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[–]RedCBR900233 points234 points235 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
division by zero eheheh
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[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 119 points120 points121 points 4 years ago (41 children) | Copy Link
* Disclaimer: I don't give a naked rat's ass about your feelings on Islam. This was posted as an exposure of the shit show women have created in Western Civilization.
** Credit to Black Pigeon Speaks
[–]GoodMan_Gone31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
I think it's adequately put. I was very critical regarding Islam and those cultures. But lately I am "scratching my beard" wondering if those guys actually have a point with a lot of things. And OC I don't mean the travesties I read about. F.e. stoning for adultery is IMO totally disgusting. Regarding the topic: indeed western women seem to scream from the roofs Islam should be welcome. It's almost safer to criticize feminism than Islam where I live. So I kept thinking on: so what if Islam will conquer Europe? For me as a man I don't see much downside. No pork is a bummer. No alcohol? Meh... I'll work around that. Or take that slap on my wrist when getting caught. But there's not much else which will change for me. I see much more disadvantages for women. But that'll be their problem.
[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
I've been living and traveling throughout the Middle East the last decade as a contractor and they are a bunch of hypocrites. Alcohol is everywhere. So don't worry about that. But bacon is a lot harder to find...
[–]Stabby6622 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The majority of Muslim Americans I've met drink like there's no tomorrow. But I guess it's one of those things like how apparently masturbation is a sin in Christian religions. Oh well
[–]TheLastMgtow4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
That is why they say all their countries are not muslim, and that they should fight to make it muslim.
Kind of like how christianity is in the western world. Where you have these selfproclaimed christian men who marry fake christian sluts.
Its hypocrisy. A true christian would never marry those women.
Under sharia, alcohol is forbidden, so it is tobacco. And that is good. So many of my friends who were damaged by the peer pressure from society and women to consume alcohol. Including me.
I know it is a freedom. But freedoms stop being freedom, the moment there is this pressure from society. Its a freedom that only exists, to profit from your destruction and enslavement. Yet they gaslight us with, but muh freedom. Of course we take the bait.
How is that no obvious? Its the same with prison industrial complex, and the divorce industrial complex. It is premeditated. They know you are stupid and you will destroy yourself. Easy way to eliminate competition.
Forbidding alcohol, i know it sounds weird, but at some point it is liberating. At least for those who would rather stay sober, and be left alone.
[–]MrDinkles77674 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Sharia law is backwards, barbaric, oppressive and antithetical to the western ideals of freedom and individualism. There is nothing good about it
[–]TheLastMgtow7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Nobody said the contrary. I agree.
But to remove a cancer you need chemeotherapy. Islam is the chemeotherapy of feminism. Nothing else can remove feminism, and still maintain something of a functioning society. Comparing islam and anarchy, islam is still better. And you know where the west is walking towards. Tell me one time a civilization could remove feminism and survive afterwards.
It is irrelevant your idealism, if in the end the same freedoms that you brag about in your society are the same ones that ultimately will turn it into a draconian babylonian shitshow, where men dont even know they are slaves.
You cant cherry pick idealistic phases of a civilization. The dark side of the western civilization that you can clearly see now and you also saw at the end of the Roman Empire, and the many Greek tragedies are the heritage of the west. If it all culminates in men losing their rights. And if in a biblical sense, men at some point cant help it but giving priviledges to women, and worshiping them, turning their society into a mess. Then there you have the answer why islam, and to a certain extent christianity was created.
But why would we western men try to learn from our enemy, we are not losing a war or anything, right? Lets just keep walking this path, bury our heads in the sand, and pretend our ideals of freedom will prevail, because we are the good guys, nothing wrong will happen?
Your freedom and individualism is nice on paper. As it is women rights. As it is consumerism and liberalism. But in the end do you want to look good, and be the one who was right, but perish at the hands of barbarians, but with your ideals intact, yet because you were too arrogant to learn from your enemy, you will then become their slave.
