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In South Carolina 13% to 16% of the jailed population are lower income father who cannot pay child support.

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Non-American here. While the feminist agenda seem to make life harder for men everywhere, there is no doubt that it is harder in America than other places. This was a very hard truth-pill to swallow. 13% to 16% of the jailed population in South Carolina are men with lower income who cannot pay their child support. The fact that finding an alternative system for these men are not a top issue for feminists, shows the hypocrisy of feminists and their allies as they claim they fight for “equality”. Imagine any law making 13%-16% of jailed population females, especially not paying a man (sexism, boyzzz) money. This is the “patriarchy” we are living in. One articled has been written on the situation on California. It Is rather long, and can be read here. For those who cannot read through it without feeling utter anger, a lengthy quotes underneath is included that summarizes the situation of these poor men

Turner's experience with the child support system is all too common. Other poor noncustodial fathers report similar dystopian experiences. A noncustodial father who participated in a research study focus group explained: I'm just tired of getting locked up every so often, every eight months or so. I don't have no bad record, no record at all. But I keep getting locked up for child support, that's the main thing. In South Carolina, where Michael Turner was incarcerated, child support obligors imprisoned for civil contempt comprise approximately thirteen to sixteen percent of the jail population. It seems a pointless expenditure of state resources to repeatedly arrest poor fathers, jail them for nonpayment of child support, then later release them (when either the law requires their release or the court eventually concludes that civil incarceration is not succeeding in coercing compliance with child support orders), and repeat the cycle all over again.


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Title In South Carolina 13% to 16% of the jailed population are lower income father who cannot pay child support.
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Date 23 January 2017 04:27 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana108 points109 points  (15 children) | Copy

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (13 children) | Copy

We have a skyscraper in the entertainment district in my city, designed for women with at least 2 kids. Was a really nice part of the city too.

It just seemed weird how in a booming real estate market, that single moms were given priority

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana67 points68 points  (8 children) | Copy

The US government has been incentivizing single motherhood for quite some time now.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, I know. Every now and again, I just get blindsided to the economic decisions around it. I mean, I sometimes its just a political moneypit

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women's votes are cheaper to buy. All you have to do to win them over is vindicate their self-entitlement complexes.

[–]yomo8626 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy

Too bad that betas en mass donnot behave as planned. No one in their right mind is wifing up a single mom.

[–]ovrsurge18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

You dont get an option. Even if you live your life as a virgin. The average working man will produce way, WAY more for the government in tax money than they will spend on him.

Women conversly recieve way more tax money than they put in. This means that your taxes are being spent to make these womens lives cushy and keep them independent of needing betas.

Institutionalized hypergamy is how governments work. Women get a good chunk of the money they would have to marry you for just because you choose to work.

[–]TheCoyPinch12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

No one in their right mind is wifing up a single mom.

So betas are still marrying single moms then.

[–]JackGetsIt3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

But probably not at a rate that women like.

[–]joh214135 points36 points  (3 children) | Copy

Wow such hard life; women have it real rough. Tell that to the guy getting anally raped every night by some 20 inch penis dude because he couldn't pay his child support on time working 3 part time jobs, right? That's so sickening to hear how women get a nice skyscraper while the parents get torn apart.

While I was at the gym today, they put this weird talk show on about girl power empowerment with all these modern feminist celebrities. Some of whom were celebrities or wealthy since they were children and lived on a pedestal all their lives. They then took in opinions of other women and would talk about it about something. This one talks about being unfairly treated at her new job. All her coworkers claimed she's slow, air-headed, can't do anything right. Instead of possibly thinking maybe she is indeed slow or simply air-headed, she hamsters and says "It's because I'm a woman. We get unfairly treated."

Then the celebrity who was a celeb since she was a little girl goes "I felt that all my life too. I'm here for you girl." Like what? That celeb has never felt that in her life. She always felt above most people. Because she was filthy rich. I recognize her from sitcoms she was in back in the early 90s.

These women "role models" are blindly playing the average women's strife and suffering to their own advantage boosting their value in the eyes of the public. It's all a fucking game to these women. Meanwhile the guys (and some women I guess if they are fat and ugly) who actually ARE working hard are the ones that get screwed and no real credit.

Women believe getting slightly negative feedback means there is misogynistic behavior going on. Whereas guys consistently get shitted on and pissed on but are expected to never complain. But when you do, you're just some crazy guy. Society just has set it up so badly for men that you have to (pretend to)be transparent.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Feel better?

no sense ranting about it, won't solve anything. Just take heed and avoid the pitfalls of their lives

[–]joh214112 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah went on a little rant there haha no point bitching and moaning about it really. Just gotta deal with it.

[–]cashmoney_x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You just contributed to it.

[–]DashneDK2214 points215 points  (72 children) | Copy

Debtor prison. I thought we did away with that kinda thing. Apparently I was mistaken.

