The paradoxical state of the redpill. Newbies must read.

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There's two kinds of redpillers: those who get it, and those who try.

This post is for the latter. The redpill is about your own happiness and nothing else. We tend to see things as they are, have logical and no-bullshit discussions about the many difficult issues that men face.

Naturally, we tend to talk about women. I want to make you understand that women are not the goal. A bitch, 10 bitches, or 100 bitches will never make you as happy as you can make yourself. You are the most important thing in your life, and women are only objects for you to enjoy as you see fit.

Yes, objects. Think of them like a trophy for a job well done. You're the star, but they're the little shiny thing you get to show for it. Women know this better than anyone. That's why they go for winners and identify themselves as "Trophy Wives."

So if you're doing too much of this:

  • Studying what a woman is attracted to

  • Learning game and manipulation tactics for gaming women

  • Circlejerking about shitty woman behavior

  • Bragging about successful fucks

  • Doing things in order to become attractive to women.

You will never develop an unbreakable frame if you do these things I've listed above. By doing these things, you are absolutely living inside of their frame and not your own. You are placing too much importance on a woman and that's the kind of behavior that led you here in the first place.

Listen, you're missing the entire point. The entire point is YOUR HAPPINESS. you are putting too much time and energy into women. Focusing on women too much is the same thing as allowing them to control you. Break free of their control over your thoughts and actions.

Instead, I want to challenge each and every one of you to focus on yourselves. We have already established that bitches ain't shit. If you don't know that by now, you're in the wrong place.

Instead of women, your goals should be:

  • Lifting/ health

  • Success

  • Wealth

  • Status

  • Meaningful interactions with other human beings

  • Power

  • Knowledge/ reading

  • Skills

  • Experiences

  • Doing things for yourself and nobody else.

If you make these your goals, you will naturally achieve:

  • Confidence

  • Unbreakable frame


  • (yes, bitches too, but fuck them anyway. Confidence and happiness are better than any bitch.)

If you follow these goals and live for yourself, you WILL develop confidence, happiness, and frame, and you WILL get women by living this way. There is 0 chance that you won't.

I am not asking us to change the way we discuss women, or anything else. I'm not concern trolling. I'm just making a point. Focusing on women goes against the core redpill ideology. You must completely devalue women in order to take your next step. Give absolutely zero fucks about them. Don't even waste time hating them. Devalue them completely. Read the sidebar again if you don't believe me.

Instead of focusing on women, focus on yourself and your own happiness. Herein lies the true essence of the redpill.

I am not asking you to go MGTOW. Have fun with women! Just don't make them your goal.

TL;DR Fuck bitches. You're better than her.

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Title The paradoxical state of the redpill. Newbies must read.
Author redpillthrowaway34
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Comments 113
Date 29 January 2017 06:48 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]flying_cumshot points points [recovered] | Copy

The paradox comes from the fact that many new redpillers cannot even get into this mindset of "forget bitches" until they've actually had success with women. It's like asking someone to start driving a stick shift car by putting it in 5th gear first. It's impossible. To put the pussy down from the pedestal, you must have had enough pussy to feel that it's not valuable anymore. Gaming women successfully gives the newbies an enormous confidence, and that confidence is the jumpstart needed to guide them to the path of self-improvement. I know I see alot of field reports from newbies bragging about their lay, and honestly it's cringy as fuck reading them. But I think it's part of the growing pains. It's a needed outlet and necessary validation and confirmation that they are not beta losers. It's an inevitable first phase that new redpillers must go through. You can make as many posts as you want about telling newbies that getting pussy is not the goal, but the only way to really change their mindset is through more experience with women. After all, RedPill still is a forum for discussing sexual strategy, as it states in the sidebar.

I discovered RP in 2013 (older account) and it took me years until I truly developed an IDGAF mentality and only focused on myself, my happiness, and my self-improvement. But up until that point, I read lots of posts about sexual strategies and game advice on RP everday. I also asked lots of questions on AskTRP. There was a lot of real-life trial and error with women that I've experienced. Looking back now, I realize I probably spent too much time on this sub. But I feel like my understanding of women's nature and behavior has transcended, and my game has become a lot better due to that, which in turn gave me the confidence I needed to finally let go of all this and focus on my own self.

All in all, I do agree with your post and and I do support it. But my point is that newbies won't care, because they are not at that point yet mentally. It's a second red pill they must eventually swallow later on.

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 91 points92 points  (5 children) | Copy

I agree 100% - this guy gets it.

Once they realize women cannot make them happy, they will turn to themselves. This is exactly where they need to be.

Do you know what's better than having any girl you want? Being so happy with your own life that you don't need her, yet you can have her anyway. You can have 100 of her, and yet your own happiness still feels better and more rewarding. This is where I want everyone to be in the long run.

The confidence boost you mentioned is definitely a real thing, and I went through it too. It's only a temporary confidence though, because it's coming from somebody else's validation. Some people (including myself) needed that temporary boost in confidence in order to get moving. That's totally understandable. Still, I urge newcomers to use that confidence to create real change in your own lives.

Let it be known that I fully endorse fucking lots of women, but it cannot be the prerequisite to happiness. Fuck them because it makes your dick feel good, not because your self worth depends on it. Bitches are not shit.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Words are tricky, I prefer to simply separate happiness from self-worth

Self-worth is consistent and within, happiness is elusive

You can be happy and feel worthless, but if you have worth happiness doesn't matter

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

...if you have worth happiness doesn't matter

That's a decent fucking line to live by. Reminds me of a bit from Vikings; "Who told you you should be happy?"

Society seems hell-bent on crushing the reality that value is its own animal and that happiness is not a necessary part of its diet.

