school "pseudoscience" that people like to call out. These are all legit.

[–]hamstercide-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

And above all, take quantum physics very seriously. We're all manifestations of energy... Insecurity, discomfort, awkwardness... It's all just mental because you are too ingrained in the physical world. Once you believe that everything is just quarks interacting together, the IDGAF mentality follows.

... what the fuck are you even talking about?

[–]digitalnomadic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I actually understood that

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How? Well you're a man, right? Men build confidence and self esteem by achievement. You have to do things, earn the confidence, it's not like girls trying to tell themselves they're awesome, men need to prove it. Men prove it to themselves as well as other men, that is how we work, it's what makes us men.

You want self esteem, do hard shit that benefits you. Take risks, get out of the comfort zone and achieve something. Lift, build something, create, endure hardship and thrive. That's how.

[–]A_yoshi_Egg2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

one of the best way to improve your self esteem is to practice something (not video games) untill you are skilled and ready to showcase your ability. then find a crowd that is also interested in the same things. Take pictures or videos and showcase your skill to the world.

Self esteem boost doesnt always have to come from within, sometimes it helps when other people notice that you are capable of doing awesome shit, they will compliment you accordingly.

Being skilled at whatever it is you chose also makes you more interesting to others which will help raise your confidence level, because you know you have something to offer. This is why TRP preaches picking up new, real-life hobbies.

additionally, and obviously, getting your body in top shape will help loads because you know that you are strong and able to protect yourself and others (your girl).

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Thanks. I said this in another comment but I've been a musician for the last 10 years, it was the only important thing in my life. I've lost interest in the last few years and don't perform anymore and a large chunk of my self esteem has gone with it. Not sure what to get into now.

What are your passions man?

[–]A_yoshi_Egg points points [recovered] | Copy

i personally enjoy dancing and giving lightshows at raves. wierdest fucking hobby but ive been practicing for 7 years and it gets girls WET. its just a form of expression of mine and how i move my body that turns them on. being one of the best glovers and dancers at any show is guarunteed pussy. last show i went to i had a girl send me pics of her asshole and pussy and telling me how horny my dancing made her and tried to set up a 3some right off the bat. she was like a 5 so i politely declined. next!

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just had a look on YouTube. Seems like a really fun scene, don't have much stuff like that in the UK unfortunately. Good job! Gonna keep a look out for new stuff to try.

[–]A_yoshi_Egg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

if music is ur thing then go for it there's all kinds of ways to express yourself. just be unique thats all it takes. girls like guys who stick out

[–]awakened1122 points points [recovered] | Copy

hey man, i used to have the same problem. now, my self-esteem is unshakeable.

like this guy said, "one of the best way to improve your self esteem is to practice something (not video games) untill you are skilled and ready to showcase your ability. then find a crowd that is also interested in the same things. Take pictures or videos and showcase your skill to the world."

you must find what you're skilled at. when you're skilled at something, that'll likely be your purpose in life. that will be the basis of your self-esteem.

as a result, your self-esteem will almost never falter. how could it possibly falter when you're so damn good at what you do?

let me give two examples of shaky and unshakeable self-esteem from my life:

  1. shaky self-esteem: in middle school, my self-esteem was based on playing basketball because all the other kids played it. i wasn't a natural. i felt clumsy when dribbling the ball, i'd often miss close up shots that all the "pro" kids could make, etc.

  2. unshakeable self-esteem: later on in life, i started getting into online marketing. as time went on, i realized i had a natural gift of selling things online. i enjoyed copywriting (writing with the intent of selling) and made tons of money. almost every single advertisement and newsletter i sent out had very high conversions. i just had a natural intuition for what would sell and what wouldn't, and i enjoyed the process very much. my self-esteem is now based on my marketing abilities. whenever i even think about feeling like shit, i just get back to work and do what i'm so damn good at, and i go back to feeling like a million bucks.

all the other comments about meditation and getting rid of insecurities work, but those should NOT be the foundation of your self-esteem. if you don't have a main activity/skill/purpose in your life, then all those meditation/fixing insecurities/self-acceptance shit won't work.