[–]KnowBrainer74 points75 points  (4 children) | Copy

I pulled 12 months and $5000 in fines/costs for being $6000 behind on child support. Was sentenced months after starting a new job and making regular payments.

Got out, bought a gun. Not going back. F the police.

[–]wax_idiotic21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sorry that it's gotten to that, man. Best of luck.

[–]Troll_Name5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Debtor prison. I thought we did away with that kinda thing. Apparently I was mistaken.

The police are simply the government's hands - fuck the government. The police don't come to your house if the courts don't tell them to, and the courts don't say so if politicians don't appoint crooked hateful judges.

Government claims sainthood from the pennies it gives, while it takes dollars at gunpoint. Family law is just another division of this infernal corporation.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon144 points145 points  (64 children) | Copy

It's been brought back, for the one specific case of men not paying women money.

[–]Lucius-Cincinnatus points points [recovered] | Copy

Also they are imprisoning people who can not afford to make their student loan payments.

[–]AcrossHallowedGround39 points40 points  (34 children) | Copy

Someone tell me that isn't true. Jesus christ.

Edit: In most cases it appears it has to be delinquent for several years. And all of the articles I found in my in-depth search and analysis (3 minutes on google) are all referencing the same case in texas. So I don't think it's particularly common.

[–]tio1w32 points33 points  (32 children) | Copy

Did you know student loans don't "go away" if someone files for bankruptcy?

[–]Fuknmods26 points27 points  (12 children) | Copy

Did you know a study on approx 25% of all us colleges and trade schools revealed AT LEAST 50% of students with student loans have not paid back the minimum on their loans or a single dollar? The new cost calculated with these numbers (instead of calculation with the hopes theyll pay it back) is now $3.3 Trillion.

Bubble burst when boys!?!?

[–]FatStig points points [recovered] | Copy

I feel like a dumbass for paying mine off really early. This is how civilizations collapse...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yea I heard you should not be in any rush to pay back your student loans. I have like 7 more years of payments to go on mine, which at first I was like fuuuck I don't want that on my shoulders, but now I don't care, its like $100 a month.

[–]FatStig points points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah, but I can stop working and ride my bike around north america for like 10 years living off savings with no debts.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

So then you are glad you paid yours off already.

[–]MelodyMyst2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

At least you won't have to watch the collapse from a cell or under crushing debt. You got that going for you.

EDIT: this is supposed to be a comment on FatStigs first comment. Reddit is not working with me today.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I remember some "economist" in some old askreddit thread talking about how there is no bubble, because you can't get rid of it by declaring bankruptcy. He was the top comment. If I had any knowledge of how to bet against that idea I'd put my life savings into it.

[–]-Golden points points [recovered] | Copy

You bet against the one funding / investing in the bad asset.

Short US Treasuries.

[–]1SeemedGood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Short US Treasuries.

Gotta be real careful with that one. In crises (almost irrelevant which kind) US govies can catch a mean bid as a safe haven asset. And yes, even when the government is the backstop (see banking crisis). Remember, the US government currently has the world's best collaterlization backing its debt - the US citizenry - and it can collect from its collateral anytime, anywhere (or at least it asserts the right to do so).

[–]JackGetsIt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's really no bubble to burst because you can't declare bankruptcy and you can't 'recollect' the education. Therefore it will just depress the economy. It will especially hurt housing and car markets.

[–]EGOtyst9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Of course they aren't.

If you were a fresh graduate with no assets and $200k of debt, the obvious choice would be to declare bankruptcy...

[–]Troll_Name1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Student debt gets a special exemption from bankruptcy protections.

Just like all of your other debts to the government.

[–]EGOtyst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, like I said, if it didn't it would be incredibly easy to game the system.

[–]untitled_redditor10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Same with IRS debt. I sortof understand, but then I don't. Due to my ex wife handling all finances and not paying taxes properly I'm still paying $40k back to the IRS. ...I made a lot, should have overseen that myself. But I didn't and post divorce I got stuck with that bill of course.

Edit: I worked, she didn't. Managing "our" money was basically her only job.

[–]tio1w26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

Managing "our" money was basically her only job.

What a recipe for disaster.

[–]untitled_redditor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm older and wiser now :) Some of the most valuable lessons are also very expensive

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered] | Copy

I'd declare bankruptcy immediately after college otherwise.

Student loans would be something good to protest against instead of random Trump quotes.

[–]Tingly_Fingers6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's what people used to do and why it's not allowed anymore. Kids would go to law school, rack up 100k in student loans, buy a car, pass the bar, then file for bankruptcy.

[–]Troll_Name2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Baby boomers bankrupted their way up and up for decades.

Student loans aren't blocked because they were abused - all of it was abused. Student loans are blocked because they are debts to the government and its cronies. You can still take a small business' every resource then bankrupt yourself out of compensating them for it.

[–]BinaryResult2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Did you know that credit card debt does though? Once could hypothetically live entirely off credit cards while aggressively paying down their student loan debt and then declare bankruptcy once the student loan debt was paid off.