[–]Luckyluke235 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you know what's better than having any girl you want? Being so happy with your own life that you don't need her,

try tell that to a noobie who has had limiting success.

[–]Scroph18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

After all, RedPill still is a forum for discussing sexual strategy, as it states in the sidebar.

The way I see is that TRP discusses sexual strategy and not just sexual tactics. Chess players will be acquainted with the subtle difference in wording. Tactics are short-term solutions, but strategy goes deeper than that and addresses issues you might not even have yet. For example, if TRP were about sexual tactics, it would consist of how to get women for one-night stands, but it wouldn't address how to identify, get and keep quality women. TRP however does address that as well as issues that might happen down the road like fitness tests, a dead bedroom or, God forbid, divorce rape. That's why TRP is an amalgamation of self-improvement, sexual tactics and, to some degree, philosophical and psychological input (meditation, stoicism, what it is to be a man, etc.).

[–]do_it_or_leave3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very enlightening, thanks for your reply.

[–]theredpillager6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've had a lot of success with women and I still struggle with this. It is a road we travel, not a destination we reach. We get to know the road better, we learn more about it, but there's always work to be done.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Indeed. It took me quite a few lays before I stopped getting proud after fucking a girl. It's all about abundance mentality.

Smart people doesn't have to say they are smart. Fit people doesn't have to say they are fit. Men who are good with women doesn't have to say they are good with women.

[–]Cesare_MA2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are so spot on it's ridiculous. I still remember the first time I made out with a girl, the first time I finger fucked one on a dance floor, the first time a girl approached me and started making out with me, the first time a girl whispered in my ear that she wanted to fuck me.

I read about how women shouldn't be pedastalized for months and months before that, yet all of those experiences did so much more in helping me internalize it. Yeah I bragged line crazy about all that stuff at first, but eventually the novelty wears off and you realize how true everything on this sub is.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

telling newbies that getting pussy is not the goal, but the only way to really change their mindset is through more experience with women.

I'm no noobie when it comes to this shit and I KNOW it's about self-improvement in the end. ( it's about YOU and not " how many women can i get") but due to lack of success I'm still in this mindset.

I HAVE to go through the experience before I can shift my thinking.

[–]BlackJ11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not trying to be the "exception to the rule" guy however I'd like to point out that experience with women does not entail having sex with them. I'm a virgin.

I'm not MGTOW nor do I have this "fuck bitches they are horrible/boring and I don't need them anyway" mindset.

Pre-TRP young teenage days I always "tried" to get a girlfriend, and I'm man enough to say I failed and it honestly just frustrated the crap out of me which is how I found theredpill.

Post-TRP I started self-improving and started doing things that made me happy until I finally realized that "gaming women" or "counting how many women I can have sex with" is not the key to my happiness. It's only just a stroke of me ego so I can go brag to my peers and feel like I got somewhere in life.

This isn't me hamstering away my feelings or "sour grapes". Right now I can honestly say I feel happy as fuck even without me being in a LTR or having sex. It's just a simple luxury to my life.

[–]Swishmak3r1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everything you and the OP said is true. I've been on here for about 6 months now and in the beginning, it is all about the women. But literally, before I even read this post, this morning I was doing my usual reading about more "lady strategies" on TRP and I had to ask myself, "Why am I reading this? I know what I am supposed to do. Continue to focus on myself and cultivating an IDGAF attitude and let the chips fall where they will." Then I read this post hours later and it confirms my self-realization. This may result in me never visiting this sub again. Not because of animosity or pursuing an MGTOW mindset, but because after awhile, TRP really does repeat itself to get a point across to us that it is all about you and not her and paradoxically, the sooner you can understand that, you'll have more women after you than you can almost handle but at the same time, that can't be your goal. As a struggling BP, this is more difficult than just saying it because of how we've been conditioned for many years. Still, every now and then, it's a good reminder.

[–]KennyF910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

More men need to get out to live to be happy. I took a trip to Puerto Rico to have fun. Did I have sex? Yes I did, but it wasn't the point of me going.

I wanted to go swimming, hiking, explore and more, getting intoxicated and partying was for fun. Sex helped but if I did nothing but bang chicks in my hotel I'd be pissed I didn't stay in Florida.

I want to learn to sail, continue traveling and build a wooden ship. Being Red pill I got motivated to put forth the effort to better myself and try, not focusing on dating 9/10s or banging everything in site. Trp kept me from banging a hot psycho who could have flipped and pressed Sexual Assualt charges. Focus on productivity should be our goal as you said not tunnel vision dedicated to women

[–]Nonstopas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've been thinking a lot about what you said, and this ironic paradox that is happening to me after reading The Rational Male and the Redpill is that i am not sure if i want to fuck more women without getting into a relationship or rather than that just focusing on my own thing. In the end what i get is none of the above, im neither getting sex or neither im focused on wealth or just becoming a stronger person after all.

[–]Paladin290333 points34 points  (3 children) | Copy

Excellent post.

TRP is full of a wealth of knowledge, but it's an immediate turnoff when you see the answer to many deep philosophical questions is always, "Fuck bitches (literally), bruh."

[–]dRePe_Thill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree..what OP should have ended with is "Fuck bitches, get money"

[–]do_it_or_leave13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

More like get money fuck bitches

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

funnily enough, this is what women say too

[–]refusewool21 points22 points  (7 children) | Copy

I focus on a lot of the things from the list of recommended goals but the problem is I know I'm doing it for girls.

I go to the gym 6 days a week without fail... For girls.

I count calories with the strictest discipline... For girls.

I read books so I can improve my life and so I can become more successful... You guessed it... For girls.

Obviously these are good habits but the motivation is wrong and I know it. But I struggle to reframe the mindset so my own happiness is the motivator. How can I do this when I think the path for happiness for me is through women?