the foundation of your self-esteem should be based on finding your life's purpose and what you're good at (it's the thing that you're a natural at, you enjoy doing it, and you could work days on it without stopping). i highly recommend reading Mastery by Robert Greene for more info on this, and I also recommend trying out many various activities to find out what it is you're good at.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey thanks a lot for your comment. I have been a musician for the last 10 years and that was my mission, and I did get some self esteem from it. But in the last few years I've stopped giving a fuck completely and just lost interest and as a result my self esteem has more or less died. I still think I'm a great musician and all that but I just don't care about any of it anymore. I haven't found a new passion/replacement or new source of self esteem. Online marketing sounds really interesting tbh, glad it has worked out well. Not sure what I can do/try as a new job/hobby yet.

[–]JackGetsIt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well said but remember that this only applies to hook ups and short term relationships. LTR's prefer alpha bucks but will eventually chunk their alphas that for alpha bucks and then when they are older and don't have alpha options they will settle for beta bucks.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is why feminism is the most misogynistic ideology out there. This woman feels terrible for not being attracted to the sensitive dependable guy she's been brainwashed into thinking that what women look. She shouldn't feel like that, just like men shouldn't feel ashamed that they love big tits on a young woman.

[–]Docbear640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it's so odd when you meet a typical Nice Guy and mention oyu actually like the bodies of women . I'll never understand how a grown ass man can recoil at the thought of like a womans body . It's mind boggling , even in my bluest of blue moments I couldn't deny being attracted to the female form , I'd imagine men like that are beyond sexually repressed .

[–]realsimp points points [recovered] | Copy

The key detail in this story is that OP mentions twice (once in her post and again in the comments) that Guy A and B are about equal in terms of physical attractiveness.

The dealbreaker was behavior. Guy A acted beta. Guy B acted alpha.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anybody else notice the irony of naming the beta "A" and the alpha "B"?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm finding it had to believe honestly. Guy A has attractive traits that boosts his ltsmv, but advertises himself poorly for the initial wow factor.

[–]Filthy_Rich_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Guys have a hard time wrapping their heads around this concept. Logically, Guy A should be the winner. I mean he sounds like a winner to me. He shows interest, effort, he takes her opinion into consideration, and he seem dependable. You have to throw logic out the window when you're dealing with women though. They all want what they can't have.

[–]TheJedi_Lied0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I honestly think we've been conditioned to think illogically about relation dynamics. This interaction makes the unplugged say "duh." Once you get it, there's a lot of logic there.

[–]jotenko8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reading this shit and realizing how I used to behave is both infuriating and hilarious.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I can attest to this. I always do better with girls if I'm cold and distant. I don't want to be but this is how it is.

[–]realsimp points points [recovered] | Copy

Could you elaborate. I'm interested in your game

[–]theredpill222 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not him, but firstly, SMV trumps everything. You have to be on her radar initially.

When you meet at first, let your eye contact linger for a split second longer than you would with anyone else. Then pretty much ignore and treat her like you would treat anyone else in a social situation. Early on, never give her more attention than the other people around. Enjoy everyone's company equally. This shows you're not needy and will make you more liked within the group as a whole, which is essential. Make an effort to include everyone in the conversation. Always laugh the loudest, but don't always laugh.

This proves that you're high value and if you're good at it, she'll be the one vying for your attention.

Give her very limited indicators of interest, check her out "subtly", enough that she notices, but no one else does. If you want to come across as a powerful male who gets whatever woman he wants, these are the litrle intricacies that are important. Now when she starts trying to talk to you, after you've subtly shown your interest, it looks to the other members of the group that women are throwing themselves at you and you're not even trying. I don't need to say how powerful that is, not only for gettting the approval of the other women in the room, but also the approval and respect of the men, who will want to be like you.

Now you want to be friendly and nice, but it's what I call a cold politeness. You want her being the one wondering "does he really like me?".

Again, don't spend all of your energy on the one girl. Get around the party, meet everyone, don't limit your interaction to one person. Try to talk to everyone. Since you've established that you're high value, now you can be really nice without coming across as ingratiating or needy. Make a point of talking to the shyer people if you can, they will massively appreciate it and it will make them love you. Avoid arrogant, insecure people, they will probably insult you and try to shit test you due to jealously. We know how to deal with the situation if it arises, but the best course of action is to avoid it completely. More fans / friends, more power. Especially when you have the cold rationality of TRP behind you.

