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[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Things have not changed. Medieval kings, Viking Kings, Trump, Obama and just about every other political and religious leader has one thing on their mind and it's this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCgS079ZkPU
They don't care about feminism, the poor, guns, religion or any other goddamn thing. If you are working and making money for the king great. If not he'd just assume you get pulled over with some weed in the car and shipped off to a slave labor camp.
Want to know the secret plan? It's get more money and more power and in case of extreme boredom... have some plebeians killed for entertainment.
That hasn't changed in 1000 years.
TRP is reddit approved by the guy that owns reddit who is one of the 10 richest people in the world because you guys stay away from issues of 'class' and sell the idea that if you fail it's all your fault. The last thing he wants is a bunch of angry serfs thinking they might storm his castle.
[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree, completely.
My post does not contradict your thesis. My post is simply explaining how the pieces fit together. Of course the ultimate goal is more money and power for the "kings."
For them it is nothing but a means to an end.
[–]mykonos_rm5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
feminism is nothing more then a massive shit-test on a macro level.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Let's put this back into a slightly larger perspective. Men didn't fuck up when they failed to stop the rise of feminism. Western men fucked up when they failed to stop the rise of self cannibalizing, militaristic imperialist states.
Between 1914 and 1945 three successive generations of western men were annihilated. Those who were left were those not manly enough to go to war in the first place or those left over and shattered by the war.
You can track the rise of feminism and decline of masculinity by how high the casualty rates for the men were. France, which is a liberal's wet dream, was absolutely destroyed. England lost a lot, but not as much. Consequently it too succumbed to feminism and liberalism, but not as quickly. America, which was largely spared the wholesale loss of it's 19-28 year old both times, managed to hold out 60 more years.
When you have no men left you pave the way for women to become the men. That's seen again and again in nature. Feminism was inevitable given the near continuous warring of western states from, really, the 1600's on. Any resistance dies off-pun intended-with the two world wars.
[–]vagbutters10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This sounds very interesting, but could you give some insight on Russia? While it's not the holy grail or a RP society, it seems to have held out the longest against the plague of feminism in spite of so many men dying during the 2 WW's and decline of the USSR.
What you're saying seems to make sense in the fallout of WW2, where we got baby boomers-- AKA the worst generation-- out the wazoo.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
You're raising very good and valid issues. When analyzing what fills in a power vacuum, you have to look at the whole environment.
Russia and France make for good comparison. Russia has a much larger population than France. At the start of WWI it had a population near 91.5 million people or 45 million men. Kill 10 million you still have over 75% of your men. France, in 1914 had a little over 33 million people, or roughly 15 million men. Kill 10 million of them, and boom, 2/3 or roughly 66% of your men are gone. And how many of those left are severely injured vets? Waite 25 years and repeat. Now, let me be clear, those aren't the actual numbers of casualties, it's meant to illustrate why Russia could absorb ludicrous casualties and still fare better than most other European countries with similar death tolls.
There's also the cultures. Russia is a MUCH larger country, with a universal environment that is MUCH more harsh (think freezing and mountainous) and, in some ways isolated (think land locked to Europe and the American East Coasts) while at the same bordered by many different cultures (middle east, far east, Indian, Mongolian and Chinese. France was surrounded mainly by Western Cultures; so buffered by similar cultures while able to access trade and information routes.
Also, France was extremely wealthy through trade where Russia wasn't. France was also very modern, with top of the line universities and industries, again where Russia wasn't.
So, France was sustained on trade and knowledge where Russia was sustained on agriculture and hard labor (read about serfs in Russia all the way up to the 1900's).
France was in constant warfare: 100 years war, Spanish/Dutch/Hapsburg wars, Wares with the HRE, Napoleonic wars, etc. These would have been whittling away the number of men. Even as those who were left were leaving hard labor positions to obtain education and/or wealth through trade/resource exchanges. But, and this is important, for all the conflict it was never a cultural conflict. There wasn't a HUGE difference between German/Dutch/Spanish/English culture. The result was a core underclass of hard men becoming ever more surrounded by intellectual/bourgeoisie/royal foppishness who made it a point to show that they had wealth and education and therefore no need to be brutes or low class "salt of the earth men." Life for many, but not all, in France got successively easier.
Russia on the other hand, was backwards and was never a trading super power. While the French royalty were creating Macaronis (look it up) Peter the Great was forcing his nobles to shave their beards and stop wearing medieval cassocks. Foppishness was never a big thing in Russia and the bourgeoisie were never really a thing either. Also, Russia is/was a different religion. It is Greek Orthodox, not Catholic or Protestant. THere are important differences. Life was hard for all Russians and continually made hard people. Add to that constant cultural assault. There is a huge difference between the culture in Moscow and in Khazakstan, or Mongolia or China. The result was that the men staid hard, whether serf or royalty.
This was the set up for the damage of the wars. Previously, wars could actually serve to keep a population sufficiently hard. You spend 4 years on the march killing while having people try to kill you and you don't come out the same as you went in. Soldiers were hard men. What, arguably, kept Europe strong for so long and gave them the strength to outpace the rest of the world was that just about every generation a good number of the young men were forged in battle. This core could continuously be used as a foundation to counter the ever growing sissification of the ever more feminized wealthy counterparts. That didn't last through WWI, though.