[–]OptiLaSeR8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most of us are doing the same. Until you've had enough of the pussy , you will continue doing these all for the girls. Once you hit a pussy number ,you'll realise it internally and no matter what you won't stop it just because you got enough girls but because it became a habit and habits are hard to break.

[–]Aaronindhouse6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Did you read The Manipulated Man in the side bar material?

I think it will help you with breaking your fixation on what women think of you. As men there is nothing greater than being validated by women. We are trained to think this way, and i think you are still stuck on that(hell even I haven't completely broken this mindset yet). Give it a read if you haven't and let me know what you think after.

[–]erfarr0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm about half way through it right now and its a great read. Its changing my perspective on a lot of things.

[–]Aaronindhouse1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The first time I read it, i remember being very angry. I think its important not to feel anger or disdain for women after reading this. It gives insight into how both men and women operate. Understanding what motivates women helps with getting them, but it also illustrates just how ridiculous our blind compulsion for them is when its not really a net gain in any way.

At the end of the day, having a life partner is fulfilling. It important not to feel alone. Women give us something, real or not, that friends just can't. The manipulated man reveals the true nature of the man/woman relationship. Its important for a man to find fulfillment in other things outside of a woman. Our nature is to be slaves to something, its how we feel good, feel complete, to be happy, we need to find the right things to channel that compulsion into. If we fall into the trap of making our master a woman, enslaving our selves to their desires, we can never truly be happy. A woman's happiness doesn't come from their enslavement from us, it comes from things, stuff, products of labor. There is no need for us to worship them, or obey them like dogs, they don't need that to be happy.

That gets to the red pill ideology of improving yourself and the women will come to you. Women don't need a blue pill slave, they just need a man who produces value. If a man pursues interests and work that make him happy, he is naturally confident and fulfilled since he is following his nature. It just so happens that the products of your labor are things that make women happy and attracted to you. Find happiness in what you do, because a woman's love/attention lasts only as long as you produce stuff to keep her that way.

[–]erfarr0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not necessarily mad at women after reading this. It just kind of helps me understand why in my past two relationships I feel like I've just been used by my ex while it was convenient for them to date me. And it explains to me why it seems like they were both so quick to move onto another guy after me. Because that is in women's nature, to use us men for all we are worth then leave us when it isn't working out anymore. It explains why women are branchswingers to me.

[–]Itr0llhoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea. Women are the users and we arr the victims. Wait what? Lol

All you RP posters are self absorbed jocks/social maladapts who are deficient in human interaction and communication. Your exs probably got over you quickly because being with you felt the same way as going to an uncomfortable sausage fest where guys just feed girls alcohol without making them feel comfortable and laugh hoping someone will eventually get inebriated enough to give up and sleep with some of the shitty options about.

[–]p3n1x4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

problem is I know I'm doing it for girls.

It isn't a "problem".

You are hard coded for it.

Do what brings you happiness, period. If chasing pussy right now is a challenge and fun, fuck what anyone else says. If that is what it takes for you to be a better you for now, then so be it. Just make sure you don't do the 'inverse', which means doing negative things for a women. This is where the toolkit really works, to show you what those negatives are and how the female will try to put you on her meta-frame rollercoaster.

-Doing those difficult extra reps for pussy? Fine.

-Spending a shitload of money on a dinner for pussy. Not Fine.

Down the road, if the "fun" wears off, TRP knowledge is there for you to understand what is happening to you at the time. That way you stay elevated in whatever adventure you are pursuing.

One of the fun things about being human is our ability to be able to question and perform minor manipulations to our architecture.

.The Ascetic Anarchist.

You shouldn't focus on the females to the point you are sacrificing yourself, your resources, health .. ect..

However, fuck any person on TRP that tells you what happiness "should" be.

It is very difficult to explain to someone that they are "wasting their time" when they are in the middle of having fun.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat37 points38 points  (11 children) | Copy


OK I get it, it's a zen thing. In order to achieve enlightenment, you must stop thinking of achieving enlightenment. In order to get women, you must stop thinking of getting women.

And accordingly, it's just as important yet confusing as Zen. "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.".

I feel I am advanced enough that I understand the importance of what you wrote, yet not enough that I must admit I still need it. Thanks to the red pill, I start understanding very well how women, pick up and relationships work, but I am focusing too much on these to really reap the benefits... This is fundamental. I need to bookmark this and come back to it regularly to assess how far I still have to walk on this path. Thanks for posting.

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 35 points36 points  (9 children) | Copy

You're on the right track, but it sounds like you just want to get women.

My brother, I promise you that bitches are not shit. One day you will discover for yourself and laugh.

Bookmark it if you want, but it's not necessary to be so fervent. Being tryhard actually turns women off (Not that you should care).

Focus on yourself and the pussy will come to you. No work required. No more bookmarking reddit posts. No more self hatred. No more doubt. No more complaining.

Only forward progress.

Stoicism is the goal.

Imagine if you put your own life on the pedestal you put pussy on. Just learn how to love yourself as much as you love pussy.

You can earn confidence and self-respect by doing things that are challenging. Consult my list above for examples. This is where you need to start.

[–]Hotdawg1795 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn this even was more insightful and inspiring than the OP.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The self hatred could really use a whole series of posts. Intelligent guys will hate themselves when they get rekt by some cunt, it allways allways happens sooner or later. The guy in a "happy" relationship of 10 years who gets a blowie once a year is just as rekt as the guy who got dumped.