[–]MrDinkles77670 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Clearly you have lost your mind. You have let your hatred for women turn you towards an ignorant, backwards, and repressive religion. Should we expect to see you in a suicide bomber vest soon?
[–]TheLastMgtow2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats a very emotional response. My argument is purely rational. And im obviously not a muslim. Read again.
[–]sagilny0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Enjoy the gold. It's a peace offering from Islam.
[–]MrDinkles77670 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for your offering but I cannot accept it in good faith. If you are able to pull it back, I would much appreciate it.
[–]khalilgr1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
But freedoms stop being freedom, the moment there is this pressure from society.
That's a flawed argument because while there could be peer pressure, you still have the freedom to choose for yourself whether you'd cave into the pressure or simply cease to give a shit, just because people tend to be spineless and cower to social pressure doesn't mean they don't deserve their freedom.
[–]TheLastMgtow-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I cant disagree with that man.
But i have seen way too many young men going through a path of selfdestruction and suicide. I cant be naive anymore, and believe these freedoms exist for our own good. I think they exist to destroy and take advantage of men. Certain freedoms make you weak, and thats why they exist, to turn you into a slave.
I dont think its really a matter of a choice, the moment you are born in a community where everyone is addicted or has been. If everyone around you acts a certain way, you will be the outcast. And this goes also to materialism and delusions of success that get rooted in men, and that way they are indoctrinated into becoming slaves without knowing it.
Ever seen a rich man dressing modest clothes? Ever seen a poor man dressing rich clothes? Its typical.
And thats why the youth a lot of them consume drugs and alcohol. Its peer pressure. But its easy to escape it if you live somewhere away from all those troubles.
But if you grew up in it. And it sounds good on paper, that everyone does whatever they want, if advertisement and propaganda was not so intense that makes that supposed freedom of choice utterly futile. You tend to wish it didnt happen, after you see the harm it causes. And you know there are profits behind that.
[–]khalilgr1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Certain freedoms make you weak, and thats why they exist, to turn you into a slave.
And I suppose that robbing people of their freedom to choose and to assume autonomy over themselves and their decisions, indoctrinating them instead into your way of thinking and forcing them to commit by way of regulation, you're doing what exactly? Personally, that sounds awfully close to enslavement.
Slave: n. One who is subservient to or controlled by another.
Slave: n. One who is subject to or controlled by a specified influence.
If everyone around you acts a certain way, you will be the outcast. And thats why the youth a lot of them consume drugs and alcohol.
The issue of alcohol and drug abuse on part of the youth is far more complex to be simply wrapped up nice and neat in such a overly simplified answer as "it's peer pressure"; according to NSDUH, many a thing factors into this equation, from genetics to mental health disorders, poor academic achievement and everything in between, the factors vary heavily and have to be examined on a case-by-case basis.
So while one's environment can certainly serve as a contributing factor in some cases, it's unreasonable to go from that to such a wide generalization and finally to "take away people's freedoms because peer pressure".
[–]TheLastMgtow-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
"Slavery is freedom..." You know that quote from 1984? Thats what it is. Like i said, we should talk about this not from an emotional position. Sure freedom is always right? What about the freedom for women to vote, are you naive enough to believe the intentions behind it were good? That is exactly what im talking about.
We dont live in a society where we can walk away from it anymore. We use to, when we were hunter gatherers. But right now, for good and for worse you will have to put up with other people. And hardly can you disassociate or abstract yourself from society, unless you were born already with resources and you can build walls around you. But for the most, you cant. So if most people are idiots, saying that wont affect you, its not true. Saying that you have the freedom to be a lion when you grew up around sheep, its also unrealistic.
The objective of social engineers was never to manipulate all men, but to manipulate around 80%. The other 20% that may be smart and think for themselves, as you said, may have ways to learn about what is happening, but at what cost. And this is under the pretense that we live in a free world. Yet they know exactly what the masses will do, and they know what you will do.
Freedom is not always positive. And it is always brandished as the weapon that always wins arguments. In this modern world where we live in, most freedoms exist to enslave you.