Cannons and muskets are powerful, but woefully imprecise. Dragoons were your scalpels, but you had to run them up on horse back. WWI introduced rifling on a large scale in the guns and the artillery. It also introduced numerous machine guns and mechanized warfare such as tanks and airplane. Finally, and most devastatingly, it introduced, large scale, chemical warfare. Read about the casualties from prior wars. I was reading about the American Revolutionary War where it talked about 10,000 men firing at each other all day, and at the end, there were like 150 casualties and 200 more serious injuries. Read about the death toll of WWI battles. Previously you could send thousands and bring back thousand. IN WWI you just sent, there wasn't anyone to bring back.
When France lost that core, completely because they were the first to go, only the oldest, weakest, and most pussy were left. When Russia lost it's core, the men who were left were much more numerous and likely harder than most of France's strongest core.
[–]SetConsumes3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much exactly why a more brutal society creates a stronger society, the harshness creates strong men, and more or less, the rest fall into place.
[–]bowie7472 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your population and death numbers are a bit off. Also Russia lost relatively more of its male population in WW2 than any other country. Not sure about WW1. I think it mostly comes down to Russia's culture TBH.
Good points raised though.
WW1 casualties
WW2 casualties
[–]Compeliminator0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
although not up to ww1 standards of slaughter the American civil war introduced us to large scale casualties in war. rifled small arms as well as some artillery were a major cause. great post
[–]rigbed7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Russia has sacrificed progress for social superiority. They're not economically environmentally or anything progressive in any way, but they have the most conservative social customs, and we see this from the west as the correct way.
[–]no_face6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, /u/wantonton argument fails when you consider that Russia lost something like 25 million people, most of them men. There were no men for many women to marry for an entire generation.
Women did step into the role of breadwinners but Russia seems to have been spared the ravages of feminism.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can trace the decline back to the reformation wars in the 1600's
[–]TsuGhoul1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can track the rise of feminism and decline of masculinity by how high the casualty rates for the men were.
What about Sweden? Wasn't a part of either war and are on German level fucked.
[–]ikigaiaru2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's quite a complicated situation in the west right now.
This is a bit of a tangent but I think ultimately related...
For the baby boomer generation, things got "too comfortable," and people lost perspective on the way the world and the way human nature actually is. We, in the west, let down our guard, and traded the harsh but true wisdom of human nature for post-modernism, moral relativism, and dreams of an (unreachable) utopian/ egalitarian society.
The millennials now continually lie to themselves to keep this utopian love-filled world view alive while everything crumbles around them. Admitting that the world is harsh place governed by evolutionary instincts and natural laws makes us feel powerless. It is less painful to continue lying to ourselves. However, lying about the nature of reality will lead to the death of the west. Nature and truth don't care about your personal feelings.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
You NEED to read De Jouvenel.
Seriously. When you begin reading you may not at first see the relevance to your post, but he will eventually make it very apparent. Do yourself the favor and add this book to your reading list.
[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Saved. I will check it out. Thank you.
[–]lolligagger30003 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I dunno man, some of the stuff feminists did were ok (in the past, think about early 20th century) and now it turned into a big snowball of bullshit.
Most of us hate feminists because they don't want to be equal, they want to be better without working for it.
Some days ago I saw a post about our beloved gender gap and obviously a bunch of feminazis jumped to tell how the patriarchy is horrible. But think about it, a house maid deserves to win the same as an engineer? It makes no sense at all, but they still complain.
Many years ago we reached a good point of equity, and now the tables are turning exaclty as it happened with black people, 50 years ago you could call a black man a fucking nigger peace of shit and spit on him and beat the shit out of him because he looked at your wife the wrong way, was that ok? Of course not. Now black people are on a pethestal and women are going to be in a similar place in 10-20 years because we never stop at the right level, instead we keep fighting for nothing after we reached our goal.
[–]no_face-5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
black people are on a pethestal
Where is this wonderful place that you live in? In USA, brothers are being shot by police, denied loans, unfairly incarcerated longer, denied jobs.
For all the glamor and bling you see on TV, most blacks are living a pathetic existence full of frustration and disappointment.
[–]lolligagger30007 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I went on a vacation to the USA once some years ago. We were warned about the situation but I never imagined it was so terrible. Anything sightly racist could be seen as a brutal offense, they even told us not to say the word "negro" (which means "black" in spanish so we had to use it sometimes) and damn they were right, we were seen like if were some europeans trying to kidnap them and putting them in cotton fields. Dude, true racism stopped years ago, now black people as well as people of other skin color, I may add have equal opportunities, aren't denied an education, aren't put in unfair work enviroments.
Women are the fucking same, they feel entitled to better things because her grandmothers suffered something 50 years ago. I understand your great granpa worked cultivating cotton while your great granma was being raped by some landlord, it was horrible, but those days are long gone, don't act like you suffered anything near as terrible as them. If extreme gropus (feminazis, BLM movement, LGBT, FAs, and shit) keep preassuring society we will become a censored world.
Before you even say I'm some rich, white entitled jackass, let me tell you that I grew up in a south american country which when I was a kid was dominated by white males and saw racism and machism(?) first hand and it was truly terrible, american situation feels like a dream.
Come to my country and see that all your black brothers are only janitors and then tell me about racism
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What a load of horse shit. Black criminals who attack the police are being shot by the police. Black people are denied loans because of their credit scores, debt to income ratio, and job stability. Blacks are incarcerated at lower rates then you would expect for their rap sheets and crimes committed. And blacks get affirmative action to be given jobs at an unfair rate.
[–]ivyentre points points points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"Or, would you pop a cap in the crack dealer’s ass and shove his head on a pike?"
I actually don't like this option...something about 'murder'.
[–]SetConsumes5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sigh, such feminine values.
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