[–]tio1w1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm sure a court would punish that by making some kind of mental gymnastics.

[–]Troll_Name2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Judges don't do gymnastics - that's lawyers. Courts quietly prejudge you then they toss your future into a bureaucratic meat grinder.

And that's why real lawyers cost so much - they get you out of this. Fake lawyers do nothing.

[–]tio1w1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Judges don't do gymnastics

Yes they do. All the time!

This should go without saying in a redpill forum.

[–]felipebarroz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

As a non-american, I find interesting the US concept of personal bankruptcy. In Brazil, only firms can declare bankruptcy.

[–]Troll_Name1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's restructuring and then there's liquidation - aka sell stuff pay debts.

Most personal bankruptcies are of the liquidation type. People are allowed to keep certain things, which usually adds up to about as much as broke people tend to have.

If banks want to stop holding toxic debt, then they need to stop issuing loans to toxic borrowers. If laws compel them to lend then said laws should be repealed. (They're not forced to loan; they're given a convenient excuse to loan where they shouldn't and it merely looks like they're forced after bankers wrote their own laws.) Houses would be half as hard to get if banking worked this way instead of how it works presently.

But when working-class families file for bankruptcy, usually they don't lose anything. Most of what they have isn't actually WORTH anything - official appraisals be damned - so the auctioneer can't actually make much money and therefore it isn't worth his time. Most people's possessions aren't worth 10% of what they were originally priced.

Houses are worth money, but bankers are only slowed down (not stopped) in repossessing them if families can't pay anymore.

[–]kanyewost0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

couldn't a person hypotheically take out bank loans or private loan and then use the money to pay off the student loan off to zero, then file bankruptcy as a big loophole??

[–]tio1w0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have no idea but these are good questions.

[–]Troll_Name1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

delinquent for several years

This, guys, read the fine print.

If you're working for 10 years to pay for your government job, they just garnish your wages.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This myth still persists? I first heard it when I started college in 1999.

[–]flashbang1232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you have a source for this?

[–]GetaPoas2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

So women can be jailed for cockriding and basket weaving degree? Awesome

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The Department of Education has their own personal SWAT team just for things such as this.

They once sent in their team to ransack a women's house while locking her 3 kids in the back of a squad car for 3 hours while their dad was handcuffed in his underwear on the sidewalk.

She was suspected of student loan fraud. All charges were later dropped....

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, that case was some supposedly ripping off a lender by lying or some shit. It wasn't a simple case of her not paying. It was more like she had some kind of scam going on, like claiming to be a different person and not even going to school.

[–]tio1w1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And this is pretty much an American thing, far from universal.

[–]Troll_Name2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Family law is court-assigned welfare.

Orphans get their government railroad-from-birth, single moms get their permanent vacation, bureaucrats get their personal empires of cash and jackboots. Everybody wins!

[–]broodmetal4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They exist for more than just child support. Many fines if not paid could land you in jail.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reason they did away with debtors prison is because it was scaring people away from taking out loans. This was bad for business.

Since a man doesn't have to agree to do business with family court(he goes whether he wants to or not), scaring away customers isn't a concern

[–]Omnibrad107 points108 points  (19 children) | Copy

The worst part is the man can be married to a woman, do nothing wrong, and if the woman wants a no-fault divorce she will get it along with your kids, your money, and your future money.

Go into the courtroom to defend yourself and tell the judge that the father has rights. Watch what happens.

[–]ksnyder134 points35 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's a little different if he has his kids to defend him. When my parents got divorced I (11 years old) was taken to a judge and told him everything I could about my mom being irresponsible and is wanting to live with my dad. He got full custody of his 3 children and she has to pay child support. She's actually been arrested for not paying as well.

[–]Omnibrad30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh sure, that happens 5% of the time. It's almost as high as the number of divorces filed by men. Coincidence?

[–]BinaryResult2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Easy way around that for her is to just do it while they are still young, no judge will ask the opinion of a 5 year old for fear of traumatizing them.

[–]razeus57 points58 points  (13 children) | Copy

I've been preaching this to anyone who will listen.

THERE IS NO UPSIDE TO A MAN GETTING MARRIED. Men have all the power up until you say the vows.

I'm on my 2nd marriage (several years now), but I know if I ever get another divorce, that's it.

[–]lelease20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'm on my 2nd marriage (several years now)

Did that happen after you figured this out?

[–]razeus15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

No 2nd marriage, I went in like your typical male (alpha when getting the girl, then reverting to Mr. Provider in the LT).

For the last couple of years, I've been reading TRP, which help me frame myself as both a provider and the guy that will fuck her brains out.

[–]BinaryResult5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

My wife just ended our marriage of 10 years. We are separated with a custody decision finally after her trying to take the kids, (50:50 fuck you for wasting our time and money!) and a financial settlement, divorce incoming but cant happen for another 9 months due to state law. Have a gf now who knows her place, never getting married again, so glad I found TRP before taking that leap again.

