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Learn the Art of knowing when to Shut the Fuck Up

by The_BitterTruth | January 17, 2017 | TheRedPill

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"It's better to let someone think you are an Idiot than to open your mouth and prove it."


Let's get right to the point. There's a lot of retarded shit on TRP recently. While I advocate writing down your ideas in order to better understand them - I'm also concerned that many TRPers are taking the same approach they do on this forum as they do in real life.

That is breaking Law of Power #4 with every breath they take:

Law #4 "Always say less than necessary When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.

Shut the fuck up once in a while, for a while. Give it a try. Watch it work wonders.


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Title Learn the Art of knowing when to Shut the Fuck Up
Author The_BitterTruth
Upvotes 728
Comments 106
Date 17 January 2017 02:40 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Nothimorher244 points245 points  (26 children) | Copy

An example of shutting up at the right time was when I was asked by a potential employer how much I wanted paid per hour. I told him what I wanted and his words were "Well thats a bit higher than we normally pay" I kept my mouth shut and after a few seconds silence he said Ok. If I had spoken first I would have handed all the control over to him.

This works with other people as well as most people seem to have trouble with silences and like to fill them. You can also collect a lot of information with that knowing when to keep quite.

[–]iHeartCapitalism points points [recovered] | Copy

This concept deserves its own post.

From what I've picked up by doing this in negotiations, it does the following:

  • Keeping quiet shows you are confident that you deserve what you asked for. You are not explaining why, your silence shows you are confident in your own request

  • It gives the other person some time to process your request

  • You don't possibly sidetrack the conversation. The ball is on their court and it's up to them to make the next move. When you make a demand, don't derail the conversation from what you are asking and give the other person an easy way out

  • And ofcourse, as you said - you remain in control

[–]memphisjohn49 points50 points  (14 children) | Copy

I've studied the art and science of pricing and negotiations. in a situation where you have no choice but to talk first, you want to "anchor" high, obviously.

But the biggest key to success is conveying the message as perfectly reasonable and actually a real bargain - e.g. if you stutter, gulp, voice cracks, blink, anything like that, you lose.

But if you look 'em in the eye with a true air of "I'm worth more than this but I'm doing you a favor" and can hold it, you are much more likely to get the pay you want.

[–]Jasperbeardly116 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

What did you read to study that?

[–]InsideCenter10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not the same guy but in college I had to take a general education class. So I took conflict resolution/bargaining techniques, and we read this book called "Getting to yes". It's like 200 pages and definitely worth it. If you are interested in this kind of thing then that's the book to read.

[–]bishopindict6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Influence by Caldini is better. Read it if you haven't.

[–]EatmyShorts5913 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have cliff notes on that book.

Influence by Caldini

http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/

[–]Maddin14310 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

'Never split the difference' is a book i recently read about this topic. From a former FBI hostage negotiatior. Every chapter starts with a real hostage situation and ends in some key lessons learned.
I highly recommend it!

[–]EatmyShorts599 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have cliff notes on that book as well.

Never Split the Difference by Christopher Voss

http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/

[–]fenghsui3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I personally learned from a Real Estate agent who is a client of ours. Ive been lucky to receive coaching from some of the top sales coaches in the industry. Yes sets, agree and reiterate, a lot of sales stuff is the same as pickup. Pickup is really just selling yourself as a sex object.

[–]InsomniacPsychonaut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

he didn't say he read, he probably learned from living it himself

[–]memphisjohn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's related to my job so I've been doing and learning for over 10 years now.

As far as reading, everything about negotiation that I see gets at least a quick scan. Yes including Trump's books. And biographies of business people - especially autobiographies that have stories of "how I did it" - those are by far the best.

Harvard has some non-degree programs that are really good and cover the science / game theory / biological / psychological basis of various things. I've taken a few paid seminars as well.

I examine high profile negotiations in the news. I even watch silly shows like Pawn Stars and The Apprentice and American Pickers... even though their "negotiations" are staged, they are still entertaining - for example, watching how men vs women haggle.