Would you like as a child to have the freedom to jump from a cliff? The same applies to most young man doing drugs. They have that freedom. And a good father may want to take that freedom away from them. A good father may want to slap his son to protect him from danger, but that freedom you dont have anymore. So young men have the freedom to ruin themselves, brave new world. But maybe in two or three decades when they are at very bottom of a corporate environment, or in the prison industrial complex, then they can see the true intent of those freedoms.
In the same sense, feminism is basically the freedom for women to selfdestroy. And maybe you are not against it. But it is what it is man.
Freedom to hurt yourself should not exist. There should be a clear opposition to it. Freedom for women to vote and to hurt their own families and countries, should not exist either. Or you can say, "oh but that is bad", freedom is always right. Then i guess you will perhaps have to one day lose a war or two before you realize being the "rightfull one", in the political spectrum, means nothing.
wrapped up nice and neat in such a overly simplified answer as "it's peer pressure"; according to NSDUH, many a thing factors into this equation, from genetics to mental health disorders, poor academic achievement and everything in between, the factors vary heavily and have to be examined on a case-by-case basis.
Of course. Did i have to describe it fully? That is obvious. For a question of simplication i didnt detail that. But that reinforces what im saying. Research also the rat in a park experiment. You will see addiction has its roots on the environment. And if you take them away from that environment. You solve the problem. But guess what, taking them away from that environment "removes their freedom". So i guess we cant do that, right? And guess who is not interested in that. Those who want to enslave them and profit from their misery and addiction.
And i will say again, this applies to all the things in our liberal society. The addiction of men to material resources, to women, bad food, entertainment. All of that we can agree are freedoms you would thrive if they were taken away from you, whether you like it or not. So the argument of freedom is losing ground, because its a word that was completely strapped off of its original meaning. What about the freedom from those things. The freedom to live in a society that does not have those things. Isnt that true freedom actually? See...
I didnt say take away peoples freedoms, strawman. I said take away the deliberate poison, and the whole propaganda machine directed at making men addicted to consumerism, materialism and selfdestruction. Simple as that. Remove the cancer, dont promote it, just because it gives some people profits. Most men want to be at their best selves, they dont want to drug themselves, they do it as a cope and because of they are surrounded by people who do similar.
If it means taking the freedom of some men to hurt themselves to save those who want to thrive, so be it.
Society rewards socially young men who indulge in selfdestructive behavior. And punishes and shames men who often take the right decisions . Especially when it comes to women and consumerism. One only has to listen to some of the music being produced out there. It is poison. We could live very well without that. Im sure of that.
It is my opinion. Although i still think your opinion is still valid, and because it is valid, and on the same table the argument for women's rights is also valid, that is the exact same reason why religions say all societies collapse at some point. Because we cant dialogue with people who believe destroying themselves is freedom, and they dont let us take that freedom away from them. So i guess we will let you play Russian Roulette. All we can do is turn our backs as society turns into Soddom and Gomorrah, and hopefully fast, so they suffer the least.
[–]khalilgr1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your reply is a bit heavy and cluttered, so I'm going to attempt to address only arguments I feel are most relevant to the discussion.
"Slavery is freedom..." You know that quote from 1984? Thats what it is.
Except when observing the actual context the quote came in, we see that to remain consistent with Ingsoc's brainwashing techniques, the slogans ("War is Peace", "Ignorance is Strength", "Freedom is Slavery") are all used to reverse people's thoughts on certain things.
It's essentially saying that freedom, which is usually thought of as good, actually results in slavery, which is bad; suggesting that any one person attempting to seek freedom through independence from the party's dictates, will become enslaved.
In Layman's terms, the purpose behind using such slogans was to make freedom and independence out to be bad, ensuring people rely on the state to tell them what to think, rendering slavery a necessary part of receiving the benefits of paternalistic government; the position and view you hold at this very moment is exactly what Orwell deems a crucical condition for the existence of a dystopian society. 😂
Would you like as a child to have the freedom to jump from a cliff? The same applies to most young man doing drugs. They have that freedom.