[–][deleted]  (3 children) | Copy

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[–]sassypaella6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's LTR/married Red Pill.

[–]BENDERisGRREAT1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Im pretty sure if he reframed it where he wasnt the provider she would murder him in his sleep

[–]Novazilla-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

THERE IS NO UPSIDE TO A MAN GETTING MARRIED.

I disagree. Having two incomes and the tax write offs can boost your retirement/financial goals exponentially. Problem is men not getting on the same page as their women and keeping themselves in check. There is no reason for the woman to stay with you so you have to provide a reason.

[–]thatonemikeguy9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

The solution is to marry a dude. A bro marriage would give you the tax breaks and you can each have girlfriends.

[–]TomFoo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think you've seen how nasty a business partnership can be when falling apart, not to mention siblings suing each other. Don't be tied down to anyone.

[–]yomo8612 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

After I turned 27 people started to getting divorced. Even as BP I advertised thanks to the legal education to stay out of matrimony.

This is not some revenge fantasy seeing men who shamed you for staying out of this rigged game begging you for some change or a 20 bill to buy food - this is reality as blunt as it is.

[–]1randomperson12332154 points55 points  (0 children) | Copy

As a non American non activist I find this sickening.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev40 points41 points  (4 children) | Copy

This sort of thing lets pols flex and pose in front of favored groups about how they are "GETTING TOUGH" on "DEADBEAT DADS!"

The problem is, you can't get blood from a stone, and if you don't have money, prison time isn't going to have any coercive effect, and it is certainly going to prevent a man from making any money.

Any guy who is thinking about getting married needs to watch Divorce Corp

Likewise, have a listen to Dave Foley's story.

[–]Profdiddy11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second Divorce Corp. Horror show.

[–]IBAR_12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ironically, women are probably most attracted to the assorted felons and institutionalized types most likely to be deadbeat dads and skip out in the first place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dave has a crazy interesting story, but his wife was certifiably mentally ill and also relates to Canada law not US. It's an interesting story for sure but not a norm. He talks about Phil Hartman and what he was going through with his wife as well. Those are pretty special and crazy cases. They are good intro's into yes women can be terrible but not much more than that, oh and Canada has even shittier divorce laws.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil64 points65 points  (20 children) | Copy

Pretty sure people originally came to America to escape shit like this, which means that there is no shame in leaving the country to escape this situation.

[–]maniclurker21 points22 points  (10 children) | Copy

That's exactly what I've been thinking about the whole thing. If I every got wrapped up in a situation like this, then I'd just bounce out of the country. Fuck that noise.

[–]1OneRedYear25 points26 points  (9 children) | Copy

If you don't have a passport and you owe more than $2500 in child support, you aren't going anywhere. https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/information/legal-matters/child-support.html

[–]maniclurker21 points22 points  (8 children) | Copy

Get a passport ahead of time. Check!

[–]tio1w12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

Passports can be revoked.

Plus, without a visa you usually can't stay longer than 90 days in one place.

[–]maniclurker23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

Stop shitting on my dream, man.

[–]2awalt_cupcake24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

plenty of people find ways in and out of countries without the 'correct way' of doing it.

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy

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[–]Bobwayne171 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you know where these would be? I'm thinking of doing this and would like to know where I can go.

[–]1BoogersAreTasty14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Unfortunately, it's not all that easy anymore.

The left (in conjunction with the right) has been slowly but surely building a "Virtual Financial Berlin Wall" around this country.

Because of FATCA, it is very difficult, sometimes impossible to open up an account in a foreign country. If you do, it will likely have heavy US oversight.

A business partner is frequents this sub is a real expert on FATCA and can comment on it better than I. I'll ask him to try and pop in.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's why you get a foreign passport and open account via that nationality.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Please give me a heads up if he does. Eager to hear some discourse on that..

[–]KnowBrainer10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

They won't issue passports if you owe. Have to do the Mexican border hop and find a place that won't extradite.

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[–]felipebarroz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Almost no country would extradite someone over debts.

[–]0kool7430 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

In South Carolina 13% to 16% of the jailed population are lower income father who cannot pay child support

And, even with stories like this of tyranny and oppression, there will still be stupid men out there who get married and have kids. That will never change!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Biology is a mother fucker. By nature we want kids. It's hard to fight nature even when you know the risks

[–]NeoreactionSafe32 points33 points  (19 children) | Copy

 

I've written many times here that in my opinion the Child Support Laws (passed in 1950) were the most destructive to humanity of any I can think of.

Basically the Family Court system is a slave system which takes the side of women to make men lose their basic right to freedom.

How a judge can go from Natural Law (which rejects slavery as being 666 master-slave thinking) to where we are now is amazing.

Child Support Laws are pure evil.

 

Officially slavery ended in 1865.

Child Support brought it back in 1950.