The "basics" of negotiation are pretty simple and well known to everyone who bothers to look.

[–]wanderer7796 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

The main thing is to have real leverage over them. I worked for a company that dominated a narrow niche. It paid decent, but they pretty much set the terms, cause their market share was so large. You could go in there like with all the steely confidence you wanted, but they didn't give a fuck.

Not to say you don't make good points. Negotiating skill is definitely important.

[–]BurnYourFlag0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you are talking about your experience being hired for this company you are wrong. When going into an interview you only have your perceived base level value. Negotiating for salary shows that you have a higher value then others. It also shows that your outgoing and have high selfesteem.

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, but it depends on the circumstances. Look at it from their point of view, if you are hiring guys to do job x, and you plan on hiring several hundred of them, and some guy asks for 20% more, you're not going to hire him just because of the way he carries himself. If you are then you are reducing your own profit. If you're hiring salesmen maybe, but this was a technical job.

[–]whuttupfoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This definitely. Talk as if you have other higher paying options / bidders on the table too.

I actually did this 2 months ago when I had $0 and was unemployed. I made it seem like I was an NBA player getting picked out by the best teams in the country. It increases your perceived value and makes them see you as the real deal. Walked away with $15k two days later

[–]landon0420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i like this alot, the silence and how people deal with it and what effect it has in those situations, good info

[–]bigk12345[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Couple of Laws of Power

Law 4 " Always say less than necessary"

Law 34 " Be Royal in your fashion: Act like a king to be treated like one"

[–]Stythe5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I did sales we called this "The Silence Game" for Shits and giggles. We'd tell the person the price and then stfu. The first one to talk loses control. It's fun to do and it's totally applicable in any area of life. The amount if times I've seem a dynamic change because one person knows how to play the game is insane.

[–]ManowaR14881 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I got a raise negotiation coming up in a couple weeks. Taking note of this.

[–]Maddin1433 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

read 'never split the difference' before. I guarantee you it will change the outcome of your negotiation.

[–]aanarchist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

great example. do you think silence is better than just being flat out "this is the money i want, i deserve this"? if so can you explain the cons of my example, maybe it's too easy to bruise egos being that ballsy?

[–]Nothimorher points points [recovered] | Copy

During the interview he was the one that asked me what I wanted so I replied and left him to think about it, the silence wasn't forced as I did not feel the need to justify my wage as I felt like what I was offering was worth it. I am sure if I had said some really extravagant wage he would have shot me down rightly enough.

I pitched my hourly rate 25% above the norm for the line of work only because I was bringing more experience to the site than anyone he currently had on staff. For me I am a big believer that it is not always what you say but how you say it that affects the outcome of things. I was respectful, we had already spoken about my level of experience along with me offering enough information to show him I really knew what I was doing.

Being ballsy is only a problem if you use the wrong tone or really don't know what you are talking about. Some people will also say no to a request and if they do you have to then decide to walk away if you don't get what you want, or take a hit to the ego.

[–]aanarchist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see. Leaving the ball in their court makes it on them to do the lifting, so to speak, for simplicities sake.

[–]Byxit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having negotiated dozens of consultancy contracts for myself, I find it preferable to have the employer offer you a pay figure. If you are asked the reply is, " I would expect the industry standard for this position." You will never know what they were prepared to offer if you don't force them to make the offer. If it's low, you can suggest your skills and experience warrant more. You can reference other companies and what they pay, and you can reference industry guidelines. Or, you can walk away. Surprising how often that will get you called back.

[–]refusewool52 points53 points  (0 children) | Copy

How does a fish get caught?

It opens its mouth

[–]LymanRP142 points143 points  (3 children) | Copy

I once received a great piece of advice from a career mentor regarding work meetings that extends to all facets of life. When you're talking, you are providing information. When you're silent and listening to others, you are gathering information.

It's important to confidently speak when you are purposefully communicating information with intention. However, learning to STFU, listen and gather information is a very valuable skill.

Don't talk just for the sake of talking.

[–]iHeartCapitalism points points [recovered] | Copy

You also come across as more attentive and that you really want to hear what they have to say.