This self hatred fuels a lot of people in here. It has some positive effects, people study female sexuality, lift etc. But, the self hatred kind of ruins the entire thing, you will be a perenniall closeted pedestalizer. It will never feel like "it clicked for you" , the natural amused mastery will never be there. You gotta stop hating yourself, hate Darwin, hate the Left, but yourself and your fellow man could use a break.

[–]circlhat3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Focus on yourself and the pussy will come to you. No work required.

Not true, even Billionaires have trouble getting women.

the pedestal you put pussy on.

Wanting a women is not the pedestal, it seems this belongs on TwoX where you are suppose to live life and let women come to you, women would like this as it keeps them as selectors, it's far better to seek out women and be forward, direct with your intention, most women respond positively.

Social Skills aren't taught with lifting, as it is one small piece of the puzzle

[–]AyeAmScottishYaCunt2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Show me a billionaire who struggles to get laid..

He's not referring to wanting a woman = pedestalising them, it's more of a broad blanket statement. He's saying that if you pedestalise your own life the way a typical beta would pedestalise his unicorn/oneitis then that is when things get interesting for you. I believe.

[–]circlhat3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

She never even fucked him, and he is about to marry her, as I said red pill is blue pill at this point, money means fucking nothing, you can't negotiate attraction

[–]RedShock11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are always exceptions dude. If he's got that much money any sugar babe would be attracted. He clearly is too BP

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Millionaires can be beta too.

[–]AyeAmScottishYaCunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Whilst I stand corrected in this instance (if you can assume TMZ a credible source) he is pursuing an A list celeb - I'm sure he could make one phonecall and have a dozen woman in his hotel room in 30 minutes

He just obviously has a very serious cause of oneitis for MC and wouldn't dream of such a thing - even though it's no doubt happened in his past..

The disillusion of some people eh.. mystifies me

[–]circlhat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is simply misdirection, if you want to get women you must make a move and you must move correctly.

I get women will I pursue women, when I have tinder accounts, and message, and talk to them, not when I'm working on myself

[–]1StoicCrane6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's no paradox. There are aspects of TRP that portray the truth about wordly womens' behaviors in this modern societal climate (Briffault's Law, Women treat Men as commodities rather than people, Hypergamy, Dualistic Feminine mating stragies/Sexual Plurism, Oneitis-idolizing women, Androgyny in relationships and it's origins/impact, etc.)

Then there are some that advocate finding solace where there is none. Particularly in the between the legs of myriads of random women. Delusional corruptive thinking likely to ruin one's life rather than improving it (STDs, Unwanted pregnancies, False Rape Allegations, Legal Entrapment via child support, Orphaned Children, etc).

With TRP unless one has developed the ability to discern Truth from falshood one shouldn't use it. Otherwise they're liable to end up in a world of hurt. In all candor, this is a horrible intergender climate to really bother with women at all much less have a relationship/family with one. Use discretion.

[–]korewarp9 points10 points  (15 children) | Copy

I'd like to think that I've picked up on a lot of RP goodness and theory, but there's just something in this post that I don't get:

If I'm supposed to do things to make myself happy, then why would I lift? To me, the only reason to do mindless lifting is to get, you guessed it, women. Or have I misunderstood something?

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 26 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lifting gives you confidence, strength, health benefits, mental health benefits, makes you feel good, and is just very good for you in general.

Girls happen to like it.

[–]korewarp7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Guess I just haven't gotten to the state where it feels good to myself yet then. :(. I'll keep giving it a go, since so many others on here swear by it.

[–]p3n1x4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fix your diet. Exercise is a waste without proper food and rest.

[–]gerannu1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Patience is key here, there was a post a while back that mentioned trusting the process. There will be many times where you think you have reached that point where it feels good to yourself and you will want to ease off the gas a little. Don't don't that, keep ploughing on and you'll will reap all the rewards.

[–]OptiLaSeR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's this juliens video exactly about it.

[–]mutsie8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every time I go to the gym, it feels more like a mental exercise to me than physical. I am trying to push my limits as good as I can, be it with weights or on the treadmill. Just trying to get to the point where you feel you can't go on anymore and THEN realizing that you still have room to go, something to spend (a couple more reps, 10 more minutes on the 'mill), that to me is where personal growth happens. This translates to other elements in life, like studying for example. Every time I think I can't go on, I'll just remember the times in the gym where I thought the same and still pressed on.

edit: typo

[–]P4_Brotagonist4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Couldn't agree more. As a dude with a heart condition, my life was always "this feels a little bad I'm scared and need to stop."

Through trial and error I realized I can go so much further and there is definitely a feeling of "stop this now or get the fucking nitro tablet", but I was nowhere near it before. Getting to that point was 90% mental.

[–]idiedlongago2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe try bodyweightfitness

Yes, everyone here swears on lifting, but hear me out

You can make gains with bwf

You can get confident, jacked, and achieve everything lifting is supposed to do

You will eventually learn human flag.!

What I'm saying is, maybe weights aren't for you, but fitness can still be fun.

[–]BrodinsOats1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, bodyweight fitness is the fucking shit.

The motor control and body awareness that you develop is on an entirely different level compared to weightlifting. The skillful movements are so much more interesting and challenging. You gain so much physical autonomy.

And it can get you absolutely jacked with an amazingly balanced physique.

[–]ShamwowTseDung2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone and their mother is going to give you reasons why you would want to lift, but no one is answering the question you're asking- why do you care?

That's a question that YOU must answer. Don't live a life full of activities you do because other people tell you to. You're not a robot, here to do whatever someone programs you to do.

Take responsibility and do what you want to do.

You obviously have no reasons to lift, yet, besides everyone else does it. Well then, stop lifting. It may be controversial, but every time you go do something without reason, you just reinforce the habit of being unable to do anything without the assistance of someone else.

You'll never get to the point of being your own person, if that interests you.