...so we were without slavery for less than 100 years. (85 years)

 

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

Nah, we were always slaves of the system, any system. Some of them had a nicer makeup (capitalism), others not so much (communism in USSR). Slavery never ended, it just changed its shape and became less visible to the naked eye.

And if you think that 18 years of child support in US is bad, keep in mind that in some countries it's 26 years.

Future is fucked. Even if you come to certain age, and think about taking a risk and getting married and having kids, finding a girl that is worth risking is impossible. Recently I flirted with a cute 20 year old, and she told me how her grandparents keep asking her when she's going to get married, and she doesn't even have a boyfriend, and jokingly asked me if I'm going to marry her. I responded "well, it depends on how do you make spaghetti with tomato sauce (my favorite dish)", and smirked. She gave me a bitch look and told me "you need a cook, not a wife", and I responded "we can go to the restaurant every day instead... at your expense". Her response was "we would divorce in 2 months". Basically we came to the point where you can't expect any kind of performance from a girl, and it's even rude to ask. And I'm even in US, I live in the part of Europe where a lot western men come seeking their unicorn wife material woman that cooks, cleans, gives blowjob and doesn't exist.

[–]NeoreactionSafe5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

Eastern Europe is supposed to be slightly better but Western Europe is totally brainwashed.

Hopefully Western European countries will vote out the EU parties and install populists like America.

America from 1865 to 1914 was probably the best that humanity will see for some time.

The Dark Age (2001-2016) is over, but we will have a long trip out of the darkness before it's anything truly great again.

 

[–]broodmetal3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

White America? Because black history in that time was pretty fucking horrible.

[–]NeoreactionSafe5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

The last African American slave was free by 1865.

So it was a good time for everyone.

African Americans once had the lowest divorce rates... then the social manipulations happened and African American men are again of low value as all men have become.

There was a time when an African American man could marry an African American woman and expect a good life with her.

(this was before Child Support and Divorce Rape laws)

 

[–]broodmetal2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, but have you researched the laws enacted directly after slavery? A lot of "freed" slaves were thrown right back into slavery under a different name. Look up black codes.

[–]NeoreactionSafe3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

 

"Perfection is the enemy of good enough."

 

In other words even when trends are very positive there are always imperfections.

Things recently were all negative... we were going away from Truth until recently.

The first reversal in direction occurred on Jekyll Island in 1910 when a group of the top bloodlines got together to plot to create a global government. Since then the Blue Pill had been increasingly bad each year.

So history has "improving" eras and "declining" eras.

The Manosphere, Red Pill and Trump are all part of a worldwide wakeup and the change in direction from "declining" to "improving".

"Make America Great Again" pretty much says the truth of the ambitions of this age. (improvement)

 

Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

So basically enjoy this destruction we are seeing taking place.

Every beta that wakes up ("Kill the Beta") is a good thing.

These are to be (we hope) times of destruction of the Blue Pill (globalism, feminism) and the increase of Truth and masculinity.

All men of all ethnic association will be more free... it's all good... feels good man.

 

[–]makeshift984 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Let's not pretend that blacks haven't regressed since then.

[–]broodmetal2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I meant the laws in place immediately after slavery and onwards. Black codes, not being able to get business insurance, stuff like that.

[–]makeshift984 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Better or worse than conditions in Africa?

[–]broodmetal4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why's that matter? This whole thread is about how current laws keep men down. He referenced the period after 1865 like black men had a fair shake immediately after slavery which wasn't the case.

[–]broodmetal-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

She just said that shit because she had no interest in you bro. Hate to break it to you.

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[–]NeoreactionSafe4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

That's likely actually true.

The goal of the Globalist Tyranny was to make a slave planet.

I guess we will see if we break their plan or if they strike back. (referring to Trump)

 

[–]JackGetsIt1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Trump

Trump is part of the oligarchy. What in his past shows you he will ever do anything that doesn't directly benefit his immediate interests and needs? If there is a global slavery as you put it Trump immensely benefits from it. There are plenty of other men that would have actually drained the swamp if put in power. Trump is not your savior.

[–]NeoreactionSafe4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The truth will be in what he does.

If he destroys, destroys, destroys... then he was honest.

If he goes soft and starts to give the Globalist Tyranny power he was dishonest.

So far he has destroyed but it's very early.

Remember:

Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

 

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[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The Blue Pill mythology is a slave thought process so in a sense you can go by subtraction.

In America if there are about 150 million men and of that number maybe half are Red Pilled enough to be free then the remainder are mentally Blue Pill slaves.

So maybe 75 million slaves.

Looks like the Red Pill has a lot of work to do... "Kill the Beta"... free the slaves.

 

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered] | Copy

Doesn't work. Take the 20% alphas and even in that subgroup women will go for the top 20%. There have been experiments.

[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So by the 20% rule you have:

150 million * 80% = 120 million slaves.

Either way it's a big number,

 

[–]bt99925 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cost of incarceration to the state $30,000 - $60,000 a year. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-cost-of-a-nation-of-incarceration/ It would be cheaper for the state to pay the woman directly. The man could get a job and pay tax.