Uhh, no? A child should not have the explicit freedom to do as they please because they are simply not mature and developed enough to properly process their decisions and any potential consequences stemming from said decisions, no one's arguing this.
You realistically can not say that it's the same here when minors don't actually have any freedom, within a reasonable legal context, to realize any of their choices, as they pertain to drug and alcohol abuse; your argument would be valid in a society which does not criminialize the act of underage drinking/drug abuse as well penalize any adult caught facilitating that act.
Freedom to hurt yourself should not exist. There should be a clear opposition to it.
There already is, I can not even begin to count the amount of agencies, bureaus, initiatives and movements dedicated solely to preventing suicide and other forms of self-harm; however, no sane person will ever argue that there should be legitimate legislation that strips away people's freedom to do with themselves as they wish, granted they are of sound mind and body.
Then i guess you will perhaps have to one day lose a war or two before you realize being the "rightfull one", in the political spectrum, means nothing.
I come from a third-world, Islamic shit-hole which has previously been toyed around with seemlessly by multiple European forces; believe me, I know what loss is, and I believe in this instance, my unique position grants me a far better appreciation for freedom than someone who takes it for granted and is actively promoting the idea that many of the freedoms people like me strive for should be stripped away.
I could care less about winning or losing an argument in the political sphere, but when I see someone oblivious to how good they have it, I can't help but feel somewhat irritated.
If it means taking the freedom of some men to hurt themselves to save those who want to thrive
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
[–]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When i have these debates. Im not looking to win. Especially in this subject. I hope you prove me wrong.
History has already proven me right, over and over again. Men are enslaved by the comforts that are deliberately forced upon them. Its mass social engineering. The romans called it panem et circensis. In China the opium wars, we were fighting so that we could sell opium to the Chinese people. Essentially it was a war for "freedom", freedom for them to to drug themselves, while we profit. These are not isolated cases. This is basically what all empires did. Even the ones using religion as the opium, and expanding through it. The argument was to liberate the people, are the faithful so that they could now convert and worship our Gods. Now you are "free", liberated.
The freedoms you talk about are irrelevant, and the most important freedoms are kept in check. Integrity and dignity, the control over your mind and over your body. As opposed to the freedom of consuming junk, alcohol and drugs, smoking, and materialism, are the epitome of slavery.
The western armies are no longer strong as they were. And the muslims fight to the last man, with little to no resources and inferior equipment. Are we really fighting for "freedom" or are we fighting for money, and we pretend to fight for freedom? They certainly dont fight for money. We are fighting for the comforts, and the perceived safety of those comforts, liberty is irrelevant. Liberty is irrelevant when most of the male population is in autopilot, drunk in hedonism, deluded, afraid, fighting each other for nonsense and ignorant.
As i said before, there is a thing that is freedom of something, and the freedom from something. The Chinese fought for freedom, freedom from opium consumption and addiction. If you dont understand this, and you dont address this then i know you all your ideals are empty, and all you really want is actually comfort and safety, and you are willing to give up your actual freedom.
The west has once again inverted the concepts of freedom. Right now the freedom of the west is empty. The muslims fight for the essential freedoms, at least in their perspective, not mine. Family and health. They are not fighting for hedonistic reasons. Anyone who does not understand will lose the war.
The western freedoms right now is the freedom to be a single mom. The freedom for you to do drugs and destroy yourself. The freedom to be LGBTQ. And thats all ok. If other more important freedoms were not deliberately at stake, and those are the ones the system is not willing to discuss, because they thrive on your enslavement.
"War is Peace", "Ignorance is Strength", "Freedom is Slavery"
This is exactly what is happening in the west. We believe our wars are for peace. Our ignorance is strenght. And our slavery is freedom. We believe the others are slaves when they want true freedom. Not the empty superficial freedom of consumerism, those are the foundations of this system, that perpetuates itself through dissimulated slavery. Just like feminism is nothing but the freedom for women to hurt their own families and themselves, and you deliberately did not address this either.