Chances are you will see the girl again, after she's hamstered most of the night about whether that confident, funny guy actually likes her or not. If she's confident, she'll be the one approaching you. If she's shy, you come on to her strong, but this is when the party has died down a little and there's less of a crowd. So your neediness isn't being shown to everyone there, just her. These are the subtleties you need yo be aware of if you want to be both well-liked AND a TRP pussy slayer.

This is all natural when you have a mentality of true abundance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's 2 things: women like validation, and people want to impress those they respect. As well, wanting to impress someone implies that they are of a higher social status than you. Like the girl in this post, women crave validation but want it from a source that it is hard to obtain it from. She likes the bad boy because he rarely gives her the time of day, so when he does it means so much more to her. This feeling of validation from a difficult source will lead to her trying and impress him with looks or other. And since people respect and like (not always consciously but subconsciously) those people, she'll end up liking him even more. Women are attracted to people with high social status. In contrast, the guy that compliments her all the time is giving her validation while also not requiring her to impress him. He has put himself either on her social level or below by complimenting her often. Through trial and error this is what I've found. I might be wrong on all of this. This is why I rarely compliment girls. It also helps that I have "resting bitch face" so I always look unimpressed with people. People are constantly trying to impress me because it looks like I'm unimpressed all the time. That isn't intentional though. I'm on mobile so sorry if formatting is shit and my explanation is trash.

[–]Conceited-Monkey8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Based upon what she says, the B guy has other irons in the fire, whereas A seems to be focused on her. Given the way her brain works, B is therefore of higher value.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is written as if I would post it directly to the okcupid subreddit thread.

I think that no one has really mentioned attraction. Logic is one thing. Attraction is another. Thoughts of attraction are one thing. Actions of attraction are another.

I'm going to put it bluntly, it seems that B is doing the trick. A can't do the trick. I think it's also important to note that this is not a relationship so the name of the game is dopamine. Which amusement park ride gives the most excitement.

It seems that OP is looking for a relationship, pitting two guys together for a duel with the highest value man (to her) of the two taking the throne. A paragraph of praise written for a man she is pursuing less than a man who did not get a paragraph. Suffice to say that it shows that OP is not looking for a relationship, and is going to bangville every weekend for the time being.

I'm not sure why a man with real options would go for someone like OP for a relationships. Seems logical to rent but not own (like B), and hold out for something much better to own (If a guy is into relationships).

Edit: Funny how I couldn't find anything about attraction over on that subreddit, but here, the third highest rated response is about attraction.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Where's Bangville? I can't find it on my map anywhere.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

About 10mins North of Whoretown.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

On the over side of Tangtown, but none of the rides have long lines. Chad inherently knows how to get there without a map.

[–]FubukiAmagi3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Douchebags get to fuck for real.

Nice guys get to pay for meals.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered] | Copy

Men bitch and whine so much and it's pathetic. It's like most guys don't realize what a good deal being a man is.

When it comes to women you can be as selfish and abrasive as you want and they will treat you better. So many men have a problem with this. Its little wonder women don't respect betas, who would respect a creature who reacts negatively to its own self intrest.

Betas exist to serve women, and women exist to serve alphas.

[–]Jtr33443 points44 points  (17 children) | Copy

You're missing the point. It's not about purposefully being selfish and abrasive. That's the byproduct of actually having a fucking life. Women aren't attracted to the behavior itself, it's what the behavior IMPLIES vis-à-vis HE HAS BETTER SHIT TO DO SO MUST BE HIGH VALUE.

Read between the lines bro.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered] | Copy

I completely disagree, but believe whatever you want. There are plenty of nice guys who have lives, and plenty of asshole who don't. The two things are not correlated.

Both men and women have a magnetic attraction to people who treat them badly - and then nicely - and then badly again. It is an emotional rollercoaster. The instinct is stronger in women.

[–]Jtr33425 points26 points  (8 children) | Copy

Read what you just wrote and explain to me WHY the fuck people would want to be treated like shit. What purpose does that serve?