[–]wanderer77918 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

If the media ever talks about this of will be made a race issue or class issue instead of a gendered one. Also, this will never be mentioned as a reason for low academic performance of poor children.

Feminists are definitely working to uphold the status quo on this. See what happened a couple years ago in Florida. This also won't be mentioned.

[–]TheCoyPinch2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think I've ever heard of something related to this happening in Florida (which suits your point), but do you mind filling me in?

[–]wanderer7792 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In florida there has been a bill floating around to end permanent alimony and women's groups have fought against it.

[–]yummyluckycharms14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

First of all, america isnt a patriarchy - women make up the majority of voters and vote the politicians in. By simple definition its a matriarchy. Furthermore, when you look at the laws and how they are enforced, it makes it pretty clear that men are a second class citizen - men always get the short hand of the stick. Again, this reinforces that America, like many western countries, are matriarchies - both in spirit and in practice

[–]1Entropy-725 points26 points  (11 children) | Copy

A number like 1-in-6 or 1-in-8 is astounding and frightening. America seems really fucked up in terms of the way child support is done. I was a divorce attorney in British Columbia and child support was generally reasonable, but in some rare cases a perfect storm could really fuck the guy up. Even then, contempt of court proceedings were rare and incarceration even more rare.

The biggest mistake guys made was not immediately getting a lawyer when their income dropped. If they ended up sick or injured or unemployed then get your lawyer on the job to apply to reduce your support obligations. Otherwise, it just accumulates and even bankruptcy won't get rid of it.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201622 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

You do realize how this makes no sense, right?

Lose income, spend thousands (maybe 10s) on lawyer.

It's fucked up.

[–]1Entropy-710 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

You will save money in the end. It really sucks to be unemployed and still obligated to pay 10% or 20% or 30% of what you used to earn in support payments.

[–]IBAR_9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saving money in the end requires up-front capital for legal assistance.

[–]CrazedHyperion1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why do you even have to go to court with a lawyer? The problem are the judges that IMPUTE large incomes to people whose life situation has permanently turned for the worse. These judges are the problem creators.

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know about the USA but in Canada you can go into provincial court without a lawyer and the judges are used to dealing with people pro se. Superior court has more arcane and strict rules of procedure so it is a good idea to have a lawyer negotiate that for you.

The other thing is that if you are laid up you won't have the time or energy to fill out the forms and get your ass into court. Plus, lawyers have credibility with the other legal functionaries. All it took was a call from me and my professional word that I was bringing a motion to vary support and the government bill collectors would cease enforcement proceedings. For a regular guy with an outstanding support order, they won't believe it until they see it.

[–]lonelliott10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Here in the US, it can take up to a year to adjust your child support to the proper amounts for a job loss or change. It happened to me via the Iowa CS system. Then, a year later, your in arrears for the year of low or non payment because of your job. All that money will of course need to be paid. I cant get a passport for my job because 9 years ago, I went 10K in arrears from being jobless for a year, waiting on Iowa to change my child support. Good times.

Edit: I now pay 1K a month for my 2 kids, along with 100 a month on the arrears. Oh, and my wife has 8, not even kidding, 8 more kids by the same guy she just married. First 2 were mine, next 8 came after me. They have a brand new home they just bought. Meanwhile, I work my ass off and live in a double wide trailer so I can pay my child support. System is fucked.

[–]BENDERisGRREAT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the problem here is that half the time, the man wants to be reasonable and help the kid and the mom goes full bitch mode in a selfish rage

[–]dancingkungfy11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

I am one of the very few and far between cases where I got divorced and granted primary custody of the children. I pay no alimony or child support. As a matter of fact, the mother can pay child support if I wished that to happen (a judge asked me this in court and I thought he was asking my ex at first, only to realize that the question was to me). You have to fight for your rights. I did. Essentially I was not divorce raped. Life is sweet right about now.

[–]Bullfrog7775 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

Why didn't you want the mother to pay child support?

[–]dancingkungfy7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

I kept that in my back pocket for the time when she acts up. Trust me she will act up and that's when I will Pull the trigger to recalibrate things.

That and end she was pretty much left broke, I was not gonna hit her when she was down at that point in time. Call it beta but I didn't want to do it then. She had suffered enough.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

That and end she was pretty much left broke, I was not gonna hit her when she was down at that point in time. Call it beta but I didn't want to do it then. She had suffered enough.

The difference between men and women.

[–]swift_phoenix6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men have mercy for opponents, women will require opponents be killed at the hands of other men. Washing themselves free of the blood on their hands. E.G. Hillary Clinton.

[–]Novazilla7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Since when has showing respect for a women you know would be placed in hardship had you gone through with requesting child support beta? Turning down child support and taking care of your kids yourself is pretty fuckin alpha imo.

[–]GettingGains points points [recovered] | Copy

No, it is extremely beta. It only benefits the woman. The kids and the man are worse off. He could force her to pay for child support and put that money in a college fund for the kids.