Funny thing is that I can definitely see you wanting to exercise (not necessary by lifting weights) in the future. The reasons will come to you on their own, according to your lifestyle. Then you'll understand.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because it is your God. Blindly accept it. You can doubt it but never stop doing it. You may never understand, but that will be a fault of you, not lifting

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

then why would I lift?

Many, many years of modern medical research has proven that exercise has a strong positive effect on mental health (obviously many other things too). Mental health is needed to be successful at understanding, retaining, actioning and teaching material beyond the surface layer.

Want to bake a cake without sugar, thats your prerogative.

We just happen to live in an age where society will "sponsor" and provide charity to weak and feeble males and allow them to hold positions of authority. The problem is that those weak and feeble males believe they should be seen as equals and should have equal access to the Alpha dinner table without putting in the work. A form of Pussy Socialism :p

You want to sex up Fat Purple Haired Feminists? Again, your prerogative.

Money has many purposes, one is sexual strategy. You make enough to get the 9's & 10's to fuck you, cool. But she is always going to desire the strong healthy male dick no matter what your "title" & "perceived" power is.

Do it for the betterment of yourself.

Or do it for her and reap the rewards.

Still not enough? Alpha isn't for everyone.

[–]AttackOnKvothe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Other men may want your wallet.

Defending yourself is cool, even if there are no women to see it and swoon over.

Sometimes it just feels good being the most powerful men,

[–]topapito4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only thing better than money, is more money.

I wish I could upvote this post more than just one time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorReddJive5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Step back.

Laugh at them.

Smirk at yourself.

It's bullshit in the end.

[–]NeoreactionSafe4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy


Actually "happiness" is not really the goal Truth is.

One comes to realize the Blue Pill is a mythology designed to keep you in the dark and ignorant of Truth. This Blue Pill mythology happens to make you unhappy, but that is more because "they" designed it badly. The Blue Pill mythology has "glitches" such as the fact women are nothing like what the fantasies pretend they are like. It's from the flaws in the Blue Pill mythology that we begin to see the whole thing collapse before our eyes.


  • Anger Phase


The Anger Phase is when you realize everything you believed was true based on a Blue Pill understanding of reality was actually just a myth and that it was cruel in the way it deceived you. You become Angry.

Through channeling this Anger you look inward and "Kill the Beta" and begin to systematically delete all your past Blue Pill programming.

This is important:


  • "The Anger should not be entirely gone until the Blue Pill is deleted."


This means it's an ongoing life process. We delete our own Blue Pill programming then take great pleasure (tinged with Anger) so that we:

Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

In other words...

We are set on a path of destruction.

Our life becomes about destroying the myths within and without.

And externally we are seeing an effect... Trump and Brexit reflect this inclination to destroy the programming.

Will this grab at freedom get us all killed by the forces which seek our slavery?

I don't know... I'd rather live free than be a slave. (I'll chance it)


[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy

This is a good post - for high school/college. Where this mindset falls apart is raising children.

  • Studying what a woman is attracted to
  • Learning game and manipulation tactics for gaming women

If you want to raise kids, you'll have to deal with a woman, as a woman. Then your happiness will very much depend on those two things and dealing with her frame, and, indirectly=by being the best man you can be, as is the red pill way, but still, both actively and with regard to her values, making her "love"/respect you, so that your kids grow up within a loving family and a clear picture of what healthy masculine-feminine polarity looks and feels like, which is essential.

Focusing on women goes against the core redpill ideology.

Bluepill preaches "focusing" on "your" woman like you would on your male best friend or roommate, with emphasis on "respect" and rational communication among equals - this is wrong. But the fact that women tend to not communicate/comprehend what they truly want, doesn't mean that there isn't anything that they want, or that what they want is wrong and not worth considering. If you want children, you will have to learn to focus on that, on her, on her as a woman, which is not only redpill, but also pretty much the only area where the red pill truly matters.

Yes, women, society and people in general don't feel/behave the way bluepill/liberal thinking portrays it, it doesn't mean you have to give up on it and dive into that edgy individualism that seems to be flooding this place. A positive and emotional relationship to those are both possible and necessary, and theredpill is what makes it possible, you just need to get out of the depression phase and see the beauty of it all.

[–]pinenuts12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

As a divorced middle-aged man, I agree with you. The OP is actually on a very wrong track. He is basically being the counterpart to the entitled SJW, attractive, entitled, mid-to-highly attractive girl. The post could, with a few changes, belong in Two Chromosome or equivalent space.

Yes, better yourself. but not to not give a fuck, but rather to become enlightened. Many women (and men) are very simple creatures, and your superiority does not come from knowing you are better, but from acknowledging and respecting them as they are. If a woman is not a good challenge for you, you are preying on the weak. You are being the bully picking on the poor weakling. A truly enlightened man will either not engage her, or engage her in a respectful way. This can perfectly mean sex, but in a benign and caring way. Using a woman is pitiful, and very unsatisfying. It's a hell of a lot more satisfying to enter into a meaningful relationship with a smart, beautiful, secure woman, who will challenge your intellect, wit, and body, than a "Trophy wife". Throphy wifes are permanent escorts.

From your post I can see you have either never met a valuable woman or recognized her. If you had you would be trying to work a relationship with her. I have met a few. You will too, if you realize they exist. They are prizes, but not to put on a pedestal, but to be your equal, in her sphere. And yes, many valuable women want a leading man. A strong man. They accept that, but will not take wanton bullying. They don't want a dictator, but a man they can engage, who they can talk to, and get to common grounds, knowing that if it comes to that, the man will have the last say. A valuable woman will accept that as long as what you propose is right. A valuable woman will ditch you if she senses that you are trying to dictate just to prove you are boss, because that is toxic, and aware of her worth she will not take your shit. You power must come from righteousness.