So while you are collecting information to use for your own benefit, you come across as the good guy.

[–]CWRUW4-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

And at some point, in my opinion, it shouldn't only be wanting to "come across" as being attentive, but at a certain point the "act" actually transitions into wanting to be attentive. Let other people do the talking. Listen and you'll learn more about what's going on. Instead of being focused on the next thing you want to say, if you let time pass you probably won't want to or won't need to say it because it will be addressed, and if not, you'll have used the time to organize how you want your statement or question to come out of your mouth.

[–]mrp_184436 points37 points  (2 children) | Copy

Learn the Art of knowing when to Shut the Fuck Up

This takes a long time to learn.

[–]memphisjohn32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not really - you just need to re-set your default stance from "talk" to "not talk".

Most people seem to go through life believing that their opinion matters about anything. The vast majority of the time that belief is false.

In almost every circumstance, your opinion is worthless, has no authority or particular insight or value, and expressing it only serves to masturbate your ego while confirming to everyone who hears you that you are not at all special.

This post is included in that category.

[–]wanderer77912 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

pretty good summary of reddit

[–]Jaxx_Teller59 points60 points  (15 children) | Copy

Not trying to find something to say every damn second works like a charm. Force them to react to you. Force them to engage - you'll be surprised at how many women enjoy talking to a brick wall for the purpose of venting. Just shut the fuck up and let them speak you fucking idiot.

[–]logicalthinker12 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

It really is a female thing. They love to vent about useless shit. I really want to just lash out and yell how fucking stupid and petty they are but I take the high ground and just listen.

Allies in the workplace, even neutral coworkers, won't make your life hell being assholes. And that's what people hate about work. Asshole petty faggots who just exist to get in your way and make it more difficult.

[–]TheDialecticParadox5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I just switch off until I realize they're done. Usually because they're saying: "Are you even listening to me?". No honey. I wasn't.

[–]logicalthinker11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do too. Just nod every once in a while to feign interest and agreement lol.

[–]Jaxx_Teller1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Taking the high ground and listening is how you get laid. You don't even have to be paying attention - they secretly know you aren't. But they want to feel like their petty shit matters - which it doesn't, hasn't, and never will, matter.

[–]fwds points points [recovered] | Copy

Female here, I once had a date with this one guy and tried this. He talked non stop for a good 2-3hours. After the date he told me he'd call me but didn't. Kinda super glad cause BOY DID HE TALK A LOT !

[–]Jaxx_Teller2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I understand how it is comforting on a first date to have a guy that can come up with something to talk about. But many times its actively destroying their chances, no matter how interesting the thing he wants to say. It doesn't matter because he isn't acknowledging that the girl wants to hear themselves talk and be heard and validated too.

[–]spew_venom points points [recovered] | Copy

Female here

Gtfo. Noone wants to hear your shit.

[–]adam_varg points points [recovered] | Copy

STFU noone wants to hear your angry bitter rants.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname points points [recovered] | Copy

We really don't. This isn't a place for women. I what happened to this place?

[–]interestedplayer2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]spew_venom points points [recovered] | Copy

Right? There's even a cuck that replied to me that got butthurt because his m'lady needed her honor defended.

[–]AircraftWelder2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

More Captain Save A Hoes every day.

[–]TRPDigesting11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is something I stand to get a lot better at.

But it's important to not do a complete 180 degree turn and transform into a sentinel.

I see it as a matter of "knowing when not to fill the gap."

Filling the gap.

It's when there's a lull in the conversation, or a hesitation from the other party to answer a question, or any number of situations. Be comfortable with silence.

When I was younger, my guitar teacher talked about the importance of using empty space when soloing.

He cited Mike Campbell from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. My teacher revered him as a guitarist, not because he made lots of noise and performed fancy licks nonstop, but because he knew how to refrain from playing any notes at all to enhance his overall effect.

Don't fill the gap. Be comfortable with the silence, and the rest of your notes will sound better.