Instead, this cuck is sacrificing the well-being of his kids for some pussy he used to cum inside. Definitely a beta-bob

[–]Novazilla2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

An alpha takes ownership of his situation. An alpha doesn't take fucking handouts. You should reassess your thinking of what an alpha is. The kids aren't worse off with him, they'd obviously be worse off with her. He knew this, made the choice for his children and owned it. He can always find another woman.

[–]mcavvacm13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Soooo they get locked up for not being able to pay child support, thus significantly decreasing their ability to earn money? Seems like the most logical thing to do, surely...

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

When will feminists arrange a big march for these men?

[–]Zerichon7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably when they're castrated and willingly pay them 200% of their salary.

[–]ministypill10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women mumbling only 19 percent of women are on the board seats and CEO position.

Men should really tell women at least 50% of women should pay child support and alimony as well.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_20167 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. We need 50% garbagewomen, 50% coal miners, 50% ditch diggers, 100% casualties in war for a few thousand years.

Then maybe they can just take the cushy jobs.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

Is this why my girlfriend wants a baby more than getting marrieds, cuz she knows i dont want that but wants to tie me down some how.

[–]maniclurker23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

Bro, you better be buying your own fucking condoms, and not letting her handle them.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hell yeah I use condoms. I just graduated college, studied for a white collar profession, and I feel Imma bout to make the biggest leap in my out of poverty gutter I came out of. This transition I do not want to fuck up. Good point in the not letting her handle them. She doesnt want to get pregnant until i get work in this field. She is smart.

[–]102117991076 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Go in a "guys trip" for two weeks and get snipped. You're playing with fire.

[–]franmonkey3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

She sounds bad dude leve her

[–]swift_phoenix1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude you need listening to these guys. That bitch is border line personality disorder with some smarts. Worst combo bro. Get the fuck out, there are always other girls willing to fuck you.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201618 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy

prison gap

  • Take all women, find percent incarcerated.
  • Take all men, find percent incarcerated.

Watch faggot feminists hamster away inconvenienct fact.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't you know? Women are just better people, that's why there are less of them in prison./s

[–]uber1337h4xx0r6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

"That's our point. Men are criminals."

[–]TomFoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"All men are violent rapists. AMALT."

[–]rowingnut4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

In Iowa they just take away your drivers license, which makes it near impossible to keep a job. Which makes it harder to pay child support.

[–]username--_--8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is as stupid as it gets. Essentially they are putting you in a situation where the government pays for your living expenses and giving you no way to help the child.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

[–]Literallyoprah24 points25 points  (11 children) | Copy

The overwhelming majority of issues with the black community are caused by systematic persecution of the black fathers and leaving entire generations in the hands of women who don't have the means to support their children.

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered] | Copy

It keeps them voting Democrats.

[–]Roci223 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why make this about race? Does it apply to rich black communities? How about poor X communities?

[–]maniclurker2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

You're confusing blacks committing more violent crimes with blacks being persecuted.

[–]Zerichon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Crimes" many of which are non payment of child support.

[–]maniclurker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many, but not most. I'd say it's probably a very small percentage of the reasons black men are incarcerated would be child support, but I cannot find anything to verify that with a quick googling.

Regardless, I'm countering the argument that black people are persecuted. In reality, black criminals aren't incarcerated because they're persecuted. They're incarcerated because they committed a crime. The majority of violent crimes are committed by black people.

Just facts.

[–]1OneRedYear-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

which blacks? rich black or poor blacks?

[–]maniclurker4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Without checking the data, I'm going to go with poor blacks. Most likely the ones living in urban areas. Then again, most of the black population does live in urban areas, and most violent crime is committed by those in poorer socioeconomic conditions. Even without having verifiable statistics, you should have been able to infer that.

[–]1OneRedYear-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I did. As a none poor black I already knew that. I just wanted you to correlate crime and class for me. Thanks.

[–]maniclurker1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ah, no problem. I just want you to show me where the crime isn't their choice.

Go ahead. I'll wait right here.

[–]1OneRedYear-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wait, you think I'm defending poor blacks. No I am not. I'm defending the rest of us. I made you be specific because you were painting me with a brush I didn't deserve to be painted with. Don't move the goal post to free will and choice. That was never the issue.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

US Fags are a bunch of cucks to have let it get this bad in the first place. USA = cuckold central for the last decade. Is now the time for change?

[–]vanityflow5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I visit South Carolina yearly, i can vouch it is a lot easier to get some poon than a job

[–]KennyF917 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Poor states with no main attractions compared to say a Florida, will always screw you. Pretty sure GA/MS will screw you worse than Cal, CT unless there is a feminist movement.

[–]50pluspiller4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wait?! Didn't these bitches just have some big ass protest for "equal rights"?

Let's start with eliminating the support laws and alimony.

[–]NibblyPig3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can't fathom why they don't do it like student loans in the UK.