As you get older you'll realize that sexual variety gets old fast, and that one good partner at a time makes life much more satisfying. You don't have to devote so much time to look for intimacy and physical enjoyment. Life is much more than trying to get more pussy, and the right woman will keep you more than satisfied. BTW, the quest for money and power can be much more rewarding that varied sexual partners. And money and power should only be a means to do what you really want, not an end to itself.

Men need women, in one or another way. That is biology and evolution. Humans are not harem animals. Harems and poligamy are constructs of certain societies, and within the societies we live we must play the cards to get the best. The best is not "more bitches". The key here is to engage in lasting, fruitful, respectful (not necessarily equal in the sense of modern feminism, but equivalent) relationships. A man needs to work a lasting relationship to reproduce and rear valuable individuals that can lead happy, fruitful lives, and if you don't respect their mother that won't happen.

That said, I believe that it's perfectly fine to play in your early adulthood, but realizing that you ultimately want to find a good one to form a family and raise happy, valuable children. Ultimately having several serial fulfilling relationships is a valid outcome.

I believe you are the result of a society that has devalued men, and it seems you are in a backlash. Good women are out there, and they are not objects. Thay are rare, and it is likely that your lifestyle prevents you from meeting them.

Maybe a good way of condensing this would be: Respect women, as you would respect your most valuable second-in-command. You don't want to waste time on losers. You are looking to find a great one, and to have a great one respect you, you must be the best. That's the point. Better yourself and you'll make yourself available to great women. Great women are not disposable. Be ready to be challenged in a good way, and be ready for the challenge.

Don't waste your time climbing hills. Go for the Himalayas.

[–]shlobbybox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to think the same way. I, too, got sick of the mind games and lack of love in life. Found a great girl. After a year and a half she left me for some chumpy simp-ass mothefucker, just because she felt like it. They never stay if you love them back.

She turned into a total bitch after I got sick. Even though I was there for her throughout all her problems, issues, deaths, treating her as an equal but second in command, ect. No mind games. I wouldn't take shit from her unless she was right. She was my partner, my soulmate, I showed her the world. As soon as I got sick, BOOM, done. I had some heart issues which gave me anxiety. I'm fine now and better than ever. But she couldn't have ran away fast enough.

They all eventually rot away. Nothing gold can stay. The only thing constant in this world is chaos. After her, being with a woman is the most anxiety inducing thing I can imagine. Don't make the same mistake I did.

[–]actie_ points points [recovered] | Copy

this is sad. How this blue pilled shit gets upvoted is beyond me no words. Since when did the red pill turn into a bunch of betas wanting to ltr these wild sluts lol? no offense but youre the type that hates chad and instead of improving to be chad youre spouting useless shit. the amount of people like this on here is absolutely crazy. while youre wanting a ltr were out here slaying your gfs and getting twerked on in bathroom stalls by the "good girls" youre ltring. this reply is cancer im not trying to offend but if youre even thinking about a relationship that just shows you dont have bad bitches throwing themselves at you, have low testosterone, bad facial structure and phsyque, and is not a chad. this comment is oneituts lmfao.. so many things wrong with this comment lmfao. is this a result of cuffing season from you guys? come on jesus christ wtf

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

keep on improving, one day you'll even catch up with chad and get just as many wild twerking bitches lol

It's true that the best woman will be a bitch for someone better than you. This is what marriage and shared morals were supposed to guard against. Now that those mechanism are deteriorating or even gone, having a family becomes harder, which means, contributing to a prospering and healthy society becomes harder, partly thanks to vultures like you, although I am 90% sure you're a fat troll from 2X or sth. In case you're not, enjoy the decline, have fun sawing the branch that you're sitting on, part of me hopes you'll live to witness how it breaks, and part of me... doesn't.

[–]actie_ points points [recovered] | Copy

i literally have like one hundred like this lol. and no there not fake all real i have no purpose to fake something and yes theyre my dick vids

dont wanna give out all my good pokemon cards though

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's nothing compared to Chad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

so that's the part of my comment that you read, huh. and then you felt the need to prove sth? it must be hard for you to imagine, but the comments before talked about more than fucking some poor sluts with terrible lives, and about how there is more than that.

[–]Rommel05021 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im going to be blunt as usual. Posting that bullshit link on top of the clear anger-phase rant above just screams insecurity beyond belief. If you don't get some real confidence you aren't going to get anywhere.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

This isn't a religion or a fraternity. Its an internet forum where you can get some different information. Take TRP off the pedestal

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am trying. It's a fight between me & my own biology. Between that old beta that wants to believe & iron rule #6. I have no outlet. I'm surrounded by plugged in fucks & the shit has driven me to a breaking point. One minute I'm the man, spinning 6 plates then the next it's oneitis slipping through a crack, my insides dying a bit more & the cycle repeats. I keep suffering.

[–]LeBatidos points points [recovered] | Copy

Dude, I just wanted to let you know that you aren't alone. Spinning plates gives us a great confidence boost and a short term gradification but eventually we want to find someone we can really connect with. I have the problem that as soon as one of the girls seems interesting, my BP side rises up and I get oneitis but eventually I always end up disappointed. Hope you find what makes you really happy, as I am also trying to focus on myself more than just trying to bang girls.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I want the poisonous thoughts to stop. She fell on the floor crying when I went to walk away & refuses to let me go. I'm tired & sick of hurting & knowing I'm doing it to myself. My ego has been hit & I only wanna rebuild frame. Fuck her. She's tryna be sweet now & paranoid that my phone's ringing with hoes again. I just want that fire I had back. I want myself back. Every married bored guy at work lives vicariously through me & calls me BigDick Sourjuice. They can tell something's wrong. The fire has to come from somewhere else than women though. I gotta figure it out

[–]TALzFGxawb2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think doing it for the women is a good enough way to get traction initially

Like, if thinking about looking good for women is what gets you to buy a gym membership, go for it. Once you show up and work your ass to the bone a few times, it'll stop being about the women.