And many other issues, culminate in the covert slavery of men, especially when we know men have a high libido and high testosterone, and social engineers know the mistakes we will do, that will cause our demise.
If you want to bury your head in the sand, in the name of freedom, freedom that is not even freedom, but slavery, and tell me im the one wrong, because im exposing the false religion of freedom. Then you are just a good puppet. And i cannot convince you otherwise, because you are so addicted to the system and its comforts, you will fight me, the one who is trying to tell you the truth, and liberate you. And me and nobody can liberate you alone, because if you are the only one liberated, you will be ostracized. The liberation of men, starts in the individual yes, but if it does not reach a significant group of men, like mgtow, then its irrelevant, because they won't even know that what they are doing is right.
The same example of the Opium wars. And that rat park experiment for that matter. If you have a sick environment, you will have sick individuals. Saying that you have the "freedom", to be healthy and sane, when everyone around you is not, it is possible but very hard, and the social engineers know this, and know even if you escape, like many mgtows say, you will be the minority in a sea of simps. If it is possible? Sure it is. But very hard, and very unpractical.
As for the suicide prevention hotlines last time i check they were cut down, or became paid services. There is help for women, but not for men. And all that support for women, has a subversive intention. Dont be naive.
I await you answer. And again. Im not a muslim, nor im defending islam, or saying its a virtuous system. All im saying is that islam as well as christianity was created for a REASON. Ignoring it, will just make you lose over and over again, until you are all praying to meca.
[–]ScaredIllustrator12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
man, sharia is a guideline that was revealed to fix up the 'society' in arabia thousands of years ago, where there was a bunch of tribes who did horrible things like burying their daughters alive, keeping slaves indefinitely / treating them badly, and worshipping idols.
i doubt there were any real governments at the time. so something had to be done, a legal system had to be created that was tough but fair. and that was sharia, and it worked. This was about 1500 years ago and was when islam was first revealed.
keep in mind this was 1500 years ago. we now know not to bury your daughters alive. we know we should treat parents with respect. that we shouldn't steal. etc.
islam isn't even anti-women, it just treats them differently and takes into account their strengths (child bearing, being nice, etc) and weaknesses (strength, periods, emotion, etc) but most importantly it treats them with respect; just read the oxford translation of the quran and you'll see what I mean. i read one article on a red pill website where they said islam says women aren't allowed to work. wtf lol? the prophets wife used to do work so im pretty sure its allowed. theres so much other misinformation about especially on these redpill sites. it makes me sad to be mgtow seeing that stuff. maybe they're mistaking the laws in the 'muslim dominant' countries for islam.
[–]JBradshawful4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Under sharia, a woman's word in court is worth half that of a man's. Spare me this apologist bullcrap. Muslim men respect their women the same way people respect caged birds -- pretty, but better off inside the cage.
[–]MrDinkles77671 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well said
[–]Helikzhan0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So your argument is women should have equal rights to men? I'd love to know how you reason this society to be shit and defend women's right to choose. That's gotta be some crazy mental gymnastics.
It's on par with thinking MGTOW and Feminism can co exist.
[–]drapion_king0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So... are you against equality or against it?
[–]ScaredIllustrator-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
women are more easily manipulated/blackmailed/threatened to give false testimony, plus they be trippin, I guess is the explanation for that. So you need two women to back each other up, i dont see anything bad about that really.
You can call being treated differently a cage I guess but they are still free to do any good thing that they want apart from a few minor things that need a male companion.
[–]GoodMan_Gone2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So go and spread this word, brother. You really touched me with your words and make me see what kind of prejudged fool I am. I've read part of the Qur'an and the verse that touched me the most was: beware you soul who doesn't want to help another soul. Also the word of the prophet: "now that the small jihadd (sry for spelling) against the unbelievers has ended, the big jihad against ourselves has begun" I have devoured Tolle's teachings and I know exactly what M meant. . Fighting your own ego... I see the wisdom in all religions: don't attach, don't judge, don't resist. 1: all forms will be taken away from you. 2 if you judge, you judge yourself. 3 the here and now is manifested by the cosmos, the almighty, evolution or whatever the FF you believe in. The sooner you say internally yes to here and now, the easier it'll become. Jesus "resisted" by pleasing against his crucifixion, Mohammed to Gabriel a.s.o. the "yes" to the present is one of the most liberating things I've have learned.