[–]forgotmyothernames points points [recovered] | Copy

giving a fuck when its not your turn to give a fuck is rarely worth it

[–]logicalthinker13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've learned to give a fuck on my terms, not when people expect me to. Sure, it's pissed off some people, but they get over it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Important with women I have found. If you say something that doesnt go down well and you get an angry response, your conditioned reaction might be to backtrack. But just shutting up and letting her hamster it out for you works most of the time (if she likes you).

[–]Fellatio_aficionado12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Silence is a very underrated conversational tool. When someone says something stupid, just stay silent and watch their words hang in the air. It can also be used to demand further elaboration into what is being discussed.

[–]1TheNincro6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

My father always taught me "If you're going to talk always make sure it improves the silence"

I think being comfortable with silence is one of my biggest advantages.

Its amazing actually, I've had many people tell me that I'm a great conversationalist even when I maybe spoke for less than 10% of the time.

[–]1cloudmax4055 points56 points  (0 children) | Copy

Recently, this bitch planned to have me grab her by the pussy. But... I didn't just STFU and let it happen.

FML

[–]mrcs84usn10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it was Rollo that said something along the lines of "Let her figure out why she won't fuck you. Don't give her a reason."

I've seen my fair share instances where a man that says something funny, the girl laughs, and he zeros in on the fact that she laughed at his one joke, and then he won't shut up. It's especially bad when they keep trying to vamp on the same joke with their eager "I'm funny, right?!" look on their face seeking out more approval.

I imagine this happens a lot in the PUA community where a man has a decent opener, but doesn't know how to follow up and keep the conversation going.

[–]snaptogrid5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Boys and young men today are raised and encouraged (by moms, therapists, TV and teachers) to share, vent and express every single solitary thing they feel or think. It's terrible advice, and as unmanning as jerking off all day long.

[–]blurred_face82 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. I had this problem, you know how did I knew about its importance? Once, I got sick and lost my voice, I could barely speak one sentence at a time, I was thinking four times before opening my mouth, what I noticed is the immediate effect on the people. They paid more attention to me than before.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've had issues understanding this in the past. I wouldn't talk much because I'm not some expert social butterfly. Some good lines here and there, thanks god this wasn't autism level. So I was doing good. Unlike the most social people I was hanging out with, it just took some additional time for people to get used to me. But it always worked, and they always told me "oh at first I thought you were a snob/narrow minded, but actually I like you"

The moment I'd feel over confident and wanted to get people to like me more and right away, I'd try to push forward and keep up with the ones babbling at all times. I could see the interest drop by the minute.

[–]Wilky3232 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This includes ranting about shit on social media.

[–]ManowaR14881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amen. My town has a "what the fuck town name" facebook group with thousands of people. It's always the same morons who are arguing in the comments for everyone to see. I just immediately judge them as dunces.

[–]Shiva-Lingam11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less.

Shutting up is just part of it; saying the right thing in the right way as if you're saying something profound yet barely scratching the surface of the topic and then shutting up is what it comes to.

[–]DesignerTom3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think more intelligent people will recognise your vagueness for vagueness and not something profound.

[–]Shiva-Lingam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe the way I phrased the comment didn't really give that away, but it's preferable if there's substance to what you're saying.

I think more intelligent people will recognise your vagueness for vagueness and not something profound.

I sometimes go to Mensa events in my area and guess what? It works there too.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is my problem. I almost never think before I speak and it's led me to some shit situations.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had this problem too, and being a smartass to boot. I still struggle with it sometimes, but life has a way of teaching you to shut your mouth.

[–]The-os1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Interesting. I'm quite the opposite and never understood why some people don't just shut the fuck up. It's getting on my nerve actually. It's becoming annoying, as if I care what happened yesterday, and the day before that or the day before that or a year before that.

Do you have any idea why you need to speak? Because up until now I haven't decided why I don't.

[–]julius42 points points [recovered] | Copy

It's just a guess, since it's a complex subject.

But maybe you don't think your life is important enough for people to care, a self-esteem issue. And then you subconsciously resent people for thinking their uninteresting lives are worth talking about.

