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It's Frightening How Easily A Woman Can Cuck You...

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March 31, 2017
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this isn't my story. saw this on another forum and thought it was gold so I'm posting it here

I'm talking about the original meaning of the term "cuckold" which is unknowingly raising another man's kids.

One of my plates texted me last night saying she needed to meet with me immediately and that it was "an emergency". I tell her to swing by after work. Meanwhile, I'm racking my brain all day trying to figure out what this is all about. When she finally gets to my place she looks me right in the eye and says "I'm pregnant. It's yours."

No hesitation and spoken in a matter-of-fact way.

Now six months before I met this chick, I had a vasectomy done, so there's virtually no chance this kid is mine. Inside I'm furious because I know she's fucking some other guy (or multiple guys behind my back). I remain calm however and with a smug smirk I tell her all about my vasectomy and how that basically rules me out as the father of her unborn spawn. I also use that moment to confront her.

"So who else have you been fucking?"

At that moment the waterworks come out. She's crying and blubbering all over the place (trying to elicit sympathy I imagine) telling me how she was banging this guy from work but she doesn't love him and I'm the one she "loves". I guess she saw me as beta bucks? Lucky me.

I show her the door.

Reflecting back on it today it's crazy how easily I could've been cucked and how my whole life would've changed forever. If it wasn't for my vasectomy I probably would've took her word for it and well on my way to raising another man's kid.

Scary stuff.


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Title It's Frightening How Easily A Woman Can Cuck You...
Author bogey_j
Upvotes 1143
Comments 327
Date 31 March 2017 03:16 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor560 points561 points  (15 children) | Copy

I'm the one she "loves".

She was talking to your wallet, not you.

[–]Ivabighairy1336 points337 points  (5 children) | Copy

Oh honey I love you ... But I'm fucking some other guy I don't even like.

[–]AwakeningLion136 points137 points  (3 children) | Copy

... except for his chiselled 6-pack and rock solid arms which give me all kinds of tingles...

[–]Ivabighairy1146 points147 points  (1 child) | Copy

But .... But ... But it's YOU I LOVE!!! I want to spend the rest of my life with you footing the bill, working hard, having sleepless nights of worry, giving you maybe one or two sympathy fucks a year whilst I freely give it to anyone else who looks at me cross eyed. Won't you PLEASE raise and pay for Chad the cad's child?

Did we miss anything?

[–]1empatheticapathetic77 points78 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just needed to find myself. I'm more mature now and I see that I was stupid for running after those bad boys.

[–]Peter_Principle_217 points218 points  (4 children) | Copy

"Daddy, where do babies come from?"

"Well son, when a woman loves a man's paycheck very much..."

[–]1Goomich31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

...she finds one that gives her tingles...

[–]Mckallidon53 points54 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well son, when your mommy goes to the bar and makes a new friend, that's where you came from.

[–]falecf412 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was the best. Literally laughed out loud.

[–]Mckallidon9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many guys get their bulges confused.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Arent we forgetting that the other guy she was fucking was apparently a colleague. Probably a superior, i'd say he was the wallet and OP either another meal ticket or a fun toy.

That whole Chad meme is kind of overplayed unless we're talking about 6'7 300 lbs terminators.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That whole Chad meme is kind of overplayed

Chad is a male unicorn. He is everything we want to be but just can't seem to achieve. That's the point. You might be a total badass, but there is this one thing that someone else does better, and you dear sweetie finds that attractive.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chad is either an alpha attractive guy, until you become an alpha attractive guy. Then Chad is the biggest attractive guy, only until another bigger attractive guy comes and becomes Chad. Chad is the guy in a rock band until an army soldier walks in the room and becomes Chad.

Chad is just whatever man a woman chooses to be enamored with at that moment. Sometimes based on measurable factors, more often than not total randomness and circumstance. Only closeted NEETs believe in the football captain Chad meme because they've never been that guy. If they were they'd know that it's a false belief.

The final red pill is the understanding that no matter your game, smv or genetics, women will find a way to fuck you over in todays enabled world.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon335 points336 points  (28 children) | Copy

So she attempts fraud to the tune of the cost of raising a child. That's at least $500 000.

No wonder she cried when it failed.

Of course this isn't fraud or attempted fraud or any sort of crime at all, because a woman did it.

[–]Rommel0502151 points152 points  (11 children) | Copy

Ive said this before - it should be punishable as a crime, just as I think a woman who falsely accuses rape should get the same sentence as the man would have if he were convicted.

[–]twatbutters55 points56 points  (4 children) | Copy

This will never happen as long as we live in a gynocentric society. Women get the pussypass on an institutional level, and feminist influence will assert that such a punishment will discourage rape reports.

[–]alexclarkbarry6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

it will probably increase the percentage of reports that are truthful by discouraging false reporting.

[–]theaspiringasshole5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOW is the answer to restoring order. Taking tax dollars away from a system set up against us is the only way to change it.

[–]SwordfshII points points [recovered] | Copy

I've said it before... But there should be mandatory DNA tests at birth, for everyone

[–]byrdcall5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why at birth? You can even do this in the womb.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Isnt it a lot more expensive that way?

[–]Thizzlebot3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ive said this before - it should be punishable as a crime

Yah it should but good luck proving it especially with how much broads get a pussypass in the eyes of the law.

[–]throw1745340 points41 points  (6 children) | Copy

It should be - I don't actually mind alot of the female nature shit - a significant ammount is not conscious and just a consequence of their sexual strategy.

But lying to someone about something lifechanging, about a child that is not theres. That WILL define and drastically change their life. Under the illusion it is theirs genetically, and under the illusion shes been faithful.

I'd like to think it requires psychopathy to do it, but what probably happens is a girl will "rationalise" the situation in such a way, that she is doing the right thing, rather than it being abhorrent.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon28 points29 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'd like to think it requires psychopathy to do it, but what probably happens is a girl will "rationalise" the situation in such a way, that she is doing the right thing, rather than it being abhorrent.

Yes, and the courts will side with her. The courts pretend to side with the children, but really side with women.

Evidence: child support is paid to the mother without being audited. Women have rights over their bodies rather than children having rights over their life (ie abortion). Alimony is paid to women for life. False-rape is not a crime. False-paternity is not a crime. Everything favours women in the courts.

[–]throw17453 points points [recovered] | Copy

I've never really looked at the law surrounding these in the UK, but looking at it now it's fucking bad. Spousal maintenance payments... Child maintenance payments...

In theory someone could be married to a partner who cheats on them, and tears their world apart just by that act. Then have to make regular monthly payments to them. That alone could screw someone up psychologically.

Having to make regular payments to someone who has fucked you over about as deeply as a person can, and lets throw in the toxicity of a divorce in which they try to take you for everything possible. Not to mention the lies, social damage, manipulation that seems par for the course for bad divorces.

The child maintenance aspect is wrong too - lets say a girl gets pregnant, yet the guy doesn't want it. He would still be liable to pay, which gives him no agency over a life changing decision. If a girl demands to keep a child a guy explicitly does not want, he should not be liable for child support.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've never really looked at the law surrounding these in the UK, but looking at it now it's fucking bad. Spousal maintenance payments... Child maintenance payments...

There is a lot of insanity and hypocrisy about this stuff in the UK. Women are given every positive advantage and incentive.... and when they're too lazy to do any of it, men have to pay for them. There was a recent case where a woman gambled through all her money left by her husband. The courts deemed she couldn't pay for herself any more, so mandated him to pay her more. Zero responsibility for herself, ex husband from decades previously made to pay. Why? Because the government doesn't want to pay for her, and telling her she can't have free money is apparently not acceptable.

In theory someone could be married to a partner who cheats on them, and tears their world apart just by that act. Then have to make regular monthly payments to them. That alone could screw someone up psychologically.

Not just theoretically, this is a very common scenario.

Having to make regular payments to someone who has fucked you over about as deeply as a person can, and lets throw in the toxicity of a divorce in which they try to take you for everything possible. Not to mention the lies, social damage, manipulation that seems par for the course for bad divorces.

Yes, and there is now a further motive for demonising her ex: to justify her exploitation of him. Happens in almost every divorce case.

The child maintenance aspect is wrong too - lets say a girl gets pregnant, yet the guy doesn't want it. He would still be liable to pay, which gives him no agency over a life changing decision. If a girl demands to keep a child a guy explicitly does not want, he should not be liable for child support.

It's especially bad when you realise that CS is really mother support. It is not audited. If she chooses to buy a new iphone with that money, no court will prosecute her. She absolutely does not have to spend a single penny on the children. Women complain when CS ends because they'll lose income (even though no longer paying for the child). It's backdoor alimony.

Whatever you do... for the love of god... don't get married in the UK or anywhere else.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

False reports to the police is a crime. I agree you never see it happen but making a false report to the police is criminal.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are never prosecuted for this crime.

Only in extreme circumstances where the man does jail time and it is proven beyond all doubt that she was lying is a woman prosecuted.... and even then, she doesn't do jail time for it.

Women are just not prosecuted for their crimes in our society.... "in order to protect other victims". (ie women take priority over men)

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't disagree......I just think that one more child support check is one less welfare check.

[–]Ivabighairy125 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

But women claim they aren't interested in a guys money. RIGHT!!!

[–]swiddie points points [recovered] | Copy

Mail fraud if she puts it in writing.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon40 points41 points  (2 children) | Copy

And yet no woman is ever convicted of this. Courts always say "oh, she must have been mistaken".

Women are never blamed for their actions, even when fraudulent.

[–]Peter_Principle_6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wouldn't want to disrupt the gravy train. A lot of money is riding on the continuation of the CS racket.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

More true than people realize.

Family court is big business. Big, big, business

[–]orhanGAZ1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

serious question: for mail fraud, it only HAS to have USPS stamp on it, right? or does it have to pass through the USPS system and be delivered? I've heard of friends who have stored pot in USPS stamped envelopes to hide evidence and force a more difficult federal warrant.

Just my brain going in legal analysis mode.

[–]LawBot20160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The parent mentioned Mail Fraud. Many people, including non-native speakers, may be unfamiliar with this word. Here is the definition:(In beta, be kind)

Mail fraud occurs when the U.S. Mail is used in furtherance of a criminal act. In order for a defendant to be convicted under 18 U.S.C. 1341 for committing mail fraud, the follow elements must be satisfied: (1) the defendant must have been engaged in a scheme to defraud; (2) the scheme must have involved material misstatements or omissions; (3) the scheme resulted, or would have resulted upon completion, in the loss of money, property, or honest services; (4) the defendant must have used of U.S. mail in furtherance of scheme to defraud; and ... [View More]

See also: Stamp | Mail | Mode | Scheme To Defraud | Criminal Act | White-collar Crime | Furtherance

Note: The parent poster (orhanGAZ or bogey_j) can delete this post | FAQ

[–]orhanGAZ-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also, does email count in this?