[–]abbefaria890 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not much used to reading reasonable comments. Upvote for you.
[–]247spyz4life9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I totally agree that women shouldn’t be allowed to drive. Every woman I’ve ridden with I’m grasping whatever car part I can get my hands on and bracing myself for impact. Forget lead feet they have fucking uranium feet
[–]ScaredIllustrator6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that wasn't an islamic law though, that was just saudi arabia
in reality, following OG sharia law, women would be allowed to drive but only with a 'mahram' male companion (eg. father, husband, brother, relative). This is because women weren't permitted to go out in public without a mahram companion to protect them. Which made perfect sense at the time (1500 years ago) because of all the horrible things that used to go on before islam came about.
[–]Machomuk891 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Working in a drive-thru, it is stunning the amount of women I see driving with one foot out the window while also texting and smoking.
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Actually even if Islam did conquer them, it is still haram to force people your values, other than punishing them for crimes). Pork would still be allowed for you, although alcohol woudl probably be illegal. Which is hood when you think about it, do you have any idea how much death drinking causes and how much it costs the government? Guess why American tried to ban it a long time ago
[–]ScaredIllustrator5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]robinvarghese111 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Can a non Muslim buy pork in Saudi?
[–]Joseph_Memestar0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No
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[–]jamesthewise103 points104 points105 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Thanks mate just went to BPS to watch. Solid video. Gotta love the hamster wheeling.
[–]DigitalScetis89 points90 points91 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The best part of that video is when some old SJW woman from the Winchester Multicultural Center said "That kind of sign is very upsetting to anyone with an Islamic background."
At which point, any Muslim watching that would say, "Orly? Why should I be 'very upset' about 'Islam is right about women'?"
[–]33ripta31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Would you mind linking to said video?
[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 48 points49 points50 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Here you go brother.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqBkuC4Oh-g
[–]exForeignLegionnaire13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rhetoric level +100...
[–]-Fender-8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
BPS is banned from youtube, right? Where does he make videos now? Bitchute?
[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
BPS is still on YouTube... for now. And in this video his posts a BIG disclaimer to the YouTube censors at the beginning of the video telling them he is not against Islam or Feminism.
He's just making a video about the statement "Islam is right about women'.
[–]joltek82 points83 points84 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
They can't think for themselves.
Would somebody please tell the SJW feminazi crowd who they're supposed to be outraged at!
[–]Diogeneplz13 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone but themselves!
[–]SirScotalot8877 points78 points79 points 4 years ago (62 children) | Copy Link
They unironically are right about how they treat women
[–]Posthistorypolice16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (61 children) | Copy Link
Including the child wives?
[–]ArouetHaise35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link
I think child wives were a thing just cause of the time period. I imagine that there would be no child wives if Islam was invented in say, the 1500s. Or any time after that. Just my guess.
[–]rocko2000238 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I may sound cynical and even creepy, but you gotta reserve them girls while they're young if you want your ethnicity/religion to survive and prosper. Now to clarify that's still pretty fucked up, and no one here can condone it but then again, if we look it with a wide lens, just look at what happens when women don't marry young and instead get "liberated". We get women who finally decide to have babies in their 30s but can't because they can't find a men willing to, their fertility decreases, they can't afford it, etc. Just look at the panic mode Western countries and Japan are going through because birt rates are falling. It's not just things like a declining tax base, but instinctively, who's carrying on the legacy after the current generation passes on?
[–]Helikzhan12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly this. The relationship the west has with women is an abomination to our nature as men. Of course society is the antithesis of nature but how far we separate ourselves from nature is just as important. Gone too far society collapses. Gone too close society collapses. A perfect balance is to reward the kind of nature that benefits society. It's that simple.