What do you think? Could I be on the right track?

[–]The-os0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know. Of course I had my self-esteem issues in the past. And I don't think I resent the people when they talk too much but rather that I think that they talk bullshit when they talk about day-to-day stuff. But then again, the first part, the uninteresting part, that might be true.

I'm assuming that both things you suggested might be involved but I doubt that they play that big a role (but a role nonetheless).

[–]Parzivil1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

God gave you two ears and one mouth... respect the ratio.

[–]16thearlofwarwick points points [recovered] | Copy

This is a good move in certain situations, but not always. Sun Tzu would probably recommend you use this when you actually aren't in a position of power. It is a good bluff tactic. However in a negotiation if you have a valid point you should make it and do so without trying to generalize or shorten it. If you're in a bad position or unknown territory, its a bad idea to run your mouth because the longer you do the more weakness in your argument you expose. When in such a position you can "appear" powerful by saying a few strong words and thats it. But make no mistake this is a defensive move. If you have the upper hand and weight of the argument on your side being vague will only dilute your power.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

For me, it's Facebook that's the problem. I'm really good st wording things in a way that make people want to listen to me- so on Facebook I can actually create like a mini-cult of people who repost all my shit, buy my art (I've been a professional artist for going on 17 years), send me gifts, etc. Being practically worshipped is very addictive, as is social media in general.

About a week ago I cut 90% of Facebook out of my life. I have to keep my personal account alive or I can't admin my business page, but I haven't posted anything, I deleted tons of old posts, and I only check it once a day for a very short time (like under one minute).

The difference has been amazing. I have so much more free time. More time to get things accomplished. Less time given to others, trying to help and motivate people who only talk about wanting to change but never take any action.

[–]lodro points points [recovered] | Copy

I find it funny that your comment is about twice as long as the OP, which might be summed up as "you guys are talking too much and trying too hard".

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Uh no, it was roughly the same length as his.

[–]EvilDead2011 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What if you're the opposite, as in you never have anything to say?

[–]1TheNincro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You do, you just dont have the confidence to say it or if thats true then just be comfortable with not talking and being a good listener

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a more complicated topic, but start off by doing things worth talking about.

[–]tekvx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Right, but talk to people anyways.

[–]matjoeh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

same with texting, if it's long, I know you're bullshitting me.

[–]FockeWulf190D0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lenin would listen to people until they were completely exhausted, not saying a word except "go on" and "continue". That made them very eager to hear his point of view and adjust their own.

[–]segagaga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do agree, some posts have been a bit wall'o'text lately

[–]aRedThought0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Silence is a communicative action just like any language.

Now say you're at a bar, being silent and not saying is a sure way to exclude you right away, but silence intermixed in a conversation is powerful.

Silence between 2 strangers is thought of as awkward, but it's though that those that can be silent with one another are close and personal. When you breal that ice and that attraction builds, taking a short time like 6 or so seconds (arbitrary) to think about what to say, or to reflect on what was said subconsciously tells them that you are close and it shows that you are paying special attention to them.

If you are midway yhrough a set and you take a moment and she doesn't react, it can be a decent sign that she's made up her mind on you one way or another.

[–]richard9440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I suffer from word vomit whenever I drink coffee. Great post to remind me to stfu.

[–]HuddsMagruder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hand-in-hand with this is the "stay sober" rule. I have over-imbibed the past two weekends and it does nothing but cause me to violate this rule.

Keep your shit together, have a couple drinks and switch to water. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're the exception.

[–]sydneybeachbum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Words have a value.. and its based on how many of them you use... just like finding a woman with a low count is worth more than one who's ridden the carousel, likewise for a man to wait until the right moment to say something profound, elegant and all summed up in the least amount of words.. in fact the more vague you can be the more mysterious and intelligent you appear. Do this and you will have not just women but all people hanging on your every word.

[–]BuffaloSoljah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You have the ratio of two ears and one mouth for a reason

[–]lJunKunl points points [recovered] | Copy

There's so much advice on staying quiet, but what about actually making conversation, being charismatic but also being the one that gains information rather than reveals it?