[–]MrBellsprout1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean how horrible is that. Not only was she cheating on him which is bad enough, but then she lied straight to his face and then tried to get him to foot a 500,000 dollar bill. That is a straight fucking felony right there. But nobody gives a fuck because, ya know, feminism.

[–]coolred8611491 points492 points  (52 children) | Copy

Not to laugh at this issue, but I would have PAID to see the look on her face when you told her about the vasectomy and you asked her, "who else've you been fuckin?!" Pure gold.

But the realization that she really tried to fuck you over is WILDLY sobering.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl221 points222 points  (42 children) | Copy

I would have PAID to see the look on her face....

  • "I'm pregnant, it's yours"

= "Hold on a sec..." (turns on webcam, starts streaming...) "OK, ready..."

Hmmmm, maybe those Snapchat glasses really do have a purpose.

[–]ITS_JUST_2015_BRO65 points66 points  (35 children) | Copy

He had enough warning when she said they had to talk and that it was serious. Could have had his laptop webcam running. Would have also protected him if she got violent or threatened him.

As a side note I have a watch with a microphone/recorder for taking notes in meetings. Its also useful for protecting yourself. Never reveal that you have it or use it unless the shit really truly hits the fan.

[–]The_Good_Delusion4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

As a side note I have a watch with a microphone/recorder for taking notes in meetings. Its also useful for protecting yourself. Never reveal that you have it or use it unless the shit really truly hits the fan.

This is brilliant. Any particular model you recommend?

[–]ITS_JUST_2015_BRO0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, check the other comment I made in this thread. I cant link it as automod will kill my comment.

In short, its this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/XINSTAR-Recorder-Rechargeable-Conversations-Christmas/dp/B01L6HF40G

[–]twy3440[🍰] 9 points10 points  (29 children) | Copy

It's illegal to tape meetings without people's permission and In some states

[–]Windryder7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's also illegal to "do" a lot of the things you never did but are accused of and have no evidence to dispute it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think that's only if they don't know about it. If you whip out your phone and press record right in front of them your good

[–]newgrounds0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That changes the nature of the behavior

[–]TheTittyBurglar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

can be good sometimes

for ex in a diff situation maybe a cop sees hes being recorded and doesnt shoot the driver , whereas under different circumstances he would

purely hypothetical but thats my point, it can be preventative of bs or drama

[–]AwakeningLion points points [recovered] | Copy

Just remember: the penalty of illegally taping someone is often way less serious than the penalty that said taping can save your ass from. Something to keep in mind.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

I dunno, two years or five in prison...See below re Michigan's law, fairly typical.

Michigan’s statutory law is codified at MCL 750.539c et seq. If you’d like to know where to find your state’s law, just ask below.

MCL 750.539c provides for a 2-year felony / $2,000.00 fine for willfully recording a conversation without each party’s consent. Under 750.539d, it is also a crime to video record or photograph a person in a “private place”, without the person’s consent. A private place is one in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy and as such, a place to which the public also has access is not a private place. Accordingly, dissemination of prohibited recordings is also a violation of law with a 5-year felony / $5,000.00 as punishment.

[–]AwakeningLion points points [recovered] | Copy

Depending on how well-off you are, the above can be better than, for instance, losing half your shit + your kids + being forced to pay for "child support."

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

There's still this thing called "paternity tests." If you have any doubts at all, use them. It would be foolish not to. But there's no reason to resort to committing crimes.

[–]AwakeningLion points points [recovered] | Copy

So I take it you're not aware that more often than not, even if the kid turns out not to be yours, you still have to pay child support. "Crime" is a very subjective term here.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Incorrect. If you contest paternity, immediately, there will be a test, you can force a hearing as well, and if you're not the biological father you will NOT be on the hook.

You're talking about a few cases where a guy took the woman's word for it and started paying, acted like a father for a period of time, years, usually, and then got stuck. That's terrible but those guys almost always had NOT contested paternity immediately.

And saying "more often than not" do non-fathers have to pay child support is absolutely wrong, incorrect and misleading. Yes, if the father is an idiot, fails to contest paternity and takes the woman's word for it, only then, yes, may he be made to pay.

Here's a good article on the subject:

http://family-law.freeadvice.com/family-law/child_support/Child-Support-for-a-Child-That-Is-Not-Mine.htm Child by Consent

Laws favor someone being named the father because they do not want a child going through life fatherless. The equitable doctrine of estoppel applies to persons who have for all practical purposes consented to being dad, regardless of paternity. The basic theory is that since you acted like a parent and permitted the child to believe you were their father, the child now has a right to rely on your representation that you are their father. The reasoning is that the child should not be penalized by your later withdrawal of consent to be their dad. Once a court makes that determination, you are on the hook for future support obligations.

Every state approaches parental presumptions slightly different. The bottom line, however, is that the longer you wait to challenge paternity, the harder it will be to overturn the finding of paternity. Courts consistently hold presumed fathers to strict timelines. If you have been ordered to pay child support for a child that you know or suspect is not your own, seek legal advice from a qualified family law attorney in your state as soon as possible to learn about the options and timelines applicable to your situation.

Read more: http://family-law.freeadvice.com/family-law/child_support/Child-Support-for-a-Child-That-Is-Not-Mine.htm#ixzz4d0WqY9ys

[–]spinningmagnets5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she doesn't have a copy of the tape, where's the evidence she was illegally taped?

I agree everyone should investigate the legality before attempting a secret taping, and proceed accordingly...

[–]Keep_Scrolling1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How is that a law.

What the fuck, america?

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Legislator gets secretly taped taking a bribe. He says, wtf, and passes a law making it illegal to do that.

[–]wrong_assumption-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

If I understand correctly, it's only illegal to use the recording in a court of law as proof of something. But best to ask a lawyer.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, in many states its illegal to DO it not just use it. Illegal as in a crime, go to jail. The reason this law was passed in Illinois, for example, was some state legislators were secretly taped by a constituent accepting a bribe and they wanted to make sure that couldn't happen again.

[–]Shaeger-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

It isn't illegal to record a voluntary conversation between two people in any state. If you take part in a conversation you assume the risk. For the conversation to become evidence the person must not have had a reasonable expectation of privacy, and that definition is different in every state, but is usually very minimal. Think about confidential informants. Those recordings always get in. It's a little more difficult on civil court but not significantly so.

[–]twy3440[🍰] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

You are incorrect. It can be criminal in many states to record someone without their consent.

Below, for example, is a typical law, Michigan, where you can get two years for doing it; 5 years for disseminating it. I sure hope you aren't an attorney...

Michigan’s statutory law is codified at MCL 750.539c et seq. If you’d like to know where to find your state’s law, just ask below.

MCL 750.539c provides for a 2-year felony / $2,000.00 fine for willfully recording a conversation without each party’s consent. Under 750.539d, it is also a crime to video record or photograph a person in a “private place”, without the person’s consent. A private place is one in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy and as such, a place to which the public also has access is not a private place. Accordingly, dissemination of prohibited recordings is also a violation of law with a 5-year felony / $5,000.00 as punishment.

[–]Shaeger0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You aren't quoting the law correctly. 750.539(c) "Any person who is present or who is not present during a private conversation and who wilfully uses any device to eavesdrop upon the conversation without the consent of all parties thereto...." "Eavesdrop" being both the most important word for purposes of this conversation and the word you likely ignored in your failed attempt to seem intelligent or properly analyze a statute. 750.539(a)(2) defines "eavesdrop" as to overhear, record, amplify or transmit any part of the private discourse of others without the permission of all persons...." The word "others" means you aren't a participant in the conversation. Don't believe me? Here's the statutory interpretation that follows the statute:

“We believe the statutory language, on its face, unambiguously excludes participant recording from the definition of eavesdropping by limiting the subject conversation to ‘the private discourse of others’. The statute contemplates that a potential eavesdropper must be a third party not otherwise involved in the conversation being eavesdropped on. Had the Legislature desired to include participants within the definition, the phrase “of others” might have been excluded or changed to ‘of others or with others’.” (Emphasis added).

I really hope you aren't lawyer also. Or college graduate. Or one who was taught to read something in its entirety before passing it along.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not a MI attorney but in other states the law is as I stated: two party consent is required. Illinois for one. i stand corrected, tho. Thanks. But two party consent is required in many states.

Eleven states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.

Recording Phone Calls and Conversations | Digital Media Law Project www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations F

As you correctly point out, Michigan is NOT one of them.

I'm still waiting for you to admit you were wrong where you said it's legal in "any state."

[–]HeinousFu_kery points points [recovered] | Copy

It pays to read the individual state's rules. In Illinois, you can tape anything you want if you believe there is a violation of the law occurring (in this case it could be attempted fraud or extortion - not going to wrangle the legal what ifs here) and have 24 hours to destroy it or turn it over to law enforcement.

Of course there are free encrypted Email systems that are offshore that would be immune from subpoena, but that'd be a real bare knuckles fight in court better to be avoided.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

No, no no, that is so wrong. It is illegal in Illinois.

However, conversations in which someone has a "reasonable expectation" of privacy still require all-party consent and cannot be "surreptitiously" recorded. See 720 ILCS 5/14-1(d) (defining "private conversation"); 720 ILCS 5/14-2(a) (setting out the elements of an eavesdropping offense).

[–]HeinousFu_kery0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You are correct (I should have looked at this in the last couple of decades). Deleted.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's really bad in Illinois. Often reporters routinely tape interviews just to have an accurate version. It was illegal; then the appellate court ruled that one party consent was sufficient.

Then the legislature changed the law again to say, no, we mean all party consent is required. That law was thrown out by the courts when applied to taping police officers so the legislature immediately passed another law criminalizing it with an exception for taping cops in public.

I think it should NOT be illegal, especially today where everyone has a camera phone.

[–]HeinousFu_kery0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

then the appellate court ruled that one party consent was sufficient.

This is sort of where I remember it in the context of getting my ex to back down on some of her shenanigans (and the comment I posted) - and I'm not in the legal field. FWIW I still record a lot of meetings/calls to get the conversation correct for my own notes - it's a big help - but never transcribe anything personal or keep the recording. Probably illegal but desperately necessary if you get a technical call while driving and need to have a record of arcane details.

As far as the police & government officials go..well, it's Illinois. Southern ethics and northern charm.