The problem solves itself once you start putting in the effort

[–]evilkenevil2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Naturally, we tend to talk about women. I want to make you understand that women are not the goal. A bitch, 10 bitches, or 100 bitches will never make you as happy as you can make yourself."

This is a key point. Once your happiness is not dependent on getting that girl you are now in control. You will have more success and a better quality of life if you focus on everything except a girl. There is no the girl. There are MANY of them. AWALT is real. I'm in my 50's and have seen women doing the exact same thing in the 70's, 80's, 90's, all the way to today. I've seen nothing but men getting more desperate as time goes along. People make fun of the macho images of the men in the 70's but women REALLY liked that image of a man whether it was faked or not. I cannot accurately enough describe the dating scene of the 70's. Women have taken control in the club scene. It's not their fault directly-over the years our society has taught our boys that roaring is looked down upon. I really just see men not knowing how to be.

Your happiness and success is tied to you directly. No woman is going to save you or bring you ultimate happiness. Focus on yourself and women will notice and flock to you.

[–]circlhat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Focusing on women goes against the core redpill ideology.

For blue pillers, Yes, focusing on yourself is the same blue pill advice, check ask men, or any other sub reddit, they are preach self improvement, problem is if you read the side bar you will see that it means little to women.

Wealth doesn't buy happiness, it helps but nothing made me happier than getting women, it's not my only goal in life but it is a goal, it seems you believe women should just fall into place if you have a good career.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can't express how glad I am to see this post, and see it getting upvoted. TheRedPill is an extremely wise corner of the internet but that being said there are also some misguided motivations going around here as well.

Truly taking care of yourself is exactly what this post describes it as, and it's an important first step.

Next step is learning how to put your ego in a box and start taking care of others.

[–]RadicalDan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe I can get a little more "in between the lines" than the sidebar for those who dont "get it".

You and I have the luxury of overtly sharing & communicating these practices in text, but in the real world, talking about game & frame is a big no-no.

If she's acting like a bitch (shit testing), and you say "you're acting like a bitch", you're talking about the game. Specifically, her game that she's playing that made you say that. Its like breaking the 4th wall in a movie. And now you are quite literally narrating her story, rather than being the protagonist of your own.

What you really said is "I know how this movie ends, and I dont like it". That's why you need to have goals grounded on improving yourself. If your lot in life is bedding a single female, and then living happily ever after, shes going to fuck up the plot. I am the definition of an "anything is possible" guy, but at this point in time, the odds are stacked heavily against this narrative.

But, if at the end of your movie you're planning on slaying a dragon, and you need armor, a horse, and the knowledge, and physical capabilities to use what you have acquired, what is going to stop you?

The dragon will, if you're not prepared.

[–]pn_me_your_dick1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

if you guys see things as what they are then why don't you see yourself as what you are? If a white blood cell had the same mindset as you guys you would die instantly. You all have strong idendity issues. fucking retards^

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Can you identify which points you disagree with and why?

[–]pn_me_your_dick1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

"don't help others but yourself" You guys say you see yourself and the world as what it is and think logically but how the fck is this logical? Humans came only so far in evolution because of our empathy which makes us help each other

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When did I say not to help others?

I said "Form meaningful connections with other human beings."

[–]Trpidation1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell yeah. Excellent post on frame, which is undoubtedly the most important aspect of getting hoes. What's funny is when you focus on making yourself happy bitches just naturally fall into your lap. The universe wants to help you with it too. Great read.

[–]goldnhorde1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

the craziest thing to me is that it is a total "field of dreams" scenario built around one of the oldest and best pieces of advice ever: "you take care of you.".

doesn't mean "fuck the rest of the world". just means you work on you. you use your concentration and concern and time on you. Make you the best you can be today. take care of your health. exercise. be great at your job. continue studies even after your degree. be the smartest, fastest, strongest, most presentable you that you can be. and the hardest lesson to learn, but always make sure you are living by YOUR standards and no one else's. no one else gets a vote about you.

and if you do that, the rest falls into place.

wants girls? this gives you the best chance. the "pick up lines" are more about attitude than verbiage, along with an attitude that displays you are not afraid to engage and initiate physical sexual contact.

it's strange to watch so many guys go off on these tales of girls when they should be an after thought. An unexpected award for taking care of yourself. almost a secondary benefit so to speak. cause if you have you together .... they'll line it up. then just by being you, you show them you don't need them.

it's not a line. if you really are taking care of yourself, you have no need for women. they are icing on cake. they make a sweet life a little sweeter.

and when you have all that ..... that is when you consider options.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I am not asking you to go MGTOW. Have fun with women! Just don't make them your goal."

You are mistaken.

In fact, there are some MGTOW who still have fun with women. They are categorized as "bachelor" type.

But, there are some MGTOW prefer to not deal with women. They are categorized as "ghost" type.

[–]Noolaw2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is the core of MGTOW my friends. MGTOW doesnt not mean giving up on women. Many MGTOWS can fuck women. Just too many angry MGTOWS misrepresenting the MGTOWsphere. I am pretty sure there are low key MGTOWS getting tons of pussy out there somewhere. MGTOW FOR LIFE!