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good point. I'll try to make a post on this in the future.

[–]Vajesticles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not saying this is one of them, but something needs to be done about all the low-quality posts flooding this subreddit.

[–]Raikkonen7160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm surprised nobody still mentioned Glengarry Glen Ross.

"You want to learn the first rule? You'd know if you spent a day in your life. Don't ever open your mouth 'till you know what the shot is. You're a fucking child."

[–]EatmyShorts590 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I have cliff notes on the 48 laws of power if anyone is interested.

http://lilblackboy.com/book-cliff-notes/

[–]aanarchist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

a good idea. let me share another good idea, do not try to impress people, and be completely honest, no sugar coating, no sprinkles.

[–]Stythe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is basically why the Internet sucks too.

[–]-Petulance points points [recovered] | Copy

"The less you speak the more you hear"

[–]yummyluckycharms0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

but "out of sight, out of mind", or if "you dont tout your horn, no one else will"

The problem comes down to calibration - there are some times where you want to talk like crazy, other times you want to shut up.

If you have access to c-level executives, watch how they talk. They only talk little around subordinates because frankly these people are beneath them. But when one of their own swings by their office, or takes the same elevator down with them, they're usually quite chatty.

[–]joh21410 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guys who love hearing their own voice gotta learn that shit. Can't stand meeting people who won't shut the fuck up. The worst is people who ask you a question then say bunch of shit before you even get to answer it.

[–]Mckallidon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Shutting the Fuck Up solves most problems.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see this sub as a bull session, a place to express oneself.

In meat space, though, I agree 100%. One of the places I've had major, major improvement recently is being a better conversationalist.....which is exactly asking intelligent questions then shutting the fuck up.

[–]rios_salvi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Since reading the 48 laws, I feel like I might've taken this too far. Like my tendency to say less than necessary turns into not saying enough. It's a tough balance I haven't quite mastered

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Adjusting how much you talk doesn't mean not talking at all. Maybe talking 10-15% less than usual is probably ideal.

[–]redolas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should've applied your teachings to this very post.

What did we learn from this post? Some big words "Art of knowing" and insults. Well, it's TRP, why respect my audience?

You start with a proverb. No explanation, no interpretation, just a proverb. Ok, I guess.

That there is a lot of retarded shit on TRP. Well, congrats, you just made another one of those. Unfortunately, even retarded shit gets upvoted. Any ideas on how to solve this? No? hmm...

You are worried about TRPers life and well-being. Good for you.

You give us a quote on Robert Greene. So what? We read that book, thank you very much.

And then you finish with insulting us to shut up and watch. Watch what?

Your post has nothing enlightening or original. The only content is Robert Greene, and he makes a better job in 3 lines than you in would in 300 lines.

When should I talk? It's not always better to shut up. You may find that out when a scrawny pua talks his way into your gfs pussy. When is it better not to talk? Where is the Art of knowing then? Couldn't find it. Not in your post.

If it isn't thought out, don't post it.

Go to the sidebar and read Machiavellianred's instructions on how to write a post.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The 48 Laws of Power is an overrated book with way too many contradictions in it, using it as a guide is a mistake. Other than that, I agree you must not speak all the time, in every situation, don't try to be on the spotlight every time.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP it's also important to know when to say "STFU" to someone lmao.

[–]cynicalsimon-3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I am convinced the red pill has been taken over by savage, relentless cucks. This advice is cancer. Women either want to fuck you or not. There is not much you can do to change that..ever. You got money + looks? Then you don't exist to her.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

money + looks

There's more to being attractive than this.

[–]cynicalsimon2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

No their literally isn't. Women are much more superficial then men and they don't give a shit about your personality. Its a lie told to naive children.

[–]1The_BitterTruth[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

why aren't nice guys getting laid then?

[–]rave_n1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because most of the time they are neither handsome nor rich.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know man. The other day j was talking to a broad who was rather quiet. I had to lead most of the conversation because if I didn't she would stop talking.



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