The entire reason women are attracted to stoic, aloof men has nothing to do with them being stoic and aloof. Women have evolved to be attracted to these behaviors because those men are the ones who are DOING SHIT. They were warriors, builders, leaders, teachers and on and on and on... They didn't spend their days thinking about how they would take women on a emotional roller coaster. They just had other/better shit to do with their time. Women understood this and became attracted to the VALUE that these men brought.

Think about your favorite restaurant on a Friday night. It's busy as fuck and there's a long line. But the FOOD, the food is fucking delicious. Now, there's a restaurant across the street serving the same food with no line, but the quality is SHIT. You don't LIKE waiting in long lines. In fact it annoys the shit out of you. But you'd rather wait to have really good food than instantly get shitty fast food.

THAT'S the point you miss.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's actually a broken habit cycle, I don't know why brain forces it but unpredictable rewards are far more addicting. Thats why gamblers keep playing and video game addicts keep grinding. They don't know when they will earn a reward and are being fed small, meaningless prizes once in a while to keep them hooked always anticipating something better. Find an extract of Power of Habit by Charles Dihugg

[–]1SeemedGood0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Both men and women have a magnetic attraction to people who treat them badly - and then nicely - and then badly again.

I have not seen this behavior preference in healthy men, only ones that have real emotional issues from childhood domination by mothers.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered] | Copy

Tons of healthy guys get whipped; what are you saying.

Sure, it's not extreme but it's the same mechanism. I call it the "honey what's wrong" technique. Women periodically get sad and moody and men try harder to please her without knowing why.

[–]1SeemedGood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm saying that I haven't seen cruel or particularly fickle behavior on the part of women create "magnetic attraction" in healthy men - mostly it just creates mild to moderate annoyance. Yes some guys get whipped, but the healthy ones only get whipped by careful manipulation as opposed to necessarily "being treated badly - and then nicely."

[–]TheJedi_Lied0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Both of you guys are talking about the same thing. Some women like being treated like shit more than others, proportional to quality of father. There's a grey scale for what women prefer and tolerate, but in general having a life and being selfish produce the same symptom.

[–]Jtr3340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not arguing that the behavior doesn't give them the tingles, it does. I was just correcting this guy on WHY it does. Casanova over here thinks women genuinely enjoy disrespect and rudeness. They don't, but they tolerate it because they subconsciously understand the implications that behavior has i.e. "If he was a beta he wouldn't dare treat me like that so there must be value"

[–]Kolbykilla0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The is the basis of basically all sexual strategy that people fail to wrap their head around.

[–]Ascended_One1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hats down to her self-awareness.

Unless it's fake of course.

[–]morcerfel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hate being B. I really do, but fucking shit man, if it's between being B or being cucked, the choice is simple.

[–]BlackVale1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What are the responses to this?

[–]TheJedi_Lied1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She got the b and a mixed up

[–]AnjaJutta1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Attraction is not a martial art where you can take the moves and apply logic to them. The way women are attracted to men and vice versa is not something that developed in modern or paleolithic times, it's something that developed before the first human even officially existed. It's roots can be explained away with broscience a million times but the red pill is not about telling fibs about stoic cavemen but rather learning first how to add value to yourself and second honing the steps of the mating dance.

[–]1theoctopuss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's the pheromones. Even if they are of equal physical attractiveness, Guy B probably has more T. Guy A acts like a supplicating pussy because he's low T.

Ever have a girl smell you for no apparent reason, especially after a workout? It's them pheromones.

[–]Koryphae_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But aren't threads like this popping up because women themselves to some extent realise that the societal feminism has been forced on them? I mean clearly she wants one but is pressured to have another...

[–]iamneptuno0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't play games, that's childish. Always mean what you say to women. Don't lie to women. Just be yourself.

This is a good advice, as long as you have a real value, of course. Those who don't have anything real indeed often resort to silly games and lies, with a questionable success rate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Chad is like a rich guy and has GODly levels of status in the SMP. Betas are middle-class people. Nerdy Ned is needy: women are scarce as shit for him.

Omega males are super needy with not only sex, but also friendship, which is a big turnoff.