[–]The_M0rning_Star4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man, you lot are dramatic af. If you can only find internal happiness by devaluing something outside of yourself, you have some issues you need to work on. Also, you contradicted yourself. Devaluing women to find your happiness would still imply that it's women who bring you happiness, albeit in a negative fashion. If women aren't a big deal, if they're truly nothing, why the fuck can't you stop talking about them? Make the next 20 posts on TRP not mention women once and I'll actually believe you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not going to report concern trolling or moralizing but you're definitely doing it. TRP is about understanding women, period. How you achieve your goals so long as they conform to TRP theory is irrelevant.

This post is subtly shaming guys who do in fact make it their full time job to slay. Well because of some internalized transition of worship of women, to the self.

The end goal is not growth, which your post is wrapped in. It's about happiness. How a person achieves that end, is up to them. Lifting is an important means to that end.

But you're moralizing and trying to value signal. "Oh look at me, I'm not concerned, I'm really not, you are though, way too much!"

In order to truly adopt a proper philosophy here, you need to have spent literally years in observation, debate and finally with acceptance. If you want to have a grounded objection, it should be in guys spending time trying to find holes in the subject matter, they're not there.

I call this concern trolling and moralizing because you're the same guy that is going to want to put women on a pedestal, while at the same time putting yourself just slightly over her.

No one is important, sexual strategy is amoral.

[–]1ozaku71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a lifestyle mindset. It not only affects the area of women in your life, but also business life, social life, personal satisfaction, self-improvement and more. I won't write more because I would only be repeating what you are writing.

But typically, it's the "bitches" that are the most desirable to the newbies, because that's the thing that they desire but can't have. They just want to have a car, and not learn about the maintainance, driving skills they require to drive it to the fullest, the negotiationskills to get the car for the lowest price, the faults and benefits of the car, and so on. I believe a good metaphor would help to visualize how important any other goal plays a role in achieving a specific goal.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

ideas of success varies from person to person, often success is having lots of women and therefore happiness.

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

You are still living by their terms. By not giving a fuck, you will attract more women anyway.

Everybody wants to fuck a lot of women. Making it your goal is stupid and women aren't attracted to thirsty betas.

They're attracted to guys who don't give a fuck about them.

Remember, 1000 bitches will not make you happy if you weren't happy before.

[–]jnsu_ points points [recovered] | Copy

LOL this is how you cope with not pulling bad bitches 24/7 and having wild sluts chasing you down . you tell yourself this and then you make a post about it telling people not to improve for girls and follow your life style.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're gone, faggot.

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Calm down Chad

I get pussy

Your post history makes you look like an insecure loser.

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've already banned him. His posting history is full of dogshit.

In the future, don't bother engaging with morons. Just report them and we'll clean them up.

[–]JackGetsIt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good post. It's difficult to explain this truth to someone who hasn't had a lot sexual and relationship contact with women.

[–]pinechas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What about morality? What about when women use men for their money? Is that what RP womanhood is about?

[–]CollaterLDamage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The sidebar doesn't really enforce that ideology. There's a lot of tactics to improve your presence but honestly, how many threads have you seen here talking about making friends, learning to socialize or even weight routines.

The whole recommended booklist is all getting over women's shit.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not concern trolling.

Women speak for denying something you're doing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Regarding what women do for you I think Kid Cudi said it best.

I got 99 problems and they all bitches.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

this is a good post, but, I think you should be doing EVERYTHING in your power to be THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN BE.

it's not about doing one thing and NOT doing another. I think it's having a little bit of everything will help you become the best person.

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, be the best person you can be. That's the entire reason for my post.

[–]Rugby110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for this! I'm very interested to follow this podcast.

Also check out The Black Phillip Show, then listen to Beige Phillip after.

[–]BassNet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What about the need for sexual release? I know I'm framing it incorrectly but whenever I get horny I think "man I really need a girl to fuck right now" and this puts me in their frame. I can't just tell myself I don't give a fuck when deep down I know I do because I need that release. I have an insanely high sex drive and for some reason fapping just doesn't do it for me anymore.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great post. I needed to read this.

[–]agentsmolder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You will never develop an unbreakable frame if you do these things I've listed above. By doing these things, you are absolutely living inside of their frame and not your own. You are placing too much importance on a woman and that's the kind of behavior that led you here in the first place.

I needed this post. I felt like I had a relapse into my old state of mind, allowing myself to be swayed and manipulated by the thoughts and opinions of other people, especially women. It's astonishing how arduous it is to truly assimilate the essence of TRP. I've read and understood this crucial point before, but I guess it's hard for your entire psyche to change after years of living the same way. One must never let up, don't give in to the path of least resistance. It wouldn't be worth it if it was easy.

Thanks for the reminder.

[–]L04TSK40 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I choose a dvd for tonight

[–]VermillionManMarch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's just going to turn newbie men off the sub and back to their shitty blue pill existence.

This is an important point. It's a difficult balance, posting raw masculine energy without restricting or diluting it for the wrong reasons, versus maintaining a sub-wide culture that makes sense to people past a steep learning curve, but can become abrasive and repulsive to newcomers.

The "It's a locker room" argument must be balanced against the fact that international TV cameras are in the locker room, live at all times now.

[–]1redpillthrowaway34[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

With this forum, I choose not to edit myself.

That's the word I wanted to say, and that's the word I said.

In real life, I wouldn't say "bitches." The world is too feminized and it's just social suicide.

I think we should be able to say anything we want to. Policing language is stupid and it accomplishes nothing but censoring people.

Sadly, that's not the way the world works. You gotta watch how you express ideas.

[–]neytax0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Quality post man. Thank you.

[–]Tenth_100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This night where I knew I was forever a red pill. Thanks for the read, it was worth it.

[–]VickVaseline-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's been nine months since I unplugged. Am I still a newbie?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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