If you earn over X amount, student loan is automatically deducted from your pay. You never have to worry, think, or do anything about it (if you're a normal employee, like most people).

Can they not simply do that for child support? Automatically deduct it? A simple tiered system, earn <$100 pay nothing, $100-$499 pay 10%, $500-1000 pay 15%, etc. just made those numbers up but you get the idea...

You can go to jail for evasion or fraud or whatever if you work cash in hand etc. but you can't go to jail for not paying because it's impossible not to pay (as a regular employee).

[–]segagaga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But that would require logic.

[–]brazzersjanitor2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hey do you have a link to the article?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I linked it above? JUst click where I said "and can be read here"

[–]brazzersjanitor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reading on mobile. Can't find it but I may be blind. I'll check on a computer later though. Thanks.

[–]FuckLibtardCucks2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If this doesn't prove women are more priveleged than men, I don't know what does.

[–]TomFoo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The best part is a woman wrote this.

[–]CrazedHyperion2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's because at divorce time, judges "impute" just how much they think you should be earning. So the child support is calculated with fake, inflated numbers. It is extremely idiotic.

[–]CptFizz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Government: "Shit, that dude can't pay child support, so we have to step in. Best to incarcerate the dude, so we have to pay for him, too."

[–]Returnofthemack31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Doubt we'll see men and women marching against this injustice any time soon lol

[–]jChristopherj1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Do you have a source for that statistic? I don't see it in the article.

[–]dejour0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It does say it in the article.

"In South Carolina, where Michael Turner was incarcerated, child support obligors imprisoned for civil contempt comprise approximately thirteen to sixteen percent of the jail population."

It would be nice to see where that stat comes from, but the footnotes were omitted. The article was published in an academic journal however, so I'm inclined to believe the number.

[–]jChristopherj1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I searched '13', '16', and '%' and none pulled up anything, but now I see why. Thanks

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women know this shit and behave accordingly. I remember when my ex quit her job and I suddenly became the sole source of income for our household. After several months of this I objected to the fact that I had to pay for everything. Her response was to tell me that none of that mattered because if she wanted to she could take me to court and get me for more money (her exact words). In her mind she was doing me a favor by letting me pay for everything.

[–]Youbetripping0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know if I was ever in this situation, out of principle, I would leave the country to somewhere that won't extradite. Otherwise, I would hide my money and take the prison time if I believed that the alimony was excessive.

But I'm in the UK, so not too sure about what likely child payments are required from the father.

[–]2awalt_cupcake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know a lot of loser men who go to jail often for this. Keep in mind not every man has been wronged by the system. They do wrong themselves and decide to keep going back. They do not give a fuck.

[–]chadleythunder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We should start getting involved politically to introduce legislation to improve these conditions. Taking the MRM route or the loud activist approach and whining about it with posters and marches is not only ineffective but worst of all, it's very weak. The people who take this approach know nothing about power.

The way to make these changes is by running for office or backing a candidate that's running for office and influencing them to enact legislation to fix this child support issue. Even altering existing divorce laws that create a more equal splitting of assets should be something to look at as well.

If there has ever been an appropriate political climate for when to do this it's now.

[–]Prime_Tyme0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any one figure out how to "game the system" so to speak from a man's perspective?

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

God-Fucking-Damn. Christ that's intense.

[–]enigmatic3600 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I imagine the vast majority of the population are black, as such, yes it pertains to men's rights but it's most likely due to the systematic oppression of African-Americans in the south and furthermore related to the lack of sexual education and accessibility of contraceptives in said region. The difficulty in this situation is unlike in bygone eras the oppressors don't acknowledge their racial disdain on any level because as one might expect they're generally polite and indifferent in day to day circumstances.

[–]MinionOverLord-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Who cares.....what do you want to bet they're 90% Dim-O-Krats...the non-swimming kind!!

[–]OrpheusV1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

South Carolina is majority Republicans. I guarantee you a large amount of them fall under that.

[–]BiggerFrenchie-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

So go run for governor of SC and change it. Shit man. All talk and jabber in this subreddit. When do you mother fuckers do anything about any of this. You have a great idea, now run with it. Find a way to get these guys to make some money and take care of their kids.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

wtf are you talking about man? Do you know how people get elected? You`ll have to have millions of dollars to bribe yourself to get things done.

[–]nuesuh-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

And 98% of the aforementioned men are morons.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

98% of women are morons. We don`t jail them, do we? Being moron does not equal prison.

[–]nuesuh-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

For these men their idiocy lead them to be imprisoned. Not because of them being dumb, but because of them doing dumb stuff. Which is why I assume most of the men in prison for debt, or just in prison in general, aren't very smart.

Is it okay for a judge to send you to prison for debt? Maybe..

Is it okay to demand child support? Absolutely not.

But that's how most of the western world is at the moment. If you knock a girl up and don't have money in the bank, you've had it coming. Of course, condoms break, men get spermjacked etc. But most of these men could have seen it coming.



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