[–]xXx420VTECxXx1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you have a link to that watch. That sounds very interesting

[–]ITS_JUST_2015_BRO1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I use this one. Im in the UK.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/XINSTAR-Recorder-Rechargeable-Conversations-Christmas/dp/B01L6HF40G

Pros:

  • Looks just like a fitness tracker thing.
  • I cant see where the microphone is - I dont actually know where it is.
  • No way to tell its recording. No red flashing light or anything.
  • Great recording quality. As good as human ear really
  • Slightly complicated to use - good thing because I dont want somebody playing with it to start playing recordings.
  • The ONLY way to get it to play recordings is to hold down a button WHILE headphones are plugged in. Thats hard to figure out.
  • It doesnt look tacky at all. It looks MUCH better than that amazon picture. Look at the pictures in the reviews. And its cheap.
  • Connects to computer like any USB. And 8gb is tonnes of memory for recording stuff. It also has the option to only record when it hears voices. Throw it under your girlfriends bed and pick it up in a week! (disclaimer: im kidding)
  • I can chat up girls in traffic jams now as I can record their number - couldnt type it in my phone before.

Cons: * Takes about 3 seconds after switching on to start recording, and might be slightly noticeable as it lights up. * Only can actually view the current time WHILE its recording! So its not the best watch. * I thought it could be a good MP3 player for the gym but its too tricky to use the controls and attaching MP3 to arm is bad idea. I just use bluetooth headphones for my mobile phone.

[–]e4tshit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol, yep. I have a anti false rape folder. It's dash-cam footage and audio recordings with my phone I keep in case cops show up. I got one recording I listen to once a week because it's comedy. I was fucking a tinder date doggy style and she told me to start spanking her but I mis-timed the slap and my thrust rhythm so the slap on the ass was extremely weak and she looks back and me and says "dude..come on!"

[–]Oz70NYC25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy

Dude...the man who actually pulls such a thing off would ascend to red pill godhood.

[–]SiulaGrande28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

a lot of anger phase people would get a rise out of it, because it would be justice porn, but honestly TRP isn't about revenge, it's about taking control of your life and getting the most out of it. focusing on revenge will slow you down and prevent you from making progress.

[–]Insydeinformation points points [recovered] | Copy

Shut up with all this yoda shit.. so tired of you moralist fight club nerds.

Aint nothing wrong with a guility pleasure.

[–]2wiseclockcounter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A highly educational one at that.

[–]whythecynic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're looking for Neil Broadbent's "The best dumping video of a cheating girl you will ever see" on Youtube.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (2 children) | Copy

She pulls an extremely 'adult' move by trying to cuck you and ruin your life. Then, when it doesn't go her way, she turns on the waterworks and acts like a child to assume innocence. What a fucking parasite.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women pull this shit all the time. Doesn't even have to be real. I remember I dated this girl when I was younger, her level of crazy was over 9000. Apparently I was her rebound after fucking some other dude. That didn't work out so all of a sudden she had met me and it was 'destiny'. For 3 months I plated her because she was an obvious PJ5. She kept droning on about how much she liked me.

Finally the sliver of blue inside me yielded and I told her that I did start to like her, asking how she felt about us continuing to date. She made an instant 180 and went cold on me for about 2 weeks. Only later did I realize that she knew I was a lockdown at that point and she went back to this guy for one last attempt. I figured it was a lost cause and I had this old flame hit me up on facebook. This girl returns to me because shocker, the guy didn't work out- again. I told her I started dating the girl I told her about when we initially met. The old flame that didn't work out at first. This must have sounded pretty ironic given that she had left me hanging for hers. She blew up at me and claimed she hadn't been on her period yet and that she might be pregnant of me. I knew she was fucking with me right away but still. This just shows that this is the last trump card women have to play.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women are expert actors, still I bet there was a flash of confusion, before the water works.

[–]Yankee_Fever10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good thing trp will teach you that they are actually terrible actors

[–]afkb39sdfb13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

terrible predictable actors

[–]1htbf57 points58 points  (2 children) | Copy

But the realization that she really tried to fuck you over is WILDLY sobering.

And the realization that AWALT is wildly depressing. But hey, women are for fucking.

[–]analyticaltoafault12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're on the right path. It's only depressing because of unrealistic expectations. One might say it's still depressing we can't expect better of them, but that's an issue with accepting reality.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's because society is breaking down or mutating at the least. Someone once said that civilization is written on the Y chromosome. If there are no men who enforce societies rules then we will revert back to an orgy of cavemen. If it were up to women this would happen. Only then they'd start whining about the lack of air conditioning and running water.

Women are for fucking but they can be made to be much more. Right now we are observing women going caveman mentality when it comes to the sexual marketplace and the government has deteriorated to such a level that they are backing them up.

I sure hope they automate everything within 50 years because allot of men are going to opt out of society. Even alpha guys will just pick professions that solely benefit them.

[–][deleted] 224 points225 points  (13 children) | Copy

Lesson taken.

"it's yours"

Always reply: "I had a vasectomy"

If that's really yours, she would looked puzzled, if not, you just dodged a bullet.

Successful win is successful

[–]dvrzero points points [recovered] | Copy

Someone scan their vasectomy papers and put them on gdocs. It won't hold up in court but it would help get a trickle truth out if the situation came up and you had to be absolutely sure of paternity or whatever.

[–]moneybags3325 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy

Holy fuck you are a genius! Both of you! Edit- Well........if she ends up being clean then you are in for a guilt trip for the rest of your entire life.

[–]g0dfather9320 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Pass it off as a joke. I'd rather occasionally eat shit about a joke, and spend thousands trying to appease her (and come on, you're gonna be a dad, so a celebration is due anyway) than spend my life raising the kid of rad Chad and my unfaithful SO.

[–]whydoievenreply7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, you just pass it off as the vasectomy failing, it happens. Foolproof.

[–]SiulaGrande25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

WOW dude this is genius, I'm 100% doing this if I'm ever in this type of situation (knock on wood I won't be, but be prepared...).

[–]leredditaccount9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Except if your SO isn't cheating on you (which she will be, i mean come on she's a woman), it would make for a very awkward pregnancy announcement.

[–]g0dfather9313 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know what. I am going to fucking do this. Forever and ever. Even if I have a wife.

If it's mine I'll just pass it off as a joke. A really bad one, but it's a one-time joke against lifetime of cuckery. Excuse me if I don't want to do anything with changing diapers of the seed of another dude you fucked because you couldn't keep your pants closed.

[–]twy3440[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought of that too. Either way, you MUST get a paternity test. I mean, c'mon. Would you take someone's word for the condition of a house you were buying that was going to cost $200,000? Or would you have it inspected?

[–]missinglastlette3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or maybe get a paternity test?

[–]nombre1121 points122 points  (11 children) | Copy

Original Story:

Vasectomy: $400. Speechless look on her face: priceless.

I'll try to sum up a funny story that happened a few years ago:

I got a vasectomy.

I met a girl soon afterwards. She was nice and attractive but with a selfish streak that raised a big red flag. She was 32 at the time and I could practically HEAR her biological clock ticking. Regardless, she was a good lay, easy on the eyes, and reasonably good company.

I did NOT tell her about my vasectomy and I always used a condom with her to protect against STDs. She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.

We date for a few months. I never made any move towards commitment but she brought it up ocassionally. For me, this was a casual but pleasant relationship. For her - as I was to find out - it was part of life-changing series of events that she was planning very carefully.

Four months into dating, I get the "I'm pregnant" talk. She's going on and on about how the condom must have broke and now we really need to think about getting married "for the baby". She's positively giddy. She has a baby in her and she thinks she's gonna have a good meal ticket (me) to go along with her new 7lb annuity.

At this point, I'm just as giddy. I get to pull the reverse "oops" on her. I figured that she slept with some bad boy and got knocked up. Good thing I was using condoms! Better still that I have a serious mistrust of women who can't think beyond their own uteri.

So I wait a couple of days to "think about all this." I meet her again. I say I don't want kids and that she should have an abortion. I know where this is going and sure enough it goes there. She goes completely batshit insane on me. There were the usual insults about my manhood. There were threats of legal action. It was all very ugly and I was loving every minute of it.

Well, I let her stew for a few days. She leaves me nasty messages on my phone. She sends awful emails. I'm laughing hysterically.

It was time to drop the hammer. While she was stewing I was busy. First I get a notarized copy from the urologist who performed the vasectomy. Next I get a notarized copy of the TWO test results indicating a "negative test result for sperm" to show I'm sterile and shooting blanks. Finally, I get a letter from a shark attorney stating he has seen the other documents and is prepared to litigate against this woman if she continues to communicate with me in such an unpleasant manner. Also, the letter states that we will insist on DNA testing to show that the baby is not mine. I'm ready.

I meet with this woman at her place. I bring flowers and a small bit of jewelry to show I am willing to reconcile and assume my responsibilities as a new father. I also have stuck in my pocket the documents I have prepared.

She's all giddy again. Her plan is going perfectly - or so she thinks. We talk about our future. We have some pretty good sex. Then, as I am about to walk out the door, I ask her the $64,000 question. "Are you sure that this baby is mine?"

Well, she goes batshit insane again. Hell, she ought to. Her plan could completely unravel if there is ANY question about my paternity. Oh, she's really screaming now. How dare I question her morals. Do I think she's a slut. I'm just trying to weasel out of my responsibilities... blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm not really mad. I'm kind of embarrassed for her. But since she won't shut up and the neighbors can hear all of this, I ask her to step back inside and sit down. She sits on the sofa and calms down a bit. She is glaring at me with all the moral self-righteousness that only a woman can muster up. She thinks she has me trapped. She is 100% convinced her plan has worked. Oh, the tangled web of lies and deceit she has wrought around herself and I am about to hack through them with a few pieces of paper.

I reach into my pocket slowly. I extract the three pieces of paper and unfold them slowly and deliberately.

I tell her simply, "You're screwed".

Her look doesn't change. There is no way she can fathom what I have prepared.

I continue. "I am sterile"

Her look changes just a bit. Something is beginning to sink in. Naturally, she reverts to women's logic. "You're full of shit. You're trapped and you know it."

I hold up the letter and the test results. "Three months before we met, I had a vasectomy. Here is a notarized letter from him stating what I had done. Here are two test results showing that I tested negative for the presence of sperm. Blanks. I am shooting blanks. That baby inside you is simply not mine."

This woman is not to be swayed by logic and clear documentation. "Bullshit, those are fakes."

I was ready for that. "No, they are real. This last piece of paper is from my attorney. It's a simple letter to you that states if you pursue any kind of legal action against me for child support that I will insist on a DNA test to prove paternity, that is, to prove that your baby is not mine."

I give the woman all the documents. She reads them slowly, deliberately. With each passing second she can feel in her soul that she has made a very bad mistake. With denial swept away, she started to cry. It's a small cry at first. Then it becomes deeper and more painful. By the time she gets to the letter from the lawyer she is sobbing.

I had no sympathy for her. I turned and walked out the door. Even after I closed the door I could still hear her sobbing.

Epilogue -

I never heard directly from this woman again. I did hear through my friends that she did indeed have the baby. I also heard that the real father was some guy in a band she had met. I assumed that after 30, women stopped going after musicians, bikers, criminals, and thugs. Silly me for thinking the best of American women.