We have been rewarding the wrong kind of behavior for generations now. From social welfare policies to late term fertility risks and emboldening women to act on their hypergamy has been a disaster for western nations.
Our ancestors were not so stupid after all. They surely understood themselves and by extension us.
[–]agentofthenigh10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Japan is really gonna feel it. Who will take care of the old?
[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They'll just build a robot for that.
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To be more precise, it was after 1796, when Edward Jenner developed the first vaccine in the world.
Before we could do anything about infectious diseases, we had child wives (and child husbands) because the parents had to survive long enough to at least see their children grow into teenagers, before disease takes over in their 30's.
*I'm not an anthropologist, this is just my semi-educated opinion.
[–]Helikzhan18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
First a woman is easily in her sexual prime at 17 which is actually under the legal age in America. The entire reason America has the legal age so high is to discourage drifters of a mature age pumping and dumping them thus making them a consequence for the state. It's a shifting bar of responsibility so the state can say they gave women freedom and throwing the cost onto men.
Where I grew up it was actually common behavior for grown men to bed girls as young as 14. Yes, even 35+ year old men fucking 17 year old girls. Such is life on the loose and impoverished side of the tracks. Of course not one of them stuck around to raise the kid. That became the job of taxpayers anonymously so.
I'll hazard a guess and say that all the way through Antiquity older men have been fucking young girls without a care in the world. It's just this weird and unnatural taboo in the west because of our perverse view of women and sexuality. Indeed we are the amoral ones. We put women on such a pedestal that men must be so low, so unworthy of them that every urge we have be wrong and every urge they have be right.
Whether she be fucking a man of 40 years or a boy of 15 a 15 year old girl is a 15 year old sexually active. Our ancestors well understood the difference of the two and how reserving young women for established men could garner a lot more support for the state from men in general.
Of course pedophilia is still pedophilia, when children are children but a girl of 15 is only a child by the mandate of the west. NOT nature.
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[–]digint15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago*locked comment (33 children) | Copy Link
I was watching a video by Apostate Prophet and he pointed out that nowhere else in Islamic scripture does it mention any individual other than the Prophet Muhammad marrying a girl as young as six.
If the point is not clear, this suggests that it was not "normal" for people to marry six-year olds during that time and place.
The marriage was not fully consummated until the girl in question, Aisha, was nine years old.
Between the ages of six and nine the practice of "thighing" was "enjoyed" which is explained in detail here [section 5.3]:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Aisha#.22Thighing.22_Aisha
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[–]Raider_Scavver68 points69 points70 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We found an NPC logic loop, lmao
[–]red_matrix19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Forever confused
[–]Diogeneplz15 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As if this is hard at this point lol. This is a particularlly good one to be fair though haha
[–]saharaharahara30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women set their own traps
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[–]JBradshawful5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Go check out r/Islam and you'll see what they think of Ilhan Omar. At best they think she's a useful vanguard, but they don't really see her as a true muslim. More like a useful stooge.
[–]KING_CPB15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the prime example of modern feminism is full of left leaning political actors. Even honest feminists left the movement long ago.
[–]misfits202515 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’ve always been a huge critic of Islam, but after five years of marriage, yeah, I think I get it.
[–]hrm089411 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't get why Islam gets all the flack for "their" treatment of women. Do people not understand that Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity? Jews and Christians have been pimp slapping hoes wayyyy before Islam even existed.
[–]VoxVirilis6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jews and Christians have been pimp slapping hoes wayyyy before Islam even existed.
Yes, but consider how far the Christian world in particular has fallen. 500(ish) years ago you get the beginnings of chivalry and the romantic delusion of love. And its a slow, sad de-evolution to pussy-worship & pedestalization of women in the present day. Church congregations are majority women nowadays, so the pastors know better than to preach what the bible really says about women for fear of the tithe money walking out the door.
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Islam unironically right about women
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I've been dreaming about putting this phrase all over my town: Women won't date a guy that lives with his mom, but they will date a guy that lives with his wife.
[–]The_Cringe_Factor8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly we should start finding more “NPC logic loops”, these bots always find some workaround due to their lack of sanity and infinite contradictions.