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Chad doesn't have to be rich, he can be tall(in most cases), has a manly jaw, muscular with a v shape, and dresses nice and be social. He can also work serving fries at mcdonalds.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OK, Chad's attractive and has high levels of relational capital; 30 year old McDonalds Chad might not get much success with UMC women.

[–]NotNormal20 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

so act gay, and pretend not to like wimen. Got it!

[–]Navidian points points [recovered] | Copy

Have you seen how women act with gay men in person? This is completely true.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Gay men are usually attractive though. The real kind of gay, where they were born that way, not the "I can't get chicks so I'll try sucking a dick" kind of gay (according to my gay friend's wisdom).

[–]JizzWall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That was me as well. it's hard to even believe i was that guy at one time. It hurts actually at how many times i've been duped.

Live and learn!!

[–]GnarlyBellyButton870 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's impressive and meta how she acknowledges that she has discrepant feelings and clearly sees that her biology betrays her. She's like the real life Deadpool.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guys wish they could like ugly or fat chicks all the time.

EDIT: If they are otherwise attractive and the only thing holding you back is their looks.

[–]Xeloda850 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

God damn that latter part sounds like me today. The prior sounds like myself 3 1/2 years ago.

It feels good becoming Chad. My question to the ECs is, if you find a young low count partner that's interested in being moulded by what you think is right,... How long can you keep the AP/BB paradigm up with a good potential long term chick that you've vetted. She's always wanting my dick, likes to cook and clean healthy. Didn't go to the liberal academia out of high school... And a slew of other things.

Like when do you start giving her a beta bone to ease her feels ?

[–]notjaysmith0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So... from one side females do not approach me and from the other side i should be asshole to them???

It seems like this is a ticket for an eternity of loneliness. Plus i do not like being a dick and i do not like being the douchebag that thinks he is better than asking a girl out

[–]brinkleybuzz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"When a man does exactly what a woman expects him to do she doesn't think much of him. One should always do what a woman doesn't expect, just as one should say what she doesn't understand."

Oscar Wilde

[–]Horus_Krishna_50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol let me guess, this was hastily deleted cuz it proved red pill, that's why this is archived.

[–]Spiderjoy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In Asia the guy who pumps the cash pumps the pussy. No money no pussy.

[–]Mckallidon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Respond to the complete opposite of who women say they are. Women are so full of shit they bullshit themselves.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

According to most red pillers the nice guy isn't really nice and expects something in return while the douchebag is not a douche at all but in reality a guy who isn't a push over and works out 10 times a day.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

once I've seen one of these I've seen them all.

no surprises for me here at all. just Be the "B" guy and not the "a" guy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It still makes me laugh every time I read "OKcuckolds".

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Despite all this, I find myself pursuing B more than A.

I literally laughed out loud at this, because she's proving everything on this sub correct.

[–]redpillnexus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow, she even named the two guys "Alpha" and "Beta". It doesn't get anymore real than this.

[–]myschadenfreude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never buy them anything except Happy Hour drinks. That goes until you're in a LTR, and only then it's metered. If she doesn't get you birthday or Christmas gifts, you get her nothing.

Showering girls with what they "want" illustrates that they don't want that. Which 1 - Wastes your money, 2 - Repulses them from you because they find you clingy as opposed to reacting to their queues.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lets not fool ourselves here. Besides the obvious personality dynamic that could be at play here. There is a big indicator that B is way above this girls league. Women don't like to hear this but men are programmed to fuck 80% that moves. We get selective only concerning commitment.

I know tons of girls who bragged from their high tower about all the hot stuff men had done to them. But when I asked them about their boyfriends they usually were struggling to find something to boast about.

There was this girl I know who used to brag constantly about all the rough fucking she'd had and the shit horny men would try with her. Pull her thong up in public, smack her ass, offering a quick fuck in the bathroom etc. Very big mouth on this girl, always a wise ass and acted like she could get anyone. She was dating some scrawny fuckboi dude and probably told herself she was close to locking him down. Ended up being pumped and dumped by a 150 lbs Asian boy who got bored of her. Sexual strategy succesfull am I right?