The Moral of the Story -

Get a vasectomy but keep it a secret.

[–]darkmoon0931 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was an extremely satisfying read. Thanks for that and good on you for handling it exactly how it should be handled.

[–]d0lphinsex20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is TRP porn man. It should be its own post!

[–]Cesare_MA points points [recovered] | Copy

It is its own post, one of the top of all time. Yet I can never help myself from reading it each time I see it.

[–]1EarthExile2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's like the Predator of man-justice. I've seen it a hundred times, but if it's on, I'll watch it. Never gets old.

[–]Ganaria_Gente0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn imma have to search the top tab on this subs history. This is good stuff

[–]Aaronindhouse6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Make this a short film or a music video

[–]smirk_addict2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What were some of the red flags? It's crazy that a woman could spend all the time with you and still be planning something like that.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Generally none, every woman will pull this crap and all you can do to combat this is to be a darn psychopath. That or have the ablity to beat her into a pulp. Sadly this last resort is taken away from men in 1st world countries. So basically women have free game.

[–]maantrade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If I ever have such drama in my life, ill be pinging you for advice. That you for your post, and in advance too :)

[–]skyjacked52 points53 points  (9 children) | Copy

DNA tests are incredibly accurate and pretty damn cheap. I honestly don't understand why they're not standard procedure when a child is born. Swab baby, swab daddy, mom and dad get a record of it and confirmation of the results. Paternity proven, no need for it down the road in the event of child support or custody battles. And dad gets to peace out if the test (and probably a retest in the event results are not as expected even though the results are, like i said, incredibly accurate) shows he isn't the father of the child.

[–]Subtletorious55 points56 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because mandatory testing disadvantages women (exposes cheating) and the government (welfare payments).

[–]randarrow1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

There's a certain number of chimera where the DNA of the blood doesn't match the DNA of the reproductive organs. At that point you are actually your kids uncle rather than their father.... All sorts of weird stuff when you take into account the larger population.

[–]waldo8887 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nope. That's just what she told ya brother.

[–]randarrow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's extremely rare but has happened.

These may be rare for an individual, but when talking about a large population it is common for genetic exceptions to be in that population.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That does not create a situation in which a paternity test would fail. Technically, all women are chimera due to X-chromosome inactivation.

Source: I am a geneticist

[–]1EarthExile0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You'd still obviously not be the father, if your DNA isn't in the baby at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have no idea what this guy is trying to say, it has no basis in biology.

[–]maantrade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm amazed that this could be constructed as rocket science. 23andme, cause lineage is fascinating folks! (It really is, but has nice secondary benefits of confirmation.)

[–]goldnhorde44 points45 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's so crazy psychotic to know that her tears were a mixture of:

  1. regret that her ploy did not work in the fashion she had mapped out in her head

and

  1. a distraction while she tried to think of any other angle

that is so crazy .... I mean if there was ever a time to come clean and be honest with someone .... compared to what she did .... which is NOT an exception but rather considered pretty reasonable by women and done with regularity ...

[–]theONE8436631 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We need to eliminate any semblance of the female species from this planet and instead manufacture our own babies. Every man has to be gay or asexual by force.

[–]BigSloppySunshine42 points43 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hey that's similar to a situation I had. When I was younger I had a woman living with me for a year or so while we were dating. Lots of sex but usually protected.

Being the beta loser I was, I put up with some egregious shit for a long time before I finally broke up with her, then kicked her out.

Then she comes back a couple months later saying she's pregnant and it's mine. I was ecstatic at first since I always wanted kids (not with her though cause she was a crazy bitch) but then a thought popped into my head. We'd used condoms. Pretty much exclusively except for anal.

So I said, "we used condoms, that's just not possible..." and she started crying and said she had been fucking a guy from work since I kicked her out (probably before then) and my heart dropped as I realized it wasn't my kid. Then my sadness turned to anger as I realized what she had just tried to do.

She knew I'd wanted kids some day and used that against me. Later on she changed her story and denied having had sex with anyone else and said cum must have leaked out of her ass into her pussy or something. (seriously)

But I knew better. This was before sjws were a thing, but she was one of the pioneers.

She had the kid but still refuses to get a DNA test, at the same time claiming the child is mine. It makes me very angry, she moved across the country too.

But at least I wasn't cucked into raising another man's child.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pro tip- always break up when you know they are on their period! Not 100%, but good odds they aren't pregnant

[–]1theoctopuss109 points110 points  (24 children) | Copy

Believe it or not, her emotions were certainly genuine. The very, very large majority of women have absolutely no control over their emotions. She wanted to have her cake and eat it.

Her entire plan was hinging on dude bro being her little cuckold. She probably spent all of 30 seconds thinking about all of the guys she banged in the last 3 months and decided he was the best option. I imagine that it took her no more than 5 seconds to process what the word "vasectomy" meant. It meant she was fucked and she knew it. Cue water works.

Dude Bro was naturally alpha and already had a vasectomy. Guy obviously has his shit straight. You can tell by the way he describes her that she wasn't meant to be more than a notch on his belt. He admits that he would have believed her without the vasectomy, but that doesn't matter. The vasectomy happened for some reason, most likely not a beta one.

In my mind, it's a little bit of flattery. This dumb whore thought she was smarter than she really is (as most do) and made the assumption that she could get away with this idiotic plan. Lets say she banged one dude every 2 weeks, not necessarily exclusively. There's maybe 8 guys total. She thought OP had his shit together more so than the rest of the Chads. I would take it as a compliment as I kicked her out of my house and hard nexted her.

[–]yummyluckycharms76 points77 points  (16 children) | Copy

She probably spent all of 30 seconds thinking about all of the guys she banged in the last 3 months and decided he was the best option

Not far from the truth. Was on the streetcar coming back from a business meeting, there was a girl in the seat in front of me talking to her bff on the cell phone going through the list of her fuckbois. It was so clinical - could've been like talking about groceries. The real irony was that she was going to have the talk with her boyfriend as to whether or not he was going to marry her. Poor sap had no idea that his gf had a list of a dozen or so current lovers. I dont think I've seen a town with as many cucks as Toronto.

[–]1empatheticapathetic37 points38 points  (7 children) | Copy

Damn. I need to stop getting surprised by shit like this and just assume it's the baseline. Fuck. If I was the boyfriend in that scenario i assume I would be able to tell she's a whore simply from her behaviour/demeanour/what she expects from me, but I don't know this until im in the situation.

[–]BonelessSkinless27 points28 points  (5 children) | Copy

Fun tip. You can't tell. I recently reconnected with one of my old friends from high school. She had a new boyfriend was going to be proposed to and all that, things seemed great. Then she starts talking to me. This guy has no idea, she's fucking his 60 Year old manager behind his back and literally letting her emotions dictate everything. She's insane. She's really sexy too so it's even more fucked. The guy she's cucking is complete beta. Physically he's alpha but he has the traits of a beta. I'm planning on fucking his whore of a girlfriend and letting him know she's a whore when I'm done. It's sad, I already have so much evidence against her just in the past month alone we've been talking it's unreal. Guess where we are too? Yep good old Toronto. The cuckery is REAL up here. I don't even trust women up here anymore, it's fucked. Everyone cheats on everyone, no one is happy in their relationships but seemingly can't stand to be in one and not be fucking others behind their back. It's fucking insane. Either be the one doing the fucking or sit back and get cucked while your hot gf gets fucked.

[–]thebluepool21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ha, Canada has become a joke man. Their prime minister is pretty much the poster boy for beta males in the western world. They're main claim to fame in popular media is being apologetic for fucks sake.

Hell, the Chinese are actively taking advantage of their housing market as a place to dump cash as an easy investment and the government can't even slow them down.

[–]BonelessSkinless9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's a high ratio of aloof women that can just select what they want since they're bombarded so much by different guys daily. Soooo many cheat it's unreal. It's like a drug for them to cuck guys.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is a drug you idiot. That's how they feed their egocentric narcissism. By fucking over other mens emotions they rationalize their own hurt and pain from the rejection of Chads. This is what happens when you let women just freely date around willy nilly.

They can't get a quality partner because they aren't quality themselves. So instead they get a dumb ass boyfriend and cheat on him with some guy. And then tell themselves they are so great because they are playing both guys. They are cucking the boyfriend and "pump/dumping" the Chad so he can't.

And because our society doesn't mock women in any shape or form (even fat women are celebrated as pretty) these women never get the mirror put infront of them. That's why I made it my shitlordish life's mission to remind as many cunts about how much they suck.

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn. Well the instructions are clear. Cheers

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This tho. You can't tell and never will. Yes you will know if a girl sucks at hiding red flags. But women can be clever to and some hide it very well. It's even worse that this guy is getting cucked by some 60 year old dude. You literally can't be like him until you are 60 years old yourself. This is the kind of fucked up shit that makes men powerless.

[–]SgtBuchanon7414 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thats actually a staple of TRP. Assume every snatch is smoking at least 10 meat cigars

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Toronto man here. Non-cucks are VERY rare.

[–]djcban1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol whats that about Toronto?

[–]yummyluckycharms0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Could be something in the water - but its got more to do with the fact that toronto women have this hate on for men. Not too hard to imagine considering that the govt tells them that only men are rapists (no - for real), and are taught that they are superior to men.

When one lives in different country, its shocking to see just how different the relationship between the sexes is so perverted in Canada.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

That'd be like me talking about all the girlfriends I have that friendzoned me. Someone please explain why women think this is an accomplishment. I mean jesus christ she's openly talking about all the guys that are duping her in exchange for zip. Whilst openly undermining and disrespecting the only meal ticket she's got.

How is this any different from me talking about all my friendzoned girlfriends while calling the girl I'm actually fucking a fat pig.

I just insulted myself. Holy fuck why are women that dumb. I'm back reading TRP after 4 months of abstinence and I'm already triggered at the stupidity of these cunts.

[–]yummyluckycharms0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I mean jesus christ she's openly talking about all the guys that are duping her in exchange for zip. Whilst openly undermining and disrespecting the only meal ticket she's got.

She is gaining access to alpha genes though and the chance that one of them will fuck up and get her preggo, and secondly, her boyfriend has no idea that she's sucking anyone else off. Remember - BFF stands for Best Female Friend - and its highly unlikely that the BFF is going to tell beta bob about what her friend is doing.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

She might have acces to alpha genes but she will have a beta caregiver. Despite TRP's popular belief it's not beneficial for children to be raised by a blue pill father. You'd be better off having a narcissistic/psychopathic dad than having blue pill Billy teaching you the ropes.

Also apart from some genetic flukes most 'alpha genes' girls profess to tap are just plainly average or have one outstanding point. Im sure the guy ain't some fat balding manlet uggo but the idea that every girl has the chance to get banged by Superman is ridiculé.