[–]Desolatrollz8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The only thing islam is right about
[–]BigGuysBlitz6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Set them upon themselves
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Circular firing squad
[–]simplystimpy6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"We can change them like we did the others!"
[–]thefudmaster3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I say we put these up all over our local areas.
[–]hollydoll274 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That was so fresh and hilarious! Took me back to the "it's ok to be white" signs. Kinda makes me think some should pop up in my city!
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[–]hrm08946 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There were signs saying "Islam is right about women" that caused "outrage."
And confusion. Emphasis on the confusion because they can't reconcile the two beliefs; Speaking against any part of Islam = Islamaphobia, yet agreeing with Islam's treatment of women means being a misogynist.
[–]Joseph_Memestar2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
!remindme 3 hours
[–]AYNAGEDDON3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hey since the bot didn’t. I did
[–]Joseph_Memestar5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks. A lot of drama lmao. I would have given a gold. But I'm poor
[–]AYNAGEDDON1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same boat
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https://youtu.be/DqBkuC4Oh-g
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This video does a good analysis of the memes/posters.
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I'm completely lost on what this means, can someone fill me in?
[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People were putting up posters that said 'Islam is right about women' and the Left SJW types were losing their shit over it.
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Lol
[–]Diogeneplz12 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Beautiful meme.
[–]GoHurtMyFeelings1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also known as the standard liberal cognitive dissonance.
[–]subgamer901 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, you can believe in freedom of religion while disagreeing with that religion....lol
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Hahaha
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Every religion was "right" until the past 100 years or so, when countries started to threaten and shame religions through public thinking manipulation (newspapers, TV), and basically FORCE some religions to completely change their fundamental views. This is still happening today... in fact, more than ever before.
Catholic Churches and Mosques in Sweden are FORCED (that's right, forced) to marry same-gender people. This is just one tiny example. In other countries, they are forced to publicly change their beliefs and lifestyles on thousands of issues.. slowly.. but surely.
The communist Chinese government kicked out their catholic priests and has been training and hand-picking their "catholic" priests for years now, to coerce and manipulate the whole religion in china. These are NOT recognized as genuine by most catholics.
[–]MohamedSakhiri1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well ex-muslim feminists are against islam, ive known some.
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disgusting asf
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Western EU is already starting to mirror Saudi Arabia. All of those reeeeeers better get used to it. Western birthrates are at record lows and and Islamic birthrates are booming. Demographics is still destiny.
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There's a great picture of my province's former Premier, old lesbian Kathleen Wynne, sitting in the back of a mosque trying to suck up votes. Like they would ever vote for her...
https://fabiusmaximus.com/2017/02/22/prime-minister-wynne-visits-a-mosque/
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The mainstream media still doesn't get it
[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? How dense can they be?
[–]lonewolfhistory0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Islam, Christianity and most religions on earth are absolutely right about wahmyn.
[–]hugaddiction0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Team everyone who has been “oppressed” by white men vs white men. Doesn’t matter what contradictions they have with one another.
[–]Aquilam0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is there a reference I’m missing?
[–]Kwen_Oellogg[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure about a 'reference' but Black Pigeon Speaks just posted a video on YouTube a video about people posting signs around Boston saying 'Islam is right about women'.
Does that help?
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MALFUNCTION, ERROR CODE 101
[–]Joseph_Memestar7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bullshit.
[–]SoranoV2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
What I'm saying is in Islam,women are property of men. No fucking feminist out there wants to admit that especially dead brain leftists. Whether Islam is right or not about women, that's the ultimate truth.
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I say no tho. You need to check a bit more. I am speaking as a comparative religious study trainee while you have no qualification to make such statement per se. Heck. Even I don't know enough to give my views. If you wanna give your thought about such a massive religion, which people have written even 100s of volumes about, you're out of your mind.
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Really? dude I was born and lived there for 25 years. You studied it but I've seen it with my eyes. Don't even tell me I need to check a bit more again.
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