Another girl I know got fucked by a cabdriver in exchange for a ride home, got double teamed after a night out meeting two guys 15 minutes before the club closed. The guy she was chasing for a year left her puking on the toilet bowl right after she begged him for a date and if not a FwB 'relationship'. Anything to keep his attention. But he just flat out walked. Good enough for a fuck, not hot nough for a talk.

This is the hall of fame of the average womans succes. Selected as an All-american slut but can't even get an AFC to put her on his peewee roster. Doesn't even get to sit on the bench. Posts like this make it seem like there's some magic code to unlocking a woman's obsession but the truth is that these are just girls who don't realize they are a 5 chasing an 8. Some of these exmaples I gave you were full blown beta cucks. They just acted like 'example B' because they were dealing with a girl who looks like Rosie O'donnell. Men project and whenever we read a story about a girl on TRP we instantly imagine the girl we would want to fuck. Whilst in reality it's often the opposite.

Things like this don't tell the whole story. Women suck balls just like men do. There are 'Beta' and 'Alpha' women. Women like that will never be happy and neither will you if you target them. Because you will either be example A (within her league) or example B (out of her league and completely disinterested).

If every woman aims 2 leagues higher than she herself is in then no guy will ever have anything but boring plates who don't stay in shape. Ignore these low value sluts and target the hot ones. Girls on Okcupid aren't hot, they are average.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the women on okcupid and pof are fucking disgusting. all the "alphas" talking about crushing it on those apps are ugly faggots

[–]TRIICT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guy A reeks of desperation. No normal person wants to be with a desperate person. Guy A types make it too easy. Aloof Asshole is the way to go.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ALWAYS keep in mind: Alpha fucks, beta bucks!

the only difference here is that this girl at least has SOME morality compared to other women.

[–]truekejsi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. This is the reason why more guys act like jerks towards women. Because unfortunately, being the nice guy who treats her with respect and wants to take it slow, doesn't get rewarded.

from OP post comments...well, we have a winner I guess.

[–]Nosleep70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is good to read. I clearly just started gliding down into the blue zone again I can easily see that reading this. Time to get my shit together and stop being a pussy.

[–]MikeAlphaGolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Had a girl the other night tell me. Oh I was texting with this guy earlier. He was asking me to come over, but he's a bit shit and needy. But it made me realise I wanted sex, so I texted you.

It's relationships on easy mode at a certain point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She should send nudes to entice Mr.B...she should send to me first for quality control inspection to see if they could be up to Mr. B's standards.

[–]Lord_NShYH-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

It really is that simple. Straight from the harlot's mouth.

[–]joseph_fuzzco_Jr-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Would you rather drive 40 minutes to kill and cook an angus cow yourself, or microwave tendies that have been sitting in your freezer for months?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

trick question... the tendies were already microwaved. you must pick them up off the floor.

[–]thisishowiwrite0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The tendies. I don't have the time or the money to purchase a steer, string it up, bleed it and dress it, butcher it, then cook it. I've got far better shit to do with my time.

[–]joseph_fuzzco_Jr-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Apparently, women would disagree with you.

[–]thisishowiwrite2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe. But my experience with women tends to lend itself towards them taking the easy option in most cases. I've seen very few women go out of their way and absolutely bust ass to achieve something.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say I have better physical or conversational chemistry with him than with A.

This is like a chick (that you're hitting on) from the bar saying "I'm not having sex with you tonight".

[–]stomponthesun-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too much black and white thinking here imo.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I bet that guy "b" was just taller.

[–]TERMINUSxNATION-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe someone can clarify this for me:

Wouldn't the stoic and aloof behavior of this "chad" contradict the point of forming a personal (or some type of..) connection with this girl that leads her to be sexually drawn to you? Like where is the balance between being stoic while being "open" and "honest" with women in a non BP way??

Any insight would really help, Thanks.

[–]The_M0rning_Star-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's about that girl's ego. Has nothing to do with either of the men, or how they presented themselves. "Well, this one is like obsessed with me, why won't you do it??" She's chosen to satisfy her ego, rather than her relationship needs. It's a mistake a lot of people make in pursuing a partner.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post, except for the anal part. We've been so conditioned by the (((controlled media))) to accept every kind of sexual degeneracy, it's sad.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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