The AF/BB strategy is a compromise and not a victory. Ideally women want long term acces to alphas. Whenever I hear a girl badmouth her "little boyfriend" and praise some dudebro that jizzes in her mouth it just validates my low opinion of her. For she's always a plain jane with an average body, low IQ, asymmetrical face and beta/disordered personality. That's why her boyfriend is weak and her Chad is aloof.

Female reproductive succes isn't measured by short term sex but rather by long term commitment. The more long term she can keep men around her, the higher quality her offspring and the higher the odds are it survives and thrives. Any whore woman (even with alpha genes) will just breed the most mentally weak sons that just die off or get growth stunted.

Being a beta male removes you from the genepool. Being a beta woman removes you from the genepool retroactively.

[–]yummyluckycharms0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Despite TRP's popular belief it's not beneficial for children to be raised by a blue pill father. You'd be better off having a narcissistic/psychopathic dad than having blue pill Billy teaching you the ropes.

In a gynocentric society, women do prefer beta bucks to raise their children. Not only would he be less likely to leave them and will be subservient, but he will raise the kids to be subservient as well and to not cause problems for her later on.

Also apart from some genetic flukes most 'alpha genes' girls profess to tap are just plainly average or have one outstanding point.....the idea that every girl has the chance to get banged by Superman is ridiculé.

Actually, its scientifically proven both with humans and other primates, that the 80/20 rule isnt far off. A study of STD infection patterns found that many of the girls behaviour in the high school studied were similar to the pareto principle. Corporate life, online dating studies, and business networking patterns all show evidence that the principle continues well after school life - which is why TRP continually stresses the importance of being in that top 20%. one jump away from the alpha males that were spreading it

Female reproductive succes isn't measured by short term sex but rather by long term commitment

Actually, sexologists note that women follow a dualistic mating strategy - they seek both stable providers and men with superior genes. In an ideal world, these traits would be found in one male, but since this is rare, they explore both possibilities simultaneously. As only both strategies provide the optimum offspring - its not beneficial to have weak genes be passed on in a safe environment nor do you want great genes to be snuffed out too early because of lack of financial support.

Note that with the evolution of modern social security nets and divorce laws, hypergamy is encouraged not discouraged anymore as it removes many of the negative consequences of a mate leaving you.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

but he will raise the kids to be subservient as well and to not cause problems for her later on.

How is that beneficial to the continuation of her genes? This is beta women game for wenches that have low SMV and can't keep a white alpha man. Look at coalburners for example. You can't spin this in any way where it's not a bad choice on her part following natural law. This is why competitieve K-selective societies in the past followed a strict rearing tradition. Women are children and if you let them dictate their reproductive decisions they will turn out to be complete degenerates. And she will breed men who will be degenerates to (beta, blue pill). Civilization is mapped on the Y chromosome.

which is why TRP continually stresses the importance of being in that top 20%. one jump away from the alpha males that were spreading it

Yes but that's the 80%, if you are in the 20% then you will notice that the genetic difference between most men isn't that outstanding anymore. Like I said, forgo the fact that you are balding, manlet, fat, skinny, ugly or mentally retarded and you will find that there's very little distinction between the men in the top 20% (I'd dare state it even goes further in the top 40%). I'm talking about genetic make-up overcourse, power and wealth wise the difference is immense. And yes women love power, but the average 'Chad' that plates some guys girlfriend is just that, a normal non billionaire dude.

In an ideal world, these traits would be found in one male, but since this is rare.

No it's not. Most guys out there with superior genes aren't heartless psychopaths who can't feel anything for a girl. They will commit and do so all the time if she's worth it. It's just that most girls who allow themselves to be pumped and dumped obviously aren't.

As only both strategies provide the optimum offspring - its not beneficial to have weak genes be passed on in a safe environment nor do you want great genes to be snuffed out too early because of lack of financial support.

If that were the optimal strategy we wouldn't have the single mom epidermic or have some beta cuck raise Chads kids and teaching them all his weak hippy habbits. Also most women aren't even that bright, they ride the carousel al safe with the occasional abortion and by the time it gets around to child rearing they just procreate with the Beta. Women aren't somehow instinctively efficient at being optimal in their sexual reproduction urges. They are just as clueless as some men.

Let me put it like this

  • Alpha genes, Alpha provider > Alpha genes, Beta Provider > Beta genes, Beta Provider > Alpha genes, no Provider > Beta genes, no Provider

This is cold harsh ruthless natural law.

Note that with the evolution of modern social security nets and divorce laws, hypergamy is encouraged not discouraged anymore as it removes many of the negative consequences of a mate leaving you.

Partially, I only disagree with you on all the nuances. As for example there is nothing good about a child growing up without his/her father. Modern social security might support women in the essentials and for their egocentric urges. But their off-spring will be lesser for it still, compared to a woman who was of high enough value to lock down an Alpha male for the formative years of their children.

Think about the different races. It's obvious black people for example follow and R-selected strategy where they follow the basic rules you just laid out. Whilst white people are K-selected and put lots of emphasis on family and small communities, hence the empathy gene is beneficial to us. And look at which race came out on top.

A strong nuclear family will always beat and outcompete some degenerate 'muh dick' (Alpha Fucks) and 'gibs me dat' (Beta Bucks) mentality.

[–]2niczar5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

More likely she convinced herself that it was him because that's what she wanted to believe.

(Assuming this story is true ...)

[–]visvavasu20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Truth about emotions being genuine

[–]Child_downloader-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus dude just come out of the closet already you sound like you're dying to suck OP off.

[–]TryhardPantiesON94 points95 points  (6 children) | Copy

"Honey i got a vasectomy long time ago, so that child isn't mine, now the door is over there, you can leave with what's left of your dignity"

[–]10334292 points93 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women in general don't really have a sense of dignity like men have.

For her, this was probably just an inconvenience, because she was gonna have to find another guy to raise her kid.

But dignity and integrity aren't really a problem for them as it is for men.

[–]Ivabighairy146 points47 points  (1 child) | Copy

BINGO!!! Her actions are like a "door to door" salesperson. Try to sell that vacuum or brush set and they shut the door in your face. Shrug your shoulders and go to the next one knowing that someone is going to buy it.

[–]recon_johnny18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

I talked with a friend in sales...asked how he dealt with the constant selling/rejection. He said no big deal, just change your perspective.

You make an offer, if it doesn't work out, just move on to the next one. No reason to be upset. Just move on to the next one.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dignity comes from the acknowledgement of your burden of performance. Women don't have a burden of performance and thus no need for dignity. Being helpless and weak is feminine.

[–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are like hurricanes. The come in warm, wet and wild. When they leave, you realize they took your house and your car.

[–]Jarodfucks23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

i know this is RP and i shouldnt be referencing pop culture cause its just the writers reality. But black mirror s. 1 e. 3 burned the fear of being an actual cuck into my soul. When feminists make claims that being a cuck isnt an insult, i just think of that episode and know theyre full of shit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

that episode is spot on and pretty much gave me PTSD the few times I watched it.

[–]Megacorpinc points points [recovered] | Copy

Also make sure your vasectomy worked cuz they have failed in the past

[–]Sloshyboy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know if it's standard procedure but I had to give two samples a few months apart after mine to confirm it was all good.

Zero little swimmers confirmed.

[–]Wollingwight16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wish I could up-vote this twice. Protect yourself, don't become a walking ATM

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Years ago I had a girl pull a similar stunt, except I'm not fixed.

"Ok, well after the paternity test I guess we will have to work something out?"

"Paternity test?"

"Well duh, of course I'll need a test before I pay money. I'm not stupid"

Never heard from her again

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (1 child) | Copy

Now why did you have to ruin a good cucking? A girl used to be able to pick the daddy she wants for seed and the daddy she wants for resources.

Then this Hate Group called TRP comes along and clucks a bunch of noise that men arent slaves and providers!!!!

Come on people...there are babies that need to be MADE and RAISED and you shitlords think you get to have some say in the matter????

[–]DancingC0w7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

B-but muh freedom of choice!

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

This week a coworker of mine learned that he's probably the biological father of an 8 year old little girl. Under my recommendation he's talking to a lawyer about the situation, and working out the details on how he can best protect himself from any of the obvious concerns...

Forgetting the coworker for a moment, let's consider the other guy. He's on the birth certificate, and was raising the child as his own for 8 years, and he still hasn't been informed that the mother doesn't believe he's the biological father.

This situation happens more than you think. Be mindful out there guys.

[–]Cozc31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy

I want to get a vasectomy just so I have a chance of this happening to me some day.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Male vasectomies can be reversed, right?

[–]Cozc2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think so but I also seem to recall that there is a pretty decent chance that it wont be able to be reversed.

[–]Lolidc-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Possible. So I've heard. But I think you'd be better off saving some sperm at a spermbank. Or adopting a kid if that's what you really want down the line. I doubt it has a high success rate lol but who knows I didn't google it.

[–]Millixaw10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

What have we learned here?

  • OP, you were cucked. Better get your ass to the gym, because that Chad at her work has nicer guns than you.

  • OP, keep it wrapped. You basically admitted to barebacking. Even with the vasectomy, a girl like that who gets around probably has herpes and other undesirables.

[–]nicetimeisback points points [recovered] | Copy

years ago i was in a SE asian country, and my embassy told me that if i made a girl pregnant and wanted to bring her in my own country, a DNA test was Required as per Law (no DNA test, no Visa issued to the girl).

[–]wrong_assumption3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

What? an US Embassy said this?

[–]TriggeringEveryone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course not. White countries are for everyone.

[–]anteomniasustinete10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

About 30 years ago I was single and living in an apartment complex. I was friends with the married couple that lived on the floor beneath mine. We were all of about the same age. The wife wanted to set me up for a date with a friend of hers. This girl was pretty and sweet. I knew her as an acquaintance. The wife approached me and asked if I was interested in dating her as she said that the girl was interested in me. I agreed and asked her out for a date. When the wife's husband heard about this he came running up to my room and told me that this girl had just found out that she was pregnant two days previously. Needless to say, I was very appreciative. And that date never happened.

[–]AchillesHeel771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was she actually pregnant though? And did the wife know?

[–]ideaash18 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

How can this not be criminal? If a person tries to con another a big portion of life savings / future earnings he or she will go to jail. why is this any different?

[–]Op2mus7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just another example of why a DNA test is a must if you have a child.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

And this, dear sirs, is why it was legal (and in some parts still is) to kill your partner if you catch her in the act.

[–]TuckingCucks points points [recovered] | Copy

it's funny to me that a guy can get so outraged that his plate is plating him.

[–][deleted] 116 points117 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'd be more mad about the matter of fact "it's yours" than a girl I wasn't exclusive with sleeping with someone else. That's an incredibly serious statement and she makes it knowing full well it could be a number of other guys'.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator41 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy

She tells all of them "it's yours," then improvises based off of their reactions.

[–]trpiece6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Like how we swipe right and shotgun messages.

[–]2awalt_cupcake23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

but we're not trying to ruin someone's life. we just want to fuck and have fun. who doesn't like to fuck? women love fucking.

[–]thebluepool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus Christ, if you can't see the difference then you're farther down the rabbit hole than you even realise.

[–]JihadDerp29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's one thing to be a plate. It's another to be on the hook for 18 years of monetary support, illegitimately.

[–]RubyOrchid1322 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's more the whole, trying to have him believe a child is his when it isn't, that is what caused issue. Not the fact she was fucking other guys. Yes you should assume your plates are fucking other guys. You aren't committed to them, so it goes without saying.

[–]LarsAvatar21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah, good story, but I don't get why he's "furious". We can't control other people's behavior. If we don't like their behavior, then just calmly leave. If you're ever going to have kids, be sure to put a paternity test into the pre-nup.

[–]RyanMAGA4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

be sure to put a paternity test into the pre-nup.

pre-nups have no legal power when it comes to issues relating to children.

[–]1RXRob2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I get pretty furious when somebody tries to scam me, be it 18 years of child support or car insurance fraud.

[–]throwawaydefriended21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't think he cares that she was sleeping around, probably just said that to elicit a reaction.

What he probably does care about is probably the fact that she perceived him as someone cuck-able.

[–]TuckingCucks points points [recovered] | Copy

"Inside I'm furious because I know she's fucking some other guy"

[–]throwawaydefriended17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right. "Inside I'm furious because I know she's fucking some other guy and expecting me not to know about it and therefore insulting my intelligence and dignity and disrespecting me to my face".

I think most people don't like when they know they're being lied to, even if the lie is inconsequential.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Classic . Does no one who's ever written post about their so called plate know what a plate is?

[–]Ratatatat0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I have no idea what a plate even is, I see posts about them sometimes on this sub though. Care to enlighten me? I'm so lost haha!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Chick you are fucking that you aren't dating. She isn't your girlfriend and you have no ownership.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought this too. Did he expect one way exclusivity from a plate? I ALWAYS operate with the mindset that plates I'm hooking up with are banging other dudes. Because they are.

[–]Ercole-- points points [recovered] | Copy

It's our nature. We're polygamous. Just like women are hypergamous, we've got problems too.

[–]TuckingCucks points points [recovered] | Copy

if we're polygamous than why do people get so mad when their plates fuck other people

[–]Ercole-- points points [recovered] | Copy

We want them for ourselves.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yep, Kings and Emperors of old had a harem, but the women were only fucking that ruler, and would be put to death if caught cheating on him with another man.

That's the general dynamic in the animal kingdom as well, the alpha is typically fucking many women, but all those women are only fucking the alpha, for the most part anyway, I'm sure there's exceptions out there.

[–]twatbutters5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yep, Kings and Emperors of old had a harem

It's funny to me because historians will argue that there are not too many accounts of these harems existing, especially in societies where religious restrictions forbade it, but you can bet your ass these rulers were fucking women that they wanted to fuck. Like seriously, a guy with power over serfs won't want to fuck the brains out of a hot peasant?

An interesting case is is "droit du seigneur" where a lord in medieval Europe got to fuck a peasant before her marriage was consummated. Supposedly no records exist of this, but you have to ask yourself, who would write about their superior's dirty laundry and live to tell the tale?

[–]Ercole-- points points [recovered] | Copy

I'm no historian, but I'm pretty sure the whole harem thing was before we invented marriage and marriage was made specifically to stop it and spread the pussy around a little. It would make sense that these harems weren't that common after we civilized and wouldn't disprove hypergamy and polygamy anyway.

And the "first night" thing, especially, was probably just a story. I really doubt that they were itching to fuck barely washed peasants and mix with ignoble blood.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read about the harem of the Ottoman sultans of turkey. This wasn't so long ago. It ended when the Sultan was deposed in 1922.

[–]twatbutters2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You act like they were unable to have those dirty peasants washed before fucking them; I doubt ignoble blood mattered since any bastards sired would never have a claim to the king or lord's lands and titles.

It doesn't matter if polygamy was frowned upon post marriage conventions. If a man in power wants to sleep with multiple women, he can easily find a way. Doesn't matter if we are talking about a noble, a pope, or a president

[–]RedPillersareCucks-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on the plate. If I like her, I'll keep her for myself. If she's just a warm hole to get my dick wet in, I'll use a condom and who gives a fuck who or how many she fucks?

Usually, the latter is going to have multiple dicks- I only plate a girl I don't like if she's hot enough to plate on body/looks alone. And that means other guys are going to go for her to. Have at it; she's not mine, it's just my turn.

If I actually like a plate enough to hang with her for anything besides just sex, then it's a different story. But again- if she's the type to be a slut, develop feels at your own risk.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Have you read the OP? This is a thread about cucking, and the women trying to get innocent men to pay for another's child.

[–]1EarthExile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's really not the part that is offensive. If your fuck buddy has other fuck buddies, that's just the game. It's when they try to hijack your life with lies that it becomes unacceptable.

[–]mc_md0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's only outrageous if you're being lied to. I assume you don't promise your girlfriends exclusivity. If they don't promise it to you either, fine, no harm done, but if they lie, I have a problem with it. And lying that a child is mine when we both know it isn't is an unforgivably outrageous lie.

"Plating" as you guys describe it may not give into the desires of any girl you're dating but it isn't deceptive, as far as I understand. If it is, I think you're doing it wrong.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ah the ol' BEST OF CRAIGSLIST classic:

VASECTOMY: $400. SPEECHLESS LOOK ON HER FACE: PRICELESS.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

By the way (minor spoiler alert) the final paragraph really is right out of TRP:

I never heard directly from this woman again. I did hear through my friends that she did indeed have the baby. I also heard that the real father was some guy in a band she had met. I assumed that after 30, women stopped going after musicians, bikers, criminals, and thugs. Silly me for thinking the best of American women.

[–]sherrif_taylor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The truer moral of the story is better filtering on who a man chooses to date.

[–]the-bro7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I see this sub become more MGTOW every day

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (11 children) | Copy

In some countries, like France, DNA testing for paternity is banned, so I heard. So technically you getting a vasectomy is probably no excuse either.

All the judge will determine who the "best father" for the child will be.

[–]jupc27 points28 points  (5 children) | Copy

Paternity testing in France is not banned, but must be court-authorized. 'At-will' paternity testing is disallowed. This policy is called 'keep the peace'.

In a paternity dispute, you would request the court to order a paternity test. If your wife had a child, and you doubted paternity, you would need to engage in litigation with her so you could request a court order re paternity test, following whatever timelines or requirements as needed under French law.

Thus, this policy encourages litigation.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ok I stand corrected then.

But one still needs to be careful--I have been researching paternity fraud case law and in states like California if paternity is not successfully contested within 120 days (I think) the man has no more recourse--even in cases where the woman has been proven to have lied and even when the man has unwittingly paid child support in the past.

No woman has ever been prosecuted for making false assertions in government forms who the father is---so there is no consequence to them giving it a shot.

[–]e4tshit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

so there is no consequence to them giving it a shot

the issue in a nutshell. Other peoples lives are on the line because she can't keep her gap closed. Animals acting out of pure emotion but I'm a POS for not respecting them.

[–]caleyjag points points [recovered] | Copy

I've never heard of that. I was seriously considering living in France at some point. What is the logic behind 'keep the peace'? To be honest my mind is kinda blown over here!

[–]WhorehouseVet7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep the peace so women will vote for the politicians who back the bill.

[–]winterwheels211 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is socially acceptable to have lovers. Thus you don't want DNA tests clogging the courts when everyone is fucking everyone.

[–]LokdBreech11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

In France, bombing things is "banned". In the U.S. smoking dope is "banned" in many places. In politics taking bribes is "banned".

And as we all know, none of these banned activities ever takes place.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

What I mean by "banned" is that DNA testing for court paternal cases is non-admissible. So I am not sure what you mean.

[–]wanderer779-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah how hard is it to get a dna test? I mean worst case you just fly to the states and buy one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

With a half decent lawyer it would probably be no problem getting out of that. Just show your medical records and make clear you got the vasectomy because you never wanted to have children, which should already rule you out as the "best father", and make clear you will not raise the kid or pay child support ever.

[–]yummyluckycharms6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

And now you know why the matriarchy bans paternity tests and will do everything in its power to stop male contraception. Such things can only bring a net benefit to society - but threatens the choke hold of power that women have in society.

[–]singeblanc-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I mean... condoms are 98% effective?

[–]lettheflamedie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not with holes poked in them.

[–]yummyluckycharms0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The issue is what is the harm of having more contraception choices? None. So why are people trying to stop male reproductive rights?

[–]ChummyChad5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hate that she said it with such fucking confidence

[–]beginner_5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

As long as you are not married, deny it. She then must demand a paternity test by via court. Then you will know for sure. So you cant get cucked unless you marry.

Btw don't marry.ever.

[–]orr250mph5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Plot twist - OP didn't get snipped but trolled her into trolling another guy.

[–]AmatureProgrammer3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Holly Shit man. Stuff like this is the reason why I'm considering getting snipped in the future.

[–]ArkAngelEV46 points47 points  (14 children) | Copy

Lost opportunity to slow play the fuck out of her. You got too excited on the pre flop and threw down your double deuces; be calm next time

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (5 children) | Copy

do you know why you dont wrestle with a pig?

Simple, you get dirty and the pig likes it.

He did what we man do. Tell it straight away and be done with it asap. We value our time and dont want to waste it with unnecessary drama.

In an ideal world, he could have sued her for willful deception but sadly we all know how this will turn out in this world.

He did right. He has nothing to gain from a prolonged exposure.

[–]ArkAngelEV1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

There's no black and white; there are just levels of thinking and direct and obvious was very level 1 type thinking. He revealed his trump card, woohoo.

He could've really spun a web/extract resources/ a certain outcome had he been really machiavellian. Maybe you're right though... lately I've just amusing myself w manipulation. How much/how far can i take things. How much/what can I get with minimal effort?

I think i'm finally crossing into level 2 type acting. Plating seems so low acting; it's too straight forward. The real charm is seeing a future scenario and trying to move pieces to recreate what you've already seen. Does that make sense?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

I heard once that a trained woman (professional Bodybuilder) still loses in arm wrestling against an average man. I dont know if that is true but I dont have a hard time believing it. It sounds plausible.

Physical strength is the dominance of men. We are stronger there is no doubt about it.

The same is true however when it comes to manipulation. Women are far superior to men when it comes to manipulation. Manipulation of Humans that is (thats important).

Just think about it. What are the toys boys play with and what girls play with. Boys play with Cars, Planes, Weapons, Tanks, Construction Machines and the like, while girls play with dolls. That should give you a hint. We are great at manipulating our Environment and women are equally great at manipulating other Humans. Thats their greatest strength, that one would underestimate at ones own peril.

We are Masters of Warfare. One rule of Warfare says "Never fight the Enemy on its own grounds". Never ever think you can outsmart a woman when it comes to manipulation of humans.

[–]thebluepool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your first point has alot of evidence to back it up, not that we need it but women like to ignore it because it runs counter to their narrative. Just look up what happened when the Williams sisters proclaimed that they could beat any male tennis player ranked 200 or below. Shows exactly what happens when women let their delusions shape their reality.

[–]1EarthExile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think OP's winning move was to avoid and bypass bullshit games, no reason to get into that. There are pleasant things you could be doing instead.

[–]trpiece34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like a good way to get a rape accusation sent your way.

[–]1empatheticapathetic10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah OP doesn't have time to mess around with shit like this.

[–]slay_it_forward2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Was thinking the same. Should of held it back and then thought of ways to expose her publicly for the slut she is.

[–]Peter_B_Long15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why even waste another second of your life on a woman like that. Why even want to stick your dick into a woman like that. I can see why OP would ask 'so who else are you fucking?' but when I read that part I was thinking, 'why even ask'?

I would've said, "I got a vasectomy, so it's impossible that I am the father, but good luck to you" and showed her the door. But OP handled this perfectly still.

[–]could-of-bot13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's either should HAVE or should'VE, but never should OF.

See Grammar Errors for more information.

[–]WhorehouseVet2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Could have invited the woman's parents and friends out for dinner to celebrate the new baby, and then hire a band to sing that the man already has a vasectomy. The icing on the top is a notarized copy of his vasectomy procedure handed to the parents as he leaves.

[–]ArkAngelEV0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They are ALL sluts. Too little gain in outting the clumsy ones. That's beyond beta, entering omega territory. Once you get out of the mindset of enjoying putting people on blast, you'll see the dopamine hit and the small social gain is nothing. You're righteousness, means nothing.

[–]Mangoinhand points points [recovered] | Copy

Should have played along for at least 3 months. That way you know she will carry the pregnancy to term and then see the look on her face when you tell her about your vasectomy.

[–]NothingIsPermanent6474 points75 points  (4 children) | Copy

3 months later, the law be like

Law: Yeaaaaaah even though you had a vasectomy 6 months before the mother was pregnant, you still have to pay child support.

OP: What? Why?

Law: Becaaaaaaaause, you sort of accepted that the child was yours when she implied you're the father and you didn't tell her that you had a vasectomy therefore the child is yours and you have to pay.

OP: ...

Law: ...

OP: What if I move to Saudi Arabia?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've gotten fucked by parking tickets because of those exact type of assumptions. Law: well, since you didn't let us know earlier, we're going to go ahead and still issue these tickets. Me: but I have a parking pass wtf is wrong with you people. Law: yaaaa, no.

[–]ASN5 points points [recovered] | Copy

OP: What if I move to Saudi Arabia?

Honor killings for adultery?

[–]NothingIsPermanent647 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Saudi Arabia: It iz okay, habibiti pats OP, we do za understand. Marriage in za West is stubid, but we will have to do za killing of you but if you have any young white women in your family that want to marry my son named Abdul Aswald Bin Abu Bakr Sufyaan Syed Muhammad Ahad, we will not do za killing.

Give us your sister.

[–]thetotalpackage76 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

As if, disgustingly enough, abortions were illegal at 4-5 months. They're not. Many states have no fetal age restriction.

[–]singeblanc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Simply untrue:

https://saynsumthn.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/cdn-media-nationaljournal-com.jpg

8 out of 50 have no limit, most others have limits based on medical danger of continuing the pregnancy.

[–]thetotalpackage70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's untrue? I said "many" have no restrictions. Same as your data suggests.

[–]e4tshit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to say it, glad you did. When you consider how much she was trying to fuck him over and fuck up his life it only seems fare that you return the favor. Play along with her lie for 6 months when it's way too late to abort and find another provider then drop the hammer. Freely admit it was out of pure spite then 360 and walk away. But there I go again being revenge based. I understand moral high ground but that justice boner tho.

[–]psirico123 points points [recovered] | Copy

So, then you would let a child be raised by a mentally unstable single-mom?

That's a terrible idea.

[–]thewalex6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I feel like her kid would be the real victim here. Raised by a manipulative, narcissistic single mother. If she can terminate the pregnancy early, it would probably what's best for society.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Extremely dumb if you do this.

[–]MuscleMaturity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Was gonna write this. She would soooo deserve it

[–]moneybags332 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, it is pretty frightening. A long time friend of mine who happened to join a sorority at my university let me look at a couple of her group messages a few times. That, along with some of the other things she has shared with me, has made it extremely difficult for me to even attempt to get into a relationship at this stage in my life. The only ways to be able to win these kinds of long-term battles, that I've witnessed, are by keeping her jealous by surrounding yourself with different female acquaintances so she feels like she has to compete, and keeping her interaction with other men to an ABSOLUTE minimum(pretty much impossible). I am shocked by the amount of guys who let their girlfriends go out to frat parties because they want them to "have fun." I even saw a tweet about this kind of situation recently saying "RELATIONSHIP GOALS," and all these whores retweeted the fuck outa that shit!

[–]NakedAndBehindYou4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

How to avoid cucking and disincentivize cheating: tell your gf (or plate) sometime early in the relationship that if she ever gets pregnant, you are 100% having a DNA test done. Just tell her matter of factly "too many women cheat, I will never have kids with any woman without a DNA test."

She will of course pull out shit tests like "well that means you don't trust/love me" but if you hold frame she will ultimately respect you more for knowing how women manipulate men and for not being willing to be a cuck. Or maybe she'll be a super bitch about it, at which point you can dump her and find someone else that isn't going to cuck you.

[–]LordThunderbolt2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

All he had to do was not sign any birth certificates until patterns tests are done. He would've been saving money for the potential child who would be proven not to be his, which would leave him with more money in the bank in the end.

[–]neo_stythys points points [recovered] | Copy

do you realize that in many states neither the father nor mother have to fill out a certificate of live birth? the hospital does it for them.

"Who's the father, again?", the nurse asked...

[–]LordThunderbolt1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Don't show up at the hospital

[–]neo_stythys points points [recovered] | Copy

the point here is that they ask the person who just have birth what names go on the certificate. you do not have to physically be there. you do not have to have a father sign a birth certificate for it to be valid.

[–]LordThunderbolt1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's kind of silly, considering a girl could just name Brad Pitt and be done with it. Either way if they put your name down and you weren't there you can dispute it with the patternity test.

[–]OilyB2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women in some emotional relationship with you, having emotions? Be it big emotions, small emotions or moods (in this case urgency and seriousness).......

NEVER believe them at first sight. NEVER.

90% is temporary, opportunity based or just plain wrong.

[–]Neoshining2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is exactly how I got got, only it was 1988 and I was 16. 20 yrs later I find out the truth. Good for you, dodging that bullet.

[–]TheBiss5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seems to me like a vasectomy would be a good idea for any true blue (hah) Red Pillers. I went and got one, and yes, it's knocked me out of the running with some women whose uteri done be achin' for a child, but more often than not, it's considered a value-add by a plate.

[–]nonouiswrong16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Psst. It works better if you dont make public. OPs story wouldn't have worked if people knew- why do the women even know?

[–]JstTrstMe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If you hadn't had the vasectomy I would have taken her word for it."

You are an idiot

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

now imagine the mental degradation of official politicians who pass laws that forbids us (men) to make paternity tests.

They are literally saying "fuck you" in our faces. We are resources, "human material" as a certain dictator once said. They dont give a shit if we raise somebody elses kid (who only gets benefits by the way...he passes on his genes and does not have to pay a cent or put up with the bitch or her bastard afterwards).

All they care about is to put the responsibility and efforts of someone elses mistake on the shoulders of someone that is innocent.

Whenever I see a man bragging about how he "fucked this and that bitch", I just chuckle and think to myself "you are the one being fucked my friend, you just dont realize it yet".

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dont respect politicians. They are snakes.

[–]getintheVans1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why would you be mad if she's been with another guy? You said in the post you weren't exclusive

[–]natec961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly lately, have given up on my previous mindset that women are good and generally men are the "bad guys". Started to realize how manipulative women can be in the case that I was manipulated to see it that way till now that I'm growing up I can see the truth, women are pretty self focused and do what they want and cue waterworks whenever shit doesn't go their way.

I would say it wouldn't hurt for most guys in doubt to pull a "im sterile" card if accused and if the women did something as this one did she will admit, if not then "oh it's a miracle/1 in a million chance" Might be worth it

[–]Grizzly_treats1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she's just one of your plates why do you care who else she's fucking. She's pregnant, you had a vasectomy, it's not yours, show her the door.

[–]Baconbitsthrowaway1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hope that plate brings that dude on Maury so he can find out he got a plate JR

[–]nevezen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Heh, a vasectomy story is always midly amusing. I remember reading about this on craigslist once though.

[–]phoenixx771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You show record this and seek legal action and make sure it enters the official stats. Also spread it around and show the world what a disgusting whore she is for trying to screw you over

[–]Judirek points points [recovered] | Copy

Serious question: Let's say you got a vasectomy and you want a kid (surrogacy) is it possible to get that magic bullet from your testicles and fertilize?

Cause let's say, one day vasectomy men want to see their boys one day.

[–]AchillesHeel771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Low probability, men shoot blanks after the procedure. Most men that get vasectomies typically store their sperm at a bank first

[–]unohana_11 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

all i can say is that both you guys are fucking idiots, this girl is manipulative and has no control over her emotions, so you have a right to be mad over her in that regard, but if shes a plate and you're not in a relationship, why do you think shes wrong for sleeping with other men, it doesn't make any sense.

[–]AchillesHeel771 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Remember OP said this wasn't HIS story lol.

[–]unohana_10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

oh right haha now I'm the idiot, but either way people like this belong together, how can this girl just say with such confidence "its yours", she should have been honest and simply said theres a chance it could be yours cause im also having sex with other guys, i mean theyre not in a relationship, if i were this guy i presume that shes also having sex with other guys if were not exclusive and thats not something to throw a tantrum about

[–]AchillesHeel770 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My money is on the fact that the real biological father is probably some kind of Alpha but with a shit job and the "it's yours" guy is the beta bucks. She was merely looking for support, value at that point.

[–]unohana_10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Humans are fucking retards

[–]clint_bronson1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

From now on, and even though i don't plan on getting a vasectomy, i plan to tell any woman who happens to tell me she's pregnant with my baby that i had one, just to see what comes out of her pretty mouth next.

[–]alexclarkbarry1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Found a great clip from one of those paternity test shows, title of the video is "MOST HORRIBLE WOMAN EVER", nailed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1U-YGA7R_M basically the bitch goes on national tv and gets this guy dragged through the dirt for "not being a good enough dad" and then a few months later she "remembered" that she was banging somebody else and what do you know, turns out he is not the father.

[–]TRPmc1171 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why were you furious that she's sleeping with other partners if she's just a plate?

[–]casemodsalt4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kill a bitch before giving her your check. Tell her that too.

[–]softlikedrake2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

A woman can't cuck you if she never had you in the first place. I'm tired of the "she's not yours it's only your turn" bullshit. I'm not her's and it's only her time to ride. Bitches can hop in line. You are the prize, but don't be a trophy for her egotistical bullshit

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Listen to this guy. This is exactly the mentality you need to have. If you put yourself in a passive or dependable position regarding women you will be taken advantage off. You need to make yourself uncuckable.

[–]abstractplebbit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He only thing you did wrong was not taking her for a little bit of a ride to by going along with it for a couple months and then embarrassing her in front of the maximum number of people before the baby is ever born

[–]SouloftheVoid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Played like a boss! This is a good example of how a man should live.

[–]Five_Decades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you earn a good income? This sounds like something women do to bb.

[–]DM1120900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Glad you caught this. Happy travels - right one is out there, and even if she isn't, you don't need her.

[–]Fryguy480 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good job on not getting caught in that shit. However, keep in mind, if you're mad she is banging them other dudes, she isn't a plate then.

[–]coolasice0070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

wait if she's a plate why was he mad about other guys shes fucking and why is she crying and telling him he's the only one she loves...huh? seems like this was really a gf

[–]trp_ocd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is a top post with this same theme. He ends up cutting her loose with his sperm results in his back pocket...

[–]beginner_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess saying you got s vasectomy is always the go to choice even if untrue. Depending on her reaction you will know a lot more.

[–]moontripper12460 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Whoa dude.....makes me want to get snipped

[–]NotNormal20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

wiman have the need, the need for seed.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Walgreens sells saliva-based paternity tests. No man needs to doubt the legitimacy of his children.

https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/identigene-dna-paternity-test-kit/ID=prod6279222-product?ext=gooPLA_-_Sexual_Wellness_Mobile&pla&adtype=pla&kpid=sku6236509&sst=18a0fb4a-063a-4467-a4ce-c5b517131730

[–]whocaresguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

whats the thoughts on vasectomies? store my sperm in a sperm bank?

seems to be the best bet to do things on my terms.

condoms suck and i cant trust women make me a mess lol

[–]worldtravelerr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why not mandatory genetic testing at birth for all children? Because the government is only worried that someone else pays child support, its not their problem if you are the real dad. If you're married, your legally on the hook. This would open up a Pandora's box of children needing the state to support them instead, so they won't volunteer to do this in the best interest of the disposable male. Another logical solution shot down by government financial interests over fairness.

[–]NMF_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I really think this happens a lot more than people realize. I honestly think there's are thousands of people who think their dad is someone when it's really someone else.

Now that I'm getting older I see women do this kind of shit all of the time

[–]Jollarn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is why I've been upfront with every girl I've dated: if our relationship ever becomes so serious that we have kids, know that I won't pay a dime for any kid that hasn't been DNA-tested. I won't compromise on only raising my own offspring and I won't take no chances.

This is a good way of preventing any cucking.

[–]Taguroizumo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Scary stuff, cunt move by the woman's part

[–]1jb_trp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, good thing it's "her body, her choice." BTFO!

[–]justgotalpha0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never take a women at face value..its dangerous

[–]ecosci0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Selfish cunt never trust em.

[–]e4tshit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

At the risk of sounding like a pussy, the idea of getting a vasectomy makes me queasy. The idea of my sack being sliced is sickening. However, the idea of being tricked in this way is slightly more sickening so I know what I gotta do. Four months ago a friend of mine got one and we had lunch after "they don't let you drive for a few hours so I was his cab". He said they gave him pills for anxiety to take the day of if he needed it. I'm going to need the pills.

[–]Mr_Talent0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Something doesn't add up... dude doesn't say since when he is fucking this girl, but I would assume at least a month. Now, during the multiple times they fucked, she never noticed he was shooting blanks? She never blew him till the end? She never asked to be covered on his stuff... Hummm...

[–]Kingspot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol way i see it is a missed opportunity.

If you try to do me wrong, or actually manage to, im a vindictive, spiteful, vengeful mother fucker. Im not getting a vasectomy because I definitely want kids one day, but if a situation like this ever fell in my lap, I would draw this shit out for weeeeks...maybe months...

try to trap me with some kid that isnt mine. the ultimate play. i might hold out until u actually start to show, just to ruin your chances of putting that shit on someone else. Id get real creative. Then id document the whole fucking thing and get a top 25 post of all time on both RedPill and pussypassdenied lol.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is one of the things that slowly dawned on me. After having maximized my SMV and having near flawless game with a girl I still have this nagging feeling i'm being cucked sometimes. Like her not being as sexually open with me or something. Here's the thing, when it comes to looks and physicality I'm pretty much above average in every department. The only things i'm not is 1. older and 2. some different race or 3. a freak of nature sized man.

I'm starting to believe that women cuck men mostly out of circumstance and randomness if they aren't given concrete reasons to pick one above the other. This girl I've been dating and fucking basically never responded or initiated sexual or heavy flirtatious talk outside of the bedroom. Not at all on the phone or messages. She'd sometimes hint at a flirt and then basically not respond to my follow up reply, instead opting for some other conversation topic.

Now here's the thing, I fucked her already. And after that when my gut told me something wasn't right I quit being receptive to her shit. Been ignoring her for half a day and multiple days weekly. I just don't get it, she double texts me constantly when I do this. She asks me questions like an obsessed girl and behaves like someone who's interested. But she never gets sexual unless we are meeting up and that's rarely since I'm busy.

And comparable situations have happened where a girl was clearly interested and even bordering on obsessed with me. But never followed me down the sexual road in a way that I've had with others. I know because I also meet girls from sex dating sites and they are as easy as they go. But they never have any real conversations with me.

It's as if girls compartmentalize this crap.

[–]OneInAZillion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If this were me, I'd have dragged it out as long as possible, and then right when she thinks she's gotten what she wanted from me, that I'd be her betabux for 'my' child, I'd drop the bombshell.

You really have to remember to have the most fun possible with these little RP moments.

[–]hardfork0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This dude is furious that one of his "plates" is fucking some other guy behind his back? I'm not defending the girl, but if he's just using her he shouldn't be surprised if he's being played either.

[–]telenoobies-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

u shoulda played along, and reveal ur cards after she gives birth LOL. that be one fucking hell of a field report.

[–]skuba86-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's unlikely, but sometimes vasectomies don't always work. I would check your sperm count just to be sure.

[–]looc221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd imagine the dude OP is copy pasting here did get a sperm check done- they typically do it after 3 months.

[–]JohnnyCocktails93-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Question: If you have reason to believe your woman is cheating, are there any implications of lying and saying you got a vasectomy just to sniff her out?

[–]tableman5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

She will know you don't trust her and if she wasn't cheating on you she will never trust you again.

[–]chaosmech-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah but what are the odds that she's not cheating on you?

I'm pretty sure odds of woman lying >>>>> odds of vasectomy failing

[–]tableman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not all women cheat.

The point of the red pill is to help you identify worthless/damaged women so you can find a good partner.

The redpill also helps you be "the man" of the family and not a beta cuck.

The reason women cheat is because something is missing from the relationship. Using the redpill you can control for these variables.

[–]JohnnyCocktails93-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps play it off as a joke if she wasn't cheating?

Example Scenario:

Her: I'm pregnant, it's yours.

Me: Really? Because I got a vasectomy. So who else have you been fucking?

Her: What...that's impossible. You're the only person I've had sex with, I don't understand...

Me: I'm just messing with you. That's exciting though!

Or something along those lines...the main idea is you really have to read her reaction when you drop the vasectomy line. If she is legitimately shocked, then she's probably not cheating. But if the waterworks come pretty quickly, I think that would be a pretty telling sign of infidelity.

I feel like if the relationship power dynamic is in your favor, she'll forgive you anyway even if she doesn't wholly buy your sick attempt at a joke. But I can't say for sure since I've never had a pregnancy scare.

I was referring to more of legal implications, if any.

[–]aanarchist-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

don't put your dick into crazy, rule 1. even as a red pill you can get screwed if you choose to think with your dick instead of with your brain. was the pussy really worth potentially losing your future over? bet your ass one of these days a bitch can get pregnant and despite having a vasectomy, because she's decided you're the father the government will force you to take care of it regardless.

[–]gistaminute-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I coulda been there. Old friend from HS met up for the first time in a while in my new luxury apt. She wants to go to the grocery store to get a pregnancy test. Goes to my bathroom, takes it. Some guy blah blah, similar story. Then we hang out all afternoon as we'd planned. I coulda banged but I 'valued the friendship' and was also a little RP and know she's good as a friend and too crazy to stick it in. Coulda been fooled though, could just be paranoid of course (hopefully!). She's still on CC but I'm way out of the league of 80% of people I knew in that time anymore including her, so she might've been taking a gamble. And I'm just opening my super fun ride so I don't have time for spawn. Pull out to come, even with a condom.

[–]simpasaurusrex-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Would it be unethical to wait to tell her it wasn't your so she has to have the kid?

[–]lukky_pierre-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm talking about the original only meaning of the term "cuckold"

Only twats use it any other way.

[–]DefinitelyIncorrect-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yea people making their own independent decisions about their own lives.... Fucking terrifying... What a world where you can't even be certain of your own made up gender rules, with no basis in reality, holding true no mater what.

The level of insecurity you all must have to say this is how things should be. Lol!

Deluded morons... She won't leave me as long as I'm a hard ass "alpha"... Literally the dumbest shit ever. It's like you're all applying episodes of Wild America to your relationships. You all wanna act like animals and then get all surprised when others do to you. It's called learned behavior. You get what you give. Total insanity.

[–]ginger_whiskers2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Username checks out? I honestly can't tell which points you're arguing for or against.

[–]DefinitelyIncorrect-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's just how fucked the mentality is here. Logic doesn't make sense anymore cause of the echo chamber.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

LMAO i will never understand why would you do vasectomy? I understand The red pill spirit but this is getting it on a new whole level..

it reminds me of an experiment made on rats, which are similar to us on a lot of aspects...Mouse utopia experiment... search it on youtube...

it basically showed rats fighting each other till death, but the elites the smart one's wouldnt deal with any of them, they would stay appart, healthy beautiful but dont even engage on any sexual intercourse...they would just die like that...

If that is what you guys aim for, good for you...but dont think your smart by doing so...

[–]Pozac1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Vasectomy is just preventing semen from exiting through the tip of the penis. It does not change hormone levels or anything else.

Maybe you are confusing it with castration



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